Debates of May 26th, 2022

This is page numbers 4271 - 4300 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Northwest Territories Community Flood Response

Premier Absent from the House

K'atl'odeeche First Nation Flood Appreciation

Dempster Highway

Northwest Territories Power Corporation Power Rates

Hay River Flood

Climate Change

Youth Parliament 2022

Mining Regulations

Mental Health Crisis

Eulogy for Dan Marion

Retirement of Mike Canney

Return to Oral Question 1067 - 19(2): Mike Zubko Airport Expansion Project

Return to Oral Question 1075-19(2): Knowledge of Joint Venture and Indigenous Government

Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Mining REgulations

Northwest Territories Power Corporation Power Rates

K'atl'odeeche First Nation Flood

Hay River Flood

Housing

Dempster Highway

Housing

Climate Change

Child and Youth Counsellors

Written Question 42-19(2): Negotiated Contracts

Return to Written Question 40-19(2): Housing Expenditures in Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Return to Written Question 41-19(2): Inuvik Airport Expansion project

Bill 40:

An Act to Amend the Medical Profession Act

Bill 46:

An Act to Amend the Motor Vehicles Act

Bill 47:

An Act to Amend the Employment Standards Act, No. 2

Standing Committee on Government Operations 29-19(2): Report on the Review of the Languages Commissioner for the Northwest Territories Annual Report 2020-2021

Tabled Document 637-19(2): Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 905-19(2): COVID-19 Community Mental Health Resources

Tabled Document 638-19(2): Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 898-19(2): Internet Access to Students

Tabled Document 639-19(2): Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 904-19(2): Emerging Stronger and Economic Recovery

Tabled Document 640-19(2): Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 962-19(2): Emerging Stronger - GNWT Economic Recovery Plan

Tabled Document 641-19(2): Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 1005-19(2): Fuel Costs

Tabled Document 642-19(2): Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 1024-19(2): Regulation Making in the NWT

Tabled Document 643-19(2): Follow-up Letter for Oral Question1027-19(2): Ukraine Support

Tabled Document 644-19(2): Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 932-19(2): Housing

Tabled Document 645-19(2): Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 933-19(2): Housing Partnerships

Tabled Document 646-19(2): Housing Expenditures in the Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh Communities

Tabled Document 647-19(2): Government of the NWT Response to Committee Report 22-19(2): Report on Telecommunications

Tabled Document 648-19(2): Government of the NWT Response to Committee Report 23-19(2): Report on the Review of the 2018-19 and 2019-20 PuBlic Accounts

Tabled Document 649-19(2): Government of the NWT Response to Committee Report 21-19(2): Report on the Government of the Northwest Territories Approach to the Mining Regime Fiscal Review

Tabled Document 650-19(2): Northwest Territories Business Development and Investment Corporation 2022-23 Corporate Plan

Tabled Document 651-19(2): Annual Report 2021-2022 NWT Office of the Regulator of Oil and Gas Operations

Tabled Document 652-19(2): Northwest Territories Legislative Assembly Pension Administration Report - Retiring Allowances Act and Supplementary Retiring Allowances Act

Notice of Motion 53-19(2): Appointments to the Standing Committees on Social Development and Government Operations

Bill 52: Elevators and Lifts Act

Bill 53:

An Act to Amend the Liquor Act

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Diane Archie , Hon. Frederick Blake Jr., Mr. Bonnetrouge , Hon. Paulie Chinna , Ms. Cleveland , Hon. Julie Green , Mr. Johnson , Ms. Martselos , Ms. Nokleby , Mr. O'Reilly , Ms. Semmler , Hon. R.J. Simpson , Mr. Rocky Simpson , Hon. Shane Thompson , Hon. Caroline Wawzonek , Ms. Weyallon-Armstrong.

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

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The Speaker

Frederick Blake Jr.

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Legislative Assembly. With the easing of COVID-19 restrictions, we have returned to our usual Chambers setup and operations. Our gallery is open to the public. We are able to increase the number of interpreters here. We will be providing

interpretation into Chipewyan, Tlicho, North Slave, South Slave, Inuvialuktun, and French this sitting. Please join me in thanking our interpreters for their dedication and important work that they do in preserving, strengthening, and honouring our official languages.

---Applause

Colleagues, we have removed the extra tables from the Chamber. You have returned to your normal seats, and I am pleased to welcome pages back to the chambers.

It is an honour to share this space with our youth. They are our future. Please join me in welcoming our pages back. Mahsi.

---Applause

Not only are we welcoming youth into this Chambers as pages for this sitting, but we also recently hosted our 18th Youth Parliament. I know many of you have had the opportunity to meet our youth parliamentarians, many of you volunteered your time to serve as pages during our Youth Parliament session, or watched online or from the gallery.

It is wonderful to hear youth read their Members' and Ministers' statements and to move and debate motions on topics are for which they clearly had great interest and passion. It is also exciting to hear them speak our official languages.

Colleagues, I want to congratulate and thank Koby Elanik who represented the Mackenzie Delta and served as speaker for our Youth Parliament. He did a great job. It was an honour to have you take my chair.

The youth are our future and based on what we seen and heard during the 18th Youth Parliament, I am confident our future is in good hands.

Colleagues, as you know the territory has experienced flooding again this spring. I know many people have been affected by the flooding, especially in Sambaa K'e, K'atl'odeeche First Nation, West Point Nation, and Hay River. I also know that other communities, including Aklavik, are currently preparing for possible flooding. I want to thank the community leaders for the efforts they are making to prepare for and minimize the impacts of any flooding that may occur. We are resilient people who help each other during times of need. That's part of what makes the Northwest Territories such a wonderful place to call home.

Finally, I would like to thank the Prince of Wales and and Duchess of Cornwall for their recent visit to the Northwest Territories during their recent Canadian tour. I know that some of you had the opportunity to meet the Prince and Duchess while they were here, and I know that many people in Dettah and Yellowknife were honoured and excited to have had the opportunity to host such important guests.

Now colleagues it is my duty to advise the House that I have received the following message from the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories. It reads:

Dear Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise that I recommend to the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories the passage of Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2022-2023; and Supplementary Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures), No. 1, 2022-2023 during the second session of the 19th Legislative Assembly. Yours Truly, Margaret M. Thom, Commissioner.

Thank you, colleagues.

Ministers' statements. Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs .

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Minister's Statement 243-19(2): Northwest Territories Community Flood Response

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to begin by saying that I, along with several of my Cabinet colleagues, had the privilege of visiting both the town of Hay River, K'atl'odeeche First Nation, and West Point First Nation, earlier this week to observe the damage caused by this year's flooding in the South Slave region. I want to thank Mayor Jameson and Chief Martel for inviting and hosting us on our tours around your communities. Thanks also to MLAs Bonnetrouge and both MLA Simpson for accompanying us and demonstrating leadership for your communities.

It was eye opening to see the hundreds of homes, businesses, and other infrastructure that have been damaged and, in some cases, lost to the flood. For many residents, the cleanup work is just beginning, and from the conversations I had with many people on the ground, I know they understand that the full recovery will be a long and exhausting process.

I want residents to know that the Government of the Northwest Territories is here to assist you and your communities with this recovery work. Municipal and Community Affairs staff are already on the ground and meeting with residents to discuss their needs, provide support, and are working diligently to assess the damage to every home, business, building, and property.

Mr. Speaker, today I also want to speak about the collaborative action that was taken by hundreds of people over the past few weeks to help those affected by this flood. During these unimaginable difficult days, we have seen examples after examples of neighbors helping neighbors and communities helping communities -- From the absolutely heroic efforts of residents, who risked their own safety to rescue others from the flood waters, and to those who have gone above and beyond to provide care and comfort to evacuees. I want to recognize the contribution made by so many residents to help those in need.

