Debates of Feb. 13th, 2025

This is page numbers 1785 - 1844 of the Hansard for the 20th Assembly, 1st Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was know .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer Or Reflection

Celebrating Indigenous Languages

Regional Support for Supply Chain Success

Building Shelter Capacity Fund

Aurora College Community Learning Centre Closures

Innovation in Response to Aurora College Community Learning Centres Closures

Dilapidated Housing in Small Communities

Opportunities for Indigenous Employees of the Government of the Northwest Territories

Access to Affordable Childcare

State of Child and Family Services

Implementation of Northwest Territories Early Learning and Childcare Agreement

Land Title Transfers for Private Homes

Hand Games Tournaments

Extended Adjournment of the House to February 25, 2025

Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Sahtu Recipients of 2024-2025 Indigenous Language Revitalization Scholarships

Implementation of the Northwest Territories Early Learning and Childcare Agreement

Implementation of the Northwest Territories Early Learning and Childcare Agreement

Aurora College Community Learning Centres Closures

Innovation in Response to Aurora College Community Learning Centres Closures

Shelter Network Funding and Training

Remediation and Demolition of Housing Northwest Territories Units in Mackenzie Delta

Effectiveness of Indigenous Employment Programs in the Public Service

Child and Family Services Plan of Care Agreements

Implementation of the Northwest Territories Early Learning and Childcare Agreement

Implementation of the Northwest Territories Early Learning and Childcare Agreement

Tabled Document 291-20(1): Annual Report to the Legislative Assembly under the Transportation of Dangerous Goods Act

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Caitlin Cleveland , Mr. Edjericon , Mr. Hawkins , Hon. Lucy Kuptana , Hon. Jay Macdonald , Hon. Vince McKay , Mr. McNeely , Ms. Morgan , Mr. Morse , Mr. Nerysoo , Ms. Reid , Mr. Rodgers , Hon. Lesa Semmler , Mr. Testart , Hon. Shane Thompson , Hon. Caroline Wawzonek , Mrs. Weyallon Armstrong , Mrs. Yakeleya

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

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Prayer Or Reflection

Prayer Or Reflection

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Good afternoon, Colleagues. Please join me in thanking Elder Shirley Elias for the opening song today.

Colleagues, before we begin today, I would like to take a moment to thank the grade 1 and two students from Itlo Ecole who visited us earlier today. As a part of Indigenous languages month, these students were here to sing a special rendition of I love you, in Wiliideh dialect, dedicated to our incredible interpreters. It was wonderful to see these young people and hear their beautiful voices early this morning.

The students were gifted a book from our Inuktitut interpreter Susie Napayk-Short called Kids, Cubs and Calves, which she authored. Thank you, Susie. Colleagues, please join me in thanking these students for being here today and for honouring our Indigenous languages.

Now, Colleagues, let's get ready to rumble. I mean, let's get down to business. Ministers' statements. Minister of ECE I believe it is

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Minister's Statement 94-20(1): Celebrating Indigenous Languages

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, I'd like to start my statement today in Inuvialuktun. [Translation] Mr. Speaker, “let us speak together.” That is the theme of this year's Indigenous Languages Month, which we celebrate every February. This month, we encourage residents to speak together in homes, in classrooms and in communities. Indigenous Languages Month is a time to honour and celebrate Indigenous languages. This year's theme emphasizes the collective responsibility in revitalizing our Indigenous languages. Every conversation in an Indigenous language strengthens its future.

Mr. Speaker, for generations, colonial policies sought to erase Indigenous languages. That legacy remains, but Indigenous governments, language advocates, and communities continue their work to preserve and promote their languages. The Government of the Northwest Territories stands with them, recognizing that real Reconciliation demands action. [Translation Ends].

Mr. Speaker, I owe a huge amount of gratitude to Beverly Amos for translating that for me today. And to Lillian Elias who joins us here in the House every day, for helping me learn some words. She's always incredibly patient with me and I am forever grateful for her language patience with me, and also her heart in this House.

Mr. Speaker, our Mentor-Apprentice Program is one example of how we support language learning. Each mentor and apprentice pair spend nine months together doing everyday activities like cooking, fishing, having tea, using their Indigenous language only. Last year, 57 pairs accomplished 200 hours of language immersion, developing more fluent Indigenous language speakers in the Northwest Territories.

Over five years, 117 participants have completed their hours. I congratulate all participants for "living life in the language," and I encourage residents to apply before the end of this month for our next intake, Mr. Speaker.

Our commitment extends to schools. Last year, 39 Northwest Territories schools offered Indigenous language programming as a second language. Our Indigenous Languages Secretariat worked with education bodies to implement the Indigenous Languages and Education Handbook, strengthening quality culture and language-based programming.

We also launched the Indigenous Language Instructor Employment Plan, creating new trainee positions where learners develop fluency and instructional skills. Five schools in the Beaufort Delta and Deh Cho regions participated in the pilot, and I would like to see it expanded.

Since 2018, 61 Indigenous language revitalization scholarships have been awarded, including 11 last year. These $5,000 scholarships help students offset the costs of their studies that contribute to revitalizing Indigenous languages.

Mr. Speaker, I am also pleased to announce that this year, the GNWT will release the first edition of the Indigenous Languages Services Standards. These standards will guide public servants in meeting Indigenous language service delivery requirements under the Official Languages Act. Every resident has the right to access public services in an official language, and the new standards will help the GNWT fulfill this right.

Mr. Speaker, we have made progress, but we cannot be complacent. Indigenous languages persist thanks to generations of resilience, and we must ensure their survival. The Government of the Northwest Territories remains committed to revitalizing Indigenous languages alongside Indigenous champions, elders, and educators. I thank and recognize the Indigenous language speakers who are bringing the language forward for the next generations. Let us continue to speak together. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Quyananni.

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Ministers' statements. Minister responsible for Infrastructure .

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Minister's Statement 95-20(1): Regional Support for Supply Chain Success

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I would like to acknowledge the work being done by our regional and divisional staff when it comes to supporting supply chain success in the territory. As you know, our resupply operations on the Mackenzie River faced significant challenges last season due to low water levels, disrupting the transportation of goods and fuel to communities in the Sahtu. The Government of the Northwest Territories, through the Department of Infrastructure's fuel services division, oversees the Petroleum Products Program, which manages the purchase, transport, and storage of fuel in 16 communities not served by the private sector.

