Debates of Feb. 26th, 2002

This is page numbers 157 - 202 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was communities .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Salt River First Nation - Treaty Settlement Agreement

Richard Van Camp's Speaking Tour Of NWT Schools

NWT Outstanding Volunteer Awards

Update On Kyoto Protocol

Metis Health Benefits Program

Homelessness Coalition

Resource Development Compensation For Harvesters

Inuvialuit Regional Corporation Native Hockey Tournament

Replacement Water Treatment Plant For Rae

Ministerial Involvement In Public Service Staffing Actions

Inadequate Complement Of Alcohol And Drug Counsellor Positions

Young Women's Conference

Inuvialuit Regional Corporation Native Hockey Tournament

Tribute To Canadian Winter Olympians

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Addressing Homelessness In The Nwt

Rae Water Supply Options

Alcohol And Drug Treatment Resources

Harvesting Compensation Policies

Liquor Licensing For Special Occasions

Monitoring Of Third Party Funding

Metis Health Benefits Program

Early Childhood Program Funding

Ministerial Procedures Manual Update

GNWT Support For Standardized Testing

Consultation On Metis Health Benefits

Community Access To Programs And Services

Comprehensive Liquor Review

Health Benefits Programs

Economic Development Officers

Tabled Document 4-14(5): Health And Social Services Joint Leadership Council Terms Of Reference

Table Document 5-14(5): NWT Liquor Commission 47th Annual Report

Tabled Document 6-14(5): Report Of The Standing Committee On Social Programs On The Review Of The 2002-2005 Business Plans

Tabled Document 7-14(5): Response From Chair Of The Financial Management Board Re Personnel Policies For Excluded Employees

Tabled Document 8-14(5): Letter From Charles Furlong Re Metis Health BenefitsTabled Document 9-14(5): Letter From Minister Groenewegen To Albert Lafferty Re Metis Health Benefits

Tabled Document 10-14(5): Report Of The Standing Committee On Governance And Economic Development On The Review Of The 2002-2005 Business Plans

Tabled Document 11-14(5): Report Of The Standing Committee On Accountability And Oversight On The Review Of The 2002-2005 Business Plans

Message To Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth Ii, Queen Of Canada

Appointment Of Conflict Of Interest Commissioner

To Amend The Mandate Of The Standing Committee On Accountability And Oversight

Bill 7:

An Act To Amend The Retiring Allowances Act And The Supplementary Retiring Allowances Act

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

amalgamation Of Business Support Programs

business Incentive Policy Draft

timber Inventory

recommendation 1

fire Suppression

community Protection Plans

renewable Resources

economic Development Agreement (eda)

discussions With Pipeline Groups

regional Reorganization

maximizing Northern Employment (mne)

energy Initiatives

oil And Gas Specialists For Communities

vacancies

Item 21: Report Of The Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Roger Allen , Honourable Jim Antoine , Mr. Bell , Mr. Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Mr. McLeod , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Nitah , Honourable Jake Ootes , Honourable Vince Steen , Honourable Tony Whitford .

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Please be seated. Good afternoon. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs , Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 14-14(5): Salt River First Nation - Treaty Settlement Agreement

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on January 22, 2002, I had the pleasure of signing the Salt River First Nation Treaty Settlement Agreement on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories.

After several years of negotiations, a Treaty Land Entitlement Agreement has been reached that represents the fulfillment of Canada's obligations to Salt River First Nation, based on Treaty 8, which was signed over 100 years ago. Finalizing this agreement was a historic event for members of the Salt River First Nation. We expect that this agreement will go to the Treasury Board in March, after which it is expected Canada will give its final approval.

Mr. Speaker, this agreement will benefit not only the members of Salt River First Nation but also the residents of Fort Smith and the entire Northwest Territories.

Under the terms of the agreement, Canada will pay Salt River First Nation $83,180,000 over five years and provide 166 square miles of reserve land at 20 locations in the Northwest Territories and Wood Buffalo National Park. This will enable Salt River First Nation to improve the standard of living for their members and to provide business and employment opportunities in the future.

I would ask Members to join me in congratulating the members of the Salt River First Nation on this historic agreement. I would also like to take this opportunity to recognize the hard work of the negotiating teams representing the Salt River First Nation and Canada. It is also important to publicly recognize the hard work of our negotiating team led by chief negotiator, Mr. Hugh Richardson, and the many GNWT officials who contributed to the successful completion of this agreement.

Mr. Speaker, I am looking forward to participating in the ceremonial signing and celebration of the treaty settlement agreement in Fort Smith later this summer. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 14-14(5): Salt River First Nation - Treaty Settlement Agreement

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Mahsi, Mr. Antoine . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Ootes .

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Minister's Statement 15-14(5): Richard Van Camp's Speaking Tour Of NWT Schools

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During our last session, my honourable colleague, Michael Miltenberger , told us of the outstanding accomplishments of Richard Van Camp. Mr. Van Camp is an award-winning writer who has been recognized internationally for his outstanding talent and literary accomplishments. A proud member of the Dogrib Nation, he was born and raised in Fort Smith. He is currently working toward his master's degree in creative writing at the University of Victoria.

