Debates of Oct. 22nd, 1997

This is page numbers 23 - 84 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Closure Of Hay River Abattoir

Premier's Visit To Tuktoyaktuk

Congratulates To Rcmp Graduate Rufus Manik

Recognition Of Inga Alainga

Arctic Bay Sport Hunting Trip

Appreciation To Colleagues

Passing Of Melanie Beaulieu

Community Empowerment For Clyde River

The Need For A Child Advocate

Issues From The Yellowknife Mlas Constituency Meeting

Fort Simpson Municipal Election Results

De Beers Building Project For Luanda

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Appointment Of Baffin Health Board Chair

Resources For Abused Children

Response From First Air

Timing Of Keewatin Resupply

Keewatin Resupply Savings

Keewatin Resupply Pipelines

Keewatin Resupply Project

Need For Child Advocacy Group

Aurora Fund Eligibility

Plan For Hay River Abattoir

Post Division Contract Commitments

Tabled Document 2-13(5): Letter From Kivalliq Inuit Association Regarding Keewatin Region Health Care Services

Tabled Document 3-13(5): Letter From The Hamlet Of Arviat Regarding The Proposed Fuel Resupply Pipeline

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 11-13(5): Closure Of Hay River Abattoir

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 23

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do have a Member's statement today and I would like to proceed with it since this is a short sitting and there are a number of issues. My constituents will want to be hearing me representing their interests in the House.

Mr. Speaker, in the early 1980s some residents of Hay River began to pursue their vision of an abattoir in Hay River. In 1996, after years of planning, the facility was completed at a cost of $2.1 million. Funding through an economic development agreement saw a 70/30 percent split between the federal and territorial governments respectively. The plant...

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Member's Statement 11-13(5): Closure Of Hay River Abattoir

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mrs. Groenewegen , could you slow down a bit. We have translators and the Members cannot keep up.

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Member's Statement 11-13(5): Closure Of Hay River Abattoir

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will try and slow down. I was trying to hurry so we can get into the more meatier matters on the agenda today.

The plant could process any four-legged animal, wild or domestic.

In 1994, a five-year agreement was signed by a representative of the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism. Within the agreement was a clause that the Government of the Northwest Territories would cover all operation and maintenance losses for the first five years of the project. The abattoir went into production in early 1996. Just over one year later, the Government of the Northwest Territories exercised another clause within the five-year agreement and gave notice. Within 18 months of its opening the abattoir facility in Hay River was closed in July of this year.

Mr. Speaker, the residents of Hay River sought clarification of this action by the government. What they see is that they had an agreement with their government to develop a meat processing plant within their community. Millions of dollars were spent to develop and run the facility for just over a year. It takes time for an operation to become self-reliant; the government gave them less than 18 months. The members of the board of directors and the employees for the abattoir had dedicated a full year to the plan ironing out the start-up problems and were prepared to continue to work hard.

The community does not feel they were given enough time. Less than two years into the program, with financial viability on the horizon, the Northwest Territories Development Corporation decided to withdraw. In an effort to keep the abattoir operating, the Hay River Metis Development Corporation and the Territorial Farmers' Association formed a corporation for the management of the plant.

The closure of this plant is a loss to Hay River and the region, not only for all the time and money that have already been expended, but for the future development of resources. Ten people lost their jobs. There is an agriculture base in the town with no facility for the stock to be slaughtered and processed.

At this point, I would like to commend the stakeholders in the abattoir for their labour, expertise and input they placed into the venture. I am optimistic the abattoir will not be dormant for long and an alternative plan of action will be arrived at. My hope is that the former board of directors of the Hay River abattoir will continue to be involved, that the government will respect the input of the community stakeholders and take into consideration their views on any future use of this facility. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 11-13(5): Closure Of Hay River Abattoir

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Member's Statement 12-13(5): Premier's Visit To Tuktoyaktuk

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank Premier Morin for accompanying me over the weekend to Tuktoyaktuk as we attempted to proceed on to Sachs Harbour. Unfortunately, we were unable to reach Sachs Harbour due to weather conditions in Sachs Harbour.

Although the original intent was to proceed to Sachs Harbour and meet with the local people who are involved in the muskox harvesting project, we did have opportunity to meet with the hamlet council of Tuktoyaktuk while over-nighting in Tuktoyaktuk.

Many issues were discussed such as the extension to Mangilaluk School and the Inuvik/Tuktoyaktuk highway and I am sure the Tuktoyaktuk hamlet council is grateful for the opportunity to make their concerns known directly to the Premier . The council is looking forward to followup actions on the part of the Government of the Northwest Territories to some of the issues and concerns expressed at this meeting, and I am sure the Premier is aware of this.