We recognize that communities relying on private suppliers are equally vulnerable to fluctuating fuel costs when transportation is disrupted. To address this, the GNWT provided an air freight subsidy to Norman Wells, helping to mitigate rising fuel costs for consumers until the Mackenzie Valley Winter Road became operational for the winter resupply season.

Mr. Speaker, the increased efforts of regional airport staff to support fuel airlifts were also instrumental in ensuring the Sahtu communities had the fuel they needed before the winter road could open. This winter resupply season is an important one, particularly for those communities.

Normal traffic movement of fuel along the Mackenzie Valley Winter Road sees about 130 truckloads per season. This season, the region can expect to see 600 truckloads, a 460 percent increase in fuel trips alone. Fuel resupply efforts in the Sahtu communities serviced by our fuel services division account for 250 of these truckloads, and the rest are private sector fuel.

In addition, we expect to see a significant increase in traffic to complete the backlogged delivery of dry goods to communities impacted by the unprecedented low water conditions. We have been working very closely with our contractors and the private sector to support resupply planning and to ensure consistent communication between all parties.

Mr. Speaker, these efforts put extra pressure on our regional and divisional staff, as well as on our contractors to maintain, construct, and monitor a winter road system to support an anticipated record number of vehicles. Such an increase in traffic, especially heavy-duty trucks, has great potential to further compromise the integrity and longevity of our winter road system that is largely dependent on weather conditions. Though spells of warmer temperatures may be welcomed by some Northerners, they are not favourable to variables to help our winter roads.

In response to this, the Department is taking several precautions for the safety of Northwest Territories drivers and a successful resupply to communities along the Mackenzie Valley Winter Road. Our efforts include additional flooding of ice crossings during construction to extend their operational window and increasing bearing capacity, widening the winter road, where possible, and clearing wildfire debris. We are also increasing maintenance to ensure the efficiency of truck traffic and increasing monitoring in order to address any problems quickly.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize the proactive approach taken by our staff, and the willingness of contractors and communities to collaborate, often stretching their resources and taking on more work sometimes on short and unpredictable notice.

And, Mr. Speaker, as resupply operations in the Sahtu have just recently begun, I would also like to thank our regional and divisional staff, as well as the partnerships that we have with contractors and communities of these continued efforts to build and preserve a winter road system that supports so many aspects of northern life. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister of Infrastructure . Ministers' statements. Members' statements. Member from Great Slave .

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Member's Statement 494-20(1): Building Shelter Capacity Fund

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Kate Reid

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last week, Members received a letter from the Family Violence Shelter Network seeking assistance to reinstate funding for the annual building shelter capacity fund in the 2025-2026 Budget. The network is a partnership between YWCA-NWT in Yellowknife, safe homes projects in Fort Good Hope and Fort Simpson, and family violence shelters in Inuvik, Tuktoyaktuk, Hay River, and Fort Smith. The shelter capacity fund slated to be cut is in the amount of $100,000. These funds are vital to the work the network does to train and build capacity of shelter staff to meet GNWT service standards.

Mr. Speaker, as you might imagine, this kind of work is emotionally intense, and as such the sector deals with high turnover. Training of all kinds, from basic family violence 101 training to risk management to trauma informed practice, is a continual need of both the management and frontline level.

Mr. Speaker, when I was president of YWCA-NWT, getting safe homes out of the pilot project stage and into more of our smaller communities was a tangible way that NGOs and Indigenous governments are collaborating to help address the needs of family violence survivors and address trauma. Shelters and safe homes are a desperately needed service across the territory. We don't have cut a small amount of money that is an investment in positive outcomes and impacts for our residents up and down the Valley. Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services .

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Great Slave . Members' statements. Member from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh .

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Member's Statement 495-20(1): Aurora College Community Learning Centre Closures

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Richard Edjericon

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, education is a treaty right and a greater access to education, especially in small communities across the territory, like communities in my riding of Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh. It is clear part of the process towards true reconciliation.

Many of my colleagues have spoken in this House about Aurora College closing 19 community learning centres this June. Their constituents are angry and so are mine. The decision to take all of us by surprise because there were no consultations about these closures. According to the most recent public accounts, the Government of the Northwest Territories provided Aurora College nearly $46 million in grants and contributions in 2024. The GNWT can say that Aurora College made these decisions on their own, but they appointed the board and provided them with their funding, so the buck stops with the Cabinet.

For example, my constituents of Fort Resolution have one of the larger learning centres. It is a standalone building with two classrooms, computer lab, an office, and a common area, two washrooms, and a kitchenette, and a janitor room. A lot more could be done with these spaces yet now it's closing. If Aurora College is closing learning centres because they were underused, that is because the college's programming only centered to a small group of community. Judging by the unanimous criticism from my community members regarding these closures, they wanted improvement, not closures.

Mr. Speaker, I suggest either increasing the fine tuning the amount of programming offered to each of the most people possible in our small communities or transfer the responsibility for these buildings to the communities and make them traditional knowledge learning centres. At the constituents meeting of Lutselk'e last month, I heard many passionate ideas to that effect. They say that if Aurora College cannot be maintained, then the GNWT should transfer them to the communities yet still maintain the full funding, including for programming and operational management. I agree, after all, communities know what is best for their people in education.

Mr. Speaker, we must respect the rights to education enshrined in our treaties and should be doing more for Indigenous communities, not less, and the GNWT needs to face up to the responsibility for education and more specifically the responsibility to keep these education centres open. Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister for culture and employment later on. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 495-20(1): Aurora College Community Learning Centre Closures

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh . Members' statements. Member from the Sahtu .

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Member's Statement 496-20(1): Innovation in Response to Aurora College Community Learning Centres Closures

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Community learning centres innovation. Mr. Speaker, with the closure of the community learning centres brings new innovation. These centres have skilled and educated instructors who can enhance the capacity of current GNWT training initiatives. The regional community learning centres strategy proposes establishing three centralized community learning hubs in Hay River, Fort Simpson, and Norman Wells. Mr.

Speaker, these regional centres could merge with the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs school of community government by broadening and centralizing training resources and funding. We can create a more streamlined and effective approach to community learning.

Mr. Speaker, these hubs could serve approximately 18 communities across the Sahtu, South Slave, and Deh Cho regions. They could tailor their programs to meet local and regional needs offering training for infrastructure projects and responding to the regional employment opportunities. This is particularly crucial as our communities try to advance and engage in diverse economic activities.

