Debates of Oct. 25th, 2005

This is page numbers 507 - 550 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was program .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

GNWT Strategic Plan - Progress Report

Changes In Corporate Tax Revenues

Federal/provincial/territorial Ministers Of Health Annual Conference

Beverage Container Program

Support And Guidelines Required For Day Care Programs

Barriers To Day Care Program Success

Beverage Container Program

Rehabilitation Services

Condolences On The Passing Of Pat Lyall

Beverage Container Program

Addictions Treatment Centres

Kam Lake Access Road

Day Care Services In Fort Smith

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Day Care Services

Beverage Container Program

Need For Audiologists

Liard River Ferry Services

Kam Lake Access Road

Beverage Container Program

Beverage Container Program

Rehabilitation Services

Beverage Container Program

Beverage Container Program

Corporate Tax Shortfall

Beverage Container Program

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Response To A Letter Of Inquiry

Day Care Services For Aurora College Students

Restrictions On Overproof Alcohol

Day Care Services For College Students

Day Care Services

Addictions Treatment Programs

Beverage Container Program

Relief Funding For Not-for-profit Organizations

Alternatives For Day Care Services

Ucep Program

Specialized Resources For Communities

Rent Scale

Funding For Day Care Services

Beverage Container Program

Written Question 17-15(4): Treaty/land Claim School Instruction

Written Question 18-15(4): Adult Literacy

Written Question 19-15(4): Atco/novel Housing Project

Committee Report 4-15(4): Report On The Review Of The Information And Privacy Commissioner's Annual Report 2003-2004

Motion To Receive Committee Report 4-15(4) And Move To Committee Of The Whole

Tabled Document 59-15(4): GNWT Strategic Plan - 2005 Progress Report

Tabled Document 60-15(4): GNWT Strategic Plan - 2005 Compendium Of Nwt-wide Measures

Tabled Document 61-15(4): Reviewing The Condominium Act Of The Northwest Territories: A Consultation Paper

Tabled Document 62-15(4): Package Of Three Letters Re: Aurora World Invitation

Tabled Document 63-15(4): Letter And Yellowknifer

Article Re: Resident Audiologists

Tabled Document 64-15(4): Letters And E-mails Re: Closure Of The Rainbow Child Care And Development Centre

Tabled Document 65-15(4): Two Letters Re: GNWT Beverage Container Program

Tabled Document 66-15(4): Annual Report Of The Official Languages Commissioner, 2004-2005

Tabled Document 67-15(4): Annual Report Of The Northwest Territories Information And Privacy Commissioner, 2004-2005

Extended Adjournment Of The House To February 1, 2006

Setting Of Sitting Hours By Speaker

Setting Of Sitting Hours By Speaker

Bill 11: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 2005-2006

Bill 12:

An Act To Amend The Territorial Court Act

Bill 13:

An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act

Bill 14: Public Airports Act

Bill 15: Court Security Act

Bill 16: Tobacco Control Act

Bill 17:

An Act To Amend The Public Colleges Act

Bill 11: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 2005-2006

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 507

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, Members. Welcome back to the House. Orders of the day. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

Point Of Privilege

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 507

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Pursuant to

section 20(1) of the House rules, I wish to rise on a personal matter, to clarify, in my opinion, what appears to be a one-sided report of the media on an issue as of late.

Firstly, dealing with my supporter's issues that had been in the media, my supporter had used a personal vehicle, a Winnebago, to carry my sign on it during the election campaign. It was not a campaign office or anything else that's been suggested or implied in any way. My supporter, Mr. Dolynny, I believe, is owed a true apology by the press, because their depiction created and surrounded his involvement in the campaign. He drove his personal vehicle to and from work. That's it.

Mr. Speaker, size apparently does matter, because the reporter didn't seem interested, in any way, that my competitors had posters and campaign material and vehicles to show their support. But apparently, in my case, it seems to matter.

I am dismayed that they would suggest, in any way, that rules have been broken in this regard, and the fact that they choose to embarrass the supporter of a campaign on the single fact that their vehicle was larger than anyone else's seems to be sad.

Let's put the facts on the table. The vehicle was on the road for less than two weeks. He drove it from home to work each day, parked it on the street, and at the end of the day, he did a loop down in the community and then went and parked it. It was in transit approximately one hour each day. There were no timers on this. That is just the simple reality. He went to work and went home. There is no reference of personal vehicles of supporters in the Elections Act that needs to be accounted for, let alone a Winnebago. So are we changing the rules just to embarrass a single MLA? I don't know.

The spending report, I think, in the news, tends to ignore minivans, trucks, SUVs, and any pictures on cars, yet it seems to focus in on the one vehicle I had on the road as driven by a supporter by himself. So why change the rules for one person? There was one vehicle driven by one supporter only. Besides, does this reporter feel that we should blame creativity in pointing it out? Again, size

matters. I don't think that was the issue at all. There could be some hidden agenda, I don't know.

There was no money or management of any kind that transpired while this vehicle was on the road. There was no contribution of any sort. Again, the supporter drove his personal vehicle. In my awareness, I don't believe I broke the election process at all. If we are going to start dragging supporters through the mud, I think we do a disservice to the election process by asking for supporters. I have maintained all along, that if this reporter feels that supporters should be listed in the election briefings and reports, then maybe we should have that matter discussed. You know what? There is nothing that states that.

On the other matter, Mr. Speaker, the story appeared to be singly focused with an agenda with a predetermined outcome from the start. I first heard about this inquiry from a reporter in June, because an access was being inquired about. Only a few weeks later, in July, I finally got a phone call from this reporter. On two occasions I had offered to give any information, such as my travel report, any applicable documents, such as the Conflict of Interest Commissioner's letter to me, my letter to the ITI Minister , and the letter from Aurora World Corporation. I offered this, but they seemed not to be interested.

I made the point amply clear, when I was being taped in my one-hour interview, which seems to be going to a super extent of showing how willing I am to talk about this issue, yet my clips on the TV are very short.

What MLA, or political figure, would deny, Mr. Speaker, an access to information request by a reporter? That is something they could get on their own, so why would I draw that type of attention? From the start, I was willing to give any information that they requested, and I was quite open about this issue, but they weren't interested.