I am happy to tell you that Mr. Van Camp has graciously agreed to give up his reading week to visit schools and libraries throughout the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, the students who will have the opportunity to meet Mr. Van Camp are very lucky and we are fortunate that we can introduce our young people to Northerners like Mr. Van Camp, whose writing often reflects the lives of young Northerners with honesty and compassion. An excellent role model, Mr. Van Camp is a Northerner who is a shining example of personal and professional success. In addition to winning a major literary award in Germany last fall, Mr. Van Camp will represent Canada at the European Association of Commonwealth Literature and Language Studies Conference in Copenhagen, Denmark, next month.

Throughout the month of February, Mr. Van Camp will visit numerous NWT communities, including Norman Wells, Inuvik, Fort Simpson, Wekweti, Rae-Edzo and Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, this tour is a remarkable opportunity to encourage young Northerners to embrace literacy and develop a lifelong passion for reading and writing. Mr. Van Camp's tour will wrap up just prior to the beginning of Education Week, which begins March 4th. The theme for this year's Education Week is Changing Land, Changing Peoples. I am certain you will agree that young Northerners like Mr. Van Camp are at the vanguard of those changes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 15-14(5): Richard Van Camp's Speaking Tour Of NWT Schools

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Steen .

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Minister's Statement 16-14(5): NWT Outstanding Volunteer Awards

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to provide Members with information on the 2002 NWT Outstanding Volunteer Awards Program.

Municipal and Community Affairs began the Outstanding Volunteer Awards Program in 1991. The awards program recognizes the important contribution that volunteers make to our communities and the whole NWT. Since 1991, awards have been presented to individuals and organizations nominated by the public for their volunteer work. By drawing attention to these volunteers, the awards also highlight the role that all NWT volunteers play.

I am pleased to announce that the NWT Power Corporation joined the department as the corporate sponsor for the awards program this past year. With the assistance of the Power Corporation, we have been able to improve promotion of the NWT Outstanding Volunteer Awards Program and expand the recognition all volunteers receive.

Mr. Speaker, helping our friends and neighbours is a way of life for Northerners. Sometimes we help out by volunteering with a group or organization. Often we help out in more informal ways. Some examples may include shoveling snow for a neighbour or sharing food from a hunt. The NWT Volunteer Awards Program presents awards in several categories to highlight the many different ways that people may volunteer. These include:

• Respected Elder Award

• High Five Youth Award

• Good Neighbour Award

• Outstanding Volunteer Award

• Board Member Award

• Outstanding Community/Regional/Territorial Organization Award

Mr. Speaker, I am also pleased to advise Members that the department will be introducing a special volunteer recognition program later this spring. This program will recognize fire fighters and their fire departments for their service and dedication to community safety. We plan to present the first fire fighter awards during Fire Safety Week in October. I will have more information on this program for Members this spring.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would like to remind Members that nominations for the 2002 NWT Outstanding Volunteer Awards close on February 28th. Awards will be presented in the categories I mentioned at the territorial level and in each region. I would like to invite all Members and their constituents to nominate a volunteer from their communities for an award. Nomination forms are available from MACA and Power Corporation offices. I will announce award recipients in April during National Volunteer Week, when we will also hold events to recognize all NWT volunteers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 17-14(5): Update On Kyoto Protocol

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to update Members on my recent meeting with Canada's Environment and Energy Ministers on the Kyoto Protocol. This protocol is important to the Northwest Territories because it is an international agreement to slow climate change and to control greenhouse gases.

The meeting provided an opportunity to review the economic analysis on what the effect ratification of the Kyoto Protocol may have on the Canadian economy. We also had the opportunity to provide further direction on the measures this economic analysis should focus on.

There will be costs if Canada reduces greenhouse gases to the Kyoto target. There will also be costs if Canada does not proceed. All federal, provincial and territorial Environment and Energy Ministers want to ensure that when Canada adopts the Kyoto Protocol, we develop the most economical plan to meet the targets.

Canada's Environment and Energy Ministers will meet again in late May to continue discussions on measures to control climate change and when Canada should ratify the Kyoto Protocol.

Mr. Speaker, all territories, provinces and the federal government agree that climate change is an issue that needs to be addressed. The question is how to proceed. For some, the cost of reducing greenhouse gases will be an investment in new energy efficient equipment for industry, transportation, heating and producing electricity. For others, the cost will be a decline in their industry. This is especially true for the coal or heavy oil industry, which will lose customers when they turn to cleaner fuels. Some regions and some industries could experience greater costs.

Federal, provincial and territorial Environment and Energy Ministers have initiated discussions on how this burden can be shared equally.

Mr. Speaker, climate change remains a very serious concern to this government. Scientists predict that the warming we are now experiencing will increase because greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere are rising rapidly. For this reason, the Government of the Northwest Territories supports international actions to reduce emissions, including the Kyoto Protocol.

The NWT Greenhouse Gas Strategy should be finalized before the May meeting. We need to develop our own actions to control greenhouse gases and to ensure these actions make economic sense while meeting our needs. We need to work with the federal, provincial and territorial governments to ensure that Canada's plan will allow us to meet our needs in the future.

Mr. Speaker, it is very important that northern territorial Ministers attend these meetings and make our northern views known to federal and provincial Ministers. We are already experiencing greater changes in our environment and weather than the rest of the country. I will continue to work with my colleagues from the Yukon and Nunavut to remind Ministers in the rest of the country that climate change is a major environmental problem that Canada and the rest of the world must address. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 17-14(5): Update On Kyoto Protocol

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Mahsi, Mr. Minister. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Metis Health Benefits Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to talk about a subject that has been raised in this House before and is now coming to a head in regard to Metis health benefits, the program and its administration.

