Debates of Feb. 22nd, 2011

This is page numbers 6033 - 6084 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 113-16(5): Northwest Territories Tourism Marketing Plans

Housing Issues In Nahendeh

Tourism 2015

Multi-Year Funding For The NWT Seniors’ Society

NWT Greenhouse Gas Strategy

Hay River Alternative Education Program

Norman Wells Block Land Transfer

Elders Program And Services

NWT Public Housing Arrears

Importance Of Cultural Programs For Youth

Victim Impact Services Outreach Program In Nunakput

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Programs And Services For Elders

Public Housing Arrears

Multi-Year Funding For NGOs

Take A Kid Trapping Program

NWT Greenhouse Gas Strategy

Norman Wells Block Land Transfer

Victims Services Outreach Program In Nunakput

Marketing The NWT To Alberta

Need For Seniors Home Repair Program

Norman Wells Block Land Transfer

Petition 11-16(5): Save The Joe Greenland Centre

Tabled Document 145-16(5): Tourism 2015: New Directions For A Spectacular Future, February 2011 Tabled Document 146-16(5): Northwest Territories Marketing Plan 2011-2012

Extended Adjournment Of The House To February 28, 2011

Seniors Home Repair Program

Joe Greenland Centre

Recorded Vote

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:32 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 113-16(5): Northwest Territories Tourism Marketing Plans

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, tourism brings over $100 million in new spending into our Territory each year. Today I will highlight the development of two key marketing activities that will strengthen the Northwest Territories tourism sector and attract even more visitors to enjoy this beautiful land we call home.

Supporting the tourism industry is one of the key activities the Government of the Northwest Territories is pursuing as part of its Maximizing Opportunities Strategic Initiative. Through these efforts, we continue to work towards the Assembly’s goal of diversifying our economy and supporting the development of sustainable local economies through community-based industries like tourism.

The Government of the Northwest Territories recognizes tourism as a valuable renewable resource. It is critical that we market the Northwest Territories outstanding range of tourism products and that we continue to invest in research, products, training and infrastructure.

Mr. Speaker, with these goals in mind, I am extremely pleased with the development of Tourism 2015: New Directions for a Spectacular Future. This plan will guide investment by the Government of the Northwest Territories in the tourism industry over the next five years. The second plan is the Northwest Territories Tourism’s 2011-12 Marketing Plan, which outlines marketing initiatives for this fiscal year. Later today, at the appropriate time, I will table these documents.

Mr. Speaker, while the recent global recession drove down travel numbers throughout the world, there is some good news to relate. Travel from Canada’s international markets is up significantly in this past year following the Winter Olympics and Paralymic Games in Vancouver. Our own campground numbers were up over 5 percent and current reports from our aurora operators indicate a significant increase in Japanese visitors over last winter.

However, the tourism industry is extremely competitive and we need to continually position ourselves as a travel destination of choice. The Northwest Territories Tourism’s 2011-12 Marketing Plan and Tourism 2015 will help us accomplish this. Both the marketing plan and the investment plan are about building on our achievements to realize our growth potential by targeting markets and products for increasing tourism revenues within the Northwest Territories.

We are also excited about the recent announcement of an investment of almost $3.5 million by the Canadian Northern Economic Development Agency for “Canada’s North Marketing Campaign,” a pan-territorial tourism marketing initiative to promote and position Canada’s North as a unique and dynamic place to visit. We have already had great success working in partnership with the territories on Canada’s Northern House, and we anticipate this funding will continue to help us bring more tourists north.

Partnerships continue to be the cornerstone of our tourism marketing efforts and I would like to thank all of the tourism operators who provided input, for their invaluable contribution to drafting Tourism 2015 and to Northwest Territories Tourism and the Tourism Marketing Advisory Committee for the leadership they have shown in developing the 2011-12 Marketing Plan. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 113-16(5): Northwest Territories Tourism Marketing Plans

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Housing Issues In Nahendeh

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. My riding has the highest percentage of households in core need in the Northwest Territories. There have been some wins, but we are losing ground in other areas like an independent appeals mechanism, maintenance program for elders, mould. One of my constituents finally got access to a home repair program after fighting for seven years, Mr. Speaker, and that’s great news. But after seven years of fighting, others still don’t have access. My constituents are frustrated. There is no appeal process. They appeal to the person who told them no in the first place.

It’s hard on the clients and it’s particularly hard on the staff. We need to create a way for clients who are not happy with the program or arrears to plead their case and have somebody review it.

The Minister has announced that the Housing Corporation would launch an appeals process on April 1, 2011. I would like to see some program detail on how it would work, especially to address program eligibility and appealing old arrears. A lot of constituents are refused the program because of arrears, so sometimes they run into serious immediate maintenance issues but no support is available to them because of this.

Last week I talked about how an elder found himself in such a situation. We need to reinstate a seniors maintenance care program to stop these situations from happening. A seniors maintenance care program would go a long way to improving the condition of our public housing units. We’re still short housing units in many communities. Many units in my riding are inadequate because of black mould. People come to me saying they have respiratory problems caused by mould in their units. We could look at ways to address this issue through our Small Communities Employment Program to get workers into these homes to do some cleaning.

The Housing Corporation should also consider mould-free construction techniques in their designs. I’m pleased with the front-line workers in my region, but I think we can make progress in Nahendeh. If we address these issues, I think we’ll see a drop in the number of households in core need. Our people are worth it, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi cho.

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Housing Issues In Nahendeh

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Tourism 2015

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister of Tourism , Bob McLeod , for his opening remarks today because it works well with my Member’s statement.

As the Minister has said, on April 1, 2011, the GNWT and NWT Tourism are set to launch their Tourism 2015: A New Direction for a Spectacular Future. Tourism 2015 builds on the Tourism 2010 Plan, as said earlier, and certainly makes an effort to continue the great opportunities that are available in our tourism market.

When the mayor of Edmonton was in Yellowknife a few weeks back, he asked why the GNWT doesn’t focus tourism campaigns on his particular city. I think the Minister today said it very well when he said they need to recognize our growth potential by targeting priority markets, and I don’t think it could be said better than that.

Mayor Mandel continued to say that he thought there would be significant interest in his city to have sort of a tourism initiative targeting his large city, which is simply a one and a half hour flight away, with a million people. He thought a lot of people there would be very interested in coming to the North.

For years Yellowknifers and all northern residents alike continue to flock to our southern gateways in Edmonton and Calgary and it’s about time we started seeing some of that return. Maybe a very precise and targeted tourism campaign could market to those particular cities to draw interest in the North.

