Debates of March 12th, 2014

This is page numbers 4379 – 4414 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was thence .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Recognizing Employees’ Contributions To Devolution

Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

Arctic Winter Games

Aboriginal Languages Month

Achieving Devolution

2014 Arctic Winter Games

Deline Community Self-Government Agreement

Investments In Highway No. 7

Post-Secondary Achievement Among Aboriginal Youth

Concerns About Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

Power Rates In Yellowknife

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recruitment Of Health Care Professionals

Licenced Practical Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

Financial Impact Of Junior Kindergarten Program

Educational Achievement Of Aboriginal Youth

Addressing Rising Energy Costs

Concerns Related To Hydraulic Fracturing

Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

Deline Community Self-Government Agreement

Incidence Of Diabetes And Pre-Diabetes

Sahtu Land Claim Agreements

Property Damage Resulting From Power Outage In Yellowknife

Recruitment Of Health Care Professionals

Written Question 15-17(5): Compliance With Income Support Guidelines

Written Question 16-17(5):TH

Assembly Direct Appointments

Petition 3-17(5): Referral Of Hydraulic Fracturing Applications

Tabled Document 69-17(5): List Of Inter-Activity Transfers Exceeding $250,000 For The Period April 1 - December 31, 2013

Tabled Document 70-17(5): Screenshot Image From Department Of Health And Social Services Career Website

Tabled Document 71-17(5): Petition For Vote On Fracking From Sahtu Residents

Tabled Document 72-17(5): March 11, 2014, Letter From Itai Katz Of Tsiigehtchic To Premier Mcleod

Bill 24:

An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act

Bill 25:

An Act To Amend The Education Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Amendment To Appendix, Items 11 And 13

Amendment To Appendix, Items 11 To 19

Recorded Vote

Report of Committee of the Whole

Bill 4: Health Information Act

Bill 10: Northwest Territories Lands Act

Bill 11: Petroleum Resources Act

Bill 13: Devolution Measures Act

Bill 14: Waters Act

Bill 15: Oil And Gas Operations Act

Bill 16: Northwest Territories Intergovernmental Agreement On Lands And Resources Management Act

Bill 17: Northwest Territories Intergovernmental Resources Revenue Sharing Agreement Act

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:31 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 57-17(5): Recognizing Employees’ Contributions To Devolution

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, in a little more than two weeks, the Government and Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories will be taking on new responsibilities for public lands, water and resources. For the first time, Northerners will be able to pass laws and make their own decisions about how our environment is managed and protected and our resources are developed. As we have acknowledged many times in this House, this is an historic occasion in the ongoing evolution of this territory.

We sometimes forget, Mr. Speaker, that history does not just happen, history is made. As we open an important new

chapter in the history of the Northwest Territories, I would like to recognize the many hardworking public servants who have made that possible, and so made themselves a part of the story of our territory. We would not be where we are today without the commitment, dedication and efforts of these employees who have spent many years, in some cases, advancing the cause of devolution.

Today we are joined by many of those employees in the visitors gallery, and on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories, I want to thank you all.

---Applause

We have been well served by your efforts and your commitment to our future.

In addition to core staff, many other employees in departments have supported devolution implementation work, and my thanks goes out to them as well. It has truly been a team effort and

one where each person has played a critical role in achieving our overall goal.

Many Government of the Northwest Territories employees not directly involved in devolution implementation planning have also played an important role by supporting their colleagues who were more closely involved. They have kept the home fires burning, Mr. Speaker, and we are appreciative of their commitment as well.

Almost a year ago, we set up, with our devolution partners, 14 working groups to guide the work necessary to bring devolution to the Northwest Territories. Those working groups included 85 Government of the Northwest Territories staff, working either full time or part time on this project.

Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories has never undertaken a project of this magnitude. It has only been achieved because of outstanding leadership, great dedication and a lot of determination. The success of our implementation planning speaks to our ability as a jurisdiction overall to manage our own affairs, to be responsible decision-makers and to serve the people of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, the hard work of devolution negotiations is behind us, the hard work of implementation planning is almost behind us as well. What is in front of us, Mr. Speaker, is the future, a prosperous future, and we have our dedicated employees to thank for that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 57-17(5): Recognizing Employees’ Contributions To Devolution

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Minister's Statement 58-17(5): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

Ministers’ Statements

Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, in early January 2014, the construction of the Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk highway was officially started.

This is an important first step to realizing the long-term goal of an all-weather road through the Mackenzie Valley. This is the largest and one of the most challenging infrastructure developments ever undertaken by the Government of the Northwest Territories. It is a strategic infrastructure investment

that will strengthen and diversify our economy and is a priority of the 17th Legislative Assembly.

The project will improve the quality of life for community residents by providing enhanced economic and social opportunities, enabling economic development and strengthening our country’s claim to Arctic sovereignty.

Mr. Speaker, the Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk highway will be built on an alluvial deposit that is ice-rich with continuous permafrost, a terrain no other highway in the world has been constructed over. The design and planning has been undertaken by a team of experts, including world-renowned engineers and permafrost scientists. The nature of the project presents risks that are a challenge to manage. The department has taken the steps necessary to ensure the project is delivered in a manner that addresses the concerns, expectations and requirements of all parties involved.

Mr. Speaker, we have made significant progress. The department has obtained all required permits and authorizations, completed land and royalty negotiations, entered into the federal funding agreement and finalized the project design. We have done additional work on project risks, project management structure and communications, including the launch of a dedicated website to keep the public updated.

Mr. Speaker, steps have been taken to ensure the project can be delivered within the available budget of $299 million. The new highway has been procured within a single design-build contract. This has brought unit prices down and ensures appropriate risk-sharing related to the design.

In addition, EGT Northwind, the project company, has demonstrated its commitment to maximizing local involvement by engaging businesses or employing residents from all regions of the NWT. Mr. Speaker, it is estimated that up to 600 people will be employed during the peak of the highway construction.

The contractor has already trained 38 individuals on different types of equipment using a simulator. Two additional driver-training classes are planned for the near future. Already, five graduates of a Class 1 driver licence with air brakes training program completed in Inuvik in November have received employment offers. In addition, a training program for wildlife monitors was delivered recently in Inuvik, Tuktoyaktuk and Aklavik.

Mr. Speaker, we are excited to have officially launched the Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project after investing a substantial amount of time and planning effort to bring the project to this important, defining moment in northern history. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 58-17(5): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. R.C. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 59-17(5): Arctic Winter Games

Ministers’ Statements

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to recognize the athletes, coaches, cultural delegates and mission staff who will be representing the Northwest Territories at the 2014 Arctic Winter Games in Fairbanks later this month.

This year, Team NWT will include 365 participants representing over half of NWT communities competing in 19 different sports and the Games’ cultural program.

The Arctic Winter Games are the largest and most important multisport cultural event held in the circumpolar North. There are nearly 2,000 athletes, cultural performers and community volunteers from nine contingents representing seven countries in the Games.

