Debates of March 7th, 2013

This is page numbers 2429 – 2482 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 41-174): Anti-Poverty Strategy

Minister’s Statement 42-17(4): Availability Of Rentals For Critical Staff

Minister’s Statement 43-17(4): Alcohol Ignition Interlock Program

NWT Electoral Boundaries Commission Interim Report

Devolution Agreement Plebiscite

Hay River Community Wellness Planning

Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

Medical Travel Escort Policy For Seniors

Real Estate Agents’ Licensing Act

Aboriginal Prison Populations

Committee Report 1-17(4): Standing Committee On Government Operations Report On The Review Of The 2011-2012 Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission Annual Report

Motion To Receive Committee Report 1-17(4) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

Real Estate Agents’ Licensing Act

Hay River Community Wellness Planning

Alcohol Ignition Interlock Program

Correctional Centre Treatment Programs

Medical Travel Escort Policy For Seniors

Meeting With Federal Minister Of Aboriginal Affairs And Northern Development

Devolution Agreement Plebiscite

Aboriginal Prison Populations

Alcohol Ignition Interlock Program

Alcohol Ignition Interlock Program

On-The-Land Treatment Programs

Correctional Centre Treatment Programs

Written Question 23-17(4): Incarceration Rates For NWT Correctional Facilities

Tabled Document 41-17(4): Transportation Of Dangerous Goods 2012 Annual Report

Tabled Document 42-17(4): Report Of The Auditor General Of Canada 2013: Northwest Territories Income Security Programs - Department Of Education, Culture And Employment

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:31 p.m.

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Prayer

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister responsible for the Anti-Poverty Strategy, Mr. Abernethy .

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Minister’s Statement 41-174): Anti-Poverty Strategy

Ministers’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, to live in poverty in Canada is to live with insufficient and often poor quality food. It is to sleep in poor quality and/or unaffordable housing, in homeless shelters, or on city streets and parks. It means making difficult and painful decisions on a daily basis involving trade-offs, whether to pay the rent or feed the kids, pay the electric bill or go to the dentist, buy a new bus pass or forego socializing with friends. To live in poverty is also to be at greater risk of poor health, family or neighborhood violence, and a shorter lifespan.

It is to be unable to participate fully in one’s community and greater society. It is to suffer great depths of anxiety and emotional pain.

When our government was elected, we set a goal of helping our residents become and stay healthy, educated people free from poverty. Since then, Ministers have stood in this House many times to talk about initiatives that will help us reach that goal. Our Premier and Finance Minister laid the groundwork. Early in our mandate they established a sustainable approach to making our territory prosperous in partnership with other northern governments. Minister Beaulieu has spoken of supports to people with mental health and addictions issues, including the desperate need for prevention and harm reduction.

Minister McLeod has introduced a number of programs that address housing needs, especially the new fair and sustainable public housing rent scales and changes to home ownership programs. Minister Lafferty has spoken many times about our government’s support for early childhood development and for comprehensive education programs that get our residents ready to enter the workforce. Minister

Ramsay is leading the development of a socially responsible Economic Development Strategy that will provide all our residents with opportunities and choices. We have made sustainable, vibrant, and safe communities our goal.

Mr. Speaker, all of our goals and initiatives are related. Our government’s entire agenda is an Anti-Poverty Strategy. A strong, diversified economy increases employment opportunities where they are most needed. Those opportunities come from investments in education and early childhood development. All of this work has the goal of reducing and preventing poverty throughout the NWT.

This is, and will always be, a shared effort. Poverty is complex. Although there is a widening gap between those who are prospering and those who are just getting by, poverty is not just about money. It can mean a family does not have enough healthy food. It can mean they have poor quality or unaffordable housing. It always means they have to make difficult decisions about how to make ends meet. People who live in poverty are at greater risk of poor health and violence, and they often aren’t able to participate fully in their communities.

The budget that is before the House is the first step. It includes new investments of approximately $3.4 million in our Mental Health and Addictions Action Plan, in early childhood development, and in helping Northerners capture the benefits associated with exploration in the Sahtu. These are long-term investments, but Members know they start paying off immediately.

As we prepare for the opportunities that will come with devolution, self-government and increasing economic development, we commit to addressing inequalities that keep our people from succeeding in education and the workforce. In partnership with Aboriginal governments, community governments, non-government organizations and others, we are developing a framework that will set out how we will all work together to reduce poverty.

This framework will play an influential role in our government’s social agenda and will be the basis for much of our work throughout this Assembly, setting the stage for real gains in the next five to 10 years. It will also include a mechanism to ensure long-term continuity of coordinated efforts to reduce poverty.

There is no place for poverty in the NWT. This is the shared belief of many Northerners as well as the individuals and organizations who came together to build this framework. Over the coming months my Cabinet colleagues and I will return to this House to discuss new investments and new ways to deliver programs to reduce poverty in the North. These investments will be part of an action plan based on the framework and developed with Members.

We believe in strong individuals, families and communities sharing the benefits and responsibilities of a unified, environmentally sustainable and prosperous Northwest Territories. I look forward to talking to Members about ways to achieve this shared vision. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 41-174): Anti-Poverty Strategy

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. McLeod.

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Minister’s Statement 42-17(4): Availability Of Rentals For Critical Staff

Ministers’ Statements

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Robert C. McLeod

Minister Responsible for NWT Housing Corporation

Mr. Speaker, a lack of affordable, adequate and suitable housing creates challenges in recruiting staff for the GNWT, Aboriginal governments and for community governments. Staff need homes to live in if they are going to continue delivering the programs and services the people of the NWT rely on their governments for.

Currently, the NWT Housing Corporation has about 90 market rentals in communities and has provided support to communities and other organizations for another 40 units. The NWT Housing Corporation is taking steps that will expand this stock and help to address this issue.

We are standardizing the rents in our units using the same community zone system as is used for the public housing rent scale. In the past, rents were based on individual unit costs and could vary significantly. The new rates are fairer and will give potential staff more certainty about their housing costs. As an example, a two-bedroom unit in

Fort Liard will be rented for $1,250 per month with the tenant paying for electricity and municipal services.

The NWT Housing Corporation is also working closely with stakeholders within the education and health sectors, areas of particular concern, to improve the availability of information on NWT Housing Corporation rentals.

Mr. Speaker, we are also re-launching the Housing for Staff program. This program allows the NWT Housing Corporation to partner with community organizations and developers to expand the availability of rental units in smaller NWT communities. The program was in place during the 16th Assembly, but we have made changes to

increase its effectiveness, including increasing the subsidy provided to developers in the northern part of the territory to reflect higher construction costs. We are also changing the requirement that developers only rent to GNWT staff to receive the subsidy to allow for rentals to Aboriginal and community government staff as well as GNWT staff. These organizations face similar recruitment challenges as the GNWT and this step will help address that, while expanding the pool of potential tenants for developers.