We have a lot of tourism product here and I believe it would offer great variety to the southern residents to give them something unique and interesting to take home from memory. Many people talk throughout Canada about both Yellowknife and the North as truly on their particular bucket list of things to do before they sort of end their travel days. I would encourage the Minister of ITI to work with NWT Tourism to target those people who see the North as a particular area they wish to visit that, again, is on their bucket list.

I can tell you from my experience of travelling over the years, that many people talk about the dream to come North and I would hope the Minister in today’s question period will talk about initiatives on how we can target Alberta, specifically Edmonton and Calgary, to draw more of them up, especially with them so close. That would be a great market to tap into.

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Tourism 2015

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Multi-Year Funding For The NWT Seniors’ Society

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to tell a bit of a sad story today. Once upon a time there were a group of seniors and elders who wanted to ensure that NWT residents stayed in the North as they aged. They wanted to ensure that our elders would be well looked after and to preserve an appropriate quality of life for all of us as we age. So they banded together and formed a society to work on their goals.

Seniors are a tenacious lot and this group was no exception. They petitioned the government-of-the-day for funding for their group and kept on petitioning until the government, bless them, realized the value of the society and granted them some money. Thus began a beautiful relationship which endures to this day.

The government and the society signed a contract, a one-year contract, and then the contract was renewed and extended for one more year, then one more year, then one more year and so on. Then at the urging of the Seniors’ Society and their MLAs, the government relented and for a brief, short time the group had a multi-year contract. For a few short years there was funding security for the society to run their programs and to know that they could keep their staff. Then the government reverted to a one-year contract and that’s where the NWT Seniors’ Society is at today. Back to square one.

The time that our NGOs have to spend negotiating and developing contracts with the government is huge. Many NGOs receive funding from more than one government department and they must have a contract with each one. The imposition on an organization, which usually has little administrative capacity to begin with, is large.

It’s time for this government to rethink how we fund our NGO partners. Why must they apply for many pots of money to accomplish their goals? I believe we should be considering multi-year core funding to provide a stable funding base for our NGO partners. If necessary, they could then make applications for program funds which are beyond their normal scope of activities.

The work, the services and the programs that NGOs do on behalf of the GNWT is invaluable and certainly could not be done as cheaply if the government were doing the same work. If we really value NGOs as much as our Ministers keep telling us, we must put our money where our mouth is and make the financial life of our NGOs easier.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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NWT Greenhouse Gas Strategy

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister of Environment and Natural Resources committed, a number of months ago, to completing a new Greenhouse Gas Reduction Strategy this spring. But where are we today? We apparently have a new Greenhouse Gas Strategy renewal process plan, which fails to acknowledge even old opportunities. It’s a hollow document, long on process and lacking essential analysis or actions.

Take territorial building standards. Higher construction costs are a hard sell, but when you have the numbers, they are plain sense and lower operating costs buying back upfront costs. Support programs can make this work but we need the numbers and a plan. Take distributed energy both for public and private buildings. We’ve used it for years. Yet again, no numbers are provided to assess possible gains. Same thing with waste heat energy recovery.

The Minister has supported a roundtable this Friday to explore the facts and advantages of carbon pricing. Though a very hard sell, detailed analysis for the progressive redistribution of cost will at least help assess potential gains from this tool. When my colleague Mr. Krutko and I saw Nordic countries’ universal adoption of building standards, distributed biomass energy and carbon pricing with the huge emission reductions they achieved, we knew a plan was needed here to nail down similar economic and environmental benefits. But we still have no such plan.

Feedback I’ve received from the most recent strategy consultations is not positive. A brief report from the Minister’s office says participants agreed that “the goals, objectives, principles and targets of the strategy need to be revised and clearly articulated.” I say, no kidding, Mr. Speaker. Where participants expected basic measures like higher energy efficiency, building standards and carbon pricing to be highlighted and assessed, they had to suggest them for the umpteenth time. Another process checklist but no action plan.

We’ve made big improvements to GNWT operations but we must now extend them across the NWT. To convince citizens and industry to come along, we have to prove it’s the best way to go. The task is large and requires a serious effort. Instead we had a lack of senior people at the January meeting, a lack of analysis, short notice of the meeting, a lack of costed actions, and time is short.

I’ll have questions for the Minister, Mr. Speaker, but as an aside, I want to mention that leading the way on environmental responsibilities brings big tourism gains as well. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Hay River Alternative Education Program

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is Education Week. It’s an annual celebration of all aspects of teaching and learning, and it is a time for students, teachers and parents to celebrate excellence and achievements and reflect on what more we can do to address challenges.

The Diamond Jenness Secondary School alternative education program, called the Storefront School in Hay River, opened in October of 2009, and runs in leased space on the ground floor of the highrise, which is right beside the high school. Students receive instruction and programming on an individual basis for a variety of needs and work in a supportive and flexible environment. Students are comfortable with the personalized education and are able to work around other commitments in their lives. For example, there are single parents with responsibilities at home as well as students who are working to support themselves who cannot attend school during regular classroom hours.

In just over one year of operation, the success of this program has been tremendous. There are currently 42 students enrolled in the 2010-11 year. There were 24 students active during just this past week. One hundred and seventy credits have been completed during the first semester of this year and an additional 214 potential credits could be completed by June 2011. Students who otherwise would not have access to a way to complete their high school education are now studying hard and succeeding, and this year we may see up to eight graduates from this program.

The South Slave District Education Council did not receive start-up funding for alternative education programs. All costs for the programs were from regular formula funding. Without adequate funding, alternative education cannot continue to maintain operations at its current level. The recent announcement by the government to change the funding allocation for alternative education jeopardizes the stability of this program.

It is not easy to find employment or advance in the workplace to a level that provides sufficient income to support oneself or raise a family if you do not have at least a basic level of education, grade 12. It has taken several years to establish a program for at-risk students, and this method of education is working. It has proven to be a necessary program in northern communities to ensure that as many of our young people as possible are prepared for their future. I encourage the government to find ways to fund this program and to continue to support Hay

River’s storefront school and other schools like it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Norman Wells Block Land Transfer

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to speak today about the Department of MACA and the deal for 36,000 acres of land coming from the block land transfer in Norman Wells. Mr. Speaker, in my statement today my questions regarding the disposal of the 36,000 acres has nothing to do with the aspirations of the Norman Wells Land Corporation, and I wish them all well in their pursuits. What my questions are intended to do is find out what the rules of engagement are for MACA when it comes to disposing of Commissioner’s land. What happened in this deal and how it happened are important for all other communities around the Northwest Territories to know and to understand.

First off, the exchange I had with Minister R.C. McLeod a few weeks back and the media reports would indicate that the 36,000 acres were sold, but in reviewing the documents it would appear the deal was a lease. Subsection 3.(3) of the Commissioner’s Land Act states that no Commissioner’s land shall be sold until the duly approved plan of survey of the land has been filed in the land titles office for the registration district in which the land is located.

