Debates of Feb. 21st, 1996

This is page numbers 100 - 127 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was public .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Meeting Of Canadian Bar Association In Yellowknife

Sivuliuqtit -nunavut Management Development Program

Medevac Children From Arviat

Education Week And Congratulations To New Nwtta President

Resolutions Passed At The Lqaluit Baffin Leaders' Summit

Concerns Re Rankin Inlet As Hub For Fuel Resupply

Tribute To Bazel Jesudason

Opposition To Public Service Act Amendments

North Slave Self-government Negotiations

Opposition To GNWT Purchase Of Canarctic Shipping

Equal Representation Of All NWT Residents

Importance Of Self-government Negotiations

Tribute To Nahendeh Constituents On Receiving Commissioner's Award For Bravery At The Highest Level

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Revised Completion Time Frame For Rankin Inlet Tank Farm Project

Availability Of Report Re Transfer Of Arctic College Programs

GNWT Acceptance Of Decentralized Government Model Proposed By Nic

GNWT's Support For Inherent Right To Self-government

Hanging Ice Bison Ranch

Canarctic Shipping Contract Negotiations

Number Of Bison Shipped South

Privatization Plan For Computer Services

Construction Of Road Between Inuvik And Tuk

Cost Of Building Ice Bridge Across Slave River

Lack Of Response From Minister Re Alcohol Education Funding For High Arctic

Request For Premier To State That GNWT Represents All NWT Residents

Status Of Gwich'in And Inuvialuktun Language Programs

NTPC Process For Bidding On Contracts

Clarification Of Clause 3 Of Public Service Act

Clarification Of Relationship Between GNWT And Canarctic Shipping

Item 10: Petitions

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Service Act

To Amend Clause 4 Of Bill 2

To Amend Clause 4 Of Bill 2, CarriedCommittee Motion 2-13(2): To Amend Clause 5(1) Of Bill 2

To Amend Clause 6 Of Bill 2

To Amend Clause 9 Of Bill 2

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Revert To Item 10: Petitions

Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Service Act

Assent To Bills

Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine , Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Samuel Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 101

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Good afternoon. Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 11-13(2): Meeting Of Canadian Bar Association In Yellowknife

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 101

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the Canadian Bar Association is having its first annual meeting of council in the Northwest Territories in the 100-year history of that organization. These meetings are occurring from February 22nd through the 27th in Yellowknife. Over 200 council members and guests have registered. Lawyers and judges from all across Canada will be attending the mid-winter meeting which is being hosted by the Northwest Territories branch of the CBA. The federal Justice Minister , Alan Rock, is among those scheduled to speak to council. Council will also debate various resolutions and will hear an expert panel debating legal and constitutional questions relating to national unity.

The local organizing committee of the NWT branch of the Canadian Bar Association has been very busy for the last year and a half planning a variety of activities and actively promoting the Yellowknile meeting. When the delegates are not in meetings, they will be involved in a variety of activities including dogsled rides, ice fishing, bus tours of the city, an aurora tour at Prelude Lake Lodge and tours of the Assembly facility, the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre and local art galleries.

There will be a performance at the Northern Arts and Cultural Centre featuring noted northern performers including Tracy Riley, the Gumboots, the Chief Jimmy Bruneau School Drummers and Dancers and the Yellowknife Youth Choir.

The NWT branch of the Canadian Bar Association, and in particular recognized for the work that they put into promoting the Northwest Territories as the site for this meeting, and should be congratulated for putting together an exceptional slate of activities for delegates. I am sure that Members of this Assembly will join me in wishing all the delegates and guests very productive meetings and an interesting stay in Yellowknife and safe travel to and from their homes. Thank you.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 11-13(2): Meeting Of Canadian Bar Association In Yellowknife

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 101

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 12-13(2): Sivuliuqtit -nunavut Management Development Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 101

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the creation of the Nunavut territory is now about 36 months away. It will provide many new opportunities for Inuit to directly guide the growth and development of the new government and communities. To ensure the government of the new territory reflects the priorities of Inuit, it is essential that they hold key positions. I am pleased to inform this Assembly that Nunavut Arctic College is a partner in an initiative to train Inuit for senior management positions in Nunavut.

The three-year program is called Sivuliuqtit. Twenty participants from the Keewatin, Kitikmeot and Baffin regions are taking part. Each is training on the job with a sponsoring organization in his or her own community.

The program also includes mentoring, a distance-education component and six weeks at the Keewatin Campus of Nunavut Arctic College. The Keewatin Campus is managing the program in partnership with Radian, the business unit of the Canadian Centre for Management Development.

Mr. Speaker, I was honoured to attend the launch of the program a few weeks ago in Rankin Inlet and meet the participants. I believe that the kind of cooperation and collaboration that went into this program is essential if we are to provide the training needed to prepare the Inuit for employment in a Nunavut government and in other public I look forward to seeing the graduates of this program take their places in administering the new territory. Thank you.

---Applause and safe travel to and from their homes. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 12-13(2): Sivuliuqtit -nunavut Management Development Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 101

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 13-13(2): Medevac Children From Arviat

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have an emergency statement. During the past weekend, 18 children were sent out from the Keewatin to Manitoba because of chest infections. The health centre nurse believed that most were suffering from a croupy illness called respiratory syncytial virus, usually referred to as RSV. RSV is a common winter infection of babies that makes it hard for them to breathe. This winter it has been particularly prevalent in the Prairie Provinces, in fact Saskatchewan has hundreds of cases. Last winter, there were many cases in the northern Baffin region. The last NWT outbreak was in Sanikiluaq in 1991.