We received different calls from local presidents in our different communities and heard there is a concern. There is a move in hand to allow the South Slave Metis Council to take over and administer the Metis Health Benefit Programs.

Again, Mr. Speaker, we talk about our relationship with First Nations governments. Metis locals are First Nations governments and the whole process for consultation, involvement and ensuring that anything that this government does, it does in conjunction with the aboriginal leaders.

Mr. Speaker, the previous Minister of Health , Mrs. Groenewegen , through a letter she wrote on August 28th, made it clear to the Metis organizations that she was not going to move on this matter. In the letter, it clearly states:

Please be assured that the NWT Metis Council will also be consulted if any changes to the Metis Health Benefits Programs are to be considered.

Yet, Mr. Speaker, through the new Minister of Health and Social Services , he seems to be taking this thing full speed ahead and no consultation whatsoever with our Metis locals and Metis organizations. Now there is talk that the Minister may be out taking advantage of his new portfolio and being the Member for Thebacha and who basically wants to -- and who, through his electorate who put him in office to deliver on some of those commitments, knowing this has a detrimental threat to the Metis Nations up and down the valley.

We have had a Metis organization, which was the Metis Nation...

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Mr. Krutko , we have a point of order. Whose point of order? The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

Point of Order

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My colleague, Mr. Krutko , I believe is imputing false motive, which I think is unacceptable and completely erroneous, that I am somehow using my position to benefit my constituency directly. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Member for Thebacha rose on a point of order that comments made by the honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta may or may not have been out of parliamentary language. I will reserve judgment on that until I have had a chance to review the unedited Hansard.

I would just ask the honourable Members to observe and to follow the rules, your rules, in the House as far as language is concerned and inference of what is being said. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta still has 23 seconds left in his statement if he wishes to continue. Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the whole discussion is on process. I think the lack of process, in which sometimes going full speed ahead, can cause us to have collisions. In this case, there is a collision occurring between the Metis locals and this Minister. The conduct of the Minister has had an affect on the Metis locals with the concern of a major benefit they receive...

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Your time for your Member's statement has ended, Mr. Krutko . Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays, Mr. Krutko . You may conclude your statement.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Metis health benefit program is very important to all Metis locals, especially the ones I represent. Up and down the valley, we cannot simply allow for one Metis organization to take over a program that includes all Metis up and down the Mackenzie Valley. I for one, Mr. Speaker, will be asking the Minister questions on this matter, knowing that his predecessor, in a letter that I have and will table in this House later, is to the contrary of what he is doing. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Homelessness Coalition

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on February 11th, the Member of Parliament for the Northwest Territories, Ethel Blondin-Andrew, Minister responsible for Youth , was in Yellowknife to formally celebrate the signing of an agreement between the Homelessness Coalition and the federal government, which makes more than $790,000 available for projects aimed at the homeless. This is truly timely.

I would like to extend my congratulations to the Homelessness Coalition, which is now a partnership of more than 15 agencies, both non-government and government, on how they have moved the strategy along. This is only because of unprecedented cooperation among the non-government agencies in particular.

Our Member of Parliament commented on the partnership and reinforced that this organization is so effective because of the nature of their partnership. It is working effectively to address a problem that reaches across the mandate of all agencies involved.

Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories made a welcome move by agreeing to have the NWT Housing Corporation formally join the coalition. Having a senior official participate has been very helpful.

With the funding now in place, the coalition is now looking for a community housing coordinator. They will soon be ready to review proposals and put the money to work helping the homeless.

Mr. Speaker, homelessness remains a critical issue. The YWCA of Yellowknife currently operates the only transitional housing for families in Yellowknife and those 20 units are always full. There is a waiting list so homeless families are being turned away.

Mr. Speaker, one of the first initiatives that the coalition will undertake will see two coalition partners taking over houses that will be renovated and used for transitional housing to help people progress into the wage economy.

Mr. Speaker, in a Member's statement in a previous session, I asked Premier Kakfwi to appoint a Minister responsible for homelessness. In response to questions that day, he said he would commit to giving us a response before this session of the House began. I recognize that the Premier was travelling with Team Canada before this session and has been away for a while so he missed the opportunity to follow through on that promise.

Mr. Speaker, given the growing number of homeless people in the North, I hope he will commit today to name a Member of Cabinet responsible for the issue of homelessness. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be following up on this issue in question period.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod .

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Resource Development Compensation For Harvesters

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my statement today concerns consultation between resource development companies and communities and a role that this government plays in ensuring that traditional harvesters are adequately compensated for lost income.

Mr. Speaker, on December 3, 2001, the Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board issued a report on the Cameron Hills gathering system of pipeline development as proposed by Paramount Resources Limited. Several of the conclusions of the report were directly linked in some way to the role of the GNWT. In addition to the environmental issues, the board also made comment upon several socio-economic matters, such as the development of a benefit plan and the usage of traditional knowledge in the project.

Item number 13 in the measures recommended by the review board recommends:

INAC ensures that Paramount discusses its proposed compensation plan for the affected communities and the GNWT. Paramount should widen the scope of the proposed benefits plan to ensure that reasonable and credible land and resource impacts caused by the development and identified by communities are eligible for compensation.