Section 17 of the CLA also states that payment for Commissioner’s land must be paid in full or requires a 20 percent down payment.

I would have to question whether the transfer is in keeping with

Section 3 and

Section 9 of the regulations, which require that the land be no larger in area than is reasonable for the purpose for which the land is required and that the sale or lease is fair and equitable and in accordance with public interest. Mr. Speaker, there is also the principle of discouraging speculation in the land pricing policy. Given the minimal information provided in the application, it is hard to understand how MACA could have determined whether the amount of land is reasonable.

The Town of Norman Wells’ interest in the land for future growth, possible road for access to Bosworth Creek as a water source and the availability of lots within the municipality, it becomes absolutely questionable whether public interest was given adequate consideration. The vagueness of the application’s stated purpose for acquiring the land and general references to economic potential also raises the question of market speculation.

Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister of MACA at the appropriate time. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Elders Program And Services

Members’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have to realize that one of the most important populations that we have is our elderly population in regards to the years that they have served the Northwest Territories, but more importantly, the knowledge, the culture and the ability to show us how to basically respect not only one another but show us the way of how life should really be lived. Mr.

Speaker, we have to realize that is a special component of our population, ensuring that we are also able to support them in living out their remaining days with dignity, respect, and more importantly, that giving them the dependency that they require by way of services and programs and meet the needs of the elderly and aging population in the Northwest Territories, including the personal care and use of handicapped accessories and making sure that the elders that basically require the assistance and physical and mental disabilities that may occur as they age is there to give them the supports they require.

Mr. Speaker, a lot of our elders still stay at home but, again, they still require the supports and not only the dependency but also ensuring the dignity and the ability to be independent is there and there are also programs to take care of those individuals, but more importantly, the individuals who require respite care regardless of their ailments in regards to their disabilities also have to be taken into consideration regardless if it is a disability or an aging format regardless if it’s a physical or mental disability.

Again, we have to ensure the essential programs and services are there to meet all our elders’ needs regardless of where they live and making sure we keep them active, keep them involved in community activities, and more importantly, ensure that their physical well-being is taken care of, if that means Meals on Wheels or giving them a ride to the community base, a music festival.

Again, Mr. Speaker, it is a society that can show how they treat the most vulnerable in our society. It shows what type of governments we are able to provide to the rest of the Northwest Territories, but more importantly, to show the Canadian citizens that we really do have respect for our elders by way of programs and services.

So, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister of Health and Social Services questions on this matter. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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NWT Public Housing Arrears

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I listened with interest to the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation ’s opening remarks on the 2011-12 budget, as well as the questions and answers during Committee of the Whole. Housing programs have been a hot topic throughout the life of the 16

Assembly. Significant

changes have resulted, including the transfer of responsibility for the public housing from Education, Culture and Employment back to the NWT Housing Corp where they used to be located. This was a positive step, Mr. Speaker.

However, it’s not the only area of concern. Although progress is moving in a positive direction, which is ultimately good for our residents, a lot of work is still required. Regardless, I am happy with a number of the Minister’s comments and answers.

Specifically, I was very happy to see that the Housing Corp is finding solutions which will help individuals move into homeownership, where their income is only slightly over a set limit but they meet all the other criteria; that the Housing Corp is allowing secondary intakes at housing choices where housing units are available after a first intake; that the Housing Corp is converting some of its existing vacant housing into public housing units, especially in communities where no current public housing units existed previously; and that the Housing Corp is increasing flexibility in some of the programs.

These are all good steps that the Housing Corp is taking, but there are some areas that I remain concerned about. Specifically public housing arrears. In October I asked the Minister to find some solutions to the perceived false arrears that exist within some of the individual LHOs. These arrears resulted from assessments conducted during the transition period, both during and after the program transferred to ECE. Many people feel that they do not owe as much as they are being requested to pay, that their arrears are not real.

Mr. Speaker, later this afternoon I’ll be seeking some clarity from the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation on their and the LHOs’ progress in assessing public housing arrears to help those individuals with perceived false arrears and address their concerns. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Importance Of Cultural Programs For Youth

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I often speak in support of culture and Aboriginal programs and the needs for these programs to preserve and

to hold onto our traditions, especially in our educational institutions. My Member’s statement today will focus on the importance of these same programs that contribute to the achievement of our children and our youth. We need to continue to walk in our ancestors’ footpath of success, which is adept to whatever is in front of us.

Last year, in the Auditor General’s report, it was clear from the Alberta Achievement Tests in the last three years that NWT students’ achievement have progressed very little. Something is wrong, Mr. Speaker.

As well, our high school graduation rate is only 55 percent compared to 71 percent across Canada. Is the glass half full or half empty? Mr. Speaker, in order for a young person to have the discipline to succeed, they must think their future is worth the effort. Is it worth it to have a solid education? I say yes. Learn all that you can because it’s in our blood to succeed, not to fail. Our grandparents would not give up or fail us, nor should we do that with our children.

It has been proven that to be successful in life or excel in whatever work you desire, you first have to know yourself and to be proud of who you are and where you come from. Children need to know their identity and feel self-worth. This gives them their self-esteem. Mr. Speaker, this is where culture programs come in. Students need to learn today knowledge, but they also need to learn about their culture. More importantly, practice their culture. They need to know that they are worth the life they are born into, no more, no less.

They need to know the lessons, the wisdom and the strengths and challenges in their culture, finding out about the culture to know who they really are. It’s what gives them strength and reason to work and to study. That’s why programs such as teaching language and culture in our schools are so important.

I want to thank all the teachers in the Sahtu and the parents for continuing to raise their children to be somebody in this world. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Victim Impact Services Outreach Program In Nunakput

Members’ Statements

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It has come to my attention that the funding for the Victim Impact Services Outreach Program in Inuvik and Paulatuk may no longer have enough to cover services in Sachs Harbour, Ulukhaktok, Tuktoyaktuk and Aklavik. I understand that the way the services are delivered are under review by the Department of Justice, and the federal funding will end March 31

In July 2010 the Inuvik office hired staff to provide outreach and support. It was apparently a pilot project. The funding is running out.

Most communities in the Northwest Territories have little or no local support for people dealing with traumatic experiences related to criminal offences, In many cases, victims are left to cope with their trauma alone.

At the same time, they often have to deal with the complicated legal system. This puts tremendous pressure on the people who are already suffering and have done no wrong. This is unacceptable.