I would also like to thank the communities of Enterprise, Fort Providence, Fort Resolution, Fort Smith, and Yellowknife for all their work in making a very difficult time a little bit easier for evacuees. I would also like to thank all the people, businesses, and organizations who made donations of time, goods, food, and money to the residents of the affected communities.

I visited the evacuation centre in Yellowknife several times and heard nothing but deep appreciation for the generous contribution, and I also know that this was the case in evacuation centres in other communities as well.

Mr. Speaker, communities are the frontline for emergency management. I want to acknowledge the quick and effective response of the Town of Hay River and the K'atl'odeeche First Nation. The leadership shown by the mayor and chief and their teams, as well as by their local emergency management organizations made a critical difference in responding to such a large-scale disaster event.

Lessons learned from the 2021 flood season helped us to be more prepared this year. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs launched a 'Be Ready' campaign before the start of spring breakup this year. This campaign provides residents and community governments with information on preparedness, flood risk, and disaster assistance. It included printable checklists, links to flood readiness videos, guidance about what to do when going home, and how to navigate disaster assistance.

The Disaster Assistance Policy was updated to better support those affected by disasters. Eligibility for disaster assistance has expanded to include non-profit organizations, commercial hunters, trappers, and other harvesters of natural resources. The maximum amount of assistance has increased from 80 to 90 percent of eligible costs, and a total payable amount available to residents, small businesses, and non-profit has increased from $100,000 to $240,000. Under the new policy, the maximum payable amount has been removed entirely for the community governments.

We are also in the process of enhancing our emergency management team. Having more staff in our regional offices and in headquarters to work closely with community governments and residents, helping everyone to prepare for and respond to and recover from natural disasters.

The recovery work required after a flood of this magnitude will take time, and we ask for your patience as our government continues to support the ongoing recovery efforts. To the residents in the affected communities, we know this has been an extraordinary difficult time for you and your family. I want you to know that our government will continue to work hard with your community governments to ensure that you remain safe and have the support you need. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 243-19(2): Northwest Territories Community Flood Response

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The Speaker

Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Ministers' statements. Deputy Premier

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Minister's Statement 244-19(2): Premier Absent from the House

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise the House that the Honourable Caroline Cochrane will be absent from the House for today and tomorrow to attend the Western Premier 's Conference in Saskatchewan. Quyananni, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, deputy Premier . Ministers' statements. Members' statements. Member for Deh Cho .

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Member's Statement 1079-19(2): K'atl'odeeche First Nation Flood Appreciation

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Ronald Bonnetrouge

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Colleagues, welcome back to the House.

Mr. Speaker, Wednesday, May 11th, 2022, will be a day many residents of K'atl'odeeche First Nation and the Town of Hay River will remember for a long time. The waters the Hay River had been consistently rising during the day and into the evening. Chief April Martel had posted a Facebook video showing the water levels creeping inland at the community arbor area. It had come in about a thousand feet inland from the arbor and the arbor is close to the riverbank. Water was affecting many homes near the riverbanks and was, in fact, moving some houses, many sheds, numerous items that were strewn throughout many yards.

The KFN fire chief pulled the fire siren to warn of an immediate evacuation of all residents of KFN. This was at approximately 11 o'clock at night. Darkness was already setting in, and the Chief was the last to leave the reserve. Chief April Martel is a young woman leader and showed great resolve to ensure the safety of her membership. She's to be commended for her actions.

Chief April Martel, being modest, wishes to thank the many KFN residents who stepped up to assist in any way to ensure many of the residents, including the elderly, were out of harm's way; fire chief Michael Sunrise and assistant fire chief Derrick Fabian for sounding the alarm. This in fact was heard many on the new town side and warned them of impending danger.

The safety of the Dene Wellness Centre was compromised due to its proximity to the river and rising waters and rushing ice which were crashing and breaking the trees on the riverbank. Many of the residents with vehicles assisted to move everyone to safety at the Hamlet of Enterprise and to other communities. Many had not slept all night, including the Chief who was concerned for her membership's well-being. Many volunteers stayed to main a truck stop into the reserve where they had set up a couple of campers.

I, along with the Chief of the K'atl'odeeche First Nation, send sincere appreciation and many thanks to all surrounding communities who put up KFN Members and provided assistance and food.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement, mahsi.

---Unanimous consent granted

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker, and mahsi, colleagues.

Mahsi cho to the GNWT for the swift actions in securing accommodations and meals for many of the evacuees of this devastating flood. Mahsi Cho to Fort Resolution, Fort Smith, Enterprise, Fort Providence, Yellowknife, and Hay River. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Deh Cho . Members' statements. Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes .

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Member's Statement 1080-19(2): Dempster Highway

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Lesa Semmler

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, first of all, I want to say I am glad to be back in the House to be able to represent the constituents of Inuvik. I also want to give my condolences and my thoughts and prayers to all of those who are affected by the floods and, you know, thinking of the families in Aklavik that are watching the water now, as well.

As a resident of Inuvik for pretty much my entire life, the only way out by road is the Dempster Highway. This 740-kilometer gravel highway from Inuvik to Dawson Corner is our lifeline for our basic needs like food, heating fuel, and building supplies. When the residents of the Northwest Territories drive this highway, from my community and from my region, it is not for leisure travel for the most part. It is used to harvest and to make the journey to Whitehorse or further south for supplies.

The NWT/Yukon border to Inuvik is 272 kilometers and over the past three decades, since I can remember driving up and down that road myself, the road to the border has continuously been worked on and widened.

When driving this highway beginning from the Yukon, you first cross a single-lane wooden bridge, which impacts what can come up this highway.

We are in a housing crisis and modular homes and manufactured homes are one way to try to alleviate this crisis but we can't even truck anything wider than 14 feet up that road, which are not common sizes for modulars any longer.

Over the last couple years, I have traveled this road especially when returning home from session. This is a three-day travel for myself and my husband when we do travel this. This road is at the end of its life once you hit the Dempster. It hasn't been widened until you hit the NWT/Yukon border.

The NWT has been advocating for funding from the feds over the years to widen the NWT

section of the highway but it appears to me that this is not a Yukon priority to advocate for their side as it does not lead to any of their communities. So the road remains narrow with little or no gravel to cover the remainder of this 468 kilometers from the NWT border, which is if dire need of repair. And I am sure the Speaker and some Members in this House have traveled that road as well.

When I asked a previous Minister of Infrastructure about the Dempster Highway, she replied to me in this House on Friday, June 12th, 2020 "I have lots of conversations with my counterpart in the Yukon who is also very keen to see the Dempster rehabilitated and we have discussed that with the federal government." I sure hope that this Minister, who I know travels this road, as she too is from the Beaufort Delta, has continued to have these discussions with our Yukon neighbour to push the federal government for funds to repair and rehabilitate the 468 kilometer

section through the Yukon and the single-lane bridge as well as other bridges that need repair.

I will have questions for the Minister responsible for Infrastructure on this. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes . Members' statements. Member for Thebacha .

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Member's Statement 1081-19(2): Northwest Territories Power Corporation Power Rates

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Frieda Martselos

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also would like to welcome back our colleagues. Nice to be sitting again in such nice weather.

Mr. Speaker, at the end of the last session in March, the NWT Power Corporation had submitted an interim rate application to increase the power rates in the Taltson zone. 10 percent in the first year and another 10 percent in the second year in electricity rates.

