Debates of Oct. 21st, 2013

This is page numbers 2985 – 3026 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Point Of Privilege

Minister’s Statement 78-17(4): Accountability Framework

Power Generation Net Metering Program

Trout Lake School

Anti-Bullying Provisions In The Education Act

Hydraulic Fracturing Tour To Saskatchewan And North Dakota

Closure Of Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre

Standing Committee Review Of The Northwest Territories Public Accounts

Hydraulic Fracturing

Closure Of Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre

Passing Of Sahtu Resident Wilfred Henry Mcdonald

Passing Of Justin John Catholique

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

Power Generation Net Metering Program

Anti-Bullying Provisions

Hydraulic Fracturing Education Sessions

Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

Public Accounts Practices

Nursing Services In Wrigley

Committee Report 6-17(4): Report On The Review Of Bill 3, Wildlife Act

Motion To Receive Committee 6-17(4) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole

Tabled Document 123-17(4): 24th Annual Report Of The Victims Assistance Committee 2012-2013 Tabled Document 124-17(4): Annual Report On The Activities Of The Rental Office April 1, 2012, To March 31, 2013

Tabled Document 125-17(4): Business Development And Investment Corporation 2012-2013 Annual Report Tabled Document 126-17(4): Business Development And Investment Corporation 2013-2014 Corporate Plan

Tabled Document 127-17(4): Workers’ Safety And Compensation Commission Annual Report 2012

Appointment Of Conflict Of Interest Commissioner

Giant Mine Remediation

Recorded Vote

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Ecole J.h. Sissons School Renovations

Recorded Vote

Stand-Alone Aurora College Yellowknife Campus

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:31 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues. Please be seated. Ms. Bisaro .

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Point Of Privilege

Prayer

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise this afternoon on a point of privilege. I would like to speak to a point of privilege from a quote by Mr. Menicoche on Friday, October 18th . I did wait for

this opportunity to bring the point up. I wanted to check unedited Hansard. I will quote from unedited Hansard, page 35 from Friday, October 18th . Mr.

Menicoche says, “Thank you very much, Madam Chair. The media was quick up that in the capital plan there’s nothing for Yellowknife, and I’m glad.” Laughter.

I think the Hansard crew may have missed out a couple of words. I think it should say, “The media was quick to pick up that in the capital plan there’s nothing for Yellowknife, and I’m glad.”

Mr. Speaker, I want to say that I am offended by the comment from my colleague. I would like to also say that my constituents are offended and all the constituents in Yellowknife. Almost 50 percent of the population of the NWT is here and I don’t feel that that comment is one that they will take lightly.

In my view, this is against the very nature of our consensus government that we should be working together, and I don’t believe that comment indicates that we are working together and I think I will find it difficult to ensure that we work together in the future.

There is a code of conduct which all Members signed when we were sworn in to the Assembly in October of 2011. I will just quote a couple of things from the code of conduct: “As a legislator, I will do my best to fulfill my duties to the Legislature, the public, my constituents and my colleagues, with integrity and honour. To the Legislature, I owe respect. To my colleagues, I owe fairness and respect for our differences.” Those things, Mr. Speaker, I feel were contravened by the comment from Mr. Menicoche on Friday.

It’s one thing for us as Members and it’s well known that there is a bit of a competition, I guess, between Yellowknife and small communities, within the walls of this House and within the Legislature. It’s one thing for us to make these comments when we are in private when we are speaking with two or three of our colleagues, or when we’re in a committee meeting or a Cabinet meeting. It’s quite another, Mr. Speaker, to say it publicly and that’s what happened on Friday.

I think perhaps Mr. Menicoche was trying to be funny, but it was not funny. It was offensive. I would like to ask the Member to withdraw his remarks and to apologize to the Yellowknife residents of the NWT. Thank you.

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Point Of Privilege

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . To the point of privilege, Mr. Menicoche .

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Point Of Privilege

Prayer

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I take my role as MLA very seriously and when we are in the House, everything is certainly public, Mr. Speaker. But I do stand on my opinion on this matter. I regret that I have to stand in this House on a point of privilege by a Yellowknife Member and the community of Yellowknife because they were offended. I don’t believe I said anything out of the ordinary and stand by my opinion, Mr. Speaker.

Unfortunately, of all the good work we are doing together, this is not a vision I would like to see for a voice from a small community, an MLA from a small community, to be asked to withdraw his view that Yellowknife has benefited from capital expenditures over the years and, indeed, this fiscal year being proposed. I am glad that here we have a unique situation that finally our regions and communities have a major share of capital expenditures. Certainly this is my opinion and I would venture to say the sentiment of many across our great Northwest Territories. People can’t get everything all the time, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi.

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Point Of Privilege

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . I will allow some debate on the point of order. Mr. Bromley .

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Point Of Privilege

Prayer

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I side with my colleague Ms. Bisaro in this discussion. As the Speaker knows, our Members’ conduct also says we will promote the equality of all our people, distribute resources fairly and justly, and to the

public I owe the responsibility to work for the well-being of all residents of the Northwest Territories.

The Member has inferred that resources are unfairly distributed and that Yellowknife has over-benefitted. Now, he presented no data to back that up. There have been some summaries done, and I am willing to state that, in fact, on a per capita basis, there probably are more resources dedicated to those outside of Yellowknife, but that’s neither here nor there.

We need to be standing up for all residents of the Northwest Territories equally. I also have constituents who are personally offended by that statement in the House on Friday, so I seek the same recourse as Ms. Bisaro and I refute the statements by the Member Mr. Menicoche . Mahsi.

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Point Of Privilege

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . To the point of privilege. Any other comments? No comments?

My role on this point of privilege that has been raised is to determine whether or not this was at Ms. Bisaro ’s earliest convenience, which was today. Now that that point of privilege has occurred, I will take this under advisement. Ms. Bisaro and Mr. Menicoche , I will reply back to you Thursday afternoon.

I want to remind Members again, and I said it the other day, we have a unique way of dealing with business, being we are not in party politics, so we have to work together for the betterment of all the people of the Northwest Territories. We are here for them. Let’s move forward.

Item 2, Ministers’ statements. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister’s Statement 78-17(4): Accountability Framework

Ministers’ Statements

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, the Accountability Framework for Community Governments is now complete. This framework will be an important tool that will allow MACA and community government stakeholders to better coordinate our working relationship based on defined indicators that measure the health and success of community governments.

It builds on the New Deal and emphasizes the importance of responsible and responsive community governments. It provides tools, in the form of standardized key indicators and checklists to ensure they are being met, that community governments can use to assess their performance and determine what support they need.

When community governments find areas where they need help, MACA will work with them to build

capacity to deliver programs and services to their residents.

Reporting completed through the framework will help community governments anticipate problems early on. They can also use the data and reporting format to communicate with residents about their progress and successes. That information will also help the department in setting priorities for programs and training to community governments, and will play an important role in our business and strategic planning.

