Debates of March 13th, 2013

This is page numbers 2581 – 2616 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was report .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk Highway

Income Assistance Actions

Report On The Northwest Territories Power Corporation

Financial Assistance For Students With Learning Disabilities

Organ Donation And Paddlers For Parts

Devolution Consultation

Dehcho Protected Areas

Highway Emergency Alerting Protocols

Chipsealing Highway No. 1 And No. 7

Gaps In The Treatment Of Alcohol And Drug Abuse

NWT Electoral Boundaries Commission Interim Report

July 2012 Search And Rescue Mission In Tulita

Return To Oral Question 197-17(4): Tlicho Winter Road To Fortune Minerals Site

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Financial Assistance For Students With Learning Disabilities

Barren Ground Caribou Herds

Devolution Consultation

Dehcho Protected Areas Strategy

Highway Emergency Alerting Protocols

Devolution Agreement And Human Resource Planning

Liquefied Natural Gas Agreement

Dehcho Protected Areas Strategy

Emergency Search And Rescue Protocols For Small Communities

Post-Devolution Organizational Structure

Committee Report 2-17(4): Report On The Review Of The Report Of The Chief Electoral Officer On The Administration Of The 2011 Election

Motion To Receive Committee Report 2-17(4) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole

Tabled Document 57-17(4): List Of Interactivity Transfers Exceeding $250,000 For The Period April 1, 2012, To December 31, 2012

Tabled Document 58-17(4): Emergency Preparedness Plan: A Community Plan For The People Of Tulita

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Funding For Legal Expenses

Funding For The Review Of The NWT Human Rights Act

Response Within 120 Days

Availability Of Voters Lists

Voter Identification

Depreciated Value For Campaign Signage

Improved Signage For Polling Stations

Election Year Advertising

Polling Day

List Of Electors

Revision Of Preliminary List Of Electors

Definition Of Broadcasting

Voting By Special Ballot

Special Voting Opportunities

Campaign Finance Provisions

Offences Under The Elections And Plebiscites Act

Tariff Of Fees Regulations

Registration Of Incarcerated Electors

Definition Of Sponsor

Campaign Material Guidelines

Mobile Polls

Qualification To Vouch For An Elector

Candidate Nomination Papers As Public Records

Enforcement Powers For Chief Electoral Officer

Deputy Minister To Grant Leave

Housekeeping Amendments

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:32 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Ramsay .

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Minister's Statement 50-17(4): Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk Highway

Ministers’ Statements

Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, I’m pleased to recognize that the Inuvik to Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project reached another milestone earlier this week when the Prime Minister confirmed that Canada will contribute $200 million to the construction.

Constructing the northernmost segment of the Mackenzie Valley Highway to Tuktoyaktuk requires a federal and territorial partnership strengthened by a common vision. Monday’s commitment confirms that Canada views the all-weather highway to the Arctic Coast as a vital component in our long-term plans to develop our economy. The commitment also highlights Canada’s confidence in the NWT as a significant contributor to the future economic prosperity and security of Northerners and all Canadians.

It’s important to note that Canada’s decision to increase funding to this nationally significant project comes at a time of continued fiscal restraint anticipated in the next federal budget.

Mr. Speaker, the issuance in January of the Environmental Impact Review Board’s Panel report was a significant step toward bringing together this important infrastructure venture. The panel’s report recommends the project move forward, subject to conditions. The GNWT has responded to the panel’s 51 recommendations in a submission to Canada seeking formal project approval. We anticipate a response from the federal Minister of the Environment shortly, with recommendations that reflect the GNWT’s role as a responsible government.

The Prime Minister’s confirmation of funding support provides another significant piece of the

tapestry we must create as we move forward with this construction project. The Department of Transportation plans to begin this project by upgrading the access road from Tuktoyaktuk to Gravel Source 177 and conducting additional geotechnical work. Much work also remains to obtain regulatory permits, finalize the highway design and determine an approach to procurement.

Constructing the first all-weather highway to the Arctic Ocean will produce substantial benefits at the national, regional and local levels. It is the foundation for economic development enabling natural resource exploration and while reinforcing Canadian sovereignty objectives. We fully anticipate receiving returns by way of regional development, training, jobs, and greater economic prosperity through more cost-effective access to communities and resource development opportunities in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 50-17(4): Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk Highway

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment .

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Minister's Statement 51-17(4): Income Assistance Actions

Ministers’ Statements

Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment

Mr. Speaker, our income security programs provide support for those residents over the age of 19 and their families. It covers basic food, shelter and clothing needs, child care benefits, heating subsidies, income support and student financial assistance. It also provides supports for disabled residents.

Mr. Speaker, we recognize that not one formula fits all needs. This is why our client service officers have a difficult job, one that few people can do. They do their best to meet the unique needs of their diverse clients, while at the same time adhering to the general guidelines and requirements set out by our acts and regulations in the Northwest Territories. No one client’s needs are the same as another’s, so these are all complex cases and our CSOs do a tremendous job given their often huge caseloads. Annually, we have approximately 3,300 unique income assistance cases in the NWT. With economic circumstances and opportunities varying in some communities, some of the client services

officers manage extremely high volumes of caseloads.

We know that the challenges faced by disabled residents and seniors are significantly different than those of other income assistance clients, and this has already been identified in the draft action plan the Department is developing in response to last week’s tabled report by the Auditor General. A streamlined application process will be implemented for both disabled residents and seniors, with a dedicated staff position to provide information and support for only those clients. This will ensure their unique challenges are met while balancing requirements to verify our processes to fulfill the recommendations of the Auditor General.

Mr. Speaker, this remains one of our challenges: to verify clients’ information per our requirements and guidelines, and serve our clients according to their needs. They are the people on the ground, who meet with clients daily and see the hardship of broken families, mental illness, disability, infirmity and hopelessness, and they deserve our collective respect.

That said, I have directed the department’s deputy minister to contact the client that Mr. Bromley spoke on behalf of yesterday, and senior staff will meet with her to discuss her challenges and work on a solution.

Mr. Speaker, as we go through the process of improving and identifying the gaps in our income security programs, our CSOs will continue to serve our clients with the best advice, support and commitment that they have provided so far, with the hope that with every case we review, we get closer to an effective and efficient program. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 51-17(4): Income Assistance Actions

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister's Statement 52-17(4): Report On The Northwest Territories Power Corporation

Ministers’ Statements

Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister Responsible for NWT Power Corporation

Mr. Speaker, I stand in the House today, to inform Members on the work the Northwest Territories Power Corporation is doing to provide a safe and reliable source of electricity at the lowest cost, while pursuing opportunities to increase the mix of clean, renewable energy sources.

NTPC has been working to control its costs in order to lessen the impact on electricity rates for Northwest Territories residents and businesses. A renewed sense of focus at NTPC has led to new levels of cost control and efficiency gains. The corporation has implemented a strategic plan that focuses on areas which matter most to customers:

service reliability, the price of electricity and meeting external commitments.

Mr. Speaker, results to date are encouraging, but there is still more work to do to ensure NTPC continues to provide best value to ratepayers.

The corporation remains at the forefront in supporting and implementing this government’s strategies to move the territory’s energy supply away from fossil fuels as much as possible and on to renewable energy sources that are both cleaner and less subject to price fluctuations.

In that regard, Mr. Speaker, NTPC, with funding from the Department of Environment and Natural Resources, recently expanded what was already the North’s largest solar energy project in Fort Simpson. The project added over 40 kilowatts to the existing 60 kilowatt generating capacity of the site.

All told the site is now able to convert sunlight into enough electricity to supply 17 houses in the community, at peak. The project will displace approximately 100,000 kilowatt hours of diesel generation and remove 76.5 tonnes of carbon dioxide from the air.

As part of upgrades to Colville Lake’s power system over the next two years, the corporation is investigating using smart grid technology that consists of a 50 kilowatt solar system and a battery arrangement which can supply the community’s full needs.

NTPC, in partnership with the Community Government of Gameti, recently completed a pilot project to convert the community’s thirty-one 100 watt high pressure sodium streetlights into 50 watt high efficiency LED streetlights. Information gained as part of that project will guide plans to roll out this greener technology across the territory. While NTPC will be assessing the performance of the new lights for some time, initial feedback has been very positive from residents who like the new lights.