Thankfully, the NWT Public Utilities Board is the neutral body that determines rate increases in the NWT, and they decided to increase power rates by 2.5 percent in all communities and regions in the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, for NTPC attempting to single out the Taltson zone with a 10 percent increase in both years in power is not okay, especially for Fort Smith where the Taltson Dam is situated in and around the traditional lands of multiple First Nations and Metis people. I don't believe it is right to increase the power rates to such a high amount for people whose traditional territory is where the dam sits.

Mr. Speaker, last month the premier and cabinet visited Fort Smith, and at every meeting they went to, the power rate increases were front and centre as the main concern as a main concern for the constituents. Everyone in Fort Smith was opposed to a 10 percent increase in power rates, including the Town, the Salt River First Nation, the Fort Smith Metis Council, and the Fort Smith Seniors' Society, among others.

In fact, the Town of Fort Smith along with the Town of Hay River sent a jointly written letter to the Public Utilities Board urging them not to disproportionately burden residents in the Taltson zone with a 10 percent power rate increase. There was also a private Fort Smith business who sent a written submission to the Public Utilities Board voicing similar concerns about the rates.

Ultimately, Mr. Speaker, NTPC only wants power rates increased because they are experiencing a shortfall in revenues. So they need more money to cover the various costs of providing electricity across the NWT. According to a 2012 report on the cost pressures of NTPC, the Taltson Dam generates between 5 and 8 megawatts of surplus energy each year.

So what is NTPC doing with all the surplus electricity? Surplus power has got to be used more efficiently and effectively by NTPC so they can be in a better financial position in order to prevent an increase in costs on to the consumer. We have the surplus of power, yet no innovation to better harness and utilize it.

Mr. Speaker, with the increasing costs of living and the historic levels of inflation we're experiencing, it is extremely important that our government continues to find positive solutions to ensure that the people of the NWT can make ends meet on all their household bills, including electricity.

I will have questions for the Minister responsible for NTPC at the appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Thebacha . Members' statements. Member for Hay River South .

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Member's Statement 1082-19(2): Hay River Flood

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Rocky Simpson

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as you are aware, homes, businesses, and infrastructure in the Town of Hay River, K'atl'odeeche, West Point First Nation, along with a home in Enterprise and one at Riverwood's subdivision, were severely impacted by flooding, with what may well be unprecedented levels of ice and water for the area.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to acknowledge the effort and action by the Hay River emergency measures organization for the work they did to ensure all residents were evacuated safely with no loss of life.

Mr. Speaker, in addition to the EMO, it is important to recognize the many individuals and businesses who provided financial support, food, clothing, equipment, fuel, accommodations, transportation and for that support I say thank you.

We must also recognize the Hamlet of Enterprise, Town of Fort Smith, Hamlet of Fort Providence, Hamlet of Fort Resolution, the City of Yellowknife, and others who opened up their communities and provided temporary accommodation, meals, and other support to the many evacuees, their families and pets during this stressful time.

Mr. Speaker, this event was the perfect storm. In addition to large amounts of ice and high water levels throughout the Hay River watershed, we had snow, freezing temperatures, and a nighttime evacuation, all which contributed to the making for a dangerous event. The devastation and extent of damage was not limited to ice and water but that of sewer backups, loss of access to potable water, and electricity.

Mr. Speaker, to really comprehend the extent of damage one had to see it in real time and, most importantly, listen to the stories of those who were impacted.

Mr. Speaker, the effects of this flood is just setting in as residents now have time to reflect on the aftermath. I have spoken to many residents who are appreciative of the quick deployment of pathfinders and assessors by Municipal and Community Affairs. However, those who have submitted applications under the Disaster Assistance Policy and had their property assessed are now asking what is next in the process.

For those that have completely lost their homes due to extensive flood damage are concerned that the changes to the policy, while a move in the right direction, is not indicative of real replacement costs of homes. In the past two years, the cost of labour and material has risen considerably.

Mr. Speaker, when it is costing this government well over half a million dollars to deliver new public housing units, the $240,000 is inadequate, deficient, and an insult to those who find themselves with limited negotiating power and now may well need a mortgage to rebuild.

Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister of MACA at the appropriate time.

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The Speaker

Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Hay River South . Members' statements. Member for Yellowknife North .

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Member's Statement 1083-19(2): Climate Change

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Rylund Johnson

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Every once in a while, in this House, I like to plagiarize a statement from one of my former predecessors partly because, you know, a lot of the issues in this House require consistent advocacy, and sometimes you just can't say it better yourself. And today, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to deliver a statement from my predecessor Jaydence White of Youth Parliament, the Member for Yellowknife North , who did a great job in this House, and I believe that statement bears repeating.

Mr. Speaker, there is a climate crisis in the world. The Government of the Northwest Territories was one of the first in Canada to include climate change considerations in high-level decision-making. Despite this, no considerable action has been made towards a solution. This is a subject that many worry about. Seasons are changing. Winters are becoming shorter, and summers are reaching temperature records. In August of 2021, Yellowknife hit its record for the highest temperature of 32.6 degrees Celsius.

Mr. Speaker, public image seems to be more important to those in power that rather than a healthy sustainable future. Former GNWT staff reported leaving their positions due to a lack of support and feeling burnt out from their hard efforts not making a difference. We need to look at the big picture. Prioritize and support staff that are passionate and qualified in climate change. More action is needed. This should be a top concern. We need to secure a viable future for everyone.

Mr. Speaker, there is no sugar coating this. Substantive action must be taken. This could be done through creating more bike lanes, creating incentive programs for residents to reduce vehicle traffic, and having more sources of renewable power. We need to save our earth before it's too late. We still have time to make a difference, but action must be taken now.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank Jaydence White for her great advocacy in the Yellowknife North role, and I will have questions today for the Minister of Infrastructure as they relate to our work on climate change. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North . Members' statements. Member for Kam Lake .

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Member's Statement 1084-19(2): Youth Parliament 2022

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, growing up in the North, I was never interested in politics. My view was antiquated with visions of smoke filled back rooms full of white-haired men talking about things that didn't include me. But they did, and they do. The conversations in those rooms speaks to health, safety, dignity, and potential. And as I have aged, I realize that who is having the conversation is just as important as the conversation itself.

This May, the Legislative Assembly's Youth Parliament provided a week-long glimpse of territorial politics, the role of consensus government, and responsibility of representing a constituency. 19 NWT youth now have a much different view of politics than I once had.

My view today is centered on gratitude rooted in hope and inspired by vision for stronger communities and being prepared to do the work to get there. No one better embodies the honesty and integrity of politics than our youth. Our youth parliamentarians stood in this very room and called for housing solutions, treatment options, and an affordable and sustainable North.

Kam Lake was well respected by Ecole St. Patrick Student Isha Jha who spoke about the NWT's rising cost of living. The ideas and debates were entrenched in care with a 'get er' done attitude that doesn't see surmountable barriers. The NWT's youth parliamentarians pushed buzz and energy through the halls of the Legislative Assembly reminding us that our children are powerful.

In my school days, Angela Masongsong was the student voice for students against drinking and driving before the torch was passed to Candice Meadis. After, I think of LGBTQIPA+ rights champion Jacq Brasseur or more recently climate change advocate Ella Kokelj. These voices changed legislation, drove budgets and, yes, inspired a room of today's leaders.

Today I think of the youth voices that shared their living experience with the Standing Committee on Social Development as part of our child and family services review. Youth remind us the question is not if but how.