The Arctic Winter Games are successful because they include a program that combines athletic competition, cultural exchange and social interaction among circumpolar participants.

The Government of the Northwest Territories is extremely proud to support our team at the Arctic Winter Games through direct financial sponsorship and a range of other programs that support athlete, coach and officials’ development at the local, regional, territorial and national levels.

Mr. Speaker, I also want to recognize the many volunteers who help Team NWT, including the Sport North Federation and all of the territorial sport organizations who select and manage the team. Their contributions are significant and play an important

part in promoting healthy lifestyles and vibrant communities in the Northwest Territories.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I also want to recognize some important volunteers and local government members from Inuvik, Hay River and Fort Smith who will be at the 2014 Games in Fairbanks preparing for their opportunity to bid on the 2018 Games being held in the NWT. This will be the first time in 40 years that one of our communities outside Yellowknife has hosted the Arctic Winter Games.

I know that the bidding process will be competitive and that all three communities have significant benefits to offer the games. Our best wishes go out to all of them. The Arctic Winter Games International Committee will announce the successful bid next year.

I would like to take this opportunity to wish all of our athletes, coaches, volunteers and cultural delegates a fun and rewarding experience at the Arctic Winter Games. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 59-17(5): Arctic Winter Games

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Aboriginal Languages Month

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This month we celebrate Aboriginal languages. Last year I had the pleasure of addressing the House in the Tlicho language. This year, Mr. Speaker, it will be my honour to pay tribute to the South Slavey language.

---Applause

Thanks. There’s more.

---Laughter

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take a moment to thank my teacher, who is also a translator here for the House, for helping me. That’s Mr. Jim Hope. Mr. Hope, mahsi.

Once again, a big thank you to the South Slavey culture for letting me share their language today. It was an honour and a lot of fun. Thank you very much.

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Aboriginal Languages Month

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Achieving Devolution

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did not come here today with a prepared text, so I hope that I will do this justice in the company of these folks who have been so helpful and so instrumental on the devolution file. I also wanted to pay tribute to our government. I’ve said it in the House a few times before, so forgive me if I’m repetitive.

I have served under the leadership of six Premiers in my almost 20 years in this Legislature. Prior to even being elected to this House, I think I was involved in every constitutional and devolution commission and committee that there was out there that tried to solicit the input of people. I will never forget the frustration as I often walked away from those meetings going, how are we going to get there? How are we going to reach our aspirations for devolution in this territory?

There are so many diverse groups, diverse regions, diverse stages of political development, settled claims, unsettled claims, very prominent governments that we associate with as Aboriginal

governments all very established with aspirations of their own in their own right.

Floyd Roland, Premier Floyd Roland at the time, with some criticism got the ball rolling. Behind him as our Government Leader came Premier Bob McLeod . I didn’t know Premier McLeod very well at the time. I often say he is the most understated overachiever that I have ever met, because when you talk to him and you meet him, you’re not going to get the full picture at first blush.

But, Mr. Speaker, we have accomplished a good thing here with the help of the folks who have been recognized here in our visitors gallery today. I would like to take this opportunity for all the Cabinet Ministers who have had a hand in this during this 17th Assembly and for the right combination of

leadership that we found in the Premier we have now. He spoke the language of the bureaucracy, he knew that well from his many, many years of public service in our government, but he also spoke the language of the elected leaders, whether it be from the Prime Minister’s office to the Aboriginal leaders.

The work is not all done, it’s maybe not perfect, but it’s a tremendous accomplishment and I want to take this opportunity today to thank the Cabinet and the leadership in that Cabinet, Premier Bob McLeod . Thank you.

---Applause

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Achieving Devolution

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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2014 Arctic Winter Games

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During the week of March 15th to the 22nd , athletes, coaches,

volunteers, youth ambassadors, cultural delegates, territorial officials and leaders as well as parents from throughout the Northwest Territories will embark on the city of Fairbanks, Alaska, and participate in the 2014 Arctic Winter Games.

The Arctic Winter Games is a high profile circumpolar sport competition for northern and Arctic athletes. The Games provide an opportunity to strengthen sports development in the participants’ jurisdictions, to promote the benefits of sport, to build partnerships and promote culture and values. The Games provide an opportunity for developing athletes to celebrate sport and compete in friendly competition while sharing cultural values from northern regions around the world, and continue to be a positive influence for athletes, their families and the communities from which they come.

The goals of the Arctic Winter Games are the spirit of fair play, competition, inclusion and development. They also enhance self-esteem and promote growth and personal outlooks, promote socialization and cultural awareness, promote

positive experiences and personal benefits. They provide health and social opportunities and promote a sense of belonging and strengthen community ties.

At this time I would like to take the opportunity to wish all athletes and coaches the best of luck. Your hard work, long practices, commitment and dedication will be put to the test at the highest level from regions in the circumpolar world.

To all who are attending, I am confident that you will be excellent ambassadors and represent the Northwest Territories very well. I encourage you to try your best in your sport, but most of all, have fun.

As a past athlete and mission staff, I’d like to also thank the Sport North staff and their volunteers, and to all those that are travelling, safe travels. Along with Minister McLeod I would also like to say, Go Team NWT! Thank you.

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2014 Arctic Winter Games

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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2014 Arctic Winter Games

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This weekend NWT youth, their coaches and chaperones will have packed their bags. They will gather their sports equipment and board planes to travel to Fairbanks, Alaska, for the 2014 Arctic Winter Games. This event, held every two years in the circumpolar region, is the Olympics of the North and it’s a big deal for NWT people.

The focus of the Arctic Winter Games is still the same today as it was in 1970 and I want to quote from the Sport North website, it is, “to involve as many athletes as possible either in the Games themselves or in the team trials, and to provide a forum of competition for those other than elite athletes with competitive opportunities in the south.”

For the last several years, thousands of NWT young people have been learning new skills, training hard to get and stay in shape, and practicing their sport in preparation for next week’s competitions. Involvement in sport or other recreation activities can have a profound effect on young people and it’s well known that they benefit mentally, psychologically, physically and economically from being active. Youth who are physically active are far healthier than those who are not. They generally live a healthier lifestyle, are less likely to abuse alcohol or drugs and often do better in school.

Life lessons are learned through competitive physical activity, lessons which have a positive impact on the developing character of a young person.

I have a love of and for sport. It’s given me many opportunities I would not otherwise have had. It’s enriched my life through relationships and unique experiences. The young people who have

participated in the Arctic Winter Games experience to date, through local trials and team selections, regional competitions and territorial competitions, have already benefitted from this year’s Arctic Winter Games. For those who were not successful in making Team NWT this year I say, stay in shape, keep training and try again for 2016; it’s only two years away.

The members of our 2014 Arctic Winter Games Team NWT are varied: athletes, coaches, cultural performers, mission staff, chaperones, parents and other supporters like parent organizers of charters. Frame Lake has great representation on the 2014 Arctic Winter Games Team and I would like to name them. I might go a little over, Mr. Speaker, if you’ll give me that indulgence.

