Debates of June 21st, 1995

This is page numbers 1471 - 1524 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was ---agreed .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

1950s North Baffin Bombing Incident Investigations

National Aboriginal Solidarity Day

4th Annual Pokiak River Music Festival

Failures Of Affirmative Action Policy

Ndilo Education Concerns

Appreciation For Support During Tenure As Mla

Importance Of Small Business

Appointment Of Mr. Dan Marion, Deputy Commissioner

Lack Of Dall Sheep Quota In Mackenzie Mountains

Public Consensus On Bill C-68

Appreciation For Support During Tenure As MLA And Minister

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Date Employees Hired To Replace Dismissed Bird Dog Officers

Criteria For Acquiring NWT Birth Certificate

Dall Sheep Survey In Nahendeh

Status Of Mine Safety Regulations

Reasons For Laying Off Air Operations Manager

Allocation Of Community Freezer For Arctic Bay

Decision To Eliminate Air Operations Manager

Maca Tracking System For Concerns Raised By Public

Commitment To Assist Laid-off Bird Dog Officers Find Employment

Conclusion Of Safety Investigation Of Bird Dog Officers

Return To Written Question 35-12(7): Revenue Raised By The Government Of The Northwest Territories Fire Management Program Through The Mars Agreement

Item 9: Replies To Opening Address

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 34: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1995-96

To Amend

Schedule Of Bill 34

Committee Report 11-12(7): Report On The Review Of Bill 25 -the Education ActBill 25: Education Act

To Defer Consideration Of Clause 61 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 68 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 69 Of Bill 25

To Defer Consideration Of Clause 71 Of Bill 25

To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25

To Defer Consideration Of Clause 79 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 84 Of Bill 25

To Defer Consideration Of Clause 100 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 103 Of Bill 25

To Defer Consideration Of Clause 117 Of Bill 25

To Defer Consideration Of Clause 118 Of Bill 25

To Defer Consideration Of Clause 126 Of Bill 25

To Defer Consideration Of Clause 136 Of Bill 25

To Defer Consideration Of Clause 151 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 154 Of Bill, 25

To Amend Clause 155 Of Bill 25

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mrs. Thompson , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Koe . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Ms. Cournoyea .

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Minister's Statement 106-12(7): 1950s North Baffin Bombing Incident Investigations

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I wish to update Members on the government's investigations into concerns raised by Mr. Pudluk and Mr. Allooloo about alleged bombing incidents that occurred in the High Arctic during the 1950s. This update will outline the nature of the incidents and address Members' concerns about the relationship between these incidents and illnesses among North Baffin Inuit during this period.

During the past year, the government has conducted extensive investigations, including written and oral communications, including senior federal government officials involved with the issue during the 1950s and Inuit, or the relatives of Inuit, who witnessed or experienced the alleged bombings.

Mr. Speaker, individuals from the federal Department of National Defence and the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development have confirmed that military exercises, involving low-level "thunderflash bombing runs" were conducted by the United States Air Force near the Admiralty Inlet region of Baffin Island. These exercises only occurred in this area during the winter of 1955-56.

According to federal officials, these low-level exercises involved dropping magnesium flares by parachute to light up the earth for purposes of photographing targets. Military sources say that the exercises involved no explosions, concussions or shocks. Inuit who witnessed and experienced the exercises said the opposite.

Prior to the thunderflash testing over the Baffin, the United States Armed Forces received the necessary approval from Canadian authorities to conduct exercises in the Admiralty Inlet area.

From the evidence gathered by the government, it is apparent that neither Canada nor the United States were aware of Inuit camping in this area. It is also apparent from the government's interviews with Inuit hunters and/or their relatives that neither the families camped in the Admiralty Inlet area, nor Hudson Bay officials at Arctic Bay, wore given any advance notice that the tests would be conducted. As a consequence, Inuit camped in the Admiralty Inlet area were naturally terrified by the thunderflash bomb tests.

After being advised that Inuit were camping in the Admiralty Inlet area, military authorities relocated the testing to an unoccupied region of the High Arctic.

Mr. Speaker, the government's investigation, including a review of relevant medical records, has provided no evidence of injury or illness that could be directly linked to the thunderflash tests.

I should also note that during the course of the GNWT's investigation, evidence concerning unrelated biological warfare tests in different regions of the United States, including Minnesota and Alaska, as well as Canadian tests in Manitoba, were examined.

Although the United States Armed Forces has admitted to biological testing in these areas, there is no evidence indicating that the thunderflash exercises in the North Baffin region involved biological agents.

Mr. Speaker, I noted earlier in my remarks that Inuit who witnessed or experienced the thunderflash exercises have different memories of their impact, which may mean that other types of testing took place in the Admiralty Inlet area. The government will continue its investigations to determine if there is any proof to this statement.

In conclusion, the nature and conduct of this type of military activity is as unacceptable now as it was at the time the tests were conducted.

In the 1990s, while we still have to encourage the Department of National Defence to provide NWT residents with plans for military activities, procedures are now in place to ensure that these activities are no longer conducted without proper consultation with the government and communities.

Finally, the government has made representations to federal committees on national defence and foreign affairs to ensure that the views of NWT residents are part of the public record in establishing new federal defence policies.

Our success in having cruise missile testing stopped is a case in point. Thank you.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 106-12(7): 1950s North Baffin Bombing Incident Investigations

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Koe .

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National Aboriginal Solidarity Day

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, giikhii. Today is June 21st, the longest day of the day of the year, and the day celebrated since 1982 as National Aboriginal Solidarity Day. Solidarity means unity based on a common interest.