There are areas within the NWT that offer significant potential to harness wind power to produce electricity. NT Energy has received $100,000 from ENR to conduct a pilot project in a community along the Arctic Coast and is in the process of confirming where the project will be located. Lessons learned from a previous wind project in Tuktoyaktuk will be applied to this new project.

Northerners care about the environment and many have already taken steps on their own to replace fossil fuel sources with greener energy solutions for generating electricity. We encourage those self-generation initiatives and want to ensure there are policies and processes in place that support that goal.

With that view in mind, NTPC is conducting a policy review to consider the option to replace net billing with a net metering program. Under net billing, a customer who qualified for the program received a credit on their bill for self-generated power put back into the grid. The rate paid is equal to the cost of the diesel displaced and other variable costs. Under net metering, that customer would receive the higher retail rate instead.

Doing away with the standby charge that currently applies to customers who generate more than five kilowatts of solar or wind power and feed power back into the grid is another incentive we will undertake.

Mr. Speaker, this government recognizes the need to quickly press forward with other initiatives that will support that goal of reducing costs and reliance on diesel. Nowhere is that more critically important than in Inuvik. NTPC has signed agreements to secure a supply of liquefied natural gas that will address the community’s power requirements in the short term, while leaving the door open for local suppliers to develop solutions for the longer term.

The corporation is working toward an initial goal of having a partial supply of liquid natural gas in place as early as this fall and ramping up its supply of that less costly fuel next year as additional LNG sources are scheduled to come on-line.

Such a positive development will also mean that NTPC will avoid approximately $2 million in capital costs to convert its gas engines to diesel in response to the town’s decreasing gas supply and displace a significant amount of diesel it would have otherwise burned.

Furthermore, success in securing a supply of LNG for Inuvik’s short-term requirements could also prove to be a viable option to replace diesel and reduce power costs in other thermal communities across the territory. NTPC is actively pursuing that option.

LNG can also be used as a heating fuel. With that option in mind, NTPC is working with the Town of Inuvik and the Inuvik Joint Venture to see if it is feasible to use LNG for this purpose in that community.

Mr. Speaker, one of the inherent weaknesses in our power system is that, unlike southern Canada, it is an isolated system without an integrated transmission grid. As a result, our ability to fully exploit our existing and future hydro potential and other economies of scale is limited. In that regard, NTPC is actively pursuing opportunities to expand transmission capabilities within the NWT that would stabilize rates and foster economic development.

What we envision is a transmission grid along the west side of Great Slave Lake that would connect the Taltson hydro system in the South Slave to the Snare system in the North Slave region. The grid

would also extend northeast from Yellowknife, promoting economic development by providing a means for existing and future mines in that area to connect to hydro. We also envision being able to connect the grid to communities such as Kakisa, Fort Providence and Whati.

Such a grid would change our power system and become an instrument for economic development by stabilizing rates, increasing reliability and extending cleaner hydro supply to more and new areas.

At the same time, NTPC is attending to matters at hand that affect our existing power system. Mr. Speaker, the corporation is making measureable progress to implement a comprehensive reliability improvement plan for its Snare hydro system that provides power for Yellowknife, Detah and Behchoko. The initiatives the corporation has put in place seem to be having the desired effect, judging by the number of outages in recent months.

However, as much as the signs are promising to this point, it is too soon to declare success. I will continue to monitor this issue to ensure that the corporation meets its commitment to reduce outages on that system by 70 percent over three years.

NTPC must also overcome other important challenges. It, like many northern organizations, continues to face a critical demand for skilled labour. To meet that challenge, the corporation has developed and implemented a strategy to refocus recruitment and retention efforts on northern hires through initiatives such as a scholarship program, apprenticeship program, a careers website and increased presence at career fairs. These efforts are showing results, but it is a challenge competing with growth regions such as Alberta and Saskatchewan.

Two of four apprenticeships available in 2012-13 have already been filled and four more apprenticeships will be available in 2013-14. NTPC remains committed to the apprenticeship program, and will seek two more apprentices in 2014-15 and ongoing.