Walker Adjun, Anika Allain, Simon Arlootook-Zoe, Victoria Brenton, Philip Careen, Rachel Cluderay, Earle Dakota, Michael Doyle, Justin Doyle, Torin Dowe, Gavin Dwyer, Nichole Enge, William Ewen, Mackenzie Hotte-Joyce, Madison James, Carson James, Braden Johnson, Cassandra Kaminski, Megan Lafferty, Emily Paddock, Sam Porter-Kameemalik, Annmarie Senhouse, Zachery Whalen and, last but not least, Drew Williams.

To all of you going to the Games, do your best, that’s all we can ask of you. Win or lose, you will have gained tremendously and we will be proud of you. Again, Go NWT Team, Go!

---Applause

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2014 Arctic Winter Games

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Deline Community Self-Government Agreement

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We can literally say a new government may be born tonight. Deline may become the first community self-government ever. Deline is known as the birthplace of ice hockey in Canada, now it may also be known as the birthplace of community governance.

This agreement was negotiated by those who moved forward, so we sit on the edge of our seats to see if 18 years of hard work by so many will be recognized tonight.

Deline has a vision, a plan, backed by their elders, encouraged by all the leaders to move forward. This community of Deline, in the Sahtu, was not built by those who waited and rested and wished to look behind them. This community was inspired to move, and move they did.

It is said that all great and honourable actions are accomplished with great difficulty and both must be worked on and overcome with answerable courage.

Those who came before us made certain that our land, that our culture, our traditions will withhold the waves of changes over time, and that we, as people, will be given the right to have and choose our own government. It is up to the people in Deline to honour those before them to exercise this right, for the eyes of the North are on them today.

What a privilege for the people to make history today. I say to the people of Deline, this is your day to choose what is right for you. This is your responsibility. For many years your negotiators, leaders and elders worked for you, now it’s your job to lift the last pound, walk the last mile. Only you can do this by voting today.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Deline Community Self-Government Agreement

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Many years ago great leaders in Deline knew of this time and now we are watching as it unfolds right in front of our eyes today. A nation is ready to be born. Through our land claims we negotiated the first step. The second step of our land claims

chapter was to negotiate our own government. Bring it home.

Self-government is all about honouring our ancestors and their words. Today, people in Deline, make your mark.

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Deline Community Self-Government Agreement

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Investments In Highway No. 7

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This six-week budget session would not be complete without me repeating my two favourite words: Highway 7.

The recent federal budget just gave this topic further mileage. The federal government has renewed funding with the new Building Canada Plan in this year’s budget and the Department of Transportation’s Corridors for Canada III plan is part of the new Building Canada Plan, this country’s longest and largest infrastructure plan ever. The Northwest Territories will be getting a small fraction of the $53 billion, and we need a plan to repair the fractured highways of Nahendeh and our NWT.

Highway No. 7 is a key transportation corridor to our Northwest Territories. Last June the Department of Transportation earmarked $3 million for the rehabilitation of Highway No. 7. It’s a drop in the bucket, or should I say a drop in the pothole, for a highway that was not properly designed to withstand the frequent heavy loads transported year round through the region, but it’s something. We need more in the years to come.

The Prairie Creek Mine uses Highway No. 7 to access its work sites, transport personnel and

goods, and meet other industrial needs. Additional roadwork is also much needed with the chipsealing of Highway No. 1 and the repairs towards Wrigley.

Industry and our tourists are strongly urging the Northwest Territories to make major investments in Highway No. 7. Spring is coming, and this highway should be at the top of the Department of Transportation’s list of priorities. Investments in Highway No. 7 are as important as any highway investment we can make, and we’re smart to put our share of federal funding there.

Many Northerners agree, we need a highway all the way up the Mackenzie Valley, and Highway No. 7 would be an integral part of that road system as we move goods through northern BC. We have more resources today than ever before to design highways that need essential geometric and strength criteria. Investments we make in the existing highways through Corridors for Canada to lay the groundwork for future infrastructure and the opportunities that it will bring. No multi-billion dollar infrastructure plan in this country would be complete without Highway No. 7.

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Investments In Highway No. 7

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Post-Secondary Achievement Among Aboriginal Youth

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. To have a real shot at success in university or college, Aboriginal youth need financial aid that matches the real costs of education. They also need transitional supports because they confront barriers at every turn.

The rate of post-secondary obtained is considerably lower than their non-Aboriginal counterparts. Only four in 10 Aboriginal students in the NWT complete high school. Lackluster school performance haunts them for life. For example, Aboriginal people are not fairly represented in the GNWT because they often don’t have the right kind of educational credentials. There are exceptions, of course, like constituent Kathleen Graham who earned a master’s degree, but as a rule Aboriginal students don’t achieve on this scale.

Small community schools pose especially steep obstacles because high school diplomas don’t always reach an academic level that gets students into university or college. Other barriers are more subtle, such as mistrust in mainstream institutions and reluctance to leave the home community.

As well, without strong ties in the local band, the student may not be selected for funding and band-distributed funding isn’t guaranteed for the length of the program. Then there’s the clean-cut relationship between parents’ post-secondary attainment and their children’s. Here, Aboriginal youth are at a disadvantage.

To upgrade and qualify for a post-secondary program, the standard route is the ALBE program, but ALBE students aren’t eligible for student financial assistance. Admittedly, our Student Financial Assistance program is quite generous, but there is always a gap between what a student can access through financial aid and the real costs of education.

After factoring in tuition, books and living expenses, costs run upwards of $20,000 a year. Add a child into the equation and the figure runs closer to $30,000 a year. Most Aboriginal families don’t have enough discretionary income to make up the difference. For this reason, Aboriginal students are more likely to resort to big bank loans.

Working part time is another way to close that gap. This is more bad news, Mr. Speaker. Mixing schoolwork and paid work has a clear-cut negative effect on grades. The status quo is not a recipe for success. A revamped approach is required if we’re going to leverage the full potential of our youth. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Post-Secondary Achievement Among Aboriginal Youth

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Concerns About Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There can be no doubt that the people of the Northwest Territories are concerned about fracking. Later today I will table a petition with close to 800 signatures from people in the Sahtu and people across the Northwest Territories expressing concern about fracking and insisting that this government exert its authority to refer future applications to a full environmental statement.

The stated reasons for their concerns include:

1. Horizontal hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, is

new to the NWT and is clearly controversial. It is banned or under moratorium in many places in the world.

2. Fracking permanently contaminates very large

volumes of freshwater. This does not match the NWT Water Stewardship Strategy.

3. In other places, fracking brought lots of outside

workers; alcohol, illegal drugs and crime with it. We don’t have a plan to deal with an increase in these social issues.

4. Fracking will require transporting toxic fracking

chemicals and polluted wastewater to our communities, along our highways and on the Mackenzie River. NWT workers will also be exposed to these hazardous substances.