Although we did not get to view the muskox harvesting program first hand, the trip did serve to bring the whole project to the attention of the Premier as I am sure he was well briefed on the project by honourable Minister Kakfwi 's staff. I hope the Premier will continue to support the muskox harvesting project in any way he can in his capacity as Premier .

With that, Mr. Speaker, I wish to once again express my appreciation to the Premier on behalf of the people of Tuktoyaktuk and Sachs Harbour, and I hope we will return for another visit in the near future. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Steen . Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Member's Statement 13-13(5): Congratulates To Rcmp Graduate Rufus Manik

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate Mr. Rufus Manik from my own community of Arviat. Rufus just completed his diploma, graduated from the RCMP academy in Regina and is now a community constable. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 14-13(5): Recognition Of Inga Alainga

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to speak about a remarkable individual from Iqaluit. Mrs. Inga Alainga was born in 1932 on Nottingham Island. Inga's parents were Mary Eeleeteeka Nakoolak and Peter William Mackenzie who was working for the Hudson's Bay Company in Port Burwell.

Mrs. Alainga and her family moved from Nottingham Island to Port Burwell and then to Resolution Island. Later, Mrs. Alainga married well known, respected Inuk leader, Simonie Alainga. Simonie and Inga went on to have 13 children and were well known for their devotion to helping others. Mrs. Alainga, after moving to Iqaluit, opened her home to many of the people from Baffin communities who had to travel to Iqaluit for hospital. Even today, with a boarding home for hospital patients, Mrs. Alainga continues to open her home for those patients.

The tragic boating accident in October, 1994, that took her loving husband and close relatives was very difficult for Inga and all of her family. But Mrs. Alainga has remained strong and is still involved with helping others. She is well known for her cooking and still carries on the traditional art of sewing traditional clothes. She likes to make quilts and has a good sense of humour.

Mr. Speaker, after forcible relocations of raising a family, of the boat tragedy, Mrs. Inga Alainga has remained a strong and dedicated community leader, and I know that you and this House will join with me in thanking her for her generosity and humanity. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 15-13(5): Arctic Bay Sport Hunting Trip

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Members often stand in this Assembly to make complaints about the shortcomings of government departments. Today, I rise to give thanks for assistance given at a critical time in my home community.

In late August, a very difficult situation arose in Arctic Bay. Niglasuk, a company owned by the Hunters and Trappers Organization in Arctic Bay, had planned a new venture. With the assistance of Canada North Outfitting, they had booked 13 American sport hunters to hunt caribou using sport hunting tags. The HTO was very pleased with this opportunity to earn income from sports hunting and had gone to the trouble of building a camp at Admiralty Inlet especially for these hunters.

However, when the first two hunters arrived in Arctic Bay, it turned out that through an oversight the necessary paperwork had not been concluded to allow the hunt to proceed. Since I understood that a commercial caribou quota had been set aside for the High Arctic, I turned to the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development and Mr. Ben Kovic, chair of the Nunavut Wildlife Management Board, to see if the situation could be corrected in time to allow the planned hunts to proceed.

I wish to thank Mr. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Ben Kovic and their officials for the extraordinary efforts they undertook to correct the situation and allow the hunt to go ahead. I was very pleased to learn that provisions of the Inuit Land Claim Agreement do permit flexibility in situations such as the one which arose, and I was also pleased to learn that the Wildlife Management Board and the GNWT department could have such a good, co-operative working relationship. I know that they had to do a lot of work in a short period of time.

If the sport hunters had to be turned away, it would have been a great setback for the renewable resources economy in Arctic Bay. For a community with high unemployment, the impact of these hunts is very significant. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 16-13(5): Appreciation To Colleagues

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Maybe all the Members have their receivers on now. I just wanted to give my thanks to my fellow colleagues, Members and especially to Mr. Speaker. I will try and make my statement short. I do not have anything written with me, I apologize for it.

I wanted to thank all my fellow Members for wishing me good luck while I was in the hospital in Montreal. I appreciated their sincere wishes for my recovery. I also would like to thank my constituents in my region. They supported me fully while I was in the hospital. I really, truly appreciate their good wishes they sent me while I was in the hospital. I also wish to thank the Premier , for he was able to accompany me in visiting my constituency.

I could not make it to my other communities, and I apologize for not being able to make it there because sometimes some things unforeseeable happen. In my case I could not make it to these two communities, due to the fact that I had to go down to Montreal for hospitalization. I just wanted to express my regrets to my constituents, and I also appreciate the Members for having supported me. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 17-13(5): Passing Of Melanie Beaulieu

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, Mr. Speaker, I have a heavy heart. This morning Mrs. Melanie Beaulieu, one of my home communities respected elders, passed away at the age of 76. Melanie was a hard working and caring mother. While she was young, she would help with fishing, trapping, always making sure the family was well taken care of. Melanie, in later years, has been suffering from illness and finally, this illness has taken her from us.

