Debates of Feb. 18th, 1998

This is page numbers 883 - 925 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Minister Absent From The House

Mobile Inspection Vehicle

Income Tax Filing Assistance

Empowerment Of Regional Health Boards

Aven Manor Accreditation Award

Inuvik Regional Health Board

Role Of Nunavut Caucus

Ministerial Accountability

Legislative Assembly Pool Tournament Results

Treaty Rights Meeting

Support For Friendship Centres

Birthday Greetings

Front Door Society

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Return To Oral Question 59-13(5): Organ Donor Identification

Return To Oral Question 182-13(5): Changes To Non-insured Health Benefits

Departmental Computer Purchase

Health Board Empowerment

Medical Services For Sahtu Region

Financial Aid To Hepatitis "c" Individuals

Clarification Of Pay Equity Issue

Federal Funding For Hospitals

Financing Two New Governments

Assisting Local Service Providers

Block Funding For Tsiigehtchic

Salaries And Benefits Of Health Board Employees

Children In Care Not Attending School

Mortgage Life Insurance For Clients

Yellowknife Office Space Plan

Resurfacing Nunakput Runways

Highway Construction Strategy

Organ Donor Identification

Terms Of Nursing Contracts

Tabled Document 50-13(5): Department Of Municipal And Community Affairs: Report Of The Auditor General Of Canada, February, 1998

Item 15: Notices Of Motions For First Reading Of Bills

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Recommendation To Formulate A Strategic Plan For Policing In The Western Territory And Nunavut

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Tabled Document 51-13(5): Package Of Three Letters From Allice Legat Re: Termination Of NWT Ski Coach

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas, Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 883

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Good Morning.

Speaker's Ruling

Before we start with the orders of the day, I would like to provide you with a ruling on the point of order raised by Mr. Roland on February 16, 1998, regarding a Minister quoting from a Cabinet document and Mr. Roland 's request to have a Cabinet document tabled in the House.

By way of background, Mr. Roland argued that because it appeared Mr. Kakfwi made reference to and allegedly quoted from a Cabinet document, the Premier should be prepared to table the entire Cabinet decision in the House.

In presenting his point of order, Mr. Roland quoted from Beauchesne's Parliamentary Rules and Forms, sixth edition. He quoted citation 495(1), which reads:

"A Minister is not at liberty to read or quote from a dispatch or other state paper not before the House without being prepared to lay it on the Table."

First, I must indicate that I have reviewed the unedited Hansard which contains the comments made by Mr. Kakfwi on February 13, 1998, and cannot find a clear indication that Mr. Kakfwi was quoting from a Cabinet directive or a Cabinet record of decision. It would appear that his reference to a Cabinet Directive was, in fact, an excerpt from letters that had been sent to Sahtu leaders regarding the issue of Sahtu health service delivery. Those letters have subsequently been tabled before this House as Tabled Document 48-13(5).

I view this particular question to be a moot point, and perhaps a question of terminology. However, as Cabinet documents, including Cabinet directives and Cabinet records of decision, are papers which this House cannot order to be tabled. In other words, even if a Cabinet document is referred to, it need not be tabled. I refer Members to Beauchesne's citation 446(2)(1) for further clarification on the protections accorded to Cabinet documents.

In addition, I wish to address the point made by Mr. Roland whereby he suggested that gaining access to all Cabinet documents relating to the Cabinet's decision on this issue is the only means to allow him to effectively represent his constituents in this matter. Firstly, I must reiterate that Cabinet documents are exempt from mandatory production by way of an order of this House. Secondly, only the specific document cited need be tabled and this, in effect, has been done as the relevant letters have been tabled. As Beauchesne's citation 495(4) states:

"Only the document cited need be tabled by a Member. A complete file need not be tabled because one document is it has been cited."

For these reasons, I rule that Mr. Roland does not have a point of order. The Cabinet, through the Premier , cannot be compelled to table Cabinet documentation relating to this issue. Thank you

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 64-13(5): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent form the House this morning to meet with the Russian delegation in Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 64-13(5): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 65-13(5): Mobile Inspection Vehicle

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Members of the Legislative Assembly, the Department of Transportation's Motor Vehicles Division, through its highway transport officers, is responsible for enforcing the regulatory environment for our trucking industry, including driver and vehicle licensing, mechanical safety standards, vehicle weights and dimensions, security of loads, hours of service, dangerous goods as well as the rules of the road in general. A permanent weigh scale and vehicle inspection station on Highway # 1 at Enterprise has been the division's focal point for most regulatory enforcement.

However, truck traffic has been increasing steadily in areas far away from Enterprise, such as, logging operations near Fort Liard and Fort Simpson, mine re-supply on the Ingraham Trail and winter road operations north of Wrigley to the Sahtu communities.

While increased trucking activity is a welcome sign of positive economic growth for an area, the number of heavy trucks also raises the public's concerns for highway safety. The department has received requests from many quarters to extend its enforcement activities.