Mr. Speaker, I'm pleased to see a growing solidarity among aboriginal leaders in the western Northwest Territories. The leaders of nine aboriginal political organizations met as an aboriginal summit two weeks ago in Yellowknife. The groups involved were the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation, Gwich'in Tribal Council, Sahtu Secretariat Incorporated, Deh Cho First Nations, Dogrib Treaty 11 Tribal Council, Treaty 8 Tribal Council, the South Slave Metis Tribal Council, Dene Nation and the Metis Nation of the Northwest Territories.

They had hoped to appear before us in committee of the whole to discuss their positions. Some of them oven hoped such a meeting might lead to a real partnership with the Assembly. That will not happen within the life of this Assembly. The leaders of the nine organizations have asked me to state on their behalf, their common positions.

1. an inherent right of self-government. To reach an agreement on the implementation of the inherent right must be a priority for all governments.

Mr. Speaker, the leaders have a legitimate demand that progress on public government in the western Northwest Territories must be matched by progress in a separate process leading to the implementation of the inherent right. We have come a long way in recognizing the inherent right. The leaders are asking us to help them keep self-government near the top of the federal agenda.

2. impact on the implementation of division of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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National Aboriginal Solidarity Day

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Inuvik is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Koe .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi cho. All aboriginal peoples in the western Northwest Territories should have more meaningful participation in the process leading to division.

Mr. Speaker, I note that the aboriginal leaders sought and obtained support from the executive of the Northwest Territories Association of Municipalities on this position. They had asked if the municipalities also wanted representation on their committee and received the assurance that this was not necessary.

I will also note that this statement should not be taken to mean the Deh Cho First Nations or the Treaty 8 Tribal Council are now willing to join in on the Constitutional Development Steering Committee process as anything other than observers. The Deh Cho and Treaty 8 are pursuing a different direction in the development and implementation of governments in their territorial areas. These groups do, however, wish to protect their legitimate interest in such areas as division of the Government of the Northwest Territories assets and liabilities.

Mr. Speaker, different aboriginal peoples have somewhat different interests, as well as different histories and positions before the law. None of the nine groups want the Government of the Northwest Territories to have third-party status. They believe it is wrong to insist that all should have the same position on this issue before our government revisits the matter. A bannock-cutter approach to self-government will never work.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, the nine leaders believe that we would support their positions if we took the time to hear them out. They look forward to the establishment of a mechanism for ongoing formal consultation with the Legislative Assembly on these and other issues. Perhaps the next Legislative Assembly will demonstrate more solidarity with the western aboriginal leaders and the people they represent. Mahsi cho. The inherent right will have a significant and lasting ---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Koe . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Nerysoo .

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4th Annual Pokiak River Music Festival

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wanted to have an opportunity today, through you and this forum, to advise people of the Northwest Territories of an annual event that occurs in Aklavik; at least, for the past four years. This, Mr. Speaker, is the year of the 4th Annual Pokiak River Music Festival. It will occur from June 23rd to 26th. This event is intended to bring together musical talents of people from the Mackenzie Delta/Beaufort region; it's intended to bring together musical talents from throughout the Northwest Territories, from the Yukon and even other parts of Canada.

I wanted to advise the people of the north and certainly Members of this Assembly, that all people are invited and encouraged to attend. The intention is that it's a time to reflect upon the good days and to create joy among people. This event, Mr. Speaker, is an event that is drug and alcohol-free, and is intended to make people aware of the importance of festivities; particularly when it brings together people and families.

This year's event, Mr. Speaker, is entitled "A Tribute to our People, Past and Present," and it is intended to honour their contribution and their guidance to the development of the community of Aklavik and the Mackenzie Delta. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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4th Annual Pokiak River Music Festival

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Nerysoo . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .

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Failures Of Affirmative Action Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories first introduced affirmative action as the native employment policy in 1985. This policy was meant to address the lack of aboriginal representation in the public services of the Northwest Territories.

In 1989, the affirmative action policy was introduced to replace the native, employment policy. This new policy included provisions for disabled northerners, women and indigenous non-aboriginals who had lived in the north for more than half of their lives or wore born here.

In 1985, the public service had about 30 per cent aboriginal employees. By 1989, however, the native employment policy had brought this figure to just over 32 per cent. This was still far short of the percentage of northerners who are of aboriginal descent; 61 per cent, according to the 1991 census. So, many northerners had high hopes for the affirmative action program.

Well, in 1994, five years later, there had been an increase in percentage of aboriginal employees in the public services from 32 per cent all the way up to 35. This was not the kind of spectacular increase that would be necessary to obtain the goals set by the developers of this policy. Meanwhile, we are losing many of our best and brightest non-native university students who grew up in the north and hoped to return, but who have instead decided to stay in the south.

They can't find summer jobs here while they are at school, and they are very pessimistic about their chances of finding permanent employment with the government. Unless they have job prospects in the private sector, they will not return.

The affirmative action policy has also been a trigger for racial tension. These are tensions which I had not seen before the introduction of this policy. But now well-qualified, non-native northerners find it easy to become resentful when they cannot find jobs while less-qualified aboriginal candidates can. While there are many skilled and qualified aboriginal northerners who deserve employment with the government, it is very unfortunate that the existing policy has the effect of turning away the many skilled and qualified non-aboriginal northerners who have as much of a desire to contribute to their home as anyone else.