The department has regularly consulted and worked with partners at the Northwest Territories Association of Communities and the Local Government Administrators of the Northwest Territories.

These partner groups were invaluable in helping us refine the framework to ensure it meets the needs of community government stakeholders, so I would like to thank them for their continued assistance.

With the framework completed, we will be working with community governments on implementation. Municipal and Community Affairs staff will be delivering three regional workshops, starting in November. We want our stakeholders to know how to use the framework and how we will support them if they are having challenges carrying out their responsibilities. We are hiring new assistant regional superintendents in all regions to support community governments in the implementation of the Accountability Framework.

Good governance at the local level is integral to building sustainable, vibrant and safe communities. Through this framework, we will continue to provide community governments with the tools and support they need to respond to community priorities and manage their responsibilities effectively. We look forward to strengthening our relationships with community governments and remaining active, supportive partners.

Copies of the framework will be distributed to all Members of the Legislative Assembly in the near future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 78-17(4): Accountability Framework

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Power Generation Net Metering Program

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The NTPC standby charge has acted as an effective barrier for those who wish to install solar panels or any other forms of alternative energy.

Over the last five years, customers who generated power to their own homes using alternative energy were forced to pay a standby rate based on their generating capacity. I am pleased to say because of the hard work of Regular Members on this side of the House, as of October 1st of this year this

standby charge was removed.

We also heard this summer that NTPC drafted a proposal for the new net metering program. Net metering allows customers to use NTPC’s system to bank their power back onto the grid so they can use a credit at a later time of the year. Originally, Cabinet presented this as a thermal zone project only. However, there is a ray of sunshine out there that consensus government is appearing to work, as Cabinet responded to Regular Members’ early input on this and, as a result, standby charges are now gone and residents of both thermal- and hydro-zoned communities are now eligible to participate in this program.

It is good that Cabinet and NTPC are listening as all our communities, not just thermal zones, operate diesel generators and collectively we all pay that much more for it, both in terms of our pocketbooks and our environment.

Northerners are very interested in using alternative forms of energy. We see and feel our power bills and heating costs. We understand how destructive fossil fuel extraction is to our environment, communities and our future, and it’s long past time that we adopt real efficiencies and reduce our ecological footprint.

Net metering is a great opportunity for Northerners to think globally and act locally. Customers who have the gumption to install their own solar and wind generators should get full credit for what they produce, as similar initiatives have paved the way in other parts of the world. The Northwest Territories should not rest on their laurels now. We should be pushing the envelope even further to stay ahead of the pack when it comes to incentives for renewable energy.

Power rates are only going to go up, and customers throughout the Northwest Territories need some relief. The majority of us who want to install self-generating power systems are simple wage earners, taxpayers, and supporters of our local economy. A photovoltaic system, or PV for short, or any form of generation unit involves a significant outlay of cash. More people would be willing to make that investment if they knew it would pay for itself a little more each month and make an immediate difference to their power bill.

Not everyone will, or can, subscribe to this program, but those who do, this government needs to give them all the credit they deserve. They are not only doing something for themselves, they’re also benefiting their communities, the environment,

and the common good of all. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Power Generation Net Metering Program

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Trout Lake School

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. As previously mentioned in this House in many of my Member’s statements, the people of Trout Lake need a stand-alone school.

Officially known as Charles Tetcho School, the school is currently housed in a multi-purpose building. The building is also used as a community hall. The school portion essentially consists of a single classroom. For the number of students, the school is overcrowded and the facilities are inadequate. The Minister of Education has toured the school with me, so he has witnessed the problems firsthand.

Trout Lake has grown in size in recent years and school enrollment has grown with it. Enrollment is expected to remain steady, or even increase in the coming years.

In terms of the quality of school facilities, there’s a wide discrepancy between urban centres and small communities. This is simply unfair.

All students deserve a quality education facility, regardless of where they live. These concerns should be considered in light of the department’s explicit and well-publicized objective to eliminate the achievement gap between Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal students. The community is reaching out for help. As the MLA responsible for Trout Lake, I’m also seeking support from colleagues and decision-makers.

One proposed option is to expand the school portion within the community complex. However, that would limit space for community activities. I am pleased to say, since then there has been agreement by the community to increase the area being used by the school, but once again it means less community space for local programming.

This is like a band-aid remedy. Upgrades don’t address the fundamental problems. The school isn’t large enough and it has no room for future growth. By the year 2018 there will probably be improvements to the school infrastructure, but we have no assurance of that. In any case, five years is too long a wait.

A planning study should be undertaken for a stand-alone school. Residents are not asking for a super-school, only for a school that will begin to level the playing field for Trout Lake residents and students. Thank you.

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Trout Lake School

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Anti-Bullying Provisions In The Education Act

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The government Department of Education, Culture and Employment has brought forward amendments to the Education Act, in response to a motion passed by this House almost two years ago, February of 2012. I’m very pleased that the government took notice of the request from Regular Members and subsequently took action to bring legislation forward. I do have concerns, however, with the legislation that’s presented.

Bullying is an issue throughout our society. It is not confined to our education system and our schools. As stated by an expert on bullying from Simon Fraser University, dealing with the problem requires politicians to not develop a one-size-fits-all approach.

Bullying perhaps affects our youth the most, but it occurs in our workplaces, as well, and it occurs both in and outside our schools. This legislation and these proposed amendments to the Education Act deal only with schools and should be considered nothing more than a start to combating bullying. It’s also recognized by experts and non-experts alike that legislation cannot be the only action we take to combat bullying. Members of this House recognized it in the motion we passed.

It calls for the GNWT to “establish a territory-wide campaign to denounce bullying, including cyber-bullying, and to provide information and resources for schools, parents, victims and bystanders.” If we approve this bill amending our Education Act, it will have no effect unless we also run a significant awareness campaign.

In early August of this year, Nova Scotia’s cyber-bullying legislation came into effect. Even the Nova Scotia Justice Minister acknowledged “that this law and this legislation we put forward here isn’t the panacea for this issue.”

The question is often asked, and is as yet unanswered, can cyber-bullying laws really work. I say not on their own they can’t. To be effective, in addition to legislation, they must also have an awareness and education campaign. More importantly, we must have programs to address the root causes of bullying. There must be help for the victim, of course, but there must be help for the bully and his or her family as well.

Lastly, Mr. Speaker, we will not be effective in our battle to defeat bullies unless we develop broader legislation, legislation which addresses bullying wherever it occurs in our society, at school, at work, at home or at play.

I am glad the Minister of Education brought forward these amendments, but they must be considered as

a first step towards combating bullying, not the last one. Thank you.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Hydraulic Fracturing Tour To Saskatchewan And North Dakota

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I joined the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment and colleagues in a recent tour of the fracking fields of Saskatchewan and North Dakota. We were joined by leaders from the Sahtu, as well as ITI and ENR staff. We learned a lot and I am pleased that there is much interest from the public and the media in hearing our impressions.

