Debates of Feb. 16th, 1998

This is page numbers 801 - 846 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Point Of Order

Accidental Death Of Department Of Transportation Employee

Ministers Absent From The House

Heritage Day In Canada

Spirits In The Sun Festival

Camps For Adult Offenders

Condolences To The Family Of Aiyow Qavavauq

Clean Up Of Cape Christian

Challenges For Young People

Midget Hockey Selection

Termination Benefits For Laidoff Employees

Kitikmeot-based Adult Offenders Camps

Lahm Ridge Tower Transaction

Return To Oral Question 281-13(5): Termination Of Northwest Territories Ski Coach

Return To Oral Question 240-13(5): Lahm Ridge Tower Lease Renewal; 286-13(5): Lahm Ridge Tower Lease Renewal; 304-13(5): Responses To Previous Questions

Return To Oral Question 293-13(5): Costs Of Yellowknife Office Lease Renewals

Kitikmeot-based Adult Offenders Camps

Clean Up Of Cape Christian

Termination Benefits For Laidoff Employees

Midget Hockey Selection Process

Aklavik Proposal For An Adult Offenders Camp

Available Office Space

Previous Assurances Regarding Unsigned Note

Assurance From Cabinet Members

Interjurisdictional Water Management

Fire Safety Inspections

Rcmp Attendance At The Legislature

Agreement For Coaching Training

Lahm Ridge Tower Purchase

Appeal Of Termination Benefits

Public Perception Of Cabinet

Enforcement Of Wildlife Regulations

Northern United Place Lease

Tabled Documents 49-13(5): Analysis Performed By Forensic Document Examiner

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

To Defer Further Consideration Of The Activity Asset Management, Department Of Public Works And Services

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Levi Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 801

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Good morning. Before we proceed with Ministers' statements, I would like to advise the Legislative Assembly that I have received the following message from the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories.

Dear Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise that I recommend to the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories the passage of the Supplementary Appropriation Act No. 3 1997-98 during the Fifth Session of the 13th Legislative Assembly. Yours truly, Helen Maksagak, Commissioner.

Orders of the day. Mr. Roland , your point of order.

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Point Of Order

Point Of Order

Page 801

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order in relation to comments made by the honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Kakfwi , who is also a Minister of this government, in his Member's statement made on Friday, February 13th.

Mr. Speaker, my point of order is that it would appear that the Member for Sahtu made reference and quoted from a Cabinet document, a document, Mr. Speaker, that he would have access to as a Minister but not if he was an Ordinary Member. If this is the case, Mr. Speaker, I refer to citation 495(1) from Beauchesne's Parliamentary Rules and Forms, 6th edition:

A Minister is not at liberty to read or quote from a dispatch or other state paper not before the House without being prepared to lay it on the Table

Mr. Speaker, the Member for Sahtu did say and I quote from page 1261 of an unedited Hansard:

"The Inuvik Health Board recently overturned a Cabinet directive which was effective April 1, 1995."

The Member, Mr. Kakfwi , did say that the then Minister of Health and Social Services communicated this directive in writing. Mr. Speaker, it is my contention that the letter only mentioned two cabinet approved changes and as an Ordinary Member not having access to Cabinet documents, I am not sure that there were not other decisions contained in the same Cabinet decision. Mr. Speaker, if you rule that I have a point of order, I would then ask the Premier to consider tabling the entire Cabinet decision quoted from by the Member for Sahtu . Thank you.

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Point Of Order

Point Of Order

Page 801

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . I will allow for debate on this so that I am satisfied what I hear from the Members would then allow me to base my decision on. Mr. Morin .

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Point Of Order

Point Of Order

Page 801

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that the Minister quoted from a directive of Cabinet that was sent. It is in the files of all the Sahtu leadership offices. It was a letter sent by the Minister of the day to the Sahtu leadership. My understanding is that is the document he was quoting from. Thank you.

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Point Of Order

Point Of Order

Page 801

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Are there any further comments? Mr. Roland .

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Point Of Order

Point Of Order

Page 801

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, although he made reference to a letter that contained two approved changes from Cabinet, he also made reference to a Cabinet directive which became effective April 1, 1995. As an Ordinary Member, I do not have that document which I can refer to, if that document includes any other decisions that would affect what the Inuvik Regional Health Board can do. So that is the reason I raise this point, as an Ordinary Member, I am not able to reference any of those materials, Therefore, limiting the way I can effectively represent the constituents in my community. Thank you.

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Point Of Order

Point Of Order

Page 801

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Roland your point of order is well noted and I reserve my decision until we review Hansard. Thank you. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 58-13(5): Accidental Death Of Department Of Transportation Employee

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 801

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have an emergency statement. Mr. Speaker, it is my sad duty today to rise and inform Members that a 15-year employee of the Department of Transportation in the Baffin region was killed in a tragic accident yesterday while working on the job near Nanisivik. While we do not have all of the details at this time,

Mr. Aiyow Qavavauq was killed yesterday evening while he and another worker were working to open the highway between Nanisivik and Arctic Bay.

