Debates of April 26th, 1999

This is page numbers 321 - 355 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Towards Excellence: A Report On Education In The Nwt

Support For Aklavik Plumbing Business

Super Soccer Tournament

Member's Statement 127-13(7) Government Contracting Procedures

Rejection Of General Hunting License Application

Mr. Red Mcbryan's Eightieth Birthday Party

Dogrib Treaty 11 Settlement Boundaries

WCB Lawsuits Against Employees And Employers

Return To Oral Question 103-13(7): Closure Of Southern Outlets Of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd.

Small Business Access To Government Contracts

Report On Government Contracting Procedures

Closure Of White Rock, Bc Outlet Of Arctic Canada Trading Company

WCB Lawsuits Against Employees And Employers

Closure Of Calgary Outlet Of Arctic Canada Trading Company

Amalgamation Of Medical Travel Agent Services

School Enrollment Trends

Ministers Involvement In Decisions To Close Retail Outlets

Vacancies On NWT Development Corporation Board Of Directors

Ability Of WCB To Sue Employees And Employers

Hay River And West Channel Electoral Boundaries

Motion Of Support For Roberta Vaneltsi

Item 6: Oral Questions

Ministerial Knowledge Of Governing Legislation

Contraventions Of Governing Legislation

Ministerial Authority To Purchase Arts And Crafts

Written Question 2-13(7): Delivery Of Capital Projects

Written Question 3-13(7): Legal Actions Against Employees And Employers

Budget Reply 3-13(7)

Tabled Document 32-13(7): Towards Excellence: A Report On Education In The Nwt

Revert To Item 11: Petitions

Tabled Document 31-13(7) To Committee Of The Whole

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Social Envelope Cooperation In Developing Programs And Policies (nwthc)

Cooperation With Jurisdictions Adversely Affected By Withdrawal Of Public Housing Funding (nwthc)

Housing Funding Targeted For Aboriginal Housing (nwthc)

Aboriginal Managerial Development (justice)

Increase To The Policing Budget (justice)

Social Envelope Cooperation To Develop Common Information System Strategies (justice)

Development Of Defined Goals And Objectives/measurable Benchmarks (justice)

Study Of Viable Options On The Need For A New Courthouse (justice)

Adaptation Of Computer Systems To Assist The Maintenance Enforcement Unit (justice)

Appointment Of Special Advisor On Residential School Abuse

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Morin , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Rabesca , Honourable Floyd Roland , Honourable Vince Steen .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister's Statement 44-13(7): Towards Excellence: A Report On Education In The Nwt

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when we spend money on education, the goal is to ensure children and adults are better educated, more self-reliant, and ready to take advantage of employment opportunities. We need good information to evaluate the result of our actions. The Department of Education, Culture and Employment is increasing the amount of blue chip information available on its programs and services. This information is used for assessing program results, making programming decisions and to account to the public for activities. Given our limited resources, we need to measure the true value to northerners of the services we provide or support.

Later today, Mr. Speaker, I will be tabling Towards Excellence: A Report on Education in the NWT. This handy little document provides a profile of education from kindergarten to grade 12. The report covers a broad range of topics from school achievement indicators to educator information, from high school statistics to enrollment numbers. Information recently requested by Members of this House, such as the increase in student completion rates, can be found in the report.

While this is the second report of its kind, it is the first that provides information from a western NWT perspective. Work is currently underway on gathering the numbers of 1998-99. The department plans to update this information every two years. Mr. Speaker, reliable information is critical to good decision making and to public accountability for dollars spent. Towards Excellence provides the Department of Education, Culture and Employment with baseline information that we will use in our strategic and business planning.

Over the next few years, we will revise and refine our information needs to develop a set of indicators which will effectively capture the results of efforts by the department, DECs, DEAs, schools and culture and heritage communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 44-13(7): Towards Excellence: A Report On Education In The Nwt

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 125-13(7): Support For Aklavik Plumbing Business

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today my statement is regarding an individual, a young man, who is an entrepreneur who is trying to start up his own plumbing service in Aklavik, KLR Plumbing Services of Aklavik. This young individual has worked his way up to receiving his tickets in plumbing and gas fittings and just lately he wrote his exams to become an oil-burner mechanic, that will be recognized interprovincially. Mr. Speaker, this individual has made an attempt to establish a career path for himself and also to supply a service to the community of Aklavik. Mr.

