Debates of Jan. 30th, 1997

This is page numbers 281 - 314 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Ministers Absent From The House

Adolescent Solvent Abuse Treatment Program

Support For Victims Of The Old Crow School Fire

Impact Of Budget Reductions On Low Income Families

Inuvik Heating Costs

Senior's Fuel Subsidy Program

Jurisdictional Responsibility For House Boats

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Regional Librarian Positions

Rural And Remote Housing Program

Proposed Increase To Inuvik Heating Costs

Response To Footprints 2

New Revenue Initiatives

Repatriation Of Northerners From Southern Institutions

Methods For The Issuance Of Contracts

Privatization Of Computer Services

Funding For The Western Constitutional Process

Price Of Fuel Oil

Eligibility For Social Housing When In Arrears

Services To Community Libraries

Funding For Construction Of The Fort Mcpherson School

NWT Diamonds Project Environmental Agreement

Funding For Alcohol And Drug Programs

Nunavut Supreme Court Justice

Environmental Contaminants From Mining Activity

Funding For The Construction Of The Fort Mcpherson School

Community Economic Development Agreement

Nunavut Infrastructure Operational Costs

Hiring Priority For Nunavut Positions

Funding For The Western Constitutional Process

Funding For Aboriginal Self-government Negotiations

Written Question 7-13(4): Over Budgeted Capital Projects

Written Question 8-13(4): Housing Corporation Revenues And Expenditures

Replies To Budget Address 3-13(4)

Item 14: Tabling Of Documents

Referral Of Td 20-13(4) To Committee Of The Whole

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Honourable Don Morin , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable John Todd

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Oh, God! May your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 34-13(4): Ministers Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Manitok Thompson is ill and will be absent from the House today.

As well, Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be late for Session today. He is returning from a meeting in Edmonton with the federal Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development regarding the Canada Endangered Species Protection Act.

The Honourable Jim Antoine will also be late for Session today. He is returning from Deh Cho Leaders Assembly in Fort Providence, I believe. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 34-13(4): Ministers Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng

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Minister's Statement 35-13(4): Adolescent Solvent Abuse Treatment Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Speaker, this past September the federal government discontinued its funding of the Adolescent Solvent Abuse Treatment Program, placing the operation of the program in jeopardy. The Department of Health and Social Services stepped in to allow the program to operate until the end of this fiscal year.

Today, I am pleased to announce that the Department of Health and Social Services will provide the necessary funding to continue to keep the Adolescent Solvent Abuse Treatment Program running. Not only will the program stay open, Mr. Speaker, but its scope can be broadened. Federal funding restrictions meant that the program had to target aboriginal youth with solvent abuse problems. Now, with the commitment of territorial government funding, Northern Addiction Services, who operate the program here in Yellowknife, will have the flexibility to include treatment of alcohol and drug abuse for aboriginal and non-aboriginal youth.

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Minister's Statement 35-13(4): Adolescent Solvent Abuse Treatment Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Speaker, it is a sad truth that far too many of our northern youth abuse alcohol, drugs, and solvents. A recent survey found that over a third of northern youth aged 15 to 24 were heavy drinkers, over a third had used marijuana or hashish, and an alarming 13 percent had sniffed solvents. Our future is in our young people, Mr. Speaker. Successful early intervention in the lives of young drug and alcohol abusers will mean fewer addicted adults in the future.

The Department of Health and Social Services is working very hard to find better ways to meet the health and social needs of northerners. Supporting this valuable program is an important part of our effort to keep our young people healthy and work towards eliminating the root causes of health and social problems. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Minister's Statement 35-13(4): Adolescent Solvent Abuse Treatment Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Support For Victims Of The Old Crow School Fire

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we all know, the school in Old Crow was destroyed by fire. The evacuation of the school went smoothly without incident, and no one was hurt. I would like to commend the teachers and the students for carrying this out in a thoughtful manner. In the process of evacuation, the children and teachers left behind their boots, shoes, mitts, scarves, neck warmers, jackets, and parkas. Mr. Speaker, the Gwich'in in Mackenzie Delta are now gathering school supplies and clothing for the children of Old Crow.

