Debates of Dec. 1st, 1992

This is page numbers 217 - 234 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was bourque .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Resignation Of The Hon. James Arvaluk

The National White Ribbon Campaign

Inuvik Regional Hospital

Decisions From The Justice System

World A.i.d.s. Day

N.W.T. Business Credit Corporation Board Appointments

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Decentralization Of Government Programs

Settling Of Disputes On Ownership Of Trap Lines

Planning And Funding For Inuvik Health Care Facility

Lack Of Deterrence To Commit Crimes

Upgrade Of Computer Information System

Use Of Federal/territorial Correctional Service Agreement

Establishment Of Tripartite Committee For Delivery Of Social Housing

Report Of R.c.m.p. Complaint Commission

Status Of Request For Cape Dorset Museum

Establishment Of Initiative For Eligibility Criteria

Status Of Revised Community Freezer Policy

Sale Of Staff Housing In Fort Smith

Dissatisfaction With Performance Of R.c.m.p. Complaints Commission

Completion Of Code Of Rights

Model For Research In Developmental Planning

Selection Of New Minister

Implementation Of Recommendations On Legal Aid System

Question Taken As Notice

Regional Representation On N.W.T. Power Corporation Board

Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Committee Report 3-12(3): Final Report Of The Special Committee On Constitutional Reform

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 13: Notices Of Motion

Appreciation To The Honourable Jim Bourque, P.c.

Appearance Of Languages Commissioner Before Committee Of The Whole

Bill 3:

An Act To Amend The Northwest Territories Housing Corporation Act

Item 15: Motions

Tabled Document 21-12(3) Draft Payroll Tax Act To Standing Committee On Finance

Appreciation To The Honourable Jim Bourque, P.c.

Bill 10:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act

Bill 11:

An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act

Bill 12:

An Act To Amend The Mental Health Act

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Mr. Bernhardt , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Mr. Nerysoo , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Dennis Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Todd , Hon. Tony Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Good afternoon. Item 2, Ministers' Statements. Ms. Cournoyea .

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I have an emergency statement.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Please proceed, Ms. Cournoyea .

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Minister's Statement 15-12(3): Resignation Of The Hon. James Arvaluk

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the Honourable James Arvaluk tendered his resignation today for personal reasons. I have accepted his resignation effective immediately.

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Minister's Statement 15-12(3): Resignation Of The Hon. James Arvaluk

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Ms. Cournoyea . Ministers' Statements. Item 3, Members' Statements. Mr. Dent .

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The National White Ribbon Campaign

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today marks the beginning of the National White Ribbon Campaign, a call for men to help end violence against women. The National White Ribbon Campaign was started a year ago by men to mark the anniversary of the deaths of 14 women killed by a gunman at L'Ecole Polytechnique on December 6, 1989. Three years later the Montreal massacre still horrifies and pains us but violent crimes committed against women continue every day, and are usually committed by family members or acquaintances.

The horrible violence of the Montreal massacre is linked to the violence which affects the lives of the thousands of women who are sexually assaulted and beaten every year. Mr. Speaker, the statistics are very disturbing. In Canada, a sexual assault is committed every 17 minutes and 90 per cent of the victims are women. Three women are killed every week in this country by a male spouse or boyfriend. Here in the N.W.T. we have particular reason to be alarmed. We have the highest rate of reported sexual assaults in the country.

Mr. Speaker, one in five Canadian men admits to behaving violently toward women. While not all men commit acts of violence against women, men have a collective responsibility to become a part of the solution to eradicate it. Organizers of the National White Ribbon Campaign hope that at least one million Canadian men this year will demonstrate their deep concern for violence perpetrated against women by participating in the campaign. Throughout this week I will be wearing a white ribbon as a statement of my opposition to violence against women and my commitment to neither commit or condone acts of violence. I urge other male Members of this House to do the same.

Mr. Speaker, it must be remembered however that opposition to all types of violence against women goes beyond the wearing of a ribbon this week. The role of men in challenging male violence has to be much more than a symbolic expression. On an individual basis and as legislators, it is essential that we work year round for changes to any political, social or economic structure which discriminates against women. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The National White Ribbon Campaign

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Members' Statements. Mr. Bernhardt .

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The National White Ribbon Campaign

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Ernie Bernhardt

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I know this week the National White Ribbon Campaign represents violence against women. Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak on the issue which causes the circle of violence. Mr. Speaker, the statistics, and my own experience, confirm that many of the men who are caught in the circle of violence have been either physically or sexually abused.