Mr. Speaker, we cannot build community capacity by removing essential staff and closing the doors. Our employed people need shorter, targeted courses that fit with their work and family schedules. These regional centres will provide education where people live, eliminating barriers, and allowing our people to balance their studies with jobs and family responsibilities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Later I will have questions to the appropriate Minister.

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from the Sahtu . Members' statements. Member from Mackenzie Delta .

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Member's Statement 497-20(1): Dilapidated Housing in Small Communities

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George Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I rise to talk about the beauty of our smaller communities within the Northwest Territories. The smaller communities have a lot to offer in terms of knowledge, culture, respect, and the kindness of its residents. That is until one comes upon the abandoned buildings, an eyesore to the community that belongs to Housing NWT. These buildings are no longer inhabitable because they have no windows, no doors, the interior is beyond repair, while others are the remains of a fire.

Mr. Speaker, every community within the Northwest Territories tries to play its role in building the economy of the NWT. Tourism is the only resource that some of these communities have to depend on to be part of the economy. But when visitors come to these smaller communities and the first thing they see is one of these buildings, this gives a bad perception of our beautiful communities.

Mr. Speaker, do you know what is so ironic about this situation?

If one of these buildings belonged to one of the local residents of the community, they would be asked to remove the building. If the resident did not comply with the request, they would be charged property tax along with accumulated interest, yet the government can leave them there for years without being penalized.

Mr. Speaker, the communities within my riding of the Mackenzie Delta have to deal with this on a daily basis. Buildings are not only an eyesore to the community and its residents but also a hazard, especially to the younger children of the community.

Mr. Speaker, when we deal with serious circumstances regarding the safety of our communities, we tend to wait until an accident happens, then we act to address the situation. So before an accident happens, let's remove these government-owned buildings and make our communities beautiful again. I will have questions for the Minister responsible for Housing NWT . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Mackenzie Delta . Members' statements. Member from the Deh Cho .

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Member's Statement 498-20(1): Opportunities for Indigenous Employees of the Government of the Northwest Territories

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Sheryl Yakeleya

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recently, there has been discussion in the House and in the media about the Government of the Northwest Territories' affirmative action policy and the proposed changes that are coming later this year. Today I would like to talk about other programs in place for prospective and current Indigenous employees.

The Indigenous Career Gateway Program, which targets Indigenous aboriginal candidates for entry level and training opportunities within the Government of the Northwest Territories, and the Indigenous Development and Training Program provides skills training or work experience for career advancement. Mr. Speaker, I have heard from constituents that they face barriers in gaining employment in the public service and if they are already employed by the GNWT, it is difficult to move into senior positions.

While it is great that we have these programs on paper, I would like to know how they are being implemented in GNWT departments, boards, and agencies. It's important that we see Indigenous representation in the public service, and it's important that we see it in all levels within the organization, not just entry level positions. The GNWT must hire Indigenous students and allow more time for candidates to apply for jobs. I will have questions for the Minister of Finance at the appropriate time. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from the Deh Cho . Members' statements. Member from Range Lake .

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Member's Statement 499-20(1): Access to Affordable Childcare

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Kieron Testart

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, it is often said it takes a village to raise a child, but what if that village didn't have access to the services and resources necessary for that child? Every community needs the right services for every age and every stage, and it's the responsibility of good governance to maintain the quality and access to those services. $10 a day daycare came in place -- it was announced in 2021 to be fully implemented in 2026. This is great. This ensures our constituents have access to childcare because for too long families have been priced out of these services in the North.

These efforts have been welcomed by all, especially me as a parent with young kids. It definitely helps. And we feel the difference immediately. Because accessible, affordable care not only provides endless benefits to young children as they develop but the working parents as well who have more time to participate in the economy and provide for their families.

We need to ensure that the Canada-wide early learning and childcare plan is smoothly rolled out. But unfortunately, I'm hearing from both Range Lake families and their childcare providers that they have entrusted the care of their children to that daycares and day homes are struggling with our current policies, and the consequences are more children are being left behind. That's why parents are asking me why the Department of Education, Culture and Employment has not been adequately funding them so that their needs are met.

As a result, the Yellowknife Daycare Association's ability to operate their services effectively is diminishing, Mr. Speaker. Valuable opportunities for children in their care have been limited by forced cuts to essential services like after school snacks, field trips, and other things that families rely on.

Mr. Speaker, without proper funding, YKDA may eventually be unable to continue offering subsidized services to families. As a parent, I can speak for us all when I say we Northerners cannot afford for their withdrawal from the subsidy program. All the work that's accomplished to date would amount to nothing, forcing families to pay full rates, and at the mercy of cost of any increases. We need the Minister to understand this clearly and make real changes. We've had this debate on the floor of the House before. We voted millions more dollars for the department to make this program a success.

How much more is it going to take? How do we help these families? I'll have questions for the Minister later today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Range Lake . Members' statements. Member from Yellowknife North .

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Member's Statement 500-20(1): State of Child and Family Services

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Shauna Morgan

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to express my concern today about the well-being of the children in this territory, specifically those involved with child and family services. I've been waiting to speak about this until I felt I had solid solutions to propose, but this is a tough one. That might be one reason that no one particularly likes to talk about this. It's depressing, it makes us feel hopeless, and it's easy to ignore because these children are not the ones emailing and calling our constituency offices, and yet these are likely the most vulnerable of our community members.

They have so little opportunity to control what is happening to them, to control the direction of their lives, and that's not fair.

According to the last annual report by child and family services, we had 106 children and youth in permanent care of the state and 45 in temporary care. While at first glance, things seemed to be improving with 40 percent fewer children in permanent care compared to a decade ago, we suddenly have many more children being put into plan of care agreements. And even though this is listed as a preventive measure, it's become very common for social workers to use these agreements to remove children from their homes on a temporary basis with much less oversight than if they were formally apprehended.

While plan of care committees are supposed to involve family and community members, in practice, the committee seemed to mostly involve simply the social worker and the parent who may feel pressured or not have the resources to dispute the conditions written up by CFS.

It's also worth pointing out that the majority of the reports of mistreatment, which can lead to these apprehensions, are related to neglect, which is often rooted in poverty. And no child should ever be removed from their family due to poverty.