I would like to wish Melanie's family and friends my condolences; we will surely miss her. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 18-13(5): Community Empowerment For Clyde River

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Everyone knows that one must learn to walk before they learn to run. However, before the first step can be taken, a child must have developed the necessary strength and muscles. Community empowerment is like taking our first steps. Before we can take on the responsibility for community empowerment, we must first strengthen our structures within our communities.

A child cannot walk without bones in his legs or muscles. A community cannot take steps towards community empowerment until it has a workable development plan and facilities. Clyde River is behind on what other communities are already enjoying. They do not have workable development plans, so they do not have muscles. There is a shortage of public housing and a lack of recreational and community facilities so that the community also lacks structural bones. If they do not have a plan and the necessary facilities, it would be futile for the community to take the steps towards community empowerment.

The town of Clyde River realizes that they are not ready to move towards community empowerment. They have decided to stop discussions for community empowerment because of seven issues. These are issues that the community thinks must be addressed before this discussion can continue. These issues are: Municipal Legislation Review; Funding Formula Review; Government and Community Interest; Nunavut Government's Position on Community Empowerment; A Community Plan for Development; Government of the Northwest Territories Deficit Recovery Plan. I hope that the Government of the Northwest Territories will support Clyde River in their decision.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 19-13(5): The Need For A Child Advocate

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the Fourth Session of the current Assembly, I made a Member's statement in the House about the need for an advocate for children. The statement was followed up by oral questions.

My statement and questions have resulted in letters and conversations expressing a desire for me to further pursue this important matter. Education addresses the rights of children. It teaches them that they have a right to say no. This is only a preventative measure. What we need is an avenue for children when their rights have been ignored.

Many elders talk about the horrors that they experienced as youth. As children, they could not express their feelings; they could not express their shames. The effect of child abuse scars a victim for a life time. The failure to protect children from abuse is the greatest shame that falls upon society. It is only as adults, many victims of child abuse can access services that addresses their mistreatment. Often this is too late and the cycle of abuse has been repeated.

The stigma attached to being abused is one of shame and worthlessness that can lead to despair, self loathing, low self esteem and suicide. In the Northwest Territories 644 cases of physical abuse of children have been reported since 1992; 887 cases of sexual abuse of children have been reported during that same period. Mr. Speaker, the figure for both sexual abuse and physical abuse is staggering, 1,531 reported cases of abuse reported in the last five years. Since 1994, 40 young people have taken their lives. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Mackenzie Delta seeks unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do I have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Krutko , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 19-13(5): The Need For A Child Advocate

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since 1994, 40 young people have taken their lives. We do not know how many of them were victims of abuse.

Mr. Speaker, these are only the reported cases. We have captured just the tip of the iceberg. We do not know the actual number of children that are being physically and sexually abused. Children are innocent, but can be made to feel that they are the cause of their own abuse. This makes them reluctant to seek help from figures of authority and family members.

It is now time for the Government of the Northwest Territories to take this responsibility seriously. We are the only representatives of the people and that also includes children. Now is the time to listen to our youth; we must have an advocate for children. We must have an independent office that serves the youth of the Northwest Territories. Our children must have an agency that they can go to where they do not have to feel guilt, shame and worry that their abuse will become community knowledge. Our children are our future; we must face this future.

Mr. Speaker, I could not bear it if years from now I was approached by a victim and asked, "Why, when you were a Member of the Legislative Assembly, did you not help me?" As leaders, I ask you, the Members of the Legislative Assembly, years from now, when you are approached by a victim of child abuse and asked this question, "Why, when you were a Member of the Legislative Assembly, did you not help me?" What will you answer?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 20-13(5): Issues From The Yellowknife Mlas Constituency Meeting

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last week, three of the Yellowknife MLAs held a constituency meeting, and I wanted to elaborate briefly on some of the concerns that were brought up there.

One of the first things that was discussed was the traditional healing program that is funded by the federal government. It was felt that the program should be expanded and that more people should have access to that program. The privatization of government services took a beating. We know that privatization was initially aimed at reducing government expenditures, but the general feeling at the meeting was that the public expected that the cost for the services should also go down for them, if it is going down for the government. But unfortunately this does not seem to be the case. The examples that were brought up indicated that the costs for the public actually went up as well.

The Diamond Sorting Facility was brought up. It was generally felt that it is politically unacceptable that there should not be a diamond sorting facility in the Northwest Territories in a community.

Student Financial Assistance, it was felt that there should be a way to make financial assistance free from income tax to the students, because once they get back home many of them find themselves with a huge bill just at the end of the year when they actually need money, and they have to make a payment to the federal government.

Affirmative Action, a lot of people felt that things were going backwards with affirmative action and particularly that the loss of personnel has contributed to this.