The accident is under investigation, and we are doing all we can to assist the family in this tragic time. On behalf of the government and the Members of this House, I extend my deepest condolences to the family, friends and co-workers. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 58-13(5): Accidental Death Of Department Of Transportation Employee

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 802

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin

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Minister's Statement 59-13(5): Ministers Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 802

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Kelvin Ng will be absent from the House for today and tomorrow to attend the Ministers of Health Conference in Toronto, Ontario. As well, the Honourable John Todd will be absent from the House for today and tomorrow to attend the Manitoba Trade Mission in Rankin Inlet. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 59-13(5): Ministers Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 802

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 60-13(5): Heritage Day In Canada

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. Mr. Speaker, today is Heritage Day. Every year the Heritage Canada Foundation proclaims the third Monday of February as Heritage Day and coordinates activities across Canada. The foundation has chosen as its theme this year the 100th anniversary of the Yukon Territory's entry into Confederation. In the NWT, cultural organizations have selected themes and activities which are appropriate to their communities. I would like to inform the Members of this Assembly of some of the activities that will be carried out across the NWT.

In Iqaluit, the Nunatta Sunakkutaangit Museum is planning a week-long demonstration of Inuit games and will exhibit a heritage-careers display prepared by Education, Culture and Employment staff. In Baker Lake, the Inuit Heritage Centre is assisting community elders in recording traditional songs, which will be put on a compact disc for use by the community.

The Norman Wells Historical Centre will present films from the National Film Board to local school groups today. The Northern Life Museum in Fort Smith has planned a week-long series of traditional craft demonstrations, organized by the Youth Environmental Corps project. Yesterday, the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre held an Amazing Sundays event, which focused on the Arctic explorer, Vilhjalmur Stefansson.

Activities included a live history performance by well-known author and actor, Jamie Bastedo, a showing of the Nation Film Board movie Stefansson, the Arctic Prophet, a tour of the Stefansson artifacts in the north gallery and dog sled rides on Frame Lake. Although the Northern Heritage Centre is normally closed to the public on Mondays, the doors will be open today to encourage participation in Heritage Day events. Special activities include a heritage film festival, as well as Heritage Day crafts and quizzes.

Our ties to culture and heritage are strong here in the north. These ties give us a sense of identity and community, and help to give us confidence in our future. Heritage Day is an excellent opportunity to celebrate our vast and beautiful land, to reaffirm values, ideals and aspirations that are important to our identity. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 60-13(5): Heritage Day In Canada

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 802

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 61-13(5): Spirits In The Sun Festival

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 802

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, last week I had the honour of attending the opening of the first Canadian Indigenous Arts Festival in Scottsdale, Arizona. Over 20 territorial artists participated in the festival, which featured the art and culture of Canada's First Nations, Inuit and Metis. As a showcase for indigenous arts and crafts, the festival was a prime opportunity for individual artists and artisans, as well as businesses, to develop contacts and knowledge in marketing and sales. We were pleased to see a strong delegation of individuals and businesses from the Northwest Territories.

In particular, 12 Dene woman representing seven western Arctic communities, took advantage of this opportunity to further economic development of the traditional arts and crafts industry in their communities.

The Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development was pleased to provide support for this venture. The Northwest Company, a co-organizer of the festival, received assistance, as did the Dene Cultural Institute. The NWT Development Corporation was also in attendance representing many of its community-based subsidiaries, along with Arctic Canada Trading.

Artists in attendance included carver Sonny McDonald of Fort Smith, who I would like to commend for his personal initiative in travelling to this festival. The NWT Development Corporation sponsored four artists: Antoine Mountain, Bill Nasogaloak, Dolphus Cadieux and Dawn Oman.

The Dene Cultural Institute assisted 12 Dene women to attend: Marie Louise Norwegian and Sara Hardisty from Fort Simpson, Judy Lafferty and Mary Barnaby from Fort Good Hope, Margaret Nazon from Tsiigehtchic, Lucienne Yakaleya and Georgia Jacobsen-Masazumi from Yellowknife, Theresa Wah-Shee and Pamela Zoe from Rae, Doreen Westrum from Ndilo and Carolyne and Nancy Bonnetrouge from Fort Providence. The Northwest Company featured Inuit art with Kenoujuak, Jimmy Manning and Gyta Maniapik in attendance.

Mr. Speaker, my department will continue to support these activities as an effective way to expand markets for northern arts and crafts. Arts and crafts are a viable economic option for many communities, and I believe by increasing the profile of these products many of our young people will be inspired to consider occupations which maintain the traditional culture and richness of the north. Thank you.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 61-13(5): Spirits In The Sun Festival

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 802

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Minister's Statement 62-13(5): Camps For Adult Offenders

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when I took the position of Minister of Justice , one of my first areas of interest and concern was alternatives to jail. I believe that it is important that our justice system attempt to provide a more culturally appropriate alternative to incarceration, an approach that focuses on healing the offender and leaves them with a foundation to improve their lives. Keeping in mind, Mr. Speaker, the need to strike a balance between ensuring public safety and maximizing opportunities for offenders to return to being productive members of society.

I am pleased to report that progress has been made in developing alternatives to incarceration for offenders in the north. For a number of years, camps have been a viable option for the placement of some young offenders. To this end, the department has extended this model to adults. Over the past year, community members have established eight camps for adult male offenders across the NWT, in cooperation with Correctional Services. Camps are located near Rae Lakes, Pellet Lake, near Lupin Mine, Hay River, Fort Smith, Pond Inlet, Aklavik, Fort McPherson and most recently, Fort Providence.

The department is following up on these positive developments and we are now in discussions with community leaders in Pangnirtung and Arviat. It is hoped that the program will expand to these communities soon. Currently, there are 27 adult offenders in camps.