I have been informed that a charter will be departing to Old Crow with some supplies, clothing, tomorrow morning. The people of Fort McPherson will also be travelling to Old Crow to lend support to the teachers and students.

I would like to call on other communities in the Northwest Territories to donate any kind and welcome anything that can be dropped off at the Gwich'in offices in the communities of Fort McPherson, Inuvik, Aklavik, Tsiigehtchic. Communities can also send supplies and clothing to Chief Randal Tetlichi, Old Crow, Yukon, Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Support For Victims Of The Old Crow School Fire

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 281

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Impact Of Budget Reductions On Low Income Families

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. While I am pleased by the attempts on the part of the present government to live within an increasingly bleak revenue picture, I am very concerned that the lack of focus on how we implement our budget will bring far more pain than need to our population. Especially for the most vulnerable, those with little, or unemployment, or other options. Until we can improve our decision making system, waste may be the order of the day. The arbitrariness of cuts for some programs recently issued demonstrates this point. It seems to be some type of Ouija board government happening here, which takes more direction from touchy-feely current instincts.

At the root of this problem is the lack of on-going evaluation of programs, systematic evaluation providing us with comparisons of value for many more program wishes than we can completely fund.

Mr. Speaker, today I had a call from a single mother with two small children. The mother explained to me that she pays $580 every two weeks for day care. Mr. Speaker, this working mother takes home a net pay of $987 every two weeks. By the time she buys groceries and pays taxi fares, she has $30 left. She has to pay the power bill and her phone bill, et cetera. Mr. Speaker, the gross salary of this individual is $35,000 a year. She is a member of the working poor. I have tried to refer this lady to various departments for help, but, Mr. Speaker, she makes too much money. Can you believe that?

She makes too much money. The mother said that by going on social assistance, she would be better off financially. We have to address this, Mr. Speaker. The point here is that yes, we have to balance the budget. Yes, we have to cut back. Yes, we have to reduce, but we also have to maintain the less fortunate in our society that Mr. Todd talked about the other day, which Mr. Miltenberger mentioned yesterday. If we do not do this, it will all have been for nothing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Impact Of Budget Reductions On Low Income Families

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements, Mr. Roland .

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Inuvik Heating Costs

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Colleagues, I rise this afternoon to once again ...

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Inuvik Heating Costs

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Inuvik Heating Costs

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Say hello to my wife and family back home. Thank you Mr. Miltenberger . Mr. Speaker, I would hate to disappoint the gentlemen around the table here. Mr. Speaker, I have concern, in the community of Inuvik, that once again we are taking undo pressure when it comes to budget reductions. Mr. Speaker, I have recently received calls from my home community of Inuvik on a concern with the news that is going around town on the proposed rate hikes for the high temp system in Inuvik. They are saying that the high temp system could rise by approximately 60 percent in the buildings.

Mr. Speaker, in a community that is already hard hit, that has lost a lot of employment, and is continuing to try and adjust dealing with the deficit situation it is put in, I am concerned that, as a government, and parts of our government, are looking at imposing or trying to impose such outrageous rates. Mr. Speaker, I have spoken to a number of people who have owned homes in Inuvik that bought their homes from the GNWT that were hooked to the existing high temp system. On certain months of the year they can pay up to $800 a month just alone for the heat they receive in their homes. Sixty percent of that, Mr.

Speaker, to add on top of less wages to pay the bills. Mr. Speaker, I have very serious concerns at what message we are sending when it comes to fairness and trying to deal with the people in the territories equally. I will have questions for the appropriate Minister at a later time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Inuvik Heating Costs

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Senior's Fuel Subsidy Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I am going to tell a story. Once upon a time, in a little town in the Northwest Territories, there was a street. And on that street lived a variety of townspeople. In the first house, lived a little elderly grandma, and she owned the home that her late husband and she had lived in. She had many happy memories from this modest home where she had raised her children, who were now all grown up. On her meager income of $13,000 per year, she had a fairly happy life, until one day the government came along and told her that she was earning too much money, and that the fuel man and wood man were not coming to her house any more unless she had the money to pay them.