Mr. Speaker, we share Members’ concern about vacant home ownership units. We will immediately make these units available for rental in cases where there haven’t been eligible clients apply for our Homeownership Support Program. This will use our stock more efficiently and make more units available to staff that deliver critical services. This approach will not impact our home ownership programs, but will allow us to get the most out of our housing stock.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, there are communities where the lack of available housing for staff that deliver critical services is particularly severe. The NWT Housing Corporation is consulting with stakeholders and reviewing each community’s stock of rental units, and we will invest to develop more units where they are most needed and no private developer is willing to invest.

Mr. Speaker, these actions will be a significant contribution to addressing the problem of availability of housing for staff that deliver critical services. The steps I have outlined will improve our ability to work with potential staff on housing options and is expected to expand the market rental stock supported by the NWT Housing Corporation by about 50 percent. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 42-17(4): Availability Of Rentals For Critical Staff

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Ramsay .

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Minister’s Statement 43-17(4): Alcohol Ignition Interlock Program

Ministers’ Statements

Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, we know that impaired driving leads to injuries, death, and millions of dollars in property damage across Canada every year. Statistics Canada recently reported the NWT and Yukon had the highest rates of impaired driving across the country in 2012. Ninety-four NWT residents were convicted for impaired driving last year. That number doesn’t include administrative suspensions where licences were removed temporarily for blowing over the legal limit in roadside breathalyser tests. The Department of Transportation is taking action to turn these dismal statistics around.

Today I’m pleased to announce the Alcohol Ignition Interlock Program in an effort to make our roads safer. An ignition interlock is an in-car breath

screening device connected to the ignition and power systems of a vehicle. The device prevents the vehicle from starting if the driver’s blood alcohol concentration is over a pre-set limit.

Individuals who’ve lost their licences due to impaired driving convictions may be eligible for early reinstatement of their driving privileges in return for meeting specific requirements under the Ignition Interlock Program. If the registrar approves an application, participants may have an interlock device installed in their vehicle, at their own expense, at a cost of $125.00 per month.

Participants remain in the program until their driving prohibitions are lifted, unless removed by the registrar or they voluntarily withdraw. Participants must meet licensing conditions imposed by the registrar and show a clean record with no violations for the last three consecutive months to complete the program.

Mr. Speaker, the department is working with Canada’s leading provider of ignition interlock devices to deliver services to NWT residents using proven technology that effectively reduces the rate of impaired driving. All Canadian provinces and the Yukon administer interlock programs and report the devices work because they mechanically stop impaired driving before it begins.

The Department of Transportation has worked closely with jurisdictional partners, including Alberta, Saskatchewan, Newfoundland and Manitoba, to introduce this program. The department also consulted with the RCMP and municipal enforcement as well as with the NWT judiciary. The department continues to collaborate with the youth organization, SADD, through its Yellowknife Chapter, to combat drinking and driving in the NWT and increase public safety on our roads and highways.

We appreciate the cooperation from our provincial partners, enforcement agencies, the judiciary and Students Against Drunk Driving, whose members are with us this afternoon as visitors in the gallery. They are key partners in combatting drinking and driving and increasing public safety on our roads and highways.

I invite residents to check the DOT website for more information on how to qualify for entry to the program. Our web address is www.dot.gov.nt.ca.

Mr. Speaker, the Ignition Interlock Program demonstrates the department’s continued commitment to reduce incidents of impaired driving in the Northwest Territories. Driving is a privilege, not a right, and every person must be sober when behind the wheel. Initiatives such as the Ignition Interlock Program advance the 17th Assembly goal

of building sustainable, vibrant, and safe communities by focusing on prevention. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 43-17(4): Alcohol Ignition Interlock Program

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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NWT Electoral Boundaries Commission Interim Report

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Electoral Boundaries Commission is touring the Northwest Territories to hear feedback on its proposals to change the number of MLAs in this Assembly and who they represent. I fear that most people do not know how important this is. It goes to the core of how NWT residents are represented and whether consensus government can work.

I have carefully reviewed the proposed electoral boundaries and they are very troubling. All would increase the very powerful influence on our government to an unacceptable level. It is so obvious that Yellowknife is already represented extremely well by its seven MLAs, and three of them Cabinet Ministers.

Our consensus system relies on a balance between the capital and the regions. All the commission’s proposals would distort that balance and exaggerate the divisions between rural and urban ridings that sometimes plague us even now.

The people of Alaska reduced this problem by choosing Juneau as the capital instead of the much larger Fairbanks, and British Columbia’s capital is Victoria, not Vancouver. I think maybe we should move our capital to Fort Simpson.

---Laughter

Seriously, Mr. Speaker. Besides boosting Yellowknife’s power, every proposal has fatal problems. They all ignore fundamental boundaries, deep historic rivalries, political realities, language and administrative efficiencies.

For example, the proposal for 18 ridings and one of the plans for 19 ridings create a new district made up of eight small Deh Cho, Monfwi and Tu Nedhe communities. Their first language is Slavey, Tlicho and Chipewyan. At least three Dene land claim regions are represented, plus Metis claims. Throw in the fact that transportation links between these communities are poor at best and you have a total nightmare for any MLA. It’s impossible to fully represent the people in this proposed riding. It appears that the potential for conflict of interest was completely ignored.

The final proposal for 19 ridings is similarly flawed, so is the one for 21 ridings.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

The final proposal for 19 ridings is similarly flawed and so is the one for 21 ridings. The latter actually includes nine ridings with constituents living in Yellowknife. That is beyond belief. I cannot support more MLAs for the capital, let alone two more.

In short, each proposal of the Electoral Boundaries Commission is a recipe for disaster. Adopting any one of them will compromise, not improve, representation of NWT residents. Adopting any one of them will erode or even destroy our consensus system. Until boundaries are proposed that are actually improved representation, I cannot support tampering with the current electoral system until, perhaps, next term. I urge the status quo. I also urge all constituents and/or NWT residents who care about consensus government to speak up during the remaining public sessions.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Devolution Agreement Plebiscite

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A couple of weeks ago the Premier told us yet again that the signing of the Devolution Agreement is just days away, but useful context is still missing in the information he provides. Yes, the public has had access to a very complicated agreement-in-principle, and we have seen media relations centred on milestones rather than content. There is a website people can go to for information, but it’s mostly information going out with no invitation for debate. Opportunities for public engagement have been limited or nil. The Land Use Sustainability Framework consultation came and went, I think; a profile that was so ephemeral that it scarcely bears mention.

When does the full public review and debate take place on the quality of the agreement being unveiled? What will the process for public comment be and how will the Premier ensure a meaningful way to take citizens’ concerns into account as we move to set up our own resource management apparatus? Will this House have an opportunity to vote on the agreement? Incredibly, this has never been made clear.