I seek consent to continue.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Whitford .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I'm glad to see the government has established an affirmative action policy review task force group. This policy is obviously in desperate need of revision. I remember high and lofty promises that affirmative action would lead to a government workforce that was 52 per cent aboriginal by the year 1990.

Well, here it is five years later and we are still nowhere near that goal, and, in the meantime, we have lost many who could, and who want to, contribute to the north.

The goal of having a public service whose make-up reflects that of the entire population of the north is a valuable one, but this policy has not brought us much closer to that goal. In fact, I dare say that the negative effects of this policy have outweighed as benefits.

As this Assembly draws to the close of its mandate, I regret that we will not be able to change things for the better right now, but it is my sincere hope that the task group reviewing this policy will have developed effective and useful recommendations for the next Assembly. I don't know whether this policy should be improved or can be improved, replaced or even scrapped in favour of an increased focus on education. I do know that it is not working now and it needs to change. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Whitford . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ballantyne .

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Ndilo Education Concerns

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to speak about the community of Ndilo in my constituency. It's been more than a decade and a hall now that I have had the privilege of working with the people of Ndilo and the Yellowknives Dene Band. When I started, Chief Isidore Tsetta was the chief of the Yellowknives Band and Eddie Lacome was the subchief for what was then called Rainbow Valley. When I came on to the scene, there was a major jurisdictional problem and everything had stopped in Ndilo.

The federal government said it was a territorial responsibility; the municipal government said it was a federal government responsibility and nothing was happening. The people then were real victims of bureaucratic in-lighting.

From that time, I and many of us have always treated Ndilo as its own community. Many times over the last decade and a half we have tried ways to formalize its status as its own community, but there have been so many barriers. But anyhow, the government and the Legislative Assembly were good enough to include Ndilo in the five-year plan and, for all intents and purposes for the last decade, Ndilo has been treated fairly with h other communities in the Northwest Territories. The issue of education has always been a very important issue in Ndilo.

I remember that we started off, probably nine or 10 years ago, with a very successful upgrading program. Everybody remembers Florence Erasmus, the Tree of Peace and their kindergarten program in Ndilo which was a mainstay of the community for many years. In the last couple of years, there has been a very successful after-school care program.

The people of Ndilo, for many years, have been frustrated With the lack of success of their students in the education system here in Yellowknife. They have really thought that because they are a community, they should have more community control over the system. I want to thank the Minister. There have been a number of discussions with the Minister and the issue has come up again around the Education Act.

Mr. Speaker, the band is looking at getting support for the head start program, a pre-school care program in Ndilo, this fall. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

They've made a presentation to the Minister to start work on a school in Ndilo, starting off kindergarten to grade 3 but over a period of time having kindergarten to grade 8. The Minister has been open; there's been a lot of support from the Catholic school board, and I think there is a lot of possibility.

I think it's very important for the people of Ndilo. They feel that if they can run the school down there, they can get the parents involved in the school, they can bring the support mechanism to get the kids to school and make sure the kids are successful.

Their intention, ultimately, is to have these successful kids come out of grade 8 and enter the Catholic high school in Yellowknife and go on to whatever career choices they may want to make.

At some point, they are looking at belonging to a Treaty 8 education division, and I know again that the Minister is open and flexible about how, over a period of time, these aspirations can be met.

The people of Ndilo have always felt, just because of the status of their community, that they've been isolated from Dettah, which has a different status. So we are looking at ways that the education programs between the two communities can work more closely together.

So, during the course of the next couple of days, as we discuss the Education Act, there are other meetings happening with the Minister. The Minister has indicated to me and to other MLAs that he's open to finding a solution to allow the people of Ndilo to take more control over the education of their am looking forward to a successful conclusion of those discussions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ballantyne . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudlat .

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Appreciation For Support During Tenure As Mla

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am standing up today to thank some people. I don't usually ask much from you, Mr. Speaker, and I will thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know that I am going to be here today and tomorrow during the session. From then on, I will not be attending the rest of the session and this is the last time that I am going to be able to stand up and say what I have to say.

I would like to thank my children, my wife and my relatives, because they have waited and were patient with me while I have been a Member of the Legislative Assembly.

I know that my constituents are not very close; Sanikiluaq is pretty far away. Some times a was very difficult for me to visit my constituents there.

For almost four years, the people I represent have supported me and I would like to thank them. Especially in this year, 1995, I was away from my constituents for a long time dealing with important stuff such as preparation for division and helping out my constituents and I have tried very hard to represent the wishes of the people who elected me. I would like to thank them for being able to support me while I have been a Member of the Legislative Assembly.

I will be here tomorrow in the House, but from then on, I will not be attending. Maybe because we are going to be finished this week. I would also request, Mr. Speaker, to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Baffin South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Pudlat .

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of this House. I will not make a lengthy statement, but I just want to thank the Members, especially seeing as this is our last session. I would like to thank the Members of the Legislative Assembly for assisting me and for helping me with whatever I need.

I know we have met numerous times in the House this year, because we have to deal with legislation for the betterment of the people in the Northwest Territories.

Also, I would like to thank the people on the Legislation and Finance committees. Lastly, I would like to thank every one of you. I will see you again tomorrow. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Pudlat . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Importance Of Small Business

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak today about the importance of small business in Yellowknife and the north; especially since the constituency I represent includes the Airport Road and the Kam Lake Industrial Park which has a lot of small businesses in it, and I spend a lot of time talking to small business owners.

Mr. Speaker, I was able to find out that there are 1,761 businesses currently registered in Yellowknife. We can probably estimate that about 1,000 of those will be home occupations or single-source contractors, so that means that there are about 700 storefront operations. Many of those will have started as home occupations, but now are employing people, serving other people across the north.