Mr. Speaker, I want to make a comment on how society overlooks the help perpetrators or abusers need to break the circle of violence. I would like to call on this government to assist with the development of a program for abusers, so that we can all work to achieve zero violence against women. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The National White Ribbon Campaign

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' Statements. Mr. Koe .

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Inuvik Regional Hospital

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak about the provisions of the health transfer agreement and deal with the replacement of the Inuvik Regional Hospital and major renovations to the Baffin Regional Hospital. The

transfer agreement specifies that the Inuvik Regional Hospital will be replaced with a facility which will not result in a decrease in the level of service provided at the time of the transfer. The construction of this hospital is to be cost-shared between the federal government and the Government of the Northwest Territories.

Although the agreement also specifies that the Government of the Northwest Territories is not to ask Canada for capital assistance in replacing this facility until 1996-97, the federal government has been contributing over $1 million annually towards their share of the cost for replacement of the Inuvik Regional Hospital and major renovations to the Baffin Regional Hospital, so far that we have an accumulated contribution of over $4 million since the health transfer in 1988.

During the debate on the health transfer, the former Minister and the former deputy minister told the House that a facility would take two years to plan and three years to construct. It was anticipated that a new facility would be open in 10 years, around 1998-99. Mr. Speaker, given this time frame, programming and planning for this facility should begin in 1993-94, using the capital funding already received from the federal government, and construction should begin in 1996-97. This is the first year we can go to the federal government for capital assistance, and hope the new facility will open in 1998-99 as was committed.

Mr. Speaker, I raise this important issue at this particular time because a so-called health facilities review is currently being undertaken by the Department of Health. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue my statement.

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Inuvik Regional Hospital

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Koe .

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Inuvik Regional Hospital

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you. Given this review, it is of utmost importance that the government reaffirm its commitment to the people of Inuvik and the surrounding region to replace the hospital in Inuvik within the 10 year time frame indicated in the debate surrounding the health transfer. The people in the Inuvik region will expect this government to honour this commitment. Mahsi.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' Statements. Ms. Mike .

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Decisions From The Justice System

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I find that I am becoming increasingly frustrated and concerned with the decisions that are coming out of the so-called justice system. Very recently I learned that a former government employee who pleaded guilty to stealing $271,000 from the Department of Social Services may actually serve less than a year in jail. I refer to the case of Diane Doyle, Mr. Speaker. Evidence before the court indicated that Ms. Doyle's theft was approximately 5.9 per cent of the total social assistance budget for her office.

Ms. Doyle was sentenced to a period of three years' incarceration but could become eligible for supervised day parole in six months. In fact, she is now able to receive regular passes for outings from the Women's Correctional Centre in Fort Smith, where she is presently incarcerated. Mr. Speaker, I find this incredible. This offender stole money that had been set aside to help people who, in the vast majority of cases, had no where else to turn. What is the deterrence of a sentence which punishes this magnitude of theft with less than a year in jail? During the sentencing hearing, it was stated that Ms.

Doyle's motives were disgusting. According to the evidence placed before the court, she had been feeling burned out and cynical about the government. Apparently she felt as though her superiors were not listening to her suggestion for change and that her accomplishments were not being appreciated. A psychiatrist report stated that she had got herself into a habit of rewarding herself with presents when she believed she had done a good job. The presents, Mr. Speaker, were the amounts of money which she stole from the Department of Social Services.

Mr. Speaker, I believe that from time to time anyone has the potential to become frustrated or discouraged with their job. What kind of message does the Doyle sentence send to them?

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Decisions From The Justice System

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Ms. Mike .

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Decisions From The Justice System

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Does the court honestly believe that this sentence would deter the next discouraged government employee who is tempted to take advantage of a position of public trust? Mr. Speaker, this is just another example of the fact that the courts are not reflecting the opinions and the values of the people they have been established to serve.

I agree totally that the judicial system must be able to operate at arm's length from the Legislative Assembly but at the same time there has to be a better mechanism through which public values can be reflected accurately in court judgements, otherwise justice will not only be blind, she will become out of touch with reality. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Decisions From The Justice System

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' Statements. Ms. Cournoyea .

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Decisions From The Justice System

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to go back to Ministers' Statements.

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Decisions From The Justice System

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Ms. Cournoyea .