The Members’ general support for devolution has been pretty clear. Doesn’t the government want formal and democratic endorsement providing for debate and the imprint of consent and validation upon this historic step?

I’m hearing growing calls for a plebiscite. Support for devolution appears strong. The real benefit of a vote would be in the exploration of issues. Nothing would focus public interest and attention so much as an opportunity to take

part in a historic decision. If the government really thinks this is a great deal,

and it clearly does, a plebiscite would be an ultimate demonstration of that faith.

The devolution of resource management is the biggest last stage in political development short of provincehood. Although the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act, a substantial part of resource management, is apparently missing from the draft agreement, we still have here a monumental historic step. Government leads, but as we move to the next level of political responsibility, wouldn’t it be good to take our people along with us?

As we approach a draft final agreement, I will have questions for the Premier on the immediate plans for bringing devolution home.

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Devolution Agreement Plebiscite

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Hay River Community Wellness Planning

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My community was very excited to have participated in a community wellness planning session which I had the pleasure of attending in Hay River on January 23rd . Over 200 members of

the Community Interagency Group and elders participated in this consultation activity and many important points of interest were raised. It was apparent, early in the session, that Hay River has a number of wonderful things going on, and communication between the agencies and partners needs to be a priority.

During the consultation sessions, various strategies were identified as immediate areas of actions such as community mentorship programs, more youth counselling, more sober family events, more prenatal parent activities, nutrition programs, and support for the existing Lights On Program for youth. Also identified was as an immediate area to address is the need for a community wellness worker to coordinate events, disseminate information, bring partners together, and help the community in cooperatively building partnerships.

A community wellness project will not only help the community to access First Nations and Inuit Health Branch funding that Hay River has never accessed before, it will have a much greater impact on the community as groups have made strong commitments to partnership and to work on projects together for the future.

The community wellness plan should also give organizations a clearer direction of the needs of the residents of Hay River. Removing barriers to programs was a clear message heard at all levels of consultation.

Another common theme that became evident throughout the session was that priority needs to be given to reaching out to the most vulnerable members of the community and changing the way we do business. Community members made it very clear that they want to see their front-line workers leave their offices and go to those in need of their services, instead of living the theme you build it and they will come. We know this is not working.

The community wants to see its workers out serving clients where the clients are, changing office hours so that government agencies that support these clients are available even after regular work hours. Many ideas and strategies for improving and focusing attention on wellness in the community were identified and the community looks forward to seeing action on these items.

I would like to extend a big thank you to Sabrina Broadhead and the Department of Health and Social Services for their vision and action on this topic. A special thank you to Jill Taylor, chair of the Wellness Planning Session, for her hard work and contribution of countless volunteer hours providing opportunities for our community, especially for the youth and the vulnerable residents who so often cannot represent themselves. This type of action, the community wellness project, helps in making it easier for communities to work together, access funding and move forward, and it is a great step in making our community and our territory a healthier place to live.

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Hay River Community Wellness Planning

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The Member for the Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are builders in the North. The North is building itself, and now we are living in interesting times. We just completed the Deh Cho Bridge and we’re nearing completion of the Devolution Agreement. Now our eyes are focused on the Mackenzie Valley Highway. I am pleased to be able to provide my support for the Mackenzie Valley Highway and also for the Tuk-Inuvik road.

I know that the leadership in the Mackenzie Beaufort region has worked hard for many years and worked with both governments to make this project a reality. I believe this project will benefit the residents of the region, but I also believe it will benefit all people in the Northwest Territories and Canada as a whole, most importantly for us in the Sahtu. We are confident that if this project is successful, then other highway projects in our own region will follow and also will be successful.

The Inuvik to Tuk highway will provide residents in the region with a year-round link to the South and help reduce the cost of living in the communities

such as Tuktoyaktuk. It will also allow residents better access to health care, education, recreation and other government services. Very importantly, it will reduce the cost of providing such services in the region by our own government. We’re all aware that this region is depressed economically and this project will provide an important economic boost. It will establish infrastructure that will stimulate economic development in the region. We all know there are major discovered hydrocarbon resources in the Beaufort Sea, and that a year-round link by road to the Beaufort will greatly increase the likelihood of such projects to proceed.

Economic development in this region will benefit all of us in the Northwest Territories. Having grown up in a small, isolated Aboriginal community, I can acknowledge how costly and difficult it is to obtain the basic goods, supplies and services in our communities such as Tulita, Deline, Colville, Fort Good Hope and Norman Wells. This is why many of us in the Sahtu are extremely supportive of building the public infrastructure, and particularly would like to see the construction of the Bear River Bridge and the Mackenzie Highway.

The recent decision by the federal government to invest this amount of money into the North is unprecedented. It is a sign that Canada is willing to again build infrastructure in the North, and we in the Sahtu believe that if we are successful in working with the federal government to build the Inuvik-Tuk highway, then it will pave a way for Canada to work with us to follow with this project by constructing the Mackenzie Valley Highway.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Completing the highway and connecting Canada from coast to coast to coast will be a big boost to all Canadians in establishing a year-round transportation link to our Arctic coastline. It will also be a major step to protect our Canadian sovereignty. We think it will lead to further investments in other regions such as the Sahtu.

I am very pleased to be able to support this project. Truly, we stand here and say the North was built by Northerners and will continue to be built by our own people in the future. We have a dream.

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Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Medical Travel Escort Policy For Seniors

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the last few weeks, Members have spoken a lot and asked many questions about the GNWT Medical Travel

Policy, and I have another unique and special situation that I want to comment on today.

As NWT residents age, it’s not uncommon for there to be an increase in the health problems amongst our elders. It means they access the health system more, and in many cases treatment must be outside the elders’ home community and often requires an escort to travel with the patient. The defined age of elders varies considerably in the GNWT and across Canada, but it’s generally accepted to be 65 plus. Does our Medical Travel Policy permit escorts for patients 65 and over?

Apparently not, according to the recent experience of a Yellowknife constituent in the elder category. Her health condition required a trip out for treatment. Funding to cover the cost of an escort to travel with her was denied by GNWT health. My question is, should it have been?

Through this experience I’ve learned a whole new term: policy by commitment. MLAs regularly hear Ministers commit to things here in the House during oral questions and in Committee of the Whole. But what do these commitments mean? If it is a policy commitment, it is not written and recognized as a Cabinet officially sanctioned policy, but it should be considered a valid policy change.

Again, in March 6, 2009, Hansard, then Minister of Health Sandy Lee stated…

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Medical Travel Escort Policy For Seniors

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

In March 6, 2009, Hansard, then Minister of Health Sandy Lee stated, “Our program also provides for non-medical escorts where a patient needs assistance for physical support or even mental support for those who are in particular situations. Anyone over 65 is eligible for even non-medical escorts and for

interpretation.” Yet, the GNWT Medical Travel Policy makes no reference to this provision, and my constituent was denied funding for something approved by two ministerial

statements. So just what weight does the Minister’s word carry?