Small business provides a major source of employment in the north. As we know, the private sector represents an awful lot of jobs. In Yellowknife -- if we include those working for the mines -- we probably have over half of all employment, or at least 5,500 to 6,000 jobs which are provided by the private sector. Employees in these businesses provide this government with a major source of revenue. Easily one quarter of all personal tax revenue collected by this government will come from people working in private industry in Yellowknife. On top of that, the businesses themselves will be supplying a significant portion of the corporate taxes this government receives.

Mr. Speaker, it has long been recognized that the small business sector is best at creating new jobs. With division coming, with funding cuts from Ottawa, it's important that we encourage the development of small business. It's there that we see the future when it comes to more jobs for northerners.

This government needs to examine how it deals with business and make sure that it is business-friendly. We need to look for ways to streamline the regulatory and paperwork functions, perhaps by taking a look at the Newfoundland example where fees have been cut for services.

Mr. Speaker, this government needs to move quickly to get business and labour working on recommendations for revising our Labour Standards Act. Then we also need to make sure that this government is enforcing the provisions of labour standards across the board, making sure that there is a level playing field for business. Too often, we hear of southern competition being able to do a job cheaper in the north because they're in and out quickly, and are never checked to ensure that they live up to the standards northern companies must adhere to. But most important, Mr.

Speaker, this government needs to develop an attitude that we support the development of small business. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Importance Of Small Business

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1477

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Zoe .

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Appointment Of Mr. Dan Marion, Deputy Commissioner

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1477

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was pleased to learn today, Mr. Speaker, that Mr. Dan Marion, the mayor of Rae Edzo, has been appointed as the new Deputy Commissioner

---Applause

...filling the vacancy left when Helen Maksagak became Commissioner. As one of my constituents, I've known Mr. Marion for many years. He is a hard-working individual who has done his best to promote the community of Rae-Edzo and the entire Dogrib region. Dan believes strongly in the ability of northerners to work together for a better future. He also has great respect for the values and traditions of aboriginal people of the Dogrib area.

Mr. Speaker, Mr. Marion began public life in the Northwest Territories in 1970 when he was elected to the town council of Fort Norman. He has spent the last 25 years involved as a politician in Fort Norman and Rae-Edzo. He has also served as a board member for the Rae-Edzo Dene Band Development Corporation and the Northwest Territories Development Corporation.

Mr. Speaker, Mr. Marion has many contacts across the Northwest Territories. Through his past work as a member of the executive of the Northwest Territories Association of Municipalities, he has worked with leaders from many of our communities. I am sure they will be pleased with his appointment and will lend their support to him in his new role. I am sure, Mr. Speaker, that Mr. Marion and our Commissioner, Ms. Maksagak, will prove to be a dynamic team representing the Northwest Territories in a way in which all of us can be proud of. I invite all Members to join with me in congratulating Mr. Dan Marion on his appointment as the new Deputy Commissioner. Mahsi.

---Applause

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Page 1477

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Zoe . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Lack Of Dall Sheep Quota In Mackenzie Mountains

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1477

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is no quota on Dall Sheep in the Mackenzie Mountains. This is the only place in Canada and the United States where there is no limit on how many sheep are hunted by big game hunters. There is no way to monitor the sheep, except from the outfitters

themselves. This is what we are told. We have to believe what the outfitters tell us. An outfitter could book 100 hunters in one zone, and they could take 100 sheep out there and there is no real control. This is the concern that I've heard from different people in my constituency; the problem of overhunting the sheep in the Mackenzie Mountain ranges.

There is a real danger for overhunting in the big game hunting zones. This could be detrimental to the animal population in the mountains, west of the communities I represent. This is a traditional area of a lot of the Dene people. An outfitter could hunt an area hard for a few years, then sell out the area for enormous profits. These zones have become assets to the people who are the outfitters.

There are four types of big horn sheep in North America, and the Dall Sheep is one of them. The others are very well controlled, I'm told. For example, in British Columbia, each area is regulated by quotas. The local biologist determines how many sheep could be taken out of an area; lot's say, eight or 12 out of a hunting zone. This is the quota for one hunting area and it is very well controlled.

Mr. Speaker, in order to determine quotas we need to survey and count the animals in the mountains, especially the sheep, on an annual basis. The government will say there's no money, so I would like to make one suggestion, Mr. Speaker: let us place a higher fee on each of the non-resident hunters who come into our area so they could pay for the survey and counting of these animals. For example, in order to pay for the survey, let's say $1,000 per tag for each non-resident hunter. This is a request for support in this area, Mr. Speaker.

Another problem I have is that there is a request by big game hunters for grizzly bear tags now. Here again, I have to oppose this because I need to know the status of the population in the Mackenzie mountains of the grizzly bears before I approve anything like this.

Mr. Speaker, my time has run out. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Nahendeh is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Antoine .

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Lack Of Dall Sheep Quota In Mackenzie Mountains

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The problem is not only with sheep, Mr. Speaker, but has to do with moose, caribou and the different animals in the mountains. We don't know how many there are and there is really no good way of surveying them. There are occasional fly-over surveys, but that is not good enough, Mr. Speaker.

Historically, Mr. Speaker, big game hunting zones were practically given away in the 1970s by the Commissioner of the day. There were five zones and now there are more; there are eight, I believe. Now, we're stuck with the outfitters who control these hunting zones and mountains. They are the only ones allowed to take non-resident hunters into the mountains and the aboriginal people are cut out of the deal. These outfitters all live in the south, Mr. Speaker, and though they are available for sale for enormous amounts of money if they become available, the amounts are impossible for the aboriginal people from the communities to have access to.

