Debates of Nov. 7th, 1994

This is page numbers 773 - 824 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was development .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Bhp - Dia Met Diamond Project

Fiscal Position Of Wcb

Wasted Animal Carcasses

Aboriginal Health And Traditional Healing

Expansion Of Cambridge Bay Arena Complex

Clean-up Of Oil Spills In Soviet Union

Advancing Construction

Schedule For Fort Liard Community Hall

Status Of WCB Legislation

Workers' Advisor's Independence From Government

Investment Portfolio Of The Wcb

Reason For WCB In-house Legal Division

Reason For Full-time WCB Public Affairs Position

Status Of WCB Appeals Tribunal

Efficiency Of Wcb's Operations

Rationale For Change Of Impairment Rating Schedules

Definition Of "prior Years' Claims"

Impact Of WCB Rate Increases On Small Businesses

GNWT Audit Of Dene Nation Payroll

Federal Payment Of Incremental Costs For Division

Impact Of WCB Rate Increases On Taxi Drivers

Incorporation Of Traditional Healing Methods In Health System

Legal Authority To Enforce Payment Of Payroll Tax

GNWT Position On Reduction Of Carbon Emissions

Process For Electrical Permits

Marketing Of Exotic Animal Parts

Companies Refusing To Pay Payroll Tax

Written Question 27-12(6): Prior Years' Claims

Item 9: Replies To Opening Address

Committee Report 16-12(6): Toward An Economic Development Strategy

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Amendment To The Terms Of Reference Of The Standing Committee On Agencies, Boards And Commissions

Amended Terms Of Reference For The Advisory Committee On Social Housing

Bill 19: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1994-95

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1995-96Committee Report 10-12(6): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Capital Estimates

To Provide Funds To Arctic Bay For Community Freezer

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 2: Aboriginal Custom Adoption Recognition Act

Bill 13:

An Act To Amend The Motor Vehicles Act

Bill 14:

An Act To Repeal The Public Service Vehicles Act

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Mr. Ballantyne , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Good afternoon. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Keewatin Central , Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 56-12(6): Bhp - Dia Met Diamond Project

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I wish to provide this Assembly with an update on the status of the diamond exploration program being conducted by BHP and Dia Met Minerals, north of Lac de Gras.

BHP has indicated that underground bulk sampling of the Panda kimberlite pipe is proceeding at a good pace and that they expect to finish this phase of their exploration in early December. The company has applied to continue the exploration and evaluation of their property by an underground bulk sample program on the Misery kimberlite pipe.

The airstrip at BHP's Koala camp is being extended, and should be completed in early November. The longer airstrip will allow the company to use larger, more economical aircraft to transport equipment, supplies and employees.

It has been reported that BHP could make a production decision on their Lac de Gras diamond property by the end of 1994. This date was based upon the expected completion of a full engineering feasibility study. However, the feasibility report may not be finished until more bulk sampling results have been received later in 1995.

It is the understanding of this government that the federal Minister of Environment will soon name the panel which will evaluate the environmental impact of this project. We have participated in sessions to recommended terms of reference for the panel and have nominated individuals to be considered as potential panel members.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 56-12(6): Bhp - Dia Met Diamond Project

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Fiscal Position Of Wcb

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, a few weeks ago, the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board released the board's 1993 annual report in great fanfare in this House. The headline in the press, and I quote "In the black, WCB up $14 million."

---Applause

But, Madam Speaker, the headline went on to say the amazing financial recovery was questioned by labour and employers. The Minister did not explain that of the $13.4 million turnaround between 1992 and 1993, about $3.3 million came from increased assessments to employers and over $10 million came from reduced claim payments to injured workers. In fact, the cost of administering the board increased slightly in 1993, even though the total number of claims decreased slightly.

Madam Speaker, there are a number of legitimate concerns to be addressed here, and the ordinary Members of this House will be addressing those concerns later today in question period.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Wasted Animal Carcasses

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I rise today to speak about something that happens far too often in the north and must be condemned yet again. I am talking about the needless slaughter of wildlife which is sometimes left to spoil and rot. There is a common trend that runs through our many aboriginal cultures here in the north: our relationship with the land and all of its creatures. The land and the wildlife have sustained us for hundreds of years.