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Minister's Statement 16-12(3): World A.i.d.s. Day

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Thank you very much. Mr. Speaker, December 1 is World A.I.D.S. Day. The theme is "A.I.D.S.: Community Commitments". The topic this year is of special interest to us because in the Northwest Territories it is essential for communities to become actively involved in stopping the spread of this fatal disease.

In the Northwest Territories, 21 A.I.D.S. virus infections have been reported since 1987, eight of these have been reported in 1992. There is no doubt that there is A.I.D.S. in the Northwest Territories. Most of the infections have been found in young adult males, but women, children and seniors have been affected. Dene, Inuit and non-native residents have been affected.

A.I.D.S. is nearly always fatal. Six of the 21 reported infected persons already are known to have died. Other deaths may have occurred among those infected persons who left the Northwest Territories.

In addition to the 21 known H.I.V. infections, there are many more people in the N.W.T. who are infected with the A.I.D.S. virus but probably do not know about it. These persons will permit the disease to spread further and faster than in previous years. No community in the N.W.T. is safe from A.I.D.S.

Public education efforts over the past few years have provided most Northwest Territories residents with the basic information about A.I.D.S., but it cannot be restated too often.

The A.I.D.S. virus is not spread by food or water, it is not spread by saliva, sweat, tears, urine, hand shaking, swimming pool water, showers or toilets. A.I.D.S. is spread by unprotected sexual contact and by the sharing of contaminated needles for injection.

Knowing about the disease is not enough. If we are to stop the spread of A.I.D.S. people must know that there is a risk of infection from unprotected sex and adopt sexual practices that will protect them from that virus.

It has become clear that public education has not yet been very successful in changing sexual behavioural patterns. Until it is, our efforts to control the spread of the A.I.D.S. virus will not be effective.

In conclusion, I am very encouraged by the action being initiated by regional boards and community groups. I am also pleased to have the support of the Standing Committee on Finance in placing greater emphasis on an A.I.D.S. Awareness Program this year. In the future, we cannot afford to fail in the effort to control the spread of A.I.D.S. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 16-12(3): World A.i.d.s. Day

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Ms. Cournoyea . Minister statements, Mr. Pollard .

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Minister's Statement 17-12(3): N.W.T. Business Credit Corporation Board Appointments

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the following individuals have been recommended by Cabinet for Commissioner in executive council appointments to the Northwest Territories Business Credit Corporation. The B.C.C. board of directors will need people for a three-year term, Mr. Speaker. The individuals are: Mr. Al Woodhouse of Iqaluit; Mr. Jim Schaefer of Fort Smith; and Ms. Alison Wynn Barr of Rankin Inlet.

In addition, Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Mary King of Hay River has been appointed as Chairperson of the Northwest Territories Business Credit Corporation.

In all, five directors of the B.C.C. had terms that expired October 4, 1992. These appointments will fill three of those vacant positions. The remaining two vacancies will be considered by Cabinet in approximately six months' time, to provide continuity to the board.

The last official meeting of the B.C.C. board was held on September 30, 1992. Since that time, applications within the authority of the chairperson have been addressed by the Vice Chairperson, Mrs. Mary King, in accordance with the Northwest Territories Business Credit Corporation Act. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 17-12(3): N.W.T. Business Credit Corporation Board Appointments

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 2, Ministers' Statements. Item 3, Members' Statements. Item 4, Returns to Oral Questions. Ms. Cournoyea .

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Return To Question 123-12(3): Study On Rates Of N.w.t. Power Corporation

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral questions asked by Mr. Pudlat on November 27, 1992, with regard to the study on the rates of the N.W.T. Power Corporation.

The Power Corporation's rates are currently being reviewed by the Public Utilities Board. The board's review consists of two parts. First of all, revenue requirement, which is how much the Corporation can earn in total; and secondly, individual rates.

The revenue requirement stage has been going on for several months and should be completed soon. Then the board can begin to look at the corporation's rates and decide what fair rates are, and whether there should be so many different rates.

The rate review process is taking a long time because the Corporation's rates just came under the Public Utilities Board's jurisdiction in April, 1992. Therefore, this is the Corporation's first full rate application and it must meet many new regulatory requirements.

Mr. Speaker, I have another return to an oral question asked by Mr. Ningark on November 25, 1992, regarding funding for social services appeal committees.

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Return To Question 88-12(3): Funding For Social Services Appeal Committees

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

A social services appeal committee meeting is being planned for the Kitikmeot region in January. Funding is available in the Social Assistance Budget.

A letter will be sent on November 27, 1992, asking if the week of January 11, 1993, is acceptable to the committee for holding this meeting.

