Debates of May 14th, 1996

This is page numbers 331 - 362 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was communities .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Minister Absent From The House

Distance Learning Initiatives

Recreation Leaders Program Graduates

Dot Minister's Meeting With Abt

Water Quality In Fort Mcpherson

Giving Thanks To People Of Arviat And Nwtpc

Name For New Western Territory

Arctic Bay Students' Trip To Ottawa

Extending Thanks To Residents Of Arviat

Graduation At Aurora Campus

Community Empowerment

Effects Of Fas/fae

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Delay In Mail Delivery To Eastern Communities

Quality Of Drinking Water In Fort Mcpherson

Establishment Of Protected Areas In Nwt

Policy For Warning Of Effects Of Drinking While Pregnant

Restrictions On Purchasing B Social Assistance Recipients

Rates Of Pay For Student Summer Employment

Utilization Of Collection Agencies By GNWT

Commitment Of Nwthc To Hold District Consultation Meetings

Responsibility For Land Pricing At Community Level

Reports On Electronic Monitoring Program

Equal Treatment Re Land Reform For Eastern And Western Arctic

Item 10: Replies To Budget Address

Item 11: Petitions

Item 14: Tabling Of Documents

Recision Of March 28, 1996 Committee Of The Whole Decision

Bill 13: Loan Authorization Act, 1996-97

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Tribute To Mr. Brian Brown

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine , Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Minister's Statement 50-13(3): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Premier will be absent from the House today and tomorrow to attend meetings with the Prime Minister of Canada and the Honourable Stephan Dionne in Ottawa. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 50-13(3): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 51-13(3): Distance Learning Initiatives

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, I would like to inform this Assembly how my department is using information technology to improve services and how it plans to make the most of a new data communications network that will link northern communities over the next two years.

The Department of Education, Culture and Employment has been actively involved in developing the northern information highway, in partnership with educational institutions, the private sector, the federal government, aboriginal organizations and the NWT Internet community. One of the most popular initiatives is a territorial education bulletin board, which has linked most educators and many students for the past four years.

My department also established the NWT's first World Wide Web site, which has been operating for more than a year and a half. The department has helped pilot a desktop video conferencing system, which has been used by high school science classes in Pond Inlet and Kimmirut.

Through the community access program, the department has provided public access to the Internet and training in 14 communities this year.

Mr. Speaker, my department plans to build on these accomplishments. A distance learning project team is assessing projects to be started in the next year. These include:

- training programs to help educators make the best possible use of information technology;

- automated access to the catalogue for the territorial public library system;

- improved access to career planning information;

- evelopment of aboriginal language operating systems and data distribution systems; and,

- expansion of the community access program to all NWT communities.

Mr. Speaker, the new territorial data communications network will save this government money. There will be less need for staff travel, reduced printing costs and streamlined administration. But more importantly, better access to information will mean all residents of the Northwest Territories will have a chance to improve their education. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 51-13(3): Distance Learning Initiatives

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mrs. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 52-13(3): Recreation Leaders Program Graduates

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to offer my congratulations to the 12 students who, last Friday, graduated from Aurora College's recreation leaders' diploma program in Inuvik.

The department has long been a partner with Aurora College in this program since its first students started back in 1986. The program has provided northerners and our recent graduates with a unique blend of classroom education and on-the-job practicum training, both in Inuvik and their home communities. Most graduates are now returning to their communities to assume recreation leadership positions.

The graduates are Dean McLeod of Aklavik, who received the Minister's award for practicum excellence; Adam Smith and Jon Buchan of Yellowknife; Collin McPherson and Nyla Klugie of Whitehorse; David Fredlund of Rankin Inlet; Donna Sabourin of Whale Cove; Faye Doctor of Tulita; Remi Krikort of Pelly Bay; Sharon Idlout of Igloolik; Simon Kuliktana of Kugluktuk; Steve Cockney of Tuktoyaktuk.

I would also like to acknowledge and thank the community councils of each graduate for supporting the development of recreation and local leaders in their communities. Recreation leaders are important to the physical and social health of their communities and play a major role in providing activities that support their residents' well-being.

Mr. Speaker, as we continue to work together to empower communities, we hope to continue building on successes such as the recreation leaders' program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 52-13(3): Recreation Leaders Program Graduates

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Dot Minister's Meeting With Abt

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to thank the Honourable Jim Antoine , Minister of Transportation , for setting aside time to meet with members of ABT to discuss concerns which I raised in the House last week.