5. Sahtu elders tell us that water flows through the

deep geology of the Sahtu and that different areas are connected in ways that science has

not documented. We also know that underground networks of fractured rock and wells will eventually leak.

6. We have to look at the bigger picture. Our land,

water, wildlife, cultures, communities and economies are already under stress and will suffer from the additional stress of fracking and associated development.

7. Extracting oil and gas increases greenhouse

gas emissions and makes global climate change happen faster. Greenhouse gas emissions come both directly from the fracking operation and from burning the oil and gas that is extracted.

8. The decision to allow fracking in the NWT

without an environmental assessment has created tension in the Sahtu and across the Northwest Territories.

Under the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act, every agency of this government had the authority to refer fracking applications for environmental assessment, yet fracking has already begun in the Sahtu without an environmental assessment. The list of accidents and spills has already begun to add up. Just in the last two days, two trucks carrying fracking wastewater have rolled over, both perilously close to rivers.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Concerns About Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

As I mentioned, both trucks carrying highly polluted and toxic water rolled over very close to rivers. Fortunately none spilled. The ConocoPhillips site has had to shut down after a worker was seriously injured, and several holding dams and tanks have failed already.

People are concerned and they have every right to be. Many people are talking about a moratorium on fracking, but at a very minimum we need to do environmental assessments on these projects to respond to people’s concerns. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Power Rates In Yellowknife

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to use today’s occasion to talk about an important issue. I want to give thanks to all those people out there that ensure the Northwest Territories and, more particularly, the city of Yellowknife is at number one.

We’re number one and normally that’s something to be truly proud of, but not in this particular case. Why, many ask? Well, this city of Yellowknife’s

power rates continue to outshine all other cities across Canada. Believe it or not, our power bill rates are higher than Iqaluit’s or even Whitehorse. So we’re number one. Is that something to be proud of? I say it’s something to be ashamed of.

The cost of living weighs on the shoulders of the everyday working family continues to get heavier and heavier while the McLeod government watches this happen every day. When will this McLeod government stand up and fight for the everyday family who is trying to get by?

When 5 to 10 percent of your salary is going to your power bill, a signal must eventually be sent to this government to act. It’s almost impossible to have a one-income family. I barely know any that try to get by without two incomes.

The cost of living continues to be unbearable, but our Finance Minister will tell you it’s the intent of this government to attract 2,000 new people to the Northwest Territories. Quite frankly, who is going to want to come here when the Economic Development Strategy points out and they recognize that power rates hold Yellowknife back? If anything, they say in their report that it’s a negative, not a positive. Again, we’re number one. Boy, that’s scaring people.

But it gets worse. That hungry beast we know as the NWT Power Corp cannot be satisfied. Its insatiable appetite continues to grow by trying to increase our power rates. Oh, but don’t worry, it’s only $10 a month. Don’t worry; it will be okay. That might only add up to 3 percent of your normal bill, but you’ll be fine.

When is the courage going to be built up, thrust through this government to say enough is enough? Take back these high-cost power rates; show Northerners they care. It’s time to rise and show who they’re standing with. Do we continue to protect the Power Corp’s insatiable appetite to increase our power bills, or will they start standing up for the everyday working family who has trouble paying their power bills? It’s time they do so. Where will they be on the cost of living fight? Right now, they’re all silent.

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Power Rates In Yellowknife

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m very pleased to recognize all GNWT employees who worked on the devolution file that are here in the gallery. There are too many to name, but I’ll ask them to stand up and be recognized and also accept our thanks. Thank you very much.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. I’d like to welcome here Mr. Anthony W.J. Whitford who has held every position in this Assembly once or twice. Welcome back to the House, Tony, it’s always good to have you here.

Mr. Bromley .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to endorse the Premier ’s recognition of these hardworking folks in the gallery today. I know there are many residents from Weledeh, but all of them have played a critical part, I know. I’d also like to recognize, of course, Tony Whitford, a constituent of Weledeh I was very proud of, as we are of all our constituents, a special guy in this House. I would also like to recognize Weledeh residents Kan Baigent and Jacob Baigent. I believe I’ve heard Jacob is interested in the Youth Parliament once we get around to that. Welcome to those Weledeh residents. Mahsi.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . I’d like to welcome everybody in the public gallery here today and thank you for taking an interest in our proceedings.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 272-17(5): Recruitment Of Health Care Professionals

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The other day the Minister of Human Resources issued a news release announcing that the GNWT continues to develop and implement an array of recruitment and retention initiatives to strengthen the public service and create employment opportunities throughout the Northwest Territories. I fully support this approach but it will not work unless all departments are on the same page.

My questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services . At a time when recruitment and retention could not be more important, why is it emblazoned in red writing across the Department of Health and Social Services’ career website, Practice North, that, “New applications to the DHSS recruitment and retention programs are suspended effective immediately until such time as the human resource strategic plan is complete”?

Does the Department of Health and Social Services not share the same commitment to recruitment and retention as the Minister of Human Resources ? Can the Minister explain that?

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Question 272-17(5): Recruitment Of Health Care Professionals

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 272-17(5): Recruitment Of Health Care Professionals

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are committed to developing a good, solid, quality workforce here in the Northwest Territories of health professionals and allied health professionals, but the bottom line is when I became the Minister of Health and Social Services , I did have an opportunity to meet with the division which had recently moved over to HR.

There were a number of questions about the effectiveness of our program, and continuing to spend dollars for no effect did not seem like a prudent course of action, so I actually directed the department to begin the development of a comprehensive strategic plan or HR plan for the recruitment and retention of health professionals. I have committed to sharing that with my colleagues across the way.

But rather than run programs that don’t work and waste money, I thought it was better, and my colleagues thought it was better, to suspend the programs until such time as we could design a program that meets the needs to develop the workforce of the Department of Health and Social Services and authorities.

But as a note, regardless of our HR plan, we do continue to support interns within the department and the authorities, and we do continue to recruit qualified health professionals across the Northwest Territories.

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Question 272-17(5): Recruitment Of Health Care Professionals

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

It’s difficult to understand how we can recruit when we’ve got no program here. What recruitment and retention program specifically does this moratorium apply to? Does it include community health nurse development programs or does it include others? Can the Minister be a bit more specific?

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Question 272-17(5): Recruitment Of Health Care Professionals

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

It actually includes a number of programs. Over the years we had given out a significant number of bursaries and there is limited data as to whether we were actually getting any return of service on those bursaries and whether we were getting good value for money, so we have continued the bursaries for those individuals that are in nursing programs and other allied programs now, so those individuals that are in are covered, but we have suspended any future intake until we have an opportunity to do a comprehensive analysis to make sure that we are getting value for money.

The Community Health Nurse Development Program is a program that we’re very, very committed to in the department, and it is actually fully subscribed at this point, but we have suspended any future intake until we have an opportunity to review that program to make sure that we are getting good value for money. It is a very expensive program and there may be ways we could partner with authorities to get better effect and get better value for money. We do have people in it, but we have suspended intake until we can

actually make sure this program is giving us the value for money that Members regularly ask for.