The Inuvik outreach office receives referrals from victims of crime, mainly by the RCMP, but sometimes from health centres, counselling services and other services as well. Through victims outreach, people get to complete the impact statements for court. These are read in court when the accused is found guilty. This gives the victim a service, a voice that they otherwise would not have.

Staff at the outreach office also assists victims with their applications for victims of crime emergency funding. If they need immediate help, they can cover such expenses as broken exterior doors, locks, windows, so that they can return to their home and feel safe. When they have been hurt, little things like getting their glasses fixed and getting groceries and having diapers for your kids can make a real difference.

In many measures, the emotional support of outreach staff provides victims and families a third party and impartial support that can even include court with the victim, if it’s requested.

The Victim Services Outreach Program provides administrative and emotional support for people who really need it. After the crime is committed in remote communities, when they need help, they have nowhere else to go and it would be a huge loss of service if this was cut off.

I will have questions for the Premier at the appropriate time.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m very pleased to recognize in the gallery today Ms. Jenni Bruce, the chair of NWT Tourism; Mr. Larry Jacquard, board member of NWT Tourism; Mr. Gerry LaPrieur, executive director of NWT Tourism; and Mr. Doug Doan, assistant deputy minister of ITI and also a member of the Tourism Marketing Advisory Committee.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to recognize Charlie Furlong who is a mentor of mine who invited me into Aboriginal politics in 1985, 26 years ago, when he was the president of the Mackenzie Delta Regional Council and I was the vice-president. It’s been some time and I’d like to thank Charlie publicly for breaking the trail and leading me astray in some cases, and for all the work that Charlie’s done for the residents of the Mackenzie Delta and the Northwest Territories. He is also serving as the chief of the Aklavik band and is now president of the designated Gwich’in organization in Aklavik. Thank you very much, Charlie.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Krutko already recognized him but I would like to recognize Charlie Furlong, who we didn’t know until now was responsible for this.

---Laughter

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m really pleased today to have a constituent in the gallery. Ms. Jenni Bruce is a constituent from Frame Lake. Welcome, Jenni.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . I want to welcome everybody in the gallery today. I hope you’re enjoying the proceedings.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 506-16(5): Programs And Services For Elders

Oral Questions

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services in light of the declining programs and services in the area of seniors’ care. I think we have to be cognizant of the aging population in the Northwest Territories. In my riding alone there are some 120 elders over the age of 70 in Tsiigehtchic, Aklavik and Fort McPherson. Yet we have to realize that as we age we also require more specialized programs and services. In light of that, we have to enhance the existing dollars. Right now in most communities all we have is home care.

I think we have to expand programs and services to assist those people with regard to their mobility problems and disabilities, physically, mentally, emotionally, to

assist them as we improve the quality of life for seniors.

I’d like to ask the Minister what her department is doing to improve the quality of life of elders in our communities and all communities of the Northwest Territories.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 506-16(5): Programs And Services For Elders

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is quite right in saying that we need to do more to support elders in our communities. For example, in Aklavik right now one home care worker is supporting 35 elders, as the Member stated on the radio this morning. We believe there are many more seniors in a community like Aklavik who could do a lot better with support from the government. What we propose to do is redesign the program so that we increase the level of home care in the community so that we can support as many as 100 elders in the community right now, just in Aklavik.

We also want to be able to provide elder programming out of the Joe Greenland Centre. We want to be able to do a lunch program there and have a closer relationship between the home care support and the health authority office there, whether it be managing chronic disease, providing support, or organizing an elders program there. This is more an expansive way of looking at how we provide for elders.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Again I think we also have to realize that we have to deal with the emotional and physical restraints that elders are under. We have to provide those types of programs in the communities to vitalize the elders and keep them active, keep them involved in different community activities and events, and keep them mobile. I’d like to ask the Minister what we’re doing to enhance the physical aspects of elders’ care in communities so that we do keep them active and full participants in our community activities.

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Question 506-16(5): Programs And Services For Elders

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Currently we are spending about $800,000 at the Joe Greenland Centre, not taking into consideration extra money that we have to spend there. The program is currently budgeted under the Beaufort-Delta for $800,000. That is serving two elders in the Joe Greenland Centre. What we propose to do is use half of that money, $350,000, back into the community.

When I was there with the Member in January, we committed to the community and the community group that we will sit down with the community and design an elders program together, and it could be recreational activities, social activities, providing lunches for the elders, because they need a point of contact. We have lots of elders in Aklavik that need support throughout, and we need a point of contact and meeting place where care providers can keep

an eye on them and be in constant contact with them.

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Question 506-16(5): Programs And Services For Elders

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Again I think it’s important that we do deliver sort of elders day care programs and improve the quality of life for seniors in our communities. I think it has to be encompassing that you look at Meals on Wheels or the physical activities. We have to provide programs similar to the other segments of our population and ensure that we have a scheduled program in place in our communities so elders realize they are an important segment of our population and they are included in activities in the Northwest Territories. I’d like to know where we’re going to enhance elders day care programs in our communities and using the facilities that we have in our communities.

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Question 506-16(5): Programs And Services For Elders

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

The Housing Corporation and the department will continue to support community programs for elders at the Joe Greenland Centre. We also plan to use the common area of the Joe Greenland Centre for an elders day program and continue access to the common area, kitchen, and specialized bathing equipment within the building which will be used by home care. The Beaufort-Delta Health Authority will continue to operate and there are also plans to use the common area and kitchen to provide a lunch program for elders every day, because we want to be in touch with the elders so that we have the constant capacity to look out for the elders.

There are many elders who are able to stay home and take care of themselves but they are being increasingly isolated without daily contact with the community support. This is what we are planning on doing in Aklavik.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Question 506-16(5): Programs And Services For Elders

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think other important programs that we have to consider for all communities is the area of respite care and palliative care. I think those are the type of programs more associated with large regional centres. I think the communities have to have the access and ability to have those programs also delivered so that people will live out their days in the comfort of their own homes in their home communities, and work with the families to make life as comfortable as they can. I’d like to ask the Minister where we are going with those two programs for the communities.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

The Member knows we were told when we were in Aklavik in January that there is one home care worker and he’s worked off his feet just driving elders around. He definitely needs more support and we are proposing to create two additional home care workers so that three home care workers can support the elders there. There is also a need for respite care program territorial-wide model and, as the Member knows, we are

reviewing that. Part of that process, this is actually a very exciting roll-out for us that would depend on a lot of resources. Right now we need to be on the ground, and home care workers’ support and health care officials will give us more insight into exactly what the needs are as we work to expand this as the resources allow.

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Question 506-16(5): Programs And Services For Elders

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 507-16(5): Public Housing Arrears

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation . They follow up on my Member’s statement earlier today.