However, in the main body of its report, the review board noted that the GNWT does not have any resource harvesting compensation policy.

The review board pointed out that in the absence of any policy, regulation or requirement for compensation framework by either the territorial or federal government, the developer has no legal obligation to enter into such negotiations.

Mr. Speaker, the statement of principles upon which INAC bases its approval for benefits plans for first applicable territorial policies in respect of compensation. INAC obviously assumed that there would be some in place when they drafted their benefit plan criteria. Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, there is no such territorial government policy in place.

The review board is actually recommending that INAC remove this reference to territorial policies until such time as this government decides that there should be some.

Mr. Speaker, I find this to be a significant and disturbing gap in the GNWT regulations. This government must ensure that harvesting rights and traditional land users are treated fairly. What type of message is this lack of policy...

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Mr. McLeod , the time for your Member's statement has ended. Mr. McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays, Mr. McLeod . You may conclude.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what type of message is this lack of policy and regulations sending to the resource developers when they arrive on traditional lands wanting to conduct business? Mr. Speaker, I agree with the review board when they state that compensation for resource harvesting should be part of a benefits plan. I further agree with them when they state that data collection processes by the GNWT should be improved to allow for proper calculation of resource harvesting compensation.

Mr. Speaker, it should be a priority area for this government that it plays a strong support role for communities that are faced with resource development pressures. It is therefore incumbent on the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development to develop an adequate data collection procedure and analysis methods to assist communities.

This government should also be providing training courses and workshops in the communities to help train community environmental and heritage monitors so they can meaningfully represent their communities in the important jobs they hold.

Mr. Speaker, let us get our act together and start helping communities, rather than unwittingly working against them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Resource Development Compensation For Harvesters

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Page 161

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. McLeod . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .

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Inuvialuit Regional Corporation Native Hockey Tournament

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 161

Roland

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to report on the weekend activities held in Inuvik. Mr. Speaker, at this time of year, we in Inuvik hold a tournament called the IRC Cup, or IRC Tournament, and that is the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation Tournament. This year, teams came in from Holman, Deline, Paulatuk, Aklavik, Tuktoyaktuk and Inuvik. This tournament gave me the opportunity to travel back home and take

part in the weekend activities, as well as meet with a lot of people who have travelled to Inuvik to take in the tournament and the exciting games that were played.

Mr. Speaker, without the people who put these tournaments together, it would be difficult indeed to hold together the long winter season. The IRC Cup, as was mentioned in the closing ceremonies, there needs to be thanks given to the organizers and volunteers that made it a great success. There are a lot of them who were involved and a lot of businesses as well that supported the different hockey teams.

However, the key people who got this year's IRC Tournament off to a good start and closed in a great fashion were Donnie and Wilma Hendricks, James and Peggy Day and, of course, the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation that helped put it together.

Mr. Speaker, it was the fans who showed up to watch the games that made the weekend's events that much more exciting and gratifying, especially for the hockey players that would come out and put their best game forward, so to speak. Mr. Speaker, there is something to say about what was accomplished.

The team that I played for, our average age was 41 years. We took on a lot of young men out there and every time we stepped out on the ice, we were led by the song "Who let the Dogs Out?" Mr. Speaker, that was because our team, as we called ourselves, were the Inuvik Old Dogs. We showed the old dogs still had some bite because we won the B division. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you. Good to see there was a lot of barking. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Lafferty .

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Replacement Water Treatment Plant For Rae

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 161

Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my statement today is on safe drinking water. I see that the standards in the Northwest Territories are improving with the proposed mandatory certification of anyone working with water treatment plants. That is a great idea, Mr. Speaker, but we need the proper facilities and water from the right source. We have to use the water intake from Marion Lake, the source the people do not want, in Rae-Edzo. In the case of Rae, the people want the supply from Russell Lake, which is clean water coming from the Barren Lands.

Mr. Speaker, the people from Rae are the ones living there and they are the ones who want to have the clean drinking water. It is their health that is affected by the water they drink.

Mr. Speaker, a good example is Fort McPherson. They have to truck in water from many kilometres out of town. Sometimes we may have to travel further, but we want our water from a good source.

Mr. Speaker, there may be other options as well. When we do projects of this magnitude, we need to use traditional knowledge. We have seen projects where traditional knowledge was not used in the past and it is costing the government more than it should. Sometimes we see departments going through procedures or costly studies, but at the back of their minds, they have already decided what the communities are going to get.

The studies can be smoke screens, time wasters or dust collectors. In this case, it appears the government is going to go with the cheapest option and not the will of the community residents. I have asked repeatedly for MACA to consider the wishes of the residents instead of shoving through a project they do not want. I will have questions for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 161

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bell .

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Ministerial Involvement In Public Service Staffing Actions

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 161

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as you know, I recently questioned our government about personnel policies for excluded employees. I was expressing concern that excluded and management employees of the Northwest Territories public service have little protection regarding employment-related issues.

The Minister responsible for the public service has, to his credit, responded to me very quickly. I will be tabling that letter later today. He did point out that there is a degree of protection provided in several acts and policies that we have; the Public Service Act, the Canadian Human Rights Act, the Northwest Territories Fair Practices Act, the Workplace Conflict Resolution Policy, Code of Conduct, Job Evaluation Policy and the human resource manual.