Storr has made every attempt to establish a business in Aklavik. The last business in Aklavik that sold plumbing supplies and also the service to help people with their furnaces and their stoves and their plumbing fixtures was Mr. Dennis Pascal who has moved to Tuktoyaktuk and no longer offers that service.

Mr. Speaker, Mr. Storr, who has taken on himself to establish his business and has registered through the BIP process, is still having problems selling his business and his services to this government. Mr. Speaker, the service that is presently being provided, is provided out of Inuvik. This is an extra cost, because the individuals have to fly to Aklavik to do these services on behalf of this government on an as and when needed contract by this government, yet the individual that lives in that community cannot get work with this government. Mr.

Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be asking the Minister a question on the BIP process and why is it that individuals who live in the small communities who establish their businesses are not getting work with this government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 125-13(7): Support For Aklavik Plumbing Business

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 126-13(7): Super Soccer Tournament

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, Mr. Speaker, I would like to mention a great event that will take place over this coming weekend in the City of Yellowknife, this of course is the annual Super Soccer Tournament. As we all know this tournament has grown from a few local and regional teams to include teams from all across the two territories. This is a great event that brings many young people together for the purpose of having fun, visiting old friends and making new ones and

participating in the sport they love.

For the past many years the teams to beat have been the Rae-Edzo teams, and I would suspect that this year will be much the same. Rae-Edzo has a very active indoor soccer organization. The youth start playing at a very early age and continue into adulthood. In fact, during the month of May, a team will travel to Germany to compete in a number of tournaments and hopefully come home victorious. It takes great dedication from the coaches and players to continually provide such a good calibre of players.

The community of Rae-Edzo has very good coaches that are very dedicated. These I would like to thank. Without their support and the support of others across our territory we would not have this type of competition, and our youth would not have these types of opportunities. In closing, I encourage all the parents to make an effort to attend this weekend's tournament and show support for our children. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 126-13(7): Super Soccer Tournament

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 127-13(7) Government Contracting Procedures

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Invitations to tender, Mr. Speaker, is an easy system. It is awarded on price only and it is opened in public and everybody knows the rules. But that is not so with RFPs. One of the difficulties that may be perceived in this is when small to medium companies bid and they bid unsuccessfully on RFPs after a while they become discouraged, because they do not have the resources to go after this like the larger companies. They may drop out from submitting RFPs. The feedback to proposers is also an issue, Mr. Speaker, the companies receive no feedback and the whole RFP process is based on a criteria sheet, called a rating

schedule and it has six criteria, but the cost of the RFP, when awarding it is only 25 percent of the amount. Proposers are not given access to the rating sheets. Price by successful proposals are not revealed. This begs the question, are we turning contractors off because of our system and how do we know we are getting value for our dollars? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 127-13(7) Government Contracting Procedures

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 128-13(7): Rejection Of General Hunting License Application

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to direct my Member's statement to an issue of a constituent that has been raised to me in Hay River and I have received a copy of a letter. What I would like to do is just read some excerpts of it. I do not want to identify the person that I will be pursuing this on behalf of, but I would just like to read some excerpts of a letter because I was very moved by what I read. This is how it goes.

Because I am native, I was born native. I was raised by elders in the bush. I am a bush man. I can hunt, trap and fish. These skills among others I have been chosen to carry on and pass on to others, but I need a licence to sell fur and hunt. I choose to make my living in the bush of which there is still plenty. I have been trying to attain this licence for the past eight years now. I do not take UI or social assistance. I was taught not to impose on others. I have my own back and I make my own living.

I have learned to have a great respect for the land and for all peoples, but I also respect myself and do not allow others to use me as a floor mat. I am old enough and prepared to give it a go. I was taught never to lie or steal. If you people only help me attain my general hunting license I would not feel like such an outlaw of which I am not. I do lots of charity work with children and elders and people in town and in the bush. I have no education to brag about, but I have my Ph.D in the bush.

I make my living travelling around now doing odd jobs and playing fiddle music for people, but I am planning on trapping next winter on my own. I have a very low income and I have my income tax receipts to prove it. I am ready for a career and I want to pursue trapping. I know I have the right to live in the bush. I am a native of Cree descent. My grandparents were bush people, Treaties who made their living hunting and trapping. I am a bush man, I am free and I will fight for my rights and the rights of my native brothers whatever the cost may be.