Our pleasure of standing in this room is short, Mr. Speaker. But our impact isn't, and we must never take that for granted.

Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the NWT youth who share their voices in this House, in our communities, and in the work we do. We respect your courage, we value your input, and the opportunity to learn from you.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to thank you and your staff who continue to provide this experience to our territory's youngest change makers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake . Members' statements. Member for Frame Lake .

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Member's Statement 1085-19(2): Mining Regulations

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. I have to confess, I think there is some white hair up there somewhere, but.

On April 22, 2022, the public and Regular MLAs finally got to hear from the minister for mining and her staff about the development of mining regulations to implement the Mineral Resources Act. There were more than a few surprises, including the very short timeline for public engagement which was set for May to July of this year. Not much if anything has happened since that meeting.

The public have a couple more months to weigh in on such hefty matters as how and when it might get notified of mineral staking and development, what benefits we might get and how enforceable they may be, whether we will capture more if not all the geoscience from exploration, and much more. It is right that industry has been engaged since at least January but others who have an interest should also be there.

For example, on royalties, the first item being discussed in those secret meetings with industry was transparency and confidentiality. Surely we can do better than that with GNWT engagement on the development of the mining regulations.

The minister has said that her department has done research to support the development of the mining regulations and that apparently includes a $24,000 contract to two former ITI employees on map staking finished in July 2021, a $100,000 contract to a law firm for dispute resolution expertise, and another contract for $200,000 to the University of Calgary for ongoing policy advice that began in March 2022. Advice on engagement was removed from the scope of the last contract for unknown reasons. Unfortunately, the Minister has yet to share any of this work with Regular MLAs let alone the public, despite the ever-decreasing window for input.

When committee met with the Minister, members of the Intergovernmental Council Secretariat were there but not part of the team making the presentation or answering questions. I think it would have been much more productive if they had been able to participate.

There is a commitment to publicly post at least five sets of draft mining regulations for some period of comment. But it is not clear whether there will be any response to issues or concerns raised. Of course the Minister or Cabinet is not required to carry out any public engagement for regulations but the Mineral Resources Act is only a shell and leaves all of the authority to regulations and the Executive.

I'll have questions for the mining minister on the less-than-ideal process for public and MLA engagement on the development of these important mining regulations. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake . Members' statements. Member for Great Slave .

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Member's Statement 1086-19(2): Mental Health Crisis

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Katrina Nokleby

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as a Regular Member, I've repeatedly asked the Minister of Health about the state of our residents' mental health and the supports available to them. And time and time again, the Minister has denied what is blatantly obvious to most residents of this territory - that we are in a mental health crisis.

Mr. Speaker, the issues facing this territory and the deeply ingrained trauma experienced by our people is not going to go away by logging onto some app or calling a crisis line. People need real supports that include in-person counselling, culturally-appropriate programming, aftercare, and actual physical spaces in which people can detox from drugs or alcohol or flee from domestic violence situations.

Last session, the Minister's response to my question, "I feel confident that we're not facing anything that we can't deal with," shows how out of touch with reality this Minister is. In fact, so much so, her comments prompted the Native Women's Association of the NWT to write a letter calling out her "disconnect" and the harm created by her dismissive comments. They expressed that they were "appalled and dismayed;" and frankly, Mr. Speaker, I agree with them.

As the Native Women's Association pointed out, and I have stated numerous times in this Chamber, COVID-19 has compounded the mental health crisis in the North, with increasing rates of homelessness, addiction, suicide, violence, depression, and incarceration.

Intergenerational trauma and the pandemic have created a double burden that is overwhelming our people's ability to deal with it. And although the Minister of Health and Social Services has yet to acknowledge that there is a mental health crisis occurring in the NWT, it is obvious to me that the first crucial step to addressing this crisis is adequate and safe housing.

There is an invisible homeless population in the territory of people who are couch surfing, staying in relationships of convenience, or remaining in places that are unsuitable or unsafe for themselves and their families, just to keep a roof over their heads. When I speak with these people, they always express a concern for their ability to stay sober while having nowhere to call home. For many, there is a loss of pride, a loss of connection to their culture and families, just from the inability to host them in their homes. Others struggle with health concerns and conditions only made worse by their lack of stable housing.

Mr. Speaker, acknowledging a problem is the first step to finding its solution. And since the Minister of Health refuses to acknowledge what is in front her eyes, I am going to take my questions to the Minister of Housing and urge her to help our vulnerable people.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Great Slave . Members' statements. Member for Monfwi .

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Member's Statement 1087-19(2): Eulogy for Dan Marion

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Monfwi

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I'm going to do -- with permission, I am going to do eulogy for Dan Marion. Mr. Daniel Marion of Behchoko.

Mr. Speaker, Tlicho people have known Dan for many, many, many years. Dan was always there to give advice on any topic, such as business issues, employment issues, social, technical truck problems, and many more. Dan always had time for you and showed that he really cared about your welfare. When you shared a problem with Dan, his reply always pointed to a solution that was beneficial to all.

Dan was a great advocate for the aspirations of youth. He admired young people as store workers, truck drivers, gave out scholarships money for students that were going to be pursuing higher educations and other positions and important life lessons in the best way of providing the best service to customers and clients. He developed the capabilities of young people and gave them skills and attitudes that served them well in their future. Dan emphasized the good feeling a person gets with a job well done.

He was an astute businessman in operating Rick's Trucking and guiding the Tlicho Investment Corporation for the first critical years. His Facebook posts, these posts, few months showed great appreciation. These past few months showed great appreciation of family, friends, and importance of helping those in need. He talked about the meaning of life and profound grief of losing someone dear.

Dan enhanced many of our lives, and his example of life well lived will be felt well into the future. This is the Dan Marion that we knew, and we always knew him as a [no translation provided] store manager in our region, Tlicho region. Thank you.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Monfwi . Our thoughts and prayers are with the community at this time. Members' statements. Member for Nahendeh .

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Member's Statement 1088-19(2): Retirement of Mike Canney

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I have the honour of saying ‘thank you' to a resident who is retiring. Mike Canney started working at the Fort Simpson warehouse on April 4th, 1986, with the federal government as a casual. The following year, he started work with the Department of Renewable Resources as a seasonal store person. In 1991, he was asked to fill in as the regional store person and eventually he was hired full time in that position. The position has been renamed as a material management officer.

He has always spoke highly of his employment with the department and how his supervisors treated him and his colleagues. When asked about what he thought was the biggest improvement since he began, he would say it was the safety and well-being of all employees. Safety is greatly improved, and the managers have made him feel that his efforts are appreciated and respected. When asked about his future goals he said it, with a smile, helping my real boss operate the Lady Slipper Lodge, formerly Mackenzie Rest Inn, and helping raise their granddaughter. If given the opportunity, he hopes to get out on their boat more often and maybe get a few rounds of golf in.

I would like to share a few words from his colleagues from the regional office.

Mike will be missed here at compound, yes, but not just for what the things he did related to the fire season but for all the little things. He's always made sure the compound is secure, locking the doors and the gates. Safety was his priority. You could see him shovel away the snow and remove the ice during the winter months. You could see him dig out the snow from the sliding gates early in the morning. He helped us purchase and maintain all their mobile equipment. He made sure the fuel supply was tested and ready for each fire season.