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Question 272-17(5): Recruitment Of Health Care Professionals

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Can the Minister inform us: Is the department in the habit of putting a halt on its public initiatives whenever it has to get its own homework done? How long has this moratorium been in place? How long is it going to be intended to be in effect?

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Question 272-17(5): Recruitment Of Health Care Professionals

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

It has been in effect for a couple months. I’ve been the Minister of Health and Social Services for four months now and it was one of the things that I looked at when I came into the department, because health human resource recruitment is one of the areas that’s obviously important. I’d like to have a strong workforce here in the Northwest Territories.

However, I will check the letter I sent to committee to confirm the date that we did actually suspend these programs temporarily. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 272-17(5): Recruitment Of Health Care Professionals

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 272-17(5): Recruitment Of Health Care Professionals

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. How is the public, specifically people trying to seek careers in the health field, supposed to understand what programs they can apply for and when, when it’s clear even the Members on this side of the House don’t even understand what the heck is going on here? Can the Minister offer some clarity, not only to us but to the people out there holding resumes for the health care sector? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 272-17(5): Recruitment Of Health Care Professionals

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Recruitment is ongoing on a regular basis for the positions we have in the health and social services system across the Northwest Territories. Every day we’re hiring nurses and other allied health professionals. The division that has suspended some programs is more in the planning area around providing incentives for Northerners to pursue careers, and we have provided significant numbers of bursaries. We have had programs like the Community Health Development Program and the intent is good, but we need to make sure that we’re getting value for money.

If we’re spending money on bursaries and getting no return for service, we need to make sure that we look at those programs, stop spending or giving out the dollars until we can have a program that meets the needs of our residents and provides an opportunity or incentive to actually return the service that we were hoping to get. An initial review shows there is clearly some question as to whether or not we’re getting value for money for those programs.

We continue to recruit daily. We continue to fill positions across the Northwest Territories. We are committed to the health and social services system and we will continue to recruit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 272-17(5): Recruitment Of Health Care Professionals

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Question 273-17(5): Licenced Practical Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It has just been over a year now since we’ve had commitment to get a licenced practical nurse in Tsiigehtchic. Yet, to this day, we don’t have a licenced practical nurse in Tsiigehtchic.

I would like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services , has there been any progress in getting an LPN in Tsiigehtchic on a full-time basis? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 273-17(5): Licenced Practical Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 273-17(5): Licenced Practical Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I’ve said previously in the House, I have directed the department to do a review of the ISDM to see what make-up of professionals would be appropriate in the smaller communities. I have committed to doing that. I note the department has had some discussions with the Beaufort-Delta, specifically around Tsiigehtchic and the options that have been presented by the Member, but we have not hired an LPN for Tsiigehtchic. We need to finish the other work before we figure out what would be the appropriate course of action. I’d be happy to work with the Member, happy to work with committee. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 273-17(5): Licenced Practical Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

I’d also like to ask the Minister if the department is making any policies to make it possible to have a full-time licenced practical nurse in Tsiigehtchic. Thank you.

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Question 273-17(5): Licenced Practical Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Health and Social Services

I think it’s important to finish the analysis first so we can figure out what the appropriate make-up would be. It may not be an LPN, it may not be an RN. It may be, it may not be. We need to do that work and we have committed and I have committed to do that work and sharing the results with the Member, so we can have an informed discussion on how we can provide quality care for the residents of Tsiigehtchic and the other small communities in the Northwest Territories.

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Question 273-17(5): Licenced Practical Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

I’d like to ask the Minister, when is the analysis going to be complete and when will the community have a licenced practical nurse, or a nurse, for that matter, in the community? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Health and Social Services

I don’t have a timeline, but we do plan on doing this review in the 2014-15 fiscal year. We will get to the Member before the end of that fiscal year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 273-17(5): Licenced Practical Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Blake .

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Question 273-17(5): Licenced Practical Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not want this to be a drawn out process. Will this be complete within the 17th Legislative Assembly?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Health and Social Services

The review, analysis and direction will be completed within the 17th Assembly. It might take a bit of time, but I will continue to work with the Member and committee. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 273-17(5): Licenced Practical Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 274-17(5): Financial Impact Of Junior Kindergarten Program

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have questions today for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . I would like to follow up on some questions that were asked earlier in the week by my colleagues from Hay River, particularly Mr. Bouchard , who spoke about some of the potential impacts on junior kindergarten, sorry, the impacts of junior kindergarten on other preschool programs. In both Hay River and Yellowknife, we have viable preschool programs and the one I want to specifically refer to is the Aboriginal Head Start program.

The Junior Kindergarten Program is going to have a huge impact on Aboriginal Head Start. They’ve recently been advised, not in so many words, but they pretty much have understood that their program, which is for three and four-year-olds, when junior kindergarten starts is going to become a program for three-year-olds. This is a very active program. It’s a very well recognized program and it’s a very successful program and the department itself has told them that.

I’d like to know from the Minister, first off, why are we killing off one program for the benefit of junior kindergarten? Thank you.

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Question 274-17(5): Financial Impact Of Junior Kindergarten Program

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 274-17(5): Financial Impact Of Junior Kindergarten Program

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Clearly, junior kindergarten is optional to the parents. It’s up to the parents to choose where their kids should be going. Obviously, we support the preschoolers who are out there in the communities such as Hay River, Yellowknife and other communities. We continue to support that. We provide funding through various programs we have within ECE and the Health department and other areas and we continue to sponsor those.

This is just an enhancement for the preschoolers who are out there and it is an option for the parents. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 274-17(5): Financial Impact Of Junior Kindergarten Program

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

To the Minister, I don’t believe the Aboriginal Head Start program receives any funding from the territorial government. They are a federally funded program and it doesn’t cost anything for parents for their children to attend the Aboriginal Head Start program.

Maybe there’s a miscommunication between what the Minister is telling Members and what the department staff are telling the Aboriginal Head Start staff, but from what the Aboriginal Head Start people are telling me, I don’t understand why the two programs cannot co-exist.

Why does Aboriginal Head Start have to redesign their program for only three-year-olds? Why can they not continue to provide programming for three and four-year-olds?

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Question 274-17(5): Financial Impact Of Junior Kindergarten Program

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

When I say subsidies for the operators such as preschool, Aboriginal Head Start program is another successful program in the communities funded through the federal government. We continue to enhance those programs in the communities and develop more options. That’s what our main focus is. Some of the communities do not have those options. They have the Head Start program. Some have preschool, some don’t. So, junior kindergarten would allow more flexibility in the communities that do not have licenced child care programming. Those are just some of the areas that we’ve been discussing for a number of years now. Now it’s before us and we’re moving forward.

An early childhood development consultant is also working very closely with those operators, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi.