These camps allow lower risk offenders, who would otherwise have to serve their sentence in a correctional institution, to be kept out of the institution and closer to their home communities for at least part of their sentence. In addition, some camps provide opportunities for offenders to develop traditional land-based skills such as hunting, fishing and trapping. I look forward to working with interested parties and to continue to move forward on this important initiative. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 62-13(5): Camps For Adult Offenders

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 250-13(5): Condolences To The Family Of Aiyow Qavavauq

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be speaking in Inuktitut. Good morning. Today, I would like to send my sincere condolences to the family and friends of the late Aiyow Qavavauq, who unfortunately passed away this weekend in Nanasivik. He will be sadly missed by the communities of Arctic Bay and Nanisivik. Aiyow was very well known by many in Arctic Bay and Nanisivik. He was born in another community in Nunavut in 1943 on December 25th. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 250-13(5): Condolences To The Family Of Aiyow Qavavauq

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. We will continue with Mr. Barnabas at a later time. Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 251-13(5): Clean Up Of Cape Christian

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good Morning. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to talk about Cape Christian. Cape Christian is a former American coast guard station located 12 miles northeast of Clyde River. The Americans established the station in 1952. It is currently abandoned. In 1975, ownership of the station was transferred to the Canadian government. The federal government in turn sold the entire infrastructure to the Government of the NWT. The Government of the NWT is the current owner of the site. PCB cleanup of the site is almost completed but, Mr.

Speaker, there are still garbage and abandoned buildings on the site. More cleanup is needed to get rid of the garbage and abandoned buildings. The site is a threat to the safety and environment of Clyde River. Mr. Speaker, the community of Clyde River would like the site cleared of abandoned buildings and the garbage cleaned up. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 251-13(5): Clean Up Of Cape Christian

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 252-13(5): Challenges For Young People

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise with a concern that all of my colleagues have commented on at one time or another, that being the lack of challenges for our young people. The younger generations are always bored They never have enough to do. Mr. Speaker, when you and I grew up, we were always doing something. Our parents had us do chores around the camp or house. It was a family working together to conquer the elements. Our traditional ways to a degree have been lost. Today our children do not have to work as hard as we did. Children today do not have to cut wood, go hunting and fishing for their food and clothing and many of the other daily events that we did.

When we grew up, not only did we have to work hard but it also challenged us. We had to go out in 40 or 50 below weather to get wood, food and everything else that we needed to ensure our survival. Today our children are not challenged. They do not have the physical challenges or the mental challenges it takes to create a good life for themselves. Young children today are getting involved in alcohol and drugs because they think it is cool and mainly because they do not have anything else to do.

There are many things we, as parents, want for our children. We want them to grow up with all the things we did not have. We want them to live a full and rewarding life but if we, as parents and as a community, cannot provide guidance and challenges for our youth, they will walk down a dead-end path to oblivion. In my community, the parish council recognizes these problems with our youth and tonight is having a meeting to form a committee to address many of the concerns these children have. I hope the committee does address these concerns and wish them all the best in their efforts. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 252-13(5): Challenges For Young People

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 253-13(5): Midget Hockey Selection

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Process

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Member's Statement 253-13(5): Midget Hockey Selection

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I unfortunately rise again to speak about the midget hockey selection process for the Arctic Winter Games. Mr. Speaker, I say it is unfortunate because in an ideal world, or even one where there is common sense, this kind of situation should not have to be dragged into the floor of the Assembly and brought before the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs .

Until the Minor Hockey Association and Sport North can get their act together and respond to the questions arising from the selection process for midget hockey, I feel there is no choice but to bring this matter up in this House. There is a lot at stake here, Mr. Speaker. There has been a lot of time and effort spent. This issue has now been in the public for a number of weeks. The Minister has tried to resolve this situation, but I do not think her officials or the minor hockey officials have given her the specific responses that she needs to be able to reply to the concerned parents and players.

There are outstanding issues with the players' evaluations, the list of alternates, the fact that an all-star game was played under the guise of being a meaningful part of the process. In fact, it appears that the team was picked before the all-star game and the all-star players even skated on the ice. There is a situation with the Air Canada cup, which normally goes to the winner of the tournament, which was a team from the South Slave.

After the fact the minor hockey chooses to make a reversal of this position it seems and go with the all-star Arctic Winter Games team contrary to all the other standard practices in regard to the Air Canada cup. As well, the president of the Midget Hockey, Mr. Bedard has yet to actually formally contact any of the concerned families or hockey players except through a fax. A very impersonal, casual brush off of very legitimate concerns. I would like to ask the Minister if she would again look a little further into this matter.

I commend her for the work she has done so far, but I believe it is time for the officials involved to come up with some clear straight answers. Do not slag people off. There is a lot at stake here. There are some young people who have devoted a lot of time and effort to take

part in what they thought was a fair and open process. From what I can see, that has not been the case. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 253-13(5): Midget Hockey Selection

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 254-13(5): Termination Benefits For Laidoff Employees

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have been told there is a great deal of disgruntlement from laidoff employees about the administration of their termination benefits. Many are still on strength and I have again been told they feel they have difficulty in notifying and are reluctant to notify their MLAs with these particular problems. Some of these layoffs were expected by the affected employees; some were justified under the judgement of performance and some were a total surprise to the employees. However, all are hurting somewhat.