Especially when public money is tight, building new permanent weigh scale sites take a large commitment, of both capital and operating dollars, in fixed locations that may be no better situated to deal with future changes in truck traffic. As an alternative to fixed sites, the Department of Transportation is putting a new mobile inspection station in service this week. This self-contained vehicle, similar to ones in service in Ontario, Saskatchewan and Alberta, will be deployed in areas where truck traffic is heaviest. It is designed to operate year round and, if necessary, under severe weather conditions.

It is equipped with portable weigh scales that can weigh any size of vehicles. As well as the standard equipment used in a stationary inspection station, such as a fax, photocopier, computer and printer, it also has radio and satellite communications. With satellite technology, the highway transport officers can check licenses, verify safety certificates and issue permits just as they do in the permanent station at Enterprise.

The unit is built for two officers to operate around the clock at any location for days at a time. The mobile inspection station will be an effective tool for detecting and deterring violations of transport regulations and for carrying out ongoing safety programs. By going where the trucks are, instead of waiting for them to stop by, the department can do a much better job of protecting the public's $1 billion investment in our highway infrastructure. The motto on the vehicle, On the Move - Safely, speaks for the department's commitment to safety for both the trucking industry and the general public on our highways.

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Transportation is pleased to invite the Members of the Assembly to take a look at its new mobile inspection station that is parked outside today in the Assembly's parking area. An open house and demonstration for the general public will be held tomorrow in the parking lot at the Yellowknife arena. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 65-13(5): Mobile Inspection Vehicle

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Before we go on with the Members' statements, I would like to recognize some people in the gallery, the Russian delegation and I would like to tell the delegation first, I apologize if I do not say your names correctly. Here are the names of the delegation: there is Minister Vladimir Kuramin, chairman of the Russian State Committee of Northern Development; Mr. Pavel Zaidfudim, first deputy chairman of the Russian State Committee of Northern Development; Mr.

Serguei Kharioutchi, president of the Association of Indigenous Minorities of the Russian North; Harold Finkler, director, Circumpolar Liaison Directorate; Mr. Nikita Kirilov, the interpreter, and Mr. Jean Villeneuve, the DIAND official. Welcome to the Assembly.

--Applause.

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Minister's Statement 65-13(5): Mobile Inspection Vehicle

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Did I do okay in pronouncing your names? Orders of the day. Item 3, members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 268-13(5): Income Tax Filing Assistance

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have asked in this House on previous occasions about the annual problem with Revenue Canada and income tax filing. Mr. Speaker, the income tax forms are hard enough to understand at the best of times and with fewer resources in our smaller communities many people have chosen not to file returns in the past. Mr. Speaker, I brought my concerns forward in this House to the Minister of Finance and I am pleased, Mr. Speaker, that our Finance Minister has had some success with Revenue Canada. Mr. Speaker, Mr.

Todd recently wrote me to inform me that, indeed, Revenue Canada, after some prodding by this government, will be visiting fourteen NWT communities, including nine in Nunavut, to help with income tax returns. Mr. Speaker, for the first time, Revenue Canada will be holding a tax clinic in Iqaluit.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 268-13(5): Income Tax Filing Assistance

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 269-13(5): Empowerment Of Regional Health Boards

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak briefly about the issue of health boards in the NWT, specifically, the one in Fort Smith. The concern I have is based on some of the discussion I have heard in the House emanating from the Inuvik region. Mr. Speaker, the government has made a considerable effort in the last number of years to empower communities and health boards in regions to deliver health services and programs and make the appropriate decisions for the people they serve.

In Fort Smith, we have had a very intense history with health boards and what happens when there is political involvement or interference at the territorial level and how that can affect the community. In Fort Smith's case, there was a review that was planned and they spent

almost a $1 million on. The community and health centre went through a tremendous time of trauma and stress. At the end of the day, the review was cancelled, but the situations and the questions raised went unresolved. Mr. Speaker, we are still paying for that price and for that process today, I want to make sure that, in fact, this government stays true to the course they have set out with health boards to ensure they, in fact, are the vehicle to work out and resolve health issues in their community and their region. Mr.

Speaker, in Fort Smith, the health board within the community worked out an arrangement to have a board that was representative of the community along with major groups and governments in the community, the band, the town and the Metis. We have made clear and significant steps in being able to administer those programs.

While I do not want to interfere in the activities and business emanating from the Inuvik region, I want to make it very clear from the government and I would like reassurance that, they are going stay on course and that health boards will be allowed to carry out the duties they have been empowered to deliver. Hopefully we, as MLAs in this Assembly, will play a broad strategic role but not get involved politically in short circuiting the role and function of the boards. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 269-13(5): Empowerment Of Regional Health Boards

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 270-13(5): Aven Manor Accreditation Award

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my great pleasure today to extend congratulations to all those that are involved in Aven Manor. This long-term care facility, whose residents are my constituents, has become the first of its kind in the north to earn an unconditional three-year accreditation from the Canadian council on health care accreditation. Council inspectors looked at all areas of the Manor's operations, including resident care, support services, governance and leadership, and compared levels of care to national standards. I am pleased to say Aven Manor passed all the tests with flying colours.

