Debates of Feb. 18th, 2009

This is page numbers 2315 - 2370 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was housing .

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Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement On 24-16(3): Making Difficult Decisions On Consensus Government

Minister’s Statement 25-16(3): Board Reform Initiative

Minister’s Statement 26-16(3): Board Reform

Minister’s Statement 27-16(3): Board Reform – Housing

Board Reform Initiative

Options Available For Board Reform

Minister’s Statement On Model For Board Reform Initiative

Effects Of Board Reform Initiative On Small Communities

Effects Of Board Reform Initiative On Aboriginal Governments

Reaction Of Board Reform Initiative In The Sahtu

Effects Of Board Reform On Nahendeh Communities

Reaction To Board Reform Initiative In Nunakput

Lack Of Consultation On Board Reform Initiative

Lack Of Analysis On Board Reform Initiative

Model For Board Reform Initiative

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Board Reform Initiative

Models Considered For Board Reform

Lack Of Support For Board Reform Proposal

Role Of Elected Members In Board Reform Initiative

Board Reform Consultation Process

Role Of Minister In Board Reform Discussion

Cost Savings Associated With Board Reform Initiative

Board Reform Initiative

Consultation Process With Aboriginal Governments On Board Reform

Analysis To Support Proposed Model For Board Reform

Proposed Model For Board Reform

Benefits Of Board Reform Initiative

Consultation Process For Proposed Board Reform

Consultation Process For Proposed Board Reform

Tabled Document 15-16(3): Northwest Territories Public Utilities Board 2008 Annual Report

Board Reform Direction

Board Reform Direction Carried

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:36 p.m.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Minister’s Statement On 24-16(3): Making Difficult Decisions On Consensus Government

Ministers’ Statements

Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when the 16th Legislative Assembly

first met to decide on our priorities for this government, we produced a plan we called “Northerners Working Together.” It’s a title that reflects the realities of our consensus system and an ideal we all need to be trying to achieve on a day-to-day basis. More than that, the people of the NWT expect it of us. They expect us to be working together to set the direction and establish the plans that will best meet their current needs and lay the foundation for a better future. Sometimes it’s relatively easy to live up to that expectation, but when we are facing more difficult decisions it can be harder for us to find a way to work together effectively.

Mr. Speaker, we have some difficult decisions to make as a Legislative Assembly. There are no obvious or easy solutions to things like reforming the way we deliver programs and services or helping people with the high cost of living.

When we took office, we understood that we needed to make some changes for the long-term good of the people of the NWT. That’s what “Northerners Working Together” was about. We knew we needed forward-looking initiatives that will support the creation of thriving, sustainable communities and the development of healthy and educated people over the long term. We also knew

we had to take steps to ensure we could continue to afford the kinds of programs and services that we most need, now and in the future.

Fundamental change of that sort will have an impact on people and that may make us uncomfortable. We have to and will make sure that we do whatever we can to soften that impact. But as leaders, we can’t shrink from the difficult decisions in this House if we are going to be able to deliver on a better future for our residents.

I will be one of the first to agree with those who would say this government could be more effective in explaining and building consensus around our actions and initiatives. We clearly need to spend more time creating dialogue around our initiatives. We have already made some changes in this regard and will be investing more effort in explaining what we are planning and in listening to the views and concerns of Members, stakeholders and the public.

At the same time, I would hope that our discussions, here and with the public, will be positive and productive. We want input on the ideas and plans we have proposed and we will listen carefully to all your views, positive and negative. We need constructive criticism and are confident that it can help improve the work we do. But criticism that seeks primarily to preserve the status quo for its own sake should be taken as just that. We need to have the courage to change the things that need to be changed, even if they have served us well in the past.

We also need to be sure we are all participating in all the same discussion. As a government, we bring forward proposals at a variety of stages. Some proposals are fully worked out, some are more preliminary and conceptual. Our purpose in coming out with preliminary proposals is to generate feedback and debate on the “big picture” goals and objectives we are trying to achieve. We know that how we implement our ideas is important. But at the same time, when we are seeking input on preliminary ideas, we don’t want to get so consumed with debate on implementation that we lose sight of our overall goals.

Mr. Speaker, this government has put forward a number of proposals that have generated some strong public reaction and feedback. I expect we’ll hear a lot about one of them -- board reform -- today. We respect those views and are taking them into account. At the same time, we continue to believe that our plans are faithful to the goals of this Assembly. I hope that Members, stakeholders and the public will join with us in the spirit of working together to help us develop strong, workable plans for change that will make a positive difference for our residents today and for the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Before we go on, colleagues, I’d like to draw your attention to the gallery to the presence of Ms. Lena Pedersen, Member of the 7th Council and the first

elected lady to office. Welcome to the Assembly.

---Applause

The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister’s Statement 25-16(3): Board Reform Initiative

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take the opportunity today to follow up on the statement made on February 16th by the

Honourable Michael Miltenberger , the lead Minister on the Board Reform Initiative.

There is a great deal of interest in this initiative and people are expressing concerns over the government’s plans for board reform. As the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , I am hearing the concerns that people have about what this means for the education system in the Northwest Territories, including the schools and the people who work in the schools. I want to assure Members that we recognize all the good work that has been done over many years to help improve the education system in the Northwest Territories.

We have more and more students graduating every year from our high schools and this is even more the case in our communities and among our aboriginal students. We have many dedicated educators and administrators, as well as many committed members on various boards who are working hard to ensure we have the best education system possible for our students.

Board reform will respect all the good things that have been done in education and will build on that success. This initiative focuses on governance structures through which we will work to find systemic and long-lasting ways of increasing collaboration and cooperation to meet the needs of students in a cost-effective and efficient manner.

Above all, we want to continue making progress in the education system. In order to make progress, we must be prepared to make change where it will help us make the progress we all desire.

Mr. Speaker, we have 33 divisional education councils that govern 49 schools in the Northwest Territories. Education authorities outside Yellowknife are organized under four divisional education councils and one community services agency. The commission scolaire francophone des territories du Nord Ouest is responsible for French first language schools in Yellowknife and Hay River, while schools in Yellowknife are governed by two district education authorities. In exploring new models of governance for education, we expect that schools will continue to operate much like they do today.

Principals and teachers will continue to fulfil the responsibilities of delivering education programs to students. There will continue to be a need for senior administrators with education expertise to support the schools and to provide oversight responsibilities for ensuring quality program delivery. As Minister of Education, Culture and Employment I will continue to hold responsibilities for the education system in the Northwest Territories.