I was invited, this past weekend, to speak to a local

chapter of the Council of Canadians and a group of concerned citizens during an organized global day event of protest against fracking. Titled “Global Frack-Down,” the event called for a ban on fracking because people think it is inherently unsafe.

It included gatherings of concerned citizens in Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Bulgaria, Costa Rica, Czech Republic, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Lithuania, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Poland, Romania, Senegal, South Africa, Spain, Switzerland, Tunisia, Ukraine and the United Kingdom, and 26 states and many communities across Canada. Obviously, people who have questions on fracking should not feel alone. Many countries and regions have banned the practice.

Fracking is not banned in North Dakota. Our tour was busy and informative, with meetings from morning until night with industry, regulators, legislators and First Nations. It was also very one-sided, with little on the environmental and social side. Granted, it takes specific direction to find and hear such perspectives.

Consider these examples: Though North Dakota has over 800 open produced water pits, we did not visit one. We did not hear about them, nor did we learn about the 25 percent that overflowed, with an abnormally high rainfall event this spring.

We visited the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation. The leaders were hospitable and informative, but there was no mention of the fracked well blowout on the reserve last winter which sprayed oil and unknown fracking chemicals into the air and into Lake Sakakawea, part of the Missouri River.

Local media and even inspectors covered that one up. Nobody wanted to get in the way of the oil companies who are making billions, but also paying the reservation $25 million per month and climbing.

Finally, while on our tour, one of the largest ever oil spills on U.S. soil was happening in the area and no one mentioned a thing about it.

I would like to get into my concluding paragraph, so I seek unanimous consent from my colleagues to complete my statement. Mahsi.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Hydraulic Fracturing Tour To Saskatchewan And North Dakota

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Though one-sided, many people spoke candidly, saying look out, there is a freight train barrelling down on us. They have been overwhelmed with the demands of fracking put on local infrastructure and they said you must get prepared ahead of time. This means hundreds of millions of dollars for the installation of pipelines for oil, for gas, to supply fresh water and to take away the dirty water, a permanent network of roads, housing for big influxes of workers, and so on.

I am doing a little mini-series on fracking, so I will be continuing on this subject. As I said, we learned a lot and I will have more to share on this in the coming days. I will have questions for the Minister. Mahsi.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Closure Of Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to talk today about the Nats'ejee K'eh Treatment Centre, which used to operate on the K’atlodeeche First Nation just across the river from Hay River.

Some of my colleagues have referred to this in the House already, and this weekend I had an opportunity to read a post on Facebook, which said, “Where are the Hay River MLAs? Why aren’t they saying something about it?” So this is my chance today to say something about it.

I thought I had already said some things about it. I have already met with the deputy minister and Mr. Andrew Langford, who came down to Hay River to meet with our local Metis government. I had spoken to the mayor and council about this. I spoke with the Chamber of Commerce about this, but I guess I haven’t spoken in a place where everybody could hear what I have to say on the record. That is why I take this opportunity today in my Member’s statement to talk about it.

I was there in the beginning of the Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre. I was at the airport when I saw Pat Martel, John Pollard and a group of people all off on a mission to lobby the Government of the Northwest Territories to build a treatment centre on the Hay River Reserve. So I have been there kind of from the beginning.

The Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre was the vision of a group of people, and some of these folks had been serving on the board up until very recently. A lot of the vision of that treatment centre

revolved around a spiritual, cultural, traditional approach to addressing addictions. That was well and good. The building was built to reflect that as well. It did serve its purpose for many years, but things change and things evolve. The facility became unionized. It is a strange piece of infrastructure in that it is a GNWT-owned facility located on a reserve, managed by a health authority some 600 kilometres away in Fort Simpson that does fall under the Deh Cho Health Authority. It was a bit of a strange anomaly as it was managed.

Things, as I say, do evolve. Addiction evolved. The facility evolved. Addictions now, if you can believe pictures on Facebook, have the ability to give people flesh-eating and bone-eating disease, if you can believe that; but things have really changed. A lot of the vision of the original forerunners on this project was not deliverable at this facility. The Department of Health and Social Services…

Could I have unanimous consent to conclude my statement?

---Unanimous consent granted

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Closure Of Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

The cultural and traditional diversity of many of our regions in the territory also came into play, because you can’t just take one set of cultural practices and traditions and apply it to everybody who is supposed to come to a territorial facility on the Hay River Reserve, so that caused some issues as well.

The facility is closed. The contract has ended. For the record, I did not appreciate not knowing about it, because there were many people who are from Hay River who worked there. I didn’t appreciate that.

However, it is now a new day. It is time to move on. It is time to work with the government and the department to find out what that facility can be re-profiled as, and to look at the many good recommendations of the Minister’s Forum on Addictions and find out how we can best use those resources to address a very, very challenging need in our territory, that of addictions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Closure Of Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Standing Committee Review Of The Northwest Territories Public Accounts

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the short time that I have been here, two years, the time has flown by so fast. One of the practices that we do within one of our committees is that of public accounts. The NWT doesn’t actually have a public accounts committee, and that responsibility goes to

the Government Operations committee of the Northwest Territories.

In March of 2013, this past year, we had the opportunity of having a public accounts practice with the Comptroller General of the NWT, where we sit down and we go through the consolidated and non-consolidated reports for the GNWT, where it really comes down to the financial accountability of the Northwest Territories and how dollars are spent within this government. It was almost a practice that was done backwards, where we did the public accounts practice after we approved a main estimates budget and operations budget for the GNWT. That needs to be addressed on a better situation within this government.

Members of the Government Operations committee had the opportunity over the last year and a half since we have been elected into this House, to go and get some training, to go to these conferences and meet with public accounts committee members whose sole job is to keep the government accountable. It was an eye-opener for me as a new legislator, and I’m sure it was an eye-opener for a lot of members from the Government Operations committee who were able to attend this conference.

What it comes down to is we have to do things better within this government. It talks about being accountable for the dollars that this government spends, but doing it in a practice where we get the reports before we make the decisions on how these dollars are spent. Usually, like I said, what we’ve seen is that it has kind of been a backwards practice after we have approved the dollars. Sometimes you go and say, well wait, this department didn’t spend their dollars properly.

What we’ve also got to do is, in the future, not only question the Comptroller General, but we’ve got to start looking at bringing more witnesses to the table. I know this government has contribution agreements with district education authorities, health authorities, Aurora College, all these organizations, where we give them millions and millions of dollars without seeing the programs and how those dollars are spent.

I commend the work that the Government Operations committee has done, and continue to support the work that they do in bringing all departments and witnesses forward to make sure that our dollars are spent wisely. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Standing Committee Review Of The Northwest Territories Public Accounts

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Hydraulic Fracturing

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like my colleague Mr. Bromley , I too wish to speak about fracking and concerns that continue to march on.

We’ve recently seen the uprising and the protest in New Brunswick. Even across the three territories, we saw marching of Northerners expressing their views. I always welcome the views, both those I obviously support and, of course, I always welcome the views that I don’t necessarily agree with. It gives me a chance to learn all sides of the equation.