One of the planned agenda items is for the department's human resource officer, Jerry Fryer, to provide training to the committee on social assistance.

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Return To Question 88-12(3): Funding For Social Services Appeal Committees

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, Return to oral questions, Mr. Morin .

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Return To Question 132-12(3): Justification For Hiring Additional Positions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question, asked by Mr. Koe on November 30, 1992, regarding the justification for hiring additional positions.

The old Department of Government Services had five regional superintendents. After consolidation, these superintendents were replaced by manager positions. In three regions, the positions have become vacant because of promotion or resignation. These positions are now being filled through competition.

The information technology professionals advertisement covers competitions for vacancies in existing positions in the systems and computer services division. Staffing action is required in order to meet clients' demands. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Question 132-12(3): Justification For Hiring Additional Positions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, Returns to Oral Questions. Item 5, Oral Questions. Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 138-12(3): Decentralization Of Government Programs

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Stephen Kakfwi , you were in Cape Dorset alone and I was in Sanikiluaq at the time. I wanted to meet with you when you went to my constituency, but Mr. Minister had gone to Cape Dorset to meet with the local government in Cape Dorset.

Mr. Speaker, the Minister has some written information about the meeting that was held in Cape Dorset, and the residents of Cape Dorset wanted to find out what the Minister's plans are in this regard. I wonder if the Minister is going to go ahead with the decentralization of government programs that he discussed with the Cape Dorset Hamlet? Thank you.

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Question 138-12(3): Decentralization Of Government Programs

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Return To Question 138-12(3): Decentralization Of Government Programs

Question 138-12(3): Decentralization Of Government Programs

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, in the meeting that I had with Cape Dorset at the end of October, I met with the mayor and the council. I was presented with a brief proposal from the community, which outlined the approach, the process, and the resources the community felt it required in order to pursue community transfers.

We had a brief discussion with the councillors and made the commitment that we would follow-up with a meeting headed by the regional director and the staff from the departments that the communities are interested in talking with, plus staff from my office to go back and outline in more detail a discussion about the proposal they had submitted. As quickly as possible in the new year, we will respond with some money that the community had requested in order to get into the negotiations. That is where the situation is at. The regional director is presently trying to set up another follow-up meeting with the community, which was what we had agreed to at the time of the meeting. Thank you.

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did not indicate earlier what I was trying to ask for. I was trying to ask a question regarding community transfer initiatives. I would like to repeat the question. Just recently, on November 23, 1992, I received a letter from the hamlet regarding the proposals. I am not sure if you have received it yet, but it had outlined the plans for community transfers. How soon can the Minister indicate to me or give me a written plan for the community transfers? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the discussions are going to be with each individual community. Once we set up other meetings with the community, the community is going to decide, following some information that we give them, how they are going to get into the talks for community transfers. For instance, they are going to have discussions about taking over responsibilities in certain areas that at least initially both the community and ourselves feel should be fairly straightforward, such as in-housing and perhaps the Hunters' and Trappers' Association. Administration for some of these areas may be very straightforward.

Communities are going to discuss what the scope of the work and the responsibility is in a number of areas, and then all the programs and services and responsibilities that are available which they will get into without prejudicing any positions they have.

Following that, the community itself will decide which areas it will go after first. We will also be providing it with necessary money and information to help it make those decisions. Once that starts happening, the M.L.A. will be informed of the discussion and how it is progressing. The government itself, aside from the implementation plan that we provided last week, and which we tabled, is not going to come up with a detailed plan as to what we are going to do with Cape Dorset. Cape Dorset is going to be telling us what it wants to do. We will simply be trying to facilitate that process.

We will help them put a plan together. The plan will be developed not by the government but by the community. The Member will be provided with that information. Thank you.

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Question 139-12(3): Settling Of Disputes On Ownership Of Trap Lines

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Renewable Resources . Mr. Speaker, a concern was expressed to me by a couple of constituents, with regard to a trap line issue, in particular, with regard to the way Renewable Resources has arbitrarily decided to open up a certain trap line within our community. These constituents had the support of the Metis, and particularly the band, for this trap line to be granted to their family. I would like to ask the Minister of Renewable Resources how the department settles disputes on who should get a trap line

within a family once the individual who had the trap line registered in their name has passed on? Thank you.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Member from Fort Smith is referring to a trapper who recently passed away and had two sons, the sons are now going to be the owners of that trap line. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am referring to trap line 829, and the trapper did not have two sons, but two nephews. The band had decided that this trap line should be turned over to his sister who would give it to her two sons. Is the Minister indicating to this House that this trap line will, in fact, be registered to the two sons of the lady whose brother had passed away? Thank you.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Mr. Speaker, yes, the trap line will be taken over by the family, rather than an individual who was trapping in that area while the trapper was still alive. He expressed some interest in continuing trapping along that particular trap line. However, the department advises me that the trap line is going to be turned over to the family.