There was also considerable discussion concerning the conflict of interest clause that senior Government of the Northwest Territories employees have within their contracts. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do I have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Erasmus , you have unanimous consent to conclude your statement.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I stated, the conflict of interest clause that is within many senior government officials contracts which indicated that they are not supposed to work within the same field of interest that they had been working in for a year, or something like that, there was a lot of discussion about it, and it was generally felt that there should be no "not withstanding clause" to allow people to escape from their commitments that they had made in their contract when they began their employment with the territorial government.

The feeling was that anybody who works for the territorial government and benefits from the training, education, experience and knowledge that they gain within their area, they should not be able to use that for their betterment immediately after they leave our employment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Member's Statement 21-13(5): Fort Simpson Municipal Election Results

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday in the north there was an election for mayor and council for the tax-based municipalities. First of all, I would like to commend all the individuals that had put their names forward to be considered for community public service. I would like to congratulate the successful candidates for the mayors and for members of all the different councils at their election. The next three years will be a crucial time during their term at the community level. There will be many challenges facing them as we get into division and community empowerment and self-government arrangements that we are dealing with.

The village of Fort Simpson, which I represent here as an MLA, had an election. I would like to congratulate the successful village council members. Norm Prevost has been re-elected as the mayor for Fort Simpson, along with council of: Carl Lafferty, Gordon Villeneuve, Marilyn Napier, Tom Wilson, Bob Hanna, Lindsay Waugh, Ron McCagg and Owen Rowe. These are the members that have been elected in Fort Simpson. I would like to congratulate them at this time. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 22-13(5): De Beers Building Project For Luanda

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to read a news release that I received from George Burns who is a director of De Beers in London.

Endiama and De Beers are pleased to announce the formal signing of an agreement to develop a 12-storey building in Angola on land leased from Endiama which adjoins Endiama's existing offices in the central business district of Luanda. The building will be owned by De Beers and will house a purpose built and secure diamond sorting facility where Angolan diamond production will be sorted and valued. Endiama, the Angolan national diamond company, will be the owner of three floors in the new building.

This building will incorporate the latest technology required for the efficient and secure handling of rough diamonds. The building will house facilities for training Angolans in the key skills of sorting and valuing rough diamonds. De Beers has built similar facilities in Botswana, Namibia and South Africa, and brings considerable experience to this type of development.

The building will cost approximately $30 million US to develop and equip. Locally based building contractors will be employed, and it is expected that hundreds of jobs will be created during the construction. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Pat Thomas, Northwest Territories Teachers Association, for past negotiations.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Question 14-13(5): Appointment Of Baffin Health Board Chair

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 27

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it has been a couple of weeks since the resignation of the chair of the Baffin Regional Health Board. I would like to ask some questions about the board and hospital. Can the Minister advise this House as to the process to appoint a new chair? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 27

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 27

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recognizing the importance of the chair of the Baffin Regional Health and Social Services Board, I actively had some discussions with some of the Baffin representatives of this House. I asked the Deputy Premier, Mr. Arlooktoo , to speak to Achimo Kamukaku, the acting chair of the Baffin Regional Board to see whether he would be interested first of all or if he had any other suggestions about possible candidates that could act as chair.

There was a suggestion by the Baffin and Iqaluit Chambers of Commerce where they proposed a few names for consideration and issued a press release in that respect. I had a preliminary look at it and had some discussions, as I indicated with the Baffin members, to seek out whether or not the possibility of Mr. Dennis Patterson, former member of this House, former Health Minister , former Premier , was interested in taking on that responsibility. I called Mr. Patterson myself personally and asked him. He did express an interest. Mr. Arlooktoo spoke again with the acting chair, Mr.

Kamukaku, who undertook some consultation with his Health and Social Services Board colleagues. I spoke to Mr. Lazarus Ariak, president of the Baffin Regional Inuit Association and got his input, the possibility of having Mr. Patterson appointed as well and as it stands now, there is no opposition to having Mr. Patterson's name put forward as the chair for the Baffin Health Board. Right now we are in the process of preparing some documentation to that effect, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the board is without Iqaluit representation. I understand two names have gone forward to the Minister. I wonder if the Minister could update on the appointment of those two Iqaluit nominees?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would anticipate we are aware of the nominees and again they are in the process of having the formal appointment documentation prepared. I would think we will do it in as timely a fashion as possible. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 15-13(5): Resources For Abused Children

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 27

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services . It is in regard to my Member's statement about the child advocacy group. My question to the Minister is in the case of many small communities in the Northwest Territories, everyone knows each other. That makes it awfully difficult for victims, especially of child abuse, who are basically ashamed, feel responsible of their abuse and feel it is partly their fault. Mr. Speaker, let us suppose that a child was sexually abused last night, and today he wants to go to complain. Can the Minister tell us where does this child go to get help?