She ran to her good neighbours to ask if the government had been to their door. The couple next door had indeed had a visit too, but although their house was the same size as hers, and it cost roughly the same to heat and maintain, the wood man and the fuel man were still coming to their house because, although their household income was $29,000, they were not earning too much. She ran to the neighbours next to them, who were really comfy and warm. They were getting ready to go on a trip to see their children.

And, although they were retired and living on a good pension, they had extra money to buy things for their grandchildren, to eat out once in a while, and buy good food and clothing. The old lady was happy for these neighbours because they lived in a home owned by the government. They did not have to pay for their wood, fuel, power, rent, repairs, nothing, but the government had not been to their door either.

Alas, the old woman returned to her home. That night she shivered in her bed, wondering what she could do to afford her little house. She was comfortable there. Could she get a job? Could she move into a government house too? No, there were no more, and she was too old for anyone to hire her. The government houses were all taken. She would cut back on her food and clothing and get some cheap wood from the correctional centre. But when she called them up she found out that there was no more cheap wood for seniors.

Although the woman tried not to worry, she began to dread the night when she would lay in her bed all alone and worry about the future. After many sleepless nights, she became sick and stopped going out of her house. One day, the ambulance came and picked her up, and she lived out all the rest of her days in the hospital. The hospital was nice and she thought that it must cost the government a lot of money. But she was lonely for her little house. She quit looking forward to visits from her family, and one day she quietly passed away. Her grandchildren and her neighbours sadly missed her. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Senior's Fuel Subsidy Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 283

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements, Mr. Erasmus .

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Jurisdictional Responsibility For House Boats

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is about the jurisdictions in the Northwest Territories, in particular Yellowknife. Mr. Speaker, over the past year there has been lots of discussion in Yellowknife about house boats. This has caused confusion and anger for many people. In other places, this particular type of situation is not an issue. There are plenty of examples of house boats in B.C. For instance, in Vancouver the City of Vancouver has jurisdiction over house boats and there are land use marine guidelines used.

On Granville Island, CMHC has jurisdiction by order of council, and the land, in this case the water, is leased to the home owners. Mr. Speaker, the problem is jurisdiction. Elsewhere in Canada, it is clear who is responsible. Here, in the Northwest Territories, and particularly Yellowknife, there are many players. There is the city, there is the territorial government, there is the federal government, and then, of course, there are the aboriginal people because of the claims. Everything is up in the air.

There are treaty land entitlements, land claims, and self-government is still hanging around out there unanswered. The federal government has authority over some land and waters. It is ridiculous that so much time, energy, and dollars are being spent on this issue in Yellowknife. Once again, lack of decisive action by the federal government is causing trouble for northerners. We need the jurisdiction clarified. Not just for house boats, but for other activities. The federal government must settle self-government and land claim issues, and soon.

The general public and potential investors should not have to wonder who is responsible for the land. It is time we were responsible for our own land, not just treated as tenants. It is primarily the federal government who can clarify this. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Item 4, Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Todd .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me pleasure today to recognize John Hicks who is the newly elected mayor of Rankin Inlet, and with him is Antonie Masone, who is the administrative officer for the centre of the universe, the growing metropolis, the constituency that stands above all the rest, my home town, Rankin Inlet. Thank you.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ootes .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to acknowledge the presence of Yellowknife businessman and well known northerner, Dave McCann, in our gallery today, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 165-13(4): Regional Librarian Positions

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the past few days I have been trying to get some information from the Minister of Education on the librarian's position. In the Department of Education's capital standards, regional librarians are described as having a specific purpose. They are established to support a specific designated region. The standards indicated regional libraries are designed for joint use with the community library. In the past there has been a clearly demonstrated need for the regional library in the Baffin Region. Can the Minister explain why his department has decided that this need no longer exists, and is eliminating the regional librarian position?

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Question 165-13(4): Regional Librarian Positions

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture, and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Question 165-13(4): Regional Librarian Positions

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think that the answer to this question is the same as I have given in the last couple of days. The positions have been eliminated across the Northwest Territories. It is a budgetary measure, but it is also one that we feel will not have a significant impact on community libraries, because support can still be provided through other means. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 165-13(4): Regional Librarian Positions

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Supplementary To Question 165-13(4): Regional Librarian Positions

Question 165-13(4): Regional Librarian Positions

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Todd thinks it is a good answer, but 4,000 other people do not. In the past, Mr. Speaker, the Minister has talked about technology, and how that will help when the regional librarian is gone. Is the Minister indicating, when he talks about technology in small communities in the Baffin, that modern technology has reached a point where it can replace people?