Most importantly, he's a great guy with a lot of patience, practical knowledge and experience, and had a few funny stories to tell. Good luck and all the best in your retirement Mike, you will be sorely missed around the shop.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would like to say, use Mike's words: "It's been my pleasure to work for this organization for all these years and will miss the comradery and the challenge of the position. Thank you to the entire GNWT, for the opportunity to serve all those years. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Member for Nahendeh . Members' statements. Returns to oral questions. Minister responsible for Infrastructure

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Return to Oral Question 1067 - 19(2): Mike Zubko Airport Expansion Project

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, I have a Return to Oral Question asked by the Member for Great Slave on March 30, 2022, regarding a contingency plan if the Department of Infrastructure and the contractor are not able to come to an agreement on the Inuvik Airport Runway Extension and Civil Improvements project.

The Department of Infrastructure abides by the GNWT's procurement policies when it comes to considering contractual approaches and making decisions on negotiating a contract.

Under the current 11.26 Negotiated Contracts Policy, contracts are not negotiated in the Legislative Assembly. Only the Executive Council can authorize the negotiation of contracts outside the competitive process and, upon authorization, this process takes place between an authorized eligible contractor and the technical team.

Mr. Speaker, the Executive Council reviews each request to negotiate a contract against the established criteria that's in our policy and aims to make decisions and recommendations that provide fair and broad distribution of training, employment, and business opportunities, while also ensuring value for money.

Both the joint venture and the GNWT's technical teams have resumed negotiations to determine solutions to the funding gap. At this time, the technical team is focused on options with the objective of realizing a way forward to follow the process outlined in the Negotiated Contracts Policy.

Should those negotiations be successful, the project will proceed and should they not be successful, the GNWT will return to Canada and our Cabinet to be able to discuss potential next steps.

The Department of Infrastructure is continually striving to upgrade the infrastructure at the Inuvik Airport to meet changing operational demands and improve the airport's resiliency to a changing climate.

While the federal government has committed to provide some additional funding for the project to be able to address inflation and supply chain costs, subject to due diligence the exact value and timelines are not yet known.

We expect this extension and civil improvements project to create economic opportunities for the region throughout construction. The Department of Infrastructure remains committed to making contracting decisions that will best maximize benefits to local, northern Indigenous businesses and residents within available budgets. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Returns to oral questions. Minister responsible for Infrastructure .

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Return to Oral Question 1075-19(2): Knowledge of Joint Venture and Indigenous Government

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, I have a Return to Oral Question asked by the Member for Great Slave on March 31st, 2022, regarding my knowledge of a joint venture and an Indigenous government.

Mr. Speaker, yes, I am aware of the difference between a joint venture and an Indigenous government.

On the Inuvik Airport Runway Project, the Government of the Northwest Territories has received bids from a joint venture corporation entity, Number 13394883 Canada Incorporated.

The joint venture is an eligible contractor as defined under the Negotiated Contracts Policy, 11.26, and has the operational, financial, and management potential to undertake the work. Negotiations between the joint venture and the technical team resumed with the objective of realizing a way forward to construction to be able to ensure this project requirements, such as surety, is in place. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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The Speaker

Frederick Blake Jr.

Colleagues, I would like to draw your attention to visitors in the gallery this afternoon.

I am pleased to recognize interns from the Legislative Assembly of Ontario. They are in Yellowknife to increase their knowledge of our consensus style of government. We have with us today, bear with me with the pronunciation, but Janine Alhadidi, Iqra Mahmood, Alex Horbal, Alessia Rao, Melody Greaves, Habon Ali, Sharika Khan, and Tori Llewellyn.

Mahsi for joining us today. I would like to recognize everyone else in the gallery. I know a couple people left. One just joined us. It's always a pleasure knowing there is much interest in our proceedings. Mahsi.

---Applause

Member for Kam Lake

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's always nice to have kids back in the gallery today and I would like to recognize the three pages that we have here in the gallery from Kam Lake who are Marianne Bumaat, Isha Jha, and Justin Quito. Thank you.

---Applause

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Thank you. Acknowledgements. Oral questions. Member for Frame Lake .

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Oral Question 1080-19(2): Mining REgulations

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. My questions are for the Minister of ITI who is responsible for mining.

In the presentation given to committee in April on the five sets of mining regulations being developed, it was said that the public engagement on this important work is to take place between May and July. May is almost over. Nothing has happened yet.

Can the Minister explain this very short timeline for public engagement and how the public can have any meaningful involvement? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake . Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment .

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm glad that my title has been corrected. I do feel better standing up with the right name for the right Minister.

On this matter, Mr. Speaker, firstly, there are a number of different things happening in terms of what's happening with the Mineral Resources Act regulations.

Firstly, with respect to the royalties portion, as the Member's already mentioned, it's a complex thing that's being developed right now. That element was opened back in February. Comments are welcome until July the 29th for public engagement. That was extended from April the 22nd all the way through to the end of July.

With respect to other items, Mr. Speaker, I want to start by referencing the Intergovernmental Council protocol that was developed by and put in place by this government. That really has been the guiding focus of a lot of this work, to ensure that we were making regulations for the North and for the future of the northern mineral resources industry, we're doing that hand-in-hand with Indigenous governments.

As I think was already mentioned during the Member's statement, typically regulations don't require the same level of engagement. We've often not have any engagement from the public so we're certainly making an effort to do something quite different here.

So in addition to the IGCS process, Mr. Speaker, there is a formal public engagement step expected to get started here shortly, run through until the summer, and in that regard the items will be posted online. They'll be going through the same typical process that other items do. There's a posting online, people can respond online. They can respond directly. There will be certainly those opportunities similar to any other public engagements that take place.

And Mr. Speaker, that said, these are very technical regulations. The folks that would potentially use them, benefit from them are in this space, operating in this space, know the people to contact. They are already being engaged. They know that this work is underway. And I'm certainly very confident that folks who have those interests have lots of avenues by which to be in touch with us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. I want to thank the Minister for that. Let's talk about that public engagement. The Minister committed in April to advising us what research has been done. I found contracts on map staking, legal expertise, on dispute resolution, and policy advice from the University of Calgary. Then there's the internal work that the department has already done apparently.

Can the Minister provide a public listing of the research reports completed and when those will be shared with Regular MLAs and the public as part of the engagement on these mining regulations? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I said, this is an extremely complex piece of legislation that's going to be enacted and as a result, the regulations themselves also are unusually complex, and we are always being mindful at every step, again, of the process and of the work that's taking place with the IGCS.

Mr. Speaker, I can say, and in keeping in mind the rules that we have here in a consensus government, that back on May the 12th we did provide a list of the research documents completed as of that time to standing committee and, certainly, if there are documents within that that Members may wish to have access to, I'd like to be informed. We can certainly provide it to Members in keeping with the consensus government's processes around confidentiality as between MLAs and Ministers.

With respect to the three additional contracts that my friend has so diligently sought out, Mr. Speaker, those items I think only of the one with respect to map staking, that one is complete. The others are still in progress. So there's nothing to report on or provide at this point.

With respect to the university of Calgary, it's an opportunity to have academic oversight. So that's likely to continue throughout this process. But as for the other two, as I said, when both are completed -- the one is not but when the other one is, we'll certainly be adding it to the list that I'd already provided to Members. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. I want to thank the Minister for that. And of course, some of those contracts, there's interim reports that probably could be shared already. But I recognize and support that the development of these regulations is being done with Indigenous governments but it doesn't substitute or replace public engagement. And I also acknowledge that some of these are complex matters and they require a delicate balancing of rights and interests. But this is all the more reason for an informed public debate and information.

So can the Minister commit to providing regular and detailed written updates to committee on the progress of the technical working group that is developing these regulations? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in a word, yes. I have found we've appeared in front of standing committee now numerous times on different parts of the process. The Mineral Resources Act regs generally but also on royalties specifically. And those are fruitful. They're helpful. In the one case, it resulted in changes to one of the discussion papers. So, yes, most certainly, Mr. Speaker, happy to make that commitment.