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are various avenues in the community an individual could go to all of the front line staff area. Whether it is a law enforcement official, municipal enforcement official, a teacher, a social worker, community awareness worker, alcohol and drug worker. There are different avenues and different structures within each community to report incidents of potential abuse of any kind and of course, avenues to take the appropriate action based on those complaints, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is exactly the problem that we see in a lot of small communities is that the

victim of child abuse seeks local services and trying to remain anonymous can be a problem, especially in small communities where before the child gets the opportunity to take legal action or find someone to assist him, everyone in the community knows about it. I think that is the reason that there has to be a mechanism in place, where the child knows where he is going with this information and it will be kept confidential. The individual should know that when they file a complaint, something will be done about it.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko , do you have a question? Supplementary?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, in regard to my question when you say local services and want to remain anonymous, where can you go without the agencies that the Minister mentioned, are not the supposed agency where you know, whatever you say will be confidential and you will be able to deal with it? My question was, is there such an individual group or agency where that individuals can go?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All professionals have oaths of confidentiality depending on profession and guidelines, codes of conduct that they adhere to. I think it is important to say that no matter who that individual approached, ultimately it will be referred to whomever is responsible for the child's welfare issues in that community that has a legislative authority to apprehend, if necessary, on a temporary basis or on a longer term basis depending on the circumstances and provide for the immediate protection of that individual. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Minister could be more precise in regard to which individual group do these children have the opportunity to go to. That is the point of an advocacy group is to ensure that there is an individual department responsible for child concerns and issues that affect children, so that they know there is an agency out there that takes care of them without having to run between every department and agency, with concerns such as these. I would like to ask the Minister, is there one specific group that is in the community where an individual with a complaint of sexual abuse can go to?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am trying to explain to the honourable Member that ultimately there is a child welfare worker that will have the decision on whether or not to apprehend. There are different avenues that an individual can report, but ultimately, whoever the individual reports to has to go back to the child care worker who has the legal statutory authority for apprehension, whether it is on a temporary or permanent basis to deal with the issue of protection of that individual. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the response, I mean, the child is the innocent victim here. I do not think the child should be the one that is taken away and locked up in another home because of something that happened to him that was not his responsibility. I think that is exactly the reason we have an agency that oversees child advocacy in the north, so that they know their rights are being protected, and they have an opportunity to raise their concerns. I would like to ask the Minister, if these issues are important enough, will the Minister take into account that he seriously looks at the possibility of establishing a child advocacy group in the Northwest Territories?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I indicated in the past answers to this question, with the new family law legislation particularly the Child/Family Services Act, we think there are enough safeguards and mechanisms in there. First and foremost, the principle of the whole bill is for the protection of children. Individuals who do not know how to be able to protect themselves and where we have a legislative authority to intervene in those types of situations in their best interests and that will continue to be the case, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 16-13(5): Response From First Air

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 28

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Transportation . I have written a letter to the president of First Air as well as the chairman of the board. The Minister has also written to the same people I have mentioned on my behalf to support me. I have not received an answer yet to my letter. My question is whether they should be able to fly to Hall Beach, Pond Inlet and Arctic Bay? I have seen the letter that the Minister has given us his support, and I was very pleased with this, but I have not been given an answer to my question.

Has the Minister himself been given an answer from First Air about the letter I am referring to? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have not received any reply from my letter as well. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 17-13(5): Timing Of Keewatin Resupply

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 29

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are in followup to the questions asked yesterday of the Minister of Public Works and Services . Mr. Speaker, yesterday Mr. Arlooktoo referred to the cooperative effort amongst MLAs and Ministers that resulted in the motions adopted by the Keewatin Resupply Committee. Mr. Speaker, I am having some difficulty reconciling the statement of the Minister with the direction that was ultimately taken by the committee.