In terms of the invite -- I don't have much more, Mr. Speaker -- the letter came to the Legislature addressed to me from the vice-president of the Aurora World Corporation, not Mr. Dolynny, which the story seems to imply. If they had accepted those letters, they would have seen that. This letter came to the Legislature and requested me, and any other MLA, to be part of this tourism mission. So there was no conflict, as I see it. Everyone was invited, if they wanted to participate. The reason I contacted the Conflict of Interest Commissioner, Mr.

Ted Hughes, was because they were offering market rate, which was $400 plus tax, which equals about $700. That's very low, so I thought it would be very prudent to contact the commissioner on this issue. Mr. Hughes' written reply instructed me on a few issues, and I will read this in

summary. First, copy a letter to the ITI Minister , which I did; and second, if all MLAs were invited at the same special rate, he didn't see a problem. So we are drawing conclusions on this.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, the travel issue, as it was, was truly a judgment call within the constituency ability that I have to use my budget to help promote my constituency where I felt it was important. I felt it was important that this industry, from our government, invests about $100,000 a year, yet it returns over $16 million, and I have heard it's going to return over $20 million in this next year. That's something important to my constituency.

I want to finish by saying I have always maintained that if I am wrong, I would be happy to correct my election statement at any time. I would be happy to seek any advice directed to me by Mr. McLean to make this a fair process. I have never denied that, and I have always said that very loud and clear.

So I am very disappointed by the newscast portraying that some unscrupulous act has happened. I am tired of this, and that's why I brought this statement forward today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 508

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The Chair would just like to remind Members on points of privilege, that the rules clearly state that you have to be clear and precise on the issue of privilege. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Minister's Statement 54-15(4): GNWT Strategic Plan - Progress Report

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, a little over a year ago, the government released its strategic plan: Self-Reliant People, Communities and Northwest Territories - A Shared Responsibility. This plan was based on a vision and a set of goals established by this Legislative Assembly.

The GNWT, along with many partners, have been working hard, over the past 16 months, to advance the priorities and actions contained in this plan in order to achieve these goals and realize this vision.

I met with Caucus last December. I made a commitment to report on our progress each fall and make the report public. Later this afternoon, I will table the 2005 progress report, along with a detailed companion document: 2005 Compendium of NWT-Wide Measures.

The progress report is the first of its kind. It demonstrates, in one document, the major achievements of this government since taking office two years ago. It shows how these accomplishments support the priorities of the government and, ultimately, the vision and goals of this Legislature. It also provides detailed information on activities that support the 73 actions identified in the strategic plan, so that it is clear to you, the public we serve, what work is being done and how it supports the direction set by this Assembly.

It is equally important to know, Mr. Speaker, whether the collective efforts of the government and partners are actually making a difference. There is not often a direct relationship between action and results, and changes for the better are often realized over years, or generations, rather than a single year. However, it is vital we understand where we are today, and if we are changing for the better.

The compendium presents a broad picture of how well we are doing in our territory at this time. Selected measures and indicators have been identified for each of the five goals of the strategic plan. Where available, information from past years has also been presented so that we are able to measure progress.

Mr. Speaker, these documents contain a lot of very useful information about the work of the government, and the status of our communities and territory. This update on the strategic plan gives us all a better understanding of where we are in advancing our agenda and the work that remains to be done with our partners. It is my hope that these two documents will stimulate thinking and discussion about our next steps, so that we make informed decisions about where to focus our energies in our last two years in office.

Mr. Speaker, I wish to take this opportunity to thank GNWT employees for their contribution to the government's achievements. I would also like to thank the non-profit and business sectors, as well as aboriginal and community governments, for working with us to advance many of these actions. I would also like to recognize the Members of this House for your input at many stages of the government's work, and your desire to achieve the vision of "self-reliant individuals and families, sharing the rewards and responsibilities of healthy communities and a prosperous and unified Northwest Territories."

We have accomplished a great deal in a very short period of time. But we also know much remains to be done; for example, we must deal with the persistent, destructive social issues found in many of our communities, and look at ways to bring down the cost of living. We must be ready to take advantage of economic development opportunities that are at our doorstep, while protecting the health of our land, wildlife and people. We must invest in our children and youth, the future of our communities. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 54-15(4): GNWT Strategic Plan - Progress Report

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Finance , Mr. Roland .

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Minister's Statement 55-15(4): Changes In Corporate Tax Revenues

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to advise Members of new information the government has received very recently, which has required us to review our fiscal situation and revise the fiscal outlook I provided to this House on October 14th.

As Members are aware, the federal government administers income taxes, both personal and corporate, on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories. On Friday, October 21st, the Department of Finance received information from the federal government that our corporate income tax collections for the 2004 taxation year are approximately $30 million less than previously estimated. This reduction has also affected our forecast of corporate income tax revenues for 2005 and for future

years, and significantly reduces the budget surplus figures I provided to Members on October 14th.

I would stress that these are preliminary numbers.

Nevertheless, Mr. Speaker, this revenue reduction is very disturbing news, given that the NWT economy is growing rapidly. With the level of economic activity we are seeing, we would expect tax revenues to grow, as well. We will be working with the Canada Revenue Agency to determine the reasons for the decline.

The uncertainty we face with respect to our tax revenues is magnified by further uncertainty surrounding our formula financing arrangements with Canada for 2006-07 and beyond. Until we hear the recommendations of the federal Expert Panel on Equalization and Territorial Formula Financing and how the federal government intends to act on those recommendations, our fiscal outlook is difficult to predict.

This situation points, more than ever, to the need for an adequate resource revenue sharing agreement with the federal government. Such an agreement must provide the Northwest Territories with enough revenues to withstand the impact of sudden changes to our fiscal situation.

In this environment, Mr. Speaker, it is only prudent that we examine the expenditure side of our budget. In fact, the fiscal responsibility policy that this government adopted earlier this year requires us to bring spending in line with our revenues. We will be looking at means to do this. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 55-15(4): Changes In Corporate Tax Revenues

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister's Statement 56-15(4): Federal/provincial/territorial Ministers Of Health Annual Conference

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this past weekend, I attended the annual conference of federal/provincial/territorial Ministers of Health in Toronto.

The primary focus of the meeting was to follow up on a number of specific commitments related to the implementation of the 10-year plan to strengthen health care, signed by all First Ministers in the fall of 2004.

I would like to take a few minutes to provide an update on some of the key discussions that took place, those of significant national interest, and those that are of particular importance to the NWT.