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Supplementary To Question 165-13(4): Regional Librarian Positions

Question 165-13(4): Regional Librarian Positions

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Question 165-13(4): Regional Librarian Positions

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I think I have answered this question previously. The technology is progressing to the point where we believe that

certainly in the next little while, the services will be delivered adequately to all communities. Thank you.

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Question 165-13(4): Regional Librarian Positions

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Supplementary To Question 165-13(4): Regional Librarian Positions

Question 165-13(4): Regional Librarian Positions

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Sometimes I think this technology is becoming almost like a frankenstein monster that we are creating. Mr. Speaker, the community was not consulted with the removal or supposed lay-off of the regional librarian position. Is that community empowerment? Is that community consultation that we keep priding ourselves on in this House?

I have raised my concerns before the preservation and use of Inuktitut in this House, and one of the advantages of having a regional librarian in the Baffin is to deal with Baffin communities, is that she has that quick access to Inuktitut language speakers who could help clarify requests and queries. I am sure that the staff in Hay River do not have that same access, especially since the same Minister is also proposing to eliminate the interpreter translator services at the language bureau. It is very hard for me to get my question out Mr. Speaker, when the people across the floor are interrupting me.

Can the Minister indicate how language difficulties in requests by many of the unilingual people in the Baffin Region can be addressed by people in Hay River? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. To remind the Members again to have your

preamble and then three supplementaries.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this was not a community position that was being eliminated, and does not in anyway tie into community empowerment. Therefore, we are not proposing to eliminate any community librarians.

The positions that we are proposing to eliminate, there are two of them, one in Keewatin and one in the Baffin, are the only two regional positions left in the Territories. It is difficult for me, as Minister, to stand up and say that two regions deserve special treatment, when we cannot put the regional librarians into other regions in the Territories. We are confident, Mr. Speaker, that the services will still be available electronically to all community librarians across the north. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would not need a long

preamble or a long lead in time in the question if the Members would give the dignity and respect, and decorum in this House that, I think, we should be generating to the people of the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, the Minister said that he cannot afford to keep the librarian position in Rankin Inlet, and cannot afford to keep it in Iqaluit because it is not anywhere else in the Northwest Territories. Does that make it right? We cut two people because we cannot afford to put them somewhere else? I do not think that is good politics. I do not think that is good government.

So, my question to the Minister is will he rethink, will this government rethink, will this department rethink the layoff notice given to the regional librarian in Iqaluit and also in Rankin Inlet? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, the Member may not think it is good politics, but I have presented other arguments as reasons for what we are doing. Those being that we can maintain the services without those positions. Therefore, Mr. Speaker, the answer to his question is no.

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Question 166-13(4): Rural And Remote Housing Program

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of housing. It is in regards to the old R and R housing programs, which a lot of them were built in my constituency, and which to date people are still paying mortgages on those units. At the time of signing those mortgages, their understanding was that it was going to cost them $59,000 to build these units, and also they use that equity to build these. Yet, some 20 years later, they have paid in the range of $130,000 on these units. Yet, they are continuing to pay monthly. To the Minister of the Housing Corporation , can he tell me if the department is looking into this matter and trying to resolve it? Thank you.

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The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, it is a fact of life that with these long term mortgages that in most cases you will be paying for 20, 25, 30 years on the mortgage before it is paid off. I am aware of the concern that the Member has raised. It has been raised by the Member from Fort Smith several times to me. We are looking into the concerns raised.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My supplementary, could the Minister inform the clients who have received the R and R housing program that you are looking into the matter, so that it can resolve some of their concerns also?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker. What I will do is talk again with my staff in the Housing Corporation and see if there is, in fact, anything that we can do, but I do not want to do with these homeowners is to raise the expectations that we may be changing their payments. So, I will look into it first before making any inquiries outside.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister give me an idea on the timeframe that we are looking at in regards to this matter being resolved, and how soon can you resolve it?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

I cannot say at this time, but tomorrow afternoon at 2 o'clock, my officials and I are meeting with the Standing Committee on Social Programs. Mortgages, rents, housing shortages, et cetera are on the agenda for discussion. What I can say is that I will attempt to find an answer to the Member's question and answer it at that time.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Final supplementary, could the Minister tells us exactly what the interest rates these people are paying on the mortgage of those houses versus what it is to date?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I can find that out also and tell the Member tomorrow.