I refer to the committee's comment that and I quote, "Insufficient information is available to make any decisions on investments and transportation and fuel distribution infrastructure". Could the Minister please provide me with some reconciliation between the committee's direction and his reference to announcing that Public Works and Services will be issuing requests for proposals in November for the private sector construction of fuel delivery pipelines. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Obviously a great deal of more information has been received over the last few weeks since the report was issued. I still stand by the statement that we are very close to following the directions of the steering committee to the letter. The steering committee recommended that changes do not take effect until 1999 or 1998, I believe. That is when the contracts for the current fuel delivery is over. In order to have those changes take effect a year and a half from now, we need to be making the appropriate planning and actions now. That is how they correlate.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister also referred to the community consultation in his statement which he indicated is under way at this time. I have received at least some evidence of concern by the affected communities. The Minister did indicate he would be travelling to Arviat next week but if this consultation has not yet been undertaken and concluded, my question is why is the request for proposal going out in November? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There were a number of meetings in the region with the steering committee, I had my staff from the Petroleum Products Division from Rankin Inlet and here, have discussions with the affected communities. The ongoing consultation I spoke of has to do with concern by some of the communities on the location of the pipelines.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Also, when I questioned the Minister yesterday about the prospect of a delay in this initiative, he responded and I quote from the unedited Hansard, "there is no guarantee that after one year the future decision-makers would decide to go this way". If the Minister is saying that a one year delay would result in the project not going ahead, how confident, can he be, Mr. Speaker, of the results of this communities consultation and further work that needs to be done?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have received information from the hamlet of Arviat of their concerns about the location. I spoke, yesterday, to Mr. Flynn, the senior administrative officer in that community. I also spoke with the mayor, my long time friend, Peter Kay, who was in Whale Cove at meetings, and we agreed there was enough items on the table that would warrant meetings and discussion. I will be meeting with him on Monday in Igloolik where he will be attending the NTI Meeting. On Wednesday, I will meet the hamlet council and the deputy mayor.

Most of the concerns from that community, as I understand it, have to do with the location of the pipelines and also the service or perceived lowering of service in the dry cargo area. I believe strongly we will be able to reassure the community that we will do all we can and will ensure there are no environmental damages. We will also ensure they receive good and adequate dry cargo services as all other northern communities do. That is the reason why I am fully confident that the consultations going on now will be completed.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question was more in relation to why the Minister speculated if there was a one year delay, the project would not go ahead. However, my final supplementary question is, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Arlooktoo indicated yesterday that extensive consultation was undertaken with the private sector specifically, the president of NTCL. Could the Minister please share with the House, the results of that consultation and how that came to bear on the direction decided by the Department of Public Works and Services? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First on the one year delay what I indicated yesterday and I think it is clear now. A one year delay may not be a good idea because in a year the Legislative Assembly here, all the decision-makers in Nunavut and all the decision makers in the west will be right in the middle of trying to deal with all the complicated issues of division. I believe there will be very little room at the time to deal with other important issues such as this. There is enough evidence now that this is a good move. It is a money making move to the tune of $100 million over 20 years. We need to act on it now.

On the issue of consultation. The president of NTCL, Mr. Clement was contacted on several occasions. There was correspondence between the department and NTCL but understandably, I believe that NTCL being forced into a competitive process rather than being the carrier of choice or being guaranteed a contract each year is not so comfortable with the idea. We have tried to reassure them that the process will be fair, it will be open and if you look at it logically, the company has as good a chance or a better chance than any other.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Public Works and Services . Mr. Speaker, the conventional kind of method for delivering fuel in the Keewatin region provides jobs for people of that area and provides business opportunity for the company owned by people of Nunavut area. Mr. Speaker, the Minister has indicated this initiative provides a saving to the government and to the people of that area. Of course, we know that the construction of the pipeline is going to cost money. My question is, how long will it take, Mr.

Speaker, for the people of that area and the government to see realized savings of the construction of a pipeline in the Keewatin area? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe once the project goes into effect, the savings realized will be immediate and they will be significant. All indications and conservative estimates we have now, say the transportation cost of fuel will be about one quarter of what they are now. The savings realized will be significant and will be more once the pipelines are paid for in five years time.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we just have recovered from the deficit elimination. I would caution the government, myself, the amount of money we spend, the expenditure. Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question to the Minister is, how many jobs will be realized from the construction of the pipeline and at this point in time, how many jobs are required to manage the conventional method of delivering fuel to the Keewatin area? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not have an accurate number of jobs that will be realized from these four infrastructure projects that are worth several millions of dollars in total in the four communities. I certainly can share that information with the Member once we complete the requests for proposals and the proposals, but these are incremental projects and jobs to what is planned. I just wanted to comment on the conventional methods of delivering fuel. Right now the conventional method in Keewatin is by tug and barge.