I believe the meeting today was fairly successful and it allowed ABT to express their concerns and also started the important role of opening communication between the department and community. I would also like to say there is a need to review the existing set of policies and other policies in our system to make them more accommodating to true northern companies and give them an ability to benefit from contracts.

There is a need to ensure all contracts have some form of local training component. This could possibly be used as a benchmark within the business incentive policy and other policies. I believe, Mr. Speaker, that today is the start for this review and I would like to thank the Minister of Transportation in organizing the need and assisting myself in pursuing it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Dot Minister's Meeting With Abt

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Water Quality In Fort Mcpherson

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One thing that we may take for granted is water quality in our communities. In the case of Fort McPherson, there has been a real outcry with regard to the taste and colour of our water. At this time of year, it is a very brown colour. Year after year, there have been concerns raised, yet the department has made temporary arrangements to upgrade the facility, but it seems that the community has identified the problem as the water source and not the processing treatment that is used. You can't remove the smell of the water at this time of year.

The water has high traces of chlorine due to the system used to break down the different chemicals such as magnesium and the pH balance.

Some things we take for granted, such as drinking water out of a tap. We have to look at what is more important. We have had a high number of people with cancer in the community. People in the past have stated that it is because of the chlorine that is used in the water system. There may be a connection because of the large amounts of chlorine to bring the water up to a certain standard. We may have to look at the whole health issue.

With that, I will be asking the Minister an appropriate question on that matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Water Quality In Fort Mcpherson

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Giving Thanks To People Of Arviat And Nwtpc

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to offer my thanks to the people of Arviat. They welcomed us with open arms. They were very kind to us and they organized the meeting very well. I would also like to thank the MLA from Arviat. He made the arrangements properly. As well, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the Minister for the NWT Power Corporation. The oil spill in Igloolik has been fixed and we were well informed of the occurrences that were happening. Although this was an emergency situation, they fixed it up very well. Thank you.

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Giving Thanks To People Of Arviat And Nwtpc

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Qujannamiik. I would like to remind that Members' statements are for Members to make a statement based on only one item. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Name For New Western Territory

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as we all know, on April 1, 1999, the Northwest Territories will be divided into two new territories. The new eastern territory will be called Nunavut, however there hasn't been a decision on the name for the new Western Territory. As a suggestion of the other western groups involved in constitutional work, a subcommittee of the Western Caucus has been given the responsibility of finding out what western residents want our territory to be called. Four weeks ago, we started the process by inviting the residents of the Western Arctic to help name the new Western Territory.

Schools, band councils, Metis locals and municipal offices throughout the Western Arctic received information packages with details of how to submit a suggestion. There were also advertisements in local papers. We want to hear from you. If you think the new territory should have a new name, let us know what name would capture the heart and soul of the people and the land we live in. If you think Northwest Territories is just right, then let us know that, too.

So far, over 300 people have let us know what they think the name should be and why. Of those, 95 per cent have suggested keeping the name "Northwest Territories''

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Whether you want to keep the name "Northwest Territories" or want something new, we need to hear from you. The only way we can know what people think is if you call us, write us or send us a message on the information highway. Make sure your voice is heard.

On behalf of the Subcommittee on Naming the Western Territory, I encourage everyone to let us know what you think. Talk to your friends and family and think about who we are. You have until the end of July to get your suggestions in to us, and we look forward to hearing from you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Name For New Western Territory

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Arctic Bay Students' Trip To Ottawa

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in April, the social studies 33 class from Arctic Bay travelled to Ottawa. During the field trip ... (Translation ends)

... they went to Trent University in Peterborough to find out about the native studies program there. They met with their MP, Jack Anawak, Pauktuutit and met the Arctic Ambassador for Canada, Ms. Mary Simon. In order to take this trip, the students raised the sizable sum of $3,500 through bake sales, raffles and part-time jobs. They worked hard for this trip. They also reached out to businesses from Ottawa and. in particular, the Rotary Club in Nepean, Ontario.

I rise today to give tribute to this outstanding class of students. They will be the first grade 12 class to graduate from the new community high school in Arctic Bay. This trip was a big help to the students because it was very helpful in preparing them for the next step in their education, which could require them to go to school in southern Canada.

I would like to pay tribute to the students and their teacher, Mr. Blake Seward and, in particular, to thank First Air and Ms. Sonja Maviglia for the generous contribution First Air made to make this trip possible through discount fares.