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Question 167-13(4): Proposed Increase To Inuvik Heating Costs

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 285

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be directed to the Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corp. Mr. Speaker, recently, as I said earlier, news has been going around the community of Inuvik about the proposed rate hikes of those families whose homes are still connected to the high temp system. I would like to ask the Minister responsible if he is aware of this, and what would be the need to raise rates so high. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Power Corporation has been hired under contract to operate the utilidor system by the Inuvik Utilidor Planning Committee, which is made up of the municipality and government agencies. What appears to be driving the increases are two major factors: one, the reduction in the number of users on the system, which means that remaining users on the system have their rates go up in order to cover the relatively high fixed costs of operating the system; two, the system is getting quite old, and requires a significant amount of maintenance to keep it in operation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would any of the cost of running the facility be related to the price of oil they have to pay for running the facility nowadays? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the price of oil would always play some

part in the cost of operating boilers. There is no question the price of oil has gone up significantly in the past year to year and a half. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Following up my question to the Minister would be regarding the increased price of oil, could it have anything to do with the deal this government made for getting oil from a different place? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The cost of oil in the western Arctic is pooled. The purchase arrangements made this year where the corporation worked in cooperation with Public Works and Services should mean no net significant difference in the cost of oil, other than what the market increase has been. In fact, the Power Corporation is expecting to receive an offsetting payment from Public Works

to balance out the extra cost for the heavy oil to the Inuvik region. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is very reassuring to hear that. Would the Minister be letting the people of Inuvik know that there will be this offsetting reduction that would help the people of Inuvik, so this impact might not be such a necessarily high one? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to be very clear that the increase in the price of oil is a worldwide factor. It has caused the Power Corporation's operations across the Northwest Territories to see a tremendous increase in costs in the last year. This is true in Inuvik, Iqaluit, and Yellowknife, and is only one very small part of what is really driving up the costs in the Inuvik high temperature heating system. I would not want to stand here and give the residents of Inuvik some cause to believe that there is going to be a significant decrease in the cost of the operations of that system because of the offset that we are expecting from Public Works. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for division activities. The journey to division 1999 is going to be one that requires a lot of patience, cooperation, compromise and statesmanship, I would suggest. I understand that NTI and NIC have recently made some very harsh public comments about decisions made by this Assembly, in the government in regards to Footprints 2. Could the Minister indicate what his response will be in his reply to this particular incident? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The chair finds it difficult to refer this because we do not have any specific portfolio that is responsible for division. So I will refer to the Premier , and the Premier can refer to a Minister that might be taking on the role of responsibility.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will refer that question to the Minister responsible for division, the Chairman of the Division Committee, Mr. Todd . Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it would be fair to say I am somewhat uncomfortable responding to the question that my honourable colleague raised. However, I think, in general, it is somewhat unfortunate if issues, such as the kind of comments that have been made in the press lately, they only, in my opinion, serve to muddy the waters, if you will, and to complicate an already fragile coalition of thought.

I would hope that, in the future, clearly the need for us to reach a consensus by all parties, and to rise above small-minded partisan attitudes and I would hope that all parties would rise above that in the coming weeks. This party, this Cabinet and this House, is prepared to do that and to work closely with the partnerships.