Mr. Speaker, the department will be sending an experienced medical health officer into the region tomorrow to assess the situation and to assist the health board in dealing with the matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 13-13(2): Medevac Children From Arviat

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 102

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Education Week And Congratulations To New Nwtta President

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 102

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In recognition of Education Week, which is coming up from March 16th to 22nd, I would like to take this opportunity to inform the House of the outstanding record of service from the teachers in the community of Hay River. I had research check this out for me and we have 53 public school teachers in Hay River and their accumulated years of service in Hay River is 630 years amongst 53 teachers. That speaks very well of their commitment to education arid their commitment to Hay River. So I would like to recognize them today and I would also like to offer congratulations to Ms.

Pat Thomas who is the recently newly-elected president of the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association.

---Applause

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Education Week And Congratulations To New Nwtta President

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 102

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Resolutions Passed At The Lqaluit Baffin Leaders' Summit

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 102

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Baffin Leaders' Summit met in lqaluit January 13th and 14th. As the chairperson of that meeting, I am reporting to the Assembly on our discussions. The Baffin

Leaders' Summit is composed of all MLAs and mayors of the Baffin region. The four executive members of BRIA are the three chairpersons of the regional health and education boards and the regional chamber of commerce.

During our January meeting we passed 14 resolutions which dealt with a range of topics, some of the more significant resolutions were, one, invite the Minister of DIAND to visit lqaluit, the future capital of Nunavut; two, endure the principles of our decentralized government for Nunavut based on the Iqaluit-as-capital model developed by NIC; three, pledge our cooperation and goodwill towards the leaders and residents of the Kitikmeot and Keewatin regions; four, support the maximum number of jobs in all communities of the three Nunavut regions through a highly-decentralized Nunavut government and through community transfers; five, petition the Minister of Health and Social Services to allow communities to take on the transfer of positions or programs without having to take over the entire departmental responsibilities in the communities.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to have unanimous consent to continue with my statement.

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Resolutions Passed At The Lqaluit Baffin Leaders' Summit

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Resolutions Passed At The Lqaluit Baffin Leaders' Summit

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Six, support our MP, Jack Anawak, as he works to have the federal government deliver on a 1998 commitment to provide a new hospital for the Baffin region; seven, encourage the Minister of Justice to support community justice initiatives as alternatives to expensive court circuits and correctional facilities; eight, develop community-based plans to address community wellness issues; nine, have Nunavut Arctic College develop community development training programs; 10, petition the Government of the NWT to suspend the sale of staff houses in Nunavut until a strategy is put in place to address the future staff housing needs of the Nunavut government; 11, urge Cabinet and the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment to reinstate a suitable level of funding for public service training to meet the spirit and intent of

article 23 of the Nunavut land claim agreement; 12, reform the system for providing student financial assistance in the Baffin region.

Mr. Speaker, later today, I will be tabling the resolutions passed at the Baffin Leaders' Summit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Resolutions Passed At The Lqaluit Baffin Leaders' Summit

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 102

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Concerns Re Rankin Inlet As Hub For Fuel Resupply

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 102

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, plans to change the resupply operations in the Keewatin region have been under development for the past three years. While we all agree with the need to be as efficient as possible in all government departments, including resupply, there have been a number of concerns about the government's plan to start using Rankin Inlet as a hub for fuel resupply in the Keewatin. Mr. Speaker, in response to these concerns, the Minister of Transportation and Public Works provided a briefing in Caucus this morning on resupply operations, specifically on the proposed changes in the Keewatin resupply. I would like to

thank the Minister and their staff for providing us with the detailed information on this important subject.

However, I still have some concerns in this area, Mr. Speaker. One major example is the issue of anticipated cost-savings on using Rankin Inlet as a hub for fuel resupply in the Keewatin. Mr. Speaker, when the option was first proposed, I understood the government expects to save $1.8 million per year. However, I understand the figures have changed and we are now looking at a savings of approximately $600,000 per year.

Mr. Speaker, I think we all need time to digest the information provided to us before we proceed with such a large and important project. I appreciate the assurances received from the Minister that due to other circumstances, the project will not be going ahead in time to meet the summer of 1997 deadline.

Mr. Speaker, I am sure all the Members of the House will be able to take the extra time now available to ensure that this project receives the full and careful consideration that it deserves. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Concerns Re Rankin Inlet As Hub For Fuel Resupply

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 103

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Tribute To Bazel Jesudason

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise to pay tribute to a man who was much loved and very much respected in his home of Resolute Bay, in the High Arctic, throughout the circumpolar North and indeed throughout the world. Bazel Jesudason died in Resolute Bay on August 9th of last year after a brief illness. Born in India in 1941, Bazel chose to be buried in the Arctic amongst people he loved.

Mr. Speaker, Bazel was a man well-known for his love of people and acceptance of many cultures. He spoke many languages, including Inuktitut, and was a devout Christian all his life. Bazel first came to the North in 1969 to lqaluit and then Lake Harbour as a power plant operator and mechanic. In 1970, he was transferred to Grise Fiord. It was there he met his lifetime partner, Terry DiPasquale.

Bazel had travelled extensively with Inuit on the land and decided to start his own business in tourism. In 1979, Bazel left the security of the civil service and launched High Arctic International Explorer Services Ltd in Resolute.

Starting with well-organized sled trips between Resolute and Grise Fiord, the business expanded to include a hotel which was very much a home away from home under Terry's guiding hands, and package trips were added to other High Arctic destinations including the North Pole.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my Member's statement.

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Tribute To Bazel Jesudason

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for High Arctic is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Barnabas , conclude your statement.