When they turn to personnel officers to arrange their respective termination, there are issues of unused vacation time, severance pay and length of notice period in which they are still on strength and finally, pension. There are many combinations and permutations of these benefits which vary depending on many factors such as length of service, age, type of layoff et cetera.

There is no central specialist on these benefit issues. Each department's personnel officer is supposed to know the answers. However, they do not. An officer in one department gives one response and contradictory decision comes from another department. For example, can I use part of my severance to extend my service for some months and get the rest of the severance entitlement paid out as cash? One officer says yes. Another says no. You must choose to take severance as a total payout or totally use it up in extending service.

For public servants who have contributed the prime time of their lives to the NWT and are smarting from the method of a layoff, it is insulting to find that the employer does not even know what the provisions of a layoff are. Do the employees from the departments with more knowledgeable personnel officers get better deals? That is a question, Mr. Speaker. No doubt, the personnel officers, themselves, are exasperated and feel threatened for not having the proper answers for irate employees or giving wrong answers.

This is a result of eliminating the Department of Personnel and not retaining the expertise it had in another form, especially with all the pending layoff situations that must have been anticipated. At this vulnerable and confusing point in their lives, the government they have dedicated themselves to is unable to give them the straight information they need to get on with their lives. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 254-13(5): Termination Benefits For Laidoff Employees

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 804

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement 255-13(5): Kitikmeot-based Adult Offenders Camps

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 804

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I listen with intent when the Honourable Goo Arlooktoo made a statement regarding camp for adult offenders. I agree with the Minister when he talks about the need to strike a balance between ensuring public safety and maximizing opportunities for offenders to return to being productive members of society. I also agree when he talks about the meaning of the wonderful thing that the camp will do for the community. However, Mr. Speaker, one area that I have not heard the honourable Minister talk about is a program for the Natilikmiot region.

The honourable Minister talks about and I quote, "over the past year, community members have established eight camps for adult male offenders across the NWT, in cooperation with Correctional Services. Camps are located near Rae Lakes, Pellet Lake, near Lupin Mine, Hay River, Fort Smith, Pond Inlet, Aklavik, Fort McPherson and most recently, Fort Providence." He also talks about programs for Arviat and Pangnirtung. My question is, Mr. Speaker, what about the Natilikmiot region? Do we have the lowest incarceration rate in the NWT or is Natilikmiot a low priority? Where does the Natilikmiot region come in?

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 804

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr.

Roland.

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Member's Statement 256-13(5): Lahm Ridge Tower Transaction

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 805

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I had an opportunity to travel back home to my community of Inuvik and spend time with family as well as individuals of the community. Mr. Speaker, the issue of the Lahm Ridge Tower has been in the air and people have been discussing it for quite a lengthy time. It has gone on and on and on. It is like a record that keeps on bouncing and going back to the same subject.

Mr. Speaker, the people out there, who do not see all the picture or just see part of the picture, are concerned. There was reference made to me about, as a representative of this government, how does it feel to be part of a banana republic? Mr. Speaker, I did not run in a campaign to be stamped, painted and put into this category - not without my own doing anyway. I would say, in reference to when somebody thought it and would put me down, I thought about what we are doing as a government.

On many occasions I have stood up here and talked about the people we represent, the hard job we have done in balancing the budget and trying to move ahead and do the good things the people are expecting of us. It is that kind of situation, Mr. Speaker that, indeed, put us into a bad light. We need to deal with the issue by whatever means, but deal with it and move on with business. I, myself, have listened to many questions and have not taken part, but there are a number of questions I feel need to be answered when I am reviewing all of the information.

There are too much lying and moving around and not being clarified. It is time to get some clarity and deal with the issue and put it to rest. Instead of being referred to as a Banana Republic, we can be referred to as a responsible government that is taking care of some difficult situations and made the right choices to move forward, in that we can truly say the 13th Assembly represented the people of the territories to the best of its ability and made wise and right choices. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 805

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Ms. Thompson .

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Return To Oral Question 281-13(5): Termination Of Northwest Territories Ski Coach

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 805

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Krutko on February 11, 1998, termination of NWT ski coach.

The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs provided $10,000 during 1997-98 for this position. The NWT ski division also obtained funding from Human Resources Canada to support his paid coaching position and expand its programs into 12 communities through a training and employment program for community coaches.

On February 5th, the NWT ski coach received a termination letter from NWT ski division effective immediately. Staff from the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs met with both parties and reviewed the events that led to the termination.

I am advised that the termination provision of the employment contract was followed. The NWT ski division has acted within its authority in terminating this contract and is accountable to its membership for this decision. Thank you.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Return To Oral Question 240-13(5): Lahm Ridge Tower Lease Renewal; 286-13(5): Lahm Ridge Tower Lease Renewal; 304-13(5): Responses To Previous Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 805

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a return to oral questions asked by Mr. Ootes , February 6th, 11th, and 12th, 1998, in regard to Lahm Ridge Tower Lease Renewal.

Mr. Al Marceau did not contact the Department of Public Works and Services within three or four months before July, 1997. Public Works and Services had brief contact with Mr. Marceau and his company in November, 1996 and in January and February, 1997, to confirm the over hold status of the lease.

Departmental officials were not engaged in negotiations about the lease extension or about Lahm Ridge Tower, prior to August 3, 1997 with individuals outside the department other than the owner, Mr. Marceau.

Mr. Speaker, I also have another return to oral questions. This one was asked by Mr. Krutko on February 11, 1998 in regard to the cost of Yellowknife office lease renewals.