As technologies get better and as we move forward we realize now that it is cheaper and more efficient to go through the offshore tanker route very much in the same way that we deliver goods before we used the bombardiers and the biplanes, et cetera. We have moved on and I see that in a similar light. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same honourable Minister. Obviously we have not done any research in the area. Mr. Speaker, will the Minister delay the project until such time that full research is done by the government?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The answer is no. As I said before the government, the department and myself feel that we have more than enough information and evidence that there will be significant savings to the Government of the Northwest Territories, the government of Nunavut and the people of the Keewatin especially. This project has to and will go ahead. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to Mr. Arlooktoo , Minister of Public Works and Services . Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister what is the estimated completion date of the fuel delivery pipelines in the Keewatin?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe it is before the sealift delivery season in 1999.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the Minister stated in his statement on the 16th of October, the government will lease back the pipeline for a five-year period at which point it will be owned outright by the Nunavut government. Mr. Speaker, sealift date of 1999 is five months after Nunavut date. Why would this government continue to pay?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the government responsible for the entire Northwest Territories, it is important to remember we are still dealing with the whole of the Northwest Territories. This is one area we have been working on for a long time, the improvement of sealift, the improvement of the fuel delivery in the entire eastern Arctic. We recently completed the signing of a large contract with NTCL for the eastern Arctic for last year and this is part of the ongoing improvements we are making to how we deliver fuel in the eastern Arctic.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister has indicated he had been in touch with all concerned parties who are involved in this particular project. I was wondering, Mr. Speaker, was one of the concerned parties the Interim Commissioner of Nunavut, Mr. Anawak? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not have the information in front of me of what consultation has taken place with the Interim Commissioner, but this is certainly one of the issues because it is a contract that goes beyond division that it will ultimately have involvement of the Interim Commissioner.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, does the Minister agree then that the Interim Commissioner should definitely be involved in the approval of this project, since Nunavut is going to be responsible for paying for it after April 1999?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Certainly we will be communicating with the Interim Commissioner our plans to seek his support. What we have to remember is, what this project means is a savings of $65 to $100 million for the people of the region and of the Nunavut government over the next 20 years. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is also to the Minister responsible for Public Works and Services in reference to the fuel resupply issue. I heard the Minister state that the answer was no, and he would not give consideration to delaying this project. Mr. Speaker, that seems to be the corner stone of this government over the last number of months, which is the lack of consultation, and the lack of listening to people. My question to the Minister is, is the Minister aware that the Keewatin Chamber of Commerce, this is not just an Arviat issue, includes all of the communities in the Keewatin?

Is the Minister aware that the Keewatin Chamber of Commerce, the mayors of Arviat, Baker Lake, Cambridge Bay, Tuktoyaktuk have stated very clearly they are concerned about this project and that it should be delayed until all the details and information are provided? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have received copies of the correspondence by some of the individuals whom the Member mentioned. Yes, I have seen the correspondence. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, the issue of the resupply has been talked about for quite some time now. The report the committee which I chaired, indicated that they did state we could work toward direct resupply, providing certain conditions were addressed and met. Mr. Speaker, I am convinced these conditions have not been met. I would once again ask the Minister if he could assure the people of the Keewatin there is no risk to the environment or to sea life if this project were to move forward? Thank you.

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Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe it is important to keep pointing out that we are speaking of more than significant savings to the region, businesses, government and to the citizens of Nunavut and ultimately to the Canadian tax payer of $100 million over 20 years. That to me as Minister of this government and one who has great interest in the future government of Nunavut, is something that is very important which grabs me immediately. As far as I am

concerned the other issues are details that can be worked out and that we are working on them.

There are a couple of issues that have been brought up on the environmental side. One is on the issue of Char River site that the Member spoke of yesterday. I want to reassure the residents of Arviat, there is no way as Minister of Public Works and Services , as an outdoor person and a fisherman myself, that I would do anything to risk or to destroy Char River. So that is something that I am going to be talking about to the community, the issue of other possible environmental damage. The only thing that we can do is to minimize the risks.

The way that the fuel will be delivered to the Keewatin region is the same way that fuel is delivered to the rest of the eastern Arctic. Fuel is delivered by sea now through the barges. This is just a different way. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not disputing the fact that there are probably savings in reference to this project. The issue is the environmental concerns, and the people are asking that the project be delayed until these concerns are addressed thoroughly. I do not think that is much to ask for. We are 16 or 17 months away from division. There are a number of community groups in the Keewatin that are concerned about this project. Once again, I ask the Minister if he will consider delaying this project until all the facts are brought forward. That is all they are asking for.

It is not really a major concession. I am concerned why the Minister is so bent on slamming and jamming and ramming this thing through when the proper consultation has not taken place yet. It is very basic what the people are asking for. I think there is enough community leaders and groups that have expressed their concern. We are not saying it is a bad idea, but what they are asking is for proper consultation. My question to the Minister is the hydrographic surveys that were completed, how much detail has been provided at this point?

Have they been fully analyzed so that we can verify whether or not it is safe to bring these vessels into or close to the communities, and when will he share this information with us? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

You have used up all your supplementary, Mr. O'Brien . I heard three questions.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I certainly do not view $100 million as a minor concession. To me, it is a major driver of the work we are going ahead with and that is to improve the way we deliver fuel and to save this very large bundle of money for the people of Nunavut, especially the people of the region, the government and as I said, ultimately the Canadian taxpayer who provides us with more than 80 percent of our government dollars that we spend.