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Tribute To Bazel Jesudason

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Bazel become well-known worldwide for his sound advice to a wide variety of groups who planned assaults on the North Pole, whether by dogteam, snowmobile, ultra-lite aircraft, skis or on foot. Bazel often joked that he was going to be the first one to reach the North Pole by elephant.

Many major expeditions relied on Bazel for logistical advice and radio support. In the slower winter season, Bazel travelled extensively around the world giving slide shows wherever he went. He was a wonderful ambassador for the North. More than any other person, Bazel put the High Arctic on the international tourism map.

Even though he was very well known throughout the world, Bazel never lost touch with his many beloved friends and neighbours in my constituency and in the North. He involved Inuit in his business and was very happy to take them with him on some of his trips. His old friends, Pijamini from Grise Fiord and my predecessor, Mr. Ludy Pudluk's father, Mr. Kalluk, went with Bazel to Las Vegas and even to India.

Mr. Speaker, Canada and the Northwest Territories has benefitted enormously from Bazel's work in making the North accessible and friendly to all who came to explore. Bazel's efforts produced lasting benefits for the airline, communications and travel industries, and resulted in new facilities and knowledge in the North.

Beyond all this, though, it is the man we will always remember for his humanity, his humour and his joy in living. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tribute To Bazel Jesudason

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

Member's Statement On Industry's Concern With Privatization

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Tribute To Bazel Jesudason

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The honourable Mr. Don Morin announced in the Assembly on February 14th that a number of government functions will be privatized; among them, computer systems and services. A number of northern businesses currently providing these services have concerns as to how this privatization will be achieved. They believe that an open and competitive tree market provides the government with the best goods and services at the lowest prices, and wish to be consulted on the privatization plan that will be executed.

At this time, they have not been consulted and are concerned that a privatization plan may have been developed completely in house without any consultation from private companies arid industry. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tribute To Bazel Jesudason

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Opposition To Public Service Act Amendments

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I will be tabling in this House several petitions from my constituency of lqaluit and other communities in Nunavut against the amendments to the Public Service Act. Mr. Speaker, I spoke against the proposed act in this House

earlier in the week, and, Mr. Speaker, unanimous consent at that time was not there.

Mr. Speaker, I think that putting the proposed amendments to the act to the Standing Committee on Government Operations, which I have the privilege of sitting on, was the correct process. Mr. Speaker, over the past days, I've been called a unionist. Mr. Speaker, I am and I do not deny this. However, I do understand the principle of the bill and I've tried to articulate this in and out of this House.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased that the Government Operations committee had the opportunity to seek input from the two major stakeholders on this issue, and I thank all of my constituents who have phoned arid faxed me to let me know that I had their support. I would also like to thank my fellow brother and sister MLAs for their support. Thank you.

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Opposition To Public Service Act Amendments

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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North Slave Self-government Negotiations

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to tell the House that this week is one of the most important weeks for my people in my constituency. They are presently negotiating with the federal government on self- government in Rae Lakes, and I am very sorry that I cannot be there with them while the session is on here.

I wish to tell this House that I strongly support my people for all the energy, time and effort that they have put into this very important initiative. I wish them all success and I want them to know that thoughts are with them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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North Slave Self-government Negotiations

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Opposition To GNWT Purchase Of Canarctic Shipping

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon, everyone. I understand that the federal government is negotiating to transfer its ownership of Canarctic Shipping Company to the Government of the Northwest Territories, and that negotiations are well under way. I understand that a number of aboriginal development companies were approached with a proposal to buy this shipping company. It seems that none of them pursued it, and now this government itself is planning to buy the company in the hopes of finding some northern company to ultimately purchase it in the future.

Three main difficulties exist to me. If the GNWT becomes owner of Canarctic Shipping, it will probably be able to find an eventual buyer only if our government retains the inherent liabilities. This means the GNWT would relinquish control but still be exposed to financial burdens.

Under the existing shareholder's agreement, a company named FedNav retains the indefinite right of first refusal on any transfer, so there is no guarantee that after all the agreements are signed the eventual transfer to a northern company can actually take place. Canarctic Shipping is saddled with a number of liabilities which the federal government will pass on to the GNWT if we accept ownership. Some of the liabilities which have been identified to me are the following: Canarctic has already accumulated over $79 million in losses, and future operations can be considered only economically marginal at best.

There is a guaranteed floating rate credit facility with a Canadian bank for $10 million. Previous financial statements consistently show a foreign exchange loss of $500,000 every year. There exists a potential liability exposure relating to the sinking of a ship under charter with Canarctic whose case has not yet been resolved, for the amount of $5 million.

The possibility of finding a northern company to buy Canarctic is not assured. There already exists a northern aboriginal owned company, and resources in the North to encourage another company to enter this field may be limited. Thank you.

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Opposition To GNWT Purchase Of Canarctic Shipping

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Equal Representation Of All NWT Residents

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and honourable Members. In a previous statement, I spoke of coming up with a balance when it comes to representing the people of Inuvik. Mr. Speaker, I believe that we are elected to represent those who have a voice as unions do, as well as those who do not have the same voice as the unions: the elders, the children, the sick and the unemployed.

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Equal Representation Of All NWT Residents

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Some Hon. Members

Hear! Hear!

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 104

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Mr. Speaker, taking into consideration that all MLAs had input into the direction set by this government to reduce the deficit, we have to be conscious of the impact this direction will have on all the residents of the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, as I stated earlier, this government is changing the way we do business. I believe that this will be seen and everyone is going to know that what we are doing is in the best interest of all people in the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, I want to read something that I write down in my book on a daily basis. It is something I read early in the morning. It comes from the Bible; it is Proverbs,

chapter 31, verses 8 and 9: "Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly, defend the rights of the poor and needy." Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Importance Of Self-government Negotiations

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 104

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we are aware, in the last few years with regard to aboriginal communities,

self-government has been high on their agenda. We have had the opportunity to start negotiations in settlement areas, particularly in the area that I represent with the Gwich'in and Irruvialuit negotiation process.