Although I have yet to find the point where I make up my mind whether I fully will support hydraulic fracturing or not, I will tell you that this government needs to ensure that we develop good policy that enshrines every bit of protection to Northerners and northern landscapes into regulation long before we let any more fracking happen.

We must not march forward with the momentum of opportunity and forget about what damage we can cause. Things to think about are well integrity, from the design to the construction to the testing. We must make sure these things are considered in the public policy design. Chemicals going in... We’ve often heard about the registry that talks about making sure that everyone knows what chemicals are used.

Often you’ll hear the saying from the industry, “Well geez, that’s everything in the kitchen that you’ll find underneath your sink.” Well, I can tell you, I’m not going to drink some of the stuff under my kitchen sink, and I can tell you most Northerners will be skeptical about how safe it is as well.

Fracking fluid can come in many forms, be it water, oil or gas, but whatever fracking mechanism we choose to use as Northerners, if we choose this to happen, let it be chosen by Northerners, not by the industry.

When we were in Saskatchewan on the fracking tour, we heard from their chemical engineers about making sure that you’re well aware that it’s not just the chemicals that come out of the ground that are pumped out, but how do they change over time; time, pressure and heat. These are all consequential things that happen that not a lot of people put a lot of concern behind. Quality of water, quantity of water, full disclosure, things like safe disposal of all chemicals. There cannot ever be enough monitoring of these types of things.

Although time is marching on for my Member’s statement today, I will tell you time should not march ahead of us on this particular problem. We must heed the words given by Stephen Covey, which is, “Let us begin with the end in mind.” So if Northerners want fracking, Northerners accept fracking, make sure it happens the way Northerners want it. Thank you.

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Hydraulic Fracturing

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Closure Of Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, the scope of addictions and problems are widely known. It’s practically an epidemic. That is disgraceful.

In our territory, 32 percent of residents are heavy drinkers, a figure twice the national average. Alcohol and drug-related hospitalizations are widespread and expensive. Beyond frequent hospitalizations for extreme detoxification, there are injuries from falls and physical violence, and longer-term conditions such as liver disease, heart disease and stroke. Eighty-five percent of crimes are related to alcohol or drug abuse. The courts are congested and the jails are filled. It boggles the mind to consider the social and financial costs.

Our people keep demanding better service, and rightly so. They should not have to fly south for residential treatment. They should receive care from specially trained alcohol and drug workers, not generic mental health workers. Their option should extend to on-the-land treatment programs.

I know I am not the only one tired of seeing the government take baby steps or even backward steps. What is needed is a giant leap forward. With the right kind of help, our people can heal from addictions. Thank you.

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Closure Of Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Passing Of Sahtu Resident Wilfred Henry Mcdonald

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. An elder said, sometimes you just gotta live. That elder was Wilfred Henry McDonald. With the passing of this elder, over the past weekend I had the opportunity to go to the Sahtu and be with the people in the Sahtu, in Fort Good Hope, Deline, Colville Lake, Tulita and Norman Wells, in honouring the wisdom of our elders who lived on our land.

The Sahtu came together this past weekend because of the generosity and the wisdom of Wilfred Henry McDonald, in paying their last respects to this elder.

Wilfred Henry McDonald was born on July 17, 1935, to Ernest Roy McDonald and Cecilia Karkagee at Good Hope Bay on the shores of Great Bear Lake. His younger life was spent there with his parents and siblings. They harvested and trapped the land. During the summers he and his

family spent time in Tulita, visiting with family and friends.

Wilfred had a big heart and a winning smile. He lived on the land for 27 years. He was a skilled bushman, carpenter and gardener. When you go to Oscar Creek, you will see why I say these words. Wilfred lived there. He lived a simple life. Culture is the key to our survival as people, and Wilfred lived this culture all his life. He loved living on the banks of the Mackenzie River close to Oscar Creek. This was his kingdom. He marked his area out with carving “W” on the trees around his cabin so he could tell people that this was his territory.

Like I said, there were many people who came for the family of Wilfred, and the family is very appreciative of the Sahtu kindness. They say that when one passes away, you see the wealth of one’s life by the number of people who showed up to say thank you to Wilfred.

On behalf of myself, the family and the Sahtu, we thank you, Wilfred, for keeping our lives rich with your stories, and the culture strong by continuing living in the bush as a true bushman in the Sahtu.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Passing Of Justin John Catholique

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to send my deepest condolences to the family and friends of the late Justin John Catholique of Lutselk’e.

Justin passed away in his home on July 25th of this

year. A funeral service was held in his memory on August 3rd .

Justin was born October 11, 1981. He was only 32 years old. Justin attended Lutselk’e Dene School, also participating in training programs offered in the community for small periods of time, where he learned valuable skills such as small engines and mechanics.

Justin lived in his own log house across from his father. He was a loving, caring, hardworking, natural mechanic. He did not have an opportunity to marry or have children, yet he provided for his nieces and nephews by helping take care of them and he loved them very much.

Justin was a natural hunter and trapper. When winter came, he was always ready to set traps and go hunting. He was always ready to share with the elders and the community. He lived in the bush for periods of time, sometimes all winter. Justin also participated in community hunts and assisted students when they went out on the land on school trips. He taught students valuable bush skills and how to survive on the land. He spoke Denesoline

language fluently and always spoke Denesoline to his people.

Justin was predeceased by his grandmother, the late Annie Catholique; and grandfather, Gerome Catholique, both of Lutselk’e. The late Annie Catholique was famous for her midwifery skills and delivered many children during her time. Justin is survived by his father, Charlie Catholique; his mother, Verna Catholique; and siblings Shawn, Sheldon, Shawna and Jeremy.

Again, I pass my deepest condolences on to Justin’s father, mother, brothers, sisters and many nieces, who Justin loved very much. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Passing Of Justin John Catholique

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Thoughts and prayers go to the McDonald and Catholique families from the Assembly. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Beaulieu .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to acknowledge a group of fourth year Bachelor of Science Nursing Program students and their instructor, Ms. Jodi Brennan, from Aurora College. Please welcome to the gallery the following nursing students: Kendall Gall, Kyla Larocque, Jocelyn Apps, Valisa Aho, Sasha Budd, Merrill Cooper, Axelle Kearnan-Carbonneau, Lori-Ann King, Violca Memedi, Lindsay Ohrling, Megan Paul, Carolyn Ridgely, Diedralee Roy and Tanya Silke.

Nursing is a valuable profession in the Northwest Territories, and I hope each student will find a rewarding career in one of our health authorities. I wish you all the very best in your continued studies. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Mr. McLeod.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Kyla Larocque. Mr. Beaulieu just recognized her. Kyla just got married in April. Welcome to the gallery. I wish you and your colleagues best of luck as you pursue your nursing careers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Moses .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to welcome a resident from our community of Inuvik, Kyla Larocque, and congratulate her on her studies and the fourth year of nursing. All the fourth year Bachelor of Science nursing students, welcome and good luck in your studies. I look forward to having you as part of the working force of the GNWT in the future. Thank you.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . I would like to welcome everybody here in the public gallery today. Thank you for taking an interest. To the fourth year students, thank you for doing what you are doing, because you are going to be helping a lot of people in the future. Thank you so much.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 341-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

Oral Questions

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am going to use the occasion today to ask questions to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources . I understand that the department is developing a fracking policy, or I should say potentially developing a policy on hydraulic fracking here in the Northwest Territories.