Board reform will not affect the education rights of anyone in the Northwest Territories. It is hoped that this Initiative will result in more efficient and effective governance of schools in the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, as Minister Miltenberger mentioned in his statement on board reform earlier this week, the government has started its consultation process on this initiative. We are still in the early stages. Some discussions have taken place, including discussions Minister Miltenberger and I had with chairs of the education authorities in early December. I recently met with the chairs of both Yellowknife education authorities and I committed to having further discussions with them. I am prepared to have these discussions with the boards of each of the education authorities.

As well, senior officials in the department have had discussions with senior officials from the education authorities. Further discussions must take place and will take place.

We welcome input from people, not only to express their concerns but also to offer suggestions on how we can continue to make improvements in our overall governance structures. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker

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Minister’s Statement 25-16(3): Board Reform Initiative

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Minister’s Statement 26-16(3): Board Reform

Ministers’ Statements

Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak to the issue of board reform from the health and social services perspective. As Minister of Health and Social Services I have heard concerns on what this board reform means to the NWT health and social services system. As my Cabinet colleagues have mentioned and I have stated all along, nothing is set in stone and we are looking for feedback on how to proceed.

In health and social services, we are always looking to improve service delivery for our clients while at the same time making sure our system is financially sustainable. The Board Reform Initiative is attempting to streamline those services and potentially reduce administrative costs.

Coordinating services such as school counsellors, child youth workers and social workers will help better serve the needs of our clients. Integrated regional service boards will allow for better case management and help clients receive services in a one-stop approach.

Along with the Tlicho Community Services Agency, there are seven other health and social services authorities in the Northwest Territories. Two Authorities, Stanton Territorial Health Authority and Hay River Health and Social Services Authority, are managed by a public administrator, the other six have a board of trustees. Chairs of these boards sit on a committee called the Joint Leadership Council, which I chair as the Minister. All Members of this council find this to be an effective forum for identifying issues common to all boards, and provide strategic system-wide direction, which shows us how we can work together to manage a complex system.

I have called two meetings with the Joint Leadership Council on the issue of board reform and listened to some of their initial thoughts. Some good ideas were exchanged and suggestions on ideas we need to consider were offered. We have put these into our deliberations. I have also travelled to communities and regions at their invitations to have a dialogue and seek their input into this process. I have committed to meeting with the Joint Leadership Council throughout the consultation process.

Similarly the deputy minister of Health and Social Services meets regularly with the Joint Senior Management Council, which includes CEOs from each authority. These initial information exchanges have and will continue to help build the foundation for future board reform consultation.

Mr. Speaker, to be clear, we are not looking at reducing the level of care we offer to residents of

the Northwest Territories. In fact it is the opposite, our goal is to create a more effective and efficient system that ensures sustainability and to better meet the needs of NWT residents by integrating services and creating efficiencies where reasonable. This supports goals of the 16th Legislative Assembly, of “an effective and efficient government and sustainable, vibrant and safe communities”.

I would encourage everyone to read the supporting documents and partake in the consultation efforts with good will and open minds. Feedback from everyone will enable us to reach our goal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. Michael McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 27-16(3): Board Reform – Housing

Ministers’ Statements

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak to the issue of board reform, specifically how it will impact on the delivery of housing programs and services at the community, regional and territorial level.

As Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation, my priority is to ensure that every community in our Territory receives support to improve its housing conditions. For nearly 35 years, local housing organizations have been the primary source of community input on housing matters and have been critical partners of the Housing Corporation in the delivery of programs and services. As other Members of this Assembly have noted, LHOs have done a commendable job throughout their history, and the commitment and service of board members and employees of these organizations need to be recognized.

As Minister Miltenberger indicated in an earlier statement, board reform is not about suggesting that the boards aren’t working hard to deliver programs and services. It is about reviewing how we serve clients who access multiple services from the GNWT. Public housing clients are often the same residents who access income support, education and career development services, and no matter what the final outcome of this review may be, the GNWT needs to better develop its case management approach to ensure that those residents who require support from multiple service areas are served in the most efficient manner possible.

It should also be pointed out that the delivery of housing at the community level is also being considered as part of our review of infrastructure

services. As Members are aware, the Housing Corporation and the departments of Public Works and Services and Transportation are currently reviewing how infrastructure will be delivered in our communities. These efforts are intended to find areas where collaboration and better coordination can improve how we plan for, acquire and maintain roads, schools, hospitals and housing in our communities.

These are important linkages between the infrastructure review and board reform. Together, both processes will consider best practices for how we deliver housing at the community level, and decisions made within one review must give consideration to what is being discussed through the other.

Mr. Speaker, these reform initiatives are at the information gathering stage, and consultations with stakeholders are ongoing. I am pleased to inform this House that I will be meeting with the chairs and managers of all LHOs in March to gather their feelings on board governance and service delivery options. I am looking forward to a good discussion with these individuals.

Ultimately, Mr. Speaker, structural change of this magnitude deserves a full and open dialogue with all stakeholders prior to proceeding. Together with my Cabinet colleagues, I am committed to do just that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Board Reform Initiative

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in every meeting we, as leaders, stop to say a prayer for guidance in the work that we do on behalf of our constituents. The prayer that we pray at the opening of every session day asks that we have constant recognition for the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Today, Mr. Speaker, I would like to elaborate on that prayer in relation to the pressing issue before us. We are taught to pray by beginning and entering with our thanksgiving and then making our requests known.

Today I thank God for our country, for the hard-fought freedoms, the freedoms of expression, the freedoms of religion, the freedoms to demonstrate, all of these freedoms entrenched in our Canadian Constitution.

Today, I thank God for this marvellous Territory that we all call home, for the richness of the people, for the diversity of our cultures and for the remarkable resources of our land.

I thank God for the heritage of our First Nations who were the original people of our Territory, for their perseverance through the challenging times, for their wisdom in dealing with the ever-changing pressures on their way of life, and for their forgiveness when they suffered injustices and for their sharing of their knowledge when newcomers arrive and made the North their home as well.

I thank God for every leader at the community, regional or territorial level who has embarked on service with the best interest of their people at heart, that they would never lose sight of the honour and trust there is in being asked to lead. Whether that leadership is on a local school board, a member of a parent action committee, a community or band council member, a community justice committee, I trust that they will feel validated for their contribution in leadership.