In the last few weeks, there have been statements made regarding the Premier 's statement, as well as on events happening in this House. It is not clear how those changes will affect the aboriginal negotiations for self-government. In the past, negotiations between the Government of the Northwest Territories and the aboriginal communities have been strained with regard to the relationship between this government and the federal government. The majority of aboriginal communities are represented by band councils, as well as aboriginal groups such as the Gwich'in Tribal Council and the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation.

The current status as to the process with this new Assembly has been changed with the new Premier , Cabinet and Members of this House. There is now dialogue between the aboriginal groups and the regional summit that has been established for the aboriginal forum. In the Premier 's statement, there were no comments made about self- government and the importance of it in the North. There has been restructuring of the Aboriginal Affairs portfolio. Does that mean the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs will no longer be the key person in those discussions?

The Government of the Northwest Territories has also talked about community transfers and community empowerment. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Mackenzie Delta is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With regard to community wellness and income support, these are all initiatives that are presently being negotiated at the table between the aboriginal groups and the federal government. So the question is, does the government seriously feel these issues will be looked at through self-government negotiations or will these transfers empower the communities to take over these programs through the transfers.

Looking at the possibility of restructuring government with regard to empowering communities and transferring more initiatives to the regional governments, will that pose a problem in these negotiations? Later on, I will also be asking the Premier questions with regard to his sessional statement. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Tribute To Nahendeh Constituents On Receiving Commissioner's Award For Bravery At The Highest Level

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 105

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

On January 15th, Mr. Speaker, I had the pleasure of attending an awards ceremony in my home constituency of Fort Simpson. The Commissioner of the Northwest Territories, Helen Maksagak, hosted the awards presentation and recognized the three individuals who rescued a Fort Simpson man from certain death. Mr. Ernie Paul Isaiah and Mr. Jack Lee Mouse received the Commissioner's Award for Bravery at the Highest Level.

They were instrumental in saving Mr. Mike Cazon from a burning house in Fort Simpson, which had ultimately taken the lives of three others in September of 1993. Mr. Isaiah and Mr. Mouse were in a neighbouring house when the community fire alarm sounded. They ran to the burning building, ran inside and while searching through the smoke for residents, they discovered Mr. Cazon unconscious and pulled him into the hall. While both ran back to look for others who still may have been in danger, Mr. Loutit entered the building and helped Mr. Cazon outside. By that time the whole building was engulfed in flames and both Mr. Mouse and Mr. Isaiah had been forced to give up the search.

Although Mr. Cazon received burns to 60 per cent of his body, he is here today as a result of the heroic efforts of Mr. Ernie Paul Isaiah, Mr. Jack Lee Mouse and Mr. Ernest Wayne Loutit. I wish to acknowledge the risk that these men took with their own lives and there are many people in the North who show heroic feats and we should acknowledge them in this House. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

Just to let the Member for Nahendeh know, I believe there was a ruling in the federal Parliament and Mr. Anawak did make a statement in his mother tongue. The ruling was that you have the political right to be heard, but not understood. Mr. Antoine , you do have the right to speak in your own language in the House and it is up to the Members if they want to make a point of order regarding whether they understand Mr. Antoine or not. The rules are there for the Members. It is up to the Members to use them.

Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions.

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Further Return To Question 62-13(2): Community Wellness Worker Training Programs

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 105

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have two returns today. The first was a question asked by Mr. Erasmus on February 19, 1996, regarding community wellness worker training programs.

Mr. Speaker, a proposal for a community wellness worker training program was recently developed by Aurora Campus, Aurora College in Inuvik. Aurora Campus is currently having the proposed program content reviewed by community groups and other interested parties. If a community wellness worker training program is implemented, third-party funding will need to be identified to support the college's delivery of this program.

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Return To Question 65-13(2): Awarding Of Brush-clearing Contract At Frank's Channel

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 105

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

The second return, Mr. Speaker, it I may, is a reply to a question asked by Mr. Rabesca on February 20th, regarding the award of brush-clearing contract at Frank's Channel.

Mr. Speaker, the request for bids to conduct brush clearing along 34 kilometres of the Snare transmission line was advertised for the first time in News/North on January 29, 1996, with a closing date of February 16th.

On February 7th, the Rae band sent a fax to the Power Corporation head office in Hay River requesting the tender documents be sent by bus. The documents were sent that same day.

Two bids from qualified registered NWT businesses have been received and they are currently being evaluated. The contract has not been awarded yet. The target date for awarding a contract is February 29th.

Mr. Speaker, the process used is consistent with all Power Corporation tendering procedures. The level of security bonding requested is consistent with standard Power Corporation contract requirements. The corporation can adjust bond requirements, depending on the nature of the work. In future, contracts of this nature will be reviewed to assess the necessity of posting bonds, and tenders will be designed accordingly.

The Northwest Territories Power Corporation endeavours to increase local employment and business opportunities wherever practical and cost effective. It is committed to obtaining goods and services at the most economical rate. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 106

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mrs. Thompson .

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Return To Question 65-13(2): Awarding Of Brush-clearing Contract At Frank's Channel

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 106

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, I have three returns to oral questions. Can I read them all at once?

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Further Return To Question 59-13(2): Government Employees Attending Awg

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 106

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

I would like to make a return to an oral question asked by Jake Ootes on February 19th regarding the Arctic Winter Games.