I will have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services at the appropriate time. Thank you.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Real Estate Agents’ Licensing Act

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Buying your first home, or buying a home in general, will no doubt be the most expensive purchase you make in your lifetime. Many of us use the services of a real estate agent or broker, but because of the uniqueness of the North, and sometimes the limited number of agents available, it would be deemed reasonable for buyers or sellers to often be confused of the role of the real estate agent.

Who does the agent represent, the buyer or the seller? In some cases the agent would represent both and this is what we call dual agency.

Our Real Estate Agents’ Licensing Act came into force in 1991 and it provides the basic governance for real estate agents in the Northwest Territories and, in my humble opinion, has not kept pace with the developments in real estate practices. In my analysis, this act does not contain some of the basic provisions found in real estate law in other jurisdictions that respond to increasing trends in real estate practice in Canada.

More importantly, the dealing of dual agency concerns and the protection of owners and sellers under the right of representation disclaimers is entirely missing from the act.

The issue of dual agency can be a problematic practice. That is, how can a real estate agent advise and negotiate two parties in the same deal? Or how can an agent have two masters? This is a valid conflict of interest situation for sure, yet the middle ground to finding resolve within this dilemma can be as simple as the consumer being fully informed, hence the representation disclaimer.

This simple fix within the legislation can allow both clients the understanding and the appreciation of what they might be losing and what they might be gaining by adopting a dual agency environment. In legal terms, dual agents should not operate in a fiduciary relationship with either party, and must treat both buyers and sellers equally. They cannot share confidential information and they must not give confidential advice.

It is evident that we need to look a bit more closely at the Real Estate Agents’ Licensing Act so that these potential risks that are created by gaps in legislation can be dealt with in this changing environment.

I will have questions later today for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs who is responsible for this act. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Aboriginal Prison Populations

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When I awoke this morning I was listening to the news, and something that caught my attention – and I heard the report three times – and that was the national report on the Aboriginal prison population that has jumped in the last 10 years. In the report it says that Aboriginals are 4 percent of the Canadian population but 23 percent of all inmates in the correctional facilities. That’s very alarming. It also mentioned that 25 percent of them are males, one-third are females and then when you get into some of the western Canadian facilities that number goes up, in some cases over 65 percent.

There’s a lot of variables that I was thinking about and some of the presentations and discussions, briefings we had this week, specifically with Skills Canada they talked about low literacy rates that add to these things.

Mental health and addictions, which we’ve discussed and has been mentioned in the Anti-Poverty Strategy, socio-economic factors, low employment rates, family violence, poverty and homelessness all contribute to putting our people into jails, and we can’t forget, either, the residential school system and some of our mental disorders that some people in the Northwest Territories have to live with. That kind of goes to something that we’ve been pushing on the side and the Minister responsible for Justice has actually been working on, is the mental health courts.

How many of these individuals go through the system but come back out and continue to go through the system, not getting the appropriate help that they need, or ones that go into the system don’t get the appropriate judicial requirements that might get them treatment rather than being institutionalized. Literacy rates all go into effect in terms of looking at filling out forms or applications and possibly not understanding the conditions in which they were paroled.

In some cases, that was mentioned in the report as well, that some of the parole conditions some of the Aboriginal people get picked up for are very minor and get sent back to jail.

So some of these things need to be addressed and I’d like to find the strategy, and I’ve been reviewing the 10-year strategy for the Department of Justice and some of those things are mentioned. So I will have questions today for the Minister of Justice on how we can bring those rates down and help our people in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Equally, like my colleague Alfred Moses here, I too woke up this morning to the national news where they were piping out this story with a shocking, if not shameful, reality. One story clearly said that Aboriginal people are so vastly overrepresented in Canada’s federal prison system that current policies are clearly failing them. I could not agree more with that.

It went on to talk about the gaps in the corrections system, how it’s failing Aboriginal people. This is a shame. This should be a call to action, if not a simple marquis of this federal government to say let’s correct this, let’s set strategies to fix this problem once and for all.

As my colleague Mr. Moses had said, when you represent 4 percent of the national population, it’s almost a shame to hear that they’re proving the facts that they’re representing 23 percent of the federal prison population. Something is wrong. Something, clearly, is terribly wrong.

These alarming facts must be addressed. As a Member of this Assembly I also have a bit of an experience, if not a unique experience, I have a former experience of being a territorial employee who worked for the Department of Justice and I worked in the corrections system. I have witnessed these outlandish numbers of unfair balance

whereas Aboriginal people truly are over-representing themselves in the corrections system. Again, this should be a shocking reality that this government wants to wake up to and say, what are we going to do. Perhaps this reality should motivate the Department of Justice to examine itself, its current practices and policies. Again, as a former corrections employee, I can tell you that at least 75 percent of the inmates there were all there because of things that were all driven by substance abuse that led them down that garden path into terrible circumstances. They became victims themselves, not just the victimizers of others, that were punished.

There are numerous options before us and they avail themselves through the courts, but there are more options out there than just punishment and punishment. What about treatment, treatment, treatment?

So I hope this McLeod government realizes, as they continue to cuddle up to the Conservatives, that, yes, there are many options out there besides crime and punishment that just inflicts further punishment. There are other options that are necessary due to certain circumstances. There are

treatment options and there are poverty solutions. They are always a factor to the long-term solution. Don’t let us miss yet another opportunity to solve this problem.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Before we go on, colleagues, I would like to welcome Ms. Emma Ouellette, the daughter of our own Darrin Ouellette. Welcome to the House, Emma. Can you stand up? There you go. Welcome.

Today I forgot, and I apologize to my mother-in-law and father-in-law, it’s their 43rd wedding anniversary

today. Congratulations to Fred and Edith Bourke on their wedding anniversary. Thank you, colleagues, for taking the time for that.

Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. Mr. Nadli .

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Committee Report 1-17(4): Standing Committee On Government Operations Report On The Review Of The 2011-2012 Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission Annual Report

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Standing Committee on Government Operations is pleased to provide its Report on the Review of the 2011-2012 Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission Annual Report and commends it to the House.

Introduction

The Standing Committee on Government Operations has concluded its review of the 2011-2012 Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission Annual Report. The standing committee would like to thank Mr. Charles Dent, chair of the Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission, and Ms. Deborah McLeod, director of Human Rights, who appeared before the committee on February 14, 2013. The committee also wishes to express its appreciation for the long service of the outgoing chair, Ms. Mary Pat Short, and the outgoing director, Ms. Therese Boullard.