And I want to note, Mr. Speaker, it was pointed out that one of the Members of IGCS had attended the briefing. It's not the usual process here that other Members would necessarily be speaking at a technical briefing, but we do now have this technical working group that includes IGCS members, and I'm confident that we could, in fact, if done in advance and if planned, we can have an opportunity to have members of that group attend as well in their roles or in their roles with the IGCS. And that would, again, likely be a benefit to all parties. So happy to ensure that we can move that forward.

And Mr. Speaker, I -- you know, I haven't been put on the spot for this, but I wanted to note at the time of that briefing, MLAs specifically asked if we could sit down one-on-one. That also remains an opportunity for all Members. I'd be happy to do that and sit down with each of them and the teams so that if there's even more technical issues that we can work out, then we'll make that commitment that we can do that as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary, Member for Frame Lake .

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. I want to thank the Minister for that, and I will take her up on that commitment. It appears the Minister is going to publicly post five sets of detailed mining regulations that cover a variety of matters, including notice of claims, work, royalties, benefits, and disputes. These are all matters of public interest. It's not clear how long people will have to review and comment, whether those comments will be public, and whether there will be responses to the comments and issues that are raised.

But can the Minister explain how this public posting process will work and whether comments and responses will also be made public? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So, Mr. Speaker, with respect to public engagement, there's a standard position which is that any operational -- or any draft regulations get no less than 30 days, and that's -- that will certainly be abided by that guideline. But, Mr. Speaker, it's my intention that we'll be going on for longer than that.

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Frieda Martselos

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is extremely important that other levels of government and the general public have their say on potential electricity rate increases.

Will the Minister responsible for NTPC commit to work with the Minister responsible for the Public Utilities Board to have public hearings regarding the impact of increasing electricity rates? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Public Utilities Board develops the review process for the general application and the Public Utility Board

schedule allows for a public hearing, if required, on August the 4th to the 5th here in Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Frieda Martselos

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, since the Taltson Hydro Project is in the Taltson zone, will the Minister ensure that there will not be a one-rate system for power rates and that the people of the Taltson zone will always have lower power rates than other communities, because it's a traditional territory of various First Nations and Metis peoples. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In accordance with the electricity rate policy guidelines approved by the GNWT, since 2010 the electricity rates in the Northwest Territories are set on a zoned basis. So each zone, including the Taltson, is to pay rates that reflect costs in the zone.

The utilities use a zone of reasonableness to help manage rate transitions. Today, due to these transitions, the Taltson is currently paying less than its costs, but over time the rates will transition to full cost level. The Taltson rates will be lower than other communities so long as the Taltson costs remains lower than the other communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Frieda Martselos

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, after the Taltson expansion is completed, can the Minister explain what the cost impacts will be in terms of electricity rates for the people in the Taltson zone and the rest of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We recognize that rate implications from the project is an important part of securing broad support to proceed to a construction decision for this long-term project. There are many factors that may impact revenues and, in turn, rate implications associated with the project.

For example, the results of a commercial arrangement between the project partners and the investors, construction conditions imposed as part of the regulatory approvals, and the size of the location of the customer demand. When there is more certainty in these areas, we will be better able to define any potential rate implications that is associated with this project. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Frieda Martselos

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, can the Minister tell us when the NTPC will get rid of the current board of NTPC, which is currently occupied by deputy ministers, and be replaced by a new neutral-appointed board? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This work is currently led by the EIA. It is my understanding that recommendations are in the final stages for presentation to the existing NTPC board and Cabinet. Once they have been reviewed, we will look to engage with standing committee. And then, based on feedback and general agreement, implementation this fiscal year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ronald Bonnetrouge

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the MACA minister, which is Municipal and Community Affairs, and it's related to my statement on the flood situation at K'atl'odeeche First Nations.

It is appreciated that MACA, Health and Social Services, and possibly other departments, were on top of the evacuations of the residents in finding accommodations and providing meals.

Can the Minister advise if this will be evacuation preparations for any future flooding in K'atl'odeeche First Nations, Hay River, and other communities? Mahsi.

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Thank you, Member for Deh Cho . Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs .

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Before I answer that question, I'd like to thank the Member for his statement. It was bang on. The leadership in K'atl'odeeche, the Chief, did an amazing job. And also the Member, we had been in constant communication throughout this disaster.

In regards to the question, so each year the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs reaches out to the affected communities, or the ones we feel that are affected. We do have plans in place with them. They have their plans. And we look at it.

We also -- again, it's about working -- we have regional staff that reach out to the leadership and the staff there and making sure we deal with that there. So again, we also give guidance. If you seen the preparation and information we got out there, telling residents and what they had to do and to get prepared for it, what the communities had to do, and what we were preparing to do.

In regards to scenarios, we do have tabletop exercises that we're able to use and that. But in reality, until you actually go through this, you find out how good your plan is and that there is -- it's unfortunate, but I think that plans in both the communities of Hay River and K'atl'odeeche First Nations, they did a great job.

One of the things that we did this year after the last flood, we reached out and looked at the Disaster Assistance Policy, and then we updated it. We looked at our cross-jurisdictional reviews to making sure that what we were able to do is we were all consistent across Canada as well as with the federal government.

The other thing is, is that we created five new ENO positions which will then be working with our superintendents and the leadership in the communities and the regions to do that.

We also have created three positions at headquarters to help with disasters, whether it's floods, fires, COVID, situations like that. So we are always in constant contact with the communities, working with them, and we will be doing an evaluation after we move forward on that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ronald Bonnetrouge

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. And mahsi to the Minister for that answer.

Mr. Speaker, it is a daunting task for any community to monitor for the changes in river ice flow, ice jamming, melting snow, unknowns such as the perfect storm situation as was the case at the Fox Barns, Paradise Gardens, West Point First Nations, West Channel, Hay River, K'atl'odeeche First Nations, including the Old Village.

Can the Minister commit to being the lead department for monitoring, providing warning systems, and working with the communities for possible flood conditions at all known flood zones? Mahsi.

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, MACA does connect with the flood risk communities throughout the risk season. We have those communications, and we have, you know, partnership working with them to address these things. We also have the NWT alert system in place.

In regards to wearing my other hat as ENR minister, we also published an NWT water monitoring bulletin on a regular basis throughout the flood season. We also make sure that the information's available to the leadership in the communities.

This approach, though, is again -- we have to all please understand, it's a team approach. And what I mean by that, it's about individuals, communities, governments, working together on this disaster. So we do have the lead function on it but we also rely on municipalities and as well as other government departments. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ronald Bonnetrouge

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. And mahsi to the Minister.

We all know that on the yearly basis, we're getting floods, whether it's in different communities but there's still a flood zone. Hay River has been impacted every year, and all I wanted was the Minister's department to be the lead to help all these communities who are financially strapped for resources to be the lead monitor. Because as I mentioned before, like KFN, it was about 10:30, 11 o'clock at night they sounded the siren. It was dark by then. You know, there should have been actions taken before that. And if MACA had stepped up to the plate to help the communities, maybe we wouldn't be in that situation.

Many of the evacuees from K'atl'odeeche First Nations and surrounding areas were elders and persons with physical disabilities who were provided emergency cots. Of course this was a last minute emergency and people were placed where there were available accommodations.

Can the Minister commit his staff to look at placing the elders and persons with physical disabilities in comfortable accommodations as part of flood mitigation efforts? Mahsi.