For those who serve at the front lines of our programs and services to our people, I pray for strength, encouragement and supernatural wisdom. For the teacher who stands each day before a class of young minds with the desire to bestow knowledge, value and guidance, even when they feel alone or overwhelmed, I pray they will feel the support of their colleagues and this government and the network of leaders who oversee the education of our youth.

For the nurse at the local health care facility as they deal with the stress brought on by illnesses or the trauma and grief from the loss of a loved one through accident, illness or suicide. For the councillor who puts their heart and their hand out to victims of abuse or those struggling with addictions, that they would celebrate the small victories and it would give them inspiration to carry on.

I pray for us as legislators at this level of government that we would serve with humility and respect, never losing sight of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve from the most vulnerable to the strongest, from the youngest to the oldest, from the most lowly of means to the most successful. I pray that nothing that we do or say would be an affront to those who desire to serve and be involved through their life’s work or through their volunteering.

I thank God that His ways are higher than our ways, that His thoughts are higher than our thoughts and I pray that our leadership would demonstrate those values. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In October of 2008, my Member’s statement said that I believe that some consolidation of some NWT boards is necessary and I still believe that. Mr. Speaker, I also said that the Tlicho Services Board model is not the best option for board reform in the NWT and I encouraged the government to consider other options. I quote from the Hansard record of October 9, 2008, when I said, “There are many other combinations and hybrids of our current system open to us if we get creative. No option should be dismissed outright.”

I also said that the consolidation of boards in Yellowknife would be almost impossible and encouraged significant in-person consultation with stakeholders. It is now February 2009 and where are we? The amalgamation model was decided without genuine consideration of other possible options; in my mind, definitely without consultation. One definition of consultation says it is a discussion aimed at ascertaining opinions or reaching an agreement. That would be prior to any decision, not after. There was no opportunity for stakeholders to provide comments or input and that’s a shame.

Mr. Speaker, MLAs, board members and residents have yet to be told how the decision on the model was made. It’s now February 2009 and where are we? In-depth analysis of the impact of the proposed changes on our residents, our board members, our staff, our systems is still lacking or unavailable. Where is the proof for the research to show that the proposed model is the best one working successfully elsewhere and suitable to all regions of the NWT? It’s now February 2009 and where are we?

The Minister has presented board reform as an issue already decided. His high-handed attitude and remarks to the media have shown a clear disregard to the importance of all NWT residents who are concerned about this change. He’s dismissed them outright, Mr. Speaker, and that may not be his intent, but that’s the message he’s transmitted.

In a statement made by Mr. Miltenberger on Monday, he indicated that the government took a considered approach to finding a solution for board reform and that they used three principles as a basis for their decision. I agree with that approach and the principles are valid and acceptable, Mr. Speaker, but the problem and the principles should have been presented to our public along with a

blank page and a request for input to help create a model that will really work.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you to my colleagues. Working bottom up, not top down, Mr. Speaker, will garner buy-in to a problem from all participants. At this point, Cabinet has not sold their bill of goods to anyone except themselves. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am frustrated that once again we have taken a good policy opportunity with good intentions and turned it into an attack on the mood of our public whom we are meant to serve. We simply cannot continue to unleash public assaults and threats such as the current Board Reform Initiative. In fact, policy ideas such as this should first go through an internal process of maturing by being substantiated with representation from different perspectives and departments and with some cold hard facts to ponder. Only then, with a clear iterative public consultation

schedule identified should we begin to engage our public in a responsible way.

Mr. Speaker, the clear suggestion to throw out the entire existing system is causing undo upheaval, but it also threatens to throw out the baby with the bathwater. A good example of where the system is working is our two education boards right here in Yellowknife. Both boards operate within budget year after year and achieve a standard of education amongst the highest in Canada. These are democratically elected boards of passionate parents who by their very nature, are the most qualified people to be making decisions about children’s education. We need to recognize this success up front.

This does not detract from the need to look into ways we can ensure cooperation between boards when required.

The reason the housing authorities were created was to have operations at the community level. A good example of what can potentially happen when we remove this community-based approach and replace it with a bureaucratic approach is a transfer of the housing from the housing authority to ECE. This move is a failure costing our people more problems and our government more money than

the system it is replacing. This is a classic example of forced and ineffective reform and should speak to the Minister.

Stanton Territorial Hospital Authority delivers good services, but has experienced management problems and budget deficits most years since division. Loss of the public board exacerbated these failures. There are now indications that Stanton is finally improving with significant personnel changes and hard decisions.

Yellowknife Health and Social Services Authority continues to be effective and within budget, however, there may be opportunities for some productive thinking, for improving efficiency of health operations of these two authorities in Yellowknife.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

The biggest folly here is that we are force feeding a model on a number of systems, some of which are functioning very well and some of which are not. There seems to be no attempt to differentiate these or consider inherent regional realities to help focus and facilitate productive discussions and input.

Government’s proposals have generated more than some strong public reaction and feedback, as our Premier has said today, but they have done more than that; they have generated outright rejection. Surely we have learned our lesson by now and we realize good communications makes for good policy. If so, I would ask the Minister to show us.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Effects Of Board Reform Initiative On Small Communities

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Today, like my colleagues, I would like to talk about the proposed board reform and its potential impacts at the community level. The residents of Tu Nedhe are concerned that the new administrative process associated with board reform will create a new state of confusion at the community level. Also, we will see a loss of authority at the community level. Included in this is a loss of decision-making, which is a critical component in managing these areas. The consideration and evaluation of important community factors and other equally important intangibles can only be made possible by those living in the community.

The amalgamation of these boards into a regional board will create a loss of focus and expertise in each of the three areas of housing, health, and education. As an example, housing allocations; will the proposed regional boards result in housing allocations being made outside the community or will it mean that the local housing staff will now be taking on additional responsibilities, including making the important unit allocation decisions themselves? Does this mean new and revised job descriptions? Would this mean new positions? Would this mean a raise in pay? Does this mean all housing association and authority staff will now become GNWT staff?

Another example could be medical travel; an activity that hits close to home and an activity that has personal and economic impact on many families in our smaller communities. How will this be impacted by the new board reforms? There is a danger that regional boards will be more concerned with the bottom line than the welfare of individuals when making medical travel decisions.