2011-2012 Annual Report

Mary Pat Short of Fort Smith, Rita Mueller from Behchoko, Roger Wah-Shee from Yellowknife, Yacub Adam from Yellowknife, and William Turner from Yellowknife were members of the commission during the 2011-2012 fiscal year.

In 2011-2012 the director of Human Rights received 367 inquiries, 57 percent of which originated in Yellowknife. There were 38 new complaints of discrimination on the grounds prohibited under the NWT Human Rights Act. Approximately 71 percent of the new complaints alleged discrimination in their

employment. Disability was with by far the highest number of complaints, 21, as it has been for the past seven years. The standing committee remains deeply concerned by the high number of complaints of discrimination on grounds of disability.

The Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission has done excellent promotional work to inform citizens of their rights and responsibilities. The standing committee is pleased that the commission representatives visited eight communities over the year, and that workshops and audio conferences were offered in regional centres as well as in Yellowknife.

During fiscal years 2010-2011 and 2011-2012, the Human Rights Commission initiated a pilot project in which it became a party to all complaints referred to hearings to the separate and independent Northwest Territories Human Rights Adjudication Panel. The purpose of the pilot project was to ease the burden on self-represented parties by ensuring, through legal representation of the commission, that all relevant information was before the adjudicator. During the pilot project the commission became party to 17 complaints.

The standing committee strongly agrees that the public interest is served by ensuring there is a balance between parties to a complaint. The commission’s revenue was reduced in 2011-2012 by $13,000 from the previous year while legal expenses rose to nearly $82,000 from about $29,000. Members believe that the commission should continue to have the opportunity to become a party to complaints referred for hearings and that it should be corporately funded for this purpose.

Recommendation

The Standing Committee on Government Operations recommends that the Board of Management provide sufficient additional funding for legal expenses on an ongoing basis to permit the Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission to continue becoming a party to all complaints referred to hearings before the Northwest Territories Human Rights Adjudication Panel.

When the NWT Human Rights Act came into force in 2004, it was considered to be the most modern

and up to date legislation of its kind in Canada. During the year the commission chair expressed the view that a review of the act’s 10-year anniversary would be appropriate. The standing committee reviewed all of the annual reports of the Human Rights Commission, all committee reports, and all the government’s responses in considering whether there may now be a need for an overall review of the legislation.

Recommendation

The Standing Committee on Government Operations recommends that the Board of Management provide sufficient additional funding for the Human Rights Commission to review the NWT Human Rights Act in the context of current Canadian human rights legislation and Northwest Territories realities and make recommendations in its next annual report.

2012-2013 Work Plan

The standing committee strongly supports the Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission plans for continuing community visits and employee outreach in 2012-2013. The standing committee again urges the commission to visit as many communities as possible each year and to expand its workshop offerings to smaller communities as well as regional centres. Visits to Wekweeti, Norman Wells, Fort Good Hope, Colville Lake, Inuvik, Tsiigehtchic, Aklavik, Fort Smith and Hay River, in addition to Yellowknife, were planned for 2012-2013 fiscal year.

As planned in the fall of 2012, the commission launched its on-line social studies curriculum guide the Teacher’s Toolkit. The standing committee looks forward with interest to hear more about the reception and the use of this resource for northern teachers in future years. Members were also very pleased to hear about the commissions’ plans to research and gather anti-bullying resources for Northwest Territories teachers.

Conclusion

This is a year of transition for the Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission. The standing committee offers its thanks for the work of the past commissioners and staff for making the Northwest Territories a better place to live for all of our citizens. Members look forward to working with the present commission and staff in ensuring

human rights are respected and promoted in the Northwest Territories.

Recommendation

The Standing Committee on Government Operations recommends that the government provide a response to this report within 120 days.

That concludes the report of the Standing Committee on Government Operations on the Review of the Northwest Territories Human Rights Commission’s 2011-2012 Annual Report.

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Motion To Receive Committee Report 1-17(4) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Therefore I move, seconded by the Member for Frame Lake , that Committee Report 1-17(4) be received by the Assembly and moved into Committee of the Whole for further consideration.

---Carried

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Motion To Receive Committee Report 1-17(4) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole, Carried

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Item 5, returns to oral questions. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ramsay .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are a number of people in the gallery today that I would like to recognize. I will begin with some staff members that we have from DOT’s road licensing and safety division. We have Steve Loutitt, Megan Welch and Michael Conway. I’d also like to recognize Kelley Merilees-Keppel. I’m not sure if she was up there earlier or is behind me.

Also, I mentioned in my Minister’s statement the Students Against Drunk Driving. I’d like to recognize all the good work those students do. We have a number of them in attendance today and I’d like to recognize them. Shania Clark, Shania Tymchatyn, Alyssa Carswell, Jaida Brunett, Bronson Dolynny, Erin Pirker, Courtney King, Taylor McCarson, Kate Hall, Danielle Wendehorst, Emma Ouellette – and she was recognized earlier, hi, Emma – Tommy Jorge, Michael Cook and Mallory Beland. Once again, thank you all very much for all the work you do on combatting drinking and driving here in the Northwest Territories, and thank you very much for being with us this afternoon.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jackie Jacobson

Mr. Dolynny .

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to introduce to and through you, again, on behalf of all of the Yellowknife MLAs here – the Minister of Transportation kindly went through all the names – but I’d like to point out I have my youngest son, Bronson Dolynny, in the House today here. He

doesn’t normally come see dad work, so welcome to the House.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Ms. Bisaro

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to welcome to the House a new arts group, just a fledgling arts group. Arts Alliance NWT is here. They are a new group that is starting to get going. I don’t believe Brian Collins is here, but I’d like to recognize Brenda Crerar-Lowen, Gerda Hazenberg, Shawna Lampi-Legaree and Constantina Tsetso. Best of luck with your new organization.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize visitors in the gallery representing an array of arts groups affiliated with the NWT Arts Council. Weledeh constituent Constantina Tsetso is here representing the Yellowknife Choral Society. With her are Gerda Hazenberg with the Kole Crook Fiddle Society, Shawna Lampi-Legaree with the Yellowknife Watercolor Society, and Brenda Crerar-Lowen, as we’ve heard, president of Music NWT. These groups and others are cooperating to create a unified voice to support and broaden awareness of not only the benefits of participating in the creation of arts, but also the benefits of interacting with the arts. Please join me in welcoming them to the House.

