Debates of March 21st, 1996

This is page numbers 13 - 35 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was employees .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Public Service Lay-offs

Wages And Benefits - Non-unionized Employees

Discrimination Elimination Of Racial

Sportsmanship Award

Education Week

Unfair Costs For Senior Citizens In Private Accommodation

Welcoming Carolyn Mccabe On Her Return To Work

MLA Sharks Hockey Practice

Tendering Pol Contracts In Nunakput

Need For Chiropractic Services

Appreciation Of Members Attending Ceremonies At Fort Rae

Regulatory Burden Experienced By Small Business

Impact Of Lay-offs And Salary Reductions On Small Communities

Kitikmeot Regional Council

Gracious Hospitality Experienced When Visiting Rae

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Question 111- 13(3): Departmental Assistance With Hay River Seniors' Housing Proposal

Request For GNWT To Meet With Kitikmeot Regional Council

Enforcement Of Hiring Policies

Tabling Report On Affirmative Action Policy

Stakeholder Responses Re Affirmative Action Policy Review

Date Of Lay-off Notice To GNWT Employees

Implementation Of Inuit Training Plans For Nunavut

Tendering Of Pol Contracts

GNWT Tendering Practices With Consultants

Ontario Government Study On Chiropractic Services

Percentage Of Lay-offs By Region

Coordination In Regions Without Regional Directors

Date Of Introduction Of New Northern Benefits Package

Question 24-1313): Coordinating Role Of Regional Directors In Nunavut

One Year Suspension Of Bip

Northern Accord Negotiations

Business Incentive Policy Review

Notification Of Lay-offs

Item 10: Petitions

Birthday Wishes To Linda Henry

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Tabled Document 1-13(3): Report Of The Commission On MLA Compensation

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine , Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel

Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr.

Ningark, Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 13

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Good afternoon. Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 5-13(3): Public Service Lay-offs

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 13

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, since the 13th Legislative Assembly was elected in the fall of last year, the government and standing committees of the Legislative Assembly have spent many long days reviewing department multi-year business plans to determine the best and fairest means of dealing with our fiscal problem.

We have reviewed all the government programs and operations to identify ways we can utilize our resources more effectively, reduce expenditures and find innovative ways to live within our means. The conclusions that have been reached are that changes are necessary in almost every aspect of government operations. As a result, the services presently provided by this government will be impacted, capital spending will be reduced, and the manner that we do business will be dramatically altered. These changes will necessarily involve reductions in the size of the public service and in its cost.

Although the business plan review process is not yet complete, to date the process has yielded a number of areas of agreement between government and the standing committees on how the government can be restructured and downsized to reduce expenditures.

This process has also allowed the government to largely determine where positions will need to be eliminated for the 1996-97 fiscal year and to proceed with the implementation of these reductions.

All Members of the House recognize that the budget reduction exercise currently undertaken by this government has caused a great deal of uncertainty and anxiety amongst our employees and their families. It has been our intention since the outset of this process to ensure that the decisions on expenditure reduction and job elimination be taken in a fair, consistent and rational manner.

As importantly, we have tried to implement these changes in a manner that would minimize job loss by eliminating positions through attrition and redeploying many of the staff affected. To a large extent, we have been successful in reducing the number of lay-offs that will be necessary.

Mr. Speaker, this process will result in some lay-offs. Employees affected by these lay-offs will be dealt with fairly. They will be provided with priority on government job competitions during the period that they are on lay-off notice. Employees that are not re-employed may choose from a range of assistance such as an enhanced severance pay package or education assistance for one year.

Mr. Speaker, the number of positions that have been eliminated in departments totals 295. From this number, the total lay-offs required are 150; 49 of these lay-offs were implemented earlier this year and we are in the process of implementing the remaining 101 lay-offs.

The reductions in positions are reasonably balanced across the Territory when compared to total government employment in each area. Headquarters reductions are slightly higher than other areas as emphasis has been placed on minimizing the impact of downsizing on front-line staff and direct services to clients.

The 295 positions that have been eliminated constitute the majority of position reductions required in 1996-97.

There will, however, be some additional reductions over the year as some of the departmental consolidations and other strategic direction initiatives of this government are implemented.

There may also be some staff adjustments made by boards funded by this government to deal with reduced funding. The impact of these actions will become clear within the next several months. In all cases, Mr. Speaker, it remains our intention to implement these reductions in a manner that minimizes job loss and ensures that the staff affected are treated fairly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 5-13(3): Public Service Lay-offs

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 13

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 6-13(3): Wages And Benefits - Non-unionized Employees

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 14

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When this Legislative Assembly took office, it faced a potential deficit of $150 million for 1996-97. It has been a very difficult task to find ways to manage our way out of this problem. Together, the standing committees of the Legislative Assembly and the Cabinet have come close to achieving the objective of sound fiscal management in a fair and reasonable manner.

As we have reached agreement on the components of our emerging plan over the last few months, we have been announcing the initiatives that we will be implementing. On several occasions, we have stated that one part of the overall solution to our financial situation will require us to address the $460 million that we spend on the public service. This has resulted in considerable speculation and concern among our employees about what this will mean to them. Mr. Speaker, I believe that it is best, wherever possible, to put an end to that speculation and alleviate employee uncertainty.