Probably the most important concern with the amalgamation of the various boards into the regional, all-inclusive board is combining different mandates. In other words, the mandate of education is to increase the viability of an individual to provide opportunities for improving one’s skills and abilities and to do so over an extended period of time. On the other hand, the mandates of housing and health are primarily concerned with addressing serious and almost always immediate concerns and the basic necessities of life, personal health, and shelter issues.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Amalgamation of these mandates will not only result in a loss of expertise in these areas, but there is a danger that one will take precedence over the other. This is not good when all three are critical and must be treated as top priorities. All of these must be examined thoroughly and carefully, and due consideration must be given to those that will be directly impacted by this proposed change.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Effects Of Board Reform Initiative On Aboriginal Governments

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The board reform process has totally undermined the

constitutional rights and obligations we have to First Nations people. The Inuvialuit in my region settled their land claim in 1984 and the Gwich’in in 1992. They presently have two self-government tables being negotiated in the Beaufort-Delta region: one for the Inuvialuit and one for the Gwich’in. The Inuvialuit are negotiating for a regional government structure. The Gwich’in are negotiating what the obligations are under the treaties they signed in 1921 and the modern treaty they signed in 1992.

Those agreements give the aboriginal groups the right to negotiate self-government agreements, to take over programs and services that are presently provided by this government.

The First Nations people throughout the Northwest Territories and the rest of Canada have a fundamental right to self-government and to be accommodated under those self-government agreements to negotiate framework agreements to take on public government programs, such as housing, health care, education, policing, justice, cultural rights, and also those aboriginal rights that are still enforced under Treaty 8, which was signed in 1898, Treaty 11 in 1921, and the modern land claim agreements which have been signed in the last 20 years.

As we all know, the Tlicho have signed their agreement. Yes, they have a Tlicho Government, they do have a Tlicho Regional Services Board. But the Tlicho had the opportunity to negotiate what they feel will work for them. The other aboriginal groups in the Northwest Territories must have the same opportunity.

Regardless if it’s the Inuvialuit negotiating their regional government structure and developing the regional structures they want in regard to development of their programs and services or the Gwich’in in regard to negotiating their rights, the same thing applies with regard to the Sahtu communities where Deline has negotiated a community-based self-government agreement and the community of Tulita is in the same process.

The same thing applies to the people in the southern part of the Northwest Territories of whom we all know the Dehcho are negotiating a regional government for the Dehcho people and the Dehcho Nation...

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Krutko , your time for Member’s statement has expired.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Like I stated, the Dehcho are negotiating a regional government for the Dehcho government and the same thing applies to the Akaitcho, who are also negotiating their treaty rights with regard to Treaty 8.

I have to say that this government hasn’t done its homework when it comes to consultation that it has to impose upon aboriginal people and aboriginal governments to ensure that this does not interfere with those negotiations that are presently going on in the Northwest Territories and in the regions throughout the Northwest Territories.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Reaction Of Board Reform Initiative In The Sahtu

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I was listening to the issues of board reform and the information that’s been provided to me about board reform I was thinking about a time when in the Sahtu region we had something like a board reform. Finally, after many years of good politicking and the leaders in the House Assembly, this Assembly here, we finally have an educational divisional board. Several years ago we had a health board. Now we have a district office of the housing authority in the Sahtu region and we are just getting used to having this kind of authority in our region.

Now this government is proposing to take it away again. The people yet have not really fully benefited having full authority in the region in terms of these types of boards that the Minister is suggesting that we go towards a super board in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, people in the Sahtu, and I spoke to them and asked the leadership if they support the Board Reform Initiative. I have received letters and phone calls saying no, they do not support the board initiative at this time. There is no type of real genuine consultation that has gone on with my people in the Sahtu region. We have land claims, self-government negotiations that are being negotiated as we speak. This has an impact on the board reform. We, in the Sahtu, want the same rights in terms of education, health and housing.

We brought to the community level as close as possible where authority and decisions can be made. We have experience where education decisions, health decisions and even housing decisions were made out of the Sahtu region.

I will tell you what. It is not a good feeling when you are living in the region in communities where decisions are made at headquarters and regional levels. They tell you and they dictate to you, but they call it consultation. But it is really a dictatorship in terms of telling you what to do, how you are going to do it and what you should be grateful for. We know in the Sahtu region that this is the price you pay for being in a democratic society, the Northwest Territories, where the federal

government has given the right to aboriginal people to negotiate aboriginal governments.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

In closing, the people in the Sahtu agree with the Members here that board reform needs to be stopped and really looked at. Otherwise, this government here is going to feel the wrath of the Sahtu people.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Effects Of Board Reform On Nahendeh Communities

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Today I share my colleague’s concerns and I, too, will discuss the Board Reform Initiative. Also, welcome the many teachers, concerned citizens and youth in our gallery here today.

---Applause

The Ministers have proposed some very big changes. We would need to have some very clear and important reasons to understand why we should make those big changes. The Ministers have not yet been able to clearly explain to me what important and urgent problems they want to solve with these new regional services boards. In my riding of Nahendeh, the Dehcho Divisional Education Council is organized, efficient and within budget. The Dehcho Health and Social Service Authority is operating efficiently and effectively. The local housing organizations function well and as well they can relate to people’s circumstances.

We have capable administrators, financial managers and chief executive officers. We don’t have many issues with case management. Our agencies and staff currently work together for the betterment of our people.

I initially supported a review of our boards and agencies. However, the GNWT’s rollout package indicates that government is now actually proposing the merging of organizations and administrations. This now has the interest of my constituents and is developing into an issue of great concern. Mixing of health, education and housing is not a good combination. I liken it to the mixing of apples, oranges and bananas. There is just no way to make them the same.

It seems like the Ministers are proposing to make changes that would cost a lot of money and, in the end, would not make very much difference to the

people. I understand that there would be large HR costs to bring new people into the public service, transfer their pensions. I also understand that there would be significant computer costs so that everyone could be on PeopleSoft and the government’s new financial systems. And then there would be offices that would have to be rearranged and moved. We, as MLAs, would be surprised if we were able to review a carefully prepared estimate of these costs. I would expect that number could be in the millions of dollars, Mr. Speaker.

I would also seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you very much, colleagues. Effective and efficient delivery of our public services is all that our people ask. I believe that our current system is effective. I also believe that the proposed changes will not provide improved services to our people. I am not in favour of the proposed Board Reform Initiative. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Reaction To Board Reform Initiative In Nunakput

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Today I would like to talk about some real issues facing our local housing organizations in Nunakput. I really think these issues get lost when the government identifies its own priorities and diverts everyone’s attention to the topic of board reform, the way we are trying to improve services offered by local boards. No one really thinks that a super board is going to make any difference to the ordinary person in the community. Everyone knows talking about a super board means going to many meetings and discussions of a super board and will only take away from local organizations in the effort to manage and deliver local services.