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Question 140-12(3): Planning And Funding For Inuvik Health Care Facility

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Merci, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Health . Earlier today, I spoke about the expectations of the residents of the Inuvik region concerning the construction of a replacement facility for the Inuvik Regional Hospital. As stated by the department during the 1988 health transfer, this facility is expected to be completed in 1998-99. Given that programming and planning for this facility would take two years, and construction would take three years, funding for the planning and programming of this facility would have to begin in the 1993-94 fiscal year to meet this timetable.

Could the Minister confirm to this House that planning for this facility will start next year and that funding will be identified for the planning of this facility in the 1993-94 Capital Plan?

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Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I will check on whether the planning money will be exactly in 1993-94, but to give a little bit of a background on that, when the two units in Iqaluit and Inuvik were discussed at the transfer time, we put up those dates and my recollection - I was not the Minister of Health at that time, but I was involved - is that we were aiming for about that period of time. There are a number of issues that have to be resolved in terms of the catchment area of the Inuvik region. I believe that we should be given the planning, but some major decisions will have to be made on who will be using the regional hospital.

For example, we have not decided what we are going to do with the Sahtu region. Half of that region is using our hospital, and the other half is in Yellowknife. That type of planning should begin to take place and the board or the region, should be addressing that as soon as possible. Unless that question is answered, it would be difficult to plan a facility not knowing what the catchment area is and who will be using the unit. I will check into the matter to see that the discussion begins very soon.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. These questions have to be answered. That is why planning should start immediately. Since the federal government has already contributed over $4 million toward its share of the capital costs in replacing this facility and major renovations for the Baffin hospital, will the Minister confirm that this funding already received by this government from the federal government will be used to plan for the new facility in Inuvik and for renovations to the Baffin hospital?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I would have to take that question as notice.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Justice . The honourable Members know of my concern about the message that the light sentencing of Diane Doyle will convey to northerners everywhere. Will the Minister of Justice explain how there is any deterrence value in sentencing someone who has committed a major theft to such a short term in jail?

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Ms. Mike , you are asking an opinion of the Minister. Will you rephrase your question and ask how it conforms to government policy? Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is there any deterrence in a short jail term for someone who has committed a major crime?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, if the question is whether I have an opinion on whether this particular case had any elements that would resemble deterrence for people in the future from committing the same type of offence, then the answer is, no. I have no opinion.

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If I could remind the honourable Members that, when posing questions to Ministers, the rules do not allow them to ask an opinion. To ask a Minister what government policy is on a certain issue is permissible, but not a personal opinion of a Minister. Item 5, Oral Questions. Supplementary, Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe strongly that we have come to a point where decisions coming out of the courts do not reflect the views of the public at large. My question to the Minister is, recognizing that this Assembly has an arm's length relationship with decisions made by the courts, what mechanism is in place to ensure that the judiciary does not lose contact with the values that are held by the people that it is supposed to serve?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are a couple of things that the Member may take comfort in. One of them is in the area of the courts and the justice system in Canada which recently have been focusing some attention on the victims. The courts and the administration of justice should have support and focus on victims. This is a very recent development as far as I know; it has been with us for just a few years.

As conservative an institution as justice is, and the bodies of law that we follow, there is still some optimism that most participants in the court and justice system in Canada are focusing some of their attention and energies on the role and plight of victims, whenever justice is being administered.

In the Northwest Territories is commonly expressed by the R.C.M.P., the judges and the courts that this system is not working, in that we have no sense of the results of processing people through the courts. As far as society is concerned, what is the return? We are pumping a great deal of money from the tax payers into a system that is already the most burdened in North America. On a per capita basis, the most money demanded by the rates of crime is in the north. We have to look at alternative means of having justice provided on behalf of the communities.