I’d also like to join my colleagues in welcoming the Students Against Drunk Driving, especially, of course, our own Bronson and Emma. I believe they’re all from Sir John Franklin. Great to see them here.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize two hardworking people that I know from the Department of Transportation: Steve Loutitt and Michael Conway. I would also like to recognize the students doing a great job for getting a good, strong message out in the community. Thank you very much. Of course, I want to mention Bronson, Mr. Dolynny ’s boy. A good chap. Your dad is working hard, Bronson. And of course, Emma, who has also just been recognized.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. From the list I have, it looks like a couple people were missed. First off, I want to recognize the St Pat’s Students Against Drinking and Driving, so the St. Pat’s students. Although I’m not sure if Sir John has their own students, but these are the St. Pat’s students that I’m aware of. The few that were missed off the list are Ryan Lu and Savannah Lane,

as well as the staff member they have with them is Anne-Louise O’Brien, who I know works very hard with them, and we cannot forget all the hard work brought to making SADD so important, the hard work brought to us by one of the hardworking teachers, Michelle Thoms, who is a St. Pat’s teacher.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . I’d like to welcome here Ms. Erin Jelanik and Daphne Lamontagne, the office of the Auditor General, and also Ronnie Campbell and Glen Wheeler, who are not in the gallery right now, but for tabling of their report into the House today. Thank you for coming and welcome.

Also, I’d like to welcome all our visitors here in the public gallery. Thank you for taking an interest in our sitting here today. It’s always so good to see our youth in here, because you’re our future. It’s good to see you guys.

Item 7, acknowledgements. Item 8, oral questions. The Member for the Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 198-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement I talked about the Mackenzie Valley Highway. I’m looking at two sections. The first one is the Inuvik-Tuk road and, of course, the other one the Minister and I personally had experience on from Fort Good Hope to Fort Simpson.

My question is directed to the Minister of Transportation . If the project is approved by both governments, do you think that we’ll be able to get the people in the region working right away? We want to see some action.

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Question 198-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 198-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our expectation is, should the project move ahead, that work could start there potentially this season, which would mean people would be put to work almost immediately.

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Question 198-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

One of the things I’ve been thinking about is the training programs. Would there be training programs in place so that if this project, again, is approved and the project is taking off, would there be training programs for the people to take advantage of?

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Question 198-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Kind of a hypothetical question but, Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 198-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We’d be working closely with ECE on any training

initiatives associated with the construction of that highway.

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Question 198-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Has the Minister had some type of an idea as to when we would know for sure that this project is going to begin some actual groundwork in that area?

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Question 198-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

We’re awaiting approvals from the federal government and word from the federal government on funding. As soon as that happens, we certainly will be moving things along.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 198-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The winter season is coming to closure and soon it will be warm. Does the Minister have some plans in place, once the federal government has given us the permission slip to go ahead on this

section of the road, do we see any type of difficulties due to the warming of the seasons?

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Question 198-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

We’d have to act very quickly in order to see construction start this season. As Members know, we’re already into March and the season isn’t too much longer. We’ve probably got another five or six weeks in the Beaufort-Delta to actually get a lot of that work done, so we’d have to work quickly.

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Question 198-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 199-17(4): Real Estate Agents’ Licensing Act

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today as a follow-up to my Member’s statement on the legislative gaps in our dated Real Estate Agents’ Licensing Act as pertains to dual agency. Admittedly, the North is faced with unique challenges where we may have limited agents available to fully represent a given area. Therefore, a real estate agent may be forced to represent both the seller and the buyer. In reality, how can one agent place the interests of two separate and distinct parties first in the same transaction? This is tricky yet not impossible as the proper legislative roles around the simple use of representation disclaimers could still legally protect both the owner and the seller.

My questions today are for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs responsible for the Real Estate Agents’ Licensing Act. As I indicated earlier, this act provides the basic governance for real estate agents in the Northwest Territories and has not kept pace with the development of real estate practices. Can the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs indicate why we have not looked at this act since its inception in 1991?

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There were a couple of minor amendments made to the Real Estate Agents’ Licensing Act. There was a minor amendment made in 2010, and another minor amendment that came into force in April of 2011. However, the Member is correct; this is a very outdated piece of legislation and it’s one that could benefit from a full review. I will weigh this against our other legislative priorities and see where it fits into the legislative priorities of the 17th Assembly.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

I appreciate the Minister’s response. I wasn’t aware of the recent, I guess, the changes in legislation and I’ll make a note of that. Can the Minister indicate as to what work the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs has done to review the gaps of legislation that are currently in the Real Estate Agents’ Licensing Act? Has the department identified those provisions found in real estate law in other jurisdictions and looked at responding to increasing trends in real estate in the Northwest Territories?

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

We haven’t started any work yet, as I’ve said before. This is one aspect that we’d probably benefit from a full review. We look at our legislation based on the basis of risk, and we look at the potential risks and benefits of a number of persons that are affected by legislation, and we do have some pieces of legislation that we’re working on right now and we need to weigh that against looking at future legislation.

I do agree with the Member, though, it is one that would benefit from a full review. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 199-17(4): Real Estate Agents’ Licensing Act

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 200-17(4): Hay River Community Wellness Planning

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In follow-up to my Member’s statement today, my question today is for the Minister of Health and Social Services . As I mentioned, many residents of Hay River who are involved in agencies for helping people have been very busy putting together ideas and suggestions or initiatives to continue on our path of community wellness. I’d like to ask Minister Beaulieu , through you, Mr. Speaker, if he is any closer to knowing how much funding Hay River would be getting. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don’t have the breakdown by community right here just on the wellness funding, but how we funded the project is, we were looking at the federal funding for community wellness funding. In 2011-12 we carried over $500,000 from the federal funding to start this project, start to initiate the wellness plans across the communities. This fiscal year that we’re currently in, we’ve brought another $350,000 into this fiscal year to complete more wellness plans across the territory. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

So I’m hearing $850,000 in total. How many communities will be participating in applying to access that pot of money? Thank you.

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Question 200-17(4): Hay River Community Wellness Planning

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Our intention is to try to develop wellness plans for all of the communities. I think there will be wellness plans developed. Even in Yellowknife, it will be more complex, it will be working with non-government agencies. In some communities we just work with one body in the community where it’s simpler for us to do wellness plans. But the intention is for us to do wellness plans for all 33 communities. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, people in Hay River who have participated in this consultation, were canvassed for ideas for specific initiatives that could be carried out in the community. I’d just like to ask the Minister, wellness plans are one thing, initiatives within those plans is another matter. For that reason it would be really nice to know approximately when this funding is going to roll out. Is there a target date like April 1st ?

Just so the community knows, because they’ve put a lot of work into this. Thank you.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

We get annually in excess of $12 million from the federal government on wellness funding. So what we’re hoping to do with the wellness plans to stay within the confines of bad budget, and as the wellness plans are developed and hopefully we do just a bit of internal movement, and we will be funding the wellness plans as we go. But the intention is to complete the wellness plans and then fund them as they’re completed. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the community wellness plan for Hay River has already been completed. That being the case, I understand it may be ahead of some other communities, but when could Hay River expect to receive funding? Thank you.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, like I’ve indicated, I don’t have the community-by-community breakdown of that budget, but I suspect that if the wellness plans are completed that on

April 1st they would be able to start funding the

plans. Thank you.