Meanwhile, we keep hearing about the government's attempts to transform the CFS system, but what I see is a lot of focus on improving processes, frameworks, programs. What I would rather see is us trying to put children and youth themselves at the centre of our strategy and hold ourselves accountable for better outcomes in their lives.

We speak a lot in this House about the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, and for good reason, but we rarely speak about the UN convention on the rights of the child. What if we built into our legislation that children's rights must be heard, and they should have as much control as possible over their lives? Mr. Speaker, I don't have all the answers, but I do feel it's important to keep the vulnerable children of this territory in our sights. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Yellowknife North . Members' statements. Member from Yellowknife Centre .

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Member's Statement 501-20(1): Implementation of Northwest Territories Early Learning and Childcare Agreement

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday I had the pleasure, if not honour certainly, to speak to the executive directors of the Centre for Northern Families daycare, the Montessori daycare, and the Yellowknife daycare as well, Mr. Speaker. Although I didn't get a chance to speak to the YWCA daycare, I still feel for their plight and their concerns will be in my statement as well.

Mr. Speaker, the ladies quite eloquently, and I'll say firmly and clearly, made it very clear their challenges of staying alive in the sense of a business are being impeded by the government-imposed wage grid. Now, the wage grid may have helped some but it doesn't help all, and what it does is it boxes these daycares, that are so necessary to help and flourish and nourish our young people, that the government is getting into the business of controlling these daycares.

Now if you don't sign on, you can go at it alone, but that also comes with financial impediments and, if anything, it's perceived as there's no way to move forward if you don't. So in other words, they're boxed into a corner. If I was outside the House, I'd say ah, it's a threat of bureaucracy, but in the House, I'd say they're boxed into a corner.

Mr. Speaker, the frustrating

part is they're imposed on the grid, and they can't do their business. But even worse on that is they're told you have to work within the constraints we've created. So what are the constraints? Low money but high control, okay. So the choice of them paying their employees properly comes to them, and the government's attitude is we'll just find money by fundraising.

Well, it might be easy to set up a lemonade stand and then get a hundred bucks by the end of the week, but when we're talking about thousands and thousands of dollars, Mr. Speaker, you just can't set up a lemonade stand or sell chocolates in every case.

Mr. Speaker, the government needs to step up. If it's going to get into the financial control -- or financially in bed with the day homes and daycares, they have to have the full picture and take responsibility. So what's left? These three daycares had told me that they are at financial risk by the summer. Again, controlled and created by the government. Mr. Speaker, this is frustrating. They cannot charge extra fees. They're told they're not allowed to. They have to find it from pennies from heaven.

And when they sit there and tell me summer students are paid higher than the imposed wages, they ask themselves who is in charge and how are they really helping. Mr. Speaker, I'll have questions for the Minister later today about trying to fix, if not reverse this problem, and we can find a better way. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Shane Thompson

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, today I'm going to be talking about land transfer or title transfer. I want to draw some attention to a problem people face getting certificates of title transferred in Tlicho region.

Mr. Speaker, there are people in my riding who are living in houses on land they should rightfully own but they cannot get a certificate of title to prove their ownership. There are about over 50 members in Tlicho region. They live in a house for over 20 years with no legal title of ownership. This then would make the person or a person, people, a squatter, and this is a shame. There's over 50 of them in my region alone. Some constituents have said that their house, a house without any liens or mortgages, that they lived for years -- that they have lived in it for years which would qualify for community home repairs, is still in the name of deceased parents.

I have heard from elders who wish to transfer title for their house to family members while they are still able to do so, but they need support to navigate the system, whether that means help with the land titles office, the Department of Justice, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. Mr. Speaker, my constituents say they were told to get a lawyer to deal with these matters, but people need more directions and they need money to pay for legal fees. It's range from $10,000 to $40,000 to settle a land title claim. The land titles office does not issue leases or grant title to property. It is responsible only for the registration of ownership to privately owned surveyed land.

Mr. Speaker, I know that the Government of the Northwest Territories has different programs in place to help with these types of problems, but residents need more information and more help. Mr. Speaker, I will be preparing a written question for the Minister of Justice on this matter. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 503-20(1): Hand Games Tournaments

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Good afternoon, Colleagues. This is a statement I prepared for last fall session, but I didn't get a chance to do it.

Last summer, some of you had the opportunity to see various hand game tournaments across the NWT and are happening now. As some of you know, it is amazing to watch. You can feel the energy and excitement in the venue. The hand games were played years ago as a form of gambling among friends and different groups. Often the games were played to gamble for bullets, furs, dogs, toboggans, or match sticks. Today, hand games are played in cultural centres, gyms, community halls or outside, all over the NWT as a friendly competition fostering community pride.

The hand game is based on a simple concept of hiding and guessing of objects using elaborate hand signals and gestures to both find the object and hide the object. This is all done with the sound of the drum. Some say it is not physical, but I have seen games that last for hours and at the end, both teams are sweating and exhausted. However, winning or losing, you are grateful to compete against one another.

This past summer, a team from Fort Liard, Fort Nelson, and an elder from Fort Providence competed at the Charlie Zoe Nitsiza Hand Games Tournament in Whati. The tournament started on June 28th and finished on June 30th after midnight. There were 51 teams competing throughout the weekend. As the 51 teams battled it out throughout the weekend, we finally saw it get down to the last eight teams on Sunday evening. The team managed to stay on the A side bracket until Sunday afternoon when they were dropped to the B side bracket by the team from Deline. This added to the challenge for them getting to the final.

Fortunately, they eliminated the remaining teams on the B side to make it to the final to compete against the A side Team Deline.

The captain of the team told me about the message they got from the Deline captain, We're glad to see you in the final. Sure enough, they did meet in the final. In the end, the team came in second.The captain would like to say a big mashi cho to his teammates. It was an amazing time.

In closing, hand games are a healing sport and that is why people are attracted to it. It soothes the soul and it's reconnected you with your ancestors. Congratulations to the teams

and the teams that are competing last weekend in Fort McPherson, and I think they're competing in Deline this weekend. So thank you very much.