Congratulations to the school, the students and their teacher. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Arctic Bay Students' Trip To Ottawa

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Extending Thanks To Residents Of Arviat

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On one item...And, Mr. Speaker, I will not be asking for unanimous consent for my statement.

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to offer my thanks to the people of Arviat for their assistance when the Nunavut Leaders' Summit had their meeting there. First of all, I would like to thank Kevin O'Brien , the MLA for Kivalliq. He was very welcoming to us all. Also, the Arviat mayor, David Alagalak, was very kind to us. Also, other people who organized the meeting prior to our arrival and

who worked very hard, I would like to thank as well. Also, my friend, Inoluk, I would like to thank him, as well. The people who entertained, Simon Sejjirak, Emiel and the Arviat band; I would like to thank them as well. The population of Arviat came to the community hall and helped us out. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Extending Thanks To Residents Of Arviat

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Qujannamiik. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Graduation At Aurora Campus

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During the past weekend, I was home in my community of Inuvik and, at that time, I attended the graduation ceremony at the Aurora Campus of Aurora College. At that time, there were 95 students graduating. It was good to be part of the ceremonies and to see so many people taking advantage of our education system and bettering themselves and moving ahead to prepare themselves for a productive future.

I would like to say to all the graduates who went through the different programs they took

part in, that I wish them the best in their future. Hopefully, the changes we're making will help increase the opportunities they have to be gainfully employed. Thank you.

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Graduation At Aurora Campus

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Community Empowerment

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to make some brief comments about community empowerment. Last week when I was in my community, I had some meetings with the community leadership. While we talked about budgets and reductions, we also talked about some of the changes that the Premier talked about and when he tabled his Agenda for Change in the Assembly.

What is perceived as a keystone to that Agenda for Change is the government's position on community empowerment and what that means. There is a major interest in Fort Smith of the community groups, the band, the Metis Nation and the town council to sit down and start talking about how we implement that and what it means. They asked me for something in writing. They asked me what is the plan. We have a general blueprint as tabled in the House, but we don't have the other particulars that we need to start moving forward.

It is critical for us, as MLAs, to be able to go to our communities with something specific. In Fort Smith, we would like to plan for a major meeting in early fall to discuss the whole issue of community empowerment, and we would like to be able to sit down with the Ministers involved to do that. I just want to encourage the government to put that paper on the table. I know we're going to be looking at papers from the Minister of Health and Social Services on community wellness; through Justice, community justice. All these issues are very intricately related and it's critical that we have something that we can go to the communities with that they can read, that they can see and touch.

We are waiting in Fort Smith. There is great potential for this, and I look forward to the government's papers and positions on this. Thank you.

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Community Empowerment

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Effects Of Fas/fae

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to make a statement concerning a very grave problems that we face in the Northwest Territories. This problem I speak of is fetal alcohol syndrome and fetal alcohol effect. There have been comments made that 40 to 60 per cent of the children in some of the schools are suffering from these effects. This problem occurs when women drink during their pregnancy and it affects the formation of the organs of the foetus. Also, when the father of a child drinks prior to making love, that can also affect the child. It's not only on the mother's part. It can affect fertility and miscarriage.

Some of the effects, Mr. Speaker, of fetal alcohol syndrome is that the children are born smaller, they are lower in weight, they get sick easily, they take longer to get better. Normally, an FAS child only matures to a grade 4 level and they usually do not become independent as adults. It also affects the nervous system. They can be colicky and fussy as a baby, they can be hyperactive as a toddler, they may have learning disabilities. It also affects facial features and causes birth defects such as heart defects, kidney problems, liver problems and smaller brain size.

It has been estimated that FAS costs approximately $100 million from birth to the age of 18, with extra education, health and everything else.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Effects Of Fas/fae

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Continue, Mr. Erasmus .

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Effects Of Fas/fae

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This study that I was just talking about indicated that, in 1990, the economic cost of FAS to the United States totalled more than $2 billion in US dollars. If Canadian numbers are 10 per cent of the United States numbers, that implies the 1990 cost to the Canadian economy was over $250 million.

Mr. Speaker, I urge this government to come up with a comprehensive program to deal with fetal alcohol system and fetal alcohol effects. This would include education in schools, the warning labels on liquor bottles, posters in bars, working with the women's organizations and health organizations to implement such a program, and any other factors that people can think of that would help. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Further Return To Question 133-13(3): Public Input On Business Incentive Policy

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Erasmus on May 2, 1996, regarding public input on the business incentive policy.