Mr. Speaker, the purpose of my statement today is not to quibble with the Minister over the relative strengths or shortcomings of these acts and policies. I do want to point out though, Mr. Speaker, that I was surprised to learn that although the Public Service Act enables the Minister for the public service or his delegates, typically deputy ministers or CEOs of boards, to appoint and terminate public service employees, it does not specifically prohibit Ministers from involving themselves in staffing actions.

Mr. Speaker, this clearly is not appropriate and I think it is something we need to address in our legislation or policies. Mr. Speaker, I simply think we owe it to our public service to tackle these very important issues and let them know how highly we value them. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Inadequate Complement Of Alcohol And Drug Counsellor Positions

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 162

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week I raised the issue of adequate resources and training for drug and alcohol counsellors because of the important role they play in addressing addictions in our communities.

In a related matter, Mr. Speaker, there is also an issue of the adequacy of the number of positions and the staffing of these positions funded through our health and social services boards. For many years, the Hay River Drug and Alcohol Society operated as an NGO. They had their own board of directors; community volunteers who were concerned about addictions issues in the community.

Last year it was decided that the Hay River Drug and Alcohol Society would come under the management and governance of the Hay River Community Health and Social Services Board. There were five positions; an executive director, three counsellors and an office manager. Since the health board takeover, the executive director's position was redefined, requiring a Master's degree, making the incumbent ineligible and creating one vacancy that was not subsequently filled.

One counsellor position was reprofiled to that of a mental health worker, decreasing the complement by a further counsellor position and leaving two drug and alcohol counsellors with the entire program delivery and counselling responsibilities.

Mr. Speaker, because of this, not only are valuable community programs being cut or modified, the caseload for the remaining two counsellors is such that client follow-up visits that should occur weekly are booked bi-weekly or monthly. In most cases, a client in crisis needs to wait a week in order to have a session with a counsellor.

It is untenable for the clients and it is untenable for the counsellors trying to meet the demands on their services. A serious loss to our community occurs when these positions are left vacant or are reprofiled to other areas. How many people are not receiving the help they need in a timely manner? What is an acceptable waiting time and waiting list to exist for these services?

Important programs aimed at youth, at preventing smoking, referrals from court ordered counselling for persons on probation cannot be accommodated and this is an unacceptable situation. This has an enormous ripple effect in the community when these positions are not staffed and counselling services are not available.

Later today, I will have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services regarding these vacancies and changes in staffing in Hay River. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Young Women's Conference

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 162

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier this month on February 1st, I had the privilege of taking

part in the First Annual Young Women's Conference in Yellowknife. This was a phenomenal conference organized by Skills Canada, Northwest Territories and Nunavut to provide an opportunity for all young women in grade 8 from schools across the Northwest Territories and Nunavut to meet female mentors who work in the areas of trades, technology and non-traditional occupations, and to participate in networking and hands-on activities.

Some 180 girls from Inuvik, Fort McPherson, Rae-Edzo, Fort Providence, Kugluktuk, Gjoa Haven, Fort Good Hope, Kugaaruk, Wha Ti and Yellowknife attended the event. There were dozens more chaperones and volunteers, as well as the female mentors, filling the room to capacity.

I must say, Mr. Speaker, it was quite a sight to see 180 girls chatting to each other and with the female mentors, to share their interests and to absorb all the current information that was made available to them. There were also a lot of smiles and laughter. I can tell you first-hand it was truly a learning and rewarding experience for the mentors, just as it was for the students.

The female mentors came from engineering, aviation, RCMP, military, fire fighting, broadcasting and some of them were even wildlife officers and politicians. Many in attendance recognized that this could not have been such a success without the focus, determination and hard work of Allyson Stroeder, the executive director of Skills Canada.

She brought together government agencies and sought and found major corporate sponsors to give generously to make this happen. She was also instrumental in collecting dozens of volunteers to make sure 180 girls did exactly what they were supposed to do every minute of the day, which is not always easy.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to send my sincere thanks and congratulations to Ms. Stroeder for the excellent job and the corporate sponsors and volunteers and mentors for giving so generously. I look forward to the event next year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Steen .

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Inuvialuit Regional Corporation Native Hockey Tournament

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 162

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, along with my colleague for Inuvik Boot Lake, Mr. Roland , I have congratulations as well on the Inuvik hockey tournament. Mr. Speaker, not all of the exciting hockey tournaments were held in Salt Lake City, Utah over the past few days.

The annual IRC Native Hockey Tournament was held in Inuvik this past weekend as well. As usual, it was a very popular event, which was well attended by all of the Delta community residents and athletes.

The results of the competition were as follows: in the B division, the finals were won by the Inuvik Old Dogs, as my colleague from Inuvik said, over the Tuk Warriors four to two. However, in the A division, it was the Tuk E. Gruben's Transport team over the Inuvik Northwinds by a score of seven to four.

My congratulations to the winning Tuk team and thanks to all the players who took

part in the tournament, including the teams from Holman and Paulatuk for their contribution to a successful tournament.

Mr. Speaker, this is a great annual sporting event that promotes sportsmanship, teamwork and good fellowship by all participants. I look forward to next year's event. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Steen . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine .

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Tribute To Canadian Winter Olympians

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 163

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I stand today to give honour to our men and women who went to the Olympics, those who won the medals on our behalf. Especially the final day there, on Sunday, when the men took the gold. It was a great day for Canadians.