The Manor is a 29-bed care facility run by the Yellowknife Association of Concerned Citizens for Seniors. It is important to note that YACCS, its acronym, volunteered to take

part in the accreditation process, in order to get an objective, outsider's opinion of the quality of services offered. Last Friday, their efforts were rewarded with the conference of the Canadian Council's highest award. Aven Manor was praised in the council's report for providing care that is, resident focused, with families and residents actively participating in care planning. The staff was described as responsive, committed to excellence, knowledgeable and dedicated. The board of directors and leadership was described as strong and effective. My praise, indeed, is for the Aven Centre's workers and its board.

I am pleased that this important facility in Yellowknife has been recognized nationally as a model for long-term nursing care. It is especially important given that, unlike the provinces, there is no regulatory or licencing required for operators of long-term care homes in the territories. It is gratifying to know that such quality and caring is available to our senior citizens here in Yellowknife. I commend the workers, managers and board of directors for the hard work that has resulted in this high honour. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 270-13(5): Aven Manor Accreditation Award

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 271-13(5): Inuvik Regional Health Board

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak on the issue of the Inuvik Regional Health Board. Mr. Speaker, it has been brought into light, in this forum as well as in the news, the concerns within the Inuvik region on what is happening. Mr. Speaker, I want to let Members know here, as well as in the public, that the Inuvik Regional Health Board is doing a good job. They provide quality health care. Mr. Speaker, it has been mentioned that Yellowknife has better services.

I would like to remind Members that many of the specialists who operate out of Yellowknife travel to Inuvik to hold clinics and provide services for the people of the Inuvik region. Mr. Speaker, the Inuvik Regional Health Board has not been without controversy at times. We have undergone some major changes. At one point, there were 16 board members, which made it very difficult to do many things and get on with business.

Since then, it has been changed where organizations such as the Inuvialuit, the Gwich'in, the Sahtu, the Towns of Inuvik and Norman Wells, have representation to represent their interests on the health board. From there, Mr. Speaker, we have come a long way in providing and making sure that services are provided in the Inuvik region are done so to the best of their ability. Mr.

Speaker, when we had an opportunity to hear the concerns from the NWT Medical Association, it was pointed out, in a discussion I had with one of the representatives, that Inuvik Regional Health Board is an example of how health boards should be operated. I take that as good news and as a positive note that the Inuvik Regional Health Board has been operating under some difficult conditions. I am still waiting for information that I had asked for on the funding levels they were given, in light of some of the restraints that were placed on them by previous Cabinets.

I would like to say to the Members and to the public that, indeed, the Inuvik Regional Health Board, in my eyes, has been doing a good job in some difficult times. Not without controversy, but they have moved ahead and are providing service to the best of their ability. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 271-13(5): Inuvik Regional Health Board

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Member's Statement 272-13(5): Role Of Nunavut Caucus

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, given all that has been going on in these last two days, I would like to reflect on what has been going on in this House. Mr. Speaker, I have strong feelings about the role that Nunavut Caucus must play in this House, particularly given recent events.

First, I would like to thank my honourable colleague, Mr. Levi Barnabas , for his statement yesterday. It took a lot of courage and was the honourable thing to do.

Mr. Speaker, I believe it is important that Nunavut Caucus Members stay out of political games, such as recent events and focus on the issues that concern the people we represent: the creation of Nunavut, the high cost of living, economic development and social issues, as well as what was mentioned by the Iqaluit Member with regard to income tax.

Let me repeat, these kinds of distractions lack credibility and take all of our energies away from issues that really matter. Mr. Speaker, I believe this does no service to the people we are here to serve and hurts the credibility of all Members of this House.

The people of the NWT want us to act like leaders. This means focusing on issues that count to the people, rising above the temptation to resort to dirty politics, acting with honesty and integrity and solving problems rather than creating them.

Mr. Speaker, I am proud of how the Members of Nunavut Caucus have handled themselves these last few days. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 273-13(5): Ministerial Accountability

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I stand here today in regard to the role that we play. It is the 13th Assembly and the reason that most of us got into politics was to represent the people of the north and our constituents. I find it very appalling when I feel like I am from a separate party and a separate province. Mr. Speaker, there are times when we raise issues in this House in relation to issues that affect people in communities, social issues relating to alcohol and drug programs; issues relating to education programs; and also in regard to the economic conditions we find a lot of our regions in.

Yet, we raise questions in this House time and time again, to feel that the government, who is the Cabinet, answers back with a conditional no, or basically, sorry, go and find the funding somewhere else. We do not have it in our budget. Yet, Mr. Speaker, we talk about having a unique way of government in the Northwest Territories where we do not have party politics. Sometimes I wonder which party is Cabinet on? Are they basically playing to their own agenda or are they looking at the interests of an institution versus an institution of people? Mr.