It is commonly expressed by judges and the R.C.M.P., and more and more communities are saying that they want to have a role. They want to have some ownership and participation in the administration of justice. The courts, the Department of Justice and the federal government are all indicating a great degree of interest and support for those communities that want to participate and make a difference.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am going to repeat the last part of my question. All I wanted to know is what policies are in place to ensure that the judiciary does not lose contact with the values that are held by the people it is supposed to serve?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I think the Member requires a written response and she will get that. Thank you.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Justice . The Minister is aware that there were a number of concerns expressed with regard to legal aid in the Auditor General's Report of 1991. He should also recall that the Standing Committee on Public Accounts tabled Committee Report 3-12(2) on June 25, Mr. Speaker, and a follow-up report on October 1. Both of these contain some specific recommendations regarding revision to the legal aid system.

Mr. Speaker, one of the serious problems outlined in this area was the inadequacy of existing information systems within the Department of Justice and the Legal Services Board. When the Public Accounts Committee followed up on the department's response to the June report, the Members were quite disappointed with the apparent slow progress that has taken place to this point.

I would like to ask the Minister if he will advise the House today as to the status of the department's action in upgrading the computer information system to provide managers with the information they need to monitor both costs and the quality of services?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I will take the question as notice.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Justice . Mr. Speaker, on the weekend I was in Fort Smith and when I was coming out of a confectionary store, I walked right in front of Diane Doyle. I am concerned as equally as my colleague from Baffin Central. Mr. Speaker, I know there is an exchange of service agreements which the territorial government shares with the federal correctional services. It was established primarily so that aboriginal people serving sentences longer than two years, would not lose touch with their cultural environment.

Recognizing that Ms. Doyle is not an aboriginal individual and that she has been granted three years, is the Minister's corrections division making use of the agreement to allow Ms. Doyle to remain within the territorial facilities, recognizing that she denied her right to an appeal? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I am not aware of the situation that the Member is referring to, so I will take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Question 144-12(3): Establishment Of Tripartite Committee For Delivery Of Social Housing

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation . Mr. Speaker, I understand that in other jurisdictions the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation and the provincial social housing delivery agents have formed committees with native organizations called tripartite management committees as a means of using the input of native organizations to plan and coordinate the delivery of housing.

I also understand that there is no such committee in the Northwest Territories and no formal role for the input of native organizations into the planning of social housing programs. My question to the Minister is, can he confirm that discussions have begun between the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation and the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation regarding the establishment of a tripartite management committee to include aboriginal representation in the planning and delivery of social housing programs?

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, those discussions have not begun.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Can the Minister advise this House as to whether any discussions have occurred with aboriginal organizations regarding these committees?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There have been no discussions with aboriginal organizations regarding this type of committee. I have had some informal talks with the president of the Metis Association, Gary Bohnet. I am also proposing, through this Legislative Assembly, through the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards, and Commissions, a solution by having aboriginal people as well as all northern people involved in giving direct input into those programs and policies of the N.W.T. Housing Corporation. I expect to be attending a meeting tomorrow evening regarding this issue. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister state to this House whether or not he believes that aboriginal people should be involved in the planning of social housing programs in the north?

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Michael Ballantyne

Can I remind honourable Members that they must phrase their questions to refer to government policy, not the opinion of the Minister. Mr. Koe .

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Can the Minister advise this House as to what his position is with regard to involving aboriginal people in the discussion and planning of social housing in the north?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member knows, and I have stated many times, that aboriginal people should be involved in the policy and program discussions of the Housing Corporation. I am a strong believer in this. Presently what I have recommended to the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions of this Legislative Assembly is stronger ties with our community housing authorities. The majority of those housing authorities are made up of aboriginal people. We have regional meetings once a year to discuss not only the maintenance, but the policy and programs of the Housing Corporation.

We then bring it to this level of government where we have a committee made up of six ordinary Members as well as myself, to make recommendations to Cabinet on some policy and program

issues. This Legislative Assembly is made up of a majority of aboriginal people. One of the reasons I ran and a lot of other people ran for the position of M.L.A. is to have input into the policy and programs of this government. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Justice . Back on June 23, and on many occasions during the past two years, I have asked a question regarding the review of a complaint placed by a young Inuit woman. This is the third Minister to hold the Justice portfolio since the incident. The victim of sexual assault was taken into custody by the R.C.M.P. and forced to travel across Canada in handcuffs. Mr. Speaker, this young woman was locked in the same R.C.M.P. vehicle as the man who assaulted her. Mr.