Mr. Speaker, this letter is signed by a young man, a constituent of mine in Hay River. I have not read all of it, but I was very moved by it because this is a young person who has lived in the north for many years and has a dream and a desire to live on the land and he is right, of which there is plenty. We look at some of the difficulties that young people are running into and I think it would behoove this government to seriously consider when we can help young people pursue an ambition and an aspiration such as this without being caught up in rules and red tape. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 128-13(7): Rejection Of General Hunting License Application

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Member's Statement 129-13(7): Mr. Red Mcbryan's Eightieth Birthday Party

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Saturday evening I had an opportunity to go to Hay River and attend the 80th birthday of Mr. McBryan. Mr. McBryan came to the Northwest Territories in 1937 and they had a celebration in Hay River for him. He has been on the town council since 1962, I believe. He is one of the longest standing, sitting members in the municipal council in the Western Territory sitting on the municipal council, whether it be mayor or councillor for 30 some years, I believe. He is also very involved in flood watch in Hay River.

He is very involved in the community, volunteering for many things and I would just like to say a Happy Birthday to Mr. McBryan of Hay River and I hope for many more birthdays. I would like to thank the town of Hay River for the invite down there to help them celebrate Mr. McBryan's 80th birthday and many years of service for the community of Hay River.

We heard many, many good stories that evening in Hay River, funny ones, as well as very serious ones. I always have a lot of respect for elders no matter what culture they come from, we owe them a lot. They have done a lot for the north. Mr. McBryan has done a lot for not only Hay River, but for the Northwest Territories in general and I know that Mrs. McBryan will be watching the Legislative Assembly today and, I hope for her that my tie is acceptable and I am standing as straight as I can and, with that, the best of luck to the both of them. Mahsi. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 129-13(7): Mr. Red Mcbryan's Eightieth Birthday Party

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 130-13(7): Dogrib Treaty 11 Settlement Boundaries

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about land claims within the North Slave region. Mr. Speaker, we have been informed that the Dogrib Treaty 11 people will be signing an agreement-in-principle soon. They are to be congratulated for this. It is a lot of work. I believe it is a new type of claim that is the first of its kind, it not only includes land claims but aspects of self-government as well. Mr. Speaker, there is a problem, however, in that the Dogrib Treaty 11 settlement area boundaries includes a lot of territory of their neighbours. This includes the people from the Deh Cho and from the Akaitcho territory.

In the Yellowknives First Nations instance, their communities of Detah and Ndilo are actually within the settlement boundaries. It also extends to the south shores of Great Slave Lake. Last year the chief from Fort Resolution indicated that when they wanted to do something in the river flowing into Great Slave Lake, the renewable resources people told them they had to consult with the Dogrib Tribal Council first. This was very embarrassing. Mr.

Speaker, land claims have such things as management boards, wildlife boards, water boards, land boards and they have a great influence over the policies, laws and programs in these particular areas. That influence extends to all parts of the land and waters within the settlement area. All first nations usually celebrate when a land claim is finalized and even when an agreement-in-principle is signed. In this instance, unless a boundary is established between the Dogrib Treaty 11 people and their neighbours before their agreement-in-principle is signed, the only ones celebrating will be Dogrib Treaty 11.

Their neighbours may be preparing a law- suit. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 130-13(7): Dogrib Treaty 11 Settlement Boundaries

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 131-13(7): WCB Lawsuits Against Employees And Employers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have spoken before in this House about the fact that in the past our Workers' Compensation Board was allowed to sue the very employees that it is supposed to protect. This was an antiquated and unique provision of the act that had long been done away with in the rest of the country. It was left in our act in 1977 because there were some outstanding lawsuits that the government at that time wanted to conclude. Yet, over the next 20 years, succeeding governments did nothing. Finally, last year, the act was changed.

Not that the government actually did anything about it, but when a private Member's Bill by the Member for Yellowknife North was brought forward to do away with that part of the act, the government realized it could not object.

Mr. Speaker, this was a small change that was so obviously right, yet the government found it too difficult to do the right thing. Well, the government still has an opportunity to do the right thing. The Workers' Compensation Act was amended, but there is still an outstanding issue. The amendments that were passed had no effect on any existing lawsuits that are still outstanding. These lawsuits against employees and employers can still go ahead and are still going ahead. I gather that the WCB believes that the ongoing lawsuits should proceed to their conclusion.

Mr. Speaker, this is the same argument that Northwest Territories employers and employees heard in 1977 and they are getting tired of hearing it. In 1977 the rationale was that the government just wanted to allow the existing lawsuits at that time to be completed. These kinds of lawsuits were wrong in 1977 and they should have been stopped then. They were wrong when all jurisdictions in the country stopped doing them. They were wrong last year when the government realized that it could not object to the amendments to the Workers' Compensation Act. They are wrong now and they should be stopped.