In February, we met with our non-unionized employees and sought their input on the preferred means by which wages and benefit reductions should be implemented. Taking that input into account, the following changes will be made to the compensation package for non-unionized employees, including deputy ministers, managers and excluded employees, effective April 1. 1996.

- The $5,400 annual accommodation allowance will be eliminated by rolling it into the current base rates of pay. A 6.25 per cent reduction will then be made to the new base.

- The existing settlement allowance and vacation travel assistance benefit will be combined into a northern allowance that each employee will be entitled to. The northern allowance will have a fixed base of $1,750 in Yellowknife and will be adjusted by an index to reflect differences in the cost of living among communities. The new northern allowance is structured to ensure that employees can continue to receive the income tax deductions for travel expenses. However, travel days and winter bonus days will be eliminated.

The ultimate removal entitlement will be frozen as of March 31, 1996, and the maximum benefit will be capped. Ultimate removal will not be available for future employees. In addition, removal on initial appointment will be eliminated as a term and condition of employment and will be revised to support specific recruitment needs.

Medical travel assistance will be retained as a benefit of employment but will be brought into line with the benefits available to the general public through the NWT health care system. And,

Unique rates of pay will be established for excluded casual employees and summer students to reflect the work that they perform.

Mr. Speaker, these changes will be implemented April 1, 1996, for non-unionized employees. It is also our intention to eliminate the $5,400 accommodation allowance, effective August 31, 1996, for teachers and March 31, 1996, for all other employees, by offering to roll it into base wages as done for non-unionized employees. This will be subject to a negotiation process with the unions and will only occur when other changes to the wages and benefits for unionized employees are made.

Implementation of this decision on April 1, 1996, will avoid potential overpayment in wages and vacation travel assistance for non-unionized employees. The recovery of these payments could cause an unnecessary financial hardship for these employees.

The same concern exists for unionized employees. I have asked my officials to work out an arrangement with the unions that will avoid payment of vacation travel assistance in 1996 pending the results of negotiation of a new collective agreement.

Mr. Speaker, these changes to the wage and benefit entitlements for non-unionized employees reflect the new fiscal realities facing this government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--- Applause

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Minister's Statement 6-13(3): Wages And Benefits - Non-unionized Employees

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 14

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 7-13(3): Discrimination Elimination Of Racial

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 14

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, 30 years ago, the United Nations made March 21st the International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination. This special day was declared for two reasons: It commemorates the sacrifices made by peaceful demonstrators in South Africa who were killed and wounded during a demonstration against apartheid in 1960, and it reminds us of the need to end racism.

Mr. Speaker, Canada is recognized internationally as a country of fair-minded people. Historically, we have taken a leadership role in efforts to bring about peace, prosperity and global harmony.

And we have laws to protect human rights and to promote the full and equal participation of all Canadians. They include the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Canadian Multiculturalism Act.

These initiatives have gone a long way towards creating a fairer and just society. But, unfortunately, unacceptable levels of racism and discrimination still exist within Canada.

Every Canadian has a stake in building a country that is free of racism. It begins with each of us and a personal commitment to change. It means reaching out and understanding each other. And it means respecting our differences.

All of us should take the time to think about this problem and the steps we can take to see that it is eliminated. Working together, we can make a difference. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 7-13(3): Discrimination Elimination Of Racial

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Premier .

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Minister's Statement 8-13(3): Sportsmanship Award

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 15

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All of us can be proud of the effort Team Northwest Territories made at the recent Arctic Winter Games.

Alaska got the most medals, but our athletes got what I believe is the most important award: the Hodgson Trophy for fair play and sportsmanship. It's the second time the team has won the award since 1992.

We can be proud of our sports system in the Northwest Territories. Not only have we produced excellent competition results, our athletes consistently display tremendous respect for their opponents, the officials and the rules of the game.

Mr. Speaker, the important thing is how the game was played, not whether it was a win or a loss.

As a result, I also want to congratulate Alberta Premier Ralph Klein on making good on the bet we made about who would win the Hodgson Trophy in Eagle, Alaska.

To pay off the bet, Mr. Klein wore the Territorial team jacket during a media scrum in the Alberta Legislature yesterday. And his Minister of Sports and Recreation gave a statement in the Legislature acknowledging the presentation of the Hodgson Trophy to Team Northwest Territories. Mahsi cho. Thank you, Mr. Speaker

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Minister's Statement 8-13(3): Sportsmanship Award

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 9-13(3): Education Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 15

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, moving from school to workplace is a challenge for students right across Canada. Most occupations require a specific set of skills, and helping students move successfully from school to work benefits students and employers. It also helps this government reach its objective of strengthening the capacity of the northern workforce to meet the demands of the job market.

Education, Culture and Employment's strategic plan to 2010 identifies improving the link between school and work as a priority. To accomplish this, we must work with our partners. "Strengthening the Links Between Education and the Workplace" is the theme of Education Week, which is March 16th to 22nd this year.

There are a variety of projects and programs which the department, students, parents, business and other partners in education are working on this year which reflect this theme.

Mr. Speaker, as of this academic year, all students entering grade 10 must have a career and program plan in place. Every student and his or her parents, with guidance from school staff, will have developed the career plan the student will follow. This plan helps students select the senior secondary school courses they need to reach their career goals.

Other departmental initiatives designed to help students make the transition to the workplace include development of a strategy to integrate career education into curriculum from kindergarten to grade 12, and publication of an annual career development newspaper targeted to youth. I will be sending a copy of the newspaper to each Member of this Assembly for information.