In Nunakput, the Inuvik Housing Authority now manages services in Paulatuk and Sachs Harbour. This means now everyone takes longer because of the community who can help sort out our own problems. We all know it takes a while for income support processes and assessments. Now it takes longer for housing to organize their rental charges to their tenants. Now there are more people being evicted because of the rental arrears. Let’s do something real for our residents. We need to provide better services so they could live happier and more productive lives. You can’t convince me the changing of managers and the board members

will have any real affect in Paulatuk and Sachs Harbour to improve housing and income support services. Let’s start to really fix the problems and things that matter to the people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Lack Of Consultation On Board Reform Initiative

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, this morning when I was walking into the Legislative Assembly I saw two signs stuck in the snowbank. There are now dozens out there. One of the signs said, “super boards is super bad.” The other said, “one board does not fit all.” I have to say that I agree with these signs. The protesters who placed those signs outside of this Legislature are right. They hit the nail square on the head.

Over the last several months, there has been a lot of concern raised about this Cabinet’s direction to move forward with board reform focussing on going from 70 boards to seven using the Tlicho model as basis. In my opinion, that blind devotion to this model for every region in the NWT is a huge mistake. Fortunately, on Monday, February 16, 2009, the lead Minister of the Strategic Initiative Committee on Refocusing Government seemed to backtrack from that position. According to the unedited Hansard of February 16th , Minister

Miltenberger said, “Board reform is a work in progress. The issues are complex and it will take time to develop our plans and to implement any changes. We have stated in the past that this may end up taking on different forms in different regions.”

To me this suggested that Cabinet was finally moving away from the preconceived model from 70 to seven, which is what I wanted to hear. This message was strengthened by comments by Minister Lee in today’s Yellowknifer where she indicated that this is a work in progress; nothing is predetermined. To me, these comments from the Ministers suggested that they might be open to a healthy debate, that they might be willing to see reason and listen to the people in the NWT who are concerned about the dedicated direction the Cabinet is taking with respect to board reform.

Unfortunately, the good feeling didn’t last long. This morning while driving to work, I listened to an interview on the radio with Minister Miltenberger . I was incredibly disappointed to hear the Minister tell the reporter that we think we can go from 70 to seven and we are prepared to have a discussion. We want to meet towards that, but how we get

there and let’s get some consultation and feedback on that. Mr. Speaker, these comments fly in the face of the Minister’s comments on Monday. They are completely contradictory. What is the real message we are trying to send? To me, the message is clear. The Minister is still committed to going from 70 to seven. The decisions have already been made. The preferred model has been selected regardless of facts or research.

Once again, the voices of the people and the Regular MLAs aren’t being heard. It’s Supplementary Health Benefits Program changes all over again. When will Cabinet realize that they are here to represent the people of the NWT, not to do whatever they want, when they want and how they want? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Lack Of Analysis On Board Reform Initiative

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to speak today, as well, on the issue of the government’s plan to reform boards in the Northwest Territories. I spoke numerous times about my belief that the government has not done adequate or meaningful costing, research, consultation or analysis as it pertains to board reform. Mr. Speaker, no one can debate the fact that efficiencies need to be found. This continues to be a priority of the 16th Assembly. We seem to have

gone from finding efficiencies, which is a noble pursuit, to potentially gutting our education, health and housing boards. The edict that we go from 70 to seven boards from Minister Miltenberger is not what Regular Members envision. This is not what we wanted. You cannot point your finger at the Regular Members. This is Cabinet’s plan plain and simple. In my opinion, the move to regional super boards will do nothing to address efficiency. The Minister has yet to articulate exactly what the problems are.

These super boards will add another level of bureaucracy and be located, staffed and administered in regional centres. Mr. Speaker, will there be a corresponding loss of jobs in other communities? Absolutely. What the government is moving toward is an erosion of ministerial and legislative responsibility and accountability. With these super boards administering close to 70 percent of our annual budget, why would we even need 19 MLAs when the responsibility and oversight of close to 70 percent of our budget is done by what very well could amount to be appointed boards and chairs?

Mr. Speaker, we should be looking at ways to increase the responsibility of Ministers so accountability in our government can be maximized. Mr. Speaker, this government needs a lesson in consultation and what it means to engage the stakeholders and the public in a meaningful way. To date, they have failed miserably in consulting, researching and explaining what it is that they’re trying to do or to fix. The style of this government in its short time is to intimidate, to bully and to push around those most vulnerable in our society. Mr. Speaker, this abusive power has to stop somewhere. Mahsi.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, today I publicly demand Minister Miltenberger please put down your board reform pen and join the side of the people. If there is a time for unity, a vision where Northerners need to work together during these fiscally tight and uncertain times, the time is certainly now. The thinking of “government knows best” has been heard and is certainly now refuted by the people who are demanding better from their elected officials. From the turnout today, it is proof enough that the people want their government Ministers to now listen.

Mr. Speaker, if I may, the dream of a democratic approach was never designed around a one-size-fits-all. I have heard and seen time and time again that people want their government, regardless of what level, working better together. Perhaps, if the Minister hasn’t noticed yet, the people want their boards in health, in housing and in education. The people want their boards to be elected, independent and responsible directly to them but not to a bureaucrat out of their reach. Yes, there will be struggles, but that is the nature of what defines us. Now is the time to work towards efficiencies and not the deconstruction of our democratic right, our boards.

Reform is scary, Mr. Speaker. Everyone wants some version of it and in this case the word “reform” has meant steamrolling and amalgamating these boards together. It has not been built around practicality and reality. I’m a believer that if amalgamation is what the people really wanted, Mr. Speaker, then that’s what they would have asked for. I have heard no calls to make super boards out of our grassroots boards that are publicly elected and publicly responsible. Mr. Speaker, I haven’t seen one ounce of proof that efficiencies will be

made through this pass; no better representation and certainly no better quality of programming for our people. At this moment there has been no case to build on that effect. I can’t imagine a single person defending inefficiencies, so then where are they? So where are these great reasons to roll up our boards? I cannot see any.