Wait Times

The issue of wait times received significant media coverage across Canada in recent weeks, leading up to the meeting. A "wait time" is how long you must wait for a specific medical procedure, from the time when the procedure is formally booked in the hospital until it has actually carried out.

At the 2004 First Ministers' meeting, it was agreed that by December 31, 2005, benchmarks for wait times are to be developed for the five priority areas: cancer, heart, diagnostic imaging, joint replacements, and sight restoration. "Benchmarks" represent the maximum amount of time patients should be waiting for specific procedures.

At the meeting, the provinces, territories and federal government confirmed that a first set of benchmarks will be completed by December 31st.

Several jurisdictions across Canada, including Ontario, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Nova Scotia, have wait times listings and registries posted on the Internet. The NWT will have a similar capability in 2006 for procedures performed in the NWT, beginning with basic wait list information early in the new year and more detailed information, similar to the Alberta wait list registry, by the spring. For medical procedures the NWT residents receive in Alberta, they can access the Alberta web site for information.

National Pharmaceuticals Strategy

In follow-up to the National Pharmaceuticals Strategy announced in 2004, Ministers reaffirmed the commitment to continue to work towards protecting Canadians from financial hardship due to catastrophic drug costs. This issue has been recently highlighted nationally by media coverage of a number of rare diseases, including Fabrys disease, which requires expensive drug therapy.

Ministers agreed to expand the common drug review to work toward consistency regarding which drugs are covered by provincial/territorial health care plans.

Pandemic Influenza Emergency Preparedness

Building on the Canadian influenza pandemic plan released in February 2004, the topic of ensuring that Canada is better prepared for a pandemic influenza outbreak was also discussed at the meeting. The federal government gave an overview of the international conference on global pandemic preparedness that it is hosting in Ottawa yesterday and today.

Crystal Meth

Ministers agreed that a collaborative approach is needed among federal, provincial and territorial governments as well as stakeholders in Education, Justice and Health, to address the issue of crystal meth in our communities. The federal government has agreed to explore how to control the chemicals used in manufacturing methamphetamines.

Blueprint For Aboriginal Health

Of particular interest to the NWT and our two northern neighbours was the discussion on the draft blueprint on aboriginal health. At a September 2004 meeting of First Ministers and national aboriginal leaders, direction was given to develop an action plan to improve health service for all aboriginal peoples, to close the gap between the health status of aboriginal peoples and the Canadian public.

Over the last number of months, each jurisdiction, as well as the various national aboriginal organizations, has conducted consultations and prepared submissions to form the basis for the national blueprint on aboriginal health. Once finalized, the blueprint on aboriginal health document will be presented at the November 2005 First Ministers' meeting on aboriginal issues. The NWT continues to send the message that the federal

government needs to acknowledge its fiduciary obligation for health services for aboriginal people, and that any new initiatives arising from the blueprint need to be accompanied with financial resources to implement them.

Mr. Speaker, as we try to do at every national meeting we attend, I met with my territorial counterparts, Minister Leona Aglukkaq from Nunavut and Minister Peter Jenkins from the Yukon. Along with our officials, we took time in Toronto to discuss a number of issues of mutual concern to determine how we may best work together to present a strong, united northern voice at the national table.

One of the outstanding issues for all three territories is the progress towards the finalization of the transfer of funds related to the territorial health access fund committed by the federal government in September 2004. Department officials of the three territories met in Ottawa yesterday with senior officials from Health Canada, Northern Secretariat, to continue to move this forward. This has been a lengthy process and negotiation, which will hopefully be concluded by the end of this calendar year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 56-15(4): Federal/provincial/territorial Ministers Of Health Annual Conference

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya ,

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Beverage Container Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to speak to you about the lack of beverage container recycling facilities in the Sahtu. Woody Allen once said, "In Beverly Hills, they don't throw their garbage away, they make it into television shows."

Well, the Sahtu must be like Beverly Hills, because I wouldn't be throwing away our garbage either; we can't afford to. November 1, 2005, is when the container program is supposed to begin. As far as I know, there isn't one facility in the Sahtu that will take our containers or refund our money.

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Beverage Container Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

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An Hon. Member

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Beverage Container Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

So this means that my constituents and I are either going to be stockpiling our bottles in our limited housing, or throwing them away at a personal loss. Mr. Speaker, we already suffer a high cost of living. I don't understand how the Minister of ENR can rationalize going ahead with this program until all the communities can recycle. This is not fair to the Sahtu. We need a recycling plant, too. Mr. Speaker, I am really scared that this is the precedent-setting mood. What programs are allowed to merge, and what programs will, probably, in our case, exclude our segment of the population.

Mr. Speaker, I agree with recycling 100 percent; I agree with protecting the environment 100 percent; but I don't agree that 75 percent of the Territories should be able to recycle and get refunded, while the rest of the population, such as the Sahtu, has to pay for it, just like many other things that they do in the Northwest Territories. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like my colleagues, I believe that the Department of Environment and Natural Resources should be applauded for introducing the NWT beverage container recycling program. This program will reduce the amount of garbage in our landfills.

However, Mr. Speaker, there are problems. I did receive a number of calls, prior to session, from businesses like the Northern Store and Co-op, as well as concerned citizens, over the fact that implementation will mean that prices will go up to pay for the cost of the recycling program. Many NWT residents rely on income support and will suffer because of the increased costs to purchase beverages.

In my region, Mr. Speaker, there will be less work because the industry has scaled back in their operations. This means there may be more people on income support. Mr. Speaker, this is big concern for local residents and vendors. There are also concerns with how the refund program will work in the smaller communities that are not on the regular highway system.

Mr. Speaker, Tuktoyaktuk has a recycling program in place right now, but it is voluntary and no one gets paid for turning their empties in. How will they get refunds once the program starts and they are paying more for beverages?

Mr. Speaker, as the MLA for Nunakput, I would like to request this government to reconsider the implementation of the program until such time as the refund programs are set up. Nunakput residents already pay the highest for food; we don't need to pay more. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Support And Guidelines Required For Day Care Programs

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I want to talk about day care. We have watched many day care centres open and, subsequently, close their doors. We have to ask ourselves why.