Mr. Speaker, my department's six regional career centres have played an important role in helping students learn about the career options by organizing career and post-secondary fairs, and by providing support to school staff. Career centres also provide counselling, workshops, resources, assessment and employment support programs.

The new career and technology studies curriculum also plays an important role in helping students plan their careers and develop skills. The curriculum is extremely flexible, allowing students a good deal of choice in occupations they wish to learn about. These include communication technology, construction technologies, entrepreneurial skills, health sciences, renewable resources and the list goes on. Students learn the necessary theory and how to apply it in a work situation.

Mr. Speaker, partnerships with business and industry play an important role in career and technology studies. To ensure that the curriculum is relevant to the world of work, business, industry and post-secondary institutions have been invited to assist in the development, validation and implementation of career and technology studies. Students are expected to achieve at a level consistent with entry-level standards set by business, industry and post-secondary institutions.

The schools north apprenticeship program is another initiative designed to give students work experience. Students spend part of their time working in industry as registered apprentices and receive school credits under the career and technology studies curriculum. This year, six apprentices are participating in program pilots in four communities. They are working in the trades of carpentry, mechanics, hairstylists, partsperson and gasfitter. Education, Culture and Employment is developing promotional material to generate greater support and understanding of the program among students and employers.

Youth have further opportunities to learn about the workplace through the youth initiatives program, which funds organizations which help youth improve their workplace skills. In 1995-96, we have approved 28 proposals from across the NWT, for a total of $433,000. Some of the projects have focused on work experience in occupations such as welding, retail sales, theatre productions and recreational leadership training.

Projects offering career development through cultural experiences have ranged from on-the-land workshops for youth and elders to river rafting and outward bound-type experiences. One project helped youth with fetal alcohol syndrome -- or effect -- to make the school-to-work transition by coaching them and their now employers over an extended period.

The training-on-the-job program also helps young people gain skills for permanent employment by assisting employers to hire and train youth over a one to two-year period.

Mr. Speaker, to help students move successfully from school to the workplace, we have sent a list of potential Education Week activities to each school and board of education to encourage greater communication between schools, families and employers. I feet confident that strengthening these links will provide employers with a greater number of qualified employees and students with greater job opportunities. As Members of the Legislative Assembly, I look to your continued support for the development of a skilled northern workforce. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 9-13(3): Education Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 16

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Are there any further Ministers' statements? Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Unfair Costs For Senior Citizens In Private Accommodation

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 16

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During our last two-week break in our constituencies, I met with the subcommittee of the Hay River Seniors' Society on Tuesday, March 5th. The subject discussed is the apparent unfairness in the cost of accommodation between seniors living in public housing and seniors living in their own homes.

The conclusion of this committee is that a way should be found to equalize this disparity. This would require Hay River to propose an alternative outside of the existing housing policy rent scale administered by the NWT Housing Corporation. Rather than approaching a funding source to obtain money to hire a consultant, I suggested to the committee that the resources to make such a proposal to the Minister are probably available within the existing public service in the social envelope.

They would like the proposal to include, but not necessarily be limited, to some of the following components: comparisons between how much the government presently subsidizes seniors in public units versus how much subsidy and assistance is provided to seniors in their own homes using information which could be obtained from various seniors in the case of those in their own homes, and from

the housing authority in the case of seniors living in the housing units.

They would like to develop proposed maximum and minimum amounts that seniors could pay for accommodation based on their income; a proposed range of types and size of housing units which would be considered as a standard or adequate for singles or couples; identifying how much Hay River presently receives as a community in the area of support to seniors to assist in devising a more fair and even distribution of these resources.

A comparison between the proposed cost of assisting seniors to remain in their own homes versus the cost that the government currently pays for other levels of care for seniors in homes and hospitals. It was the feeling of the group that while free housing for all seniors may be warranted in the smaller, more remote communities, the policy in place at this time is too global. It does not take into account communities such as Hay River where the government could not possibly afford to house all seniors free of charge regardless of income, but the policy still benefits a few to the maximum and leaves many others with next to no support.

It is our hope that someone could be identified to assist with this proposal for the Hay River Seniors' Society and in question period, I will be asking the Minister of Housing to respond to that request. Thank you.

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Unfair Costs For Senior Citizens In Private Accommodation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Welcoming Carolyn Mccabe On Her Return To Work

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 16

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The operation of the Legislative Assembly requires coordinated efforts of everyone on staff and we all appreciate their efforts. I am especially pleased that one particular Member of the staff has returned to her duties after spending a short time in hospital. I know that all Members and the Assembly staff will join me in saying a special welcome back to Carolyn McCabe, who has been a part of this Assembly for many, many years. I am sure she realizes she had everyone worried and we are glad to see her recovering so well and wish her continued good health. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Welcoming Carolyn Mccabe On Her Return To Work

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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MLA Sharks Hockey Practice

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last night, I went to my first-ever practice with the now-famous MLA Sharks, the perennial cellar-dwellers in the annual competition with the media. The practice was a very inspiring one. Unfortunately, there were a few absences. The honourable Don "I Am In shape" Morin wasn't there, but we look forward to seeing him there on Friday. The honourable Ed "Hard Luck Bay" Picco was also absent.

--- Laughter

The honourable Levi "Eat My Dust" Barnabas was absent as well. However, the people who were there had a very high energy level and lots of enthusiasm. As for the skill level, let's just say we all tried really hard.