Mr. Speaker, the Minister, I am sure, recognizes that there is an opportunity for the board to get money from these lawsuits. But this money comes from the backs of employees and employers and fundamentally violates the principles of workers' compensation. How can an organization set up to protect the rights of employees and employers turn around and sue them? Either we have a workers' compensation system or we do not. The board cannot have it both ways.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 131-13(7): WCB Lawsuits Against Employees And Employers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? Mr. Henry , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 131-13(7): WCB Lawsuits Against Employees And Employers

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you colleagues.

Mr. Speaker, let us face it, these lawsuits should never have been allowed to start because the act should have been changed 20 years ago. For the Workers' Compensation Board to continue to spend effort and money pursuing the employees they protect in these lawsuits is asinine. The Legislative Assembly has made a clear decision last year that these lawsuits should not happen in the future and the government agreed.

I am calling upon the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board to act now in accordance with the principles of workers' compensation that are accepted throughout Canada and now in the Northwest Territories, to withdraw all outstanding lawsuits against workers and employers covered by the act. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Return To Oral Question 103-13(7): Closure Of Southern Outlets Of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd.

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is in response to a question asked by Mr. Morin on April 22, 1999, with regard to closure of southern outlets of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. The official name of the company is Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. It is 100 percent wholly owned by the Northwest Territories Development Corporation. The general manager is Clyde Sigurdson who reports to the president of the Northwest Territories Development Corporation.

At one time Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. had five retail outlets in southern Canada. They owned and operated retail outlets in Victoria, B.C.; Calgary, Alberta; White Rock, B.C.; and two in Toronto - one at the Pearson Airport and one at Queens Quay in downtown Toronto. In December, 1998, the management of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. decided to close the retail outlet in Victoria effective March 31, 1999. Official notice to cancel the lease arrangement was given to the landlord at that time. A closing sale was held in January and February, and the balance of the unsold inventory was shipped back to the Yellowknife warehouse in March, 1999.

On January 31, 1999, the management of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. decided to close the retail outlet in Calgary and cancel the lease arrangements effective April 30, 1999. Currently, we have a contract with IMI Marketing to manage the wholesale and corporate sales until April 30, 1999. The unsold inventory will be shipped to Yellowknife once the operation closes. On March 26, 1999, Mr. Joseph Handley, the acting president of the Northwest Territories Development Corporation, and Mr.

Clyde Sigurdson, the general manager of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd., made a decision to close the retail outlet in White Rock, B.C. An arrangement has been made with a private individual to take over this store and sell our northern products on a consignment basis. All remaining inventory has been consigned to the new owner/manager.

Effective April 1, 1999, the two retail outlets in Toronto are owned by the Nunavut Development Corporation. Arrangements are being negotiated for this transfer. Nunavut Development Corporation has agreed to retail western products through these outlets on a consignment basis. In the interim, Arctic Canada Trading Ltd. is still managing and operating these two retail outlets. Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. is still a subsidiary of the Northwest Territories Development Corporation, however, with a reduced operation. Their mandate is to coordinate, develop, and promote and market Northwest Territories art, souvenirs, garments, crafts, fashion accessories and food products. Thank you.

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Return To Oral Question 103-13(7): Closure Of Southern Outlets Of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd.

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 117-13(7): Small Business Access To Government Contracts

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister responsible for the Business Incentive Policy. Mr. Speaker, in regard to my Member's statement, I made reference to an entrepreneur in Aklavik, KLR Plumbing Services of Aklavik, which is owned and operated by Richard Storr. Mr. Speaker, this individual has gone out, received his journeyman ticket for plumbing and gas fitting and he has made an attempt to establish a business in Aklavik to supply plumbing and heating supplies and also a business to serve the people of Aklavik. Mr.

Speaker, my question to the Minister is why is it that this individual is having such a tough time getting contracts with this government yet, he should have an advantage through the Business Incentive Policy. I would like to ask the Minister in regard to the Business Incentive Policy, what does it take for an individual like Mr. Storr to be recognized through the Business Incentive Policy?