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Page 805

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

The renewal costs of the four office leases renewed in Yellowknife in the past two years are as follows:

- Centre Square $4.7 million

- Lahm Ridge Tower $8.9 million

- Northern United Place $12.1 million

- Professional Building $1.5 million

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 805

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 326-13(5): Kitikmeot-based Adult Offenders Camps

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 806

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for my honourable colleague, Mr. Arlooktoo , regarding a camp for adult offenders across the NWT. As I indicated in my Member's statement, when I asked a question, where does the Kitikmeot region stand in all the programs across the NWT? Mr. Speaker, I have stood up in this House in the past talking about a request of Gjoa Haven to have a hunter's camp within the community. I do not know if the Minister was the Minister of the department, but I have, indeed, spoken about this to other Ministers about the request to have the camp for young offenders, especially.

Mr. Speaker, the Hamlet of Gjoa Haven and the public of Gjoa Haven has approached me to request a program. As I noted in my statement earlier, just about every other region has enjoyed such a program except the Kitikmeot region. My question is, where does the Kitikmeot stand, according to the Minister of Justice ? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 806

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Justice , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 806

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The issue of where camps is located is one that I have looked into and it is clear to me that there is a bit of an imbalance of how many camps there are, for example, on the Nunavut side and the western side. There are several reasons for this, but one of the more important ones, one I would suggest, is the lack of a camp near the Kitikmeot communities. Although, I did say there was one in Pellet Lake, which in most peoples' eyes, is in the Kitikmeot.

The communities and the regions need to be more assertive, aggressive and work more closely with the Department of Justice in putting these camps together. I will say to the Member that the Department of Justice is serious in its interest to work with the MLA in the community to see what we can to do make a young offender's camp a reality in the Kitikmeot region. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 806

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Second supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Question 326-13(5): Kitikmeot-based Adult Offenders Camps

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 806

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Pellet Lake does not stand in the middle of Kitikmeot region nor close to my communities of Pelly Bay, Gjoa Haven or Taloyoak. It is closer to the treeline than anywhere else. Mr. Speaker, how soon will the Minister refocus or re-evaluate his priorities? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Question 326-13(5): Kitikmeot-based Adult Offenders Camps

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 806

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can ask the department immediately to look at past correspondence to see what has been discussed so far. There are several things we need to look at. One is the number of suitable offenders, so to speak. You do not want offenders in camps who could be a possible danger to themselves or to others. The other thing is you need the cooperation of the community, and you need suitable candidates to run these camps. I can look into it immediately. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 806

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Question 326-13(5): Kitikmeot-based Adult Offenders Camps

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 806

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When we talked about a need for offenders, I think, at the same time we have to look at a need for victims. My question is, will the Minister communicate with me before the end of the month about his plan? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 806

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The answer is yes I will keep in contact with the Member on that. The other thing we need to keep in mind, when we are talking about these young offenders camps, is the amount of resources that the Department of Justice does or does not have. I do need to point out the fact there are limited funds in the department for this program, but we realize the importance and usefulness of having some classes of offenders to be out, either in camp-style or group home-style situations, rather than in institutions. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 806

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 327-13(5): Clean Up Of Cape Christian

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 806

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated in my Member's statement, Cape Christian is a threat to the safety and environment of Clyde River. My question will be directed to the Honourable Mr. Kakfwi . Can the Minister advise me when will the cleanup of Cape Christian and coast guard station be completed? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 806

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 806

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not have the specific information available to me at this time. I will take the question as notice and get back to the Member. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 328-13(5): Termination Benefits For Laidoff Employees

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 806

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today, I spoke about the difficulties those laidoff individuals from this government are having. My question will be for the Premier as the Minister responsible for the Executive . Could the Premier tell us if there is one document which is available to the

personnel officers that would cover all the benefit options available to laidoff employees?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take the question as notice and I will have the Minister get back to the Member. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 329-13(5): Midget Hockey Selection Process

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 807

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is going to be addressed to the Premier in regard to the hockey selection process in the South Slave. As I indicated in my Member's statement, unfortunately, this is the third time I have brought this issue up in the House. The Minister has made every reasonable attempt to, in fact, get information, but I do not believe the organizations that are involved have given her the information she needs to clearly reply to the families and hockey players involved. I wrote another letter to the Minister this morning.

I would like to ask the Premier if he could commit to ensuring that the organizations provide the proper information, so the Minister can respond, hopefully, to these families and hockey players and this matter can finally be put to rest. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When Members ask for information and when Members ask for answers to their questions we do take those requests seriously. I will work with the Minister of MACA to get as much information that is there for the Member. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 329-13(5): Midget Hockey Selection Process

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Premier for that commitment. The issue is not so much that I require information. It is the families and hockey players in the South Slave, who have been affected by this particular process, who require information and answers. I am asking, could the Premier and Minister encourage the organizations involved to actually take the time to talk to these people? They have received, so far, just one fax. There has been no other formal contact that I am aware of and it seems very unfortunate that organizations do not take the time to solve these problems. Instead, it is left to forums such as this. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Through the Minister of MACA we will make that request, and it is better that the organizations involved deal directly with the parents and the people involved. I know the Member is raising the issue on behalf of his constituents. I commend him for that and we will work with the Minister to work with the organizations that are involved to deal directly with the parents and the players who have been affected. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 330-13(5): Aklavik Proposal For An Adult Offenders Camp

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Justice , Goo Arlooktoo . It is in relation to the camps for adult offenders. Mr. Speaker, I believe it was last year and the year before, there were funds allocated to the communities of Aklavik and Fort Resolution for such a camp which were approved by this government. It was recognized in the budget, but yet, it was cancelled by to the previous Minister. I see the same alternative is being put forth again.