Speaker, I talk about people with a face, a person, an individual and a person who you see on the street day to day, or an individual who calls us with a concern because they do not work, they are cut off from income support, they are having problems with their educational grants or there are concerns in relationship to issues we raised in this House. We stand up with a good question directed to a Minister and get a flat no as an answer.

I believe we are here to represent all the people of the north to change the way this government operates and not go back into the system of being institutionalized where the Cabinet Ministers are solely responsible for their particular departments and not the people we represent. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 273-13(5): Ministerial Accountability

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Member's Statement 274-13(5): Legislative Assembly Pool Tournament Results

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to tell Members of a very sad thing that happened in Yellowknife. Last night in the After 8 pool hall where all Members of the Legislative Assembly, including yourself Mr. Speaker, were socializing by playing a pool tournament. Some Members were also playing darts. All Members were enjoying each others company. The reason it makes it very sad, Mr. Speaker, is this is the first time I have ever been beaten in this type of tournament.

--Laughter

Mr. Sharky Erasmus ended up winning the tournament, and I know we cannot ever say in this House that anybody cheats or anything, but he was a very good shot. He did manage to win on the last eight ball. I would like to thank all the Members for coming out last night and the staff. Myself, I came in second and Phil Bailey came in third. It hurt Phil more because he is a lot younger then myself and Roy and we both whipped him on the pool table. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 274-13(5): Legislative Assembly Pool Tournament Results

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Member's Statement 275-13(5): Treaty Rights Meeting

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, some of my constituents from the Nahendeh constituency attended a three-day meeting on the Hay River Reserve in the Deh Cho region last week from February 9 to 11, 1998. This was a three-day meeting on treaty rights, and there was discussion on the oral understanding of Treaty 8 and 11 from the elders and community leaders of the Akaitcho and Deh Cho territories. Mr. Speaker, they had a special guest, a special rapporteur from the United Nations, Dr. Alfonso-Martinez was in attendance at this meeting.

This doctor has been commissioned to have a final report prepared for the United Nations in July of this year. He is investigating the Indigenous Treaties from around the world and will be making recommendations to be implemented at the international level.

Mr. Speaker, this meeting was attended by a lot of people throughout the Deh Cho region, including the communities I represent. There were a number of representations that were made emphasizing the importance of the oral history and the understanding that Treaty 8 and 11 are peace and friendship arrangements rather then lands surrenders. People have expressed their concerns at this meeting and voiced dissatisfaction with violations against their treaties over the years. People have felt that there is a breach by the federal government obligations to the First Nations in the north.

There is also a concern that Canada's policies and directions today continue to infringe on their treaty rights. I would like to quote from the Dene National Chief Bill Erasmus who was a presenter and emphasized, "the validity of Indigenous Treaties and that by International and British Common Law standards Canada is obligated to implement and uphold their part of the bargain," and "there was a meeting of the minds at Treaty making which cannot be ignored by Canada any longer." Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 275-13(5): Treaty Rights Meeting

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 276-13(5): Support For Friendship Centres

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to welcome our visiting Russian delegation. I hope they find our city and country interesting and enjoyable.

Yesterday as you may recall, we had the privilege to meet with the NWT Council of Friendship Centres. The meeting proved to be very interesting and informative. In my community the friendship centre has been a focal point for the young and old for many years. It was not that long ago the centre was in a very bad financial state and looked like it was on the verge of closing. However, due to the hard work of the board and their executive director, this friendship centre is now operating many services that are needed in the community and have been able to get the financial situation back in order.

Most of you have seen the friendship express driving the streets of Yellowknife over the past months. This is one example, the board saw a need for a regular scheduled bus service between Rae-Edzo and Yellowknife and were able to purchase a bus. They now operate this bus daily, picking up freight from various suppliers here in Yellowknife as well as transporting residents to and from Yellowknife.

The friendship centre movement across our great nation provides many very good programs and services for our native people. These centres are a safe place to go where you are always welcome with a smile and a hot cup of coffee. They make you feel at home and wanted. Mr. Speaker, the NWT Council of Friendship Centres needs our support and we should not hesitate in giving it to them. It is for the best for all our people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Page 887

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 277-13(5): Birthday Greetings

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to celebrate one of the only elders here, Mr. Evaloarjuk 's birthday. He was born on February 18, 1937. I would also like to celebrate the birthday of my colleague, Mr. David Akeeagok.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Happy birthday, Mr. Evaloarjuk . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 278-13(5): Front Door Society

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, back when the Minister of Finance made his budget speech, I had made a statement and asked questions in regard to the homeless in Yellowknife and other parts of the Northwest Territories and in answer to my questions, the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , indicated that he would be willing to work with a group or groups in order to help rectify the situation. As well the Minister of Housing had indicated that he would work with the other Ministers in the social envelope to try to address this situation. Mr.