Mr. Speaker, the following officials plan to attend the Arctic Winter Games as representatives of the Government of the Northwest Territories

I will attend, Mr. Speaker, as Minister responsible for sport and recreation. While at the games, I will attend a meeting of elected officials from all the participating units with the Arctic Winter Games International Committee. These meetings are scheduled to discuss strategic plans for the future of the Arctic Winter Games.

Also attending the Arctic Winter Games will be the Honourable Helen Maksagak, Commissioner.

Staff of the department who will attend are the deputy minister, who will attend with me the elected officials meeting and also meetings with Sport Canada officials who fund a portion of Arctic Winter Game costs; the director of the sport and recreation division will also attend, who is our representative to the Arctic Winter Games International Committee and the committee's technical director; the manager of sport programs will also attend, who is our representative for liaison purposes with the NWT Team mission staff.

Mr. Speaker, these are the government officials and staff representing the GNWT at the Arctic Winter Games. There are other Members of this Legislative Assembly and other government staff who may choose to go on their personal time and at their own expense. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Question 71-13(2): Retention Of Hamlet Budget Surplus

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 106

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a reply to an oral question asked by Mark Evaloarjuk on February 19th. Mr. Speaker, the question concerned the retention of surplus in the hamlet of Hall Beach.

Mr. Speaker, the question from Mr. Evaloarjuk was regarding the water and sewage services budget in Hall Beach. Recently, the economic rate for Hall Beach water and sewage services was raised because it was too low and there was a deficit in the program. The rate was increased to help recover that deficit. There is no surplus in Hall Beach.

Community water and sewage service rates are occasionally adjusted to reflect the costs of the program. If there is a surplus in the water and sewage services fund, the economic rate is lowered; if there is a deficit --as there is now in Hall Beach --the rate for water and sewage services must be raised. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Further Return To Question 76-13(2): GNWT Staff Dedicated To Awg Support

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 106

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

I also have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Mike Miltenberger yesterday on the GNWT staff dedicated to Arctic Winter Games support.

Mr. Speaker, the department has no positions that are responsible full time for Arctic Winter Games, Sport North, a non-government federation of territorial sport governing bodies, is responsible for overseeing the selection and participation of our NWT Team for the Arctic Winter Games, but it also has no positions dedicated full time.

Mr. Speaker, the only full-time position I am aware of is the position of 1998 Arctic Winter Games general manager. This position is a city of Yellowknife position, recently filled and with responsibility for the planning of the hosting of the next Arctic Winter Games to be held in Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 107

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Return To Question 37-13(2): Training Session For Justices Of The Peace

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 107

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is in response to a question asked by Mr. Barnabas on the 15th of February with regard to training sessions for justices of the peace.

Mr. Barnabas asked the question of whether or not the Department of Justice would be prepared to hold training sessions for justices of the peace.

Training sessions were held in September 1994 in lqaluit, and in October 1994 in Yellowknife.

Judge Bruser from the Territorial Court is currently on sabbatical leave and is currently redeveloping the justice of the peace training manual. As portions of the manual get completed, they are being used for JP training. A JP training session was offered by Judge Bruser in Yellowknife on January 26th to 28th of last month. The training module offered was the basic module, and 16 people attended the training.

A training session is now being offered by Judge Bruser in lqaluit on March 22nd to 24th. The training module offered will be the sentencing module, and it is estimated that 12 people will attend that training.

A training session is being offered by Chief Judge Halifax in Yellowknife on March 22nd to 24th. The training module offered will be the sentencing module and it is estimated that 10 people will attend that training.

We will advise Members when the training

schedule for the coming year becomes available. Thank you.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 107

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Picco .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 107

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Jeannie Areak-Kullualik of CBC North Radio, based in lqaluit.

---Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 107

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 107

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize today Mayor Jack Rowe from Hay River; Terry Camsell, the president of the Hay River Metis Nation; and, Gwen Robak-Lepine with the Metis Development Corporation in Hay River. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 107

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Barnabas .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 107

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to recognize Mr. Ron DiPasquale, of Yellowknife, Bazel Jesudason's brother-in-law. With him are Makkosan and Satomeesan, long time friends of Bazel's from Japan, who are here in Yellowknife on their way to Resolute.

---Applause

Welcome to the Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko ,

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 107

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

I would like to recognize Mr. Gary Bohnet, president of the Metis Nation and the vice-president, Mr. Mike Paulette.

---Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 107

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 107

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to acknowledge a group in the gallery. They are a group of grade 8 students from Range Lake North School and their teacher, Ms. Tina Kennedy.

---Applause

Welcome to the Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to acknowledge some scouts who are with us today as Pages. They are: Jonathan Bilodeau; Andrew Bishop; Ben Singer; Julian Morse; Zoltan Kalnay; and, Chris Mercredi.

---Applause

And one person I missed is Adam Gordon, too.

---Applause

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 107

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Hugh Lloyd, who used to be a teacher in the adult education centre in Igloolik. During a student exchange between Greenland and Baffin, he was the coordinator when we travelled to Greenland. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

Welcome to the Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 81-13(2): Revised Completion Time Frame For Rankin Inlet Tank Farm Project

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 107

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Public Works and it relates to my

Member's statement. Mr. Speaker, could the honourable Minister please confirm to this House the revised completion time frame for the Rankin Inlet tank farm project? Thank you.