Over the past three years, there have been two rounds of public consultation on the proposed business incentive policy. Meetings were held in 17 communities in all the regions. The concerns and issues raised at those meetings will be taken into consideration when Cabinet reviews the proposed policy. Unless major changes are made to the proposal, I do not see a need at this time to hold further public meetings or sessions on this issue. However, we remain open to receiving input from interested groups or individuals. Thank you.

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Further Return To Question 133-13(3): Public Input On Business Incentive Policy

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Dent .

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Further Return To Questions 147-13(3): Guidelines For Use Of Social AssistanceReturn To Question 152-13(3): Information Provided To Retailers On Social Assistance Provisions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Steen on May 3, 1996, regarding information provided to retailers on social assistance provisions.

Mr. Speaker, income support workers assess the needs of all clients asking for support. They calculate what they are entitled to receive through the income support program and give them a written assessment, including the amount of money provided for rent, food, clothing and utilities.

Income support workers provide cheques directly to about 40 per cent of people receiving assistance. They also provide cheques to local suppliers, such as grocery stores, landlords and utility companies, on behalf of about 60 per cent of income support clients.

We do not have a policy saying exactly what groceries people should buy with their support cheques; nor do we tell grocery stores what they can sell to income support clients. Health and Social Services has information and staff in communities promoting good nutrition. Also, where the income support worker thinks it is necessary, he or she may ask the community health representative, or a homemaker, to advise individuals receiving support about nutrition and budgeting, and to help individuals shop for their groceries.

Hand-outs on nutrition and NWT food guides are available in community health centres. We will now ensure that income support workers provide some of these basic information hand-outs on nutrition to clients receiving support. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Ng .

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 335

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have two returns. One return to an oral question asked by Mr. Miltenberger on March 28, 1996, with respect to evaluation of child welfare information systems in Health and Social Services.

Since the departments of Health and Social Services were consolidated, there has been an ongoing review of information needs and the systems needed to meet management requirements. As expected, there is a need to integrate and upgrade or, in the case of child welfare, replace the existing information system.

Work has already been initiated on the redesign of the department's management information function and systems, and is scheduled to be completed by the end of the fiscal year. A new and comprehensive child welfare system that meets all legislative and management requirements is included in the redesign program and will also be fully implemented by the end of the year.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 335

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Speaker, a second return to an oral question asked by Mr. Erasmus on May 3, 1996, with respect to the inquiry into the electronic monitoring program for NWT offenders.

Research by corrections staff on the possible use of electronic monitoring in the NWT has been ongoing since 1991.

Information about new projects in other jurisdictions was circulated to the heads of corrections meeting in October 1995. Two different articles were taken from the Internet dated March 7, 1996.

The most recent cross-Canada survey to determine how many jurisdictions use electronic monitoring was completed by RCMP officers working in aboriginal policing. This was shared with NWT corrections staff on March 29, 1996. Corrections staff discussed the issue with NorthwesTel in early April 1996, in order to determine if electronic monitoring was technically feasible.

The correctional services division in the Department of Justice in Alberta and the Department of Justice in the Yukon were also contacted at that time to discuss their progress in implementing this technology. Reports were received from Alberta and a status report was given over the phone from the Yukon. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Page 335

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ootes .

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Page 335

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to welcome to the gallery a neighbour and friend of mine. He is a prominent well-known lawyer in Yellowknife. Did he leave? I will introduce him anyway; Mr. Adrian Wright.

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Page 335

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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Page 335

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this time, I would like to recognize the press who have been sitting here and taking in what has been happening over the last few weeks. Thank you.

--- Applause

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 210-13(3): Delay In Mail Delivery To Eastern Communities

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 335

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question to the Deputy Premier with regard to the mail that goes into our communities. It takes a long time in order to reach the communities. For instance, there are about six flights that go back east. Even from Ottawa to Montreal, they have regular flights every day back east. There is a direct flight from Iqaluit to Igloolik, Hall Beach and Pond Inlet. It takes a long time for the mail to arrive at those communities, even if they are just coming from Iqaluit. The mail takes a long time to reach the communities from Iqaluit. Can the Deputy Premier find out why it takes so long for the mail to reach the communities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 335

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . Deputy Premier.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 335

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Even though we don't have any control over Canada Post, we communicate regularly with Canada Post. I will relay that question to them and then inform the Member. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

(Translation) Thank you. (Translation ends) Mr. Krutko .