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Question 200-17(4): Hay River Community Wellness Planning

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Question 201-17(4): Alcohol Ignition Interlock Program

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are in response to the Minister of Transportation ’s Alcohol Ignition Interlock Program. I’m just wondering when the Minister and the department expect the regulations to be in place to implement these units.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 201-17(4): Alcohol Ignition Interlock Program

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Within the next three months. Thank you.

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Mr. Speaker, has the department looked at other regions where they have implemented these units? Have we re-introduced or re-created the program? I know some of the issues that the department had in the past, they’ve basically created their own system and then we found out there were flaws because we never looked at other jurisdictions. Has the department looked into the other jurisdictions?

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, a great deal of consultation took place with other jurisdictions across the country. I mentioned in my Minister’s statement Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Newfoundland and Labrador. In other jurisdictions, they see reductions in impaired driving being reduced by 50 to 90 percent. We are very hopeful that once the program is put into place here in the Northwest Territories that we will see a reduction in impaired driving here in the NWT as well. Thank you.

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Mr. Speaker, I am wondering if the department has been in contact with some of those people that had the infractions already and maybe they’re having to work through Justice, but they informed them that this is a program that is coming forward and will be implemented within the next three to six months.

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, the program will be piloted at first in Yellowknife and in Hay River. We will start things in those two centres and move the program forward from there. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Mr. Speaker, not that it’s that important, but I’m wondering, because I think this is an important issue, but not that the cost is an important issue, but does the department have any estimates of what the rollout cost of this program would be to start?

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, I can get that detail for the Member, but for the program

itself, for somebody to enrol in the program, as I mentioned, it is $125 a month. That’s the cost for the individual. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 202-17(4): Correctional Centre Treatment Programs

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In follow-up to my Member’s statement today, and actually I just want to make a little reference to the Minister of Justice , the Minister that’s responsible for the Anti-Poverty Strategy. He mentions every one of the Ministers on Cabinet and what they’re doing to help address the Anti-Poverty Strategy. That is great because, really, we all have a part to play in this very serious issue when it comes to the high rates of our Aboriginal people in the corrections and jail systems. I do believe that this government is taking a very proactive step, and taking the right steps moving forward here over the last 16 months that we’ve been working together.

First of all, I have my first question for the Minister of Justice . When an individual becomes incarcerated and he goes to a correction facility, what types of treatment programs, mental health and addiction treatment programs, do the inmates have access to in all of our corrections that we have in the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 202-17(4): Correctional Centre Treatment Programs

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As every inmate comes into the facility, whether they are Aboriginal or not, they have their own case manager who will help develop a tailored plan to specifically meet their needs and identify what programs are appropriate based on their sentence and direction given by the courts. We do have psychologists on staff. We do have drug and alcohol programs and we have access to AA and other programs that are available that would suit the specific needs of individual inmates. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 202-17(4): Correctional Centre Treatment Programs

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you. All these very great programs that are allowed into the jail systems, we almost have better services in the jails than we do in our communities, which is very unfortunate.

With these treatment programs, are they mandatory to take these programs or are they on a voluntary basis for the inmates? Thank you

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Interesting question. It depends in some cases on the sentence that’s been passed down by the judge whether an inmate takes a specific program or not. But regardless, we have a large number of programs that are available

to individuals as they so choose. Our case managers will work with the individual inmates to identify, as I’ve indicated previously, what might be appropriate for that particular inmate. We have a significant number of programs.

I mentioned a few earlier, but within our facilities we also facilitate visits with elders and elders programming, traditional arts and crafts, pre-treatment healing programs, Dene laws, land programming, sharing in healing circles, sweat lodges, smudges, the Healing Drum Society does a number of things for us, we have alcohol counselling, Narcotics and Alcoholics Anonymous, we have reintegration programs that we deal with individuals on as they go through into probation or release into communities. So there’s a large number of things.

Some of it’s directed, some of it’s up to the inmates and we work with our case managers to direct them. Thank you.

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you. I want to ask the Minister, does he see trends in terms of high incarcerations during the season or over the year. Is there any specific time where we see a higher increase of individuals being incarcerated in our northern jails any time of the year? Thank you.

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Thank you. Anecdotally, I’ve heard that there is, and in my previous career that’s been suggested. It was usually suggested that we’d see higher incarceration numbers over the winter months, but we’re not actually finding that to be the case. We are at some of our lowest incarceration rates in our correctional facilities than we’ve been at in years. Over Christmas we were down to 121 adults where our capacity is 248. We’re less than half. Today we’re at 177 adults in our facilities with a capacity of 248. So right now we are at some of the lowest numbers we’ve seen in many, many years. So those anecdotal trends do not seem to be playing out as they have in the past. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 202-17(4): Correctional Centre Treatment Programs

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With a lot of the crimes that we see in the Northwest Territories related to alcohol and drug offenses, would the Minister be looking at possibly developing a policy for our correctional facilities, that anyone that goes in on an alcohol or drug-related offense, that they have to take mandatory alcohol and drug treatment programs during their incarceration to help them heal and to help them get the rehabilitation that they need? Would he look at creating a policy and is there any policy in any other jurisdictions in the correctional facilities? Thank you.

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Thank you. I’ll have the department look to see if there’s any mandatory programming in other jurisdictions, but at the end of the day, making a program mandatory does not mean it will be successful. As individuals are suffering with addictions and other issues, they

have to be ready for the healing journey, and if you force them to take it, you’re not going to get positive results. We make the programming available, we have really high calibre, high quality case managers who can work with the inmates when they come into the facilities to help them prepare for a healing journey and make the programming available to them. We’ve got the programming available.

In the last budget round, Members of the Legislative Assembly worked with us to put more money into programming in the Hay River facility. So we’ve got a lot of really good programming. Yes, of course, we can always try to enhance the programming and make it more effective, but I’m not convinced that making it mandatory is going to give us results if the people aren’t ready to utilize the program and if they’re not ready to take the healing journey, forcing them into a program that they’re not interested in being will not prove results. People have to take some personal responsibility. We’re there to help them.

We’re there to help them into the programming and get the healing that they need. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 203-17(4): Medical Travel Escort Policy For Seniors

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are addressed to the Minister of Health and Social Services today and I want to follow up on my statement. I asked some questions in my statement with regard to the Medical Travel Policy and I specifically noted two ministerial statements previously made in this House during oral questions, I believe. Both Ministers categorically stated that patients 65 years and over do get a medical escort when they have to travel outside of their home community. So I’d like to know from the Minister of Health and Social Services whether or not that is a policy currently and, if it is not, when did this change? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. That is not the policy and, from what I understand, it was never the policy. We have been looking at medical travel, we’ve completed a report on medical travel. We see some issues in medical travel, we’re pulling medical travel from Stanton back into the department, but from what I can see, that has never been the policy. Thank you.