We have taken a very direct and aggressive position on Footprints and we are hoping that common sense will prevail and we will get a comprehensive response from the two other parties so that we can get beyond some of the comments that have been made and get on with reaching a consensus to move forward, as my honourable colleague has said, in a timely and responsible way for the division of the Territories. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I apologize for the lack of clarity in who I was directing my question to. Could the Minister indicate whether there has been any further notice of any kind of replies from the other two parties in regards to Footprints 2 at this point, since last week? As the clock quickly moves on. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My understanding is that the NTI is currently in Coppermine this week and that they are going to be responding, I think, to the NIC report next week. We are still urging and, I believe I said in the House earlier this week, the Premier is urging Mr. Irwin and the department, DIAND, to give us a comprehensive response to Footprints. I am optimistic that, if we can get beyond some of the unnecessary rhetoric out there, that we can reach an arrangement or consensus, hopefully some time in February.

As I said in the House, earlier this week in response to a question, that I am hoping that will occur. Clearly, there is a need, for all parties, to put aside some of the emotion that is currently under way, recognize that each of us is an equal partner and has the right to make comment on any of the reports brought down. It seems to me to be silly to suggest that the government is not allowed to make comments, or the comments we made are irresponsible. In fact, we believe they are responsible.

We believe they are timely and, of course, they are open for discussion and we look forward to the other two responses from the other two parties and will make every effort to reach consensus and move aggressively towards implementing and pre-implementing the division of the Territories. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate whether or not the staff of GNWT working on division, whether they are continuing to proceed on all fronts, with all possible speed, and they are not sitting in neutral waiting for responses?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I want to assure my honourable colleague that we are moving aggressively. I have publicly said in this House that I am concerned about the fact that we are running out of time. One minute it is 24 months, the next minute it is 22 months, and at the end of this month, it will be 21 months. The timelines, as Mr. Picco would say, are ticking. There is clearly a need to move quickly to reach consensus on the poor framework of two new governments.

It is incumbent on myself, who has been charged with responsibility by the Premier , to coordinate our division plans to take a look, at what I believe, is a pre-implementation plan that is necessary to get on with pre-implementing division. I have said that publicly, we cannot wait until April 1, and turn on the lights. I am working, in conjunction with the Division Secretariat, in a full analysis of the Footprints in the Snow 2 report and taking a look at what we can do, within the resources that we have, to pre-implement Nunavut.

I am hoping to share that with my colleagues and with the NIC staff and their people, and anyone else who wants to take a look at it. It would be irresponsible for us not to put together some kind of fiscal management plan that compliments, if you want, the NIC report and that is something I intend at this time. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Oral questions, Mr. Barnabas .

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Question 169-13(4): New Revenue Initiatives

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Finance . Mr. Speaker, in the budget address, we learn that we have a surplus of over $8 million this year and our only means of generating revenue is through lotteries and mines in the north. My question is, has his department put up a suggestion box so that we will learn from people out there how we can generate revenue?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, no, we have not put up a suggestion box but I will ask my staff to consider it and I will ensure that it is hung in Mr. Picco 's office. Thank you.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My supplementary question is that we have learned that we have generated $20 million through arts and crafts in the north. This was killed by this government. Is he going to come up with that arts and crafts program again? Will his department come up with that program again through arts and crafts? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Sorry, Mr. Speaker. I have no clue what the honourable Member is talking about and I do not want to embarrass him, so I do not have the answer.

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Question 170-13(4): Repatriation Of Northerners From Southern Institutions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the past, I have heard the government of the Northwest Territories, the Department of Health and Social Services, speak about the repatriation of NWT residents living in southern institutions in Canada. I want to know if the Minister, the Honourable Kelvin Ng , could update the House on any progress that they have made with any initiatives in this area? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there has been some repatriation, some movement of some of our constituents from southern Canada, back to the Northwest Territories. I do not have particular details here with me, but I will get that information and provide it to the honourable Member. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, would the Minister have, even a rough idea, of how many NWT residents would be in southern Canada, in institutions, at any given time?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a very detailed question. I will commit to finding out that information and providing it to the honourable Member. Thank you.