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Question 211-13(3): Quality Of Drinking Water In Fort Mcpherson

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 335

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs or Public works and Services, whoever can help me with the issue of the water treatment plant in Fort McPherson, which I made note of in my opening statement. Over the years, there has been a real concern. This past spring has probably been the worst. The water smells and has heavy traces of chlorine. People have been complaining to the Health department, the

hamlet office and myself asking if anything is going to be done.

The mayor of Fort McPherson has written to Goo Arlooktoo with regard to the possibility of finding an alternative well, or lake. Their main concern is because the lake that is presently being used has become a dead lake. That is where they are tracing the water to. In a report I received yesterday from Ken Lovely, it clearly states that one prominent concern, which is still outstanding, is that ... (inaudible) ... which is a by-product between chlorine and certain dissolved organisms in the water system. THM is a source of carcinogens, which is a cancer-causing component. That is what is in this report.

My concern is, if this is a cancer-causing component in the water treatment process, what effect is it having on the population of Fort McPherson. The solution is to try to pour as much chlorine into the system to get rid of this cancer causing component. It doesn't seem to be working. My question to the Minister is, will he make this a priority item for his department and find the resources needed to look at a new water source and resolve this problem which I now see as a health issue and not just a public issue.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Deputy Premier.

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Page 336

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I am well aware of the situation. I did give information to the Member this morning, which was the report he talks about. In this report, it states that the water quality is an annual problem. It talks about a temporary problem on an annual basis. I am informed that the water quality is treated and it does conform to the Canadian drinking water guidelines. However, there are complaints about odour and discolouration.

As for further work that the Member asks about, I am informed that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs has allocated $40,000 to review the functions and operations of the existing water supply for next year. The intent there is to find and recommend a more stable year round water source. So we are working on it.

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Page 336

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 336

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't see $40,000 as much of a solution to a major problem, especially when we are talking about cancer-causing components which are being traced to the water treatment process. My view is it has to be a larger-scale project than just the $40,000 Band-Aid solution, which we are going to have to deal with next year. Will the Minister allocate reasonable amounts of revenue and also work along with the community as soon as possible to try to find an alternative source of water to deal with this concern at this time?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Deputy Premier, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker,* I understand the concern. It is a priority for me and for the department, which is why the government has set aside $40,000 to begin the process of finding a better way to deal with the problem. I am not prepared to commit anything else at this time. We are currently looking into this matter and we will keep the Member informed.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 336

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister make adequate resources available to deal with this problem? I don't think $40,000 is adequate; $40,000 is probably what it costs you to fly your consultants in from Edmonton to give you a report that says it will happen again next year and you can fly us back in again. It costs more than $40,000 to review this problem. Will the Minister make adequate resources available to resolve this problem which is more than $40,000?

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Deputy Premier, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs is looking into cost effective options to provide a more stable, year-round water source. Once that department has completed this review and identified ways of dealing with it, then the Department of Public Works will go out and do it. The question of finding resources is, there is no money there. There is no money.

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Page 336

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 336

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

I think I would like to ask the Minister when will he be able to find adequate resources to deal with this problem if you do not have the money now. Clearly, in this report it says there are cancer-causing components in the water system. You are telling me you don't have the resources, but we have a report here which says there are cancer-causing components. When will we be able to find the resources to deal with it?

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Deputy Premier.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 336

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the review is not yet complete. I share the concerns of the Member. Once the review is completed, I will, along with input and consultation

with the Member and the community, review the situation and go through the appropriate process.

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Page 337

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 212-13(3): Establishment Of Protected Areas In Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 337

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, recently the WWF -- not the World Wrestling Federation -- the World Wildlife Fund, gave the NWT a D grade because the GNWT seems to be stalled in its goal of establishing a network of protected areas by the year 2000. Mr. Speaker, my question for the Minister of Renewable Resources is what are we doing to establish protected areas. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 337

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the month of November, I met with Monte Hummel of the World Wildlife Fund, at which time I offered to work cooperatively with his organization to identify areas of mutual concern with regard to areas that should be protected. We agreed that first we have to identify those areas together and then develop a strategy on how to gain some form of protection for these areas, whether it is done through federal parks or territorial parks. We agreed that for the most part, it would largely be the prerogative of the federal government to identify such areas.