Before we ask specifics about the policy, when will a policy be developed so Members can see it? Is the Minister committed to bringing this policy public at the same time so all members of our territory can have a look at it as to what the government is thinking along the lines of this initiative? This way we can help diagnose if this is an initiative that Northerners want and under what type of conditions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 341-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 341-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

Oral Questions

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The government has been working on a guidance document in a draft form. Initially we started with encouragement from the committee. We have worked with the regulator. We have come up with the draft copy that is now on its way to committee. It is going to capture some of the best practices that we think are critical as we look at the use of unconventional hydraulic fracking that has taken place in the territory and where we anticipate in the central Mackenzie and the Sahtu, it’s going to be a practice that is going to have to be managed carefully.

We’ve worked to come up with that, and that will be going to committee. We’ll be awaiting committee feedback, after which we will make the draft document public and we’ll also be sharing with industry for their feedback. Thank you.

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Question 341-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

Oral Questions

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

On the recent hydraulic fracturing tour that Member Bromley referenced, that we had gone with the Minister and many others, we had heard from Saskatchewan officials, one in particular – I believe he was a bioengineer of some sort or a biochemist – and he put great emphasis on the quality of the water being used and the fact that they’re not monitoring the fracking fluids that go in and come out. In their case, yes, they agreed that

they go in and then much of it comes out, but they don’t know where it goes after that.

I suggested, well, why don’t we put tracers or markers in these things so we have what’s called quality assurance programming, so we know what’s happening, and when something does happen, we can trace it back to where the problem is. But the way it stands in Saskatchewan, nobody knows.

I guess my question, if I may sort of pull it together, is simply this: What type of quality assurance monitoring programs will be developed in this fracking policy, and has the policy looked hard enough to ensure that the water monitoring and quality assurance is there, to ensure Northerners are safe and protected? Thank you.

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Question 341-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

As I’ve indicated, this guidance document, in draft form, has been worked on for quite some time and we are specifically sending it to committee for their review and their feedback. So we’re not in the position, since the Member hasn’t seen the document yet, to have that discussion.

It is on its way to committee and we will look forward to having that feedback and discussion with them on a go-forward basis. Thank you.

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Question 341-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

I appreciate the Minister’s answer. I think what’s important here today in the dialogue, are these are some of the concerns we’re going to build on, and certainly we want Northerners to give us feedback.

Earlier today it was talked about the Bakken. There was a rupture in the pipeline and 20,000 barrels of crude had spilled. For two weeks no one was informed. That was almost the exact same time this study tour was there.

One of the things that had arisen when we were in Alberta last year, talking to the BC regulators and the Alberta regulators, is about full disclosure of information.

I ask the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources : Is there a context being considered about a public registry to ensure full disclosure of information from the start to the finish, be it accidents or chemicals or process, to ensure that the public is fully aware what’s happening? I’m going to ask him, are they contemplating a public registry.

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Question 341-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, we have pulled together a guidance document that captures best practices, and we are looking forward to the feedback from committee, once they’ve had a chance to review it. It contains a whole host of such practices and we will look forward to whatever advice they can give us. Thank you.

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Question 341-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 341-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recognizing a point that this is going to be before committee and it’s tough for the Minister to answer all the questions, the one thing I would notice is clear contrast between North Dakota and even Saskatchewan, in this case, and the Northwest Territories is public land ownership versus private land ownership. One of the things they can’t seem to get control of is pace of development. It seems they’re in such a hurry to get it out of the ground, and it’s focused around the interests of these oil companies.

My question for the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources is: What type of mechanisms does he envision to help us control the pace of development, so if this is the path we choose, we go at a northern pace designed around what Northerners want and definitely what Northerners expect? Thank you.

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Question 341-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

We have, and we are going to be taking over April 1st , a lot of the

authorities through the Devolution Agreement. We have an environmental assessment process that is in place. There are further regulatory adjustments being made. We have a close working relationship with the Aboriginal governments across the Northwest Territories, especially in the Sahtu where this oil play is taking place.

As a government, we have a stated commitment as we go forward, to this balance between economic development and protecting the environment, which we hold very clear as a priority. So when you combine all of those things and we’re going to work with committee on feedback on this guidance document, for example, I think we have the pieces in place to manage this development as we have managed other developments in the past effectively, and we have learned very clearly from some of the things that have happened in the past; for example, some of the other mining developments. As it comes to oil and gas, we are working very diligently to make sure we’re prepared and ready. Thank you.

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Question 341-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today as a complement to my Member’s statement earlier today on net metering and what huge opportunity this has portrayed with Northerners to think globally and to really act locally. We have an opportunity here as a government to make sure that those customers who have taken this risk, that they get full benefit of their investments, and in doing so, we have an opportunity as a government to make sure that we are staying ahead of the pack with

incentives and opportunities for those people who deal with self-generation power initiatives.

So my questions today are for the Minister who is in charge of the Northwest Territories Power Corporation. To the Minister: Do we know what the actual kilowatt credit dollar amount will be for customers that NTPC will give back to residents that want to put electricity back onto the grid and will there be any difference between a thermal or a hydro zone? Thank you.

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Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The Minister responsible for NWT Power, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The intent is to provide a reimbursement of the retail rate for the kilowatt hour alternative energy that’s generated and supplied back to the grid. Thank you.

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Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you. So what we’re hearing from the Minister is we’re going to be giving a retail rate back. I guess to put things in perspective, how close is that to the production costs to us as an organization to this rate? Is there a difference, or is the retail rate pretty close to what it would cost to produce that rate? Thank you.

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Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. If the Member is interested, we can pull together what we think the cost will be on a community-by-community basis for the two zone bases, the thermal zone and the hydro zone. But clearly it’s not going to be the full cost that the Power Corporation has to pay to generate hydro, so the retail rate would be different. Thank you.

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Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

I welcome that information. I’m sure Members of the committee would recommend that it get that as well.

It is documented in some jurisdictions that net metering credits that customers receive are sometimes in the order of two to three times higher than the standard kilowatt base rate, or we heard today is retail rate. Was this something that was discussed as an opportunity, as an incentive for people to put money into solar power? Thank you.

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Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The rate of power already has a significant subsidy from the government. In addition, we have a significant number of rebate programs that are encouraging people to invest in alternative energy, be it biomass, solar, even wind, buying new stoves, buying the equipment that they need to get engaged in the production of the alternative energy. But there’s no other specific subsidy that’s attached to this net metering. Thank you.