There was an example of intensity of play last night. The honourable Sam "Lumberjack" Gargan had a small collision with Kelvin "Pretty Boy" Ng.

--- Laughter

The result being, Kelvin bravely soldiered on for the rest of the practice with blood dripping down his chin, inspiring us to greater effort and maybe making him realize he should invest in a face mask.

Jim "Elbows" Antoine was there flying about as well, letting everyone know that he was there and ready to play. I can't forget my colleague Roy "Huff And Puff" Erasmus...

--- Laughter

... with his helmet from the 1960s...

--- Laughter

... dribbling foam down his face as he skated valiantly up and down the ice.

--- Laughter

The Member for Hay River , Jane Groenewegen , was there as well giving us all support, especially in the dressing room when she came to watch us all undress.

--- Laughter

Then there was the late David Krutko , our goalie, who showed up once the practice was over.

--- Laughter

I am just grateful that we have, as usual, a very strong staff to support us in our efforts and a coach like Mr. Hamilton. I am confident that tomorrow we will acquit ourselves well. Thank you.

---Applause

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MLA Sharks Hockey Practice

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Tendering Pol Contracts In Nunakput

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in small communities in the NWT, the price of petroleum products is a major concern. In most cases, the only supplier is the government POL contractor. Mr. Speaker, as the only supplier, the government is responsible to ensure that the lowest price possible is obtained from contractors who, in turn, will render a reliable service to communities and public.

This government has also stated it will, in the near future, privatize the POL facilities within the communities. Therefore, the public must be assured that the lowest price possible is obtained from perspective contractors.

Mr. Speaker, business people, the hamlet council and other members of the public in the hamlets of Tuktoyaktuk and Holman Island have requested this government publicly tender any present and future POL contracts to allow members of the business community opportunity to put forward bids to supply this essential service.

Mr. Speaker, I will be questioning the Minister of Public Works and Services on this matter at the appropriate time today. Thank you.

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Tendering Pol Contracts In Nunakput

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Need For Chiropractic Services

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Before I start my statement, I would like to say hi to my wife and kids back home...

--- Applause

... and also to the communities of Pangnirtung, Broughton Island and Clyde River.

Mr. Speaker, I rise today on behalf of a constituent who has been suffering with back problems and back pain for many years. He is now at the point where his back pain, which has worsened over the past two years, makes it very difficult for him to do his job with the local housing association. He is suffering from headaches which can't be relieved by medication, and generally feels worn out.

Mr. Speaker, my constituent has done everything he can to deal with the problem, but he has been to the local health centre many times. He has been doing exercises recommended by physiotherapists who have been in both Iqaluit and his own community. And he has seen doctors many times. The exercise and physicians unfortunately do not seem to have helped him with his problem at all.

After years of trying to get medical help, my constituent is now very anxious to find a solution to his back problem, which seems to be very slowly getting worse. He has done careful research into the problem and has asked many people for help. He is now convinced that the services of a chiropractor may well be what he needs. From talking with a person he knows who had almost identical symptoms to his, my constituent is convinced that a chiropractor will be able to help him.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Need For Chiropractic Services

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Baffin Central is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays, Mr. Enuaraq .

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Need For Chiropractic Services

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 18

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Having tried everything else, he at least wants to give this option a try.

He has recently asked the Baffin Regional Health Board, with my full support, if the board would help to see a chiropractor. Mr. Speaker, I understand that the Minister of Health , Honourable "Pretty Boy" Kelvin Ng ...

--- Laughter

... is reviewing whether these services could be provided as insured services under medicare. Mr. Speaker, I believe that chiropractors can often help people with back problems. I think many of us know people who have been helped by chiropractors. I believe that in some cases, they can save money in our health care system by eliminating the need for expensive specialists and even surgery.

Mr. Speaker, I know that some doctors may argue that chiropractors are not real health professionals. Some doctors also believe that traditional healing methods should not be recognized by our health care system. However, Mr. Speaker, I hope that our Minister of Health will be open to consider health care treatment which will be effective, which our people believe in, and which probably will cost less than expensive physicians and hospitals.

I am pleased that the Minister is willing to review this matter, and I look forward to the results. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Appreciation Of Members Attending Ceremonies At Fort Rae

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 18

James Rabesca

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, I would like to make a statement in appreciation of some of my colleagues who visited my community during the community feast that was held last Sunday. This occasion was held in honour of Chief Joe Rabesca's re-election as Grand Chief for the next three years, along with the other three members of the band council who have been elected along with him.

I certainly appreciate my colleague, Seamus Henry , having come on with such short notice, including Ed Picco who also came along. I hope that in the future most of my colleagues will be able to make it to one of the occasions we have, such as a feast and the possible opening of the new co-op store slated for the very near future. Hopefully, some of the Ministers will be able to come to my community to attend some of the functions that we might be participating in over the next three years while I am still in office. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Mr. Henry .

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Regulatory Burden Experienced By Small Business

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 18

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I find this an exceptionally bright day today. I would like to read a newspaper

article which my fellow Members may wish to consider for our government.

Despite years of effort, business has had only modest success in convincing government to reduce the regulatory burden.

It is a burden that is especially onerous on small businesses that don't have large administrative resources to cope with government regulations.

But even for major employers, regulatory compliance adds significantly to costs.