We suggested that territorial parks are much smaller in scale than national parks. They are intended to be user-friendly for tourists and local people to use. The World Wildlife Fund was more interested in identifying areas that were ecologically sensitive and that were inhabited by a certain wildlife species that needed protection. Aside from that, we have nothing to suggest except that, for the second year in a row, we have received a failing mark from this prestigious international organization. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know the Minister is quite responsible in trying to have this strategy put in place. My question would be when does the Minister think the NWT's strategy for identifying said protected areas will be in place. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Page 337

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, as the Member knows, we have had a tremendous amount of work to do since we were all elected. I believe that in the month of June, things might slow down a little, enough to allow some

of us to begin some work on some new initiatives that need our attention. We can engage in an activity to identify areas with groups like the World Wildlife Fund, but at the end of the day, we also need to know who is going to pay and where the money is going to come from. I am interested in going through the exercises, as I am sure the World Wildlife Fund is, in identifying areas where we should show some concern for the ecology and the wildlife within those areas to be identified.

We also have to keep in mind that we aren't designing something that is way beyond our reach financially and that we can only wish we could do all the things that we set out to do. As long as the World Wildlife Fund is aware of that, we will have a very good working relationship. I know there is an organization that has access to a great deal of money internationally and I would be interested to see how much money they would put into ventures like that themselves. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Page 337

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the D grade I mentioned before was because of the slowness in putting the program and strategy in place that this government had, in the past, said they would do. The Minister has mentioned the costs involved. Over the past 12 to 18 months, what costs has the government identified to actually put the strategy in place, so in the eyes of the international community, the GNWT doesn't have such a black eye on environmental issues? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, there are almost no protected areas in the continent of Europe because it is almost all polluted, irrigated, farmed or has been completely decimated from many species of wildlife. Here in North America, we do suffer from the unusual high expectations of organizations such as the World Wildlife Fund. We are still a remote, sparsely-populated, relatively clean, pristine environment and, with diligence, we can continue to keep the environment in that relative state with good management.

However, in order to give good report cards themselves, organizations such as the World Wildlife Fund have to continue passing report cards on people like ourselves. I don't think it is deserved or necessarily productive, but it does keep their sponsors coughing up the pay cheques and the money to keep organizations like that alive. I say that to put things in proper context.

The Government of the Northwest Territories knows there are fewer than 60,000 people here in the Northwest Territories. We are one-third the land mass in Canada, with 1.5 million square miles of area. The whole place, as far as I'm concerned, is still a protected area. However, we are interested in engaging, as I've indicated to Mr. Monte Hummel, in any exercise that would ease the fears of people down south, that our wildlife and ecology is not going to be run over by industry overnight and, perhaps, we could demonstrate some ways that we are concerned about the wildlife.

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Question 213-13(3): Policy For Warning Of Effects Of Drinking While Pregnant

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services , I think. My question is in relation to the statement I made earlier about fetal alcohol syndrome and fetal alcohol effect. I would like to know if it is a policy of this government to have posters warning of the effects of women drinking while they're pregnant; if it's a policy to have these types of posters in the bars in the Northwest Territories.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm not sure if it's a policy of this government, but I'll check into that matter and advise the Member. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

If it is not a policy, would the Minister commit to initiating such a policy?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will commit to taking a look at the initiative, in conjunction with the early intervention work that is being undertaken through the social envelope along with our partners -- Health and Social Services -- who are working in conjunction with Education, Culture and Employment in early intervention to try to develop a strategy for dealing with these types of

serious situations where the health concerns of our residents are affected. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister commit to work with NWT women's and health groups to develop and implement a comprehensive program to combat fetal alcohol syndrome and fetal alcohol effects?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speaker, we would be willing to work with any organizations that are concerned with this issue, just as we are. Thank you.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will look into the situation that the Member has outlined and take what action is appropriate. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, this situation has been causing some amount of embarrassment to some clients. I wonder

if the Minister would see that it is appropriate to fax the request to the Hudson Bay. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will ensure that departmental staff look into the situation in the region immediately. As I said, we'll take appropriate action as soon as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 215-13(3): Rates Of Pay For Student Summer Employment

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 339

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for FMBS. Many of our students are returning and have returned from colleges and universities and are looking for work. This year, there is even more anxiety to get employment because of the scarcity of jobs around and because tuition fees are rising at all institutions across Canada. A while ago, the federal Minister of Finance , Paul Martin, addressed this problem in the federal Budget Address, and said his government was going to make a concerted effort to hire more students this summer.