Mr. Speaker, recently there was a meeting in Fort Simpson where aboriginal people and leaders met with the outfitters from the mountains. As a result of this meeting, some decisions were made that there would be closer cooperation between the outfitters and aboriginal leaders. Hopefully, this will improve the situation and help the concerns of people in my constituency. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Page 1478

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Public Consensus On Bill C-68

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1478

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have some comments to make, Mr. Speaker, about Bill C-68, the gun control bill. I have been a little bit concerned because there seems to have been some surveying done about people's attitudes and opinions on this issue. In my own attempt to get a feel for public opinion, Mr. Speaker, I found that there is a difference in the way people react, according to whether they're a gun owner or whether they're not a gun owner.

That should be obvious, I suppose, but it would be very easy to take a survey of people and, if the vast majority of them don't own guns and you ask them about gun registration, they would say there would be no problem that they have to register their car, have to have a licence for their dog and they don't see a problem With having a gun registered.

However, if you're a gun owner, automatically --because you know what's in this bill --you would say this is under the Criminal Code of Canada, and I'm being treated as though I'm a potential criminal. They want me to register my gun because they don't trust me. It's very easy to do a survey to get the public opinion that people don't have any problems with registering rifles or guns.

So, Mr. Speaker, in my attempt to find out what people really felt, first of all, I found that people are very, very upset that a government which has a huge deficit could be faced with

an act which costs -- according to various estimates depending on whether you're in the opposition or the government -- anywhere between $78 million and $500 million just to carry out the registration program. A lot of people are concerned about that. The biggest concern that people have, though, is if you really want to have some system for registering these guns, then why couldn't it be done not in a crime bill -- and that's what this is, a crime bill -- but like with any other thing that you own, so there would be registry. Even though it would be tremendously costly, the public would at least see that it has nothing to do with them and their potential to be involved in criminal activity.

I say any efforts that we make right now in trying to lobby the Senate to make changes and so on, will make no change to the fundamental nature of the bill, which is a crime bill. That's what northerners find offensive. Peace-loving people who own rifles, not to protect their property or to shoot people they don't like, are going to be treated as potential criminals. We are unlike the people in Montreal, Toronto or Vancouver because we don't see guns in the same way. That's what I found in my survey of local people. It depends on who you're talking to. If you own a gun, you know all the implications and if you don't own one, you have to be educated on what this bill is all about.

I wish our people the best of luck in Ottawa, but you can't change the fundamental nature of this bill, which is a crime bill. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Appreciation For Support During Tenure As MLA And Minister

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1479

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I won't be making a reply to the opening address but, because the 12th Assembly is drawing to a close, I would like to make a brief statement of appreciation. I would like to thank all of my constituents who, since May of 1993, have granted me the privilege of serving as their MLA. I would like to recognize and thank my many friends and supporters who encouraged me to seek this office and I would like to say for the public record, and to them, that I will be seeking a new mandate on October 16th.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, since February of 1995, I have also had the honour of representing the NWT as Minister of MACA and I would like to thank Members of this House for affording me that privilege. For those Members who won't be seeking re- election, who are retiring or moving on to pursue other matters, I would like to wish you all the best. I thank you all for the guidance, support and encouragement that you provided to me and the way you welcomed me to the Assembly through the caucuses and committees I sat on, and into Cabinet as well.

I would like to recognize two Members of this House who have officially declared that they will be retiring, both Mr. Patterson and Mr. Pudluk . For Mr. Patterson --although he isn't here now, I know he reads the Hansard so he will read these comments --I don't know whether it is a result of his experience on Cabinet or whatever, but I would like to say that he has taught me that you can say a lot without really saying anything.

---Laughter

Secondly, he has offered advice to me on many occasions, but I would like to thank him for not offering me advice on how to assemble a tie collection.

---Laughter

And, for Mr. Pudluk , who said in his reply that he misses the way I touched his legs since I came over here on this side, that although I don't miss touching his leg, I do miss sitting beside him. For the record, I would like to say that when I did accidentally brush his leg, it was not for sexual purposes at all.

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to thank the staff of the Assembly, and in particular, Mr. Hamilton. I know many people have said that he has been a father to them but to me, he has been more like a grandfather.

---Laughter

I would like to say that it's not because of our age difference, but because of the fact that I'm one of the younger, newer Members, he has probably tolerated me a lot more than he would other Members.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude.

The Member for Kitilkmeot is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Ng .

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Page 1479

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Members, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to thank the staff in the ministerial office, both Lisa Morgan and Joan Irwin. Although they've been there only a short time, I realize that without them, a Minister could get lost very quickly. I'd also like to recognize and thank the staff of the department. I'm fortunate because I believe MACA is one of the more respected departments and is recognized throughout the NWT as such.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank my family. Before I came to this Assembly, I had lots of opportunities to travel but never to the extent that becoming a Member of this House has afforded me. For those of us who don't live in Yellowknife, being absent from home for long periods of time is very stressful on family life. I would like to recognize my wife, Susie, and thank her for being a single parent while I've been gone. I would like to thank all my children for forgiving me for all the occasions I haven't been available for them.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would like to say to all NWT residents, to Members of the House, and staff, have a safe and happy summer. I hope to run into all of you, in whatever capacity we may be in, in the future. Thank you, very much.