In light of this initiative, where money has already been spent in the planning and proposal stage from the community of Aklavik to the Knut Lang camp, I would ask the Minister of Justice , will he consider relooking at that proposal of this new initiative, in which, I believe, work has already been done? Can the Minister tell me if he will consider reinstating that proposal?

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Justice , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member did mention this all occurred before I became Minister of Justice , but that aside, the camps that I spoke about for adult offenders in my statement were relatively low cost, unsophisticated bush camp types, as opposed to the facilities that were at one point planned for Aklavik and Fort Resolution, that were unfortunate victims of the cuts we made at the beginning of our Assembly. I would have to do some research on what further thought has been put into those facilities. I do know the situation with funding is still not good. We still have not received an influx of capital dollars. It would be quite difficult. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the whole area of cost saving to this government, this probably will be a cost-saving initiative where a lot of inmates and young offenders are sent to southern facilities, because we do not have any facilities

in the Inuvik region for such an event. There has been $50,000 spent with regard to the whole proposal to date. There has been a proposal drafted which it was approved by the Department of Justice at one time. I would like to ask the Minister again, in light of the consideration of looking at saving money for this government, would he consider relooking at this proposal with the possibility of a new method of dealing with inmates, keeping them at home, because of the cultural aspect he made reference to in his statement? It is important to keep the people as close to home as possible.

Will the Minister consider relooking at this and if it is a question of cost, can he sit down with the different parties to try to resolve that?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Two questions. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is important to note that it is a consensus amongst most people, it is better for a portion of offenders that they do not spend time in institutions, depending on the severity of their criminal acts and the danger they pose to themselves or to the public. If we cannot keep them out of institutions and assist them in turning their lives around elsewhere, that is the way to go. The issue of a facility for Inuvik or Mackenzie Delta is one that I saw in briefings which have been brought up on quite a number of occasions through the years by the Member, by the MLA for Inuvik and by others.

The Department of Justice has been putting together a review of what to do with the situation. Of course, you always have balances set up with the resources at hand, but I can tell the House that we are expecting a report to be made available to myself by the end of this month that will look at the whole area of young offenders' facilities and their locations. Members may know that the young offender's facility in Hay River requires replacement due to safety concerns and the replacement or possible relocation is something I am prepared to look at. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In light of the overcrowding and amount of hours guards and inmates, we are seeing a real increase in the number of inmates. I think that is one alternative this government can look at, in savings, due to increases we are seeing in the budget regarding overtime for the guards. This is one way that you stimulate the economy of the Beaufort Delta. Mr.

Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister if he can seriously consider looking at this proposal and considering there will be savings in the long-run and considering the increased costs to this government in regard to the number of inmates we have in our facilities now, would he take that into consideration and put a serious effort to look at this proposal?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Certainly, the cost benefit comparison is one the government always looks at. Rather than taking this question as notice, I think it would be best in our budget review process. The Department of Justice is next on the order paper. I would be pleased to discuss this in further detail during that process. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 331-13(5): Available Office Space

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 808

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement, I made reference to the Lahm Ridge Tower and us, as Members, being referred to, as representing a banana republic. I should tell that person maybe it is like a snowflake republic. No bananas in this country. Mr. Speaker, we have heard many questions and we have heard some answers and we have skirted around the issue time and time again. I would like to address the question to the Minister of Public Works and Services .

It is in reference to the office space that we have available, surplus office space of 75,000 square feet and Lahm Ridge Tower having office space of 45,000 square feet. Hearing the Minister, in the past, say this has been a good business decision, that we are saving money, my question is, in that 75,000 square feet, that we are already leasing, already paying for, is it a true net savings, when we could have moved people into some available space, instead of signing another agreement that costs this government $1.2 million a year? Would there be a savings by moving them across into some of this available space?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, no, there will not be a net saving. We have some office spaces that are surplus, however, there are pockets of them throughout the whole lease arrangements in Yellowknife. We have about 11 leases for different buildings. Yes, we do have surplus space, but there are pockets of them all over the place. Lahm Ridge Tower contains all of the Education, Culture and Employment (ECE) offices and the Department of Transportation's

section of the administration. If we had vacated Lahm Ridge Tower, then we would have had to split up these two departments into little pockets all over the place in Yellowknife to fill these surplus places.

Since the Government of the Northwest Territories had occupied Lahm Ridge Tower, we have put a lot of money into tenant improvements, carpets and so forth. We would have lost that, plus moving. In the long-run we would not have had any net savings by disrupting two existing program deliverers and moving them into pockets of those spaces throughout Yellowknife. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are two departments in Lahm Ridge right now, Education, Culture and Employment, as well as, Transportation. Splitting those departments up, there is no available space within our surplus office space arrangement we have right now? If you took Education, Culture, you could not put them into one area or Transportation into another? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is correct. Again, we have surplus spaces throughout the office leases in Yellowknife, but not one that is large enough to take in existing office spaces in Lahm Ridge Tower. Let us say for Education, Culture and Employment or the Department of Transportation, we would have had to further split them up in order to accommodate them in the surplus spaces. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 332-13(5): Previous Assurances Regarding Unsigned Note

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be for the Premier . I still have some concerns and questions about the Premier 's response, the other day to Mrs. Groenewegen , regarding his certainty that no Cabinet Member sent an unsigned note to her. Could the Premier tell us, is the Premier 's certainty that no Cabinet Minister wrote the note, based solely on his query of each Member? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I will rule the question out of order. The question has been asked already, and it has been answered. The question is out of order. Mr. Ootes , do you have another question?