In October I asked the Minister about some outstanding arrears that individuals in the Public Housing Program have and particularly concerned about the perceived “false” arrears that are out there. The Minister committed to working with the LHOs to have people come in and do reassessments to determine whether in fact their arrears were accurate or not. I was wondering if the Minister could give us a bit of an update on the progress of that.

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Question 507-16(5): Public Housing Arrears

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 507-16(5): Public Housing Arrears

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We’ve been very encouraged by the number of people that have been coming into the LHOs to get reassessments. The percentages of people that are coming in are improving each time. We have made some progress is writing off what is perceived to be artificial arrears, and as long as they come and verify their income... In one particular case a person came in and verified all their income for a period of that time and left the LHO owing zero arrears. We do note that is helping some people and we’ll continue. Once I get the updated numbers, I’ll provide them to the Members.

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Question 507-16(5): Public Housing Arrears

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

That’s, actually, really good news. I’m especially excited to hear the sample provided where the individual went in for the assessment and it turns out they didn’t owe anything.

In the information that the Minister has committed to providing, could he provide us with a bit of a breakdown of some of the results of those assessments? How many are actually showing zero or no arrears and how many are owing what they were told they owed beforehand? A bit of an analysis of what’s owed and what’s not and what the findings are.

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Question 507-16(5): Public Housing Arrears

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

That would be a huge undertaking, given the amount of public housing

tenants we have across the Northwest Territories. If we have to go on a community-by–community basis, for the most part we have a lot of folks that are in arrears. It would be a huge undertaking. I’ll see what kind of information I can pull together to share with the Members. If there are more examples of people who left the LHO owing a lot less than they originally thought, then I will give that information to the Members. It is a huge undertaking but I will commit to seeing what we’re able to provide.

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Question 507-16(5): Public Housing Arrears

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I know the LHOs are incredibly busy and adding a whole bunch of work may not be good for them, but I think there can be some generalization done as to what the findings are, whether or not people are finding themselves not in arrears.

I was wondering, given the good news that we’ve received, whether the Minister would commit to putting some additional pressure on the LHOs to get out there and do the assessments. I mean, the news is good, right? I mean, we have individuals who don’t owe. Let’s use that information to help encourage more people coming in. I was wondering if I could get the Minister to commit to take that little bit of extra pressure on the LHOs, even though I know they’re doing a lot of work and they’re busy, but to get some more assessments done. I think that the results will be positive. Thank you.

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Question 507-16(5): Public Housing Arrears

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, the better news is the LHOs are not going chasing after these people. These folks are actually coming into the LHO office and they are verifying their income and they’re getting reassessments done. People have taken it upon themselves to come into the LHOs, which is really encouraging, and if the LHOs find that there’s somebody that they need to see, well, obviously, they’ll contact them and tell them they need to come in. So the communication is there, but we do have clients that are coming into the LHOs and getting reassessments done and in some cases it’s working out for them. Thank you.

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Question 507-16(5): Public Housing Arrears

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Your final, short supplementary, Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 507-16(5): Public Housing Arrears

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just being really quick, I’m very happy to hear that individuals are coming in, but I’m sure there are still some individuals that are not coming in because they’re uncertain about the process. I think we have some real positive results here and I was just wondering if I could get the Minister to, once again, sort of commit to using the data we have to create some sort of campaign or awareness campaign to suggest to come in, come in and be assessed. I think that the news is positive. I’m happy to hear people are coming in, but let’s try and grab the rest of them and get rid of those arrears where they’re not real. Thank you.

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Question 507-16(5): Public Housing Arrears

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, I can commit to doing that. I mean, the word is out there that they need to come and get reassessed. They see it as an opportunity to get their arrears straightened out if they believe that they’ve accumulated during the time it was over at ECE. But I can tell the Member and I can tell this House, actually, that we do have a couple of communities, the preliminary numbers we got when we first did the transfer over back in June, there was one community where, the highest community where, the highest community, I think, was 37 percent of the people still had to come in, which was our highest number.

That means 63 percent have come in. Numbers may have improved since then. A community in Tu Nedhe has 1 percent of the tenants have to come in. The numbers are all quite positive. We have three numbers that are fairly high but we’re working on those. Once I get an update as to the number of people that were reassessed, I will pass it on to the Members of this Assembly. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 508-16(5): Multi-Year Funding For NGOs

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are addressed to the Minister of Health and Social Services . I’d like to follow up on some of the information that I presented in my statement.

I referred to the current situation that NGOs have now been taken back to one-year agreements with the government as opposed to multi-year agreements. I expressed my displeasure with that, I think. I’d like to ask the Minister why we have penalized our NGO partners and reverted to one-year agreements. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 508-16(5): Multi-Year Funding For NGOs

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We’re not penalizing any NGO. Mr. Speaker, as part of the department’s budget review, we’ve implemented that all agreements would be for one year to allow for evaluation of how we are spending our funds and on the outcomes. That said, as I stated earlier, I think Member Hawkins asked this same question. We’re not saying no to multi-year agreements. We are reviewing our agreements as we go forward and we will make the decision at the end of this fiscal year.

As the Member knows, my department is under huge fiscal pressure and we are reviewing all the agreements. As I indicated in the letter to all Members, we will be sitting down with the NWT

Seniors’ Society and work with them on how we move forward. Thank you.

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Question 508-16(5): Multi-Year Funding For NGOs

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. I can appreciate that the department is reviewing, but I guess I’m really disappointed that as part of review we have to go backwards in order to do a review.

In a recent letter to the NWT Seniors’ Society, the Minister stated that the department recognizes the multi-year contribution agreements provide a certain degree of funding security. If that’s the case, I’m wondering why the Minister cannot, as a matter of policy, use multi-year contracts with NGOs like the NWT Seniors’ Society. Thank you.