Because of the respect that aboriginal cultures have with the wildlife, we look upon the animals as our brothers and sisters who have given their lives so that we may live. Out of respect, our people make the most possible use of the entire animal.

Members may have guessed that I am referring to the incident this past August where a scientist shot and killed a grizzly then left the carcass to rot. I won't go into the details of the incident, Madam Speaker, for they have been documented already. Whether or not everything was done that could have been done to get this bear to leave before having to shoot it is debatable, and I won't go into that. But I am sure that things were all considered in the courts. What upsets me and I'm sure most northern residents, is the apparent failure to address the seriousness of the issue.

This person was charged with abandoning a dead animal and allowing the hide to spoil. He was convicted of that charge. What I find appalling, Madam Speaker, is that the penalty enforced by the court was a fine of $115. Not only was no part of the animal able to be used, but the belly of the hide alone would have been far greater than $115.

I have to ask where is the justice in this. Where is the deterrence factor to keep others from doing the same? I am not saying it is never necessary to kill an animal to protect yourself or your property, but to kill and throw away is not our way. And it's shameful the penalty being proposed should reflect this.

Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude by statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to continue. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Proceed, Mr. Gargan .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, as I understand it, the law allows for a maximum fine of $1,000 for this offence. The offender was advised by Renewable Resources what to do with the animal, but did not act on that advice. The judgment has been made in this case, Madam Speaker, and I won't debate it after the fact. I expect that the officers and the people of the Department of Renewable Resources who are responsible for the enforcement of the Wildlife Act are as upset about this as I am. I fear that this case has sent a message to others who may find themselves facing the same situation.

That is, there is an easy way out and you don't need to go to the trouble of preserving the animal after it has been destroyed because it won't cost you anything.

Madam Speaker, our laws with respect to wildlife are not a matter of convenience. They are there for a reason and must be respected by everyone. I hope, by raising the issue here today, that our legal system will take these comments to heart and consider applying much stricter penalties allowed by the law in such cases, so that we may see fewer cases like this in the future. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Aboriginal Health And Traditional Healing

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I rise today to speak about aboriginal health and traditional healing. Last year when the Special Committee on Health and Social Services tabled a report, one of the recommendations we made was that traditional healing methods must be recognized and funded by government and incorporated in our system of health and social services.

Madam Speaker, last week there was a press release from the Government of Ontario. The Government of Ontario recognized that traditional forms of aboriginal medicine are legitimate and will be recognized in Ontario under a new health policy. The new policy endorses the use of traditional healers, medicine people, midwives and elders in the medical system where they will serve native people. In addition, the government has pledged that those practising traditional native medicine will be recognized, respected and protected from government regulation.

The Ontario Minister of Health , Ruth Grier, also stated that, "For too long, we have not listened to the voices of the First Nations, nor have we honoured their medicine." She also goes on to say, "We support health care, designed, developed and delivered by aboriginal people, in keeping with their goals and our government's commitment to their right to self-determination."

Madam Speaker, this is good news for aboriginal people in the province of Ontario and, I hope, a model for other provinces and for this territory to consider. We should take the type of action being taken in Ontario to heart and also to practice that in the Northwest Territories. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Expansion Of Cambridge Bay Arena Complex

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, the Cambridge Bay arena complex was completed in 1986, with GNWT funding of approximately $600,000 and a hamlet contribution of $400,000. The project involved renovation to an existing steel-frame structure, which was started by a community initiative in the late 1970s, but never completed.

Unfortunately, the design of the existing structure did not allow for the construction of a full-sized ice surface. The municipal council, in 1985, of which I was a member, made the decision to accept the smaller ice surface and to contribute a sizeable financial investment in order to finish off the arena complex.

Madam Speaker, like most recreational facilities in the north, this arena complex has been extensively used since its establishment. The main activities are minor and senior hockey, public and figure skating, curling and private rentals. Unfortunately, over the years, the extensive use has deteriorated the building. A few years ago, the council and MACA recognized the need to upgrade the arena complex and budgeted $300,000 for the upgrade.

This past spring, hockey players and other facility users approached me requesting that the ice surface be expanded to a regular size. In conjunction with the hamlet council, we put forward a request to MACA on the need for a larger ice surface, recognizing the growing demands of the community. Madam Speaker, I'm happy to report that MACA has responded positively to this issue by reprofiling the project to include an ice surface expansion and by increasing the budgeted financial forecast to $750,000 to carry out the work in 1996.