We talk about support for families and women in this Legislature, and is there anything more important to a student, or working mother, than knowing that her child or children are in good caring and capable hands? We need standards; we need reporting mechanisms; we need program guidelines; and we need safety and quality control. I don't know how many Members of this House have had the responsibility of caring for someone else's pre-schoolers, but, Mr. Speaker, it is a very demanding job that requires a high degree of commitment.

Day care workers are required to be temporary mom or dad, nurse, teacher, cook, referee and counsellor, and the list goes on. For the owners or managers there is the additional role of business manager, bookkeeper,

accounts payable, account receivable, invoicing, ordering supplies and groceries, and dealing with the challenges of the CCRA, GST remittances, and timely reporting to potential funders such as the GNWT.

As a government, we need to look beyond issuing the edicts of how things shall be done. We need to see if there are ways that we can come along side and offer support; yes, even in a hands-on way to operators who may have an invaluable service to offer to the community, to working or studying parents, but who need a little support to help them meet all the rules and requirements related to their undertaking.

If day care is done right, providing good programming, educational materials and equipment, nutritional snacks and lunches, trained staff and proper staff child ratios, day care is a non-profit business. In order to plan even one month in advance, an operator needs to know how many children will be in their care; they need to know that their sources of revenue are going to be consistent and reliable, and there should be no such thing as a daily rate. There should only be monthly rates for spaces, and this should also include the support from ECE programs. This should be all payable in advance, based on spaces available and the number of children who will be attending.

Mr. Speaker, I think, as a government, we need to recognize the importance of access to quality day care services. We need to recognize that some families may require support to access that service, and we need to recognize that direct financial support may be the only thing that will make the difference between success and/or failure of a facility. We need to think creatively about how we can remove barriers that hold people back from bettering themselves and the lives of their children.

So far, Mr. Speaker, I don't think we have done that. Either we don't believe it's important, or we just need a woman or a mother on the other side of the floor in that Cabinet. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Barriers To Day Care Program Success

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, day cares in the North are closing. They have been closing in Yellowknife, and many other places, because of the inadequacy in funding. There is not enough money to find and pay for suitable locations to run them, and when a group of dedicated volunteers get together and get a centre going, they quickly learn that the subsidy they receive from the government is not enough to keep the facility going.

Day care funding is inequitable in so many ways. Some kids need more attention than others, and when kids don't show up, for some reason, the day cares are not paid. Goodness knows, these day cares are not operating on a podgy core funding budget. Day care workers are notoriously underpaid. When all these centres fail, the government puts up their hands and say, "Oh, golly gee, I wonder what happened."

Instead of picking an action to find the solution, they look around to see who they can blame, Mr. Speaker. First, it's the federal government: "Well Mr. Speaker, the federal government announced their $5 billion program months ago and everyone here knows that is always an uphill battle to get ourselves outside of the per capita financing formula box."

It would have taken a well organized, concerted effort on the part of the entire Cabinet to fight this battle and win it. So where has this Cabinet been all this time, Mr. Speaker, why such a surprise?

Last week, when answering questions, Premier Handley kept saying that he needed financial records from the centre, as though there is some kind of financial wrongdoing. When asked, Minister Dent tells me that there is no such suggestion, it's just that there is not enough money. So then what was up with all those questions from the Premier , and why does the department keep sending letters to the day care, asking for things that they don't understand? Why don't they try to spend the time finding solutions and assistance?

The lack of ability to move on this file on the part of the Minister is very disturbing, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, when answering questions to Mrs. Groenewegen about a possibility of giving the day care contributions directly to the day care itself, the Minister says he will consider it, but he has to get the request from the centre.

His wait-and-react attitude is really getting on my nerves, Mr. Speaker. What is up with all the things that we are saying -- the Status of Women Council, Members Lafferty and Groenewegen -- is he not listening? He even suggested that he didn't get any direction from the Social Programs committee. Well, if he thinks that he can get more action out of this side of the floor, Mr. Speaker, I will happily give up my seat and take over his seat...

---Laughter

...and show him how I can do things without waiting for the world to fall apart. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to complete my statement.

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Paul Delorey

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are so many more disturbing excuses that have been made in this House, and I am going to pursue that further. I can also tell you that I received an e-mail from Minister Miltenberger on this issue, that basically states that what I say here or what we say is completely irrelevant, and I am going to make sure that the Members on that side know that what we do matters, and that people out there want us to address these issues. I intend to pursue that for the rest of the day and the rest of this session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Beverage Container Program

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. This past weekend, on Saturday, I spent a few hours with some other volunteers bagging groceries at the local Co-op store as a fundraiser. It was a very successful afternoon, Mr. Speaker, but as I was packing the groceries along the conveyor belt there, it was hard not to notice the number of containers, cans and packages that go through the grocery tills and, of course, in our homes that contain the food that we eat. In another seven days, Mr. Speaker, we are going to be passing along, for any beverage that people choose to buy in these containers, an extra 15 cents apiece.

If you are a mother that goes through several juice boxes a week, you might find yourself several dollars behind because of that expense. If you go through a few cans of pop or juice at home, if you go through any other kind of beverage, you are going to be paying an extra 15 cents apiece.

Mr. Speaker, it is interesting that the information there that has already been circulated on this program, and that we are going to see more of, suggests that there is maybe 10 cents that one is going to be out of pocket. The reality is that it is 15 cents that is coming out of the consumer's pocket. They will get 10 cents back if they live in a community, Mr. Speaker, where there is a depot, or they can take that container back and get refunded.

Mr. Speaker, I have had quite a bit of traffic from constituents who are really alarmed at the unfairness of this program as we know it today where, especially, really in the small communities, there is a huge unfairness going on here, because those consumers will not be able to take their containers back and get their refund, yet they are going to be charged. People in the bigger communities, including Yellowknife, have got a good system, and we can rely on that. We certainly support the efforts that are behind this program for recycling. But we have a major problem to fix in its implementation at the small community level, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, some people say, "Think real and get green" with this recyclable legislation. I say, "Think green, but let's get real."

---Laughter

Are we ready, Mr. Speaker, to load up our garbage and move to Beverly?

---Laughter

Recently, on the local radio station, a study was referenced indicating that a lot of people feel that the GNWT is out of touch with the average residents of the NWT with regard to this piece of legislation that is going to be implemented on November 1st.