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Question 171-13(4): Methods For The Issuance Of Contracts

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of the Department of Public Works and Services. I am not a member of the Infrastructure Committee that reviews that particular department's business plans and, therefore, I am not completely familiar with all the programs they run. I understand the department does contracts through the following areas, public tenders, sole-sourced and negotiated. I wonder if the Minister could tell me if there are any other methods by which the department issues contracts?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, 80 or 90 per cent plus of our contracts and tenders are through the public tender process. There are circumstances where we do negotiate contracts with community corporations and some businesses in the smaller communities. There is some sole-sourcing that occurs with our purchasing, et cetera. I do not have any other information on that, but I will find it and pass it on to the Member.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Eighty or 90 percent are done through public tenders. Does that mean that all of those that are issued, that those who tender on those particular contracts follow the normal tendering process, whereby the tenders are opened, publicly, and that all of the tenderers know who the successful bidder was and that they know how much the successful bid was for, Mr. Speaker?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, that is a question that does require some detailed, very technical information. There are situations where we do contracts through requests for proposals. Let me repeat that I will find that information and pass it on to the Member.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Yes, I wonder if the Minister could tell us a little more about the requests for proposals, Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, to put it very simply, a request for proposal is when the government would like a job done, but does not have all the details of how it will be done. It is a proposal call for companies to write up, not only what they would do and how much it would cost on a particular contract, but how they would come about that. That is different from a public tender call, where the government knows exactly what is to be done and approximately how much it would cost and, therefore, it is more cut and dried.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Yes, Mr. Speaker. If I understand correctly, the government does contracts through public tender, sole-sourced, negotiated, and requests for proposals. Would the Minister answer that for me?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, that is essentially correct.

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Question 172-13(4): Privatization Of Computer Services

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for Public Works , Mr. Arlooktoo . His department recently had requests for proposals on privatization of systems and computer services. I understand the Minister has made some decisions on parts of those proposals, and I was wondering if he could advise me as to some of the decisions he has made in that regard. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the government did issue a request for proposals last July, as one of its privatization initiatives, to privatize the systems and communications

section of the government. We broke the contract down to two areas, systems maintenance and computer operations. The systems maintenance contract has been awarded to Kirk Computer Systems of Yellowknife. The second request for proposal that we issued, we received three proposals. However, none of those proposals were acceptable so a contract was not awarded on that particular one.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On the proposals that were not awarded, what were the reasons given to the proponents for not awarding them? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, at this point in time, I do not know what has been communicated to the proponents of the three groups that were bidding for the contract. Until I am sure what has been communicated, I would rather not say here, at this point in time.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am quite sure the Minister and his officials have probably looked at these proposals and made the right decision. I would not want to second guess him on that regard. I would still be interested in the reasons why. I would also ask the Minister maybe if he could respond to the question of whether those proposals will be looked at again in the future for privatization, if the concerns that were brought up for not awarding it at this time, would be alleviated some time in the future. Would he consider going to privatization again? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the short answer to that would be, yes we will continue to look at options for privatization. On this particular one, at this point of time, we have decided that none of the proposals were what we were looking for so, therefore, that portion of the services will not be privatized, at this time.

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Question 173-13(4): Funding For The Western Constitutional Process

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Finance . Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of Finance if he could clarify for me his response to me yesterday in the committee of the whole as to what a million dollars was that was identified for western Arctic constitutional talks and self-government talks. I believe, that he suggested in the Hansard that this was to be in the supplementary appropriation, and I would like to know whether that is this year's supplementary or 97-98 supplementary.

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The Minister of Finance .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If my memory serves me correct, it was approved by the FMB for the 1997-98 expenditures. Thank you.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would it be then fair to say that if we spend the million dollars there will not be $8 million surplus at the end of the year?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker. The $8 million or $9 million surplus is a projected surplus based on us getting the kind of savings that we want, and the expenditures that we projected. Whether we expend a million dollars here or a million dollars there, it is only relevant in the large picture with respect to the overall fiscal position of this government. The request from aboriginal affairs is to meet the new increasing responsibilities and the discussions that are under way with respect to the self-government arrangements that are being made in the western Arctic, and we are responding to that new momentum and then initiative. Thank you.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when can we expect to see this supplementary request?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will have to take the question as notice, Mr. Speaker. This is the first one I have had to take in this session, but I will probably ... well, I will not take it as notice, because I think I am getting signals here that it will in fact be part of the overall appropriations that have to be expended in this budget, I believe, but I better check it out myself.