There was hope of an important breakthrough in cutting federal government regulation with the introduction of the Regulatory Efficiency Act, but it remains stalled in the House of Commons.

One of the most encouraging examples of what can and should be done to unwind the red tape strangling businesses is the action of the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador.

As noted in the Post's Special Report on Small Business, in February, in its 1992 budget, Newfoundland eliminated 171 fees for licences; from the $10 fee for a birth certification, to the $25 fee for renewing a waste management certification to a $15,000 fee for selling a high-volume of gasoline wholesale.

What should be carefully reported by all governments is that these changes cost Newfoundland $2 million in lost revenue, but it has saved $3 million in administrative and collection fees.

Newfoundland now plans to scrap up to 50 per cent of all existing regulations and paper burdens on small business.

So what we have here is the best of all possible worlds: The government saves money by reducing administrative costs, and will further benefit by collecting more tax revenue from businesses that are more profitable and new start-ups are encouraged."

I would like to suggest to the Premier that after he forms the Special Advisory Committee on the Economy, as he has talked about earlier in this House, this is exactly the type of recommendation that the committee will be making to him. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Impact Of Lay-offs And Salary Reductions On Small Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know that our government has financial problems and must cut its spending back. However, I wish to express my concern today that in the small isolated communities that I represent, lay-offs and drastic reductions in pay and benefits could cause serious problems in continuing to deliver vital government programs and could seriously affect the local economy. Let me use my home community of Arctic Bay as an example: Of 15 government workers in Arctic Bay, 11 are Inuit and the remainder are mostly committed long-term community residents.

Our power plant superintendent has done that job for 11 years and our head nurse has been in Arctic Bay for seven years. Mr. Speaker, the employees represent decades of dedicated experience and commitment to my constituents. If they are laid off, it would be very difficult to replace them. Furthermore, since jobs are quite scarce in Arctic Bay, the Inuit employees are each supporting large, extended families. If there are drastic cutbacks in wages and benefits, it would affect many more people than the individual employees. Also, local businesses are very much dependent on these people for their spending power.

These employees are committed to Arctic Bay. The money they earn stays in the community. If their wages and benefits are cut back drastically, they will no longer be able to support local businesses.

I am told that uncertainty about what will happen next is causing great anxiety. For example, one of my constituents was considering buying his government staff house but now he's hesitating because of uncertainty over his future as an employee. Mr. Speaker, I know that cuts will have to be made; however, I would recommend that the government and the Minister of Finance please take into account the special situations of the remote...

Sorry, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Barnabas .

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

... please take into account the special situations of the remote isolated communities where long-term and experienced government employees are providing critical services. They are relied upon by many people other than their own families and give critical support to local businesses. Cutting these vital positions to save money should be a last resort. It will only have a harmful effect on the delivery of the government programs. Secondly, I believe it is important that we work together to finalize the budget as soon as possible so that our employees know where they stand.

I believe that the job losses may not be as bad as my constituents fear but they don't know that now. Everyone is afraid that they will lose their job. Mr. Speaker, today I will be tabling petitions from the dedicated government employees in Nanisivik and Arctic Bay and a letter from a long-term employee from Arctic Bay. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Kitikmeot Regional Council

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 19

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to briefly speak about the Kitikmeot Regional Council. The Kitikmeot Regional Council consists of the mayors from Pelly Bay, Taloyoak, Gjoa Haven, Cambridge Bay, Coppermine, and Holman Island. The Kitikmeot Regional Council has been functional for many years and I hope it will remain that way for many years to come. The Kitikmeot Regional Council is a major voice for the communities in that region. The Kitikmeot Regional Council talks about the major issues reflecting the economy, health, social services, education, and many other things that relate to the well-being of the region and of the communities in that region.

Mr. Speaker, the Kitikmeot Regional Council is aware of the bad financial situation that this government is faced with and they are willing to work together with this government to make life easier for the people of that region as well as the other regions in the system within the given jurisdiction. Mr. Speaker, the Kitikmeot Regional Council has done a lot of research for the planning of that region. In the very near future, Mr. Speaker, the Kitikmeot Regional Council will be requesting a meeting with the Premier of this government and the other representatives of this government. Thank you.

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Kitikmeot Regional Council

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Gracious Hospitality Experienced When Visiting Rae

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon, colleagues. This past weekend the honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. James Rabesca , invited MLAs to his home community for a feast to celebrate the election of Mr. Joe Rabesca as chief. Mr. Speaker, the hospitality shown to myself and Mr. Seamus Henry , the MLA for Yellowknife South, on our visit to Rae was exceptional. The food was second to none and I thoroughly enjoyed the short tour of facilities by the mayor and Deputy Commissioner Dan Marion. Mr. Speaker, I also had an opportunity to meet elder Elizabeth Mackenzie and Chief Rabesca.

Mr. Speaker, these types of events give many of the MLAs a chance to visit and see different communities, East and West. I would like to thank the honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. James Rabesca , for the opportunity to visit Rae and partake of the feast. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--- Applause

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Gracious Hospitality Experienced When Visiting Rae

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 20

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize today in the visitors' gallery, three visitors from my constituency: the mayor of Kimmirut, Kowisa Arlooktoo; a councillor with the hamlet of Kimmirut, formerly Lake Harbour, Matthew Akavak; and a third-generation RCMP member, now stationed in Yellowknife but from Lake Harbour, Jimmy Akavak.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 20

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Picco .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 20

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I would like to welcome two of my NARB colleagues here today: Andrew Tagak, chairman of the Nunavut Arbitration Board, chairman of the NWT/NTI Baffin Appeal Board, manager of the Language Bureau, and a resident of Iqaluit; and, sitting next to him, well-known Yellowknife author and businessman, and as some Members have said, a little right of Attila the Hun, Mr. Dave McCann. Thank you.