I had the opportunity to be in Victoria that day to see the last period and see the Canadians win the gold. The spontaneous reaction of the citizens, not only in Victoria but throughout the whole country in celebrating Canada's victory, was a great patriotic time. We saw on TV that we as Canadians were very proud to be Canadians that day.

I just wanted to say thank you and congratulations to the Olympic gold medal winners. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 163

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Captain Karen Hoeft of the Salvation Army, who is also the chair of the Homelessness Coalition in Yellowknife.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Question 67-14(5): Addressing Homelessness In The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 163

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, recognizing a very serious problem throughout Canada, the federal government appointed the Honourable Claudette Bradshaw as the federal coordinator on homelessness. Since then, other jurisdictions, including Nunavut, have appointed Ministers to similar positions.

Mr. Speaker, with the number of homeless people on the rise, will the Premier appoint a Minister in this government with responsibility for the homelessness issue?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Premier , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Question 67-14(5): Addressing Homelessness In The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 163

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There will be an announcement, a Minister's statement, on this issue tomorrow. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 163

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Premier . Supplementary, Mr. Dent . No further supplementary? Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 68-14(5): Rae Water Supply Options

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 163

Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Honourable Vince Steen , Minister for Municipal and Community Affairs . My question is regarding the Rae water intake, Rae water treatment plant and the Rae water source. They are all one project. The understanding I am getting talking to people with MACA and outside of MACA is that the department is going through the procedures of just doing testing, and telling everybody that the project is being looked at, the design is being looked at.

However, what I am hearing is the project is going to go ahead as MACA planned. They are going to be using old infrastructure and putting a plan in for the next 50 to 60 years. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 68-14(5): Rae Water Supply Options

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Steen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 163

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the information I have is that in October, 2001, the then Minister and the Minister of Health and Social Services and the respective deputies, as well as the North Slave MLA and a MACA superintendent and municipal engineer, all attended a council meeting to review the water source option. It was decided that the...(inaudible)...for Marion Lake and Russell Lake be taken to cover a period of time over the whole year, whereby different turbulence would be able to be analyzed. As well, specific sites identified by elders as to where preferred sources would be located were also indicated.

The department has not moved away from this approach. We are still awaiting a Public Works and Service report from the consultants as to the results of these studies. I believe that some samples are still to come this spring, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 68-14(5): Rae Water Supply Options

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 164

Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The project is going to be a cost of over $3 million above the projected capital cost. I am just wondering, would this extra $3 million be a deciding factor when it comes to weighing where the facilities should go in this community? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 164

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Steen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 164

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the figures I have been given are three different figures. One was $1.75 million for the existing location, and $4.1 million for a truck from Russell Lake, and $5.5 million if it is piped from Russell Lake. The department's main concern is to bring safe water into the community. It is not the price. So whatever source is safe and meets the standards set by Health and Social Services and national standards as well, will be the deciding factor. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 68-14(5): Rae Water Supply Options

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 164

Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when we do capital projects, we have to plan for the future. As I understand it, Rae is going to be expanding towards Russell Lake. When they do expand, the watershed will be contaminated with the run-offs of winter living, so the source from Marion Lake will be contaminated then. I would ask the Minister if they would take all other future plans of the community and traditional knowledge and the historical data into effect when they make a decision. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Steen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 164

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can assure the Member that the department will keep in mind the expansion plans for the community, as well as keep the community involved in the discussions and the decision-making as to where the source would be, as well as the Member. So nothing is going to happen until everybody agrees on the source here. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 164

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 69-14(5): Alcohol And Drug Treatment Resources

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 164

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, prior to the take-over of the Drug and Alcohol Society in Hay River, this NGO received funding for five positions, which flowed from the Department of Health and Social Services to the health board and then to the society. For the benefit of my constituents who are having difficulty understanding this reduction in positions, programs and services, I would like the Minister to explain what role the government, through his department, plays in ensuring the adequacy of resources and staff positions in the communities? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the role of the government is to provide the base funding to work with the communities and the health boards in the communities to make sure that core services are provided and that programs that have traditionally been funded, such as alcohol and drug programs, are funded.

In terms of dictating to the community or telling the community exactly how things are to be structured, that falls within the purview of the health boards. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, so if the position for the director or the program coordinator has been vacant for almost a year, and if this government is providing funding to the health board to fund that particular position, is the Minister still saying that has been the purview of the health board and he has no ability to intervene in that situation? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, very clearly, now that the issue has been raised and brought to my attention, I will be following up with the chair of the board in Hay River, and as well with the department, to find out the particulars of this situation raised by my colleague and the detail that she has put before this House in terms of what has happened and transpired with those specific positions. Thank you