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, before I answer the question, I need to clarify something.

Municipal and Community Affairs is working with the community hand-in-hand. We were working with the communities before. Our regional staff are working with their staff in the -- and I am -- been in constant contact with the leadership and having that conversation of what we need to do, how we can work together, and that's the most important aspect about the communities lead, and we are there to support. We as the Government of Northwest Territories are all there to help.

In regards to the question the Member asked, yeah, we have a process. So when an individual, whether it's an elder with mobility issues or young families, they come in to the system, like into the evacuation centre, we evaluate, we assess it, and we see if the individuals cannot stay in the environment.

We were able to, again, work with the Health and Social Services. We have a process. We set it up. We look at it. And then we move people if we need toother accommodations. So, again, it's about part of our plan. We have it in place. Did we fix it from last year? Yes. But, again, it's about a living document, and we're going to be seeing what happened this year and how we can better improve it. So, again, I thank the Member for this. And yes, we are doing that. Thank you.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary, Member for Deh Cho .

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Ronald Bonnetrouge

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi to the Minister for that. Mr. Speaker, I believe the departments are still tallying up costs related to the last year's flooding at Jean Marie River and Fort Simpson. We are aware the GNWT has footed the bill for new builds for Jean Marie River. K'atl'odeeche First Nations riverfront homes have been damaged by the flooding and quite possibly are uninhabitable.

Will the Minister commit to replacing the damaged homes on the K'atl'odeeche First Nations? Mahsi.

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Again, thank you to the Member for the question. We are fairly early into the process. So again, we need to identify the level of damages for all the homes. Damage assessments are currently underway, and this information will be utilized to make decisions by the homeowners related to the next steps in the process.

I can tell the Member that our pathfinder was in the community of K'atl'odeeche on Wednesday, and they were going door to door with the staff there. So we are working on that. Once that is done, we will make sure they're registered. Then the assessors will be in there.

We have seven assessors in to look at the damage and that there. So the GNWT will coordinate flood recovery for the K'atl'odeeche Reserve, and the federal government through Indigenous relationships -- or Relations and Northern Affairs Canada, CIRNAC, and Indigenous Service Canada. So we've already reached out to the federal government, hand-in-hand with the KFN, to make sure we were able to work with them because it is on a reserve and we need to respect that. It is government to government relationship, and we work with them on that. So we have reached out to that there.

Unfortunately, at this point in time, we have yet to have all the information on the Coverly report, but I can guarantee you that I will keep the Members from Hay River North , Hay River South, and Deh Cho, updated as well as committee on the process of it when we're moving forward, as well as the local leadership in the communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Rocky Simpson

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yeah, we all know the extent of the damage caused by flooding in Hay River and the reserve and in outlying parts of the area as well. And, you know, we were fortunate enough to get the pathway -- the pathfinders in and the assessors in in a timely manner, and they did a great job. They were set up in Hay River. They were set up in the arena. A lot of people, you know, attended the arena. And as far as I know, there's approximately 300 applications at this point.

So, Mr. Speaker, can the Minister of MACA confirm where the department is with receiving applications and conducting assessments of those impacted by flooding in the South Slave? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Member for Hay River South . Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs .

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

And I thank the Member for that. So the Member is correct - as soon as it was safe we had our pathfinders in. We are working with impacted residents and that. So we are encouraging people to register, whether it's online or into the Hay River evacuation centre. As I said, we've had people going door to door on the reserve. So we do have pathfinders in there working on that. So once we get that, then we will have our assessors go in and check out the damages. And so again, it's working on the process. And again, the numbers, I'm not a hundred percent sure.

Last number I heard was a hundred homes have already been assessed. We've had over -- over 230 people registered. And again, that doesn't count the KFN, but. So we are in the process of working there. Once we have the assessments and that, then the pathfinders will reach out to the homeowners, and we'll go from there. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Rocky Simpson

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I understand that in talking with the pathfinders and the assessors is that they were will probably be out of Hay River at end of this week. At least the pathfinders. The assessors may be in there a little bit longer.

So I'd ask the Minister to confirm, you know, how long the pathfinders will actually be in Hay River and the assessors as well. And once they do leave, there will be some people who probably have not registered, so how will those people contact a pathfinder to register? Will we have somebody stationed in Hay River on a temporary basis? Thank you.

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, our pathfinders are supposed to be there until we finish dealing with this crisis that's happening in Hay River and the reserve. So we are looking at trying to find some local pathfinders, because right now we have pathfinders that are outside the community. They are working there. So we're working to try to find local pathfinders to help that there.

I also have to say thank you to the MLA from Hay River North and Hay River South and to the Deh Cho MLA. They are willing to help out, and they had the conversations. We've given them the information. So I also have reached out to -- had the opportunity to talk to the insurance company. They're in Hay River. And we've shared that information. We've given the information to everybody as much as possible, encouraging people to register there. But if they have problems, to reach out to our MACA office. They will help make sure people register. That's part of our disaster assistance policy. You need to register there.

In regards toour assessors, the assessors are going to be there until all the homes are assessed. We have seven there. Wewere prepared, that we had the assessors lined up in case this happened. So we have seven there. They're there to be there through the whole process.

But also I need to really stress, the pathfinders are not just going to disappear. We're still using our pathfinders for the Little Buffalo, Jean Marie, Fort Simpson, and Fort Good Hope. We still have pathfinders working with the communities that are still affected from the 2021 flood. So right now they're there. And if residents have a concern, they can reach out to our regional office, to the MLA's office, or even my office. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Rocky Simpson

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the number of people that have been impacted in Hay River and the surrounding area is fairly substantial. Some of them have actually taken on and done some of the work themselves in their house just to avoid, you know, advanced mold, you know, causing issues and that. So they've stripped the -- you know, their basements down and have done quite a bit of work.

Many have had their houses assessed already. And now the question that they've been asking, what's next. Like, do we have to wait a week, you know, a month, a year before we hear, you know, where we stand in, you know, what type of reimbursement orwhat costs will be -- will be allowed to fix their places.

They're ready to start. They're ready to get back in their homes. They want to be back in their homes. And they're ready to, you know, bring in contractors.

So Mr. Speaker, will the Minister confirm the next steps and timelines in the DAP process because residents want to start rebuilding. Thank you.

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last year my constituents were going through this as well as Little Buffalo and Fort Good Hope. So I just need to make sure people are aware there are multiple steps. Many of them are occurring at the same time. You know, the GNWT needs to see the results of the detailed damage assessments to better understand the nature and extent of the flood damage. Some houses are impacted more than others and same with businesses. Many people have already started their cleanup and repair work, and they've been in touch with their insurance providers.

And again, we encourage people to start the process as soon as they can. What I also need to really stress is that when people are doing it, take pictures, record the -- make sure they have the receipts and then as well record the time that they're working themselves are on there so we can keep track of that.

As well, once the damage of assessments are provided to people, they can ask for an advancement. So when you give them the assessment, they can -- if they can't afford to do it right away, they can do an advance. So it gets up to -- it's $10,000 but up to 50 percent of the assessment. And so when we say $10,000, if it's more expensive for somebody and they don't have the money, we are able to advance it up to 50 percent there.

Just just like I said, if they're going to start doing the work, please document it. That's the one thing that I learnt from the last flood. Some people didn't start documenting until after. So document, make sure you keep your receipts, and take pictures through the whole process.

When I was in the town of Hay River, that's what I was stressing to people, get to work right away as soon as you can to start dealing with this. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary, Member for Hay River South .