Last summer, some students employed by the GNWT were paid hourly rates as high as $22, which is much more than regular employees in the private sector get for equivalent work. I wonder if the Minister could explain to me why doesn't the GNWT have a basic student rate; one that is a reasonable hourly rate, so we can increase our summer employment of students.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In fact, during our recent negotiations with the union, that was the position the government took; that, perhaps, we should be looking at a student rate that was lower than the current arrangements under the collective agreement. We believe if we lowered that rate we could, in fact, hire more students. Unfortunately, we were unable to reach an arrangement on that. Hence, whatever in the collective agreement currently exists, with the rates of pay that are there, stays in place; there will be no change and there is no specific student category for summer employment. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I wonder if the Minister could tell us if we could institute a student summer employment wage outside of the collective agreement now, then hold discussions with the union to resolve this situation in the future.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

My understanding is that the current collective agreement and the arrangement that was reached - or not reached, depending on how you interpret it -- will be going out to the membership for ratification soon. It will take somewhere between four to six weeks for us to receive from the union their position; whether it's yes or no to the agreement.

I, frankly, don't think we can step outside of the agreement and look for a special student rate at this time, but I will look into it and report back to my honourable colleague. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I think the Minister, in all likelihood -- and he said, as well -- would agree we could hire more students if we set a standard rate across the board. I think that's extremely important for us to increase the employment of our summer students. I wonder if the Minister could tell us if he will look at that immediately, because otherwise we'll lose the effect for this summer.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will certainly discuss this with my department. But to be fair and to be frank, I don't think there's much we can do until such time as the collective agreement is ratified. But I will certainly look into it and see if there's something we can do for this summer. It's certainly the intent of this government to try to maximize as many aboriginal and non-aboriginal northern students as possible in recruitment this year. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In Yellowknife, there are approximately 250 students from the North looking for work, and more are coming every day. Then, there are many others who have come to Yellowknife from the South. So I'm wondering if the Minister could find out for me how many jobs there are for students this year in the Government of the Northwest Territories.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't have those numbers at my fingertips, but I would be only too happy to provide that information to my honourable colleague in this House. Thank you.

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Question 216-13(3): Utilization Of Collection Agencies By GNWT

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask a question of the Minister responsible for the Business Credit Corporation. Would the Minister seriously consider the possibility of using private collection agencies, that might result in a higher net return to the BCC on delinquent loans? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, as I understand the Business Credit Corporation, it is seen and sees itself as a lender of last resort; that is, they are often in the business of lending money to economic and business initiatives that are primarily seen as initiatives to create jobs. The government had set up this institution to go where banks would dread to go. So I'm not certain about the light in which the board of directors and this government sees collecting money; that is, I'm not certain about the priority that it gives to collecting money.

From the first instance, they see themselves as lenders of last resort in high-risk areas where the chances of recouping losses are not good, by any banker's standards. So I would answer the question by saying that we could review it because it is a question that should be given some care in drafting the answer to. I would say I would have to review the goals and objectives of the government in setting up such an institution and the relative importance of collecting the high-risk money that is loaned by the institution. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 340

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We recently wrote off almost $500,000 in loans. I would say, in these tight fiscal times, that when a loan is made as a loan, the assumption in my mind is that we expect it to be repaid. If it's throw-away money or grant money, maybe we should call it that. I would be very interested in working with the Minister, through the appropriate process, to look at this matter. My question to the Minister would be in this regard: when you say you would be prepared to review that, would that be part of the upcoming possible business plan review

some time in June or this summer when we could look at that? Thank you.

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Page 340

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I believe that all Members of this Legislature are interested in becoming more familiar with the Business Credit Corporation and the NWT Development Corporation, just as I am as a new Minister. I believe that all of us have to be familiar with the nature of the businesses that are conducted by these corporations. It seems to me it's a very fair question and good request to say, for instance that the Business Credit Corporation should tell us, in their view, what is the percentage of risk that they see in the business that they're in, in comparison to, let's say, the Bank of Commerce.

We know that banks want almost a 100 per cent guarantee that whatever money they lend out is secured in assets or through a guaranteed return. We know that the Business Credit Corporation and the NWT Development Corporation are targeting just below that somewhere; perhaps, way below that. I'm not sure what it is, but I believe we should ask that question and I would be prepared to do that and share that with Members as soon as I get a response to that. Thank you.