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What support is the Minister in a position to offer through the resources of his department to ensure that this very important position is staffed in the very near future? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, very clearly as I indicated, the issue has been raised and brought to my attention. I will be following up with the appropriate authorities in Hay River. It is clearly the role of the health board in determining the structure of the services provided in the community. I will definitely be discussing the concerns raised here by my colleague, Mrs. Groenewegen . Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, for the benefit of my constituents who have raised a concern about this issue, what happens to the money that is funded to the health board when a position remains vacant for almost a year and that money is obviously not spent on the purpose for which it was provided to the board? Does that money just become discretionary in the hands of the board to do with what they will? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member is clear in how she answered the question she posed. The money is in the health boards' budget and we tend to look at the bottom line figures over the course of the year and try to make sure they do not have deficits. In this particular case, once again an issue has been raised about funds and how they were allocated and possibly not spent. We will be checking on that. Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . I would like to ask the Minister of RWED to explain why the Government of the Northwest Territories does not have any resource harvesting compensation policies and regulations in place that resource developers can refer to when they are developing benefit plans as required by INAC? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government used to have such a policy when we used to have Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources. The decision was made back when this department was no longer functioning not to proceed with that policy anymore. The main reason for not having such a policy is that it is not enforceable. It could be there but it did not have any enforceable mechanism to be effective. As a result, the decision was made back about a government ago, that this policy cannot be used, so it was no use having it anymore. That is the reason why we do not have a policy at this point. Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board recommended that the Government of the Northwest Territories devote more resources to the collection of analysis of data related to the economic value of traditional economy in communities affected by development activities. Can the Minister of RWED explain what his department is doing in regard to this need? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department is fully aware of the impending resource development that is starting to happen around us, especially in the oil and gas sector, so we need to take these recommendations from the Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board and other suggestions to start looking at what we as a government can do to protect the people who are traditional harvesters out on the land. We are taking these recommendations very seriously. There is work being done, I am told, and we will look at the work that has been going on for some time.

I understand that some time in March we will have a report to look at the beginning of how we could deal with this type of impending resource development. Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, item 16 of the measures recommended by the review board in its December 3rd decision on the Cameron Hills gathering system and pipeline development, as proposed by Paramount Resources Limited, recommended that an amended benefits plan different than the one by INAC on September 15th be provided to a number of agencies, including the Government of the Northwest Territories. Item 13 recommends that INAC discuss this amended plan with the Government of the Northwest Territories.

Can the Minister confirm whether or not his department has received a copy of the amended benefits plan? Can he indicate whether or not the community rules approve of the amended benefits plan are attached?

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine , two questions there.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is a very good question. It is kind of detailed for me to respond at this point in time. I am not going to take it as notice, but I will tell the Member that I will look into this matter and get back to him. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Your final supplementary, Mr. McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is difficult to ask my supplementary because my next question was based on his answer. However, I would like to ask if the Minister is aware if the company and INAC have been meeting with the communities and consulting with them in a proper sense in terms of traditional knowledge gathering and the community benefits plan? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am aware of the consultation that is going on. I have had some discussion with people from Kakisa not too long ago and they were not satisfied with the level and nature of the consultation that has occurred by Paramount in their community with their elders. As the Member indicated, is it proper consultation? From what I have heard in discussion with the community, it is not proper the way the consultation had taken place. We will have to look further into it.

There are some conditions according to the Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board recommendations that we have to take into consideration with regard to the impact benefits agreement, and with respect to using traditional knowledge and gathering information on the traditional harvesting economy. We need to do that and we will get back to the Member on that. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today goes to the Minister responsible for the Liquor Licensing Commission. I would like to follow up on the statement I made yesterday about special licensing for special events to have liquor available. As I stated yesterday, Mr. Speaker, I am not advocating making liquor available at all occasions at all times, but the more I think about it, this policy the board follows does not make any sense to me. It says that they would grant special licences for only two occasions, one is the Grey Cup and one is the Super Bowl.

I do not play football and I do not play hockey or anything like that, but I think there are more people up North who play hockey than football. What about the Masters golf game or curling? Why only the two sports and why only two occasions? Has the Minister had a chance to look at that?

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The responsibility for issuing licences and permits for special occasions is clearly within the authority of the liquor board. My responsibility is to appoint the board. I cannot interfere in their responsibilities as long as they perform their duties within the act.

With regard to why not more special occasions or more flexibility in there, I have not yet had a chance to write to the board, but I have spoken to the board chairman on this issue and certainly intend to follow it up further, and would suggest to the board that they review the situation and maybe have more flexibility in their policy for their staff to follow. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for his answer. I appreciate that politicians are not supposed to interfere in the work of boards, but at the same time we are accountable to the public on the judgments they make. We appoint them and we have the right to tell them of some of our concerns. When the Minister communicates with the board about this matter, would the Minister also be able to talk to them about giving the reply with sufficient time so there might be some time for responses? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, yes, I will raise that issue with the board as well. I think often these special occasions happen with very little notice and I know for the establishment operators and the board itself, there is sometimes very little time to deal with the issue.

In this particular occasion that came up, it was a case of our Canadian men's Olympic hockey team playing for a gold medal. There was little notice, little time, so things were happening very fast. I will ask them to do everything they can to ensure good time frames. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand that some of the special events come very quickly, but I do know the board had at least a week to consider this application.

The other side of the concern is that one of the operators in Yellowknife did not get a response until Friday night for something that was supposed to happen on Sunday. I am talking about giving enough notice so there can be some leeway for operators to respond.

Would the Minister commit to relaying that information to the board? I think it should be both ways. People should be expected to apply as soon as possible and the board should respond as soon as possible.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 167

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Finance, Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Yes, Mr. Speaker, the Member has a good point and I will get that message to the board. Thank you.

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Page 167

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .

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Question 72-14(5): Monitoring Of Third Party Funding

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 167

Roland

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question would be directed to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . It is a line of questioning I will follow on as we go through our session days here. I started in the area of justice.