Speaker, will the current Minister of Justice confirm that even though several months have passed since that hearing, the R.C.M.P. Complaint Commission has still not made its report public? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, if I got the question right, he is asking me whether or not I can confirm that the R.C.M.P. investigation into this has not yet been made public. As far as I know, the Member is right. It has not been made public yet.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question 146-12(3): Status Of Request For Cape Dorset Museum

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment Programs. I would like to get a clarification regarding the Cape Dorset museum. The Cape Dorset people are requesting to have a house set up for a museum. I would like to ask the Minister what has been done with regard to the request of the Cape Dorset people.

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Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, in the absence of a Minister with that responsibility, Mr. Kakfwi will be answering questions for the interim period.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

I will take it as notice. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question 147-12(3): Establishment Of Initiative For Eligibility Criteria

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is regarding legal aid and is directed to the Minister of Justice . The Auditor General's report raised questions about client eligibility and cost recovery. This was also picked up by our Standing Committee on Public Accounts, and the recommendation for better eligibility criteria and an improved means test procedure was included in the committee's June report. Mr.

Speaker, in conducting our follow-up review of this, the standing committee was advised that the department had developed its own legal aid action plan which recommended that stricter guidelines for establishing regulations should be developed as soon as possible. Will the Minister advise the House as to whether this initiative has now been completed?

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Michael Ballantyne

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, no, it has not.

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Question 148-12(3): Status Of Revised Community Freezer Policy

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Renewable Resources . In the past, the department has funded a community freezers program to place large cold storage facilities in small communities. It is my understanding that the department undertook a review last summer of this policy and developed a revised policy. It is my understanding that this policy has never been implemented. Can the Minister tell us what the status of the revised community freezers policy is?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The policy has not been formally tabled at the Cabinet meetings. I hope that once we are out of the session and are able to work on these types of initiatives, I will be bringing that forward quite soon. I am told that the department has an initial draft of the policy that I may be able to take to Cabinet, but which I have not had time to review. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the absence of a policy, how has the department been funding the community freezers program for the past two years?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have not funded any community freezers. The bill has been picked up by the Department of Public Works and the maintenance of the freezers has been carried out by the D.P.W. local maintainers. Thank you.

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Question 149-12(3): Sale Of Staff Housing In Fort Smith

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Personnel . Mr. Speaker, in respect to the sale of staff housing, I am aware that many of the staff houses in Yellowknife that have been considered for sale have gone to the real estate agencies in Yellowknife. Can the Minister indicate to me when the staff houses that are considered for sale in Fort Smith will be going through the real estate agencies?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I cannot give the Member an exact date at this time, so I would have to get back to her on it.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, it is not a supplementary, but to ask the Minister if he is taking my question as notice?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mrs. Marie-Jewell , I think I have made it clear in the past that unless the Minister specifically says the question is taken as notice, I do not consider it taken as notice. Item 5, Oral Questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Since he has not indicated that he is taking the question as notice, Mr. Speaker, when will the Minister be able to reply to my question? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, if my staff would give me an exact date, then it would be available. She would get it this afternoon if I had had some notice. I could have had it for her today. As early as possible is the answer. Thank you.

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Question 150-12(3): Dissatisfaction With Performance Of R.c.m.p. Complaints Commission

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you. Just a follow-up with regard to the R.C.M.P. Complaints Commission. Mr. Speaker, the R.C.M.P. Complaints Commission is supposed to provide Canadians with an appropriate mechanism for airing their grievances when they feel they have been badly treated by the police. Will the Minister of Justice contact the Solicitor General of Canada immediately and express his displeasure in the performance of the R.C.M.P. Complaints Commission?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, if the request is for myself as a Minister to express my displeasure as the Minister of Justice about the lengthy delay in hearing the conclusion of the investigation into this particular complaint, then I will do that. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

I have one final supplementary, Mr. Speaker. This government does handle all the contracts for the R.C.M.P. I would like to ask whether this government or the Department of Justice have looked at other forums in which complaints could be launched against the R.C.M.P.?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are other forums in which to lodge complaints against our police force. Thank you.

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Question 151-12(3): Completion Of Code Of Rights

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Public Accounts Committee was concerned that many residents of the Northwest Territories are not aware of their rights and obligations within the legal aid system. In our committee report 13, the standing committee recommended that a code of rights be drawn up and translated into all official languages. Can the Minister indicate whether this code of rights has been completed and is ready for tabling in the House?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I would have to take that question as notice. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for the N.W.T. Power Corporation. Mr. Speaker, does the corporation have a specific model for research in development planning? If so, can the Minister provide us with a copy? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

That was two questions. Mr. Ningark , perhaps you would like to ask one or the other? Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Mr. Speaker, does the corporation have a specific model for research in development planning? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take that question as notice. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Question has been taken as notice. Item 5, Oral Questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Question 153-12(3): Selection Of New Minister

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to pose this question to the Government Leader . The last two Ministers that have visited me in my constituency have both resigned, so that tells me there is a lot of concern.