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Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess what we’re trying to do here is think of ways or

incentives so that we can entice those people to start making the investment, because it is very expensive and we do appreciate the money that we do give. But has the GNWT talked about any other type of financial incentives to go alongside what is currently available federally, as potentially consumer-friendly loans, remissible grants, tax credits, or even rewards programs for those who want to take advantage of the self-power opportunities? Thank you.

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Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. When net metering was initially looked at, the focus was to entice and encourage folks in the thermal community, where the costs are very, very significantly higher than the hydro zone. We’ve built this array of supports, but the issue of the taxation, of loans, those types of things have not been considered. We have to wait and see how it works in the hydro zone where we’ll, in effect, be exchanging one type of renewable energy for another as opposed to the thermal zone where we know we’re going to be replacing diesel with solar or wind, whatever other alternative energy is used. Thank you.

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Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to address my questions today to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . I want to follow up on my statement where I talked about the amendments to the Education Act. I stated in my statement that the issue of bullying and cyber-bullying is not just an issue that belongs within the Education department or within our schools. It is a societal issue.

I’d like to know from the Minister whether or not – albeit I’m glad that we have these amendments going forward – the Minister and or other departments within the government are considering plans for other legislation. I’d like to ask the Minister how he intends to address bullying in the workplace, for instance. Thank you.

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Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Since there was a request by the standing committee of this Legislative Assembly, we’ve initiated our own research and conducted various analyses, and I’ll say engaged the general public, as well, and also the standing committee went out to seek information and input from the general public. The legislation and Safe Schools Plan have been developed through this process. It is an area

that pertains to my Education portfolio, where we’re going to be amending our Education Act.

When we talk about territorial-wide, it’s beyond my mandate. What we’re focusing on is the Education Act alone because it pertains to the schools and the teachers that we’re responsible for. If it’s beyond the other departments, I’m working closely with the Justice department, as well, if that’s the case, to initiate the process. We are working closely with the standing committee on those changes as we move forward. Mahsi.

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Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. I didn’t hear an answer to my question there, except I think it was a no. But the Minister said that the amendments that have been developed are dealing with stuff that falls within his department, but I’m sure that this issue was discussed at Cabinet before the amendments were brought forward. So I still put the question out there: How is this government going to address workplace bullying, because it does exist there, and how is this government going to address bullying that happens outside of our schools?

One of the things that is quite evident when you look at the literature around bullying, is that bullying is the result of a problem; that an individual has a difficulty, that they have run into some kind of maybe it’s a mental health issue or another issue, and it needs to be addressed. The root causes of bullying are something which are not really spoken about.

I’d like to ask the Minister what are in the plans of the Education department if these amendments are passed. What are the plans of the department to address the root causes for victims, for bullies and for bystanders? Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. This is, I believe, in my view, a gradual step towards dealing with the bullying issue in our schools. Also, working with the Justice department, because the Justice department works closely with the federal government, whether it be the cyber-bullying, there’s other legislation within the Justice department that we need to work closely with.

At the same time, in 2003 we established the NWT Safe Schools Working Group that consists of DEAs, DECs, NWTTA, MACA, the Human Rights Commission, Health and Social Services and Justice. This is an active committee that is engaged when we talk about the whole legislation. Also, the territorial Safe Schools Action Plan has been developed through this process. So if we’re talking beyond the schools, then that’s out of my mandate. My mandate is to deal with the Education Act and make some amendments to that, and I need to work closely with the Justice department when we talk about other department jurisdictions, because we have to deal with the Human Resource department as well. Thank you.

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Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I am, unfortunately, dismayed to hear the Minister say, not in my backyard. I would hope that he, as a Minister, that if bullying is important to him, that he would push it with the other Ministers and bring forward some legislation to address the bigger issue of bullying.

One of the things, though, that was in the motion which the House passed in February of 2012, part of the motion spoke to an education and awareness campaign. It was asked for and it was intended to be territory-wide.

I would like to ask the Minister what plans are in place to put in place an education and awareness campaign on bullying and cyber-bullying. Thank you.

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Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

To deal with the bullying in schools, it is very important to us. We need to eliminate the bullying in schools. As the Minister responsible for Education , it is very important to me.

With respect to the media, how we are going to correspond and the communications plan for education awareness, we are moving forward on those action plans. We need to develop communication tools so we can work with the DECs, MACA, the Justice department, Health and Social Services and other departments that are responsible for their

part in this as well. We are doing what we can to deal with the bullying in our schools and also in our communities. Mahsi.

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Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Colleagues, before we go on today, I would like to recognize Mr. Gerald Gerrand in our House today, our Conflict of Interest Commissioner, who is in the gallery with us today. Welcome, Mr. Gerrand.

---Applause

And with him is Mr. David Jones of Edmonton. Welcome to the Assembly, Mr. Jones.

---Applause

Thank you. Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Minister for his response. Unfortunately, I didn’t hear in there that we have plans for a territorial-wide campaign to educate not just the schools but the people outside the schools, parents, people in the workplace and so on.

I would like to ask the Minister, he says that there is a communications plan being developed, he talked about a couple of other things that are being developed, I would like to know from the Minister when we can see this communications plan or awareness plan or whatever it is going to be. When are we going to see that rolling out? Thank you.

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Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. When it comes to bullying, we have to hear from the students, so we are developing an awareness

campaign that will give a voice to the students themselves, and also speaking about the truth and the hurt involved when people are bullied. So these are some of the areas that we are moving forward on, on awareness. With respect to dates, I will have to get back to the Member on the exact date that it will be distributed.

Again, we are working with different departments and different organizations, because when we talk about bullying, it is very broad, so we are moving forward on this through our Education Act amendments. Mahsi.

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Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 344-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Education Sessions

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment . I was just informed this morning that ITI is putting on fracking education workshops in Norman Wells and Fort Good Hope this afternoon and tomorrow. These workshops have been, apparently, planned for a long time and yet I have just learned of them today.

I am wondering what role the Ministers of the Environment and Education might have had in developing these workshops. I am wondering: Could the Minister please explain the purpose of these education sessions? Mahsi.

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Question 344-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Education Sessions

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you Mr. Bromley . Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 344-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Education Sessions

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a lot of misinformation out there when it comes to hydraulic fracturing, and the Northwest Territories is no different.

It has been suggested many times that we do more community meetings and workshops when it comes to hydraulic fracturing. At the suggestion of the community of Fort Good Hope, who wanted a third-party workshop to be set up in the communities in the Sahtu – the Member mentioned the communities of Norman Wells and Fort Good Hope – this week. We are also hoping to have meetings take place in Deline and also Tulita. The meeting in Fort Good Hope, folks from Colville Lake will be brought in to that meeting, as well, this week.

It is not a sales pitch by industry. It is being carried out by a third party, a neutral third party. The Indian Resources Council will be delivering the workshop. The more education we can do on the hydraulic fracturing here in the Northwest Territories, the better off we will be.

The Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment is fully committed to ensuring people have all the information when it comes to hydraulic

fracturing here in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thanks to the Minister for that response. The Indian Resource Council, of course, is a group that represents oil-producing First Nations. It is not likely that we will get a balanced view from them either. I know that ConocoPhillips is a partner in presenting these workshops, according to the Minister’s information.

Fracking will have wide-ranging impacts in the Northwest Territories, but I totally agree that it is important for the people of the Sahtu to learn more about what is being planned for their region. It is their land and communities that will be most affected, but in looking at the agenda and speakers, I see that the one-sided tour we had in North Dakota is continuing in the Sahtu.

Could the Minister please explain why the people hired to conduct these sessions are all representatives of oil producers, and how the people of the Sahtu are supposed to make informed decisions when they are not being given the full story? I admit it takes effort to get everybody to the table, all perspectives to the table. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

We needed a neutral third party, and I have to disagree with Mr. Bromley ’s assertion that the Indian Resources Council is not a neutral third party. They were brought in at the request of the community of Fort Good Hope and the leadership in the community of Fort Good Hope. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I understand that the oil companies are hoping to make a lot of money from fracking in the Sahtu, so they can afford to pay for educational workshops and make everything look so rosy, but the government’s role here is to make sure that people have the best information.

Can the Minister confirm that GNWT funds were used to pay for these workshops and that similar funding is available to bring in people who are not industry lobbyists? Mahsi.

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Question 344-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Education Sessions

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

The Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment would have helped communities fund these workshops that have been much anticipated in the Sahtu. For a detailed breakdown of costs and who is paying for what, I will make a commitment today to get the Member that information. Certainly, we have been looking for partners to help pay for these workshops. That is how we have gone about this, is partnerships, and if that’s with industry and communities, that’s how we are going to continue to pursue getting people the education that they need when it comes to making an informed decision about hydraulic fracturing here in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Question 344-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Education Sessions

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 344-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Education Sessions

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I really do appreciate that the people of the Sahtu and the people of the Northwest Territories need to be better informed about fracking. We need to consider the economic, social and environmental benefits very carefully.

When will the people of the Sahtu and NWT have an opportunity to hear about the social and environmental impacts and make informed decisions about what is best for their communities? Will the Minister sponsor a public forum on fracking that will include balanced information on both the positive and negative potential impacts? Mahsi.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Anything we do in that regard would have to be done in conjunction with my colleague Minister Miltenberger , the Department of Environment and Natural Resources, and we would certainly look at getting the information out there. If it is hosting another community education symposium or workshop, call it what you will, that is what we want to see happen. We need to continue to get the misinformation off of the table and the real facts put squarely on the table. Thank you.

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Question 344-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Education Sessions

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 345-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are to the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment on the hydraulic fracturing in the Sahtu.

We have certainly heard Members from this side talk about going into the Bakken and seeing the activity. In North Dakota there were guns blazing toward hydraulic fracturing, so I want to ask the Minister in regards to what we saw in southeastern Saskatchewan and in North Dakota. What are some of the big differences between what is happening there and what potentially could happen in the Sahtu in regards to the jurisdictions and regulations?

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, what we heard resoundingly in both southeastern Saskatchewan and North Dakota is that if people could do it all over again, they have the ability to plan and get ready for the development. That is what we have here. We have an opportunity. We have some time on our side. There is an application here to hopefully drill and frack two wells this coming winter here in the Northwest Territories.

I believe we can balance protecting the environment with advancing the economy here in the Northwest Territories and getting people the jobs and opportunities that they require. We have to have an economy here. It is going to be, one way or

another, born out of resource extraction, whether it is oil and gas or whether it’s mining. We can plan and we can prepare ourselves. I think that is what we have certainly on our side here. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, certainly I said earlier, I was in Norman Wells over the weekend and people there are ready to go to work. They know what fracking could come to if we don’t do it properly. They know the work is there and they are willing to work and there’s excitement in the region. Certainly, there are issues that Members have talked about that we need to look at.

I want to ask the Minister in regards to doing it properly, doing it right and doing the best they can. We have an opportunity to work in this area here. Is the Minister working closely with the National Energy Board since they will become one of our key authorities on hydraulic fracking, that we can do it properly in the Sahtu with the National Energy Board?

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, we probably have some of the most stringent regulatory requirements in North America here in the Northwest Territories. Nothing is going to happen unless it is regulated. Certainly after devolution, we will have a regulatory authority here in the Northwest Territories. It remains to be seen exactly how that is going to look. We continue to work towards that.

I want to give the Member and others the assurance that this is not going to be the Wild West with wells being drilled everywhere. We don’t have the issues that they have in North Dakota with a myriad of different land owners and land tenure arrangements. It is pretty straightforward here in the Northwest Territories when it comes to land ownership and opportunities. We can certainly scale and pace this development in the Sahtu according to our needs and the aspirations of the people of the Sahtu and the people of this territory. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I certainly appreciate the Members around this table here talking about hydraulic fracking in the Sahtu region. When I was in the Sahtu over the weekend, people in the Sahtu will determine if they will go ahead with hydraulic fracking or not. The people in the Sahtu will decide just what type of scale it will be at.

I want to follow up with a question from my colleague in terms of public engagement in hydraulic fracking for the people of the Sahtu on environmental, social and economics. Would the Minister work with Members on this side in regards to putting on a government public forum that we can have an all-out, good educational discussion on the impacts of hydraulic fracking?

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, we can certainly look at that. I would be more than happy to

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Question 345-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 345-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister if he and I could go into the Sahtu this winter when Conoco is doing their testing of the hydraulic fracking, if he and I can go into the Sahtu and visit when they are doing their hydraulic fracking. At the same time, we could have a public meeting in the Sahtu in regards to this operation.

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Question 345-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, there is probably about 75 million reasons why Conoco does drill those wells in the Sahtu this winter that I can come to the Sahtu with the Member. Certainly, I know industry has been open to getting visits to well sites, allowing people onto their working areas to show them the process, to show them how it works. I must say we had an opportunity near Weyburn, Saskatchewan, to get out on a well that was being fracked. I must say, it wasn’t very exciting. Some of the pressures were going up and the lights were flashing, but certainly the earth wasn’t shaking. Thank you.

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Question 345-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Policy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 346-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In follow-up to my Member’s statement today about the Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre in Hay River on the K’atlodeeche First Nation, I have some follow-up questions for Minister Beaulieu .

Treatment of addictions is a hugely important issue in our territory. We need to use our resources in the most effective way possible. With the closure of the Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre, which I believe cost around $2.2 million to operate, the majority of

that money was spent on goods and services and the employment of Northerners. If we are forfeiting that, I would like to have the Minister explain for us and for the public so that we are assured that what the alternative is in fact the best and most efficient opportunity for the actual people with addictions. We are losing something in the North with the loss of the treatment centre, so we want to be assured that the alternative is in the best interest of the clients. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 346-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 346-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The money will remain in the treatment of individuals within the Northwest Territories and some of it will be used to develop a youth program which is starting this week. This week we are meeting with the first opportunity to do a youth pilot program in the Deh Cho, so some of our staff are going to go over there. Some of that money is being used to treat individuals that are going out for southern treatment. We are looking at developing on-the-land programs.