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Question 274-17(5): Financial Impact Of Junior Kindergarten Program

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

To the Minister, I am not saying that junior kindergarten is not a good program and I’m not saying that it shouldn’t be implemented. What I am saying is we have eight Aboriginal Head Start programs in eight communities in the NWT. The impression that is being given to both school boards and to the Aboriginal Head Start Council, from my understanding, is that junior kindergarten will be in the schools. The four-year-olds will go to school; the four-year-olds will not go to any other programming. This is not daycare, Mr. Speaker. This is a preschool play program and it is an extremely valuable program.

I need to understand from the Minister when he says his department is assisting with the Aboriginal Head Start program and helping the council with their programming, what does he mean by that, because they are not feeling like they’re being helped. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

As you know, we haven’t really rolled out the program yet. It will be this September. We’re at the point where we are working with those operators such as Head Start programming and also the preschools and other licenced early childhood development programs in our communities and those communities that do not

have it. As I stated, we have an early childhood consultant who is working very closely with the communities. We want this program to be very successful. It’s a three-year phased-in approach. We want this Head Start program, preschool obviously, enhanced as well. We will be working closely with them, hand-in-hand. We’re not going to just ignore them. They have been very successful. We’ll continue to support that as well. Mahsi.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There’s a lot in there, but to the Minister, I understand that the department doesn’t want to ignore the Aboriginal Head Start. I understand that the department wants to go into communities where there is nothing, but in these eight communities where Head Start is a well-established, successful, viable program, don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater. I want to say to the Minister that I appreciate he wants to work with Head Start, but the communication is not working.

To the Minister, I want to know, will he go back to the department and discuss with the department the communication that he’s having with the Aboriginal Head Start Council? Because they certainly are not feeling they’re being helped; they feel like they’re being shut down. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. That’s the whole idea of what we’re doing in our department. I just met with my senior staff last week because we talk about the planning, the rolling out of the program of junior kindergarten and how we can work with the preschoolers, how we can work with the Head Start programming. So those are just some of the discussions we’ve been having.

Mr. Bromley also raised that issue last week, I believe it was. Since that time, we’ve been discussing this particular area, how can we improve our communication, our working dialogue with operators. So those are discussions we’ve been having. We’re going to improve those areas for sure. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Question 275-17(5): Educational Achievement Of Aboriginal Youth

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As Northerners aspire to further their education, there becomes different trails that students take, especially in regard to Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal students. We all want, in the North here, to ensure that we have enough doctors, lawyers, management professionals, teachers, just to name a few, so our students can aspire to those positions.

In small communities there has been a trend in terms of our schools not doing well, especially our students compared to larger centres. Four out of 10 of our Aboriginal students compared to the non-Aboriginal students don’t succeed.

Recently, Education, Culture and Employment has been working on the Education Renewal. So my question to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment is: Will your department’s Education Renewal Initiative eliminate the achievement gap between Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal students? Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The Minister of Education , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 275-17(5): Educational Achievement Of Aboriginal Youth

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The whole education renewal innovation, the whole purpose is to deal with that, the education achievement gap with the NWT students. We’re responsible for all students in the Northwest Territories. So there are Aboriginal students and non-Aboriginal students, but we’re responsible for all of them. So this education renewal will capture that. Those are the discussions that we’ve been having. Since the Aboriginal Student Achievement Initiative, the Early Childhood Development Framework and now Education Renewal Innovation.

So this is a particular area where we’re focusing on small communities, why are they not succeeding in school. It is one of the pillars that we’re going to be looking at formula funding, we’re going to be looking at how the whole structure hasn’t been succeeding in their schools, the small communities. So this is an area that will be covered and offset through education renewal. Mahsi.

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Question 275-17(5): Educational Achievement Of Aboriginal Youth

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

I’d like to thank the Minister for his response. They’re still at the discussion stage, which is reassuring that there’s time for input. However, going back to our students, again, there are always barriers in terms of some of the obstacles that our students have to go through. It’s not very common that you have students that are making the choice to basically separate themselves from their social friends and then make that choice to go back to school. We need to ensure that this government has the support mechanisms in place. Aboriginal youth are more likely to delay the transition to post-secondary studies.

That means they are more likely to have children, yet a student getting financial assistance isn’t eligible for daycare. Why is that?

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Question 275-17(5): Educational Achievement Of Aboriginal Youth

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. Student Financial Assistance supports the students that need financial assistance going back to university or college. There are subsidy programs through ECE, Education, Culture and Employment that do offset the cost of child care programming because we have to support those students. We want them to succeed and come back to our communities to

obviously develop professional backgrounds, so to become a professional.

It may not be covered through SFA, but there are other subsidies within ECE that will offset the cost of daycare. Mahsi.

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Question 275-17(5): Educational Achievement Of Aboriginal Youth

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you. The Minister indicated that part of the efforts to address the need for daycare subsidies is that it’s something that quite possibly could be expanded.

Why doesn’t this government provide a financial aid package that matches the real costs of education? Mahsi.

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Question 275-17(5): Educational Achievement Of Aboriginal Youth

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. The SFA program that we deliver in the Northwest Territories, as I’ve stated so many times, this is one of the best benefit programs for student financial assistance across Canada and internationally. So, this will continue to push that forward. Those are some of the areas that may not offset the overall costs of the student achieving their tickets or their diploma, certifications or degrees. There are other subsidies, the scholarships are out there and other benefits that are out there. Some, obviously, work part time as well. There are various venues that individuals can access. So SFA, again, is one of the best programs that we deliver to students and it has been a success. Mahsi.

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Question 275-17(5): Educational Achievement Of Aboriginal Youth

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Nadli .

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Question 275-17(5): Educational Achievement Of Aboriginal Youth

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister has indicated that the Education Renewal Initiative is underway and primarily to try to address the achievement gap between the Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal students. That’s the main purpose of the Education Renewal Initiative.

Could the Minister, by this spring’s session, commit to giving an update to this House and indicate to us how and what kind of performance measures he will undertake to ensure that his department addresses that gap? Mahsi.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. That is part of our discussion we’re having now. As I’ve stated in the House, an action plan will be coming by this spring, late spring and it will be delivered to the Standing Committee for their input as well. So that is the process that we’re going through and yes, I will be informing the standing committee. Mahsi.

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Question 275-17(5): Educational Achievement Of Aboriginal Youth

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 276-17(5): Addressing Rising Energy Costs

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When mortgage costs are certainly eclipsing the costs of running a household when it comes to heat, power and certainly water, something has to be done. Furthermore, we have to find a way to help our

northern people because there’s just, frankly, no way we’re going to ever attract anybody and it’s hard enough to keep the people we have here.

My first question to the Minister is: What can he do, as Power Corp Minister, to help reduce our power rates that continue to rise at the direction of the NWT Power Corp?

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Power Corporation , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 276-17(5): Addressing Rising Energy Costs

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We’ve committed as a government in addition to what the Power Corp’s generating through rates of $33 million to cushion the rate increase since there’d been no rate increase for five years. That’s a distinct investment. As well, we are working into all sorts of areas right to alternate energies. We looked at ways to try to address some of the energy costs. Part of the hope of the grid build-out, as well, is more efficiency and economies of scales that would connect the north and southern grids. We would look to try to continue our investments in solar and those other areas combined with batteries and wind.