Speaker, I am happy to report today that there is such a group in Yellowknife working on this problem. They are called the Front Door Society. The Front Door Society, was formed about a year ago and their long-term mandate is to seriously look at the homeless on a larger scale. There are many unanswered questions that society needs to look at such as the impacts that division and decentralization will have. They are also doing a survey to determine the actual number of homeless people in Yellowknife and what services are already available to them.

As well, to look at the availability of lands within the city, which ones would be best suited for a facility and what the costs will be. Obviously, it would be nice to if they could get a donation of land from the city or one of our senior governments.

The Front Door Society's goal is to provide a rooming house for hard to house people within the City of Yellowknife. Their challenge is to provide supportive housing that recognizes residents as individuals who value their independence and that facilitates and supports choice in people's lives while developing and supporting a community of residents. The society is in the process of getting a charitable organization status so they can provide tax exempt receipts when they receive donations. Mr.

Speaker, the society has already had meetings with all interested parties, meaning those who provide services to people in need, particularly the Departments of Education, Culture and Employment and Health and Social Services as well as the City of Yellowknife and of course we have to bring in the citizens of Yellowknife. Mr. Speaker, doing it this way makes it truly a solution that comes from the community. The society's next step, Mr. Speaker, is to make a presentation to the Yellowknife City Council of February 23, 1998 at which time they will be discussing their proposal. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Ng .

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have two returns to oral questions. The first one asked by Mrs. Groenewegen on January 21, 1998

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Return To Oral Question 59-13(5): Organ Donor Identification

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 887

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Further to your question posed to the honourable Minister Antoine , I am pleased to provide the following information.

There is provision for organ donation through the Critical Care Unit at Stanton Regional Hospital in Yellowknife. An Alberta organization, the Human Organ and Procurement Exchange Society (HOPE) supplies the funding and personnel for organ retrieval procedures at Stanton. HOPE also organizes organ transplant services in Alberta and coordinates with similar organizations across Canada and the United States.

There have been requests to include an organ donor agreement on NWT drivers' licences. Instead, the Department of Health and Social Services is going to look at the possibility of including this information on health care cards. Health care cards are more widely held by NWT residents than drivers' licences. With the creation of two new territories, health care cards will be redesigned. The department is actively pursuing the idea of incorporating organ donation information on the new health care cards.

We should remember that signing a card does not guarantee organ donation. People should discuss their wishes with their families. It is important that families know their loved one wants to be an organ donor, as the next of kin always have final approval of any organ donation.

The second return to oral question Mr. Speaker, asked by Mr. Picco on February 3, 1998.

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Return To Oral Question 182-13(5): Changes To Non-insured Health Benefits

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 887

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

A comprehensive review, by the Medical Services Branch of Health Canada, of the non-insured health benefit (NIHB) drug benefit list has been ongoing. The purpose of the continuing review is to ensure that the drugs on the list meet current needs of NIHB clients and that they reflect current medical practices as new information emerges about both the old and new drugs.

While coverage of some drugs will be limited or discontinued, a significant number of drugs continue to be added to the NIHB formulary on an ongoing basis.

The decision to add or delete any drug is made only after careful consideration. The particular needs of NIHB clients, the safety of the drug, the accumulated scientific research and the availability of better alternatives are all factors that are weighed in deciding which drugs remain listed. The revised drug benefit list will contain approximately 6,000 items which ensure that comprehensive drug coverage is available to all NIHB clients.

In cases where doctors want drugs that are not on the list for their NIHB clients, they are asked to complete an exception drug request form explaining why that particular drug is needed. Coverage will not be denied for any drug for which there is a legitimate medical need.

The updated drug benefit list was distributed to all NWT pharmacies, physicians and health centres in September, 1997. As well, letters were sent to chiefs, First Nations, Inuit associations, medical associations and regional health and social services boards.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 356-13(5): Departmental Computer Purchase

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 888

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last spring the Department of Health issued a request for proposals to purchase in excess of 300 computers and the final bid was for about $1.2 million. My question is for the Minister of Health . Could the Minister of Health tell us if those computers have already been distributed to various communities throughout the north? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 888

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe I already informed the Member that they had been distributed. There was a question about where they were distributed. I committed to having that information available for committee of the whole, review of the budget and I do have that information but not with me right now. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 888

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Considering the tremendous difficulty that may be encountered in the year 2000, we are all familiar that all computers will need to be reconfigured at that point, could the Minister tell us if these computers have been appropriately configured to deal with the millennium problem? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is a government-wide problem. It is my understanding these computers purchased are year-2000 compatible. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 357-13(5): Health Board Empowerment

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 888

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services and it is regarding a follow up on my statement in the House from this morning. Could the Minister indicate whether there has been any change in how his department tends to relate to and do business with health boards in communities and regions that would cause any concern or that should be noted by this House? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are no plans to change anything. The boards will continue to be the program service delivery agent in their service areas. We will continue to provide support to them as much as possible. In fact, to strengthen some of the support mechanisms, we have to provide as much assistance as possible to the boards. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will it also continue to be the approach by the government, the Minister and his department to encourage communities and health boards and their political leaders to resolve issues within the region and community in which they occur? Thank you.