---Applause

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Page 1479

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1479

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, colleagues. I would like to take this opportunity to recognize in the gallery, Paula Stanton-Stanford and Peter Stanford. Ms. Stanford is the daughter of Dr. Oliver Stanton who was the first doctor in the Yellowknife area in the 1930s and for whom the Stanton Hospital is named.

As well, I would like to recognize Barb Bromley, one of the pioneers of the city of Yellowknife.

---Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1479

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I've noticed some seniors who are also visiting our gallery. I don't know whether it's because they're not from the

area that they're not being recognized, but welcome to the Assembly.

---Applause

I missed one item, item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Further Return To Question 553-12(7): Role Of Economic Development Officer Teams

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1480

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have two returns to oral questions, one asked by Mr. Koe on June 8th with respect to the role of economic development officer teams.

As Mr. Koe noted, I had indicated to the House that it was the intention to fill these positions by June 30th. The planning required for the positions is running behind

schedule and the positions will not be filled by June 30th. However, the department will have completed the general plan for deployment by the end of the month and I am optimistic that we will fill them at that time.

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Return To Question 533-12(7): Origin Of Sealskin Products

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1480

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I have another return asked by Ms. Mike on June 7th with respect to the origin of sealskin products.

On June 7th, the honourable Member for Baffin Central asked me, through the Premier , if we were trying to enhance the economies of Newfoundland and Ontario by developing prototype sealskin products or enhance the economy of the Northwest Territories.

Economic Development and Tourism is participating with Renewable Resources and the federal Department of Fisheries and Oceans in a study to explore possible uses of seal products in the Baffin region. During the course of this study, the consultants concluded that there was a possibility of marketing some sealskin products, particularly when the fur has been dyed.

Some northern skins were processed through a southern tannery which had the ability to dye the fur. Some skins were returned to Minnguq where, with the assistance of the consultants, new designs were fashioned into prototypes. Other prototypes were put together in southern Canada. The prototype products were then test marketed with very positive results in both the NWT and southern Canada. The prototypes, put into production, will expand the variety of products manufactured in the Northwest Territories with respect to sealskins. Thank you.

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Return To Question 533-12(7): Origin Of Sealskin Products

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1480

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Return To Question 533-12(7): Origin Of Sealskin Products

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have three returns to oral questions asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Return To Question 497-12(7): Status Of Air Operations Manager Of Fire Suppression Program

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1480

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

The position of manager of air operations and administration has been discontinued and the incumbent has received a written notice of lay-off.

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Return To Question 569-12(7): Waiving Employment Procedures For Fire Suppression Staff

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1480

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Another return to question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell , waiving employment procedures for fire suppression staff.

The manager of air operations and administration has received a written notice of lay-off from the deputy minister of Renewable Resources indicating that the requirement to work for three months was being waived.

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Further Return To Question 572-12(7): Employment Status Of Bird Dog Officers

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1480

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Another return to question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell ; employment status of Bird Dog officers.

At this point, I can confirm that no air attack officers are flying with the DC-4 air tankers. Thank you.

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Further Return To Question 572-12(7): Employment Status Of Bird Dog Officers

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1480

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Ng .

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Further Return To Question 617-12(7): Status Of Community Water Pumps For Fire Protection

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1480

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Antoine on June 15th regarding the status of community water pumps for fire protection.

The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs has followed up on the suggestions of the Member and the recommendations of the Standing Committee on Finance to review options for fire protection in small communities.

Mr. Speaker, our review of the options for using portable water pumps, of a Wajax or similar type, found there were limited supplementary benefits to the fire suppression equipment currently in small communities. Cold weather problems with pumps and hoses limit their use in winter, set-up time for pump and host systems is too lengthy for quick response, the size and weight of pumps necessary to pump water any distance is a distinct disadvantage and, the pressure from these types of pumps provide marginal water flow rates for tire suppression. The office of the fire marshal has not sanctioned pump and hose systems as a reliable means of lire suppression.

The department believes that a rapid, coordinated response with the dry chemical fire truck, the water truck and the loader is the most effective means of containing and controlling fires in small communities. These methods could apply to the small brush fires in communities that the Member mentioned.

As Members will appreciate from our experiences with fires in the Sahtu and other areas, community fire suppression equipment is a minor component of the efforts of forest fire management. In my reply to the honourable Member for Thebacha , I noted work is being undertaken to upgrade and rebuild community fire breaks as one measure to improve protection from major forest fires.

Mr. Speaker, the department is also focusing on means to improve fire protection within communities. Several of these initiatives were announced last session in presenting our 1995- 96 budget and include the firefighters training program now being developed. A course is scheduled this fall for the Fort Simpson area, and the firefighters from small communities in the region will be trained in the use of dry chemical fire trucks and brush firefighting. Other initiatives include public education, on such matters as minimizing the burning of community garbage, and a current study on ways to improve fire alerting in communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Further Return To Question 617-12(7): Status Of Community Water Pumps For Fire Protection

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1481

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Pollard .

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Further Return To Question 544-12(7): Inclusions Of Non-insured Health Benefits In Health Billings Agreement

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1481

John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Dent on June 8, 1995. It concerned the inclusion of non-insured health benefits in the health billings agreement.

Mr. Speaker, by way of a contribution agreement, the Government of the Northwest Territories administers and delivers, on behalf of Health Canada, the non-insured health benefits program to Inuit and registered Indians in the Northwest Territories. Under the terms of the agreement, invoices are paid by the territorial government and submitted monthly for reimbursement from the federal government.

The 1995-96 budget amount for the non-insured health benefits program is $15.7665 million. This amount was proposed by Health Canada following a review of the previous year's expenditures.