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Question 81-13(2): Revised Completion Time Frame For Rankin Inlet Tank Farm Project

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 108

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Question 81-13(2): Revised Completion Time Frame For Rankin Inlet Tank Farm Project

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 108

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the original plan for the Rankin Inlet fuel terminal, as per Cabinet direction from the previous government, was that construction was to start this summer with the tank farm being in operation in June 1997. Because of a series of delays and concerns brought up by people in the communities of the Keewatin region, it is now no longer possible to get the project up and running for this summer, mainly due to time required for shipping, ordering tools, et cetera. So there is a minimum of a one-year delay on this project.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 108

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 82-13(2): Availability Of Report Re Transfer Of Arctic College Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 108

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the House on Monday, the Minister of Education said that the Lloyd report on the transfer of Arctic College programs is available to the public at Nunavut Arctic College's headquarters in lqaluit. Mr. Speaker, media and some of my constituents have requested copies of the report, but were denied by staff in lqaluit. Mr. Speaker, the Minister did assure this Member and this House that copies were available to the public. Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is why can't the public get copies of the stated report, as stated by the Minister. Thank you.

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Question 82-13(2): Availability Of Report Re Transfer Of Arctic College Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 108

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Question 82-13(2): Availability Of Report Re Transfer Of Arctic College Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 108

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member brought this to my attention last night. This morning I instructed my staff to contact the chairman of the board of Nunavut Arctic College and make sure the response to an oral question I made in this House earlier this week was true.

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Question 83-13(2): GNWT Acceptance Of Decentralized Government Model Proposed By Nic

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 108

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, at the Baffin Leaders' Summit held in lqaluit January 12 to 13, 1996, the Baffin leaders discussed and endorsed the model for a decentralized government for Nunavut: proposed by the Nunavut Implementation Commission because that model will provide the most jobs for Baffin communities outside lqaluit.

My question to the Premier is whether the Government of the Northwest Territories accepts the decentralized government model proposed by the Nunavut Implementation Commission.

The Nunavut Implementation Commission proposed the model whereby 93.5 new jobs in Igloolik would be created after Nunavut and 77 new jobs would be created in Pond Inlet. If these new positions are to be established in 1999, there will need to be houses and office space built to accommodate them. I would like to ask the Premier if this government is now planning the infrastructure necessary to support these new jobs in Pond Inlet and Igloolik. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 108

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Samuel Gargan

Premier of the Northwest Territories, Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 108

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Government of the Northwest Territories supports the main principles as outlined in the NIC model. They have mentioned many times in this House stressing government at the community level, as well as distributing new jobs through the regions and communities and decentralization where practical, with due regard to costs. We do have a deficit and we have to take costs into consideration at all times. We do not wish to be locked into endorsing all particulars of the NIC model. I note that the Baffin Leaders' Summit endorsed it.

It is important for us to keep flexibility in the planning process. We are in a changing environment. Our government is confronted with serious fiscal constraints and discussions with the federal government on incremental funding for division are far from being completed. We have initiated those discussions. I talked to Mr. Irwin about this in January. Our officials are working on them as of today.

I would note, however, that the GNWT has done infrastructure costing for the NIC based upon the NIC model of government organization. This information was included in a supplementary report that NIC issued. Basically, on planning for jobs in Igloolik and Pond Inlet and building of office space and houses, we can't proceed until the federal government comes up with the cash. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Premier tell this House whether the federal government has accepted the decentralized government model as

recommended by the Nunavut Implementation Commission? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that the federal government is best able to speak for itself as to the position of various issues; however, I would like to make the following comments. First, the GNWT officials have had some discussions with the federal officials on the federal approach to division. Second, the key question is probably the amount of funding that will be made available for division between now and 1999. It is our understanding that the federal government is basing its process for the establishment of Nunavut on the NIC model.

It is my understanding that this would be establishing available funding levels, without locking us into acceptance of all details of that model. With that, thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 84-13(2): GNWT's Support For Inherent Right To Self-government

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 109

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier , Mr. Donnie Morin. In the Premier 's statement last week, he spoke about developing a good working relationship with western aboriginal leaders. I'm very pleased and thank him for taking that initiative. However, there is not one word in the statement about something that is currently important to the Gwich'in leaders in my riding and also western groups down the valley. Does the government endorse the principle of the inherent right to self-government?

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Samuel Gargan

Premier of the Northwest Territories, Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 109

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the very first things we did as a government was meet with the Aboriginal Summit in the Western Arctic. We have talked to them and offered our support on aboriginal self-government. At one of our first meetings with the members of the Aboriginal Summit, they made it very clear that the implementing of inherent rights is one of their major priorities, and we agreed with them that we would work with them to make sure that that happens and that this government fully supports their inherent right to self-government.

Earlier this month, the government and the Legislative Assembly announced its vision and the priorities for the next three years leading up to division. One of the priorities that we have adopted as a government is to take aboriginal rights, treaty rights, aboriginal concerns and views into account, and to move forward with a meaningful self-government agenda that is based both on recognition of inherent right and on public government and self-government models for the rationalization of delivery of services.

We, as a government, also have contributed $50,000 to the Sahtu Secretariat to assist in the Self-government Forum '96 to be held in April. The government has contributed an additional $48,500 to the Aboriginal Summit to enable it to prepare materials and possible linkages between aboriginal government and public government for the use of the Self-government Forum '96. The GNWT will use the results of the conference to finalize its approaches to self-government so that our negotiators can participate in a more effective way in the decisions.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, my government remains committed to the development of new relationships with the members of the Aboriginal Summit, and is willing to discuss with the summit a protocol to formalize meetings and for the Aboriginal Summit to meet with Cabinet. I feel quite confident that the Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs , Mr. Jim Antoine , will work with the Aboriginal Summit to get signatures to that protocol.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, yes, this government does support the inherent right to self-government.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is also a lot about empowering communities in the Premier 's statement, but there's not one word with regard to regional governments. Most of the aboriginal groups, including Gwich'in, are seriously looking at forming self-governments that have regional as well as community powers. Does the government endorse forms of self-government that include regional and tribal governments as well as community governments?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 109

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The government has not finalized the policy on self-government, including taking a position on what should be the purpose and the scope of regional government institutions. Government will await the results of the Forum '96 conference before it formulates any self-government policies. When we met with the Aboriginal Summit -- I believe it was last month -- they raised that concern at that time, that we shouldn't be developing policies without their input on aboriginal self government or regional government. So we are going to wait and work with them leading up to that forum.