So, the costs of energies around the world continue to rise and we are there definitely doing our part. Thank you.

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Question 276-17(5): Addressing Rising Energy Costs

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

The Minister talks about all great and wonderful things in the fullness of time. Global warming is coming sooner than some of the results of these initiatives, and quite frankly, I think we should wait for global warming over those initiatives because they will solve our problem at the speed they’re flowing through.

Has the NWT Power Corp ever done any type of analysis on the burden of the everyday ratepayer in comparison to other cities? So, in other words, have they taken any analysis of what the city of Yellowknife ratepayer would pay on their power bills versus their income versus other cities across Canada?

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Question 276-17(5): Addressing Rising Energy Costs

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

There are rate increases going on across the land. Pick a province. We are all challenged with the cost of energy. We are very cognizant about the impact of the cost of energy on the cost of living in the Northwest Territories. We are designing ourselves as a corporation and a government to try to address that issue. We want to work with individuals, businesses, corporations and communities to do all the things necessary when it comes to energy efficiency, conservation, building standards, alternate energy. But there is no doubt that the cost of energy is continuing to rise, especially as we continue to rely so much on diesel.

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Question 276-17(5): Addressing Rising Energy Costs

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

The Minister continues to talk about these wonderful platitude solutions. At the end of the day, they’re wonderful. Yes, I agree. But,

frankly, they do nothing for the everyday taxpayer and certainly working families trying to get by. The Economic Opportunities Strategy, again, recently said that the power rates are holding Yellowknife back. It’s a negative, not a positive.

What is the NWT Power Corporation doing to ensure that we can keep our power rates low, because right now, as we all know, there’s a new application before the PUB to further increase them. We should be working to push these power rates down not increase them. We will never attract 2,000 people if this is the direction the Power Corp thinks is the only way to go. Can the Minister do anything to help the everyday working family?

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Question 276-17(5): Addressing Rising Energy Costs

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I would suggest to the Member that if we weren’t contributing the $13.8 million that we were to cushion the rate increases over the last couple of years and the next coming years that the impact would be dramatically different, and, yes, the Rate Stabilization Fund, which hasn’t had an increase in five years, requires some replenishment, once again, tied to the cost of energy.

We are continuing to do all the things that we can, both as the Power Corporation and as a government, to invest millions to branch out into alternate energy, the issues I’ve already answered in the previous question, and these aren’t platitudes. This is cold, hard cash. These are projects on the ground. These are standards that have been changed. These are projects that are meant to achieve the goals of the government and help contain the cost of energy.

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Question 276-17(5): Addressing Rising Energy Costs

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 276-17(5): Addressing Rising Energy Costs

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, the Minister can continue to gild the lily on this problem but it’s not changing the fact that the everyday ratepayer can’t afford their power bills. People are leaving and there’s no way we’re going to attract people here to the Northwest Territories.

The last thing I’m going to say is there’s the old saying, death by a thousand cuts, and I think the everyday ratepayers had 999 of them and they cannot take one more. The question to the Minister is: He talked about the Stabilization Fund, is it not time to continue to focus in on other solutions that deliver immediate respite to the everyday ratepayer who’s just the simple, everyday working family trying to get by? Is it not the focus of the government to ensure that people can survive?

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Question 276-17(5): Addressing Rising Energy Costs

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Given the Member’s concern about gilding lilies and dealing with platitudes, I would be very interested to know what specific suggestions that he would have to provide that relief that’s not already being considered or done, and we would give them very serious consideration.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 277-17(5): Concerns Related To Hydraulic Fracturing

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my statement earlier today I talked about how people in the NWT are concerned about fracking, and my questions today are for the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources .

Many people are concerned and for good reasons. I would like to know: Has the Minister heard these concerns? Does he understand that people are concerned or that he least acknowledge that they might be concerned?

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 277-17(5): Concerns Related To Hydraulic Fracturing

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I am aware that there are a wide range of views about hydraulic fracturing. I’ve been a recipient of some correspondence through the Council for Canadians, for example, expressing their concern. I do read the newspapers, listen to the news, and talk to people, and yes, I have heard some of those concerns and I believe I do understand them.

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Question 277-17(5): Concerns Related To Hydraulic Fracturing

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thanks to the Minister for that understanding. The petition I’ll be tabling later today, of course, signatures from at least 24 communities including all Sahtu communities and so on. The MVRMA legislation says that any agency of the territorial government can refer a proposed project to a full environmental assessment. We have literally hundreds of agencies, public health agencies, environmental protection agencies and so on, yet none of them referred the previous fracking application for environmental assessment.

Did our government issue a directive or instructions telling all agencies not to issue a referral or did each agency make that decision on their own?

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Question 277-17(5): Concerns Related To Hydraulic Fracturing

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

understanding in regard to the concerns out of the Sahtu about water is the concern is specifically about the water being withdrawn from fish lakes as opposed to being withdrawn from the Mackenzie. I do believe that issue is being looked at and, hopefully, will be addressed.

In regard to was there a directive from government, no, there wasn’t in regard to instructing any agency or part of government to atomically reject or not require environmental assessments of fracking.

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Question 277-17(5): Concerns Related To Hydraulic Fracturing

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I’m glad the Minister understands at least one of the eight major concerns that I read out in my earlier speaking today.

As we all know, devolution will be taking effect as of April 1st . After that date, will any agencies of the

GNWT be permitted to make an independent decision on a proposed project or will all decisions be made by the Executive?

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Question 277-17(5): Concerns Related To Hydraulic Fracturing

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The intent is to have a made-in-the-North regulatory regime that brings together the regulatory authorities, both the oil and gas through water and minerals, lands, with ITI, ENR and the Lands department. We intend to be very thorough, very rigorous, and we want to coordinate our efforts. There is going to be responsibilities that require the various regulatory agencies and bodies to respond as regulators. There are going to be some requirements for technical responses. We are going to look very thoroughly at all of those project applications that come in and we will, in fact, provide that rigour and timeliness that we have committed to.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 277-17(5): Concerns Related To Hydraulic Fracturing

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’ll look forward to that on time. The MVRMA gives criteria for determining when a project should be referred for an environmental assessment. I would assume that we use the criteria listed in the legislation, and I’d be happy to give the Minister a reference to that, clause 125,

section 1.

I would assume that we use the criteria listed in the legislation, but to be sure, would the Minister commit to making public the criteria this government and its agencies use when deciding whether to refer a project to environmental assessment even if it’s following the legislation?

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Question 277-17(5): Concerns Related To Hydraulic Fracturing

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Yes, we will provide that information to the House.