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Page 20

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 20

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was going to recognize Mr. McCann, and he's the only one that I recognize up there. I was wondering if there would be some consideration given to a mirror just above your head so I could see who's up in the gallery the odd time. For anyone from Yellowknife South who's in the gallery, Mr. Speaker, I welcome them to the Assembly.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 111- 13(3): Departmental Assistance With Hay River Seniors' Housing Proposal

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 20

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation. In Hay River we have a seniors' society which consists of approximately 155 paid-up members. They endeavour to undertake various things including addressing issues of concern to senior citizens. They would like assistance in drafting and formulating a proposal to the Minister with respect to seniors' housing. I would like to ask the Minister if it would be possible to delegate someone within the social envelope or within his department to come to Hay River to meet with them and to assist them in developing this proposal, rather than seeking outside consultants. Thank you.

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Question 111- 13(3): Departmental Assistance With Hay River Seniors' Housing Proposal

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Housing , Mr. Ng .

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Question 111- 13(3): Departmental Assistance With Hay River Seniors' Housing Proposal

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 20

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, I would be willing to have the Housing Corporation personnel contact the seniors' society and arrange to have something in place for them. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 12-13(3): Request For GNWT To Meet With Kitikmeot Regional Council

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 20

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. As I indicated in my Members' statement earlier, the Kitikmeot Regional Council wants to be able to work together especially at this time when there is a need for people of the jurisdiction and the bodies to work together. The Kitikmeot Regional Council wants to work on mutual concerns together with the territorial government. They understand the bad financial situation that we are faced with. My question to the honourable Premier of this government: Is the honourable Premier aware of the request of the Kitikmeot Regional Council to meet with this government? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 20

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I'm well aware of that request. I believe the council will be in town next week. I believe I will be travelling with prior commitments so I will be unable to meet with them, but other Ministers of the government will meet with them. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 13-13(3): Enforcement Of Hiring Policies

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 20

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, I made a statement in reference to the Department of Personnel being amalgamated into other areas, and I had meant to ask a question but the honourable Member to my left, Mr. Henry , once again distracted me before I was able to ask my question. My question is to the Minister responsible for Personnel, What is being put into place to ensure that our hiring policies will be followed, particularly such policies as affirmative action and other hiring policies put into place to ensure that hiring is done fairly?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Personnel, Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Part of the strategic plan of rolling in the Personnel responsibilities to the departments is making not only deputy ministers responsible but also Ministers responsible for making sure that they meet their targets and they follow the hiring policies of this government. We have put that in the strategic plan of

dismantling Personnel so that we are assured that the affirmative action policy will be adhered to. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 13-13(3): Enforcement Of Hiring Policies

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Considering that there will no longer be a central agency, are prospective employees going to have to go to every different department to find out what types of jobs are available in the GNWT, or will there still be a central location where they can go to find out about positions that are available with the Government of the Northwest Territories?

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Question 13-13(3): Enforcement Of Hiring Policies

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Question 13-13(3): Enforcement Of Hiring Policies

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, there still will be a central place to find out what's available in all departments. This is the computer age and that's not difficult to carry on. For example, if someone was living in Tuktoyaktuk, they would be able to go to the hamlet council chambers, the manpower office or whatever, and they'll have a complete listing of government jobs. Thank you.

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Question 13-13(3): Enforcement Of Hiring Policies

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 13-13(3): Enforcement Of Hiring Policies

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 21

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What is being put into place for the students who are coming back this year? We know that every year there's a big commotion about affirmative action, and I think we have an obligation to ensure that all northern-born students receive a job in the summer to save a little bit of money for when they go back to school. So I would like to know what is being put into place to ensure that all northern-born students will receive preference on GNWT jobs this summer.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me assure the Member that all students who are attending educational institutions right now, all students who are born in the Northwest Territories will have first option on any student employment this summer. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the honourable Member for assuring me that they will get preference, but I would like to know how they will get preference and what is being put into place to ensure that they get preference. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Previously, in this government, we have had the Department of Personnel and different departments doing hiring and they were supposed to follow the policies of this government. The goal of this government, I believe, was 50 per cent affirmative action in the past. We are now at approximately 31 to 32 per cent. We have been staying there for many years. Whose fault is it? If you go to Personnel, it's not our fault, the department does the hiring. If you go to the department, it's not their fault because Personnel is involved.

Let me assure the Members of this Assembly, managers will be held accountable and Ministers of this government, including myself, will be held accountable through this Legislative Assembly. So individual departments will be accountable and they had better get the numbers up. When we give the directive of hiring northern-born students, it better be done or else they will be accountable. Let me assure you, if Members are managers of this government, they're hired at the pleasure of this government and when they displease, they suffer consequences. Thank you.