I would have to say that the information I get from my officials is that they were an adequate number of meetings held of the steering committee which the Member chaired of which I understand, the Member also missed several meetings that were very critical and important. As I said, the project should go ahead, but there are some details on issues we need to work around, such as environmental and infrastructure issues. We will do that.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. O'Brien . Your point of order.

Point of Order

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, I take exception to the Minister's comments that I, as chair of the committee missed several meetings that is utter nonsense. That is false. That is a false statement. I ask for him to retract it. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Member for Kivallivik is responding to a response the Minister made. I have not heard which point of order has been broken here. Perhaps, the Member could clarify?

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My point of order is that a false statement has been made by the Minister in reference to my attendance at meetings, in which I attended all meetings of this committee, which I chaired. I feel he should retract that statement. It is unprofessional. Thank you.

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Again, I would remind the Members my job or duty as Speaker is to conduct the House according to the rules of this House. I do not know whether or not Mr. O'Brien missed two meetings as Chairman of a committee, and I do not know whether or not the Minister is correct in saying that. I do not know that, but I did not hear under which rule the point of order is raised. That is my question. If we have a point of order that has been violated, I would like to hear it. If not, can we continue with this question, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding, when a statement is made in this House, a false statement, and one misrepresents the House, that it is not acceptable. That, Mr. Speaker, is my point of order. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. O'Brien , if we are looking at the rules of debate, we have

Section 23(i), which imputes false or hidden motives to a Member.

I would like to ask if it is under that point that he is making this point of order? Also, again just under the parliamentary rules and forms by Beauchesne's, it also says that it has been formally ruled by Speakers that statements by Members respecting themselves and particularly within their own knowledge must be accepted.

I must accept Mr. O'Brien 's statement. If that is so, then are we looking at a point of order under

section 21(i)? I must accept the Member's statement by his saying he did not miss any meetings. But I still did not hear Mr. O'Brien raise on that point of order that Mr. Arlooktoo has, on this point of order imputes false of hidden motives to another Member. I must hear it from the Member. Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Todd , for your encouragement. I know, Mr. Todd , you are always trying to help somebody. I certainly will not be asking it from you, Ms. Thompson . Mr. Speaker, according to

Section 23(i), that is the point in which I have raised my point of order. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . I will review the Hansard and give my ruling at a later date. Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier in regard to my Member's statement in regard to a child advocacy group. In my statement I referred to certain statistics in regard to the Northwest Territories where 644 cases of physical abuse of children have been reported since 1992; 887 cases of sexual abuse of children have been reported during the same period.

Mr. Speaker, the figures of both sexual and physical abuse is staggering at 1,533 reported cases in a five-year period. Also, since 1994, there has been 40 young people whom have taken their lives. It goes on in regard to what we hear in the news regarding child pornography. The court case in the north of what happened in institutions where a lot of young people went to school, especially in hostels in relation to Grollier Hall and other institutions, who are finally coming forward.

Mr. Speaker, my question to the Premier is, with these staggering statistics, do you think it is a critical matter that we deal with the whole question of finding an advocacy group to ensure that a child advocate will work to ensure the legal protection of children and to promote their welfare in society? Mr. Speaker, my question is, are these staggering statistics telling us that we should do something in regard to the protection of these children? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will have my Minister responsible for Health and Social Services answer that question. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I agree these statistics warrant concern. It is safe to say we do have the legal authority now, and that is to implement measures as a result of any kind of activity which may jeopardize children or put them at risk because of elements outside of their control. We do have the legislative authority and we do use that authority in child apprehension situations which require it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was hoping the leader of this House will be able to assist me on this matter without shuttling to the Minister, who I have been asking questions on this matter time and time again, who has not really done anything about.

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Samuel Gargan

I would like to remind the Members, if it is not within the knowledge of the Premier , then he will refer those matters to the Ministers responsible for that department. That is why the Premier did refer the question to the appropriate Minister. I would like to remind Members not to raise the issue of whether or not the Premier should be responding to those questions. Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the statistics I mentioned, in regard to the Department of Health and Social Services. Is there an agency to protect children in place, at the present time?

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, under the Child Welfare Act, right now and under the future Child and Family Services Act, which will be put in place next year, the Department of Health and Social Services, has the legal child welfare protection issues on statutory obligations in place. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister tell me exactly how many person-years we have presently in this particular area of child protection or child welfare in his department that presently exists to assist children in regard to concerns that they have?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not have that detail of information with me right now. I will find out exactly how many child welfare protection workers there are throughout the Northwest Territories under the employ of ourselves or the Health and Social Services board and advise the Member. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister also tell me exactly how many people do we have in regard to researching? Assisting clients in regard to cases of sexual abuse? Any cases in regard to child pornography? And cases in physical abuse of children, in regard to apprehending people and taking them to court? How many people do we have in that portfolio?

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Mr. Minister, I heard about five questions.

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