The process from the beginning should have been about bringing people together to harmonize excellence, but not to force a merger through this representation. This should have been about building better relationships and efficiencies, not butchering our boards and our people. Mr. Speaker, this is no loss of respect or shame if this Minister and this government pulls this from the table, but there will be a new found respect earned today by the people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Colleagues, I’d like to draw your attention to the gallery today and the presence of Mr. Gerald Gerrand. He’s our Conflict of Interest Commissioner. Welcome to the House, Mr. Gerrand. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I risk leaving somebody out because I certainly can’t see the people who are assembled up behind me, but there are some constituents I would like to recognize: Mr. Duff Spence, who is a constituent and also the chairperson of Yellowknife Education District No. 1; Gladys and Albert Eggenberger, who are constituents of Frame Lake and long-time residents of Yellowknife. Welcome to the House.

I’d like to mention, as well, Mary Vane, who is the chair of Yellowknife Catholic Schools, who is here; Mel Pardy, the assistant superintendent of Yellowknife Education District No. 1; Garry Hubert, who is the executive director of SideDoor, and anybody else that I’ve missed, my apologies and welcome. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are a number of people in the gallery today and I just wanted to welcome all of the constituents that I have up in the audience today as well as parents and students, organizers of all those who showed up today in protest of the board reform. I welcome

your participation in this process and, again, welcome to the House.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m glad to be able to stand up today to recognize a constituent from Fort Smith, my constituency assistant Denise Yuhas, one of the best in the business and the only one from my community here today. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also would like to recognize everybody that is attending today, particularly those constituents from the Weledeh riding, and in particular all of the young people that have shown up today and remind us exactly what our jobs are. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Monfwi , Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I’d just like to recognize all the students that are here, the teachers, the chairpersons and the parents as well. Welcome to the Assembly. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to take a moment to recognize many, many constituents from Range Lake who are here. I know they know whose riding they’re in and I see them all. I just think there are too many for me to mention. I just want to thank them for being here. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s so important to recognize everyone here today. It’s difficult to recognize individuals due to the size of the crowd. I’m seeing people from the riding as well as from the Territory that I know. It should not go unnoticed the significant contribution of public display and effort here today. I want to thank everyone for coming. Thank you.

---Applause

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to thank constituents from Nahendeh that may be in the crowd there. I don’t want to be remiss in not mentioning their effort in coming to the capital and, as well, making the effort to come out to the Legislature. Thank you very much. Mahsi.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Today I’d like to welcome everyone into the House. It’s good to see all the kids out, livening up the place a bit. I’d like to recognize my mother-in-law, Edith Bourke, from Fort Smith today.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

There are a large number of constituents from the Great Slave riding. I’d like to thank you for coming and for the sake of time I’d like to recognize just one constituent and a neighbour, Mrs. Theresa Crane.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

I’d like to recognize any constituents of the Mackenzie Delta who may be in the gallery. More importantly, I’d like to take this opportunity to recognize a former Member of the Mackenzie Delta , Edith Bourke. It’s nice to see you again, Edith.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . If we’ve missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to the Chamber. I hope you’re enjoying the proceedings. It’s always nice to have an audience in here.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 144-16(3): Board Reform Initiative

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the lead Minister responsible for refocusing government. A common question I’ve been getting from constituents and northern residents when it comes to board reform is

why. What are we trying to fix? Today I would like the Minister to please tell me why Cabinet is proceeding with board reform and specifically what the problem is that we’re trying to fix.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Minister responsible for refocusing government, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 144-16(3): Board Reform Initiative

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d just like to point out initially that what was played in terms of my first comments this morning were from October 2008, followed at some point later by an interview with myself in Whitehorse. So that may have caused some of the concern for the Member for Great Slave .

The issue of board reform has been identified as a priority of the 16th Legislative Assembly. It has been

worked on for over a decade. The social programs area was one that was determined to be, in our opinion, significantly over-governed with 70 boards for health and social services, education, and housing. We set out with an initial concept to try to rationalize that board structure, building on a regional structure that’s there. It’s been a priority that’s been with us for these two Assemblies.

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Question 144-16(3): Board Reform Initiative

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Just as a note, when I made reference to the comments made they were actually from the comments made while in the Yukon, not the comments from October 2008. I didn’t really hear an answer as to what is the problem we’re trying to fix. Going back to the press release from February 16th from the Minister, as well as…Sorry.

Based on the unedited Hansard and the Minister’s press release from February 16th where he

confirmed the next steps in board reform, it sounded like Cabinet was not committed to a specific model. It sounded to me like there was recognition that regions have different realities.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Do you have a question, Mr. Abernethy ?

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

The question is coming. Okay. So then today, and that’s what I made reference to before about the comments that he made while in the Yukon, it sounded like you’re still pursuing 70 to seven. To me this seems like a contradiction. Could the Minister please clarify the Cabinet’s position on this issue? Is 70 to seven Cabinet’s preferred model?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

It’s the model that we’ve moved forward with to this point trying to do the work to prove how it could be done, the impact of it being done. We recognize that it’s going to require significant discussion, which is why we picked April as the milestone date to see and look at the work that’s been done and then decide on any changes that are going to be necessary and on

the way forward with the broad issue of board reform.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

So for clarity, the answer is yes?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

For clarity, the answer is that’s where we started. We recognize that with the regional differences and discussion that’s going to ensue, that’s not necessarily where we’re going to end up. It was our starting point. We put it out there. We’ve been looking at if it’s doable and if it’s doable what will it look like. We’ve asked for feedback and we’ve been receiving that. We know that there are other options out there. April is going to take us to the point where we can have that discussion of how we move forward.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister tell me what other models for board reform they are currently investigating?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

considered whether we would look at going with territorial boards only, which is not a model that made sense to us in terms of removing control from the regions and communities. We agreed from the very start as an Assembly that the status quo needed improving. The one model we had been looking at that seemed to have applicability was the regional service model as it’s been set up over the years in Tlicho.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 145-16(3): Models Considered For Board Reform

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. When the Minister was in my riding and we met with the Dehcho Health Board and the Dehcho Divisional Education Board he indicated that the Alberta government model was that they had merged boards as well. In that case they merged the health boards with health boards and education boards with education boards. And albeit too, it wasn’t very effective. I’d also like to ask, prior to this model were there any other models that the Minister or their committee had looked at before rolling out this package?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . I didn’t hear any question, but I’ll go to the Minister for refocusing government, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We, as I indicated, looked at territorial boards. We didn’t see great value to that in our

style of government. We, of course, looked at the status quo and then we looked at the regional service model as has been put in place in the Tlicho.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I concur that at the beginning of this Assembly we all sat down and indicated that a review of the boards and agencies was important. But I still don’t understand how we can merge a health and social services board with an education board. To me and to people who work inside those organizations, it doesn’t make sense. I’d like to know the reasoning behind that decision to put forth this model.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