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Thank you. Mr. Todd . The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 174-13(4): Price Of Fuel Oil

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister responsible for petroleum, oil or POL, I guess, as we know it in the gentlemen's term out in the working world, not to say that we do not work here. I would like to know when the government made the deal with Strathcona Refineries or ESSO from getting the fuel from

Strathcona Refineries, what was the price of oil at that time. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . Mr. Kakfwi . Petroleum. No, the Member said petroleum resources.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I assume that you would recognize the question that is something that is beyond most normal people's mental recollection. It is not humanly possible to recall on a moment's notice, go back and figure out what the price of fuel was, last month, let alone a year ago.

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Thank you. The chair finds it very difficult. This is the second listing of responsibilities of Ministers that I have received in two days. Things keep changing here. I also get confused. But I believe the question was directed to the Minister of Public Works and Services . So I would like to ask the Member from Inuvik if he would redirect his question as the first question.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I apologize for not getting the terminology right. There are so many abbreviations for all the departments we have in this government. Although I do not quite agree with the response that I got from the previous Minister, but I also have a short memory, although he did not do the deals with the oil. My question would go to the Minister of Public Works and Services, and I would ask him what was the price of the oil that was purchased at the time the deal was signed? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, during the time the Member was asking the question I did go through my briefing book, but unfortunately, it is not in there. I have not been able to download it from memory so I will find it and give to the Member.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Minister can be so kind when he gets this information downloaded from the long-term memory banks that he has, if he could also download the information on the difference between the price of oil that was purchased back at that time and the price of oil today, because there is a concern of the changing oil prices. I would like to know if he could do a comparison, because they are saying now that the price of oil is going up and it is going to drive the cost of heat up. I would like to know if he could do a comparison. Thank you.

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The Minister, Mr. Arlooktoo . Again, to remind the Members that when you are asking for details, that are not within the Minister's knowledge or you know that the Minister might not be able to answer, that you put it in written form, so that you do have the appropriate Minister respond and in the appropriate manner. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, yes, I can find that information. What I do recall is that one of the reasons that we did change, or we did award the contract to that particular company was in fact the savings. It was cheaper to do it the way we did it then.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Goo Arlooktoo . There is a concern, Mr. Speaker, that has come up over the last few weeks with people who have arrears in one community, and then move to another community and have no housing available. Now when they apply for their housing, they cannot get a house because they might have had arrears in the previous community, and thus they have no place to live, and in some cases, they have had to live in tents or shacks while waiting for proper housing. Mr.

Speaker, my question is to the Minister of housing, on this policy is there any leeway in this policy on arrears, what happens when a family has arrears, it does not have a house in January, living in a tent? Maybe, the Minister could tell us the policy and explain the parameters of said policy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

I am not aware of situations where families are living in tents anywhere in the NWT because of old arrears.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I would like to thank the Minister for that clarification. Now the parameters here on the housing arrears is a delicate one. Mr. Speaker, if you do not allow someone to go into a social housing unit and then subtract the arrears that they owed previously, you will never get that money. I have seen that come up now in the past few weeks in Iqaluit with certain instances, so much I have brought to the Minister, where a person has moved to Iqaluit and has a family, has arrears in another community, and then when they go to housing they cannot get a house.

So, if they do not have a house from housing, how can they pay their arrears? So would not it be more conducive for the government to say, we will take you in the house for three months, and because that person is working now, on the basis of work or employment, then they can start paying off

the debt from before. Because if you do not put them in the house, how are you going to collect his money. I can tell you, Mr. Speaker, I do not think the Housing Corporation or the housing association is running around all over the Northwest Territories looking for people who have arrears. So, maybe, is that an opportunity for the Minister to direct his officials to look at the parameters?

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Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the local housing organization in the communities are the ones that are responsible for the collection of rents and arrears and enforcing those policies. If a community decides to make an exception, I would imagine that would be the community's choice, but you would be, I would think, setting a precedent where there are a fair number of individuals that have arrears that are paying those arrears, to pay them off and also to be eligible once again for social housing. The situation in Iqaluit that the Member brought up, I have reviewed that particular case.

I would not comment on it specifically here, but I would say that the individual will have to pay the arrears first before being considered by the housing organization.

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