Mr. Speaker, there are unique conditions and limitations of small and remote communities that have to be taken into consideration. The small communities of Nahendeh have difficulty enough transporting essential goods in and out. This additional burden, through environmental and handling levies, would be just too much. This will require people to pay more, but will get their money back when they return their empties, in a period where the cost of living is skyrocketing and out of control in the communities, and healthy living is quickly becoming a lifestyle of the privileged and the rich.

This year, the residents will have to cope with skyrocketing costs of fuel, heating fuels, and groceries, and now this. This is too much, I say, too much.

If there is a program in the community, Mr. Speaker -- that is a big if -- many communities will have to stockpile their recyclables until the barge or winter road is established, unless the GNWT is willing to fly out their recyclables on their many empty charters that go into the communities. Has this government evaluated the skyrocketing costs of fuel and how much fuel it will require to transport the recyclables not only to the nearest depot, but to the nearest facility? Mr. Speaker, the communities are not ready for this type of program, but, perhaps, Yellowknife is.

Lastly, I want to clarify that I have, and will always, support green legislation, Mr. Speaker. I recognize the importance of a healthy environment from having lived most of my years on the land, hunting, harvesting and learning from my elders. Although the fundamental objective is good, their approach needs some changes, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi cho.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Rehabilitation Services

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise in the House today to speak about rehabilitation services and the teams. Rehabilitation services in the NWT will be provided through teams made of rehabilitation professionals who travel to the communities to address their needs. Mr. Speaker, the rehab team is a very broad category. It involves the kinds of services that most people think of immediately, such as physiotherapy, a service to help people get back on their feet after an accident or injury, occupational therapy, speech and language pathology, and audiology which are all under rehab services, Mr. Speaker.

An important part of the work that rehabilitation professionals do, Mr. Speaker, takes place in schools throughout the North. They work with children who may be suffering from cognitive or physical disabilities that get in the way of their learning, Mr. Speaker. As my colleague for Range Lake has previously pointed out, the special needs for children in the NWT is staggering, Mr. Speaker.

Rehabilitation professionals can identify, and assist, a child's needs and make plans to address them. This makes a big difference for teachers who can, then, focus on doing what they do best: teaching our children. From problems that relate to being undiagnosed, it can be disruptive for an entire classroom, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I applaud the government for the work they are doing to address the rehabilitation needs in the Northwest Territories. In my view, this is a very good use of government funding.

The problem, Mr. Speaker, is waiting time; for a business, from the current rehabilitation team, is too far along. In my region, the waiting time for the Chief Jimmy Bruneau School is as long as six weeks. Mr. Speaker, I pointed out that the Chief Jimmy Bruneau School is a regional high school. What goes on there affects young people from across the Tlicho region.

Mr. Speaker, the community of Behchoko is an important regional centre for the Tlicho region. It is also the largest aboriginal centre in the Northwest Territories and can serve as a base for the teams that visit communities in the Deh Cho as well as Monfwi, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Mahsi.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Handley .

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Condolences On The Passing Of Pat Lyall

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to pass on my condolences to a friend and colleague, Calvin Pokiak , on the loss of his sister. It is always difficult when we lose members of our family and friends.

Mr. Speaker, it is with great sadness that I inform this House of the passing of a northern leader. Pat Lyall was known to many of us as a person of great character, and for his tireless work on behalf of northern people. Pat was in Taloyoak, in the Kitikmeot region of Nunavut. Prior to 1999, he served the Northwest Territories and, subsequently, Nunavut with commitment, wisdom and diligence in many capacities.

Most recently, Pat was chairman of the board of the Nunasi Corporation for 15 years, and both chair and vice-chair of Norterra for the same period of time. Pat was an advocate for the furtherance of Inuit people and their culture, and a respected businessman. He devoted boundless energy towards promoting Inuit culture to southern audiences, and raising awareness of northern issues across the country. Raising money for youth initiatives was always on his mind, and he was extremely successful in this regard.

He raised an enormous amount of money so northern youth could travel to participate in sporting and cultural activities across Canada, thereby broadening their horizons, becoming more experienced and successful as individuals, and ready to share in a newfound knowledge with their peers. Pat was a dedicated family man, proud of his children and committed to his community. He had a great sense of fun and a ready smile. I would like to offer my personal sympathy, and ask all Members to join me in offering our deepest condolences to Pat's wife, Leah, his family, many friends, and loved ones.

He leaves behind a legacy of good work and he will be deeply missed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Item 3, Members'' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Beverage Container Program

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to express my personal condolences to the Lyall family and the Pokiak family for the loss of two great northerners, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to express some of my concerns about the Beverage Container Program in the Department of Environment and Natural Resources that will be put into effect November 1, 2005. Mr. Speaker, currently there are eight community depots approved for licensing, which represents 76 percent of the Northwest Territories population. This is a good indication that northerners are supportive of everyone's environmental responsibilities and recognize the important role that recycling will have toward retaining a pristine northern environment for future generations to enjoy. This type of positive response, Mr. Speaker, is something that makes me proud to be a northerner.

But, Mr. Speaker, we cannot dismiss the legitimate concerns the other 24 percent of our population, who are approximately 11,000 people spread across 14 remote communities, have expressed. Although six of these remote communities have expressed interest in operating a depot, none has been approved to date.

We are still left with many people who will experience more increases in beverage costs at their local stores, and who will be very limited in their ability to return their containers to receive a refund, simply due to the facts that:, one, the costs to store and ship their beverage containers will be above the amount of their refund, making it uneconomical for households to participate; and two, the sheer remoteness of some northern communities does not allow this type of program to be economically feasible for anyone interested in operating a depot, not when they have to sort, store and ship the empty containers to a processing facility which could be very expensive not only because of the high cost of fuel, but also because of the long distances between these remote communities and the three communities with processing facilities and operation.

Mr. Speaker, I believe that this program has to be considerate of the fact that the 24 percent of the population who are restricted in the number of options to receive refunds, and who have the highest cost of living in the Northwest Territories, will be contributing not by choice to an environmental fund from which they will not receive any benefits. This issue, Mr. Speaker, is very important and should be addressed by the Department of Environment and Natural Resources prior to the implementation of the beverage container fees in these remote communities. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Addictions Treatment Centres

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, after hearing that our tax revenues were $30 million less

than what we were expecting, I felt guilty about the contents of my Member's statement. But I am over that now.