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Question 508-16(5): Multi-Year Funding For NGOs

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Because, Mr. Speaker, as I stated, we are reviewing our budget for 2010-11. We are reviewing all the agreements we have with some of the NGOs. We are evaluating to see how we are spending money and what the outcome measures are. We will be renewing the contracts with those organizations and we will sit down with them. Thank you.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I guess the Minister and the department feel that the only way they can do a review is if they put people on a one-year leash. I’d like to know from the Minister why the department couldn’t do the review of their budget and keep multi-year agreements as NGOs like the NWT Seniors’ Society had in the last year or so. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

As the Member knows, even multi-year agreements are subject to funding approvals. I’m sure the NGOs feel more comfortable in having multi-year contracts, but as I stated in the House, we’re not saying no to multi-year agreements. We believe that there is merit in that. Right now we are reviewing our budgets or our agreements and we will talk to the NWT Seniors’ Society in due course. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Your final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Minister. I understand that she thinks that the NGOs are more comfortable. They are absolutely more comfortable with multi-year funding. I mentioned in my statement about a different method of funding and I wondered if the Minister would commit to consideration of a different method of funding. Specifically, will she discuss with her Cabinet colleagues the possibility of multi-year core funding for our NGO partners? Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

As I stated, we are reviewing all of our agreements and it will be based on the review. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 509-16(5): Take A Kid Trapping Program

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to ask the Minister of ITI , with this program Take a Kid Trapping, I said in my Member’s statement the value of cultural and Aboriginal programs into the schools. I want to ask the Minister of ITI if in the future the success of this program will also include the success in terms of increasing the funding so that this program can be more permanent into the educational programs in schools.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Question 509-16(5): Take A Kid Trapping Program

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Take a Kid Trapping Program has been one of our more successful programs. We work in partnership with a number of departments including MACA, ECE, ENR and ITI. By working together in partnership, we work in the best interests of the youth and it also allows them an opportunity to have a choice and option in determining which way they want to go. We think there are some significant advantages, because it allows them to develop self-esteem, it allows them to develop a good work ethic, and most importantly, it shows them the value of hard work and also the culture and way of life that people have experienced for many years. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I want to ask the Minister of ITI , in terms of the success for the program Take a Kid Trapping, if he would sit down with his colleagues and see if they would review this program to see how they could include it into curriculum into the schools, into a more permanent core curriculum or program that would support our students to learn both on the land and in school, in terms of their education.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

We undertake a review of our program and the Member would be pleased to know that some of the communities, when the children or the youth go out on the land, one of the teachers actually goes out with them. For example, in Colville Lake where the teacher went out with the youth and spent two or three weeks out there, so I’m sure the educator learned a lot as well. Also, in the past when we’ve done these reviews, we saw fit to expand our program, so that in 2009-10 we also added Take a Kid Harvesting Program. We find that it has been successful. As we review it, we will endeavour to make it more and more a larger part of our education curriculum. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I understand the teacher from Colville Lake really didn’t want to come back to town. He wanted to stay out there and be a trapper. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister undertake the issue to meet with this colleague, Minister of Education , to see if this Take a Kid

Trapping or Take a Kid Harvesting Program could somehow be included and part of the education in terms of solidifying this program like a trades program that some of the young people do want to become trappers? That is an honourable career choice of theirs to do something for themselves. Would the Minister sit down with the Education Minister and have this discussion?

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I know that the Department of Education already has on-the-land programs with their students. I will be pleased to meet with the Minister of Education to make sure that all of our programs work more closely together. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister indicated that he plans to sit down with the Minister of Education . Would the Minister look at, again, the review more comprehensively and see if some of the things that they do with the Take a Kid Trapping Program that they would look at building some credits to this program here so that will be going towards a Grade 12 diploma?

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I recall that, in previous life, when I was involved with the Fur Institute of Canada, there had been a harvesting program or high school programs that were developed so that they could be incorporated into schools and I will follow up on that and follow up with the Minister to see if we could continue that work. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 510-16(5): NWT Greenhouse Gas Strategy

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to follow up on my Member’s statement and ask questions to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources . There is an urgent need for an improved effort towards a new and well-founded Greenhouse Gas Reduction Plan. I have mentioned that feedback from the January round of consultations was not positive. Senior people were not there. There were no clearly costed proposals to review and it was short notice.

Mr. Speaker, essentially we hauled our partners in to show them a blank page. I am wondering what is the Minister going to do to get this potential train wreck back on track. Mahsi.

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Question 510-16(5): NWT Greenhouse Gas Strategy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 510-16(5): NWT Greenhouse Gas Strategy

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Truly, the Member’s glass is half empty as it pertains to this issue. If I could just very

briefly touch on the fact that, in the life of this government, we put $60 million into alternative energy, into biomass, hydro, solar strategy, Water Strategy, wind, geothermal. I think we have done very good work in recycling. We have redone building standards. We have projects all over the place on the ground in our own buildings in communities. We have worked with all of the communities to look at energy plans. We as well committed to redoing the Greenhouse Gas Strategy. That work is underway, clearly not up to the Member’s standards.

I am listening to the Member’s comments, advice and feedback. We are making note of those and we are going to be adjusting as we move forward here to make sure that is an effective process. We mustn’t lose sight of the fact that this Assembly has done an enormous amount of work in this area of greenhouse gases, our carbon footprint, energy efficiencies and sensitivity to the environment. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, and enjoyed benefits along the way, I am the first to admit, and I don’t want to detract from the work that has been done and the dollars that have been saved and so on. Put that in perspective, of course, is an important part of the equation. We have had very modest goals and we have achieved those very modest goals, I think. We are waiting for the evidence to accrue there, but I am pretty sure that is happening.

I would like to compare cases, Mr. Speaker. We have a gas pipeline of questionable economics four years down the road, maybe, and we seem to know every economic fact down to shoe sizes. We have a Greenhouse Gas Strategy that was out of date when it was printed, no omission reduction targets, no costing and no plan. We have all the time in the world for increasing greenhouse gas production and none for avoiding the climate change they cause. The Minister understands the consequences of change in climate. Can he assure us that the Greenhouse Gas Reduction Strategy will balance this equation? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, the final Greenhouse Gas Strategy would be a product of this government, this Assembly. The Member sits on the Climate Change Committee that has had a hand in this to a good degree. We have to make sure that the products that comes out of this Legislature that are put forward into this House reflect the consensus that we can reach on going forward on a territorial-wide Greenhouse Gas Strategy. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, the Minister mentions the Climate Change Committee. I think we would agree that, in fact, we have been pushing for the work to be done so that this consultation can be meaningful. That includes listing the tools and

determining doing the analysis to determine what those tools can achieve us in terms of greenhouse gas reduction. Consultations are not showing if that work has been done. Can the Minister assure us that work being done will be shortly presented to people for some real consultation to finally begin? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, we have embarked on a process that will result in a Greenhouse Gas Strategy. We are listening to the feedback we get in this House and other venues and making note of that. We want to have the best, most comprehensive process possible so that we end up with a product that will have some meat, some substance that will address specifically recommendations going forward, targets we want to achieve and hit and how we are going to do that. Thank you.