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, most definitely. It is the whole intent of the establishment of boards that they would be more accountable and responsible to the people they have served through direct representation of people that are within their service areas, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In Fort Smith we had an experience as I referenced in my Member's statement where there was great political effort at this level made to institute a thorough full-scale investigation into the Fort Smith Health Centre, which cost about $1 million and a tremendous amount of stress which ended up being cancelled the day before it started. I would just like to get some assurance from the Minister as well that type of activity will not take place, again at least without full consultation, with community leadership and the boards in question? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can give that assurance, certainly. It is a very dramatic step to get into that type of an enquiry type of situation and as you know, there would have to be serious circumstances to warrant having that happen, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 358-13(5): Medical Services For Sahtu Region

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 889

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be directed to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . It follows my Member's statement on the Inuvik Regional Health Board or the proper terminology would be the Inuvik Regional Health and Social Services Board. Mr. Speaker, in light of the concerns that have been brought forward with the decision that the board has made, I would like to ask the Minister, can you explain the background of this particular issue of medical services for the Sahtu residents and that reflects on the whole issue of the board in its decision to affect how medical services are accessed? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, it is good to be back. People must have missed me the last couple of days. In respect to the Sahtu health care services, the last Minister of Health and Social Services chose to bring to Cabinet a decision paper that outlined where the Sahtu communities went for their health services. Specifically, it was decided at that time, Fort Good Hope and Colville Lake residents had the choice of going to Inuvik or Yellowknife for their services. People in Norman Wells, Deline and Tulita were asked to be referred to Yellowknife for their services. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In reference to the concern that a Cabinet decision was made and is still in effect, if this guideline or policy is in effect and guides Ministers in the way decisions are made, does this Cabinet still, and the Minister as well, have to follow past direction of past Cabinet decisions? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, generally Cabinet or Ministers will adopt or operate on the basis of former Cabinet decisions. Ultimately, each Minister has responsibility under specific statutory instruments, legislation, outlining their authority. I use for example, my case as Minister of Health and Social Services under the Territorial Hospital Insurance Services Act, I have the authority to establish boards of management. I have the authority to delegate to them the authority to control health facilities, health programs and

services within that area which is scooped out, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If, yourself, as the Minister of Health and Social Services has statutory powers under the Territorial Hospital Insurance Services Act, do you have to go to Cabinet to make decisions that affect the NWT residents, for example, the Sahtu situation?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in a circumstance like this, I can be guided by a Cabinet decision, but I do not have to go to Cabinet because of authority that is invested in me under the statutory instrument. I can, of course, have the option of going to Cabinet to seek the overturn of a former decision if I deem that would be necessary or if I wanted to get some Cabinet direction or guidance on it, but ultimately, no. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If, you, as the Minister of Health , are not bound to follow a current or former Cabinet decision, what happens in a situation where a Cabinet decision is in conflict with your decision as legally afforded by you. For example, again, the Sahtu situation has been expressed in this Assembly?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would have a couple of options. As I indicated, I could put forward a new decision paper to Cabinet to reverse the former Cabinet decision or I could exercise my authority as I indicated under the legislation and basically, not consult with Cabinet in implementing or supporting any changes that may have been inconsistent with former Cabinet decisions. Mr. Speaker, by doing so, I would be exercising my authority by implying to amend or repeal the former decision. Thank you.

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Question 359-13(5): Financial Aid To Hepatitis "c" Individuals

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to follow my colleagues and ask the questions to the Minister of Health . Mr. Speaker, the Minister just returned from a meeting with his provincial, territorial and federal counterparts on health. My concern today Mr. Speaker is, why was it decided not to help, financially, the Hepatitis C sufferers? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is a serious, complex issue. There was a decision actually by provincial, territorial and federal health Ministers to work toward providing a financial assistance package to Hepatitis C affected individuals. The issue, quite frankly, I have to be careful because there is some sensitivity in negotiations going on between the federal government and my provincial and territorial colleagues in respect to who is going to contribute what toward this program and what are some of the perimeters of the program that may be offered, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during these negotiations and meetings, what is the position of the Northwest Territories government on this issue? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is consistent with all other jurisdictions as I indicated, across the country and including the federal government. We want to try to work toward putting together a financial assistance package. There are negotiations ongoing in trying to rectify that and reach a suitable solution, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is a concern. It is a national story. The Minister was at the meetings, so it is quite informative to be able to get first-hand information from him. I want to follow up on my earlier two questions in this area. Could the Minister tell us how many people, indeed, in the Northwest Territories would fall under the Hepatitis C package, that hopefully, is underway in negotiations?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, our jurisdiction has had very limited exposure in respect to actual individuals who may be impacted as a result of this. I do not have the specific numbers but it is very small. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the last couple of days of following on the heels of that meeting, several of the Minister's provincial and territorial counterparts have made statements concerning this issue. Would the Minister be making a statement or any type of declaration on this position, on the Hepatitis C, from the Government of the NWT?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will not be making a specific one. There is one done jointly by federal/provincial/territorial Ministers. There was a communique outlined over the last two days, but there was one Monday evening for the provincial/territorial Ministers and there was one yesterday from the federal/provincial/territorial Ministers which outlines our positions. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 360-13(5): Clarification Of Pay Equity Issue