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I do, Mr. Speaker. I have a question along the same lines, Mr. Speaker. The note is a very serious matter because the Member from Hay River perceived it to be intimidating and could possibly lead her to be reluctant to ask questions along the lines she was pursuing. My question is, is the Premier prepared to commit to further explain and back up his comment, I have never been more sure of anything in my life? What does the Premier base this comment on?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Do you wish to respond?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have been a Member of this Legislative Assembly for about ten years. I have been a Member of Cabinet for six. I have been a human being now for 47 years. One thing I have learned, no matter what it was, diamond drilling, truck driving or whatever I did in my life, I have learned to take men and women at face value. I have the greatest of confidence in my Cabinet. I have the greatest of confidence in their honesty and their ability to carry out their job to represent the Northwest Territories.

When I ask them a straightforward question, they give me an answer and I could say that I believe the answer and I can say in no uncertain terms that I believe in the Members of my Cabinet when they gave me that answer. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I understand what the Premier is saying, but is he prepared to put up his reputation and position behind this strong position?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

I will resign tomorrow.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I am sorry, Mr. Morin , I did not recognize you. Could you for the record Mr. Morin , repeat your response please?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If this Member or any other Member can prove one of my Cabinet Ministers wrote that note, you will have my resignation the same day. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 334-13(5): Interjurisdictional Water Management

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 809

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is addressed to the Minister of RWED . It is in relation to the Mackenzie River Basin Board and Secretariat that has been structured and set up to implement the agreement that was signed between the Northwest Territories, Yukon, British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan. Could the Minister indicate what is happening in terms of structuring of the board and when they will, in fact, start doing business and implementing all the necessary steps to become a functional entity? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you. Mr. Chairman, we are under discussion presently with the other jurisdictions, with the other governments to designate certain officials within the governments that would be appointed to this board and to start formulating and drafting some ideas on how to go about the business of setting up the secretariat and a work plan for that

new creature we are going to set up. Specific details will be available to Members probably in the next couple of weeks. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate whether at this point he is satisfied with what has transpired? This agreement, will it be able to be implemented to protect the interests of the Northwest Territories and the vast river and water systems we have within our boundaries? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, we are satisfied with the progress that we have made with our neighbouring jurisdictions over the last decade, culminating in the agreements that we have reached to date. It is commendable on the part of these neighbouring jurisdictions that they would make the kind of effort they have, to come to the agreement that we have reached to date to work together, to share resources, expertise and to share the responsibility and management of all the waters that flow between our jurisdictions to ensure that all of us can, in the future, look to responsible action on the part of governments for ensuring good quality water to all our residents in the jurisdictions involved. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, I was informed, when it comes to public safety inspections, home inspection by the fire marshal's office in our community by local fire fighters, pardon me Mr. Speaker, that all the public units were inspected except the private dwellings. It was indicated that all the public units are inspected routinely and private dwellings are inspected only at the request of the owner of the public dwelling. Mr. Speaker, are we categorizing safety? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It probably is the case in the small communities where the public housing stock is inspected yearly for fire hazards and other hazards. The Member raises an excellent concern. I will take it up with the Minister responsible that we should have a program in our communities where homeowners can also request inspections from the fire marshal. It is available, but maybe it is not made public enough. We should make the public aware and we would be pleased to work with the Member on that issue. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Everyone will realize that when it comes to public safety, whether you are living in public dwelling or private dwelling, that it is routine. I do not think that a person living in the private dwelling should have to make a request. Every home should be inspected at the same time on a yearly basis. Will the Minister inform the House that private dwellings will also be inspected during the time when public dwellings are being inspected? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not believe the government has the authority to go into any person's home to inspect it for hazards. They have to be requested into a person's home to do that. I will check into it because I know some years back in Yellowknife they had a deal where the fire fighters, on your request, would come and inspect your home for you and let you know what the deficiencies were in your home so you could get them fixed. Maybe that would be the best approach in our small communities as well, but I will check with the Minister and have him work with the Member to solve this issue, as well as, any other Members if they so choose. Thank you.