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Question 510-16(5): NWT Greenhouse Gas Strategy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister’s status report indicates that the goals, objectives, principles and targets of the strategy need to be revised and clearly articulated. That work had not even started, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister promise to devote the limited time remaining in this mandate and sufficient staff resources to assemble the full set of facts, tools, analysis and consultation to at least set up our successors with strong recommendations in our transition plan? Mahsi.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I can assure the Member that every staff member in Environment and Natural Resources is working flat out on a whole host of issues, including this Greenhouse Gas Strategy, and the folks that are working on this strategy are fully applying themselves with their shoulder to the wheel, their nose to the grindstone and unremitting efforts to bring this process to a successful conclusion. I will commit that we will have a Greenhouse Gas Strategy at the end of the day that will hopefully meet the very high standard that the Member has set for himself and all the rest of us mere mortals. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 511-16(5): Norman Wells Block Land Transfer

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have some questions today for the Minister of MACA getting back to my Member’s statement where I talked about the 36,000 acre land deal in Norman Wells. I had questions a few weeks back where the Minister suggested that it was a sale, and in media reports the suggestion was a sale but just yesterday in the House during Committee of the

Whole, I believe the deputy minister referred to it as a lease, in response to my colleague Ms. Bisaro ’s questions. The Minister, in a statement to Ms. Bisaro , called it a purchase and then called it a lease. I would like to just get it out there. Is the 36,000 acre deal a lease or a sale to the Norman Wells Land Corporation? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 511-16(5): Norman Wells Block Land Transfer

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. They had originally intended to purchase the property but it worked out in the end where it was decided that it was a lease, so it is a lease. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

That leads to a little bit more confusion, because when I asked the Minister a few weeks back what the selling price was, it was $1.6 million. Would the Minister be able to divulge the financial obligations of the Norman Wells Land Corporation as it relates to that lease? Is it $1.6 million for a 30-year lease, or what are the financial parameters surrounding that lease? Thank you.

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Question 511-16(5): Norman Wells Block Land Transfer

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

The intent is to lease the property for the next three years; to purchase it after three years. Thank you,

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Again, there are a lot of questions that I could ask surrounding this. The whole process has left a lot to be desired when it comes to consultation and transparency and if you look to the legislation and the policy, it’s really short on guidance to the department on what it can and can’t do in terms of consultation. I’d like to ask the Minister why MACA has refused to let the Town of Norman Wells have a look at that lease. Thank you.

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Question 511-16(5): Norman Wells Block Land Transfer

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you. Obviously there are a lot of questions we could ask about any issue debated in this house. This was one issue where all the proper processes were followed in accordance with disposal of Commissioner’s land. I’m not sure what the Member is talking about, the Town wanting to see the lease. I’d have to follow up on that and see if there’s been a request for the Town to view the lease. I know the lease was just signed recently. So I’ll follow up with that and see if there was ever a request to have a look at the lease. Thank you.

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Question 511-16(5): Norman Wells Block Land Transfer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 511-16(5): Norman Wells Block Land Transfer

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it’s very important as we move toward a post-devolution setup here in the Northwest Territories, that we have rules and policies in place so that all communities know exactly what the rules of engagement are when it comes to disposal of Commissioner’s land in and around communities.

I’d like to ask the Minister if he could entertain looking at special consultation requirements and principles that would apply to transfers of community block transfer lands where the transfer is to be made to a third party and not a community government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 511-16(5): Norman Wells Block Land Transfer

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you. We have followed all the proper policies, all the proper processes in this case and we continue to do so. People may not agree with them, they might not like the decision that was made at the end and they continue to question the decision, but as far as following all the proper processes, that has been done. We followed them, the Norman Wells Land Corporation has followed them.

There still is a lot of land that is available in the community, Commissioner’s land that’s available to the Town within their municipal boundaries and the Norman Wells Land Corporation want to acquire this land for a future economic base for their membership. How can we deny them that? We’re continuing to work with them to see that they have due processes that are followed and I’ll stand here, Mr. Speaker, and continue to defend the fact that all processes were followed. Thank you.

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Question 511-16(5): Norman Wells Block Land Transfer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Question 512-16(5): Victims Services Outreach Program In Nunakput

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today my Member’s statement was on support for victims services in my riding in the Inuvik region. Mr. Speaker, what’s happening with the federal funding with the support services in the Nunakput region and what’s being done about it? For the Premier , thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Question 512-16(5): Victims Services Outreach Program In Nunakput

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m informed that the victims services work that was done was in conjunction with federal funding that is due to lapse, but the Department of Justice and the Minister have been working with the agencies to seek a renewal of that funding. Thank you.

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Question 512-16(5): Victims Services Outreach Program In Nunakput

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you. What is the status of the review of the victims services in the Nunakput region? Thank you.

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Question 512-16(5): Victims Services Outreach Program In Nunakput

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you. The review that’s ongoing and the funds that flowed affected a number of communities around the Northwest Territories, and again, the work that’s been going on to seek a renewal from the federal government, we’re expecting a decision on that in the near future and I believe it’s tied to the federal budget process. Thank you.

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Question 512-16(5): Victims Services Outreach Program In Nunakput

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you. What changes are being considered to deliver the victim services to the victims of Nunakput? Thank you.

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Question 512-16(5): Victims Services Outreach Program In Nunakput

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you. My understanding is the Victim Services Program is delivered in the Nunakput region tied to the Inuvik office. There are three positions; two out of Inuvik and one part-time out of Paulatuk. The work that’s ongoing to renew the funding at this point, the victims can access a support through the Inuvik office in the interim. Thank you.

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Question 512-16(5): Victims Services Outreach Program In Nunakput

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Your final supplementary, Mr. Jacobson .

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Question 512-16(5): Victims Services Outreach Program In Nunakput

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What’s being done to ensure the people in the remote communities continue to get the help they need while they cope with crimes committed against them and support mechanisms? Thank you.

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Question 512-16(5): Victims Services Outreach Program In Nunakput

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you. Again, the current services available are still there in the interim until we find out the funding and the funding levels that will flow out of the federal budget. Again, in the interim, the victims services are available out of the Inuvik office. Thank you.

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Question 512-16(5): Victims Services Outreach Program In Nunakput

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 513-16(5): Marketing The NWT To Alberta

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today in my Member’s statement I talked about tourism and, more specifically, tourism in Edmonton about attracting Edmontonians and perhaps even Calgarians to the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, my questions would be the for the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment and what I’d like to ask today is: is Edmonton, Calgary, or even just the Alberta market a tourism target market for the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Question 513-16(5): Marketing The NWT To Alberta

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Question 513-16(5): Marketing The NWT To Alberta

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Edmonton is a significant market for the Northwest Territories. We think there are a lot of advantages to working with Edmonton and Alberta. Our primary contact with regards to marketing is NWT Tourism and seeing as Edmonton is only less than two hours and probably about a $300 to $400 ticket away, and since we’re interested in increasing business and personal travel to the Northwest Territories, it’s a natural fit.