---Laughter

That is why I rise today, Mr. Speaker, to speak on the need, again, for treatment centres and appropriate addictions programs throughout the Northwest Territories.

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Some Hon. Members

Hear! Hear!

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, during our pre-budget consultations, we heard from many communities that firmly believe that there is a need for regional treatment centres where there will be proper follow-up for clients. Many residents are saying that they need a regional treatment centre, whether they be on-the-land camps, or a facility in town. Why isn't this government listening to their concerns? They are not asking for multi-million dollar facilities, but either bush camps or well designed energy-efficient buildings, new or existing, that the programs can be run out of.

Mr. Speaker, more and more young people are drinking and doing drugs. When they cry out for help, we need to have the capacity to the system in the region and not have to send them away. By having them closer to home, they can have their family's support network when they need it, or want it. Mr. Speaker, some of the hardest working people I have ever met have now, unfortunately, become slaves to their addiction.

If we have treatment camps in the regions, many of these people, and also our youth, can go out on the land and reconnect and see what they are missing, by the lifestyle that they have chosen or want to escape from. As a young man I knew once said, being on the land is very therapeutic.

This also brings me to my next point, which is, the people seeking help should be able to get it from someone who has lived in the region and has experienced the lifestyle. There are a lot of folks who might not have a degree this government recognizes, but who have a degree in life and can better relate to the problems facing recovering alcoholics.

Mr. Speaker, I urge this government to give people what they have said over and over again. We need to help people with addictions and not change this policy to the point to where they are phasing out people with degrees in life who have a ton of experience to offer. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Kam Lake Access Road

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The subject of my Member's statement today will come as no surprise to my colleagues in this Assembly, as it has to do with an issue that is very important to both my riding and the city of Yellowknife. That is the issue of the Kam Lake access road, and the secondary access into and out of the city of Yellowknife.

I have taken this issue up with the government from a variety of different angles. The first is from the standpoint of public safety, because of the increased heavy traffic on Old Airport Road and the fact that Highway No. 3 is the only way in and out of the city of Yellowknife. In case of emergencies, like we saw with the CF-18 -- the one that went off the runway -- and another one that dropped a missile on the golf course, we have experiences there that show that emergencies can happen, Mr. Speaker. Both of these incidents effectively shut down Highway No. 3. Mr.

Speaker, the question has to be asked, "What if a major incident happened at the Yellowknife Airport?" From a public safety standpoint, this road, and secondary access into and out of Yellowknife, has to be addressed. With the Kam Lake industrial park also having only one way in and out, we also have been very lucky that a major accident or a spill hasn't taken place on Kam Lake Road which would cut residents and businesses off.

Of course, road infrastructure does not come without a hefty pricetag. The estimate that I have heard would be in the neighbourhood of $5.5 million to build this road. The questions have been: who would build, and be responsible for, the road; how would it be paid for; and the land availability issue. I have asked the Minister of Transportation many questions in the past about where this road is in his department's plans. I was very surprised when I read intently the Minister's press release on the National Highway Strategy dated October 14th where there was absolutely no mention made of a Kam Lake access road.

Would it not have made sense to put this vital piece of roadwork into this strategy? This would ensure that federal dollars would eventually be your mark to help build this road. I don't understand its omission from the National Highway Strategy, and, Mr. Speaker, I am also concerned that, to my knowledge, it is not included in the Corridors for Canada II proposal. Why is this road not in there? Why are we not making every effort and exploring every possible funding source to make sure that this road gets built? Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister of Transportation at the appropriate time.

Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am the MLA for Thebacha. I have been now for nine or 10 years. In those 10 years, I have been involved with the day cares. I have been involved with closures, relocations, getting furnishings for day care, helping day cares reopen, and I am currently working with the Salt River First Nation as they put some of their own land claim money toward building a new child centre that will, hopefully, have a day care attached to it. So I am intimately involved, probably more intimately involved than any other MLA in this House on what is going on in my community.

The Member for Range Lake made reference to an e-mail that I sent to the executive director of the day care that is currently experiencing some trouble. It wasn't addressed to her. She imputed some

interpretation to that e-mail that is grossly incorrect. I just want to make the point that I

appreciate Members raising issues in my constituency, but I don't particularly...The reason I stand up for the Member's statement, I want to make the case. I am the MLA. I know what is happening in my community. We have been working with day cares for 10 years. Referencing e-mails that weren't sent to the individual, and misinterpreting them, is not appropriate. I think it creates a false impression that is far from the truth. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, oral questions. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I have a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to take this opportunity to respond to the statement that the Member for Thebacha just raised. I do believe it calls for clarification. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The Member is rising on a point of order. What is your point of order, Ms. Lee ?

Point Of Order

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I realize that the statement made by the Member for Thebacha was a Member's statement, so I am not responding to his statement as a point of order. I am raising my own point of order because I believe the Member is suggesting that I am somehow suggesting things and colouring them in a bad light.

I just want to say that my point of order, Mr. Speaker...He is suggesting, somehow, that I am not being true and following the rules of the House, and that, somehow, I am colouring his personality or characteristics, Mr. Speaker. My point is that I did receive that e-mail. The point I was making...

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, may I have an opportunity to explain my position? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . I would just like to remind Members that the Member is raising a point of order. I would like the Member to state her point of order, and then there will be a chance to debate the point of order. Ms. Lee , what is your point of order?

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the opportunity to explain what my point of order is. I don't have the Member's rulebook handy, but if I remember the number, I believe it's under Rule 26(c), and probably at the end of that section, subsection (h), which speaks to Members raising issues that question the integrity of a Member.

The Member for Thebacha is suggesting, somehow, that I am speaking falsehood, or that I am, somehow, suggesting that he is not being a good Member, or that I am saying things that are not true. All I was simply suggesting in my statement, which he is responding to, is that I got an e-mail. It was sent to me. I did not steal it. I didn't grab it out of his office. It was sent to me. The Member suggests that this is a done deal and there is no point in addressing this issue, because Cabinet has decided that they are not going to do anything for this day care.

I suggest to you that I have a privilege, as a Member of this House, to raise issues that are of concern to all of the Territories. I have tried to not focus it as a Fort Smith issue, but have tried to raise it as a day care issue.