Mr. Speaker, NTPC has much work ahead in the years to come to ensure that Northerners receive an environmentally friendly, secure and reliable source of electricity at the lowest cost possible. It is worth noting that this year the corporation has been serving Northerners for 25 years. In 1988 the GNWT acquired the Northern Canada Power Commission from the federal government and established it as a territorial Crown corporation. Coincidentally, this year also marks 65 years since the original Northwest Territories Power Commission was set up.

Mr. Speaker, I look forward to continuing to update this House on the progress and the contribution that NTPC is making to the energy future of this territory. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 52-17(4): Report On The Northwest Territories Power Corporation

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Financial Assistance For Students With Learning Disabilities

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Education is in the process of improving student financial assistance. That is a good thing. I have not heard anything about improving support for students with disabilities. These students, especially those with learning disabilities, cannot compete with high school graduates to get into many colleges or universities. Students with disabilities often have to attend specialized schools that are oriented toward developing their specific gift, art, carving, writing, whatever it may be. Tuition fees are usually higher than they would be at other schools.

Private schools are another option. Classes are smaller and students can get one-on-one attention, but that comes at a price that they often cannot afford.

Maybe we ignore the situation that adults with learning disabilities often face. Most, if not all, live on income support and have no way to earn and save the money they need to even attempt going to a school after high school. The luckiest ones have families that support them, but even so, adult students with disabilities face challenges most of us can’t even imagine. For most, a part-time job to help get through school is just a dream.

Our Student Financial Assistance Program does include a disability grant. It is ironic that despite our system being more generous than most for all students, other jurisdictions offer more flexible support for students with disabilities. A typical student with a disability would look at the funding options here and quickly realize that schooling down south is out of reach. Instead some stay here and rely on income support that probably costs this government $25,000 a year.

Instead we should increase student financial assistance for students with permanent disabilities. In the past three years, SFA has funded four, five, and eight of these students per year. I wonder how many do not bother applying. This issue was raised to our constituency office through Lillian Crook, who is an avid and tireless activist on behalf of persons with disabilities. I believe it is a real concern and that we do fail our young people who have disabilities by not providing more incentive for them to achieve whatever potential they can through additional education.

I believe that when ECE is looking at student financial assistance, this is an area that needs to be

looked at separately from SFA in general and it needs to be stepped up. I think the long term will prove that the more that we invest in these young people, the less they will rely on us in the future.

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Financial Assistance For Students With Learning Disabilities

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Organ Donation And Paddlers For Parts

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Greg Loftus of Yellowknife has been interested in organ donation programs for decades. For over 30 years he’s been signed up as an organ donor and had a double kidney transplant in 1997.

Mr. Loftus became instrumental in starting up Paddlers for Parts and is still active in its operation. Paddlers for Parts is an NWT non-profit organization established in Yellowknife in 2001. Its mission is the promotion of organ and tissue donation and support of the Kidney Foundation of Canada by promoting kayaking and canoeing as healthy lifestyle choices. Through its fundraising events and in conjunction with Northern Alberta and Territories Kidney Foundation of Canada, it provides educational financial assistance to persons with kidney problems through its Assisted Paddlers Bursary Fund.

Mr. Loftus also started a petition with the objective of asking northern residents to help establish an NWT organ donor registry. The fruits of his labour were tabled, with just under 500 signatures, last week in our NWT Legislative Assembly.

World Kidney Day is tomorrow, March 14th . While

we want to thank the continued community awareness and work of Mr. Loftus, we are reminded that our lack of a formalized organ donor registry in the NWT is truly hampering our ability to help those who desperately need organ transplants.

Once again, we need to make sure that all Northerners have the ability to participate in organ and tissue donation, and we need to develop a long-term plan to improve NWT participation in the donation process. We ask once again that residents of the NWT talk to their MLAs about using space on our NWT health care cards or drivers’ licences to allow for and facilitate organ donation. Through everyone’s commitment, and with the help of difference makers like Mr. Loftus, collectively, we can create the much needed organ donor registry for the Northwest Territories and our residents.

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Organ Donation And Paddlers For Parts

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Devolution Consultation

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to carry on today from my Member’s statement of yesterday and further discuss the Devolution Final Agreement and the upcoming engagement process.