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 891

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd . It is in regard to the pay equity issue and the statement of facts that were advertised in the newspaper under a GNWT banner. I am looking for some clarity, Mr. Speaker, on a statement made where the Minister talks about the $9 million portion of the budget to implement the new Hay Job Evaluation System. Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is, will the $9 million be paid out as part of the ongoing resolution of this issue? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In fact, I would like to take a couple of minutes to explain, and I think it is important, because it gives everybody clarity about what the offer we put on the table was. There was a $25 million retroactivity offer that is the money that is owed to people from the past. It was calculated based on the Hay and Associates Group that it would be an ongoing cost for our principle service of $9 million. Unless we come to some agreement on the job evaluations, this $9 million would, in fact, not be spent. Thank you.

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Question 361-13(5): Federal Funding For Hospitals

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 891

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, following up on the meetings that were held with the Minister of Health in Ottawa, we were hoping to have some clarity on the issue of federal funding and financing for the two major hospital projects which the federal government has a commitment on the table to help us out with. Could the Minister update us at this time about his meetings with his federal counterpart as to what is happening with this situation? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at the meeting in Toronto that I just returned from, the two main agenda items were the hepatitis C potential financial assistance package and the establishment of a Canadian blood service to take over the responsibilities from the Canadian Red Cross Society. Those were the two major national issues that we had to deal with. I did not have a chance and I would not, quite frankly, bring it up with the federal Minister, the outstanding issue of the Inuvik and Iqaluit hospital financing agreements because there is still work being done at an official level on it. I have indicated in the past and it is coming close to a resolution. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have never had an opportunity to attend one of these ministerial conferences, but I have been at other meetings and I do know that there is a lot of networking that goes on between colleagues. I did understand from the Minister in questioning in this House and with the Hansard review, I think I will be proven correct but he did say he would be talking to his federal counterpart but he did not specifically say at that meeting. Following up on that, Mr.

Speaker, I would ask the Minister that indeed, when you are looking at $50 or $60 or $70 million coming from the federal government, it would be a major priority of this government and you would hope they would have some discussion on it. When does the Minister finally think we are going to have some closure on how much money is actually going to come from the federal government on the commitment for the two facilities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Speaker, first of all, it is not $60 or $70 million the honourable Member refers to. There is, as I indicated, discussions ongoing with our officials right now and it is coming close to resolution. There is no point, Mr. Speaker, in myself as a Minister speaking to the federal Health Minister unless we cannot resolve this issue at a bureaucratic level. I do not see the need, as I indicated, unless there is a breakdown in negotiations and an impasse which has to be settled politically. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, again, for clarity purposes, I have a lot of concern in my riding concerning this project and people keep continuing to ask me what the amount and dollar values are. The Minister just said it was not $60 or $70 million, so what is the value? Someone must have an idea. Give us an approximate value of what is being discussed during these ongoing negotiations since 1988 when this agreement was first signed. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot, as I indicated, there are negotiations between federal officials and GNWT officials right now on finalizing the amounts, some of the structure around the timing of the payment and what financing agreement can be put in place to deal with this issue. I am not at liberty now to throw out, at this date, what figures they are discussing because it is still under negotiation. It is coming close to resolution. I would be glad to update the Member and this House once it is resolved. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not trying to debate the Minister. I am just trying to follow on the questions. We have been asking these questions for two years, and we always keep hearing the same thing, negotiations, negotiations, negotiations. The agreement, like I said before, was signed in 1988. My final supplementary question, Mr. Speaker, is when would the negotiations be finalized and when does the Minister expect to be able to tell this House and this Member, when these dollar values and the completion of these negotiations will be able to come forward in this House and let the people know? That is a legitimate question. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I will rule the question out of order. The question has already been repeated and has been answered.

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Oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 362-13(5): Financing Two New Governments

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 892

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question at this time will be directed to the Honourable John Todd . Mr. Speaker, there has been some concern in the public eyes and business sector of the economy after division and concern with what kind of funding we will have in the west. Knowing that there are ongoing discussions in formula financing, could the Minister inform this House as to the process and at what time we might see some conclusion to this matter. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I think I have tried on numerous occasions to reassure people across the territories, that as Finance Minister , I was reasonably confident that we are going to get the levels of funding we would require to deliver the current levels of service. The executive director of the NWT Construction Association was on the radio this morning indicating this fear about the lack of funding, et cetera. I simply do not know where that kind of nonsensical rhetoric comes from. The reality is, we are in sensitive negotiations with respect to formula financing.