I would like to suggest that if there is any suggestion made by the Member for Thebacha that I am somehow using this forum to suggest that he is not being a good Member, or that he is not telling the truth, or imputing any kind of motive, I believe that's not correct. I believe I have the right to raise issues that are brought to me that have territorial importance. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lee . The Chair will allow debate on the point of order. To the point of order. Thank you. The Chair will review Hansard and come back with a ruling on the point of order.

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was just so excited about recognizing my constituents in the gallery today. I'd like to recognize Mr. Rocky Simpson, a very innovative businessman from Hay River who's involved in manufacturing and a lot of other aspects of the oilfield business. I'd also like to recognize my constituency assistant again today, Wendy Morgan. Then three other ladies in the front row there. Now, I have to tell you, Stacey Barnes, on the end, is sitting beside her mom, who is Elaine Volk, and Elaine Volk is sitting beside her mom, who is Vivienne Smith.

Vivienne Smith is an occasional and frequent visitor to Hay River from Newfoundland, and she's very politically active back in Newfoundland. I'm so pleased that she can see the workings of our unique Assembly here. I'm just hoping that, on one of these frequent visits to Hay River, she'll just decide to just move to Hay River. We have a wonderful community of Newfoundlanders in Hay River, and she would be such a good addition. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to recognize National Chief Nolene Villebrun, and I think it's Lawrence, from Rocher River. I'd also like, Mr. Speaker, to recognize Trevor Harding, a former Member of the Yukon Legislative Assembly, a Minister of Energy, Minister of Economic Development, and also leader of the opposition, I believe. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I also would like to recognize the Dene national chief and former constituent, Nolene Villebrun, and a former constituent of

mine who still has a lot of family back in my constituency, Lawrence Beaulieu. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to recognize a constituent and local businesswoman, Ms. Karen Hollett, who owns Arctic Wild Harvest here in Yellowknife. Welcome.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today, I would like to recognize a Page from Behchoko, Timerin Tinqui, who is here. Welcome.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pride today to recognize my sister Betty Hardisty, who's up there in the gallery and in town on business from Fort Simpson.

---Applause

As well, I'd like to recognize my Yellowknife constituency assistant, Mr. Philip Moon Son, his wife, Katherine, his daughter Chloe, and also a big welcome to Phil's mother, a visitor from Toronto, Lucy Son.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just also wanted to recognize a number of people that have been recognized already. First of all, Nolene Villebrun, Dene Nation grand chief; also, Betty Hardisty from the Deh Cho; and Rocky Simpson, who has a company located on the Hay River Reserve and is in the well-site rental business, and he tells me that he's recently entered the trailer manufacturing business, and will have a trailer rolling off the assembly lines shortly. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I know these people have been recognized already, but I'd like to make a special mention of Mr. Phil Son and his wife, Katherine, and his mother, Lucy Son, visiting from Toronto. They're Korean Canadians, and we share that in common. I'd like to welcome Mrs. Son into the North. I'd also like to recognize Karen Hollett, who makes great syrup out of local berries. She owns Arctic Wild Harvest. I'd like to welcome her to the gallery. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. If we missed anyone in the gallery today, I'd like to welcome everybody to the Assembly today. It's always nice to have an audience up there viewing our proceedings. So welcome. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for Mr. Dent . In reviewing all the questions and answers yesterday, with regard to this day care issue, Mr. Speaker, this is not about Fort Smith day care, so the Member for Thebacha doesn't have to worry about that aspect of it. This is a day care issue for all of the Northwest Territories.

This is just the latest day care closing, and I think that we have to draw the line here and make the Minister account for the inadequacy in the program and doing something about it. So far, the Minister is indicating there is nothing he can do about this, it's all got to be a budget process, we need extra money, blah, blah, blah. I mean, any robot could say that, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to know what he has in plan for dozens of mothers of children in school who are not going to have day care service after this Friday. Is he aware of any places where they're going to be able to go to? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The college has been working with students to help them find appropriate care for their children, and they will continue to do that. I understand that they've found appropriate placements for a number of students, and they will continue to work with those who haven't yet found replacement places.

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Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I don't know what the detail is, but, obviously, the Minister and the Cabinet have decided that they're not going to help with keeping this place open. Aurora College sent a letter telling them to get out on October 28th, even though the lease is in place. The college has taken steps to look for alternatives. If there's any new day care that's going to replace this, they're going to need operating funding and contribution funding and such. So why is it that the Minister is insisting on letting this program go and start the whole thing all over again? Why is the Minister not willing to help what's there?

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm troubled by the allegations the Member is making about the approach the college has taken. Yesterday, the Member asked if I would review the letters that were sent by the college, and by the deputy minister, and I can assure you, Mr. Speaker, that I have; and I find in no way does the college letter sound in any way threatening or make any threats to the operator. What it is doing is responding to a press release that was put out by the operator that said they would be closing on October 28th.

They note that since you will be closing on October 28th, the staff would require all keys to the facility from you on that day. That's a normal course of business. They just want to know that the space is secure, since it's in a college building. This has nothing to do with a threat or saying you've got to get out of here. The letter is just a simple issue of saying if you're going to be shutting down, then it's time to turn over the keys at the time that you shut down. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I don't believe I suggested that it was threatening, but it certainly is seeing the scenario as these people having to move out, and not giving any due consideration to the possibility of the Minister doing anything to help them. So it's all predetermined. That's my point. My point with the e-mail that I got is that it seems that nothing that we do here matters. I don't accept that. I do believe that there is a merit in asking questions and trying to help facilities.

So I'd like to ask the Minister why he insists on closing this day care when he is going to be required to provide said money to any other facilities that open there. Why is he not helping day cares to operate and exist? What is the reason? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me be clear here. I'm not shutting down the day care. This particular day care has said that, in order to continue, they need extraordinary funding over and above what is provided through our program. I don't have that flexibility in the budget to do that. So if another operator can find a way to start up, we'll be happy to support that operator with the same sort of contributions that we have right now.

Mr. Speaker, I would dearly love to be able to improve this program. It's my goal, and has been for a long time, to improve the program. I had thought we had a willing partner in the federal government to help us with the money to do that. But we have been under a period of restraint since this Legislative Assembly started. The first year we came into operation, we had to cut millions of dollars from the budget. We just heard today, the Minister of Finance saying that we're going to have to review our budget again.