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Question 117-13(7): Small Business Access To Government Contracts

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development ,

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Question 117-13(7): Small Business Access To Government Contracts

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one of the requirements to benefit from the Business Incentive Policy is to register your business with the government so that you would be recognized as a company which should benefit from the Business Incentive Policy. That is probably the first step. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Storr has been registered since the fall of 1996. That is over three years ago. I would like to ask the Minister, if this individual is registered, why is it that he is getting such a tough time to get a job in this government, especially to serve government in Aklavik regarding goods and services?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have no information about this individual and his business and I am not certain that it is proper to discuss it so openly, but I would be prepared to sit down with the Member and look at the information that the Member may have and see what could be done to address whatever difficulties this person is having with regard to getting contracts or employment or conducting business with this government. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is probably not the only individual who is having this problem. I believe there have been a lot of questions asked about the Business Incentive Policy in this government. Could the Minister ensure that there is a review done to see about the number of complaints that are received in regard to this policy? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be prepared to ask the department to brief me on how many complaints there have been regarding the Business Incentive Policy and its application with the government to see if there are some areas that need to be addressed or, whether we are in fact, applying it as consistently and as fairly as we should be. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think the problem lies within the smaller communities. In regard to Mr. Storr, I would like the Minister to see why is it that Mr. Storr, who is based in Aklavik, is having such a hard time getting jobs with this government, yet businesses in the regional centres such as Inuvik seem to be getting all the work in a lot of these smaller communities, yet the local entrepreneur is not able to receive any work from this government. Can the Minister check into that allegation also? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We will have a look at the situation of this individual. Thank you.

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Question 118-13(7): Report On Government Contracting Procedures

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier I spoke about the committee that has been assembled by FMBS of senior managers to look at the negotiated contract system the government uses and my question will be, I believe, for the Premier , but it may have to be the Minister of FMBS. The question I have is, we were told that the committee would present its findings and report on March 31st; I wonder if the committee has done so?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is work being done on it. The report is not ready yet. It has been delayed, but it is expected fairly soon, maybe within a week or so. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had asked if we could also include the request for proposal system that we use. Could the Premier tell us if that may have been considered or will be included?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the request for proposal asked by the honourable Member previously would be part of the process. It will not be in this report but it will be part of the next report on which we are also working on. It is a three part process and we have the first part just about ready. Since the work was already in progress when he asked the last time, we are putting it in as a second part of this process. Thank you.

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Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Premier tell me what will happen to the report that the senior managers are preparing, what will be the process of that report and what action will be taken?

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Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the report is for the government on this side, the Cabinet. We will receive the report, we will look at it and we will decide what

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Question 119-13(7): Closure Of White Rock, Bc Outlet Of Arctic Canada Trading Company

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I heard with some interest the Minister's response, return to oral question on the closure of southern outlets of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. The Minister stated in his response, Mr. Speaker, on the second page:

On March 26, 1999, Mr. Joseph Handley, the acting President of the Northwest Territories Development Corporation, and Mr. Clyde Sigurdson, the general manager of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. made a decision to close the retail outlet in White Rock, B.C. An arrangement has been made with a private individual to take over this store and sell our northern products on a consignment basis. All remaining inventory has been consigned to the new owner/manager.

Can the Minister please inform this House who the new owner/manager is? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I would have to take the question as notice. I am not familiar with the day-to-day detailed operations of the subsidiaries. Thank you.

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Question 120-13(7): WCB Lawsuits Against Employees And Employers

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement today I spoke about the fact that although the Workers' Compensation Act was amended last year, ongoing lawsuits against employers and employees are still proceeding, even though that act has been changed and the circumstance could not happen in the future. My question to the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Miltenberger , is will the Minister confirm that although the Workers' Compensation Act was amended, there are still ongoing lawsuits in which the Workers' Compensation Board is suing employers and employees covered by the act? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I can confirm that.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you for that very concise answer. My second question, Mr. Speaker, is how long have these lawsuits been going on for? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My information is back to 1994, I believe, is when the initial counsel was retained.

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Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister tell me how long they anticipate these lawsuits going on for? He has told me they started in 1994. Is there an indication of when these lawsuits will be dealt with? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I cannot give the Member a definitive answer. I do know that examination for discoveries continue as we speak. I would suggest some time, but I cannot give the Member a definitive answer. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the Minister aware that the concept of the Workers' Compensation Board suing employers and employees covered by the Workers' Compensation Act violates the fundamental principles of the Workers' Compensation throughout Canada? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am aware that it is an issue with the Member for Yellowknife South and I am listening closely to his concerns. I am doing another briefing with the President of WCB tomorrow on a

number of issues arising out of changes to legislation and a result of legislation. This is on the agenda as well. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . It is in relation to his reply earlier today to the Member for Tu Nedhe and his oral question from April 22nd. The Minister has indicated that:

On January 31, 1999, the management of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. decided to close the retail outlet in Calgary and cancel the lease arrangements effective April 30, 1999. Currently, we have a contract with IMI Marketing to manage the wholesale and corporate sales until April 30, 1999. The unsold inventory will be shipped to Yellowknife once the operation closes.