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Motion 46-20(1): Extended Adjournment of the House to February 25, 2025

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Shauna Morgan

Yellowknife North

I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Thebacha , that notwithstanding Rule 2.1, when the House adjourns on Thursday, February 13th, 2025, it shall be adjourned until Tuesday, February 25th, 2025;

AND FURTHER, that any time prior to February 25th, 2025, if the Speaker is satisfied after consultation with the Executive Council and Members of the Legislative Assembly that the public interest requires that the House should meet at an earlier time during the adjournment, the Speaker may give notice;

AND THEREUPON, the House shall meet at the time stated in such notice and shall transact its business as it has been duly adjourned to that time.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Question has been called. All those in favour? Opposed? Abstentions? The motion's carried.

---Carried

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Kieron Testart

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to recognize a page from the Range Lake riding today, Ahmed Saad, and it's also his birthday. So thank you for being here on this very special day. I'd also like to recognize my friend Hawa Dumbuya-Sesay, she's the executive director of the YWCA, and everyone else who's come to watch our proceedings today from that organization. You do great work in our communities, and we're happy to support you here. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

We won't embarrass him because he's not in the hall right now, but I was going to say we could sing him a happy birthday.

Recognition of visitors in the hall -- or recognition from the gallery. Well, here we go. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Let's do Great Slave.

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Kate Reid

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, I'd like to recognize several visitors in the gallery who are part of the Family Violence Shelter Network.

As mentioned, Hawa Dumbuya-Sesay, who is the executive director of YWCA-NWT; Sherri Tambour, program manager, Hay River Family Support Centre; Donna Rogers, executive director, Inuvik Transition House Society; Terry Esogak, a shelter worker, Inuvik Transition House Society; Sandra Elias, Aimayunga Women's Shelter, Tuktoyaktuk; Brenda T'seleie-Pierrot, safe home coordinator, Fort Good Hope with the YWCA; and, Amy Fraser, victim services coordinator and safe home lead from Lutselk'e First Nation, as well as their wonderful advocacy staff member from the Y, Megan Brackenburry.

Welcome today, and thank you for being with us.

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Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from the Sahtu .

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too would like to recognize Brenda T'seleie-Pierrot, the safe home worker in Fort Good Hope. Mahsi.

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Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh .

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Richard Edjericon

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too would like to welcome everyone in the gallery from thefamily violence shelter. Mahsi for being here and thank you for the good work you guys do. Mahsi.

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Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from the Deh Cho .

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Sheryl Yakeleya

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Being this is our last day, I'd like to recognize the Dene Zhatie translator Sarah Gargan and Mary Jane Cazon, as well as Hawa Dumbuya. I worked with Hawa when we worked with the Native Women's for victim services. Welcome. And also to Sherri Tambour from Hay River Reserve. Thank you.

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Thank you, Member from the Deh Cho . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Yellowknife Centre .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First I want to start off by recognizing the Mildred Hall pages. Mildred Hall is the school in the downtown of Yellowknife, and it's a wonderful school. I send both of my kids there. And the attendees of our pages from that school today are Jackson Gorman and Tyrell Cook-Gargan is a constituent of mine. As well as I'll follow the Member from Deh Cho's lead, I wish to also recognize one particular translator. She happens to be my favorite, and coincidentally a constituent, so I'm not saying that they're tied together, but Ms. Sarah Cleary. She is one of my favorite friends. Thank you very much.

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Thank you, Member from Yellowknife Centre . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Monfwi .

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Monfwi

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to acknowledge and recognize our Tlicho interpreters Maro Rose Sundberg and Jonas Lafferty. I know Jonas is probably not here with us, but my condolences for the loss of his younger brother. And all the interpreters that are here, that are working and preserving our Indigenous language. They are the language keepers, and so I would like to recognize. And we're going to be taking a week break and that we all have a safe travel. And I would like to recognize all the ladies over here from the women's society. And also I hope I get it right Elaine, Ms. Boucher.

She is the executive director for the Native Women's Association. So I hope I got the name right but she's over there smiling. So I would like to recognize her. She's a hardworking lady who is keeping the office going at the native women's office, so I just wanted to recognize her and all the other group that's there advocating for our vulnerable. Thank you.

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Shane Thompson

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Nunakput .

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Lucy Kuptana

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, it's not often I get a constituent from Nunakput here in the gallery, so I'd like to recognize Sandra, Sandra Elias, from the Aimayunga Women's Shelter in Tuktoyaktuk, so welcome Sandra and the entire shelter network. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Nunakput . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Hay River South .

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Vince McKay

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can't see anybody back there, but I heard we have a resident from Hay River up there, Sherri Tambour, so I'd like to acknowledge her. And also acknowledge once again and say thanks to our pages, acknowledge Adele Russell and Molly Campbell for being here. Thank you.

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Hay River South . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Yellowknife South .

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at least two residents of Yellowknife South here. I'm not sure, I can't see who is behind me, so I hope I don't miss anyone. But happy to recognize Nicole Sock who is a resident of Yellowknife South here in the gallery today. And, also,.we have a page here from Yellowknife South, Quinian Boettger who is joining us and offering us much assistance. I promise to send extra notes today, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Shauna Morgan

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also just wanted to acknowledge one of our pages who is from Yellowknife North, Jackson Gorman, and he's also my neighbour, so I'll just embarrass him once again. But thanks to all the pages for all your hard work this week.

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Yellowknife North . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Mackenzie Delta .

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George Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to recognize all the translators who are doing a very good job during our sittings, especially to our Gwich'in translators, Eleanor Firth and her sister -- jeez, I even forgot her name. Her sister, they both do an exceptional job there. They're young ladies that carry on the language. Her name is Karen, sorry. Welcome. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Mackenzie Delta . Recognition of visitors in the gallery.

I'd like to recognize Amy Fraser, a great advocate in Fort Simpson. She's also the chair for the DEA, hint, hint, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . She's up there. And as well as Mary Jane Cazon, our translator for Dene Zhatie from Fort Simpson.

Recognition of visitors in the gallery -- oh, sorry. Kicking it into fast gear; sorry about that. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. If we missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to your chamber. I hope you are enjoying the proceedings. It is always nice to have people in the gallery to see us work. You guys put us here, so thank you very much for the honour.

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Replies to the Budget Address, Day 6 of 7. Acknowledgements. Member from the Sahtu .

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Acknowledgement 11-20(1): Sahtu Recipients of 2024-2025 Indigenous Language Revitalization Scholarships

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me pleasure to do this acknowledgement.