In his statement, he's saying, already today, that we've got some pressures and we may have to be looking at cuts. So I don't have the level of flexibility that the Member seems to think that I have in terms of finding new money to put from one program into another. I have as a goal finding a way to improve this program, but I don't have the money right now.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Final supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if the Minister would dearly love to be able to help, as he has stated many times, I suggest to you that he could do this. He doesn't have to dip into any other money. He doesn't have to get any help from the federal government. The Minister just stated that if this centre goes down, and they have the lease on the premises already, and if a new group comes forward and asks for operating funding, he's going to give them the money.

So he's going to give the new group money, and this old group needs $20,000 to pay the federal government on source deductions so they can keep going. So why can't he use the same money to help this group out so they can last until Christmas, until the parents can figure out what to do with their kids? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said earlier, that would be extraordinary funding. I don't have the flexibility in the program to provide that funding. So what we would do is, if somebody else started the program, we would be prepared to provide the same level of contributions that we would provide in all other programs. So we will support any program that starts up, whether it's the one that's in operation , or a new one, to the same level.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my statement, I talked about the container program that's going to be implemented in seven days by the Government of the Northwest Territories through the ENR department. I want to ask the Minister if he is still going to charge the communities in the Sahtu their recycling fees, even when they can't recycle, as of November 1st. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the fees are attached at source to the distributors, so it's going across the North. We're not dealing with the retailers. So, yes, November 1st that fee will affect all beverage containers across the Northwest Territories. I appreciate the Member's point, and, as I

indicated to him, I'm prepared to commit that we will make interim arrangements with every community to make sure that they have an opportunity to get refunds and have their beverage containers recycled, even if we have to use our own resources in the interim. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister consider having the GNWT recycling depots in my community on hold until they have somebody else in the community, or in the private sector, until they have a proper program in my community? I want to ask the Minister if his department would consider that. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is a program of general application, and the fees that we're charging are put on at the distributor level going across the Territories. So all the bottles that are going into the communities, and containers, will have that fee attached. It's very difficult, or impossible, to single out a community. What I am prepared to do, and I will restate again, is I'm prepared to commit and ensure that every community will have interim arrangements to be able to recycle their beverage containers as we continue to try to set up a more permanent arrangement in the communities that don't currently have them. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister talks about it being possible for some of the communities to be left in and some left out, but in this case here, this blanket right across the board and in our communities that don't have a depot, he's talking about interim arrangements. In seven days, how can he put a program in each of the communities of the Sahtu that will say to the people when you buy this bottle of pop, you take it there and get a refund? It must be working from magic here. It's inexcusable what this government is doing to these communities that don't have a depot. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the Member's concern, and let me restate again that we will ensure that every community has the capacity, and all the people in it will have the capacity, to return their bottles to be recycled and get the fees and refunds that are available. Even if we have to, on an interim basis, use our own resources, we will ensure that every community has that capacity. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you. I better be careful, Mr. Speaker, in terms of the seven days' notice here. Mr. Speaker, I want to ask, in seven days, can this Minister somehow make a strong commitment to this House that the people in the Sahtu can walk over to the renewable resources office, or some operation in the communities, to get their refunds? Can he ensure this? I have no problem supporting this program. It's the program that is not set up right now and he's making some commitment to have some interim measures. I need that from the Minister. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will commit, and ensure, that every community has the capacity to return, and that every individual in those communities has the capacity to return their beverage containers for a refund, who don't currently have arrangements. That will be set up by November 1st. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Question 246-15(4): Need For Audiologists

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, my questions this afternoon are for Mr. Miltenberger , in his capacity as the Minister of Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, my colleague, the Member for Monfwi, spoke of the need for health care professionals in a number of areas, and one of those most critical to many of our population, Mr. Speaker, is the service provided by audiologists. We have been chronically understaffed in this area. Understandably so, Mr. Speaker, because so is the rest of Canada. But among much of our population, especially the very young and the seniors, Mr.

Speaker, the need for audiologist technical, professional services is critical, but we are going to be losing that within the next very short while when the one audiologist we have at Stanton, I understand, is going to be leaving. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister advise on progress to date to recruit and make sure that audiologist services are available at Stanton? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are experiencing a turnover of audiologists. One is out on a year's leave and will be returning. The other one has given notice that they will be departing at the end of November. We are actively looking for locums, and we're actively recruiting in all the areas,

and using all the resources we have at our disposal, to ensure that we can still provide those services. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you to the Minister for that information. One of the barriers, I understand, that we may be having is that our salary and benefit package to these health care professionals, Mr. Speaker, may not be competitive, may not be up to snuff with what other jurisdictions in Canada are paying. Can the Minister advise the Assembly if we are, indeed, competitive on a pay and benefits scale for this type of professional service? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we've gone through a long process of classification and re-classification, responding to grievances for nurses, as well as other allied health professions, and it's our opinion, at this point, that we are competitive in our pay and benefits. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

You know, Mr. Speaker, in considering some of the background information on this, while we, on the surface, may be on a par with some jurisdictions and falling behind others, one of the things that sets our working environment apart is the amount of travel, the isolation, and the very heavy workload that people in that profession here in the NWT have to deal with. Is that factored into our levels of compensation and benefit, the real working conditions? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we recognize that this area of service is one that requires an infusion of resources. The pay and benefits are one issue, but the fact is, as the Member noted, they often tend to work in isolation with tremendous case loads, and extensive travel and time away from home, which is why we have proposed setting up rehabilitation teams where there would be one in the South Slave, another one in Yellowknife to travel into the Sahtu and Deh Cho, and another one located in Inuvik for the Mackenzie Delta area to cover those areas and recognizing the very points that Mr. Braden raised. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, if you're a senior needing a hearing aid, for instance, you almost have to pass through the office of an audiologist. The wait times for these kinds of services are already long enough. Can the Minister give the Assembly, and the people of the North, some idea of when we might expect, even on a locum basis, to have audiologist services based here in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have planned for, and obtained, locum coverage that will take us over the next few months, and the moment that we're successful at hiring a full-time audiologist or two, then we will be more than happy to share that information with everybody. It's a good-news story when those types of events happen. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, thank you very much. My question today is for the Minister of Transportation . It will be no surprise, I imagine, Mr. Speaker, but today is the date that the Minister promised the residents of Fort Simpson and Wrigley that there would be some form of action taking place with respect to resuming ferry services. I'm just wondering what has been occurring today to have that service resumed, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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