On behalf of my constituents, I wish to thank the former Minister, Mr. Arngna'naaq , the current Minister, Ms. Mike , and the departmental officials of MACA for their assistance in addressing this issue. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Clean-up Of Oil Spills In Soviet Union

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, last month I think it was, I made a statement about the oil spill in the Soviet Union. During the last week, we heard of yet another major oil spill in roughly the same area in the remote part of Russia, in the colder areas, much the same as our Canadian Arctic. Although it is not as large as the first one reported, it is, nonetheless, a very serious event.

On the weekend news reports, they were showing pictures of massive flares that were used for burning off the oil. Madam Speaker, this is a very primitive way of cleaning up oil spills on land. Other techniques are much more environmentally friendly than using flare burns. More alarming than all of this was the fact that the Russians declined to accept offers by Canadian and US governments to help in these clean-ups. We know that the Canadian and American oil and gas industries have the technical know how and equipment to deal with oil spills. It surprises me and a lot of people that the Russians have not taken up the offer to clean up these major environmental disasters.

Why we must be concerned here, Madam Speaker, is that the area that these events have taken place lead, by water, to the Arctic Ocean. If something isn't done before spring, there is a good chance that the Arctic waters will suffer some environmental damage as a result of oil flowing into the water during spring break-up, eventually ending up in our Arctic Ocean.

With the detente that has taken place, and the way that northern Canadians have been helping Russians to build and do other things in the last little while, I am surprised they haven't taken up the offer. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine .

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Advancing Construction

Schedule For Fort Liard Community Hall

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to speak today on the condition of the community hall in Fort Liard. Madam Speaker, the community hall was built in the mid 1970s, using money from the Canada works program. It was built by the band and the community of Fort Liard. The hall has served the community well over the past 20 years, but is no longer adequate to meet the needs of the community.

The public health inspector recently recommended that the building not be used any more, due to serious structural deficiencies. As we all know, Madam Speaker, buildings built during the late 1960s and the early 1970s are very expensive to retrofit to today's standards. In some cases, such as Fort Liard, it is cheaper to build an entirely new facility, rather than fix the old one.

The community gatherings and social events are very important to residents of small, close-knit communities, such as Fort Liard. The suggestion that residents of this community use the school gymnasium or the lobby of the arena for community gatherings is unacceptable. Madam Speaker, while the residents do appreciate the arena and the gymnasium, it must be realized that neither of these facilities lends themselves to community gatherings. The acoustics in the gymnasium make holding meetings impossible and the arena is too small for a lot of community functions.

Madam Speaker, the community appreciates that in the 1998-99 construction year, a new facility will be built in Fort Liard. However, Madam Speaker, due to the present community hall being condemned, and the fact that the other facilities in the community do not lend themselves to community gatherings, I strongly urge this government to look at advancing the construction

schedule for the community hall in Fort Liard. I will be following this up in question period when the Minister responsible is back in the House. Mahsi, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Point of order, Mr. Gargan .

Point Of Order

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I rise today on a point of order. I have had the opportunity to review the unedited Hansard for Friday, November 4, 1994, with reference to comments made by the

honourable Minister responsible for the Public Utilities Board on the Standing Committee on Legislation review of Bill 8,

An Act to Amend the Public Utilities Act.

The Honourable John Todd stated in the House on November 4, 1994, and I quote from page 1856 of the unedited Hansard:

"Just for clarification, we did go before the Standing Committee on Legislation and it recommended, I thought, to support the bill based upon the two amendments they asked us to do. Now the Standing Committee on Legislation Members are naying the bill. I don't understand what is going on here. By resolution, they passed it, the last time I met with the standing committee."

Madam Speaker, this quote was repeated in a CBC news broadcast this morning at 7:30 am.

Additionally, the Minister stated in the House, and I quote from page 1856:

"Maybe someone could help me out in terms of procedure, being the layman that I am, why some aggressive Members of the House have decided to raise their voices louder than those who don't."

The honourable Minister appears to be suggesting that because the Standing Committee on Legislation considered this bill in committee, Members of the House should rubber-stamp the bill. Madam Speaker, regardless of what recommendations the standing committee makes with respect to any bill, Members of this House are, and should be, free to fully debate the bill on the floor of the House. This debate may be delivered aggressively if it is necessary to fulfil their obligations as Members of the Legislature.

For the record, Madam Speaker, I must note that the Standing Committee on Legislation's report, as contained on page 1853 of the unedited Hansard dated November 4, 1994, makes reference to problems that the public had with the bill. Additionally, the report refers to committee concerns with respect to the bill representing an additional tax on the consumers. During the public hearings on September 8, 1994, the public record clearly shows that there was no agreement between the Minister and the standing committee as to support of the bill.

Madam Speaker, the committee did not "approve" this bill. The committee did its job, heard submissions from the public, considered the bill and moved the bill into committee of the whole for consideration.

The point of order, Madam Speaker, is the Minister, by stating the committee had recommended support of Bill 8 , has mislead the House and the public. By his remarks, the Minister is leaving the public and this House with the perception that the Members of the Standing Committee on Legislation say one thing and do another.

I would appreciate, Madam Speaker, if you would consider this point of order on behalf of myself as well as Members of this House who believe that Members should feel free to fully debate all legislation in this House, aggressively if necessary.

Further, Madam Speaker, I would ask for an apology from the honourable Minister. Mahsi cho.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Just with respect to our rules on points of order, once a Member has stated their point of order, the Speaker may allow debate before taking it under advisement. Since the Member for Deh Cho has asked for an apology, I just want to determine whether the Member for Keewatin Central will want to clarify his remarks or apologize. The honourable Member for Keewatin Centre.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. If I made remarks that were offensive to the Standing Committee on Legislation, I apologize.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

I will take your point of order under advisement and determine whether there is anything more to report to the House.

Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Question 350-12(6): Status Of WCB Legislation

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. In June 1992, the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions tabled their final report on the Workers' Compensation Board. Many of the recommendations in that report called for amendments to the Workers' Compensation Act and for a legislative action paper to bring forward proposed amendments. The legislative action paper was tabled in April 1993 and the Standing Committee on Legislation reported on the legislative action paper in November 1993.

Legislation passed in March 1994 covered some of the standing committee's recommendations relating to coverage for aboriginal harvesters. But the overwhelming majority of the legislative recommendations made by the standing committees have not yet been addressed by legislative proposals. My question is to the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. Can the Minister tell the House when he expects legislation to be drafted to address the recommendations of the standing committees?

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Question 350-12(6): Status Of WCB Legislation

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Todd .

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Question 350-12(6): Status Of WCB Legislation

Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We are currently working on the legislation that the honourable Member has brought to my attention. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Supplementary To Question 350-12(6): Status Of Wcb Legislation

Question 350-12(6): Status Of WCB Legislation

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi. Can the Minister explain why he has not made the drafting and introduction of such legislation a priority for the Workers' Compensation Board and for this government?

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Supplementary To Question 350-12(6): Status Of Wcb Legislation

Question 350-12(6): Status Of WCB Legislation

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. It is a priority. There is a full legislative plate before the House and we are moving as quickly and as expeditiously as possible to make the adjustments. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Page 777

Fred Koe

Inuvik

There have been a lot of good announcements made by the Minister on the operations of the board, but the Minister knows very well that the Workers' Compensation Board has also received a lot of bad press over the last few years. Many workers don't feel that the board is adequately addressing their needs. Can the Minister explain how he expects to correct this perception, if he is not prepared to move quickly to introduce legislation that will address the needs identified by the standing committees?

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Page 777

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Madam Speaker, I would like to commend the chairman of the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions and their report that they provided some months ago. We are using that report as a blueprint for change and we are proceeding as quickly as we can with the legislative changes. I am optimistic that these changes, when they go through the Standing Committee on Legislation and public discussion, will be massaged by the different interest groups that are keenly interested in WCB. With respect to our public image, I think we are making significant progress in trying to improve the board's image between employers and, more importantly, between injured workers. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Question 351-12(6): Workers' Advisor's Independence From Government

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 777

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question is for the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. Madam Speaker, both the standing committees on Legislation and on Agencies, Boards and Commissions made recommendations concerning the workers' advisor's position. These recommendations related to the independence of the workers' advisor and, in response, the then Minister responded in November of 1992 that a permanent workers' advisor position had been created, rather than the contractual arrangements that had been made previously. Can the Minister tell the House what measures have been taken since to guarantee the independence of the workers' advisor?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

We've enacted the recommendation of the Standing Committee on Legislation, that said it should be independent; we've put it into Safety and Public Services. I believe that's where it operates. And it operates as an independent arm of the WCB. Thank you.

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Page 777

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm happy to hear it sounds like an important policy change has been made. Supplementary to the same Minister, this is an interesting situation because it may be the only case of a Minister answering his own oral question. When the current Minister was an ordinary Member in November of 1992, he asked whether policy changes had been made which would allow the workers' advisor to have better access to information.

The following April, the now Minister responded saying there is no provision in the Workers' Compensation Act for a workers' advisor, and that an appropriate amendment to the Workers' Compensation Act would resolve this issue for all concerned. Has the Minister prepared such an amendment?

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Page 777

John Todd

Keewatin Central

We reached an agreement with the Department of Safety and Public Services that the workers' advisor is supervised by the director of policy, thus serving at an arm's-length relationship with the WCB. This was in keeping with the recommendations that were provided by the ordinary Members on the other side of the House, through the Standing Committee on Legislation.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 777

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Just before we go further on oral questions, may I remind the Members to try to keep their

preambles, particularly on their supplementaries, short, and the replies from Ministers as brief as possible. Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Question 352-12(6): Investment Portfolio Of The Wcb

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 777

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question would also be to the same Minister, the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. According to the Workers'

Compensation Board 1993 annual report, the board has about $140 million in investments, but only 3.8 per cent of those investments are in the Northwest Territories, either in government bonds or through investment in the Northwest Territories private corporations. My question to the Minister, can the Minister explain why such a small percentage of the board's investments are here in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

The WCB investment policy, from what I recollect because it is an independent group of people, is one of looking at bluechip investments. I suspect, although it's all I can say because I'm not involved directly, that the majority of their investments are in an area where they know they can predict the kind of return that they require to ensure that the pension fund is fully funded. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Supplementary, Madam Speaker. What efforts has the Minister made to encourage the board to find safer investments here in the Northwest Territories?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Absolutely not. No way would I infringe upon the fiscal investment policy of the Workers' Compensation Board at this time, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Page 778

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Supplementary, Madam Speaker. I agree that the board needs to safeguard its funds carefully and not gamble them on ventures that are too risky. But even an extra million or two invested in the northern economy would make a significant difference to economic development in the north. Can the Minister make a commitment to this House that he and the board will make more of an effort to find suitable investment opportunities for the board's funds in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Madam Speaker, the responsibility for investment lies solely with the Workers' Compensation Board. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Question 353-12(6): Reason For WCB In-house Legal Division

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 778

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is again to the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. On October 17th, the News/North stated that the WCB added eight new staff in 1993, which included a full legal division. I would like to ask the Minister, Madam Speaker, if he can tell us why more legal staff were required. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. A financial assessment was made of the cost related to contracting out legal costs in the WCB. It was determined that it was more cost-effective to have in-house legal counsel. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister, is it true then that there are eight new staff members and if all of them are lawyers? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think I'll just remain standing. No, I do not believe that they are all lawyers. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

No Member is allowed to stand while I am speaking in the House.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister then, if all the eight positions aren't lawyers, does he know how many of those positions are? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Madam Speaker, it could be one or two, but I will check into it and get back to the honourable Member. Thank you.

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Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 779

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, as well. I understand from the Workers' Compensation Board 1993 annual report, that a full-time public affairs position was created in 1993. Can the Minister explain why this position was created?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

One of the concerns consistently raised by the Standing Committee on Finance, I believe, by the former chairman at that time, there was concern about the lack of communications with the public outside of the conventional two interest groups, business and unionized workers. There was clearly a need to develop a community relations strategy, get out into the field and let people know in the smaller communities the role and responsibility of WCB. It was determined at that time that an appropriate communications strategy be put in place, and I believe this position is responsible for doing that, Madam Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you. Supplementary to the same Minister, Madam Speaker. My question is, does the creation of this position reflect the concern on the part of the board and/or the Minister regarding the public perception of the board? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Well, the board is as equally concerned as I am about its image within the Northwest Territories. But, more importantly, an image is substance. And it's concern about it's historical lack of ability to communicate outside of the two lobbying groups, business and the unions, to ensure that we get out and let people know in the smaller communities to meet the new initiatives brought forward about the hunters' and trappers' compensation packages, and to work towards developing other packages or other compensation policies that are going to be more reflective of the smaller communities and the needs and desires of the people in those communities. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Would the Minister agree that previously addressing the issues raised by the protestors over the last few years would do more to enhance the board's image than a full-time public relations person and a quarterly newspaper? Thank you.

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Keewatin Central

Madam Speaker, I believe we can do both. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. I understand that the Workers' Compensation Board set up a task group to address the issue of appeals. I think there was an appeals tribunal set up. Can the Minister tell us what the current status of that group is?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I know this was an important issue in the last session. There was concern out there that perhaps the WCB was not moving in a timely manner to deal with appeals. The original appeal chairperson was Mr. Bourque who resigned, I believe, in February 1994. We have a new appeals chairman, Mr. McNenly, who is a Giant employee and former union employee.

The backlog of appeals at the time was somewhere in the region of 44 or maybe 60 cases. I don't have an up-to-date figure as of today, but it is my understanding that the majority of those cases have been dealt with and the appeals tribunal is moving forward in an orderly, and much more timely manner, to deal with this very important appeal process. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Madam Speaker, in the 1993 annual report, we read that there were 25 appeals outstanding at the end of 1992 and 32 more cases were appealed during 1993. Yet, only 13 appeals were resolved and one of those was a case withdrawn by the appellant. Can the Minister explain why only 12 appeals were heard in 1993?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I believe that with the appointment of Mr. Bourque as chairperson, it was realized at that time that the appeal process was taking an inordinate amount of time to deal with. That's all I can say. The process didn't allow for the timely decision-making of the appeals tribunal. Since that time, it is my understanding that a significant amount of progress has been made on the appeals.

I understand that to date, in 1994, 19 appeals have been filed and it is anticipated that the appeals tribunal will be able to hear four cases a month, which gives, hopefully, a completion date of January 31, 1995 to clean up the appeals that currently stand. There will be future appeals, but certainly it's an area that the Workers' Compensation Board and, particularly, the appeals committee, knew was under serious public scrutiny, and understandably so. They are making every effort to quickly, effectively and fairly deal with these important outstanding issues.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Can the Minister advise us, then, what the Minister or what the board is going to do to make sure that appeals are dealt with efficiently and quickly in the future?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

The current chairman of the appeals tribunal, Mr. McNenly, is going to follow the pattern established by the former chairman, Mr. Bourque, and that is to meet on a more regular basis to ensure these appeals are dealt with in a timely manner. Thank you.

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Question 356-12(6): Efficiency Of Wcb's Operations

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is again to the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. In his statement to the House on October 14th, the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board announced a dramatic turnaround in the WCB's finances, from a deficit of $8 million to a surplus of over $5 million.

In that statement, the Minister placed a great deal of emphasis on a more efficient, less costly and more accessible operation. But, the 1993 annual report says that administration and general expenses increased slightly between 1992 and 1993 from $4.648 million to $4.756 million, while the number of claims reported decreased from 3,638 to 3,531. Can the Minister explain how higher costs for fewer claims translate into a more efficient operation?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I'm so excited about answering the question. Madam Speaker, I perhaps was misinterpreted. What I meant by a more efficient board was with respect to policies and some of the major changes they made with respect to assessments, rehabilitation, supplementary pensions and the capitalization of the pension and accident fund. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Question 357-12(6): Rationale For Change Of Impairment Rating Schedules

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question I would like to direct to the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. Madam Speaker, according to the Workers' Compensation Board 1993 annual report, the guidelines for evaluation of permanent impairment were changed on July 1, 1993. The American Medical Association guides were replaced with NWT impairment rating schedules. Can the Minister explain the rationale behind this change?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

We felt, at the time, that we should have an impairment

schedule that was more reflective of the Northwest Territories and the AMA guidelines were changed to NWT impairment assessments, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister whether or not it was the board's intent for this change to be neutral in its financial impact? For example, did the board intend for the change in the rating

schedule to result in an increase, decrease or no change in the payment of claims for permanently injured workers?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

The change from AMA guidelines to NWT guidelines was done primarily to ensure that compensation more clearly reflected the needs of northern workers.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. To the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, labour groups in the north have accused the board of making its dramatic turnaround from a deficit to a surplus on the backs of injured workers. These statements appear to reflect a concern that the change in the rating schedules resulted in lower payments to workers. Can the Minister provide this House, at some time, with an analysis of how payments to workers have changed since the introduction of the new rating schedule?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I would be only too happy to, Madam Speaker.