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Question 14-13(3): Tabling Report On Affirmative Action Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of FMBS. I was wondering if the Minister could tell this House when the final report on the affirmative action policy will be tabled in the Assembly so that we can see the recommendations and discuss what course of action we should be taking as an Assembly. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was discussing that very issue yesterday. We're optimistic that the report will be concluded some time in late April so that this report can be tabled in the House for discussion by my colleagues who are here today. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to follow up on Mr. Miltenberger 's question. I wonder if the Minister could advise us if he's receiving response from the stakeholders to the report. I understood that those were to be in at this time already, and if he is receiving good results on that.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think we all recognize that this is an issue where there has been significant debate over the years. We have provided an opportunity for stakeholder input. We're trying to incorporate that input into the report we present. That report, hopefully, will be ready late April or early May. It is my intention to bring that report to the House during the session in April or May. I hope the report will reflect a cross

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to encourage the Minister to bring that before the House, so that we have an opportunity to make some decisions on this before the summer, so that in April or May, we can conclude and advise how we feel about this. We have our summer students coming in and this was a big issue last summer.

Perhaps I could ask the Minister if he could assure us that it will be before the House in April or May.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a serious issue and we have to treat it with a serious debate. I think the Premier made it pretty clear in his response to Mr. Erasmus 's question earlier what his position is, which is also the position of this Cabinet; that is, to ensure that aboriginal students born in the Northwest Territories get the first chance at these jobs. I am trying very quickly to bring forward this review that has been undertaken, so that we can have a healthy debate in this House, and as Mr. Ootes has said very well, so we can come forward with some recommendations and suggestions for change.

That way, there will be a sense of fairness in the issue of northern recruitment in this government, whether it is in students or whether it is in permanent jobs. So it is our intention to do that and I look forward to a healthy debate on it, hopefully in May, so we can then put it into effect to meet the student employment program this summer. Also, we want to be able to deal with the everyday running of government and the recruitment and training of the people we all represent. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance . I was pleased to read in your document, wages and benefits, that you have noted this is the result of considerable speculation and concern among employees about where their jobs are at. I appreciate that. I suggest the wording is probably very light for individuals out there who have families, mortgages, and payments to make. I would suggest it is probably for them a lot more than just concern. When will these people -- we have identified that there are going to be 150 lay-offs -- be notified of their positions being terminated? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I totally agree with Mr. Henry . It is a time of concern and anxiety. We are trying to, in a clear and concise way, to reassure those people that we are trying to do this in a caring and compassionate way. My understanding is that we are interviewing people on an individual basis who, unfortunately, have been assigned to be laid off. That process is currently under way and is going to be concluded very shortly in the coming days. So some people have already been advised. People are being advised as we speak and others will be advised over the next three or four days.

I do recognize the concern that Mr. Henry has alluded to and we are trying to reassure people that this is going to be done in a caring and compassionate way.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 17-13(3): Implementation Of Inuit Training Plans For Nunavut

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have some very serious concerns with the elimination of the Personnel functions in the regions. I have said this in and out of committee. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Personnel. Can the Minister inform this House how the Inuit training plans for the new Nunavut government will be implemented without a coordinating Personnel presence in the Nunavut region as outlined in the NIC model that we seem to be going forward with for the new Nunavut territory? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At the present time, discussions are under way with the federal government. We have had a few meetings now with the Honourable Ron Irwin, Minister of Indian Affairs. At this time, we have had no commitment on the incremental costs, let alone training costs from the federal government. Until I see the dollar figures and commitment, I will wait and hopefully we will get as much accomplished in the period of time while we are waiting on those numbers, but we aren't going to proceed on anything until I see the dollars. I am not willing to put dollars forward to process, unless we can get something out of it. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is a very serious situation. I will have to address that in another question tomorrow. How will the appeals process, for example, through the CDA be handled if we don't have a regional Personnel presence?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If it is an appeals process relating to the union, we are delegating that responsibility out to the management. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North and I have very strong concerns with the implementation of affirmative action on possible nepotism occurring in the hiring process without a strong regional Personnel presence. Mr. Speaker, if there aren't going to be any more people in Personnel in the regions, then what is headquarters going to be doing? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It has been made quite clear to me by Members of this House that they already know that that is going on, even with a fully-funded Department of Personnel. When we have managers who are held accountable and Ministers held accountable, then hopefully that will stop. No one will be able to pass the buck. If that is happening in a department, that deputy will be held responsible. Hopefully by restructuring, that is what we will do and we have kept a total of five PYs, including the ADM, at this time in the Department of Personnel. They will be slowly phased out, once the departments are up and running on the hiring practices and training. Thank you.

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Question 18-13(3): Tendering Of Pol Contracts

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I indicated in my earlier statement, business people, the hamlet council and other members of the public in the hamlets of Tuktoyaktuk and Holman Island have requested this government to publicly tender any present and future POL contracts to allow all members of the business community opportunity to put forward bids to supply this essential service. I would like to address my question to the Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Minister of Public Works and Services . Would the Minister indicate to this House if his department would consider publicly tendering all immediate and future POL contracts?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, as the Member well knows, the petroleum products division of the NWT is set to be privatized in the coming months. I cannot make the commitment at this time, without looking into the issue further. There are, at present, tenders out for fuel delivery contracts. So without further research into this matter, I cannot answer the Member's question.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the hamlet of Tuktoyaktuk, I have been advised that the present situation of the POL contract is on a monthly basis. It has been extended on a monthly basis for a period of time now. This creates a great deal of uncertainty for the people to obtain a reliable service. I wonder if the Minister would consider informing the hamlet council of Tuktoyaktuk just when he intends to stabilize this situation?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I was not aware of this particular situation before this time, but I can commit to work with the Member and see how we can deal with this situation. We will look into the matter.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 19-13(3): GNWT Tendering Practices With Consultants