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Question 203-17(4): Medical Travel Escort Policy For Seniors

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks. I think I thank the Minister for that clarification, I don’t necessarily agree with him, but I have to then ask the Minister when we have two previous Ministers of Health who have

stated that 65 years and over patients are allowed a medical escort, what weight does the Minister’s statement made in the House carry? Why did that not translate into a policy change? Thank you.

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Question 203-17(4): Medical Travel Escort Policy For Seniors

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. We confirm that two previous Health Ministers had said that anybody over 65 years old would get a medical travel escort. However, the policy does not indicate that. That was never written down. It was said in the House. It’s fairly clear in which case we allow non-medical escorts for patients, but age is not one of the factors. Thank you.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks. To the Minister, these weren’t commitments that were made to individual patients or to a specific situation. These were statements and these were confirmations of a policy change that was meant to apply across the system and it was meant to apply to the policy in general. So I’d like to know from the Minister, he says no, that that policy does not currently allow for age as a factor in escorts. Again, when a Minister makes a commitment in the House, why is it not followed through and the policy amended? Thank you.

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Question 203-17(4): Medical Travel Escort Policy For Seniors

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. The Medical Travel Policy is a Cabinet approved policy. So at the end of the day, the policy, when an individual is requesting an escort, the request comes from the physician or the nurse. So a physician of some sort, the patient’s clinician I should say, would make the call and ask for an escort and then medical travel would then apply that request against the current policy. So the reality is the program has just been generally following the policy as set out by Cabinet, essentially.

So this is why the commitments were made generally that everybody over the age of 65 years old should get medical travel. I don’t know, but I can say that if we were to follow the policy, that’s not in the policy. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 203-17(4): Medical Travel Escort Policy For Seniors

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks. So I guess what the Minister is telling us is that whatever Ministers say in the House really doesn’t carry any weight. If it contravenes a policy which is already in existence then, oh, don’t listen to the Minister, just make sure that you read the policy and the Minister must be making a mistake. So really, that means that any commitment by a Minister in this House doesn’t mean anything, and I have a serious problem with that. To the Minister of Health and Social Services , knowing what he knows now that there have been two previous commitments to this change in policy, will he incorporate this change into our Medical Travel Policy as it is reviewed?

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . I’ll remind the Members to show a little bit of respect in this House for other Members in regard to the positions they hold. Mr. Beaulieu .

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

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Question 203-17(4): Medical Travel Escort Policy For Seniors

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 204-17(4): Meeting With Federal Minister Of Aboriginal Affairs And Northern Development

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Earlier this week Mr. Premier had an opportunity to meet with the new federal Minister Bernard Valcourt. I’d just like to ask the Premier a couple of questions. Firstly, I thought it was important to continue the momentum of NWT Days, especially with the new Minister of Northern Affairs and Northern Development Canada. Can I ask the Premier what topics were discussed at his meeting?

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 204-17(4): Meeting With Federal Minister Of Aboriginal Affairs And Northern Development

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We had a very good meeting with the new Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development, the Honourable Bernard Valcourt. We talked about quite a number of items. First and foremost, we discussed devolution. We discussed mining opportunities in the Northwest Territories. We discussed oil and gas. We talked about the negotiation of self-government and land claims agreements. We talked about trans-boundary water. We talked about the Dehcho First Nations and the bilateral process that we were both working on to advance on land issues.

It was a very worthwhile meeting, and I think we’re going to have a very good working relationship with Minister Valcourt and I think he is going to be a very good

Minister who will work with us to advance the priorities of the Northwest Territories.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I’m glad that he raised those issues. I’m just wondering, I think one of the particular files in the Northwest Territories, of course, is working with the Dehcho First Nations. I wonder if the Premier had the opportunity to raise that file as well.

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

I found Minister Valcourt to be very well briefed on all of the files and he was very knowledgeable about Dehcho First Nations. We discussed some issues that the grand chief had raised and the Minister indicated that his staff would be getting on the file right away.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I’m glad that he did raise those issues. I’m just wondering if there’s any timing for the Minister paying a visit to the Northwest Territories.

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Minister Valcourt indicated that although he’d been a federal Minister in previous governments, he’s never had the opportunity to visit the Northwest Territories and that he was going to visit. At the first opportunity he’d be up here in the Northwest Territories.

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Question 204-17(4): Meeting With Federal Minister Of Aboriginal Affairs And Northern Development

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 205-17(4): Devolution Agreement Plebiscite

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to follow up on my Member’s statement earlier today with questions to the Premier on devolution. I’m wondering, first, if the Premier could explain what process of public consultation and validation we can expect following the eventual signing of the draft final agreement on devolution.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I’m delighted to hear that and thank the Premier for that. Does the Premier plan to provide an opportunity for this Assembly to debate and vote on the Devolution Agreement and, if not, why not?

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

We are all elected by the people of the Northwest Territories to do a job and

represent our constituents to the best of our ability. By all means we will bring it to this Assembly.

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Question 205-17(4): Devolution Agreement Plebiscite

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I appreciate getting the full range. I have a good series of yesses going here. How about a plebiscite? Our Elections and Plebiscites Act says that, on the recommendation of the Assembly, the Commissioner can order a plebiscite take place, but that recommendation must come from this House. Will the Premier commit to supporting a plebiscite that will allow meaningful public participation and debate, and a sense of ownership in this historic agreement before signing the final Devolution Agreement?

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Question 205-17(4): Devolution Agreement Plebiscite

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Perhaps I’ll try to describe what overkill means in the dictionary. We have been negotiating this devolution deal for over 12 years. We have been consulting with the public on a regular basis. I have offered to the Members across that we will be rolling out a communications strategy in the next few years and we will be sharing it with committee. If the committee provides us with feedback we will consider it.

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Question 205-17(4): Devolution Agreement Plebiscite

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 205-17(4): Devolution Agreement Plebiscite

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks again for the Premier ’s commitment there. I think it is very important, indeed, to make sure that our public, as the Premier mentioned, it’s been 40 years and the public has had very little participation. There have been some Aboriginal governments that have been at the table and so on, but I’m talking about the general public. They certainly have not had the participation that we want.

In a democracy, transparency is greatly appreciated. The ability to participate in a decision is greatly appreciated. I think even having this House participate would be great. Does the Premier agree that giving the public a chance to take some ownership in this historic decision by voting through a plebiscite would be a great thing for the public?

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

I’ve already indicated that the public will have unprecedented opportunities to have public engagement on this deal. I personally don’t believe in running government by referendum or by plebiscite. I would not support that.

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Question 205-17(4): Devolution Agreement Plebiscite

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre ,