Debates of Jan. 29th, 1997

This is page numbers 251 - 279 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was budget .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Canada Endangered Species Protection Act

Muskox Quotas

Seniors' Fuel Subsidy Program

Old Crow School Fire

Literacy Golf Tournament

Physical Handicaps

Coastguard Icebreakers

Nwt's Exploding Birthrate

Dempster Highway

Impact Of Budget Reductions On The City Of Yellowknife

Sustainable Polar Bear Population

Services To N'dilo And Detah

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Polar Bear Populations

Coastguard Icebreaker Operations

Regional Librarian Positions

Inuvik Health Smoke Advisory

Bhp/gnwt Socio-economic Agreement

Keewatin Region Muskox Quotas

Funding Arrangements For Detah And N'dilo

Review Of Programs Provided To Seniors

Old Crow School Fire

Community Infrastructure Funding

Transfer Of Insurance Liability To Communities

Seniors' Fuel Subsidy Program

Support For Igloolik Hockey Team

Coastguard Icebreaker Operations

Written Question 4-13(4): Programs For Seniors

Written Question 5-13(4): Attention Deficit Syndrome/disorder

Written Question 6-13(3): Cancer Statistics

Replies To Budget Address 2-13(4): Ootes

Item 11: Petitions

Item 12: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Samuel Gargan , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable John Todd , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Mrs. Jane Groenewegen , Honourable Don Morin .

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Oh God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Before we get into orders of the day, I would like to recognize Dave Keenan. Dave is the Minister of Municipal and Transportation Services for the Yukon government. Welcome to the Assembly.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

And also, congratulation on your election. Orders of the day. Item 2: Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 33-13(4): Canada Endangered Species Protection Act

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I wish to speak today about an initiative that is very important to all northerners, the protection and management of our wildlife, particularly species at risk. Over the years initiatives to improve conservation of endangered species have been undertaken on a cooperative basis involving all provincial and territorial jurisdictions and the federal government. This commitment of all jurisdictions is demonstrated by the National Accord for the Conservation of Species at Risk, which was agreed to by all wildlife Ministers from all jurisdictions at Charlottetown last October.

We all are committed to a national approach for the protection of species at risk to prevent these species from becoming extinct as a consequence of human activity. We agreed to participate in the Canadian Species Conservation Council to co-ordinate our activities. And we agreed to establish complimentary legislation and programs that provide effective protection of species at risk.

The federal government has placed before the House of Commons the Canada Endangered Species Protection Act. We are supportive of the principles underlying this Act, but the Act itself does not reflect the approach that we agreed to as Ministers in Charlottetown.

Section 3 of the proposed legislation states that the federal government will assume management responsibility for those species in the Northwest Territories and Yukon, as designated by the Committee on the Status of Endangered Wildlife in Canada, as extirpated, endangered, threatened, or vulnerable.

This means that in the Northwest Territories, the federal government will take back the authority for management programs for polar bears, wood bison, three populations of Peary caribou, grizzly bears, and wolverine.

Over the years and through extensive consultation and cooperation, this government and the people of the Northwest Territories have developed and implemented wildlife management and protection programs for these species, and these programs have achieved great success and have earned international acclaim.

Management and recovery programs for species at risk are an integral part of a multimillion dollar wildlife management program here in the north.

Between one and two million dollars annually is spent on research directly related to the species under discussion. The Government of the Northwest Territories also supports these programs through extensive physical and administrative infrastructure that has taken over 30 years to establish. In addition to government resources in Yellowknife, buildings, vehicles, equipment and staff, all are dedicated to protecting and managing wildlife, and these are found in all communities across the Northwest Territories.

Aboriginal northerners have always had a special relationship with wildlife. Wildlife has meant our survival. The value we place on traditional knowledge and local involvement has resulted in a system of community and regional Wildlife Management Boards. The boards are composed of people whose future depends on adequate resources. We have developed trust and respect for one another and that has contributed substantially to the success of the programs that we have implemented and developed together. People have the local knowledge and are supported by some of the most capable scientists in the world.

I will be leaving for Edmonton to make a presentation to the Standing Committee on the Environment and Sustainable Development. It is my intention to place before them our record of achievement in the protection of endangered species. I will tell them that we are supportive of the principles upon which the bill is based but that amendments are required for the best interest of our species at risk. I will recommend that the legislation be amended in the spirit of the accord that was agreed to by wildlife Ministers in Charlottetown.

The federal government should be involved with the provinces and territories in setting national standards. I welcome federal expertise and especially their money to the table. But, I will recommend that the people of the Northwest Territories remain foremost the primary managers of endangered, threatened and vulnerable species. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 33-13(4): Canada Endangered Species Protection Act

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Muskox Quotas

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Having visited the communities of Gjoa Haven and Taloyoak, talked to the people of both communities, and also in Pelly Bay, the hunters and trappers organization in the three communities have indicated to me, requesting the increase of muskox tags shared by the three communities. According to my information, Mr. Speaker, the current quota for muskox is 40 tags. The request of ORAY is 55 muskox tags, according to my understanding Mr. Speaker. In May, 1996 Kitikmeot Hunters and Trappers Association made a motion in support of an increase for the three communities.

In May, 1998 Nunavut Wildlife Board made a motion in support of the request. In July, 1996 the legislation change proposed was sent from the region to headquarters here in Yellowknife. According also to my understanding, Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Justice has indicated the change of status of the quota will come into effect, or be enacted in early January, 1997. Later on, at the appropriate time, Mr. Speaker, I will ask the Minister of Renewable Resources of the status of the request. Thank you.

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Muskox Quotas

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Seniors' Fuel Subsidy Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to join my honourable colleague, the Member for Hay River , in condemning the government's failure to restore full funding for the Seniors' Fuel Subsidy Program. As my colleague pointed out yesterday, Cabinet has received a clear statement of support for this program. The public wants it back. The Members of our Social Services Committee have shown us how to pay for it. What more needs to be said?

Mr. Speaker, last fall I attended a meeting sponsored by the City of Yellowknife that dealt with the problems seniors face in my community. About 30 people showed up. They talked about safety, housing, recreation, and shrinking government programs. I left the meeting with a troublesome thought. The seniors said politicians have been playing a game of bluff. At all levels of government, elected representatives make motherhood statements acknowledging the contribution seniors make to our communities. The seniors feel that the same leaders cut or clawback support programs when budget time rolls around.

This is a double standard. In my community, it will eventually drive seniors to places where the cost of living is less of a burden. I am glad that the government is launching a review of services offered to seniors. This project should be completed as quickly as possible. We need a clear cut policy on the support that we will give to our elders. Our current piecemeal approach is confusing and frustrating. I fear that it will push away the people we are trying to help.

Mr. Speaker, the seniors in my community acknowledge the governments fiscal problems. They are prepared to contribute to balancing the budget, but we cannot expect them to accept an uncoordinated, rejigging of support programs. We owe it to seniors to develop a clear cut policy that will be applied fairly and in consultation with them and communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Seniors' Fuel Subsidy Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Old Crow School Fire

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is with regret that I bring bad news in regards to the loss to the community of Old Crow in the Yukon, where a fire destroyed their education centre yesterday. Mr. Speaker, the following letter was sent to Chief Randall Tetlichi of the Vuntut Gwich'in First Nation in Old Crow yesterday by Chief William Coe of Fort McPherson after the news came that the Old Crow school was being destroyed by fire.

"It is with regret that we bear news from over the mountains that the education centre in the Vinti Gwich'in is burning. We understand the sense of loss in their community having gone through a similar experience, less than a year ago in Fort McPherson. The only advice we can offer, turn to do things and work together to resolve your differences, it can limit the effect that it will have and continue education for your children. If there is anything that we can do, let us know without hesitation. If there is one thing that the Gwich'in are known for, it is their ability to lend a helping hand in times of need."

That is from the Chief in Fort McPherson. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Old Crow School Fire

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Literacy Golf Tournament

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, before Christmas, I had written to Mr. Peter Gzowski about coming to Iqaluit to attend the annual literacy golf tournament. Peter is no longer able to participate in every tournament, but he just announced that he will be attending the tournament in Iqaluit, the week of April 21st, 1997. That is good news, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, not only will Mr. Gzowski compete in the tournament, but he will be bringing his Morningside production staff in order to do a remote, live broadcast from Iqaluit.

As well, Peter will be accompanied by the film crew from the TV program, Life and Times, who will film Peter as part of a television biography on Mr. Gzowski's life. Other celebrities confirmed for the tournament include well-known actor, singer and star of North of 60, Tom Jackson, Mr. Ernie Coombs, better known as Mr. Dressup, and Nunavut's own children's author, Mr. Michael Kusugak. Michael is also the president of the NWT Literacy Council.

Mr. Speaker, I believe it was in 1990, when we had the first literacy golf tournament in the Northwest Territories here in Yellowknife. That spring, as I caddied around Frame Lake for Ken Dryden and singer Valdy, we never anticipated that the tournament would continue and become more popular every year. The funds generated go to promote literacy and literacy projects in the Northwest Territories.

I should give a little history on how Mr. Gzowski was strong-armed into holding a tournament for literacy in the Northwest Territories. During a regular flight from Iqaluit to Clyde River, Dorothy Kuminapik, at that time the adult educator in Clyde, just happened to be sitting next to Mr. Gzowski on the flight. She questioned Peter as to when he was going to have a golf tournament in the north for literacy. As a result, our first tournament, as I mentioned, occurred the following year, here in Yellowknife on Frame Lake. Dorothy is now living in Iqaluit and will be the poet laureate of the tournament.

Mr. Speaker, it was at that time we started the Northwest Territories Literacy Council. I was one of the first paid members and vice-president. Through the years, the members of the Council have changed, but one constant, in particular, has remained. That constant is the hard work and dedication of Miss Lynn Fogwill of Yellowknife. Lynn has been one of the major driving forces every year in arranging the logistics and promotion of these tournaments.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Literacy Golf Tournament

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Iqaluit is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent, Mr. Picco .

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Literacy Golf Tournament

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That was the first time since November of 1995 that I sought unanimous consent. I appreciate it. Thank you, fans, thank you.

Mr. Speaker, in continuing my statement, the work of Lynn Fogwill, a resident of Yellowknife, has to be acknowledged, and the work she has done with the NWT Literacy Council. I would also like to take this opportunity to thank her for her tremendous work over the past several years. Mr. Gzowski's golf tournaments have raised over $4 million for literacy to date, and of that, $297,103 in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, Mr. Peter Gzowski has many good friends in Iqaluit, like long-time CBC radio personality, Mr. Jonah Kelly, and the one and only, Abe Okpik. The Discovery Lodge, in Iqaluit, has generously agreed to be corporate sponsor and will be donating complimentary rooms for the visiting celebrities. As well, First Air has been very generous in providing air passes for the celebrities to fly from Ottawa to Iqaluit. As in the past, NWT Air continues to be the major sponsor of the tournament in the Yukon and the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to officially invite you, the Premier and the Members of the Assembly, to come to Iqaluit and participate in this important fund-raiser for literacy in the Northwest Territories. As a footnote, one of the major organizers of the tournament in Iqaluit is one of our greatest advocates for literacy, our regional librarian, Miss Yvonne Earle, who has been issued a lay-off notice, and I will be questioning the Minister of Education later today on this matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Literacy Golf Tournament

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Physical Handicaps

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good evening. Hello MLAs. I would like to speak today on people who have physical handicaps. Many Inuit in our area have physical handicaps and some are born already with a handicap. Also some are blind and some are paraplegic. Even some people who are born healthy, because of disease acquire a handicap of some sort. In support of the people who are handicapped, this particular government has not supported the handicapped people in the Northwest Territories.

I would like to see, in the future, that this government will provide a support system for the handicapped people in the Northwest Territories. In the Northwest Territories, we will see some people who cannot walk and some people who are blind and other handicaps. When we see the housing conditions for people who are handicapped are not customized particularly for that person who has a handicap. For that reason, today, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking questions to the government for particulars on programs that deal with handicapped people in the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Physical Handicaps

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Coastguard Icebreakers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends) Mr. Speaker, a situation has come up, one that will directly affect communities in both western and eastern Arctic. As I understand it, Mr. Speaker, the coastguard plans to cut costs by eliminating its one and only icebreaker in the western Arctic. They plan to have one of the remaining icebreakers from the eastern Arctic provide services whenever it is necessary. This plan looked good on paper, Mr. Speaker, but I am very concerned about the effect it will have on remote communities and on sealift operations.

Remote communities throughout the Arctic rely heavily on icebreaking services. Without these services, I feel that sealift operations will certainly be at risk. It was only last year, Mr. Speaker, that one sealift operation required the services of both western and eastern icebreakers. Without such services, sealift operations would not have been possible, and the cost of living would have sky-rocketed. As I said, Mr. Speaker, I am very concerned with this plan. I urge the Minister to take immediate action on this issue and I will be questioning him at an appropriate time today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Coastguard Icebreakers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Nwt's Exploding Birthrate

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to briefly address an issue that is of fundamental concern to all the people in the Northwest Territories. That is the issue of our exploding birthrate.

As we start this budget process, those that look at the documentation will see that the total percentage of the overall budget that is consumed by the social envelope of health, social services, justice, housing and education, continues to expand. It is very clear, to those who look at the information, that one of the big drivers to those exploding costs, which we anticipate or project as an annual $40 million in terms of extra forced growth, is our exploding birthrate.

Mr. Speaker, we have been consumed with the budget and deficit reduction and we are soon to turn our attention, with equal focus and intensity, to division. However, we cannot forget the obligations we have on the social side. Unless we attempt to start to deal with some of the underlying issues that are driving the cost of this government, we are doomed, in this territory, and the two new territories, to endless rounds of repeated cuts, as we attempt to deal with social costs that we cannot control, with increasingly limited revenues.

Mr. Speaker, this is not just the responsibility of this Assembly. This is the responsibility of every person, every community in the Northwest Territories. No one individual has an answer to this, but it is a situation that cannot be ignored and, maybe by starting to work together to address some of these sensitive but critical issues, we can come up with a way to try to deal with this particular issue. To not do that is folly, and is something that we cannot afford. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Nwt's Exploding Birthrate

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Dempster Highway

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, colleagues. The community of Inuvik is continuing to be impacted by this government's decisions in the area of budget reductions. We in Inuvik and the Inuvik Region, are also impacted by other governments in the decisions that they make. For example, Mr. Speaker, last winter in Inuvik, we first heard the news of the Yukon government's discussions on the Dempster Highway in trying to control their costs.

It raised a lot of concern in Inuvik and the surrounding area and communities, because the cost of goods in Inuvik rise dramatically when the Dempster Highway is closed, for whatever conditions. We have two seasons right now when the Dempster Highway closes on an annual basis, when the ferries are pulled out and freeze-up starts to occur and when they are put back in.

Mr. Speaker, as a community, we have raised this issue with our Minister of Transportation , and he was good enough to visit us in Inuvik and meet with the people and hear their concerns on the Dempster Highway issue, as well as other highways that we were hoping to see in our lifetime.

Mr. Speaker, I am happy to say that the Minister has gone a long way since our discussion, and has discussed and had a meeting with the government representatives from the Yukon. I think the people of Inuvik would be happy to hear that we are not looking at the very serious impacts that were first discussed, as a total closure of the Dempster Highway for long periods. I think that as the news is let out on the meeting, the people of Inuvik will be somewhat relieved at what is being discussed today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Dempster Highway

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Impact Of Budget Reductions On The City Of Yellowknife

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is always interesting to read our local Yellowknife newspapers. Some times I like what I read; other times I just have to shake my head. Recently, there was an editorial which I agreed with wholeheartedly. The writer suggested that it was time that Yellowknifers stopped relying on government for our answers and started to get involved and demand answers of our own. It is true that Yellowknife has been hit hard, very hard in the two years of the government deficit management plan. However, we cannot let these cuts defeat us.

Yellowknife was built by a collective of independent, hard-working people. They pulled together as a community and created the vibrant city that I am proud to represent, along with my three Yellowknife colleagues. The City has taken a blow and is limping a bit. We are down but certainly not out. I agree with the editorial, which says that we cannot afford to sit back, and I quote, "Yellowknifers need to get involved. If you don't like what is happening in the city, speak to your MLA."

We need your support, Mr. Speaker, to continue pushing this government to treat Yellowknife fairly and equitably. We need to keep reminding the government that Yellowknife residents are the major contributors to the NWT economy, through our businesses and our taxes. As the MLA for Yellowknife South, I look forward to hearing from Yellowknifers, both with their concerns and with their ideas for how we can make things better.

Mr. Speaker, I hope that many Yellowknife residents will pick up a copy of the budget and give me some feedback, from their perspective, on this document, so that I can represent their concerns better in this House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Impact Of Budget Reductions On The City Of Yellowknife

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Sustainable Polar Bear Population

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to express my gratitude, coming from Nunavut, that our animals are being protected and the fact that there is being research conducted. I have not received any copies of reports that have been researched. In fact, I know the Inuit have not depleted any of the animals that they hunt. There have been many researches in regards to the wildlife management. So, when the time comes for questioning, I will be asking questions on polar bear research. I know, for a fact, from my childhood, that the polar bears population has changed.

In regards to that, I will be directing my question to the appropriate Minister, and I would like a definite answer. The Inuit have never depleted any of the animals that they have used, even though the environment is harsh and all the animals have a tough time living there, they still sustain the hunting environment. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 254

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Services To N'dilo And Detah

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 254

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to speak today about two communities that I represent that are often overlooked by this government. Those two communities, Mr. Speaker, are Detah and N'dilo, which, along the Members that

live in Yellowknife, make up the Yellowknife Dene First Nation. Mr. Speaker, Detah and N'dilo are often overlooked, partly because they are right beside Yellowknife. It is true there are benefits to this closeness. There are programs and services that are accessible, and which would not normally be available to communities this size. However, Mr. Speaker, there are many disadvantages as well. While the people in those communities have access to the programs and services in the city of Yellowknife, most of them cannot afford them because of their poor education, and therefore, high unemployment rate.

Also, their funding sometimes gets lumped in with the city of Yellowknife, but the city of Yellowknife does not provide services for them. Most people also assume that N'dilo is just part of Yellowknife, rather than a community in its own right. This reduces the ability to recognize and deal with the unique needs of the people in N'dilo and Detah.

For instance, even though many people live in N'dilo and in Detah, primarily the band only receives funding for the people living in Detah, they also have to deal with the housing needs of everybody in the band. Also, when they put on workshops, everybody in the band is allowed to come, similarly with feasts and community events. Funding also seems to disappear. For instance, the recreation dollars that Detah receives is based on their population alone, but the band council has to use that funding for both communities and for all the band members. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Erasmus , you have unanimous consent.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 255

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I was saying, recreation dollars for N'dilo seem to have disappeared. Maybe the people down there are non-existent or something, because they are not included in the block funding for the city of Yellowknife either. So, if they are not included in Detah and they are not included in Yellowknife, were is the money going for those 250 people that live there?

N'dilo also used to be recognized in the government's capital plan a few years back. Today, it is not even listed. Similarly, N'dilo has not received funding for programs like community justice committees, and they have never had a base funded adult educator, and neither has the community of Detah. Mr. Speaker, it is good to see that some departments recognize N'dilo as a separate entity, because they have received community action funding separately.

Today, the two communities are trying to officially link up into one community, and they would have a population of around 500. There is also another 200-300 people living in Yellowknife because of the limited housing in N'dilo, and people are on waiting lists to build houses in N'dilo. Mr. Speaker, this government needs to recognize when it creates the pools of community funding, that Detah and N'dilo may be beside Yellowknife, but the needs of the people are quite different.

Mr. Speaker, I suggest that this government should not have to wait until Detah and N'dilo are formally amalgamated through the legal process. This government should recognize and treat Detah and N'dilo as one community as soon as possible. Thank you.

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Page 255

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Page 255

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my pleasure today to recognize someone in the gallery who is a familiar radio voice from CBC Inuvik, Yvonne Kisoun, formerly of Inuvik, but now, I am proud to say, of Hay River.

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Page 255

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Steen .

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Page 255

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today it gives me great pleasure to recognize from Tuktoyaktuk, the Deputy Mayor of Tuk hamlet council, Mr. William Nasagaluak and his wife Eunice. Mr. Nasagaluak is also the owner of the only Reindeer herd in Canada at this time. He and his wife are also active on the local education board.

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Page 255

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Steen . Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a gentleman in the gallery who has been a regular visitor here. From Yellowknife, Mr. Bob Galipeau. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also like to recognize a member of the community of Inuvik, the mayor, Mr. George Roach.

-- Applause

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Page 255

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to recognize Mr. and Mrs. Nasgalowak, they are friends of mine whom I met while working in Tuktoyaktuk. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 151-13(4): Polar Bear Populations

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 256

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Renewable, Wildlife and Economic Development. I just wanted to ask a question regarding some communities. I just wanted to ask in which region are polar bears becoming scarce in the areas of the Baffin, Kitikmeot and Keewatin? What are the results of studies done in this regard. I just want an update to my question. (Translation ends)

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Question 151-13(4): Polar Bear Populations

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 256

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 256

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the Member is asking a question of what species of wildlife have become threatened or become extinct in recent years. To my knowledge, between the time since the Government of the Northwest Territories has assumed responsibility for wildlife management in the Northwest Territories, and since we have begun working with local and regional wildlife management boards, none of the species have become extinct or threatened. In fact, certain species that were considered vulnerable, threatened, or on the verge of extinction, have come back and are well on the road to recovery. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 256

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 256

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask a question to the Minister about employees, especially in our region, in Hall Beach, and also other places. As I stated earlier about such animals or the games are becoming extinct or some animals are coming back to our regions and also presently, we have a worker in our region who is always keeping up to date with the CBC from economic development. We are also aware that in our communities, some polar bears come into our town. We have so many problems with the polar bears in our regions, they become a nuisance. If they are becoming extinct, what is the problem then? (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Barnabas .

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Question 152-13(4): Coastguard Icebreaker Operations

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 256

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to ask a supplementary to what I said earlier. I want to ask the Minister of Transportation regarding the icebreakers, do they come to our regions all year round? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation . Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 256

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, from the honourable Member for the High Arctic Member's statement today, the question is dealing with the Canadian Coast Guard icebreaking services for the western Arctic and the eastern Arctic as well. As we know, the federal government is responsible for providing the service, and there is a plan that is proposed, put forward by the Canadian Coast Guard, to cancel a dedicated icebreaker to service the western Arctic during the 1997 summer resupply season. Perhaps, I will leave it at that and wait for a supplementary. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Barnabas .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 256

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My last question. So are you prepared to give us the answer to my question? Have you discussed this with anyone who has the same concern? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Yes, Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this situation by the Canadian Coast Guard planning to change the way they provide icebreaker service in the western Arctic is a big concern to this government and to myself. The shipping company, especially the NTCL and other businesses in the High Arctic, especially the communities, are very concerned about this issues. My officials have met a number of times with the officials of the Canadian Coast Guard.

We have sent very strong letters to them, and we have attended a meeting recently of the new committee that was set up by the Canadian Coast Guard, they have established a board called The Arctic Marine Advisory Board, that is chaired by the President of the NTCL, Cameron Clement. They have already had a meeting December 6. They are planning to have another meeting February 3 and 4 in Iqaluit. This board is very concerned about the icebreaker situation in the High Arctic, and we are taking a very strong stand to try to find different ways to deal with this issue. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 153-13(4): Regional Librarian Positions

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 257

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as Mr. Roy Erasmus has reminded us, education is critical to having a population that is self-sufficient. The literacy in the NWT is very low. An important link in promoting this is our community libraries. These libraries are run by dedicated, underpaid individuals who try to help their communities. In the Baffin and Keewatin, these librarians are trained and assisted by regional librarians. This support is critical, Mr. Speaker, because the headquarters for the library staff are located thousands and thousands of miles away in that far off place called Hay River.

Can the Minister indicate how cutting regional librarians in these two regions is consistent with the emphasis this government has on promoting literacy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 257

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the elimination of the regional librarian positions in Rankin and Iqaluit will bring those two regions in line with what is occurring in other regions of the Northwest Territories. Given our experience in the Kitikmeot and the Fort Smith regions, we do not feel that there will be any significant effect on delivery of service by the community libraries in those regions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

I guess we could say, Mr. Speaker, in the old days the library was a place where everyone was very quiet and could get books. As we all know a lot has changed and libraries are becoming very interesting places with computer terminals, and so on. Can the Minister responsible for the library service, Mr. Dent , describe to me, to this House, what he means when he says public library service, what range of service does the Minister see in those libraries, when there is no regional librarian in the library?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the same amount of support can be provided to the community libraries as is being provided now. We will still have an ongoing program providing management assistance and training to those who staff community libraries. There really will not be any significant change in what is available to community libraries, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Over the past couple of days on my questioning in this area, the Minister keeps talking about some of the changes in the libraries that are going to take place, and I guess the biggest change is technology. I guess in larger centres libraries can access Internet and other technology which expands its service. Does the Minister see Internet services and accessed information workstation as a key piece of future community libraries?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Page 257

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is my expectation that within the next 18 months, every single community within the Northwest Territories will have access to high speed digital lines, and as a result, we will be able to ensure that every community has better access to information which is typically provided by libraries right now. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral question. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Page 257

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I look forward to joining the Minister on that information highway. Hopefully, passing him by. The idea of having technology in a community library, I guess, is a good goal. However, this government is only now just starting to develop the process of developing the electronic backbone of a system which will allow communities to access electronic information systems. In the meantime, people will still need a human link between the community residents and the information they need. In the Baffin and Keewatin, the community librarian plays that important role.

Can the Minister indicate whether his department considered retaining the regional librarian positions until our technology systems are tried and tested and actually up and running? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, as I have stated, this move will bring those two regions in line with what is happening in other regions of the Northwest Territories. I cannot justify treating those regions differently than I would, for instance, the Kitikmeot. The answer is, we will proceed with changes that I have outlined, and I think it is important to point out that the services will still be available at the community level. This change will not affect delivery at the community level. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 154-13(4): Inuvik Health Smoke Advisory

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 258

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be directed toward the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . Mr. Speaker, in Inuvik for the last couple of weeks, as I left the community of Inuvik, the solid waste site was burning and has continued to burn. Since that time, the town council of Inuvik agreed with Inuvik Regional Health Board that environmental health smoke advisory be issued. My question to the Minister of MACA is, will she work with the community of Inuvik in trying to resolve this issue in a quick and decisive manner? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . Ms Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will get my staff to work on it right away. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 258

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Seeing that the smoke coming from those fires is causing extreme risk, especially to those who have respiratory problems, I would like to know if the Minister would try and meet with the mayor who is in town in the City of Yellowknife at this time, if that is possible to organize that in the short time that he may have here. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Ms Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will set a meeting with the mayor while he is down here as soon as possible.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 155-13(4): Bhp/gnwt Socio-economic Agreement

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 258

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for RWED, and it pertains to the socio-economic agreement that was signed between BHP and the GNWT, in which there were obligations agreed to by both parties. My question to the Minister is in relation to the commitments made by the Government of the Northwest Territories, of which they are a number. Could the Minister indicate whether there will be new funds for these particular commitments, or are we expected to use existing resources? Thank you.

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Page 258

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Page 258

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the socio-economic agreement, and the commitments that we made, covers a whole range of issues such as employment, training, business development, cultural, health and social service matters. There has been no specific initiative on the part of this government to allocate specific dollars to meet the commitments that we have outlined. All departments are expected to, within existing resources and proposed departmental budgets, meet the tasks that are expected of them in order to meet the commitments made by this government when we signed that agreement. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 258

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I recently spent some time with one of the officials with BHP who had indicated that they had met with some of the communities and that the issue of day care centres and day care programs came up. As an example, could the Minister indicate what he means by working with existing resources and working with the communities? Does that mean it goes into the planning process, or that they will just have to get in line with everybody else for the limited resources? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, there are, I think, provisions within the government programs that will allow for the creation of day care centres and there are possibilities to access some funds within existing programs to establish day care centres where there is a need, and where they are viable. So, there is no specific program being set up specifically as a result of our commitment with the socio-economic agreement. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 258

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate whether the affected departments that are being impacted by this agreement have been made aware of what is being committed to, and that they may be expected to be responding on behalf of the government? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, as far as I am aware all deputy ministers are fully aware of the commitments that this government makes when we sign agreements. The agreements have been passed on to senior management and being dealt with at that level. To prepare the individual departments, giving them time to develop plans on how they

are going to carry out the commitments that fall within their mandate and responsibilities. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is not so much a question, as it is to thank the Minister for his concise and to the point answers. It is much appreciated. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I will remind the Members about that after question period. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 156-13(4): Keewatin Region Muskox Quotas

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 259

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister responsible for wildlife management. As I stated in my statement, there is an outstanding request from the three communities that I represent to increase muskox quota in the area of H1-2. Mr. Speaker, I would like to begin by commending this government, the people of NWT, hunters and trappers, for their effort to make sure that we manage the wildlife the way we are expected by the scientific community, and by the international conservation organization. I think we should show why do we do well in the area of conservation? Mr.

Speaker, we do well because we are dependent upon the wildlife that we have in this jurisdiction. As I indicated in my Member's statement, according to the information that I have received from the government, the enactment to change the quota system for Pelly Bay and Spence Bay was to be enacted in January of 1997. My question to the honourable Minister is, what is the status of the request? Has this government acted to allow the increase of muskox quota for area H1-2? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 259

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, there is a muskox management area designated in the east Kitikmeot, which the Member is referring to, that has a quota allocated to it of roughly, I think it is, 40 muskox on an annual basis. There has been a request that has been processed with the proper consultation and approvals from the designated bodies over the last year or two. What we require is to change the big game hunting regulations, in order to meet the request to change it to 55.

The changes in regulation are presently within the Department of Justice, and as of this afternoon I am aware that is still, hopefully this will all be done in time to meet the needs of the region in the next few weeks. It is our expectation that we will be able to comply in time for the hunting season. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Question 156-13(4): Keewatin Region Muskox Quotas

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 259

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, supplementary to the same article. Minister, recognizing that we have a support from every wildlife management group conceivable in the system, namely Kitikmeot region, will the Honourable Minister communicate with the Minister of Justice to speed up the process? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I shall enquire of the Minister if there is some assurance that he can give as to how soon the process will be completed so that we can inform the people of Kitikmeot that we have and are able to meet their requests on a timely basis. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 157-13(4): Funding Arrangements For Detah And N'dilo

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 259

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier . Mr. Premier , I just wanted to follow up on my Member's statement on the funding for Detah and N'dilo. Considering the fact that they are in the process of amalgamating into one community, is it possible for this government to start treating Detah and N'dilo as one community, in terms of funding? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is not a new issue to this government and it has been raised previously through previous governments about N'dilo and Detah working to become one community and given proper funding. Presently, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs and the Minister is working with both Chief Beaulieu and Chief Sangris to try to facilitate that. The Department of MACA is currently facilitating discussions between the band and the city to determine the financial arrangements that can be made to transfer funding to the band, so that it can deliver services to N'dilo residents directly, as well. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Considering the fact that it may take some time for the amalgamation to formally occur, is it possible for the Cabinet to start treating the two communities as one community prior to the formal legal process has been completed, and to inform them of such? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Page 260

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Presently, whenever any issues come up in N'dilo and Detah, I know that many times I have seen the chiefs, Mr. Beaulieu and Mr. Sangris, visit the Minister's office to talk directly to the Ministers. We never talk to the Mayor of Yellowknife on the N'dilo and Detah issues. We do treat them separately, and we will continue to do that. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 260

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 158-13(4): Review Of Programs Provided To Seniors

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 260

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are addressed to the Minister for Education, Culture, and Employment . Presently the support to seniors in the Northwest Territories run a full spectrum from no support to full support. For example, in public housing where all the living expenses, except possibly for food and incidentals, are covered by this government, programs of support to seniors are uncoordinated and inconsistent. As such, it is my understanding that these programs are in the process of being reviewed.

Can the Minister confirm for me that this review is in fact planned or under way and what we might expect to see addressed in that review and what time frame we are looking at? That is just one question, by the way.

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Page 260

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. How many questions is that? The Minister of Education, Culture, and Employment , Mr. Dent . Three questions, I heard.

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Question 158-13(4): Review Of Programs Provided To Seniors

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 260

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can confirm that there is a review under way of programs provided to seniors. I am afraid that I do not have the time table with me for the review, so I will have to take the last two questions as notice.

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Page 260

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 159-13(4): Old Crow School Fire

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 260

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my opening statement I read a letter from the Chief of Fort McPherson to the Chief of Old Crow in regards to the destruction of their school. In response to that, the community has made an offer to the people of Old Crow to assist them because they have gone through a similar incident a year ago, in which we had to cope with the loss of the school and also, how do you deal with the whole question about where you put the students, and dealing with stress that comes along with a loss of any major facility, especially for the children.

In regard to the Fort McPherson groups, which consists of the education council, the band, Tl'oondih healing society. They are formulating a committee to look at what is going to be needed for Old Crow, especially because this fire occurred while school was being conducted. A lot of the children were left with just the shirts on their backs. They lost their parkas, their toques, and their shoes, and whatever. So with that, Mr.

Speaker, I would like to question to the Premier if there is any way that this government can assist in this matter to help the Fort McPherson working group in regards to their efforts, allow them with this government, to assist the people of Old Crow. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 260

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Page 260

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too would like to pass on my condolences on the loss of the school in Old Crow in the Yukon to those people. I know how important a building of that nature is to the people in a various small remote community. As far as what this government can do to assist in Old Crow, as the Members know that we as a public government are entrusted with funds on behalf of the public of the Northwest Territories to spend on Northwest Territories residents. It would be quite difficult for us to assist financially in the Yukon, pretty well impossible.

We can help by getting the news out, we can help by asking people in different communities to donate to people in Old Crow, Yukon for the books and whatever else is available. We do have people that can assist in that way. I would be pleased to find out who does that sort of thing on behalf of the government and put them in touch with Mr. Krutko . Thank you.

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Page 260

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 260

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to knowing this is in another jurisdiction, is there any possible way this government could put out a call letter for items such as clothing for the children in regards to parkas or shoes or whatever. Having gone through this with the destruction of the Chief Julius School in Fort McPherson, is there a policy in place that we can possibly assist by allowing that policy to be used to assist another jurisdiction in the destruction of a fire?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 260

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I am not too sure whether the question was, does this government have a policy in place to help other jurisdictions. Mr. Krutko , is that the question?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 260

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The question relates to the incident that occurred in Fort McPherson last year. I asked the question, is there a policy in place from this government to deal with disasters such as a loss of a school, so that we can assist and be able to orientate the community along with the organizations to pull themselves together and know where to go and find those resources to assist in finding locations for classrooms, finding books and other things like that, which may be needed to get them through that period of time when there is no school in that community.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 260

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

It is difficult to rule on this because it is related to a concern outside the Northwest Territories. I will ask if the Premier is willing to respond. Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like I said earlier, our sympathy does go out to the community. I do believe that the Yukon government has not requested any assistance from the Northwest Territories government that I know of. They do have the jurisdiction of Old Crow in the Yukon and they must have emergency measures.

As a matter of fact, when I met with the Minister of Transportation from the Yukon government today, he did inform me that as we spoke there was a team going into the Old Crow from the Yukon government to assess the situation, meet with the community leadership, so that the Yukon government could respond in a very effective, timely manner to the disaster in Old Crow, Yukon. The Yukon government does seem to have the situation handled and once again we do pass on our condolences to that community. We wish Fort McPherson all the best in raising donations to assist the Gwich'in in the Yukon.

I am sure people watching the Legislative Assembly, if Mr. Krutko could just let those people know where they can send things to assist, I am sure they will, as northerners usually do. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 261

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just a question to the government, is the government willing to assist in regards to the travel of this working group or committee that has been established in McPherson to assist the people of Old Crow by travelling over there and pick up the cost for that travel?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Sorry, Mr. Krutko . I must rule the question out of order. You are asking the Premier on an issue that is not his responsibility. It is the Yukon government's responsibility. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 160-13(4): Community Infrastructure Funding

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 261

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is to the Finance Minister , Mr. Todd . In the budget address which was tabled on January 27th, a couple of days ago, the Minister, as one of the initiatives to try and create some employment in the Territories, talked about the infrastructure agreement between the federal, territorial and municipal governments. I understand that these funds are mainly targeted for small construction community infrastructure. I think every MLA could use additional infrastructure in their communities.

At the same time, I think this is costing us a lots of additional funds that we do not have now to operate that infrastructure and I think the Minister alluded to it yesterday on the question of zambonies. But my question to the Minister is, is there potential to contribute more than $1 million from the GNWT? Would the federal government match that money? If this could happen, could it be used for other than municipal projects or small projects? Could we look at some seed money for highways, sort of to continue with that road to resources? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The current infrastructure program that we announced in the budget under the guardianship of Mr. Dent , is just an extension of the existing one. The dollars, of course, are pre-determined by the federal government and it is a 50/50 match up. They put up 1.1 and we are putting up 1.1. I asked Mr. Dent in these discussions to indicate to them if there were any other additional dollars, we would be prepared to try and find the matching ones. My understanding is, there are no additional dollars other than what they have identified. We are not in a position, as Mr. Henry indicates, to do the kinds of road infrastructure that he is intimating.

However, I know that discussions are under way right now at the federal level about the possibility of a road-type infrastructure program. It is premature right now to be able to give you any idea whether that politically will move forward, how it will be financed if it does move forward, and what impact it would have on the Territories. But it is something the Minister of Transportation and the Premier have a particular interest in.

Depending on how, would it be fair to say, the coming two or three months unfold prior to the next federal election, there may be a possibility of some of these new programs as you have suggested. But under the current infrastructure program, it is just a continuation of the old one and it is to a maximum of 1.1 million, which we are going to match up with 1.1 million. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The 1.1 million as a continuation, were there additional funds or more funds contributed in previous years? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, I believe, if my memory serves me correctly and if my casual conversation with Mr. Dent is correct, in the previous one, which was I believe a three year deal, I think the total amount of dollars involved was $17 million. It was done under this previous government. I believe Mr. Dent is close to making an agreement right now with the federal government for 1.1 million. Previous one, over a three-year term, was 17 million. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have known the Finance Minister now for approximately a year and a half and I have yet to hear him accepting no for an answer. He tells me that there is potentially 17 million over a three year program that was in place. Will the Minister consider going back to the federal government, first to attempt to get more funds, and secondly try to persuade the federal government that we could use additional infrastructure, major projects such as highways and roads to resources. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. You used up your final supplementary too. Two questions.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes. Two questions, six answers. Mr. Speaker. First of all, we did take the initiative as Mr. Henry suggests, to see if there were any additional dollars over and above the $1.1 million under the current infrastructure fund. I believe, if my discussion with Mr. Dent is right, that was the maximum they were prepared to give us at this time.

I believe that Mr. Dent is in negotiations right now to try and finalize that. We are very much aware, if anybody is aware, we are aware that any additional dollars that we can get, particularly 50 cent dollars, are to our advantage and of course both practical and political. On the larger issue of trying to find additional resources or to make an arrangement with the federal government and possibly industry on the need for a cooperative approach to an infrastructure highway program, that was under way under the previous government and under previous transportation Ministers and I believe is continuing under the current one.

As I said, we are still hoping, and the signals we are hearing, that there is a possibility that a new joint fund may come about. If that does happen I want to assure my colleague that we will be there at the federal government table seeking our share of the appropriate funding that may came about. There is nothing definitive at this time as to whether the federal government is going to move forward on a joint sponsorship of an infrastructure road program. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 161-13(4): Transfer Of Insurance Liability To Communities

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 262

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for MACA . It is in reference to the community empowerment and also community transfers. Mr. Speaker, I raise the concern of the transfer of liability provisions to the hamlets. Mr. Speaker, in an agreement that was signed with the Hamlet of Baker Lake. It stipulated that the GNWT agrees to transfer to the council the responsibility and liability, in so doing relinquishes the Minister from any responsibility and liability. The council agrees to accept all associated liabilities. Mr.

Speaker, my question to the Minister is, have all the hamlets been clearly advised of the fact that they have to assume all liability? Are they clearly aware of it? Also, are these small communities able to secure this type of insurance? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 262

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . Ms Thompson. Two questions.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will get more in