Could the Minister indicate who this IMI Marketing actually is?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, as with the previous question, I am not privy to the details of who IMI is, but I would be happy to find out for the Member. So I will take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Question 122-13(7): Amalgamation Of Medical Travel Agent Services

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, recently a request for proposals appeared in the newspaper and it was for travel agency services. It would appear that travel agency services are now provided out of Stanton Regional Hospital for the former Mackenzie region including Yellowknife and Hay River. Mr. Speaker, I have written to the Minister and I have registered my concern about this. In the past, the way the system was worked out, we have two travel agents in Hay River, two travel agencies, and we also have a medical travel position.

In the past what would happen is the doctor would make a referral, the patient would get their medical travel authorization from that person, take it down to the local travel agent, get their tickets and get an itinerary, and so on.

Now this is all being done out of Yellowknife, so I have a number of concerns about this. For one thing, it takes much needed business away from the travel agents in Hay River, also for people like senior citizens it is very inconvenient. They are not provided with an itinerary and they do not have the contact with the local travel agent as a convenience associated with this service, so my question is to the Minister. I would like to know what the purpose is behind amalgamating these travel agency services in Yellowknife? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was informed by the department that indeed, there was a grouping, an amalgamation in a sense, of the travel agency services. The reason this was done is we are trying to conserve our resources and use them a little more wisely in the area of some of the programs we deliver. Medical travel is one of the larger cost drivers that affect this department, and trying to pool our resources and deliver the services out of one area is a decision the health boards were involved with.

I believe there is still an individual in the community that would work with those who are seeking medical travel. It would work through this individual who would contact Yellowknife office. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, could the Minister please provide the House with some kind of an estimate of cost savings that would be realized by paying this fee to a Yellowknife travel agency verses a Hay River travel agency? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will get back to my department to get more information on this. As I stated earlier, I just received information on this, I do not believe I have seen the letter from the Member she mentioned she sent to me, but once I receive that I will also forward that on to the department to get further responses for the Member. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If indeed the provision of these services out of Stanton Hospital is a cost saving to the government, besides wanting to know how much it is saving, I also want to know a comparison of the service provided, from this regional service as opposed to what they would get if they were being served by a travel agency in Hay River. I do not think it is fair to compare price alone because I

do believe they were getting services as well, like I said, the convenience of picking up their ticket as opposed to a virtual ticket, and also a hard copy of an itinerary, so they could refer to it and refresh their memory of what time they have to be certain places. Could the Minister confirm that there was actually a reduction in service to the travelling patient with this new method of delivering the service?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not believe the intent of the changes is to reduce the quality of service to the clients. I will look into, as I stated earlier, the impacts of the changes and the possible savings that we would see and also request that information to see what services are provided to see what level they are at or if there are any changes to the services that are provided at this time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the Minister knows, Hay River is a much smaller community than Yellowknife and we endeavour to support two travel agencies within the community. If the Minister finds out there is no substantial cost savings to it being delivered through Stanton Regional, would he consider reinstating the service being provided on a local level by businesses in Hay River? This business forms a core part of the business that they have in Hay River. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will look at, as I stated earlier, the factors involved in making this decision to see what was done. We will look at what possible avenues are out there once I have more information. I am not sure what level of savings there is hopefully to be achieved in this, but as I stated earlier I will get that information and upon reviewing it will look at what avenues are open to us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Education . It is concerning the problems we seem to have in our schools, large enrolment numbers, shortages of teachers and also the problem we have in our communities which is having enough supplies of books and whatnot for the higher grades. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister, do they have a breakdown at this time of what the increases are in regard to enrolment in our classes?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the anticipated enrolments across the territory are estimated for the coming year to be less than 1 percent. I do not have the specific breakdown by region available, but I can get that information for the Member.

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David Krutko

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I really have a concern, especially in regard to the education that is presently being provided by this government in a lot of the smaller communities. Mr. Speaker, the concern I have is that there was supposed to be increases in my riding for teachers in Aklavik and I believe Fort McPherson. Yet those numbers were as of October, I believe, 1998, and which would not be implemented until the following year. Can the Minister assure me those positions will be implemented this fall?