There are some sources we can look at for guidance in getting to that end result, Mr. Speaker. The general consensus from the CDSC constitutional conference in 1995 concluded that the government must be the basis of any new structure. The community must be a basis of any new structure of government. All four levels of government --community, aboriginal, regional and central --are necessary. There is a need for a central government that is community driven. Communities should have the power to form regional and district governments.

While the primary focus of self government will be shifting the power to the communities, there will clearly be a role for regional institutions, particularly suggesting that certain decisions should be made and programs and services delivered at a regional level. I am confident that self-government negotiations will determine the appropriate division of governmental authority and responsibility within the regions. With that, thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A clear statement from this government endorsing regional governments, at least the principle, would go a long way towards improving relationships between the western aboriginal leaders and this government. When can I expect to hear such a statement from this government in this House?

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. As I mentioned earlier, we are working with the Aboriginal Summit and we are working up to Forum '96 that will be held in the latter part of April or early May. Hopefully out of that, there will be some very clear direction of where we're going to go in the 1990s with our aboriginal partners to establish a new Western Territory. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 85-13(2): Hanging Ice Bison Ranch

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 110

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Renewable Resources and it's with regard to the Hanging Ice Bison Ranch. While I must acknowledge the one thing of substance the government left us was a substantial pile of buffalo chips and buffalo pies...

---Laughter

... there was not much else. I would like to ask the Minister if he would provide to me or to this House a copy of the proposal from the Fort Resolution people, the FMB submission approving the request and the contract between the GNWT, Fort Resolution people and the private investor, outlining the conditions of the grant of $1.3 million worth of bison that were taken from Fort Smith. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I will take the question as notice. I'm not sure if he has all his figures right, so I need to review what the Member has said and see if it is something that we should respond to. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 86-13(2): Canarctic Shipping Contract Negotiations

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 110

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question relates to dollars, as usual, and I think we're all concerned about that area these days. My question is for the Minister of Transportation , with regard to the contract that is being negotiated regarding Canarctic Shipping. I wonder if the Minister would commit to keep the Members of this House informed as to the progress of negotiations and the details of those negotiations. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 110

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I said a couple of days ago to another Member's question that at the present time there are no negotiations of any kind in terms of dollars or anything with this Canarctic Shipping Company. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 87-13(2): Number Of Bison Shipped South

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 110

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Renewable Resources who I hope is not just trying to give me the shuffle, so I'll ask him a very specific question. Can he tell me or this House how many bison are going to be allowed to be shipped straight south without touching ground in Fort Resolution, in order that the investor may recoup its investment? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Page 110

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I will take the question as notice to give the Member the exact number of bison and perhaps even the age and the sex of the creatures. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 88-13(2): Privatization Plan For Computer Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 110

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Public Works and Services . Has the privatization plan for computers systems and services, been developed, and, if so, what information or consultation with local businesses was used in the development of this plan?

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Page 110

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is true, last week the Premier did announce that the government will be privatizing the computer services function of the Government of the Northwest Territories, partly in response to

industry's request and the fact that they have been saying they can do it better and cheaper.

At this time, the different government departments are looking at what needs they have in the area of computer services, what they do now. Coming out of that will be implementation plans, and during that time there will be information gathering from different areas of the community, including industry. They will be consulted.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Steen .

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Question 89-13(2): Construction Of Road Between Inuvik And Tuk

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 111

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, before the Christmas break in the December sitting of this House, I asked a question to the Minister of Transportation as to whether or not he would consider undertaking pooling the transportation infrastructure between Tuk and Inuvik as a way of improving the economic conditions in my region. Mr. Speaker, shortly after I got home after the House adjourned, my community received two dogteams from Economic Development. I spent a few days convincing people that I did not think the request had any relation to what we received from the government.

Yesterday, I received a response from the Minister of Transportation as to possibly doing something with this request I had put forward to him. Mr. Speaker, the Minister indicated that it's $160 million, a rough estimate, to build a road between Inuvik and Tuk. Mr. Speaker, I'm beginning to wonder who was serious here, whether it was the person who was questioning me about the dogteams or whether it was the Minister, because I really think that these figures put forward are discouraging figures, rather than encouraging.

I believe, as many people in my community believe, that Economic Development projects could be undertaken which could be productive in the sense that we would undertake constructing this road or at least starting on construction of this road. We cannot do it alone, Mr. Speaker. We need assistance from Economic Development and the Minister of Transportation , in particular, for the process of the road to proceed.

Mr. Speaker, as well in the letter I received, the Minister stated that it is a federal responsibility. Mr. Speaker, I have noticed that in the past couple of months this government has taken on a lot of federal responsibilities that they were not really entitled to, I think. I would like to address my question to the Minister of Transportation . Would he seriously consider again undertaking this project as a way of improving the economic development situation, both in my community and in Inuvik? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 111

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Page 111

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the honourable Member for Nunakput for his concerns with regard to transportation linkage between Inuvik and Tuk. He has raised this issue with me before, and I think it's a good initiative for his part of the area. The department experts have looked at this

section of the road that is being proposed, and with their best estimates, the figure --as Mr. Steen stated - was roughly $160 million to build such a road. On the other hand, it is correct that the federal government is responsible for all new roads in the Northwest Territories. This being a new road, it fits under their mandate. This is one of the areas that the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs has the task, has no money and has nobody running that program for them.