There were case management issues, there were efficiencies through administration and finance we believe are there and are the two key areas that we think would allow us to rationalize that. It would hopefully in the long term allow us to put more money into programs and tie up as little as possible on the administration and finance and policy sides.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

You can make the same argument to propose a merge of the Workers’ Compensation Board with the Power Corporation Board, but it just doesn’t fit. I’d like to ask again how they can make an assessment and think there’s a fit here.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

We’ve indicated that this is, what we came forward with was an initial concept. We recognize that there are lots of questions to be answered. The timeline was up to 2010-2011. This April is a milestone date to look at the work that we’ve done on the particular approach. Is that going to be the way forward? If there are going to be adjustments, what are they? Those are the questions and debate and discussion we were looking to have in April with the Members.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 146-16(3): Lack Of Support For Board Reform Proposal

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don’t think the Minister responsible for refocusing government has to wait for April to find out what Members think. I think very little research is really required to find out whether or not this side of the House supports going from 70 boards to seven boards. The Minister sat here today. He’s heard all 11 Members on this side of the House stand up and say we don’t like your policy, we don’t like your process, we don’t like the way you’re going about this. Why don’t you just save us all a lot of time and

trouble and commit here today to take this off the table?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister responsible for refocusing government, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The broad issue is board reform. If that is not the way forward, what is the way forward on board reform? If the decision of the House is that board reform is off the table in its entirety that is a significantly different and more fundamental issue than we don’t like a particular concept. But we think there’s some value to board reform and what is that direction going to take.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Any responsible government should always be monitoring for efficiencies and effectiveness in any governance model that they have. That would be an expected thing to do. I sat on the committee for Agencies, Boards, and Commissions’ review with the Minister and with Ms. Lee in the last Assembly. Somewhere between the research inventory of our boards and what has come forward now from this government there has been a strange quantum leap. Where did this Minister get this idea that going from 70 to seven was ever going to fly in the Northwest Territories?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

I’d like to call attention to the visitors in the gallery. We welcome you here. We hope you’re enjoying the proceedings. But I would like to remind you of the rules that there is not to be any applauding in the Chamber. I’ve been very patient today so far, but just a reminder and I ask for your cooperation. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When we embarked upon this initiative it was recognized that there is a significant restructuring that is entailed in this particular initiative; that there was going to be, when there was engagement across the North, a lot of discussion about how to deal with board reform. We have put forward an initial suggestion. We recognize that there is a lot of concern. The issue of board reform is still a priority of the 16th Legislative

Assembly. I’ve heard comments from a number of the Members that they don’t necessarily agree with this particular approach, but there is some type of board reform needed. It was hoped that in April we would be having that discussion. If it’s not this, what is it? If it’s nothing and board reform is going to be pulled off the table as a priority of this Assembly, then that’s a discussion as well that can be held.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

The boards and agencies which currently exist in our communities

and regions across the Northwest Territories took many years to evolve to the point that they did. They were intended to encourage participation from people more than us. Consensus government doesn’t stop at the doors of this building. Consensus government is a Territory-wide concept. What does Mr. Miltenberger say to those people who are contributing here in Yellowknife and in the communities around the Northwest Territories. What does he say to those people who have contributed so much to build this capacity and be involved for the work that they have done?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

We appreciate the work that every board member has contributed over the years, but we also recognize that we have a system that has evolved without a lot of planning over the years, often by program area, by ministry, and we have evolved now where we have 150 boards for 42,000 people for a whole host of different program areas. We have 70 in health and social services, housing, and education alone. We are of the opinion that there are ways to provide enhanced decision-making at the regional community level at the same time as rationalizing some of the board structures.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a very divisive initiative that this government has gone out with. It has not been costed. There are so many unanswered questions. It is causing people in the regions, in the communities, in the aboriginal governments to consider their confidence in this government. What can the Minister suggest that we do to dial back on this initiative and start again to look for efficiencies and effectiveness? What venue or process would he suggest going forward?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

There are a number of options. If the intent is to have further and greater consultation within a specific time frame, there are committees in the past that this Legislature has struck special committees for different things with a specific budget and timeline and clear mandate to go out and do business, which is one way this Legislature has to take that matter into this Legislature. The mandate and all those things would be worked out is one option that comes most immediately to mind as I stand here.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also would like to ask questions of the Minister for refocusing government. I’m wondering what boards and agencies do we have that actually have elected members, democratically elected members. I know the two education boards in Yellowknife. Are there others in the Northwest Territories?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister responsible for refocusing government, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 147-16(3): Role Of Elected Members In Board Reform Initiative

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Education has elected boards for the most part. The one exception I believe exists was the arrangements made in Fort Smith where the DEA patterned itself under the health board arrangement where there were two seats for the band, two for the Metis, and two for the general public. But for the most part education boards are elected and health boards are appointed. And the LHO boards, as well, I believe are appointed.

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Question 147-16(3): Role Of Elected Members In Board Reform Initiative

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I think these elections are important parts of our democratic process. I think also that particularly in education, the area the Minister has identified, this is a way we can find passionate and truly dedicated people. The statements I’ve seen by the Minister, the outright statements and insinuations, is that we would get rid of all these democratically elected positions and move to appointments. Does the Minister not agree that this would be a loss of engagement with our public? A loss of the civil input, civil society role for meaningful input and the passion that we really want in our education?

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Question 147-16(3): Role Of Elected Members In Board Reform Initiative

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

There have been no insinuations. I have stated clearly right from the start, and consistently, that the issue of elected versus appointed has yet to be determined. That the structure that we currently have has a mix and as we move forward with board reform, that would be one of the issues that would have to be debated and decisions made on the most appropriate type of structure. Are there other hybrid models? There’s some appointed seats, there are some guaranteed seats, there’s a number of options out there that have yet to be considered.

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Question 147-16(3): Role Of Elected Members In Board Reform Initiative

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Perhaps I have been misreading the statements, as have many other people. I’m wondering, just for clarity, is the Minister equally interested in comments on elected versus appointed memberships on these boards and agencies and will he actively seek input on that specific question of democratic elections?