Mr. Speaker, I'd like to acknowledge four Indigenous Language Revitalization Scholarship recipients for 2024-2025 from the Sahtu region --

Samantha K'ai Kenny;

Jennie Vandermeer;

Marie Speakman; and,

Karen Menacho.

-- have each received a $5,000 scholarship from the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. Thank you.

These recipients are advancing the preservation of Sahtu Dene Kede. Two currently live in the Sahtu region, while two others are Sahtu Dene Kede speakers with roots in the Deline community. Their commitment demonstrates our people's vital role in strengthening our cultural heritage.

The Indigenous Language Revitalization Scholarship supports students dedicated to language preservation in the Northwest Territories. Through their work, Samantha, Jennie, Marie, and Karen help ensure future generations' access to our ancestral languages and cultural knowledge.

Congratulations to these deserving recipients. Their work strengthens both the Sahtu region and Indigenous language preservation across the Northwest Territories. Mahsi.

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from the Sahtu . Acknowledgements. Oral questions. Member from Yellowknife Centre .

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Question 507-20(1): Implementation of the Northwest Territories Early Learning and Childcare Agreement

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to follow up on my statement which is my concerns about how daycares are paid -- or sorry, structurally paid through the grid formula created by the Department of ECE; and furthermore, Mr. Speaker, the challenge, of course, is that when a person with ten years of experience is paid less than a summer student, or even a grocery clerk, we have to start asking ourselves who are we serving in that particular thing.

Mr. Speaker, my question specifically to the Minister of education comes down to this: Given the immediacy of the urgency of the financial ability of all of these daycares, I would ask the Minister would she convene a small conference of executive directors and presidents or chairs of each society to have a conversation to hear directly their financial stresses and how they are presenting solutions that can get to solvent daycares as opposed to where they're going right now which is insolvent daycares. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Yellowknife Centre . Minister of Education, Culture and Employment .

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have the Northwest Territories Early Childhood Association which is made up of both daycares and day homes and their representatives which is in constant contact with ECE. I have also had the opportunity to meet with that organization, and my last words to them was I'm more than happy to get together anytime. I'm also more than happy to get together with daycare providers. I have had outreach now as of last night from YK Daycare Association, and any time that, for example, the YK -- sorry, the YWCA has reached out to me, I have certainly taken them up on the opportunity to sit down. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I'm asking the Minister would she convene an immediate meeting and host a discussion with them about trying to solve their financial challenges, because right now they cannot afford to keep their doors open any longer, people are turning jobs down in the Northwest Territories because they know there are no spots, and they're losing employees to other jobs because they cannot pay them outside of the wage grid. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister call for an immediate discussion with these people? Thank you.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have heard from the YK Daycare Association, and I'm very happy to meet with them. I'm very happy to meet with any organization that would like to sit down, and they also have constant access as well to ECE, to their early childhood coordinators, and I know that the director of early childhood and learning has also met with people. Thank you.

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Thank you, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Final supplementary. Member from Yellowknife Centre .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, the Minister keeps avoiding the question by saying how nice she is by saying I meet with this person and -- sure, that's great. But it's time to get the people in the room so you can hear their one major concern, the grid, and the grid it controls them, and it leads to the funding problem that they're facing.

Mr. Speaker, I ask again would the Minister call a meeting on behalf of -- or with all the daycares and their executive directors to sit down and get their one ask, help them with the wage grid? Thank you.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm not going to meet with daycares on the Member's terms. I'm going to meet with the daycares on their terms. Thank you.

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Kieron Testart

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I too would like to ask questions about our early childcare -- or early learning childcare arrangements. The Yellowknife Daycare Association is bringing concerns forward about funding. Day homes are bringing concerns about funding. I know the Minister is a passionate advocate of this. We've brought this up on the floor now. The issue is funding, there's not enough of it. How does the Minister intend to solve this problem? Thank you.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, certainly I am hearing the words of Members this week. I am hearing the words of parents. And I am hearing the words of childcare providers as well. So what I can say, Mr. Speaker, is this conversation really revolves around the regulations. The regulations were set through extensive feedback from operators. And some examples -- well, I won't get into examples of some of those things that ended up in there. What I will say, though, is that there is a commitment to review the regulations after the first year.

I understand from the Members that is there's not enough money in the system. I can acknowledge that from this House here, that acknowledgement has been made and there has been continuous beefing up, so to speak, and additions made to that budget to try to rectify that. So certainly working -- ensuring working with operators and ensuring that they understand the regulations, first and foremost, and figuring out how we can kind of work through the regulations especially that are coming from the federal government to make sure that we can keep sustainable childcare in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Kieron Testart

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last budget, we voted an additional $3.5 million to support this program, and I understand that money has not been spent. Can the Minister explain why that money is not getting out to daycare providers where we intended it to go. Thank you.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. And thank you to the Member for that question. So there was $3.5 million that was negotiated by Members in the fall of last year that was specific for daycare workers. Those dollars required the completion of the wage grid. As for the wage grid, the wage grid has a reliance on levels of education to determine where people fit within the wage grid.

And so what we were asked for through the consultations on that wage grid was to not start rolling the dollars out until people per childcare facility had completed either their certification and gotten their paperwork in, so some people weren't receiving back pay and some people were. So people will receive the back pay right through this whole fiscal year, so they won't be -- no dollars will be held back if it comes at a later date, but we wanted to respect the fact that there is consistent pay or desire for consistent pay throughout childcare facilities. Thank you.

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Thank you, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Final supplementary. Member from Range Lake .

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Kieron Testart

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know the Minister has been -- the centres are asking for that so there's consistency, and that's reasonable. But why is it taking so long to get this grid together, Mr. Speaker? We're talking about slow government. This is a year, and the money is still sitting there. So are people doing this off the side of their desk, or is this a commitment -- or is this a focus of the department to get this out and get this money spent where it needs to support families with young kids? Because that's what this money's intended for, Mr. Speaker, and it's what this House voted for. Thank you.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the wage grid is done. It's in regulation. So the process that's happening now is people are either providing their degree paperwork or their diploma paperwork and going through that certification process. People who don't have any post-secondary education are required to complete that 54-hour modularized course that the Member and I spoke of earlier in this sitting, and so there -- some people are in the process of still completing that coursework. And as we talked about earlier, ECE is happy to also support people to complete that work and help them through it. Thank you.

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Thank you, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Oral questions. Member from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh .

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Richard Edjericon

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I just want to say that education is a treaty right, and small communities do matter. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister of ECE confirm whether Aurora College or the departments are discussing transferring responsibility for learning centres to Indigenous governments and also in Fort Resolution and Lutselk'e? Thank you.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we're working with the college, as I've said before in this House, to understand their plans for future delivery of adult literacy and basic education. So part of that engagement will be communicating with Indigenous governments around future delivery of adult education to ensure that residents and communities are supported. And Indigenous governments, I can confirm again, some have reached out to both the department and I on their future use and expectation of how they'd like to see the facilities used.

So this will all kind of be part of that go-forward plan, and I really am a strong component of us being creative in what that looks like and flexible as well. Thank you.

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Richard Edjericon

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister of ECE also explain who currently owns the learning centre in Fort Resolution and Lutselk'e? Thank you.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can confirm that the community learning centre in Fort Resolution is currently owned by the GNWT. Thank you.

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Richard Edjericon

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Mr. Speaker, can the Minister also commit to using their learning centre building in Fort Resolution as a traditional knowledge learning centre, also in Lutselk'e? Thank you.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I said to the Member I'm very happy to have these conversations, but to be honest I think having these conversations are a huge opportunity for the territory in figuring out what really is needed within communities, and I'm excited to be able to kind of share with this House what that next step looks like and certainly won't be doing that in isolation on my own. This is certainly a Northwest Territories conversation and, more specifically, a community conversation, and I really look forward to having those. Thank you.

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , further to my statement.

Mr. Speaker, can the Minister advise whether the Department of ECE or the Aurora College board has considered a partnership with the department of MACA school of community government to broaden training? Mahsi.

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Vince McKay

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Having just received this report that was given to me by the Member, you know, it's an interesting concept. What I can say right now is no departments have communicated in regard to his Member's statement. Thank you.

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I apologize to the Minister in getting this request in late here. However, we can move on.

My second question, Mr. Speaker, can the Minister commit to asking the Aurora College board to consider adopting a new regional community learning centre strategy run from centres in Hay River, Fort Simpson, and Norman Wells? Mahsi.

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Vince McKay

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think this is an interesting concept. I think there's an opportunity, and there's been a few brought up over the last little while, but I think there's opportunities to use these community learning centres, and I think it's also an opportunity for my department to sit down with ECE and discuss other opportunities and maybe something comes along the lines as what the Minister's statement was getting at and the document that he provided me with earlier. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . Final supplementary. Member from the Sahtu .

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thanks to the Minister for acknowledging that we're open for advancing forward on a model designed by community participation.

My third question there, Mr. Speaker, can the Minister commit to asking the Aurora board to consider reassigning the current full-time community adult educators who previously taught at community learning centres, or CLCs, in small communities? Mahsi.

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Vince McKay

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just about had me confused too with Minister of education here, but.

Our community learning development centre specializes in a lot of municipal community government training. We specialize in -- the department specializes in the water treatment plant operating certificate, community government learning. So that's, you know, basically all we do within the community governance side so I'm interested in, you know, potentially sitting down with either departments and trying to figure out an opportunity to expand these and maybe working together with ECE to figure out how we can incorporate these. But at this time, I'm not able to basically commit to go to Aurora College board to take over these CLCs and anything like that. So thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kate Reid

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday in Committee of the Whole, the Minister of health said that this $100,000 of funding that was cut to the shelter network had to do with their ability to do online training. So my question is, does the Minister believe that training in trauma-informed practices can sufficiently be done through Zoom? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Lesa Semmler

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this funding was -- I believe has been around for a bit, and what it has been used historically was for training. Recently, most recently, this -- the portion of this funding was used to develop online training modules and so, therefore, you know, we all know in this House, you know, many of us have used virtual meeting spaces, virtual tools to do a lot of our meetings. You know, I have meetings on many things right across Canada with other health Ministers.

The other piece of this is that this work on the modules, training modules, are fully paid for, so they will be highlighted, the first two modules, and the rest of the modules are still to be developed, but that -- like I said, those are fully paid for. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kate Reid

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So the shelter network funding is used for more than training. It's also used for sector-based meetings and gatherings in person. Does the Minister believe that in-person connections for a sensitive sector such as this are not necessary? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Lesa Semmler

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My staff have just recently, as of February 7th, met with the shelter network and have reported to me that the shelter network has used this funding to have face-to-face meetings, multiple face-to-face meetings throughout the year. In recent discussion with the shelter network, the staff have confirmed that the biggest gap by the loss of this funding is around these in-person meetings. I understand that it's not ideal for face-to-face meetings. You know, we have a huge geographic territory, and the cost of moving people around in the territory has become significant.

And so trauma informed training can be appropriate for virtual environments, but the department is also committed to working with -- you know, to supporting the networks to find ways for them to support each other in their communities, within their own networks, within the community networks. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . Final supplementary. Member from Great Slave .

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Kate Reid

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So, Mr. Speaker, the building shelter capacity funding for the $100,000 that we're talking about today was not used to develop the training that the Minister talked about earlier. That's separate funding that the YWCA secured through Women's Shelter Canada.

But my question to the Minister would be that, you know, since the NWT has the second highest rate of family-based violence in the country, families turn to shelters and safe homes more than we want them to, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister commit to working with the Minister to reinstate this funding? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Lesa Semmler

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, this is a very sensitive topic for many families in the Northwest Territories, myself personally, Mr. Speaker. However, when we have funds with -- that we are supporting many NGOs throughout the Northwest Territories and many different sectors, we have -- you know, we look at how we're getting the funding. And one of the things that we've had to do is look at how we're getting funding and so, currently, the department invests $3.85 million annually to fund the family violence shelters in the Northwest Territories.

Through the department, they also fund $1.36 million to support funding to the shelters. And so, you know, there's a lot of money going into the shelters. And we can say with all of our NGOs that, yes, it's probably not enough. Every single NGO and the work that they do could use more money, you know, and I think that's the thing that we're trying to do, is we're trying to use every little federal piece of dollars that we can do, find, to support some of those NGOs.

So although, you know -- what I'd like to say is that we are continuing to find ways to work together with NGOs and to support them but, however, you know, this is the funding that has been allocated for this year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Minister of Health and Social Services . Oral questions. Member from Mackenzie Delta .