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Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister when.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Soon.

---Laughter

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question is for the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. Madam Speaker, according to the WCB's 1993 annual report, prior years' claims were down from $15.7 million in 1992 to $7.2 million in 1993. This is a decrease of over 54 per cent. I would like to ask the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board whether it is correct to assume that prior years' claims means claims paid in 1993 to those who were injured before 1993?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I will check with the chairman on that, Madam Speaker, and report back to the honourable Member.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Since the Minister didn't take that question as notice, I would like to follow up with some more information on that issue. Madam Speaker, I would imagine that most of those injured before 1993 -- still receiving claims payments in 1993 -- were probably those who were permanently injured. Therefore, I would like to ask the Minister whether this decrease would be attributable to the change and rating schedules for permanent impairment.

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Thank you. Mr. Dent , I was hesitant to pass on your first question to the Minister of WCB , mainly because questions posed by Members should be within the direct knowledge of the Minister, whether it is policy or responsibility. It appears that your supplementary question is of a technical nature. Could you rephrase your question? If not, I will consider ruling it out of order. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I had thought that because this information was contained in the annual report of the WCB that it might be within the knowledge of the Minister. However, if there is a concern that it might not be, I would be happy to pose this question later under written questions.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 781

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Question 359-12(6): Impact Of WCB Rate Increases On Small Businesses

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 781

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question I would like to direct to the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. In the changes that have taken place, the rate

schedule that is charged to the employer for the number of employees they have has gone up dramatically; in some cases, many times the previous rates. This has caused

hardships on some small businesses. Madam Speaker, some of the small business people have spoken to me about this and they expressed their concern over this dramatic rate increase. They also expressed concern that because the amounts were, in some cases, increased many times over, they have feared for their business.

They have suggested to the WCB that it would be more appropriate if the rates were increased in steps. There has been no reaction to that. I just wondered if the Minister would consider the severe impact that the rate increases will have on small businesses and take steps to correct that so it doesn't affect small businesses that dramatically.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 782

John Todd

Keewatin Central

I don't know where the honourable Member is getting his information from.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Can I answer the question, Madam Speaker? I don't know where the honourable Member is getting his information from because the average rate has, in fact, declined based upon the new assessments that were done. If the honourable Member would be specific about the class -- I believe the term was "significant rate increases" -- I would be only too happy to answer the question.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. May I remind honourable Ministers, when you reply to a question, to reply in such a way as to prevent any type of debate. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine .

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Question 360-12(6): GNWT Audit Of Dene Nation Payroll

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 782

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Finance . I understand that the Minister's officials have indicated to the Dene Nation that they will be sending an auditor to the Dene Nation office tomorrow to audit their payroll records, in light of the Dene Nation's refusal to pay the payroll tax, on promises that were made during Treaty 8 and 11 negotiations. Is the Minister aware of the actions of his officials? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Good afternoon. Madam Speaker, I am aware, yes. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 782

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My understanding of the premise that the Minister's department is using to force the Dene Nation to pay the payroll tax is that a letter was received from the Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs stating that Treaty 8 negotiations had not reached a point where exemptions could be applied. So, at some future date, the Dene Nation would likely be exempt if this is done through negotiations. Why is this happening?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 782

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 782

John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, it is happening because the payroll tax is tax that is based on legislation passed through this House and applied to people in the Northwest Territories. The Dene Nation are employers in the Northwest Territories and are, therefore, required to register and pay tax on employees' earnings, deduct them and pass them onto the Government of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 782

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Was the Minister of Finance approached by the Premier , before she left for China, about backing off on the payroll tax issue with the Dene Nation, so that further negotiations might take place? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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Page 782

John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, the Premier discussed the issue with me and after I had explained to her the lengths that I had gone to with the Dene Nation, the federal government, the amount of meetings there had been, the exchange of letters, et cetera, and I told her that I did not have a way to back off, as Mr. Antoine says, there was no further discussion between the Premier and myself in that regard. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

It is unfortunate to come to this point, Madam Speaker. However, the Premier did speak with the Minister of Finance to try to slow this process down before it got to the point that it might be reaching now. Is the Minister willing to meet with Bill Erasmus, the chief of the Dene Nation, to discuss

further with the Dene Nation or is the audit still on for tomorrow? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, I will be meeting with Mr. Erasmus this afternoon, but I don't have any intention of stopping the auditors from going to the offices tomorrow. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .

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Question 361-12(6): Federal Payment Of Incremental Costs For Division

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 783

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Finance . Madam Speaker, the Northwest Territories are, as most Canadians, are facing the possibility of large government cutbacks. I know the Finance Minister is dealing with this issue. On the other hand, we are moving ahead towards division and inevitably will be incurring incremental costs. What is the Finance Minister , and this government, doing to ensure that whatever incremental costs are incurred by this government, the federal government will live up to its obligation to pay them? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, as we move towards division, Members of this House realize that decisions that are made now by this Legislative Assembly, may ultimately affect what ends up in a certain part of the Northwest Territories after division occurs. It was raised a few years ago, by Ms. Mike when she was on the other side, about the capital budget, et cetera. So right now we are dealing with issues on a fair and equitable basis. In the meantime, we are saying to the federal government that there will be incremental costs as division occurs and we want you to be aware of them.

There will also be costs, if there are aboriginal and self-government negotiations going on that are concluded. There are many issues that, as a result of federal government actions, will result in the people of the Northwest Territories incurring more costs, particularly through division, as Mr. Ballantyne points out.

I have met with Mr. Irwin and pointed that out to him. I have met with our MPs and pointed it out to them. I discussed it at 1:00 this afternoon with the Honourable Ethel Blondin-Andrew. I have written to Mr. Martin and told him of my concerns about incremental costs as division occurs. The last thing that we will be asking for is a process in the next negotiations for the next formula funding agreement. That will be the one that divides in 1999. We are saying there has to be a process set up so that over the next four years these kinds of issues can be

discussed and some decision arrived at. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 783

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

I thank the Finance Minister for that answer. My concern, and I'm sure the concern of the Finance Minister , is the commitments made in the last couple of years have to be implemented three or four years from now, in what could be a totally different fiscal climate. It causes me some concerns. Madam Speaker, the federal Nunavut legislation, as I understand it, allows the federal government to decide what areas actually would be covered for implementation cost and how much they will pay.

So my question to the Minister is, is the Minister having any specific discussions with the federal government to start defining now the areas that will be considered implementation costs by the federal government? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 783

John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, as soon as this round of negotiations with the federal government on the existing formula financing agreement and the one that will be in place for the next four years are concluded, we will then move into that area of incremental funding with regard to division issues. I am saying to Mr. Martin, it has to be done sooner than later. It has to be started in year one of the new formula funding agreement for the very reasons that Mr. Ballantyne raises. So I'm hoping that it will start next year, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you. I agree, better sooner than later. My last question to the Finance Minister , I understand it will be a Treasury Board submission in 1995 which will deal with the area of implementation funding for the period 1995 to 1999. My question is, is the Minister intending to have discussions with the federal government to help define what will actually go in that particular submission? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, I haven't been consulted in that regard. Although there will be a meeting soon of chairpersons of financial management boards or treasury boards, and Art Eggleton will be in the chair, that's

one of the issues that we will be raising with him is warning him about submissions that may come across his desk with regard to the Northwest Territories and the changes that are taking place. So I would raise it in that particular forum, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Question 362-12(6): Impact Of WCB Rate Increases On Taxi Drivers

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 784

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thanks, Madam Speaker. I've been asked by a constituent to raise this issue. I recognize that the WCB is an arm's-length agency, but I would like to ask the Minister since the bulk of the taxis in the Northwest Territories are situated right here in the capital city and since they're very unhappy and they seem to have a tremendous impact on our political life in this city, I would like to ask the Minister whether he's aware that this group, in fact, has been severely affected by an increase in the cost of the WCB.

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