I have tried to assure this House and everybody else that we are fairly confident it is going reasonably well. I have full confidence we are going to get adequate levels of funding east and west, based upon the status quo in the west that we all agreed to and based upon Footprints in the Snow in the east. At the officials level, there is a meeting being held either this week or next week in Rankin Inlet. I appreciate the fact they want my home riding and I thank them for that.

We are close, as they say in the round numbers, achieving the goal that all parties can sign on to and, hopefully, be able to make a statement in April or May to reassure the east and west that adequate funding will be there. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A number of parties have been involved in the discussions, the western coalition being one of them. We are aware of the process but, for the sake of clarity, can the Minister inform us that, in fact, we are dealing with two gross expenditures' bases and not the splitting of one.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

If everybody will remember, it was at my insistence as the Finance Minister , that we do not do exactly that, split the existing budget, that we cost two new governments. The federal Finance Minister , the Honourable Paul Martin, agreed to that and I thank him for that. That is the process we have underway. We are very close to making an arrangement that all parties will be able to sign on to.

I want to remind the people of the territories out there and those advocacy groups who are listening, especially the ones who occasionally do not appear to be, all parties are at the table, the western coalition, the GNWT, the Interim Commissioner and our colleagues at the federal level, the federal government. All parties will have to sign off on the two new formulas. I am confident that all parties are representing our interests to the best of their ability and we will have adequate funding for two new territories as I outlined in my previous answer to my honourable colleague's questions. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 363-13(5): Assisting Local Service Providers

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services . Over the years, many local organizations across the territories have provided a range of services that the government has been unable to provide. This has become a very important part of the service delivery in the north. In Fort Smith, Uncle Gabe's Friendship Centre is one of those organizations. As government dollars have decreased, groups involved have had to be more creative in the ways they do business to be able to ensure that they, in fact, deliver programs.

My question to the Minister is, what steps are the department and boards taking to work with local service providers to ensure this good work continues. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would believe that the department and boards would continue to have ongoing dialogue enhancing their working relationship with those non-profit organizations as we do recognize how important they are in our health and social services system throughout the territories, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate whether the funding for the programs that these local service providers operate from is located either with the department or with the boards themselves at this point? Thank you.

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, consistent with all our other programs and services, and giving board empowerment and autonomy, we have given all the boards the funding for the programs, including the contributions for these types of nonprofit agencies and organizations, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In order to be consistent with the theme of partnership, which has to be there between boards and the department, would the Minister commit to continuing to ensure that boards work closely with community service providers to ensure there is a high level of service in the communities and with the residents they serve?

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, I can commit to that. I am sure the boards recognize the importance of these agencies as well and will continue to work in a spirit of cooperation with them. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. We seem to be limited on the questions we can direct to the Ministers. We will take a ten-minute break.

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Samuel Gargan

We are on question period. We have 13 more minutes. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 364-13(5): Block Funding For Tsiigehtchic

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of the Housing Corporation , Mr. Arlooktoo . It is in regard to a letter he received from the Tsiigehtchic community about a block funding arrangement for the community where the Tsiigehtchic Housing Authority and the charter community have amalgamated into one. What they are asking for is, is there a possibility of receiving capital block funding from the Minister of the Housing Corporation for the community? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The letter has been received by my office. I have forwarded it to the

Housing Corporation for review and we are looking at the possibility of doing an arrangement through the community empowerment initiative to transfer as many programs as possible, similar to those we have done in other communities. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister tell me exactly how long it is going to take before he gets back to the community on this particular matter?

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Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Housing Corporation has had the letter for a few days now. I would hope within the next week that we should be able to respond to the community and the MLA at that time. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister give me an idea of how long this process is going to take for them to receive block funding in regard to this community empowerment initiative?

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Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all, I cannot say for sure whether there will be a block funding arrangement with the community. What we are doing is looking at what we can transfer to the community as we have done with other communities. We encourage other communities to pursue this. I have instructed the Housing Corporation to take these requests positively and to do them in a timely manner. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister made a reference they have done this before. What is the turnaround time for capital funding arrangements with communities who formulate these community empowerment initiatives? What are we talking about, weeks, months, years? How long does it usually take for such an initiative to be handled?

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Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The community of Tsiigehtchic already has some housing program responsibility, which we transferred to the community on August 1, 1997. In the past two years we have been successful in transferring programs to roughly half of the communities in the Northwest Territories and, hopefully, in the next year, do several other transfers in other communities. Whatever arrangement we can make, I would like to have it finalized before springtime. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Health . Mr. Speaker, my question concerns health boards. Do health boards have the ability to offer salaries and benefits exclusive of the UNW Collective Agreement? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This might be better answered by the Chairperson of the Financial Management Board . They follow the guidelines of all the GNWT as part of the bargaining unit. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Su