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Question 512-20(1): Remediation and Demolition of Housing Northwest Territories Units in Mackenzie Delta

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George Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further to my Member's statement, there's a number of houses that are beyond repair within the Northwest Territories specifically referring to the Mackenzie Delta ridings. Does the department know how much of these houses that are not liveable anymore that belong to Housing NWT that are situated in the three communities of the Mackenzie Delta riding? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Member from Mackenzie Delta . Minister responsible for Housing NWT .

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Lucy Kuptana

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thank you to the Member for the question. His concern is my concern because living in small community, you drive around, you walk around, you see many units within the community that are boarded up or that have no windows or busted up windows. So this is something that we are working towards as Housing NWT is working within our community, working with Indigenous governments, to either remediate or demolish or modernize these homes.

So in terms of the question from the Member, we have 293 units in the Mackenzie Delta riding. 265 are occupied. We have one that is surplused, approved for demo. We have four that are approved for sale. We have three that are ready for occupancy. Four, repairs in progress. And we have 16 that require repairs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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George Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to thank the Minister for the detailed answer. You know, we have companies within the region of Mackenzie Delta that can conduct these demolitions. Will the Minister look at acting on the concern and have these hazards removed before an accident happens? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Lucy Kuptana

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I completely agree that we need to remove many of these boarded up or derelict buildings. The situation is it's hard to get money for housing. It's even more difficult to remediate or demolish older housing units. Our budget for Housing NWT is $500,000 a year. We have 2900 units across the North. It costs up to $50,000 to remediate or demolish a unit considering the contaminants or the age of the unit, the space within the solid waste site, and sometimes we have to ship that material south. So it could be difficult but we are willing to look at partnerships. We are willing to look at arrangements. So thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Minister responsible for Housing NWT . Final supplementary. Member from Mackenzie Delta .

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George Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, it is quite hard to look at removing some of these units because of the contaminants that are in there but, you know, they work with the Indigenous governments, with these local contractors, maybe something -- we can find something out.

Can the Minister commit to a timeframe as to when these projects can commence within the Mackenzie Delta region; hopefully this calendar year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Lucy Kuptana

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I'm willing to commit to meet with the Member to discuss this further. We do have funding available. It's called the community housing initiative funding. We could work with Indigenous governments or local government or bands to look at some of these opportunities and perhaps advance them in his riding. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Minister responsible for Housing NWT . Oral questions. Member from the Deh Cho .

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Question 513-20(1): Effectiveness of Indigenous Employment Programs in the Public Service

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Sheryl Yakeleya

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further to my Member's statement, the questions, how many Indigenous employees have been hired through the career gateway program in the last fiscal year, specifically in the Deh Cho riding? Thank you.

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Deh Cho . Minister of Finance .

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd be very happy to get that breakdown of information. The career development program -- or gateway program has been quite successful. It's now went from being undersubscribed to oversubscribed which is a problem we like to have. But I don't have the numbers in front of me. I will certainly get them to the Member quite quickly. Thank you.

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Sheryl Yakeleya

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Does the Department of Finance track how many Indigenous employees enter the public service through the career gateway program tracking their progressions into senior positions in the public service? In other words, are we seeing development and succession for these employees? Thank you.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do track, again, folks who are coming in through the Indigenous Career Gateway Program. The degree to which we might be tracking their succession thereafter that, I'll have to double check, Mr. Speaker. I can say that only as recently as June of 2023, until then we did not have a formal succession plan within the human resources, not even a formal strategic plan for human resources. So I appreciate the question.

That's exactly getting to one of the things we are trying to now do, and we do now have, as I say, a succession planning document focused on ensuring that we are, in fact, bringing Indigenous employees through succession planning so that they are moving through exactly that. So I suspect we are, based on that, doing that tracking, and I'll get those numbers, assuming they're available, to the Member. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Minister of Finance . Final supplementary. Member from Deh Cho .

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Sheryl Yakeleya

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. What other approaches is the GNWT taking to reduce barriers to Indigenous recruitment and retention into the public service? Thank you.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we had launched a few years ago the Indigenous Recruitment and Retention Framework of it and that had two key goals associated with it. The one is to increase Indigenous representation, full stop, in the public service. A number of goals and a number of actions therein, everything from creating and ensuring that there's employment opportunities, that there are no barriers, speaking with the Indigenous Employees Advisory Committee about what barriers they may observe, putting in Indigenous employment plans for every department.

Different departments have different types of needs, different types of employees. ECC employees out on the ground might have very different circumstances from ITI, and wanted to get at what barriers this are for each department in not having more representation.

The second goal, Mr. Speaker, is to increase Indigenous leadership. So, Mr. Speaker, what I'd like to suggest is I'll commit to getting an update on where we are with all of those action items and have that to the Member or to the House. Thank you.

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Thank you, Minister of Finance . Oral questions. Member from Yellowknife North .

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Question 514-20(1): Child and Family Services Plan of Care Agreements

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Shauna Morgan

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services following up on my statement.

So child and family services has a category called neglect which is one basis for reporting mistreatment to CFS and sometimes results in apprehension of children from their homes. Is there a clear definition of neglect either in legislation or policy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Member from Yellowknife North . Minister of Health and Social Services .

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Lesa Semmler

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'll have to follow up with the Member. Thank you.

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Shauna Morgan

Yellowknife North

Fair enough. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do look forward to the answer on that, actually.

And with regard to plan of care agreements, they're listed as a preventative measure and yet they're increasingly used to remove children temporarily from their homes, but that can be for up to two years. So what is the Minister doing to ensure that there is proper oversight and proper legal protections for children and their families who are subject to plan of care agreements? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Lesa Semmler

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, plan of care agreements are not necessarily agreements that remove children from their home. Plan of care agreements within the child and family services are where the family agrees that child and family services will support the family. Depending on their situation, you know, I can't speak to when it's deemed necessary to remove that child from the home.

If they're -- you know, but the reason that a lot of the plan of cares have gone up is because more people are accessing support which, in my eyes, is what I've been trying to say, even as a Regular Member, is that this program should be more supportive and the way to access services within this is to meet with a child and family services worker, to be assessed, to get the support, and work with a family preservation worker. Sometimes there are, you know, situations where, you know, family members may want to better themselves and they go away, and those children stay with family members. So thank you, Mr.

Speaker.

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Thank you, Minister of Health and Social Services . Final supplementary. Member from Yellowknife North .

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