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank You, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . It is with regard to consultant contracts which have been released over the last few months and years. There seems to be a tendency to issue these contracts without going to public tender. They are given to individuals who are former employees of the department or individuals who presently have loans with the Government of the Northwest Territories through different programs. Is that the practice of this government?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Thank you. Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is not the practice of the government to go to sole-source contracts. It is the practice to call for a proposal. In some case, it is the practice to sole-source, if it is a speciality thing. However, that isn't the general practice. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If that is not the case, could the Minister give the House a list of all the contracts that have been released to individuals and names of those individuals so we could determine for ourselves if there has been patronage given to individuals for these contracts and which ones have been publicly tendered and which ones have been sole-sourced?

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.

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Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 20-13(3): Ontario Government Study On Chiropractic Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 24

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to address this question to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . This is the

preamble. I would like to quote from a transcript of a radio piece this morning on CBC: 'People who want to see a chiropractor have to pay for treatment out of their own pocket. Chiropractors say that prevents some people from seeking treatment. Health Minister Kelvin Ng has been asked by chiropractor David Zondag to start insuring chiropractic services. Ng said information has been sent to him showing money can be saved if more people see chiropractors.

Ng says he asked the department to study the issue, but he doubts if anything can be done soon." I would like to ask the Minister if he is aware of the study that was conducted by the Ontario government substantiating savings to the medical health care system through the use of chiropractors. Is he aware of that and has he read it? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am aware of the study. It was pointed out to me yesterday in discussions with the CBC reporter, but I am not aware of the contents of that study, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further, the

article states that " Health Minister Kelvin Ng says that he had asked the department to conduct a study." Would the Minister concur that the study conducted by another jurisdiction, at some considerable expense, may serve as valuable information and that conducting another study in a jurisdiction as small as ours may be costly and redundant? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

I would caution Members with regard to newspaper articles and whether or not a person could confirm or deny what is written in an article. I believe you did ask a proper question. I just want to caution Members when you make reference to newspaper articles. Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have asked the department to review the issue of chiropractic services and to assess the overall effectiveness of the services and in relation to the potential cost-savings, if we were to consider implementing chiropractic services as an insured service. Within the context of that review, I would say that the departmental staff would look at other studies that have been completed in other jurisdictions relating to chiropractic services, that they would speak to other jurisdictions to see how they treat chiropractic services within their jurisdictions, as well as any experience they have had along those lines, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister consider issuing a request for proposals for a licensed and accredited chiropractor to perform services on a pilot project basis as an itinerant practitioner travelling from region to region or health care facilities? From that, he could garner further information with respect to its effectiveness. Thank you.

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it would be something I would be willing to take a look at, but it would depend a lot on the costs of such a pilot project and whether or not there would be potential for cost-savings in undertaking it and the overall context of the effectiveness of the service. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 21-13(3): Percentage Of Lay-offs By Region

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Finance and it relates to the Minister's statement regarding lay-offs. Can the Minister advise this House as to the percentage of lay-offs per region by region? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I did say earlier in my statement, the effort made by the government and the direction we gave them was to look at these lay-offs in a fair and constructive way right across the Territories. My numbers indicate, at this time, that in Yellowknife there is roughly seven per cent -that is give or take -- in comparison to the total workforce. In the Fort Smith area, it is somewhere in the region of two per cent. The Inuvik region is three per cent.

The Baffin region, in terms of its percentage cut versus its overall employees is, again, three per cent although Iqaluit itself is four per cent. Keewatin region, which is dear to my heart, is four per cent and my home town is seven per cent. The Kitikmeot region is five per cent. In Mr. Ng 's riding of Cambridge Bay, it's nine per cent. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 22-13(3): Coordination In Regions Without Regional Directors

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for the Executive . Now that regional and area directors are going to become extinct as a species, I was wondering if the Minister could indicate to the House what arrangements have been made to provide an executive function in the regions so that there is coordination of government activity and that when people in the communities have questions, that they have one window that they can go to to have their concerns addressed and so that there isn't a fragmentation of service with departments going off every which way. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With the regional directors being part of the reductions of this government, a coordinated effort by this government is still needed to some extent in the regions. That will be addressed, hopefully, not only by the departmental and committee structure of this government being transferred to the region but, also, with the wind-down of the regional directors' role as well as the wind-down of regional councils, we will come up with a framework of how to address those issues the Member has just raised.

If a community has an issue -- where to take it to and who to address it to -- at this time, I can see through community empowerment that MACA would play the lead role at the regional level. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My supplementary to the Minister: Is it the anticipation that if MACA will be the lead department, then the superintendent of MACA in the region will be the lead superintendent with a coordinating function among other departments, as well?

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MACA will be in charge of the lead on community empowerment. We are scheduling meetings to develop the framework further with the social envelope committee. That is what will drive community empowerment and that's who will play, at this time, a coordinated effort at the regional level and the community level through elected councils at the community level. Everything here will be driven from the community up instead of the reverse. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. At this time, I would like to recognize in the gallery, Joe Ohokannoak, who is the chairman of the board of governors of the Nunavut Arctic College. Welcome to the Assembly.

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Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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