Mr. Speaker, a unilateral cut by Canada for non-insured health benefits across Canada would impact the Northwest Territories by way of

section 25 of the agreement which states:

"In accordance with

section 40 of the Financial Administration Act, R.S., 1985, c. F-11, payment here under is subject to there being an appropriation for the fiscal year in which any commitment here under would come due for payment."

This provision of the agreement allows Canada to limit payment under the non-insured services program to amounts appropriated. As a result, a unilateral cut across Canada would reduce funding available to Inuit and registered Indians in the Northwest Territories for non-insured benefits.

Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Health and Social Services is corresponding with her federal counterpart with regard to the comprehensive review that Health Canada is conducting relative to the non-insured health benefits program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Further Return To Question 544-12(7): Inclusions Of Non-insured Health Benefits In Health Billings Agreement

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1481

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Question 664-12(7): Date Employees Hired To Replace Dismissed Bird Dog Officers

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1481

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like Mr. Speaker, it has been brought to my attention that two new Renewable Resources employees have been hired to replace the two employees who were dismissed last week; the Bird Dog officer and assistant manager of air operations. Apparently, two employees have been hired to replace these individuals. Can I ask the Minister when these two latest employees were hired as air attack officers? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1481

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

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Question 665-12(7): Criteria For Acquiring NWT Birth Certificate

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Safety and Public Services . Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Minister could advise us if, in order to get a birth certificate in the Northwest Territories, all that is needed is to fill in an application form with a name, address, phone number and the mother's maiden name.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1481

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not clear on all of the specifics, so I will take the question as notice.

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Question 666-12(7): Dall Sheep Survey In Nahendeh

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1481

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Resources. Earlier today, I mentioned in my Member's statement concerns about the situation of the Dahl Sheep in the mountains. There are no quotas on them and there is a concern that these animals may be overhunted. I would like to ask the Minister if his department is doing anything to survey and count how many sheep there are, so we can impose a quota on these sheep. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1481

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know that the Department of Renewable Resources has hired a consultant who was to be working on the various guidelines set out for the outfitters in the different zones in the western Arctic, but I don't know specifically whether there is work being done at the present time on Dall Sheep in the Mackenzie Mountains. However, with respect to caribou and animals that are hunted by big game hunters using outfitters, there is a study being done.

I also understand that there was a meeting recently in the town of Fort Simpson with regard to the sheep, but I do not have the results of that meeting. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1482

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I need to find out from the Minister, were the consultants hired specifically to survey the Dall Sheep? Thank you.

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Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1482

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, it was not specifically to do with Dall Sheep. It was regarding caribou, I believe. I don't know whether that was extended to Dall Sheep. However, as a Renewable Resources department, one that believes in conservation and sustainable development, I think it is warranted that something should be done. There should be discussions with the outfitters; not just with the outfitters, but with the people in the area around Fort Simpson. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1482

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister mentioned that there were consultants hired to do a survey with caribou. Will the survey be conducted to count the caribou in the mountains west of my constituency?

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1482

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, the research being done was with regard to the way in which outfitters are operating in the various zones, and not necessarily to count caribou, but to come up with a report on the situation of each of the zones with respect to caribou outfitting. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1482

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Samuel Gargan

Final supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1482

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The consultants are there to work with the communities and to count the caribou and work with the outfitters. Is this going to result eventually with setting a quota on caribou, Dall Sheep and moose in the big game hunting zones in the Mackenzie Mountains? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1482

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe the study is being done on how to better manage the quotas that are allotted for big game hunters. The study should be completed and the report should be forthcoming. At this point, I am not sure where it is at. I believe it is at the stage where the researcher will be providing a report to the department. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Whitford .

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Question 667-12(7): Status Of Mine Safety Regulations

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1482

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question I would like to direct to the Minister of Safety and Public Services . In the last little while, we passed the new Mine Safety Act. Following along with that, there were to be new and revised regulations that would accompany this bill. The public is wondering where these important regulations are. What is the status of the new mine safety regulations?

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Samuel Gargan

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Page 1482

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We had hoped to have those regulations done by July. There are some problems with regard to translation and the resources available for French translation of those regulations. So that is the status right now.

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Samuel Gargan

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is confusing to the public knowing that regulations have already been drafted and it is a matter of translating. I would like to know why there is no money, if indeed it is a money problem. Perhaps rather than asking about the money, when can we expect these to be done? Surely, the Minister could find some money to do this.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1482

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the problems is the federal government were the ones that were supposed to be involved in paying for the translation of our legislation into the French language. Part of the problem is we have not received all of the resources that are necessary to complete these translations. This, I believe, is just one situation that could occur in the future with other regulations and other pieces of legislation, if we don't have the federal government seriously committed to the obligations they say they are committed to. From a practical perspective, it makes it difficult for anyone developing regulations.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 668-12(7): Reasons For Laying Off Air Operations Manager

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister responsible for the fire suppression program. Mr. Speaker, the Minister indicated today that the manager of the air operations and administration division received a written notice of lay-off, that the position has been discontinued, and the requirements to work for three months were being waived by the deputy minister.

Mr. Speaker, we all know that lay-offs apparently occur when a position is terminated as a result of lack of work or discontinuance of a function. We all know that the fire suppression function certainly hasn't been discontinued and there is certainly not a lack of work available. Can the Minister explain which of these reasons were used for laying off the individual; the air operations manager in the fire suppression program? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister responsible for the forest fire management program, Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My understanding is this individual has obtained the services of a lawyer, so I don't think it's proper for me to answer any questions on this issue in this Assembly. I'll take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Pudluk .