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Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will commit to get that information for the Member and report back, hopefully by tomorrow. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister tell me how seriously is his department taking this problem in our classrooms, especially with the shortages of teachers and now we are finding an increase in enrolment. Exactly how serious is this problem and what is the department doing to clear it up?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are not anticipating a shortage of teachers per se based on our pupil/teacher ratio, but we are very concerned about the state of education as I have indicated in this House over the last week or so in regard to trying to respond to the Minister's forum's recommendations. We have a strategic planning process in place to put forward a document by June that will lay out the longer-term plans. I am meeting with the board chairs of the DEAs and the DECs here next month to discuss this issue. The ministerial forum members, as well, have been brought back into the loop to see how we can move ahead on the short-term recommendations, so we are very

concerned. We are listening very closely to the feedback we are getting, and we are doing everything in our power within existing budgets to try and address the needs that have been identified. Thank you.

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David Krutko

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the education forum and the recommendations that were made, they also identified the increase in our classrooms as a major problem. The statement from the education forum, concerns from the different ridings and from this House, can the Minister ensure there will be more money considered to ensure we do have the teachers in our classrooms next fall and not have these shortages that we have had in the past?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member is well aware, we are currently in the budget process. The money in the budget for education is approximately $168 million with $2 million being proposed by way of motion when our department comes up to add to that. That is the money I can commit to at this point, unfortunately I cannot commit to any further sums. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Oral question to Mr. Kakfwi , Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . Mr. Minister, on your return to my oral question, you leave the impression in your return that Mr. Handley and Mr. Sigurdson, the general manager of the Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd., made these decisions in isolation of yourself, so my question is, did you have any involvement at all in briefing or in consultation with your deputy minister, Mr.

Handley, the acting president of the Northwest Territories Development Corporation, in any of these decisions on the closure or the giving away of stores to the Arctic Canada Trading Ltd.'s southern outlets? Did you have any involvement at all? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There were a number of decisions that were made going back to the time when Mr. Soloy was still president of the Development Corporation. It would not be possible for me to say categorically that I was not involved in any discussions. I may have been informed by Mr. Soloy, I may have been informed by Mr. Handley that they intended, as acting managers or as the principle executives in charge of these operations, to carry out these actions.

Unless I know what the Member means by being involved it is not possible to say categorically, but I will check with my staff to see if, in fact, we were informed, if there were any meetings that we had where these decisions were brought to my attention, and if I actually had anything to say about them. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It may not have the glitter and everything else that goes along with diamonds, but the NWT Development Corporation is an very important development corporation for our small communities, Mr. Speaker, and I advise the Minister that he should attempt to pay a little bit of attention to it. Also, just to go back, Mr. Speaker, on whether he wanted to pay any attention or if he was willing to or not, I do not know, but the Northwest Territories Development Corporation has

an act that ultimately the Minister is responsible for. Under the act, Mr. Speaker, the board should develop guidelines for the sale of subsidies or a portion of the shares it owns as a subsidy and the shares or any other interest the Corporation owns in a business enterprise. The guidelines are subject to approval of the Financial Management Board.

This is a fairly straightforward question, I am sure he can kick his memory into gear because he would have to sign a Financial Management Board paper off, and he would have to pay attention because it is not that detailed of an issue. Did he take the change of the Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. to the Financial Management Board as required under the act, as required under the act that gives him the right, as a Minister, to ultimately be responsible to the NWT Development Corporation. Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is true that as a Minister I am responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, and also the NWT Development Corporation. I have always taken these responsibilities very seriously, but it is not possible to micro-manage the operation of the department at every level. As a Minister, I have a deputy minister and the president of the Development Corporation, that are in charge and responsible and well paid to manage the day-to-day operations and the staff in the departments and the Development Corporation.

That is the way the government works and the Member, as a former Minister and Premier knows that better than anybody else. The details that he wants are not available to me. I will take the question as notice and again, I will be prepared to give him a full written response. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Can I ask all the Ministers in responding to the Members' questions, if they are going to take it as notice then the Minister does have an option of taking it as notice, answering or declining to answer it, but not a mixture of

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . Perhaps if he is going to take it on notice he should do so before he rambles on for five minutes. Mr. Speaker...