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Rocky Simpson

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, some of the people have actually had insurance, and I know some of the insurance companies have actually already stroked cheques for some of the residents who have been impacted. And so it's people that are going to be relying on government assistance through the DAP, you know, are wondering, you know, how soon they're going to see money and to provide DAP support.

And there's a lot of people just don't have the funds sitting in their bank account to proceed.

So I'd ask the Minister, you know, when can people expect to see those advance payments and how are those advance payments going to be calculated. Thank you.

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in regards to that question there, the process is that the assessments will come in; they will do the assessment of the damage. Then the pathfinders will reach out to the impacted homeowner or businessowner and explain what the assessment is. Then we'll also have that conversation about do they need an advance, do they need this here.

Then through the process, it's basically seven to ten days once we process the advance.

So, again, it's about asking people to be a little bit patient right now as we go through the process. Once we have the assessments done, we explain and have that conversation with the homeowner or the businessowner. Then we would be able to get the advance going into the system. And it takes seven to ten days. And that's what the process was last year.

And it's quick. It's usually 30 days with the Financial Management Board, but the department of finance has been very cooperative in helping us address the situation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Monfwi .

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Monfwi

Thank you. On May 18th, 2022, Government of the Northwest Territories and Tlicho government signed a memorandum of understanding on housing that commits both government to a formal framework for intergovernmental cooperation of housing. Can the Minister responsible for housing Northwest Territories share the key elements of the framework. Thank you.

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Thank you, member for Monfwi. Minister responsible for Housing .

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we did sign an agreement with the Tlicho Government. I can have that document available for the member. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Monfwi

Can the Minister for Housing NWT share the vision and goals of the framework, how this MOU will change their current housing situation faced by the people in Tlicho region. Thank you.

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The intent of the agreement is for both governments to be working in collaboration together in addressing the housing issues in the Tlicho area. The agreement is a -- is a fair agreement, a considerable agreement between both governments.

We are working towards establishing the working group as well too for housing in that region. The Northwest Territories as well, the Indigenous governments have received distinction-based funding.

So through this agreement, we're trying to understand what is our responsibility when we are addressing housing in the smaller communities. It is a significant amount. We do have the expertise within Housing NWT, and this is -- this is a respectful agreement to making sure that we both meet the priorities of this -- of the regions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Monfwi

Can the Minister responsible for NWT Housing provide information from the framework on the sale of Housing NWT assets, like houses and units. Thank you.

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Right now Housing NWT is going through our mortgage files. And, you know, I wanted to make sure that we are able to close those files by the end of this government. But unfortunately, we are experiencing a lot of arrears within those mortgage files. We have approximately 247, and 207 of those files are experiencing arrears. And then 115 out of the 247, the clients are either paying on a regular basis or periodically.

We did announce that each of the public housing units are for sale. Through that, we are going through our programming to making sure that we are not setting up the clients for failure but really looking at their eligibility and really wanting to see success amongst our public housing clients should we be able to sell the public housing units to our tenants. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary, member for Monfwi.

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Monfwi

Well, if the Minister wants to do something about it, they can transfer the unit about the -- if they want -- if she wants to do something about the arrears, they can transfer the unit to -- to the tenants living in there, give the homeowner, and bring other programs, like home assistance program back.

But anyways, Mr. Speaker, can the Minister responsible -- can the Minister responsible for Housing NWT provide information from the framework on the transfer of housing unit ownership from Housing NWT to long-term tenants. Thank you.

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I hear the member's passion as well too. I would like to see a lot of the housing units transferred over to the clients. But we are experiencing difficulties within the transfer. We're looking at the environmental, the condition of the units, the health and safety of the units as well too, and the liability. But it doesn't stop us from continuing to work with those tenants as well.

And as of today, I think we've received approximately 150 applications that are wanting public housing to be sold to the tenants. And I will keep the member informed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes .

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Lesa Semmler

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions, like I said in my Member's statement, are for the Minister of Infrastructure .

The 468-kilometre

section of the Dempster Highway is currently the area I'm talking about in the Yukon. Can the Minister provide an update if there's been any discussions with the Yukon government about improving the Dempster Highway in particular to that

section of the highway. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes . Minister responsible for Infrastructure .

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have discussed the need for investment on the Dempster Highway across the border. You know, I've been hearing concerns from the people that are having to drive that part of the Dempster, that, you know, it needs some work. So we have discussion. We have ongoing discussions with the -- the Yukon's Minister of Transportation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Lesa Semmler

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if possible, will the Minister within these talks with the Yukon possibly do a joint submission to Canada for dollars to improve the Yukon

section of the Dempster Highway.

As I mentioned, it's an awful highway when you have to use it for transportation out of our region. We've got the MacKenzie Delta, the Nunakput, both Inuvik constituencies. They continuously travel out that road. That's the only road out of the Beaufort Delta. It brings in all of our food, our fuel, our supplies. That is a lifeline for us.

I drive -- I drove into Yellowknife. All the highways into Hay River, Enterprise, here are chip sealed. They're beautiful. People around here may not think they're beautiful. Drive the Yukon portion of the Dempster Highway. You will think they are beautiful.

So will this Minister commit to putting in a joint application or work with her counterpart to do that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm happy to know that the rest of the highways are in excellent condition, and therefore, we need to -- I agree with the Member. You know, I drive that highway too. Same with yourself, Mr. Speaker. So, you know, yes, we will continue to make efforts to be able to have a joint submission with the Yukon. So we were having that discussion. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Lesa Semmler

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'll correct myself. Maybe they're not that wonderful. But like I said, if you drive the Dempster Highway, even that

section from Behchoko to Yellowknife is a lot nicer than the

section from the corner to the border.

Will the Minister also mention that when in these discussions to include improvements being made to these bridges.

As I mentioned in my member's statement, the bridge that you first cross when you hit the Dempster Highway is a single lane wooden bridge. And this limits what can go up and down that highway. And if we were able to get the federal dollars to change that bridge out, maybe that could be try and solve some of our housing issues because then we could pull up modulars through there.

So will the Minister commit to adding those into this joint submission or having that discussion. Thank you.

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm just trying to look at what the member is saying.

I understand the Member's concern about the -- I know exactly which bridge she's referring to, and it does have weight restrictions which really doesn't allow much fuel, equipment coming up on Dempster Highway.

So yes, we will have that discussion on the bridge. I think that's an important piece of infrastructure that we need to get to work with the Yukon government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary, member for Inuvik Twin Lakes.

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Lesa Semmler

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The only last commitment that I'd ask is if the Minister could just follow up with me when she's going to be meeting with the Minister responsible for infrastructure and what their plan is because this is something -- I mean, this highway has been there since 1979, and I don't know if that other side of the highway has been touched much. So I think it's end of life, and it really needs to be looked at. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Absolutely, I'll keep the Member informed on some of the discussions that we will be having.

I just want to note that Minister Alghabra, who is the federal Minister of Transportation, is planning a visit to the Northwest Territories this summer. So I plan to see if I could get him up to the Beaufort Delta to see some of the problems that we are having with infrastructure, including some of the effects on climate change and the need for investment on the Yukon side of the Dempster. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Great Slave .

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Katrina Nokleby

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm so excited about the road conversation. I kind of want to throw my questions out the window and keep at the Minister of Infrastructure . But I'm going to move on to the Minister of Housing .

My first question is around the recently purchased Nordic Arms. Could the Minister tell me if any public or housing clients have been moved into that unit as of today. Thank you.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, member for Great Slave. Minister responsible for Housing .

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