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Question 336-13(5): Rcmp Attendance At The Legislature

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in late January I had occasion to meet with two members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, commercial crime division, in my office. This attendance at the Legislature by these members raised the concern of someone because it is my understanding that it precipitated correspondence between someone in this Legislature and the RCMP as to the rule, convention or protocol concerning the RCMP entering on the premises of the Legislative Assembly. Mr. Speaker, what I would like to ask the Minister of Justice today is, if he knows who wrote the letter or contacted the RCMP regarding this protocol? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Justice , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would have to do some research on that one. I do not believe it is my

duty or would be right for me to make suggestions as to who may have written the note. I probably do, but it would not be right for me to say here on the floor of the House. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Actually, what I am referring to is correspondence with the RCMP with respect to the issue of this Legislature's rule, convention or protocol with respect to RCMP members entering the premises of the Legislative Assembly. If there is such a rule, I, as an Ordinary Member, am not aware of it and, obviously, the RCMP must not have been aware of it. There was some correspondence made to clarify this issue and I would like to know if the Minister is aware of that correspondence and whom it originated from? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the question has been clarified. The RCMP was not requested by the government to come into the Assembly. It was not Members or the GNWT in general that raised the issue of concern of the RCMP coming into the House. It is all I can say. This was not a concern of the government then and we did not raise it. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my understanding that subsequent to this initial correspondence between someone, we do not know who, and the RCMP, there was a subsequent meeting between members of the RCMP and officials in the Department of Justice. Is the Minister saying he is unaware of this meeting between his officials and the RCMP regarding this protocol or convention? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Can I ask the Member for Hay River if you could rephrase your question please?

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

I will try and rephrase this Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, concern was raised by someone with respect to the protocol of RCMP entering the premises of the Legislative Assembly while the House was sitting. I do not know, as an Ordinary Member, if in fact, there is any rule. I called the RCMP. I asked the RCMP here. If I broke a rule or protocol, I want to know what the rule is. If they broke a rule or protocol, I want to know what it is. I am telling you, I know that subsequently to that meeting, senior officials of the Department of Justice met with the RCMP to discuss this. Is the Minister aware of this?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are dealing with some rumour and misinformation. The facts, as I understand them to be, are a note was passed to the Member for Hay River , a note that did not come from the government side nor from any Minister. I understand the Member for Hay River called the RCMP in to investigate whether a Minister did or did not and that is the reason they were here as I understand it. The Department of Justice has no authority or any control over the way the RCMP conducts its investigation. In fact, on the contrary, we make sure we stay out of any perception that we may be interfering with their investigations.

The prosecution side of justice belongs in the hands of the federal government. They have their own shop here in Yellowknife and they deal with that side. The Government of the Northwest Territories has nothing to do with that. I understand from the Member's question that someone, here again we do not know who, was concerned with the fact that the RCMP came here to the Legislative Assembly. Again, that was not the government. The government was not the someone. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister refers to knowing that I called the RCMP. I just said I called the RCMP. As to the content of my meeting, I would be very curious to know how he knows what the content of the meeting was because I certainly did not offer what was discussed. However, the Minister has explained that it was to talk about a note that I received. Mr. Speaker, is the Minister of Justice aware of any rule, convention or protocol that would preclude me as a Member from conducting a conversation with RCMP members on this premises while the House is sitting? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I could clarify once again, why or how I knew what the RCMP was here for, I understand that I, as the Minister of Justice , was accused of having written the note and therefore the RCMP contacted me to investigate whether I did or not, and I did not. That is why I knew. I want to clarify again, the rules of protocol for the House of the RCMP going in the House, that is the domain of the Speaker and the Speaker's authority and not the government. That needs to be very clear. Thank you.

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Question 337-13(5): Agreement For Coaching Training

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Manitok Thompson . It is in relation to a return to an oral question regarding the termination of the NWT ski coach. My question to the Minister is, in light of the work that has been done to date with the communities and training of coaches through a funding agreement with Human Resources Canada, what assurances can the Minister give me that the agreement which has been signed where funds have been given to implement the training and employment program for community coaches will be concluded and carried out to its fullest?

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Samuel Gargan

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs provides $10,000 to the ski division board of directors and the board of directors finds other funds somewhere else. In this case, they found some funds from Human Resources Canada to maintain the training programs. It is within their authority to make sure that the programs are running as smoothly as possible. I have every confidence in this board of directors that they are doing that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In light of the outcry from the communities, it seems like it is a question of the service that has been provided by this individual because they have seen someone who has shown an interest in the communities, who does not just look on Yellowknife as the ski capital of the north but looks at all communities and tries to treat them fairly. That is the biggest concern the communities have. They want to ensure they are treated fairly and have people there who will give them the service and time they need to ensure the ski programs go on.

Can the Minister assure me that her Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, in light of the money that has been given from this government, will continue to ensure that this service is provided to all communities, not just Yellowknife?

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will have my staff ensure that all the communities are treated fairly by this division. Thank you.

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Question 338-13(5): Lahm Ridge Tower Purchase

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not exactly sure who to refer my questions to, but I will refer them to the Premier , regarding something Mr. Roland brought up earlier. I am also getting rumblings from my constituency, that a lot of time is being used here for issues that can be discussed elsewhere. We may run into extra costs at a later date because of the extra time needed. One of the issues, of course, that has been taking a lot of time is Lahm Ridge Tower and its relation to the Aurora Fund.

There still is the misconception out there, I think it is a misconception, that the Aurora Fund was somehow involved with the purchase of the Lahm Ridge Tower building. I would like to know if the Premier could indicate, once and for all, whether the Aurora Fund was in any way related to the purchase of the Lahm Ridge Tower building?

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Thank you. Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Aurora Fund, we have tabled in this House, all the loans that are given out by that fund. There is no loan from the Aurora Fund for the purchase of Lahm Ridge Tower. Through the chronological order of events and hundreds of questions the Ministers answered on this issue and all the information he has given to this House, unless there are some other issues that arise, it is very clear Lahm Ridge Tower was financed by a bank or a financing company. It was financed privately. It was not financed through the Aurora Fund. Pacific Western financed Lahm Ridge Tower. Thank you.