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Question 669-12(7): Allocation Of Community Freezer For Arctic Bay

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Regarding my question to the Minister of Renewable Resources , there was a concern regarding the Arctic Bay community freezer. Although it is quite old, they repaired it and had it running again. Has the Department of Renewable Resources made any plans for allocating a community freezer for that community? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Arctic Bay community freezer was one of the freezers inspected during the annual inspection. They figured out which communities needed new freezers and reported on what needs to be repaired and what needs to be done in each of the communities. This report will be ready next month and will be taken to Cabinet for consideration. At the meeting of FMBS, these things will be considered. I'm quite confident that Arctic Bay will be considered to the best of their benefit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Question 670-12(7): Decision To Eliminate Air Operations Manager

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for fire suppression. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister, since he has indicated in his reply to an oral question today that the manager of air operations and administration position was discontinued, I would like to ask the Minister why was this position not identified as part of the normal budget process, but only at the start of the fire season? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister responsible for the forest fire management program, Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It was identified to be discontinued when I took over as Minister. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you. Since he decided to identity a position to be redundant when he took over the responsibility of being Minister, can he indicate whether or not his department had indicated that eliminating a person year should be part of the budget process? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker, no.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Normally, when we're advised of positions being deleted, they are identified in the budget process which reflects the amount of

PYs in a particular activity. The Minister seems to be misleading the House with respect to bringing forth budget processes without advising us of positions being taken out

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Point of order, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin , your point of order.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The way I understand it, the Member is saying that I am misleading the House because I didn't say this position would be cut during the budget process. I wasn't the Minister during the budget process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

To the point of order, Mrs. Marie-Jewell , the Minister is suggesting that you made an allegation that he misled the House. I would ask, Mrs. Marie-Jewell , that maybe you clarity your question on that; clarify it in light of the point of order. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the point of order, I don't want to question your ruling, but I did not indicate the Minister was misleading the House in my comments, if you want to check Hansard. I indicated that the Minister appears to be misleading the House. I want to state that the budget process that was presented to Members in this House and the budget that we passed in this House, does not reflect what the department is implementing. Therefore, the information given to us, as Members, does not appear to be correct. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mrs. Marie-Jewell , with regard to the question of the Minister misleading the House, even if the suggestion is with regard to the appearance, it is still unparliamentary to suggest that type of allegation. I would ask, Mrs. Marie-Jewell , that you withdraw your statement and rephrase your question.

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Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have no problem withdrawing the statement, even though it is placed on the record. However, I do want to ask the Minister, why was the budget process that was presented to Members in this House not implemented in accordance with his departmental plans?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When I took over the responsibility for forest fire management, circumstances evolved and we made a change in the PYs in the Fort Smith fire centre. As Minister, I have the authority to do that. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister whether or not he views that type of authority, with regard to arbitrarily doing lay-offs or discontinuing positions, as political interference? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question I would like to direct to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. Yesterday, the Minister of MACA indicated that the department receives numerous enquiries from a variety of sources and responding to all of these enquiries and concerns is likely an onerous undertaking. I would like to ask the Minister if MACA has some sort of tracking system for concerns and unanswered questions from Members and from members of the public.

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The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I believe the department does have a system where they log in correspondence that comes to the department and deals with the issues accordingly. Thank you.

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Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister it he can explain how questions from the public can go unanswered for up to three months or more if there is a tracking system to ensure a response to these enquiries?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure about this particular situation. I said to the Member yesterday that I would make sure that it is dealt with promptly. I apologize for the error in the length of time that it's taken to respond to this particular issue, but I would like to say that it's probably because it may have been felt that the issue might have been addressed without formally acknowledging it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I find it hard not to ask another question because I think, during the short time I was in Cabinet, if a question was asked in the House that the Minister didn't know, then the officials would make sure that he knew. I asked this yesterday, and I would like to ask to know when the particular issue in question will be answered?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member asked yesterday about responding to the issue that had been brought forward by his constituent and I committed yesterday that it would be done within a week. At this time, I would like to reiterate that. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Are there further oral questions? Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of fire suppression a question. Mr. Speaker, on May 29th, the Minister wrote a letter, which I tabled in this House, that indicated that he would give a commitment to making every attempt to find employment for the individuals that all of a sudden he is deeming to be laid off. I would like to ask the Minister why he is not living up to his commitment as stated in the letter to me which was tabled in this House? Thank you.

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The Minister responsible for the forest fire management program, Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Bird Dog officers -- I think that she was referring to Bird Dog officers -- are not feeling well right now, but as soon as they get well, they can report back to duty and they can go to work. They can report to Bird Dog on DC-4 aircraft. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the Minister indicating that this commitment was only with respect to staff who were employed as Bird Dog officers? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my understanding the question she was asking was about those people who are booked off sick. The three Bird Dog officers who have booked off sick are not feeling very well. But it's my understanding that the day after tomorrow the first one is supposed to report back to work, and he can report back to work at such and such a base. The supervisor will tell him where to report for duty and he can go to work. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mrs. Marie- Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Also from the letter I tabled in the House signed by the Minister, I want to quote one portion of that letter, Mr. Speaker. The Minister stated, '"The decision to proceed without Mr. Pederson was made since I took responsibility for this program. It was necessary if we were to make a smooth transition to the new northern contractor and subcontractors for the fixed-wing services for the fire operation." Can I ask the Minister what he meant by making such a statement? Thank you.