It comes in the area of traditional knowledge and healing. There are a number of things included in that title. Again, when I had opportunity to visit home on the weekend, I had a call from a concerned constituent regarding some of the practices that are now starting to unfold in some of the communities.

It is more the relevancy of certain traditions that are now being put forward out there by groups that are funded either through this government or third party funding. I would like to know from the Minister of Health and Social Services , when they give out third party funding, do they have any monitoring of how those expenditures are done and if they are relevant, in a sense, to the field they are operating in?

I will give you a specific example, Mr. Speaker. In Education, Culture and Employment, religion classes, as they call them, or local programming as they were titled, were allowed at one time during school hours and now have been cut because they are considered unconstitutional because it deals with just one religion.

I would like to know, in that aspect, in the Department of Health and Social Services, does it monitor when it gives out funding if the groups receiving that money are following that criteria? Thank you.

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Page 167

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the big budget, the main budget, flows through the Inuvik Regional Health Authority and they in turn make arrangements with the NGOs in the various communities. They make the decisions in terms of what they want to fund and how they want to fund it.

We, the government, monitor how funds are spent, and that the legislative mandate is adhered to. Do we comply with all the other statutory obligations of the programs that we have under our purview? At the level the Member is talking about in terms of a decision made by a local group to bring in some type of traditional knowledge healer, that is something that would be dealt with at the community level. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Roland

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I accept that answer and that is what we are trying to do as a government, is give more responsibility to communities. My question is more in the framework or the limitations that would be placed on expenditures as the Government of the Northwest Territories. Is that information flowed down to these groups so they are aware that by funding one group or one healer over another, that in fact that opportunity has to be made to all other groups? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, without the benefit of the detailed information regarding the types of traditional healing that my colleague is referring to, I am unable to give a real definitive response. The whole area of traditional knowledge, traditional healing, is one where there is no black and white kind of description.

If the Member would share that information with me I would be very willing to follow-up on that. I would also, just by virtue of the fact that it has been raised in this House, be raising that information and passing it on with people in Inuvik. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 73-14(5): Metis Health Benefits Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 168

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services in regard to my Member's statement.

Mr. Speaker, the department has put out a request for proposals for the administration of the Metis Health Benefits Program. Mr. Speaker, his predecessor, Mrs. Groenewegen , clearly stated in a letter she wrote to the Metis local presidents that before any changes take place, consultation will take place with all Metis communities and Metis councils before any changes to the Metis Health Benefit Program are considered.

Yet, Mr. Speaker, right now there is a proposal out there. I believe it is still open for the next couple of weeks. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister, why is it that he has put out this call for proposals knowing that his predecessor has, through a letter to the Metis locals, said that consultation will take place before any changes happen? Why has that not happened?

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this particular request for proposals is just part of the daily business of the Department of Health and Social Services. The contract for the payment of Metis claims has been with Blue Cross. That particular contract expires March 31st, 2002. It was only deemed to be good sense to put out a request for proposals to ensure that we could continue the payment side of this very important program.

It has nothing to do with the eligibility or who gets benefits. All they do is process the claims. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with the call for proposals, was there consultation with the Metis organizations that there was going to be a call for proposals to allow for the private sector to deliver the Metis Health Benefit Program through this proposal?

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, given the fact that this particular function was seen to be purely administrative and part of making sure that there was no lapse in the contract and the service delivery, it was not deemed to be a change in any way to the Metis health benefits. It was dealt with strictly as an administrative matter, hence the request for proposals in the paper. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister, was the reason for the call for proposals because the South Slave Metis Council asked for the ability to deliver the Metis Health Benefits Program for their membership?

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me restate very clearly, if I may, that the current contract arrangement with Alberta Blue Cross expires March 31st, 2002. That was the reason there was a request for proposals put out. It had nothing whatsoever to do with any possible interest expressed by the South Slave Metis Tribal Council in terms of the administration of the Metis health benefits for their own members. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, regarding the Minister's comments, getting a request from the South Slave Metis Council, what action have you taken to ensure that before anything happens with any Métis organization that the full consultation will be taken with all Metis councils up and down the Mackenzie Valley?

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my discussions with the president of the South Slave Metis Tribal Council, I indicated that this issue could not be dealt with in isolation between the department and the South Slave Metis Tribal Council. I subsequently, coming to Yellowknife, have written to the three Metis organizations to invite them to the table in March to look at how this program is doing, given the fact that it was initially conceived under the Metis Nation and things have changed since then.

I want and need the benefit of their input and advice in terms of any changes that may be contemplated which would have to be discussed and agreed to and taken to Cabinet. Very clearly, there is a need to have all the players at the table. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Nitah .

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Question 74-14(5): Early Childhood Program Funding

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 169

Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is for the Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment regarding day cares. Mr. Speaker, on February 22nd, Mr. Ootes released a press release, followed by a Member's statement in the House, about the additional $1 million to be invested in early childhood education and day care. Mr. Speaker, it is good to see government responding to some of the concerns you raise in the House. I raised this issue last year.

Two areas that need critical investments; they plan to increase the contribution for infant space by 60 percent, which is a great idea, and to assist low-income parents with their day care dollars.

Mr. Speaker, these investments and announcements by the Minister implies that we have day cares in all our 32 communities of the Northwest Territories. That is not the case, Mr. Speaker.

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