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Question 147-16(3): Role Of Elected Members In Board Reform Initiative

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Going forward from April those questions would have to be discussed. The whole issue of all the work done to cost out some of the Collective Agreement issues, pension issues, would have to be looked at. The discussion about the concept and if that’s not the right concept what is the plan, there are a number of significant issues that would have to be addressed going forward. April is just one of the first milestone dates. We had given ourselves to 2010-2011 to work through the planning, design, and implementation. After April we will be looking at those decisions and further consultations.

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Question 147-16(3): Role Of Elected Members In Board Reform Initiative

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 147-16(3): Role Of Elected Members In Board Reform Initiative

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That hasn’t clarified the process here to me. Just for clarity, will the Minister be providing the public with the information necessary for them to be able to comment prior to April 1st or is our public to remain

mute until April 1st and then they can look at the

results and comment thereafter?

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Question 147-16(3): Role Of Elected Members In Board Reform Initiative

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

We’ve laid out the work we’re trying to get concluded by April so that we can have that fulsome discussion about next steps. The issue of the debate over some of these fundamental issues is yet to be had. The debate over and looking at some of the numbers and costs that are tied into some of the broader issues with collective agreements and implementation and the costing have yet to be had. So the assurance to the Member is that we look forward and plan on further consultation and debate on those fundamental issues, recognizing once again that there is going to be, in all probability, regional differences as there are regional differences that currently exist.

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Question 147-16(3): Role Of Elected Members In Board Reform Initiative

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 148-16(3): Board Reform Consultation Process

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the community that I come from, Tulita, I asked the Tulita Housing Association if they understand the Board Reform Initiative and if they do, whether or not they agree with it. The members of the housing association said no, they don’t understand it, and no, they don’t agree with it. So I’m asking the Minister here, in terms of his consultation policy, what it will take for him -- and he’s giving some indications by April -- as to how to go forward in terms of this reform initiative.

This consultation process between now and April, just one community of Tulita -- I represent five communities -- the consultation process in terms of communicating with the people in their aboriginal language and in their second language of

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Question 148-16(3): Board Reform Consultation Process

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister responsible for refocusing government, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 148-16(3): Board Reform Consultation Process

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are seven weeks left. I have asked them to lay out all the work that we’re going to conclude, the consultations that we’re going to try to undertake in the next seven weeks, taking into consideration as well that we’re going to be in this House until March 13th . We recognize very

clearly going forward after April the next phase, once we decide on how we move forward, that there’s going to be more consultation required, probably broader consultation once we get things clarified in terms of general direction.

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Question 148-16(3): Board Reform Consultation Process

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

I would like to ask the Minister, the Tulita Housing Corporation said no, the Fort Good Hope community says no, the Sahtu Regional Health Board and education board have said no. What part of “no” on this board reform does the Minister not understand? The people in the Sahtu do not want…

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I ask the Minister what it will take for this House here to tell the Minister to cease and desist on the health board initiatives from the Sahtu people. What will it take?

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Question 148-16(3): Board Reform Consultation Process

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

We’re back to the fundamental question. If the Legislature decides that board reform is totally off the table for this Assembly and it will be dealt with at a later date by a different Assembly, that’s a very fundamental question. If it’s a question of board reform, but not this type of board reform, then we have to have that discussion about how to best move forward on the broad issue of board reform to not lose sight of that goal as a priority of the 16th Assembly. So this

Legislature will be determining the next steps.

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Question 148-16(3): Board Reform Consultation Process

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

The people of Colville Lake have a dire need for basic services and programs in their community. This proposal, the majority of this Assembly says yes, we will look at a model, will the reform look at the community of Colville Lake to get basic care for dental, nursing, social workers, mental health workers as right now they’re fighting strongly for it. Will this do that for them? Because right now, the way it is, this structure here will certainly deter services farther from Colville Lake than ever. I have not yet seen any type of evidence in terms of how this proposal is going to help my people in the Sahtu.

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Question 148-16(3): Board Reform Consultation Process

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just a few days ago we concluded the health budget. It’s over $300 million; about 25 percent of the territorial budget. This issue of board reform deals with administration, finance, and governance. The health programs and needs that the Member talks about, the requirements for further enhanced services are all issues that are being dealt with through the health budget, through the education budget for education issues, through the housing budget where there are additional funds.

What this particular initiative concentrates on is trying to rationalize the governance structure and look for efficiencies when it comes to finance and admin. It does not detract from the importance of the issues that the Member is raising, but those will continue to be dealt with through the program and budgeting processes and business planning processes that now exist with the Department of Health and Social Services.

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Question 148-16(3): Board Reform Consultation Process

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 148-16(3): Board Reform Consultation Process

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Minister has alluded to, the Health and Social Services budget I know the majority of funding where it’s spent. We all just check the records where this money is spent in terms of funding for health and social services issues. I would ask the Minister in terms of this reform initiative here, in terms of going forward here, that the Minister has talked with the self-government negotiating tables in our communities in terms of what is it that he’s trying to do. We are trying to get power back to the people to make decisions in our communities for our people.

This government here is taking power away from people. So it’s going against what we have been fighting for, for many years. Has the Minister talked to the self-government communities in terms of their self-government arrangements in terms of programs that we’re fighting for in our communities?

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Question 148-16(3): Board Reform Consultation Process

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

We believe that this initiative is going to affect with the clarity and efficiencies we think we will realize if the board reform is done properly in whatever the final configuration is should lead to better and stronger support of the community and regional level. We also acknowledge, and from the very start and continue to acknowledge, that as self-government discussions and negotiations continue and as they’re decided, then of course the structures in the regions where these agreements are negotiated will reflect the final content of the self-government agreements.

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Question 148-16(3): Board Reform Consultation Process

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 149-16(3): Role Of Minister In Board Reform Discussion

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I listened to the Ministers’ statements earlier today and I was impressed that the three Ministers -- Housing, Health and Social Services, and Education -- actually broke their silence on board reform.

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Question 149-16(3): Role Of Minister In Board Reform Discussion

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An Hon. Member

Finally.

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Question 149-16(3): Role Of Minister In Board Reform Discussion

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Finally. I think it’s about time that they stood up and are held accountable for their support of this Board Reform Initiative. I want to begin by asking the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment if he’s not going to defend the interest of the DEAs that are out there, the school boards, the parents, and the children in our Territory, who else is going to defend their interests at that Cabinet table?

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Question 149-16(3): Role Of Minister In Board Reform Discussion

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 149-16(3): Role Of Minister In Board Reform Discussion

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, M