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Page 340

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With regard to the loans process, my understanding is the board of directors, which is directly involved in loan approvals, is a board of political appointees who are involved in direct loan approval. I have a real concern with that current set up. It is very prone to political interference and tampering, of which there could be abuses. I am speaking of my own knowledge of the business community in my neck of the woods, where there is possible movement of information that there shouldn't be.

I even heard of an MLA requesting final approval of all loans in their community because they wanted to have that kind of influence. Would the Minister consider making the approval process more objective by removing the board from direct approval of loans?

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Page 340

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the board, as I understand it, and the corporation is set up to make loans; to invest in business initiatives that are considered high risk and basically out of range of consideration by banks. If there is difficulty with the board conducting business within the parameters of the legislation, then we should have a concern. If there is concern that the board is biased or unable to conduct itself because of considerations that are brought to the attention of myself, as the Minister, then the easiest thing would be to address the deficiency of the board

members themselves and to remove any suggestion that board members, collectively or individually, are unable to do good service to the public as they were appointed to do. That would be my own suggestion. If there are good suggestions as to why the board cannot continue to carry out the function of being a lender of money, then if that is preventing you ... (inaudible) ... perhaps the whole institution would have to be reviewed. That isn't a consideration at this time. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Final supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The role of the Business Credit Corporation is not an issue so much as the process. The question would be, is it appropriate for a board to get involved at that level; handing out loans as opposed to setting out policy and direction. Would the Minister consent to reviewing that along with the role of the collection agencies that you committed to earlier in terms of the review?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the Business Credit Corporation and the NWT Development Corporation are appointed by myself, as the Minister. I believe it is on the advice of Cabinet and with their support. So there is political accountability. If there is reason to remove a board or change members of a board because we lack confidence in some or all of them, then that is the prerogative of this government to do. We would be interested in knowing if there is reason to do any of what I have suggested. If there are grounds to do it, that is my prerogative.

I am hoping that what we do in the course of our work together over the next year is to establish a very clear working relationship with the Business Credit Corporation and a better system of accountability and to do exactly the same with the NWT Development Corporation. I am very interested in doing things that would have a positive effect and would increase the credibility and profile of these two corporations. Thank you.

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Question 217-13(3): Commitment Of Nwthc To Hold District Consultation Meetings

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 341

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Housing . Could the Minister inform this House whether or not the NWT Housing Corporation is committed to community consultations at the district level in the coming year, so that communities can meet together to discuss the impact of the rent scale and other pressing housing issues facing the Housing Corporation in the North?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

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Thank you. Minister of Housing , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, yes, the Housing Corporation is committed to these district consultation meetings. They will be occurring throughout the Northwest Territories over the next two months, including one for the Keewatin region in the Member's home community.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister advise this House whether or not the representatives will be funded to travel to the communities? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, yes, the representatives from the communities will include chairpersons from the local housing authorities and there will be assistance available for travel.

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Question 218-13(3): Responsibility For Land Pricing At Community Level

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 341

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday we heard the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs make a statement on land reform initiatives. I have a number of questions for the Minister on this issue.

Mr. Speaker, who will be making the decisions about land pricing at the community level?

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mrs. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, where land is owned by the community government, decisions about land pricing will be made by the community governments. This will be the case in Nunavut and will be the case for the next year or two in the Inuvik region where land ownership is devolved to community governments. On Commissioner's land, the GNWT will be working with community governments to determine the best strategies for recovering land development costs. Until land is transferred to community governments, the GNWT will make decisions on pricing Commissioner's land. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to know from the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs what effect land reform would have on a land claims process in the western NWT.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can I ask the Member to clarify his question?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to know what effect land reform will have on the land claims process in the western NWT.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Communities in the East and West have been very clear about their desire to strengthen their authority and responsibility and this government is committed to ensuring that we move forward to ensure that these opportunities are provided. In the East, due to land claim agreements, communities have full control of land within their boundaries. In the West, where claims are settled, the same opportunities for devolution of land authority and responsibility for land development pricing are available. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 219-13(3): Reports On Electronic Monitoring Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 342

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Justice . Earlier, the Minister replied to a question I had asked on May 3rd concerning an electronic monitoring program for NWT offenders. The Minister referred to several discussions and reports in his answer to my question. Does the Minister have these reports or access to them and does he have the results of the various discussions he referred to?

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Thank you. Minister of Justice , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I don't have them on me, but I will make that information available to the Member if he wishes. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

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Can I get an indication of when I can get this information?

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