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I have already reminded the Ministers about how they answer their questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister alone, I understand, is responsible for appointing board members to the NWT Development Corporation. The Minister had taken questions as notice as to when was the last time that there were seven board members on that board. What I would like to know today, Mr. Speaker, is within the last 18 months, did any staff member whether from RWED or from the Development Corporation inform the Minister that perhaps he should add more board members and that information could have been supplied either in letter form or orally. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Again, to remind the Members regarding questions that have been asked before and answered that they cannot ask the same questions again. I believe this question was asked on Friday and it was responded to by the Minister. Mr. Kakfwi , do you wish to respond?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the difficulties that we have had is in planning for the appointment of new boards as the Members know, one of the board members has been recently appointed as the new Commissioner of the Northwest Territories, Mr. Dan Marion. Another board member recently left, we had a change in the president of the development corporation as well. It is my information that the auditor general and our staff understand a quorum to be not of a particular number, but a quorum would be defined as being a majority of the members appointed, according to the act, at the time a meeting may be called.

Although we have not had seven members appointed to the board since something like 1996, we have had duly constituted quorums for board meetings since that time. I think we have consistently had five members on the board and we have been able to legally meet the definition of what a quorum is to conduct our business since that time. Of course, the idea of filling vacancies and seats on boards is an ongoing discussion and responsibility of staff so, of course, it has come up a number of times over the years and it will continue to do so. We hope to appoint additional members to the board sometime this week.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So, even though the act says it is supposed to be a minimum of seven board members, the Minister has indicated there has not been a minimum of seven board members for at least three years. He also indicated that he was reminded several times that he should appoint more board members. He also indicated the auditor general seemed to be in agreement that it was okay to not add more board members. Could I ask the Minister if the auditor general at any time indicated since this date of 1996 that he has mentioned, if the auditor general's office indicated that more board members should be appointed?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not certain what the auditor general may have said about the number of board members appointed and I would be interested in finding that out and sharing that with the Member. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister had indicated that since approximately 1996 there have been only five board members on the Development Corporation. Could the minister indicate since that time, since the last time there was a minimum of seven board members, how many times has he sent out a letter to the MLAs asking them for suggestions for board members? Thank you.

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I would consult with everyone that is involved with discussions of that issue and ask them to go back to their notes and again share that with the Member. If he is interested in knowing the details of it we shall provide it to him. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for his cooperation. Would he provide that information in this House, or through letter form? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, if we are able to put the information together that the Member seeks and asked for this week while the House is sitting he shall receive it then, otherwise it would be after session and he can get it by letter or

whatever form that he would like, but it will be in written form. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 126-13(7): Ability Of WCB To Sue Employees And Employers

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Miltenberger . I am following up on my Member's statement today and questions I asked earlier in the House. Simple question, Mr. Speaker, to the Minister responsible for the Board, as the Workers' Compensation Act of the NWT presently stands today can the Workers' Compensation Board sue employees or employers? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Miltenberger . I believe the question was asked and answered already.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure whether the question was the same, but in this particular case, the Member is asking a very specific question with legal implications both to this legislation and recent changes to legislation so, in order to give a correct answer, I reluctantly will take the question as notice and I will give the Member a very clear response. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 127-13(7): Hay River And West Channel Electoral Boundaries

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Premier . Mr. Speaker, I received a petition from the West Point First Nation. This is a group of families within the town of Hay River and they live in the west channel on land set aside for Indian use under the Indian Act. The chief and band currently participate in leadership meetings with the Deh Cho. However, geographically and logistically the West Point First Nation is a part of Hay River and a part of my present riding. Mr. Speaker, my question is, what is the process and indeed is it possible that the electoral boundaries can be modified in such a way as to move a

section or a pocket of people, electors, out of one riding and transplant into another? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Premier , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Legislative Assembly here, this House, has the ultimate authority in deciding where the electoral boundaries and what the arrangements for the electoral boundaries are.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What is the process or how would we initiate support for this? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ideally, the Electoral Boundaries Commission would take the request and make recommendations to us here. We have gone through a process such as that in the last few months. We are still going through a process as a result of that in this Legislative Assembly. Bill 15 , which amends the executive council Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act which would have gone to second reading, and it has gone to the Standing Committee on Government Operations that Ordinary Members sit on. I think this would be the appropriate place at this point in time and the debate to raise this issue.

I would assume that. I think based on that, if that is thrown into the debate that is going on, it should be considered at that time. Once a decision is made through the standing committee, it will come back to this House, and then we would debate it during the House. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is all the questions I have on that. Thank you.

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