Similar to what we’ve done with Vancouver and B.C. where we have our aurora visitors go through there and have direct flights, we’re looking for international connections; we’re hoping that we can work through Edmonton to establish a European connection. The mayor,

when he was up here, as the Member knows, was very interested in our Come Make Your Mark program and was asking a lot of questions about that. Certainly, Edmonton for many years has built itself as the Gateway to the North. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 513-16(5): Marketing The NWT To Alberta

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. The Minister highlighted some things about the Edmonton mayor and what he had heard, and I should also take this opportunity to point out that the team from ITI did a bang-up job about informing the mayor about opportunities in the North and that should be said certainly and clearly on the record that they did a great job. I think they did such a good job, the mayor was sparked with many other ideas about what could be done for our territorial market. He came here with an open hand saying how could he help, and again, tourism was a particular area he kept highlighting, saying more could be done.

Mr. Speaker, I guess my question for the Minister of ITI is: has ITI ever looked at discussing a particular issue with NWT Tourism about opening up a tourism bureau or some type of office, a permanent presence in Edmonton to help build on that gateway concept, I guess, here to the North? Thank you.

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Question 513-16(5): Marketing The NWT To Alberta

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you. Because we’re so close to Edmonton, we feel that we have our tourism bureau right here in Yellowknife operating out of Edmonton. But to be more specific, we do work very closely with the Edmonton market through NWT Tourism, and NWT Tourism has developed some very specific promotions with Edmonton as well as some generic promotions.

The specific promotions are we’ll be participating in the Edmonton RV Show this year as well as the Edmonton Boat and Sportsman Show. As part of that, we will be operating a fly-fishing pond and a movie screen, so that means we’ll have preferential promotional materials and operators that want to rent the booth will have discount prices. We’ll also feature some of our celebrity TV stars from Ice Pilots NWT, who will be there promoting the show and promoting the North.

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Question 513-16(5): Marketing The NWT To Alberta

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Those are all fantastic things and I wouldn’t want to detract from them. I guess I would follow up in the same type of manner as my earlier question, which is: has the Minister or the NWT Tourism ever considered establishing a permanent presence in Edmonton? That said, that presence could work with the City of Edmonton’s economic development, because again the mayor of Edmonton seemed quite keen on wanting to partner in a way that could benefit the whole North.

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Question 513-16(5): Marketing The NWT To Alberta

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

I’ve sent an e-mail to the mayor and asked his Edmonton Bureau of Tourism to be in contact with NWT Tourism. Anybody that we can get to work with us and promote the North

we’re very interested in and we’re very eager to follow up on that with the mayor.

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Question 513-16(5): Marketing The NWT To Alberta

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 513-16(5): Marketing The NWT To Alberta

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to thank the Minister for that answer. Just to build on it slightly a little further, the Minister talked about the presence that the NWT and the other two territories had in Canada Northern House where they worked collaboratively and successfully, if I may add, in sort of a pan-territorial perspective. I’ve mentioned about a pan-territorial tourism commission many times and how to build upon sort of the North as a giant vision from a tourism point of view. My question for the Minister is that we have $3.5 million put into this potential marketing campaign.

How does the Minister see us helping develop with our two territorial partners, again working in conjunction with the City of Edmonton, about launching the North not just to the world but on what I would call our direct target market of Alberta and their million population in Edmonton?

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Question 513-16(5): Marketing The NWT To Alberta

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

We have a pan-northern tourism marketing approach with the other two territories. We’re targeting not only Edmonton but four other major Canadian cities so that we can get southern tourists to come and visit the North. We’ll be launching a promotional campaign both on TV and the print media. You may have seen some of the ads that have already been placed in southern papers. I should add, on top of that we are developing package tours that will emanate from Edmonton so that we will get visitors to come to Yellowknife and the Northwest Territories.

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Question 513-16(5): Marketing The NWT To Alberta

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 514-16(5): Need For Seniors Home Repair Program

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to ask questions to the Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation , specifically to a seniors home repair program or lack thereof.

In 2006-2007, the NWT Housing Corporation consolidated its program into four programs and when they did that they took the seniors and elders’ repair element out of all the programmings and didn’t give them specific recognition. I’d like to ask the Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation what his department is looking at, how we can address the needs of our seniors and elders in our small and remote communities.

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Question 514-16(5): Need For Seniors Home Repair Program

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 514-16(5): Need For Seniors Home Repair Program

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The territorial government puts a lot of

money into the care of our seniors and their homes. We have a preventative maintenance program that’s very well subscribed so that allows seniors to have work done on their units. Also through the CARE program, seniors that qualify can receive up to $90,000 in assistance to do the work in their homes and seniors usually are priority with the NWT Housing Corporation.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

That’s not the response I get when I work with the Housing Corporation. They say specifically that there is no seniors program available. In the past we’ve had six successful programs. There was a Seniors Home Repair Program, a Seniors/Disabled Preventive Maintenance Initiative, Elders on the Land, Adaptation for Seniors’ Independence, Seniors Independent Living Strategy, and a Senior Housing Initiative. Those programs are non-existent in our Housing Corporation anymore. I believe that we should look at that and reinstate that. I’ve had situations in my riding where seniors are not eligible.

They had to get in line with everybody else. I believe that these programs should be looked at, reinstated, or at least something similar.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Those programs, as the Member said, were all discontinued. They were rolled into our basket of programs. As I said, the senior preventative maintenance is still geared towards seniors. Our CARE repair program, seniors would qualify for a lot more than they would under some of the old programs, from $20,000 to $90,000. The Member said they had to wait with everybody else and that’s usually what happens, but seniors are given a priority, as I pointed out to the Member.

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Question 514-16(5): Need For Seniors Home Repair Program

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Seniors are given the priority but that doesn’t appear to be the case. I’ve got a senior in Trout Lake who applied for programming but exhausted all programming available that the NWT Housing Corporation has, even though he’s an elder and a senior. I asked specifically, he’s a senior, he needs emergency repairs, what can be done. They said, no, he’s exhausted all areas. That’s why I believe we should reinstate at least the seniors and elders repair program to address these specific needs.

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Question 514-16(5): Need For Seniors Home Repair Program

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

We all have seniors in our ridings that would like to access some of the programs. Some of our seniors get turned down because of the income. If the particular person has exhausted all the programs that we have to offer, then there would be no need for repairs in this particular case. I’m pretty sure in this particular case we’re able to assist the senior and that again goes to show that even though they’ve exhausted all the programs that we have to offer and the money that comes with it, we’re still willing to assist a senior that needed our help.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 514-16(5): Need For Seniors Home Repair Program

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Despite that I still believe that our Housing Corporation should gravitate towards a seniors and elders program designed specifically for maintenance and care and even replacement of small household items. I’ll be making a motion to that later on in the day.

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