Again, some of that money is going to developing some on-the-land programs – in fact, we are piloting three of those programs this year – and some of it will go to mobile treatment. The majority of it, with the exception of the money that is needed to continue residential care for people in the South, will be spent in the North. Thank you.

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Question 346-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, that is very good to hear. That is a very good answer. In terms of the southern treatment residential placements that the Minister has referred to, maybe he could elaborate a little bit for us on the diversity of the location and the type of specialization that these facilities could offer clients. How accessible are these going to be? What kind of waiting times, or are these going to be readily accessible for our northern residents? Thank you.

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Question 346-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

The four residential treatment facilities that we contract with in the South, one is sort of a culture-based residential treatment that’s been in existence for many years, a very successful residential treatment facility, and that is in Edmonton. There are two in Calgary; one is a residential treatment facility for women and the other is a residential treatment facility that we thought had a lot of success. Another one is in Nanaimo, British Columbia, which is another treatment facility that we selected that we thought had good successes in the past.

The process of getting out to those treatment facilities has been streamlined considerably. Previously to get into Nats’ejee K’eh, you had to be going through counselling for approximately six weeks, then, after that, wait for the next intake. Most of these programs have weekly intakes and

we’re trying to connect to the very next intake, once a person presents themselves as needing treatment. Thank you.

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Question 346-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thanks again to the Minister on that elaboration of what the other options are for residential treatment.

With the re-profiling of these monies that have gone traditionally into the treatment of addictions, what would be the process or the dialogue that would take place with respect to the actual facility of what was in Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre? Is there a possibility still that that infrastructure can be utilized in, perhaps, specialized treatment, if not residential, some kind of a facility? What’s the process? Who’s going to be involved in that dialogue and is there a possibility that that infrastructure can be used again under the umbrella of treatment for addictions? Thank you.

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Question 346-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, it is certainly possible that that facility could remain with the department and be used for some form of residential treatment or support treatment overall across the territory. We are going to be having those discussions with the K’atlodeeche First Nations. It is on the reserve there, and that facility, at one point, was something that they had lobbied for, brought onto the reserve and initially was mostly a cultural treatment facility before it became a medical treatment facility. So there’s a possibility that we may run mobile treatments out of there.

It’s also possible to train councillors in a facility such as that. All of those options are still open for ourselves and anybody else who’s going to be involved in building the future for treatment in the Territories. Thank you.

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Question 346-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 346-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Interjection

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Question 346-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

That’s fine. There are only two women; it’s hard to keep us straight.

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, thank you to the Minister for that response. I had mentioned in my Member’s statement that we were disappointed that the sort of affected… This is a territorial facility. I understood that probably if it was ever re-profiled, it would continue to be a territorial piece of infrastructure. We were disappointed when the MLAs for Hay River and the MLA for Deh Cho weren’t really part of that.

As these discussions proceed, and certainly with all due respect to the K’atlodeeche First Nation because it is on their land, is it possible that we could be included in that dialogue at some point to share our thoughts? And the Standing Committee on Social Programs as well? We would like to be a

part of that. We found out after the fact of the closure. We would like to get in on the ground floor of the planning, if that facility is going to be reutilized. Thank you.

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Question 346-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, certainly that is possible. We would be pleased to consult with the Members that are affected; in fact, all Members, since it is a territorial facility. Thank you.

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Question 346-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you. Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Question 347-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, wanted to follow up with questions to the Minister of Health and Social Services on the Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre.

Until the Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre is reopened or another homegrown facility is established, can the Minister of Health commit to streamlining the process for entry into southern residential treatment programs? Mahsi.

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Question 347-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 347-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Certainly that was one of the earlier objectives when this facility, Nats’ejee K’eh, closed, that we attempt to streamline the process for any individuals who are wishing to go for treatment.

As I indicated earlier, we believe that once an individual presents themselves as needing treatment, we are trying to get into the very next facility of their choice on the very next intake. Thank you very much.

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Question 347-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

My question is to the Minister once again. There has been some discussion in terms of on-the-land programs and what it may mean. Perhaps the Minister could tell us the philosophy behind the on-the-land programs, especially the plans and the status of such an initiative. At what point would the Minister be able to explain to this House how an on-the-land program would work? Mahsi.

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Question 347-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, on-the-land treatment is something that was called for by the communities. I do believe that the philosophy of the on-the-land treatment is to get people to go back out on the land for healing. A lot of the Aboriginal people who called for this felt very connected to the land. So we’re trying to develop a philosophy around that type of treatment.

Also, in order to gather more information and develop a program, we have hired an individual who will be specifically working on this project, on-the-land treatment, and we’re also piloting three on-the-land treatment programs that would be either coming in the spring or some time soon. We are

working on piloting those programs, and we’re going to use the materials from that pilot in order to develop a larger, more comprehensive on-the-land program. Thank you.

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Question 347-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

I’d like to thank the Minister for providing that answer.

What would be some of the features in terms of developing an on-the-land program? Would it be a philosophy that’s based on the AA program? Would it be a philosophy that’s based on First Nations affinity to on the land in terms of the environment? Could the Minister explain? Mahsi.

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Question 347-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. Certainly some of the discussions that we had early on in the development of on-the-land has been that people have called for an AA-based type of program, then starting that on the land and then using AA as an aftercare program. However, I’m not sure if that’s going to be something that will be encompassed out on the land at this point.

At this point, I think the majority of the on-the-land program will be based around the connection the First Nations people have with being out on the land, and using that, I think, as the basis for developing the program. I’m not sure we would have specific counsellors out there, but I do believe that is going to be all part of the program. Thank you.

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Question 347-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Nadli .

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Question 347-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In terms of listening to the Minister indicating that there are three on-the-land programs that might be piloted, is there a timeline in terms of when we can expect those pilot on-the-land programs to commence? Mahsi.

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Question 347-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I don’t have the specific dates on that with me, but I would be more than willing to provide that to the Members across the floor, on where the programs will be piloted and with whom the programs will be piloted by and when they will be piloted. Thank you.

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Question 347-17(4): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Options

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 348-17(4): Public Accounts Practices

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In follow-up to my Member’s statement today, I’d like to ask the Minister of Finance some questions on public accounts practices within this government.

Would the Minister of Finance , maybe just for education purposes, let me know what his perspective is for the purpose of having public accounts within this government? Thank you.

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Question 348-17(4): Public Accounts Practices

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Minister of Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 348-17(4): Public Accounts Practices

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The role of public accounts is an important one. When I became Finance Minister , there was a significant delay in reports being done. The public accounts had sort of fallen out of attention and I made it a point, as the Finance Minister , to meet with the Auditor General, along with the deputy minister. We made the commitment that we would pay attention and we would reinforce the importance of time of reports, that the public ac