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Question 277-17(5): Concerns Related To Hydraulic Fracturing

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 278-17(5): Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to follow up with questions to the Minister of Transportation about my initial concern for my riding and the residents of Fort Liard and reconstruction of Highway No. 7. I know that in this year’s federal budget they have indicated a new Building Canada Plan. It’s $53 billion. I don’t know that they had time to talk with the departments, talk with their federal counterparts, and see just how much of that money will be available for our Northwest Territories government in building infrastructure for our Northwest Territories.

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Question 278-17(5): Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 278-17(5): Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The federal government, on the Building Canada Fund, has provided us an indication that they will approve $258 million for the NWT for both transportation and community infrastructure. Thank you.

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Question 278-17(5): Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

That’s the exact amount of money I need to reconstruct Highway No. 7.

---Laughter

That’s great news. Maybe the Minister can detail how that $258 million will be broken up – he did indicate I think it was municipalities and transportation – maybe what kind of dialogue and is it $258 million over 10 years. How is that $258 million allocated for the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Question 278-17(5): Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, it’s split between the community governments and transportation infrastructure. We have not determined that, but the $258 million has to be leveraged and they are what we refer to as 75 cent dollars so the GNWT will have to come back to the House to get our corresponding share, which would be 25 percent. It is over 10 years, so approximately $25.8 million per year from the federal government to the GNWT. Thank you.

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Question 278-17(5): Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I know that Transportation had an excellent Corridors for Canada III proposal, Building for Prosperity. That was $600 million over a 10-year period and it addressed many of the concerns in each of our constituencies and, in fact, for the whole of the Northwest Territories.

How does that funding impact our ability to follow through with Corridors for Canada III: Building for Prosperity in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Question 278-17(5): Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, the Provincial/Territorial Infrastructure Fund request was for $415 million and that was the initial $600 million ask from the GNWT to the federal government. The portion that the Member speaks of where Highway No. 7 would sit was a $415 million request and we didn’t, obviously, get all of that since the entire ask to us was $258 million, so we’re discussing this between ourselves as departments, and also our infrastructure Minister McLeod has been leading some meetings to determine the split between the communities and the highways. Thank you.

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Question 278-17(5): Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 278-17(5): Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. It certainly impacts the well-touted Corridors for Canada III plan of the Department of Transportation. I’m just wondering: What does the department have? Will the department come back for a Corridors for Canada III divided by half proposal? How is the department going to manage

all those initiatives? I know we had great discussion in committee and it seemed like a great plan, but now with the reduced amount the Minister has already said he doesn’t know how much he’s actually getting because there are still discussions happening.

I guess the other question, too, if I may, is there any other highway initiative funding that the federal government has that will also help us with the Corridors for Canada III plan? Thank you.

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Question 278-17(5): Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Yes, Mr. Speaker, there is another fund. I believe its $4 billion. It’s projects of national significance and we are taking a portion of our ask and looking at it again, and we will be presenting the work that’s going to be needed to build new infrastructure and the project would be the Mackenzie Valley Highway. We’re going to be presenting that to the federal government before the end of this month. Thank you.

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Question 278-17(5): Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 279-17(5): Deline Community Self-Government Agreement

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier , Minister of Aboriginal Affairs , on the potential of Deline proving their community government initiative tonight. I want to ask the Minister, are there within the life of this government here that Deline, should they be successful – tonight we’ll hear for sure – legislation in place for them to become enacted in legislation as a self-government body?

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Question 279-17(5): Deline Community Self-Government Agreement

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 279-17(5): Deline Community Self-Government Agreement

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think we’re all waiting with great anticipation for the results of the ratification vote tonight. Once we get the results, we’ll proceed with the next steps. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 279-17(5): Deline Community Self-Government Agreement

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

In the Sahtu they are really excited and they hope they will hear the news tonight.

What are the next steps should the vote be a successful vote?

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Question 279-17(5): Deline Community Self-Government Agreement

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

If ratified by the parties, a signing ceremony will be held possibly this summer of 2014 or maybe sooner. We see an effective date for the final agreement occurring in 2016. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 279-17(5): Deline Community Self-Government Agreement

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, of course the federal government will also do due diligence on this legislation. Do we have any role in regards to working with the federal government in implementing Deline’s self-government agreement?

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Question 279-17(5): Deline Community Self-Government Agreement

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

The GNWT is a signatory to these agreements and there are programs and services and assets that the Deline community will be taking over, so we will be participating in all aspects of those arrangements. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 279-17(5): Deline Community Self-Government Agreement

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 280-17(5): Incidence Of Diabetes And Pre-Diabetes

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hate to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services questions today, but I’ll make my questions short and he can make the answers short and we can wrap this up.

I do not have before me the statistics on the incidence of diabetes and pre-diabetes in the Northwest Territories, but I’d like to ask the Minister if this condition is on the rise in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Question 280-17(5): Incidence Of Diabetes And Pre-Diabetes

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Health , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 280-17(5): Incidence Of Diabetes And Pre-Diabetes

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Health and Social Services

Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 280-17(5): Incidence Of Diabetes And Pre-Diabetes

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, how do our statistics on the incidence of diabetes and pre-diabetes compare to other jurisdictions in Canada? Thank you.

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Question 280-17(5): Incidence Of Diabetes And Pre-Diabetes

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, diabetes is, from my understanding, on the rise across Canada. We are not unique. Our rates increase by about 200 people a year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 280-17(5): Incidence Of Diabetes And Pre-Diabetes

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Does the treatment and education of people in the Northwest Territories with diabetes and pre-diabetes include an education component? Thank you.

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Question 280-17(5): Incidence Of Diabetes And Pre-Diabetes

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Health and Social Services

Yes, Mr. Speaker. We have a variety of different programs that are trying to start with prevention, Healthy Families, Healthy Choices framework, a number of initiatives geared to educating people about food. I have directed the department to work a little bit more on trying to get some more information on sugar, as brought up earlier by Mr. Dolynny , into that advertising, that prevention works. But we also have professionals in Yellowknife and in communities throughout the Northwest Territories who actually provide services to the individuals, including education and helping people make positive food choices and help them control their diabetes.

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Question 280-17(5): Incidence Of Diabetes And Pre-Diabetes

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 280-17(5): Incidence Of Diabetes And Pre-Diabetes

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That education that is provided to patients who are diagnosed with diabetes, I’m going to ask the

Minister if he is familiar with the concept that came out through previous reports to Health and Social Service on the concept of centres of excellence for different types of activities within the health care system.

With this increase in the incidence of diabetes, has any thought been given to a centre of excellence for the education and treatment of diabetes in the Northwest Territories and perhaps could he consider that the Hay River hospital that’s going to be soon moved into a new hospital as a centre for something like that? Thank you.

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Question 280-17(5): Incidence Of Diabetes And Pre-Diabetes

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you. We are committed to working with residents on this particular issue and we’re committed to doing a number of things, including some prevention and direct supports to our residents. We have run a number of pilots in different communities on diabetes programming, but I hear the Member, it’s an interesting idea. I would love to sit down with the Member and committee and get a little bit more input on specifically what they’re making reference to and I would be happy to have some additional discussion on that. Thank you.

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