Until the federal government decides to spend more money on their infrastructure development in Canada, only then will we have a chance to get some money from the federal government for new roads. On the other hand, the federal government is also looking for places where there could be some programs for employment development. Perhaps that might be an area to seek it out. But at the present time, the Department of Transportation, as everybody in this House knows, is going through a business planning process and we have been asked to look at reducing how much is in this budget already.

By adding a project of that significance, it is difficult. On the other hand, I have no problems in looking into a joint venture project at the same time as making cuts in different areas. We also have to look at what we can do to enhance economic development in different areas. Perhaps this would be one area to look at. I will seriously consider such a proposal perhaps once the Member puts forward a good proposal. Maybe we can talk about it. That is what we are here for: to look at what we can do to develop the North. Mahsi.

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Page 111

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Samuel Gargan

Just to remind the Members, try to keep your

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Page 111

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Renewable Resources . As he is checking his figures to facilitate providing some information that should be made public, and as he is checking the age and sex of the buffalo -- I am not sure whether he means their sexual orientation or not -- would he also be kind enough to give this House the cost of the ice road that was built across the Slave River into the Hanging Ice Bison Ranch, breaking down the equipment, staff time, regular hours, overtime and use of casuals? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, that was a long

preamble. I didn't get the question at all. I will have to ask the Member to clarify what it is he is asking me to provide.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 90-13(2): Cost Of Building Ice Bridge Across Slave River

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 111

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will speak slowly and clearly. Could the Minister please provide, along with the other information that he is checking into, the cost of the ice road into the Hanging Ice Bison Ranch that was built across the Slave River, using highway staff, Renewable Resources staff and give me a break down of the equipment

costs, staff costs, regular hours, overtime and use of casuals. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 112

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, it might take a few days, but I would be prepared to try to provide the Member with that information. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Barnabas .

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Question 91-13(2): Lack Of Response From Minister Re Alcohol Education Funding For High Arctic

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 112

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question to the Minister of Health and Social Services and Housing . I have a question regarding funding for alcohol and education programs. Why hasn't his department responded to the letters that were sent from my constituency --from Arctic Bay and Resolute --requesting funding for these programs? This program is being funded by the hamlet and it is getting to the point where it is accumulating a deficit for the hamlet. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 112

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Page 112

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The honourable Member pointed out the situation with respect to one of the communities to me yesterday. I will find out the status of the request and get back to the Member on that. Thank you.

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Page 112

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 92-13(2): Request For Premier To State That GNWT Represents All NWT Residents

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 112

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like the Premier to state clearly in this House that this government that sits here today represents all citizens of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 112

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Premier of the Northwest Territories, Mr. Morin .

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Page 112

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I completely agree with the Member, we do represent all citizens of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Page 112

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 93-13(2): Status Of Gwich'in And Inuvialuktun Language Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 112

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment with regard to aboriginal languages, especially in the Mackenzie Delta with the Gwich'in language program and also the Inuvialuktun language. Are there any attempts made to cut these languages because of the present financial statement we are in?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the Member knows, we are currently in the process of reviewing our budgets and planning for the 1996-97 fiscal year. While I can't be very specific about what is in those budgets because they are still in a draft stage, I can tell the Member that the official languages programs are recognized to have taken a major cut in the current year we are in because of the reduction that this government saw from the federal government's contribution for official languages. Our goal is to avoid, as much as possible, any further reductions in the coming years.

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Page 112

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I question this initiative because when I got into this House, I received a lot of phone calls from my constituency with regard to the Gwich'in language program which was being run out of this Legislature. I was told to save money, we were going to cut out that program and those dollars were going to be spent in the communities. Being told that and arguing the point, I was told by constituents that these languages and the programs that were delivered through this House regarding the translation were important to my constituents.

If that is the case, I have made an attempt to save this government money by doing away with the language program out of this House regarding the Gwich'in translators who were here in the past and who aren't here today. That way, they could continue their work in the communities. Was that the game plan all along or not?

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Page 112

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 112

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment is not responsible for providing the translation services in this House. That comes in with the budget of the Legislative Assembly. I can't respond to questions about changes that are made at the Legislative Assembly. I can tell the Member that Education, Culture and Employment's goal is,

with the program funds we have available, to try to significantly involve the language groups in determining how those programs are delivered. I will be discussing with the Standing Committee on Social Programs in the very near future a review of how language programming is delivered and making some recommendations about how we can change that and move the services closer to the people in the communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 113

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 113

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

My supplementary is with regard to fairness. As you know, the seven official languages includes all the aboriginal languages and French, which you see in the newspapers. A lot of dollars and resources are spent in the area of the Francophone community which is a small group versus the aboriginal majority in the North. To be fair, there should be a fair allocation based on population. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 113

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, almost all of the French language information the Member sees has been paid for by the federal government. The program is largely funded, to the tune of $18 million over three years, including this year, by the federal government. In the agreement, they have called many of the shots as to where the funding is spent. I just want to remind all Members of this House that that program saw significant reductions from the previous three-year agreement. It was $38 million.

So there is no question that we are under pressure to continue to deliver services, while having received a significant decrease in the amount of funding we get from the federal government.

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Page 113

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Rabesca .

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Question 94-13(2): NTPC Process For Bidding On Contracts

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 113

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Based on the response from the Minister of the Northwest Territories Power Corporation, Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister if the process to bid on the contract to do brush clearing would be the same as to build a hydro dam. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 113

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Dent .

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