---Laughter

Perhaps I should ask the Members here which one should be invited next.

---Applause

---Laughter

I would like to ask the Government Leader how and when the selection of the new Minister will take place. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

I think I will delay my proposed visit to your constituency, Mr. Antoine .

---Laughter

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, in my understanding, the normal process that has taken place before will be followed this time. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question 154-12(3): Implementation Of Recommendations On Legal Aid System

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Justice again. This is with regard to legal aid. Concern was expressed in the Auditor General's report and also in our standing committee reports. Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Justice has been aware of the problems identified by the Auditor General for almost a year. He has been aware of our standing committee's concern in this area since last June. Why has he not taken steps to make sure that there will be a more serious attempt to implement the recommendations about the legal aid system? Why has he not done anything aggressively to date?

All of the questions I have asked today, he took as notice. What is the Minister doing?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, it should be obvious to everyone in the House, particularly the Member, that I am not up to date on this particular issue. If he had given me some notice we would have had a friendly exchange of information today. I have taken most of them as notice, because I do not want to chance...

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Are you going to let me answer? I will answer you. If you had given me notice, I would have given you full information on all the questions you asked. I did not say any of them were not acted upon. I just said that they are not all completed. I cannot rattle off the top of my head everything that is being done. I do not want to give you an incomplete answer. I want to give you a full up-to-date answer. So take it as notice and I will give you a complete answer when I have the information and am able to give it to you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

If I could remind Members that our rules allow a Minister to take a question as notice and the Minister is well within his rights to do that. Item 5, Oral Questions. New question, Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, I have a new question. Is the Minister taking my previous question as notice?

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi , I am sorry, have you actually specifically said that you took it as notice?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I tried to explain in my last response the reasons why the Member is getting frustrated here. In response to an earlier question, regarding legal aid, I have taken that question as notice. The Member is continuing to rephrase the same question about the same subject. That is why I took the time to elaborate in my last response, to say in a long clear way that I am taking it as notice. He did not understand it the first time, maybe he understood it the second time, but this is the last time. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The Minister is taking the question as notice. For the clarification of the House, when the Minister took the first question as notice, the supplementary question, I felt, posed a different approach and as such I thought that it was fair, and that the subsequent question was also fair. The Minister answered one and took another one as notice. Concerning the last question, where I had some difficulty with

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Question 156-12(3): Regional Representation On N.W.T. Power Corporation Board

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 227

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for the N.W.T. Power Corporation, but it is different from the original question. What is the level of regional representation on your board? Where are the Members from? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I will provide that information to the Member. I do not have the exact locations and communities in my head. I know it is in this book here, and I will pass it on to him. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The Member did not take that question as notice. Item 5, Oral Questions. Item 6, Written Questions. Item 7, Returns to Written Questions. Item 8, Replies to Opening Address. Item 9, Petitions. Item 10, Reports of Standing and Special Committees. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take the opportunity to present the report of the Special Committee on Constitutional Reform.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Proceed please, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Committee Report 3-12(3): Final Report Of The Special Committee On Constitutional Reform

Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, on October 26, 1992, the majority of residents of the Northwest Territories voted "yes" in the national referendum on constitutional reform.

However, the majority of residents in six provinces voted against the constitutional reform proposed by the Charlottetown Accord. This "no" vote registered by the majority of Canadians brought to an end the latest round of constitutional negotiations, which had been launched on March 12, 1992, and the meeting between federal, provincial, territorial and aboriginal representatives.

The Charlottetown Accord had proposed the most extensive package of amendments to the Constitution of Canada since 1867. As a result of the October 26 national referendum, none of these proposed constitutional amendments will be acted upon at this time.

In the report of the special committee, tabled April 1, 1992, as Committee Report 9-12(2), the committee recommended that five major issues should be closely monitored in the current round of multi-lateral consultations.

The five areas of particular importance were; one, territorial participation in public and private meetings and conferences on constitutional, economic and aboriginal matters; two, constitutional recognition of an inherent right to aboriginal self-government; three, the effects of the constitutional amending formula on future political and constitutional development of the Northwest Territories; four, the implications to the territories of the Canadian Economic Union proposals and the mechanisms for decentralization of the federation and; fiv