Constituents have expressed their concerns to me about the lack of information and the lack of opportunity to discuss how the Devolution Agreement will be implemented. In a post-devolution NWT, after federal employees and jobs have been transferred to the GNWT, what guarantees do we have that services will remain as they are today? What have we heard from the NWT government to date to reassure residents that a post-devolution GNWT will carry on with all the activities currently done on our behalf by federal government staff?

What have we heard to give us comfort that the standards of service and programs that we take over will be maintained at the same level as they are now, as delivered by Canada, when they are delivered by the GNWT?

All of these questions should be part of the public engagement process that was outlined by the Premier yesterday during oral questions. Not only do our residents need to understand the Devolution Final Agreement, but they need and want to understand how things will work in a post-devolution NWT. How the agreement will be implemented must be discussed with the general public, and the general public must have an opportunity for input.

The Premier ’s been immersed in getting to devolution for years, but now is the time to lift up our heads and take a good, objective look around, to take stock of where we are, take stock of what people know and want to know, and to provide opportunities for residents to speak and be heard.

I’ll have questions for the Premier at a later time.

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Devolution Consultation

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Dehcho Protected Areas

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Translation] Here in Denendeh and since the treaty for Dene lands, we are living our traditional way of hunting and trapping, and also there are Metis and Inuit, and it’s to the point where they are governing their own lands. [Translation ends]

…has not yet signed their land claims agreement but has reached a number of interim arrangements. There are six candidate protected areas in the Dehcho in various stages of the Protected Areas Strategy process. The land is protected under a land withdrawal interim measures agreement that expires this year. The Government of the NWT has agreed to sponsor protected areas in the Deh Cho but has stepped back from the process.

The federal government has allocated funds for this year that will lapse if we do not move ahead as planned with candidate sites under the Protected Areas Strategy. Over the long term, we are concerned that if areas are not protected, funding will be withdrawn completely.

In 1977 Justice Thomas Berger completed a year and a half of hearings on the Mackenzie Gas Project. Justice Berger recommended that land claim agreements be settled and measures taken to protect the environment before such development took place. He felt strongly that development decisions belonged to the people. The Dehcho First Nations is fiercely determined to protect their land and become the responsible owners of its resources. The settlement of land claims, and successful land use plans and protected areas rely on the engagement of all parties.

[Translation] In order to subsist in their traditional way, they need land to live by the traditional ways of living, and along with that comes the language. This is how the Dene lived in the bush. If there’s going to be progress, they are going to have to have the environmental process in place. We have to keep in mind of the protected lands that has been arranged with the Dene people and… [Translation ends]

…is available. We must move ahead on this important initiative. Through the cooperation of all parties, we must reach an agreement on comprehensive land use planning. My people insist that the Government of the Northwest Territories re-engage in this important process. Land use planning in the establishment of protected areas in the region is the opportunity to map our future. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Dehcho Protected Areas

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . Member for Yellowknife, Centre, Mr. Hawkins .

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Highway Emergency Alerting Protocols

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said yesterday, in 2003 there was a fatal accident in the Chan Lake area. What that did was it caused the government to review some of its policies. In 2003 they came forward with a response which further developed in recommendations in 2004 and, of course, a follow-up report on ground ambulance services in 2006.

MACA does do policy development and certainly protocols call upon a measure called Highway Emergency Alerting Protocols.

I will be asking the Minister of MACA questions later today. Thank you.

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Highway Emergency Alerting Protocols

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Chipsealing Highway No. 1 And No. 7

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Firstly, I just wanted to say a big congratulation to the Catholics of this world and their new pope. However, locally my constituents continue to await the symbolic puff of white smoke which will signal new investment into Highway No. 7 and my highways.

Seriously, though, if we imagine NWT highways as a videogame, what would the Department of Transportation be in relation to all the other players? Would it be with the leaders out ahead of the pack or would it be like a car that constantly gets out-maneuvered, stuck in the mud and ruts, and shoved off the road?

One of my goals as MLA has been to get Highways No. 1 and 7 to the next level. To do that, we need good chipsealing. Highway No. 1 and 7 are good investments. They are well established transportation corridors connecting communities and connecting people with opportunities.

The Nahendeh riding has a lot to offer, and encourages more exchange throughout my communities, the capital and other communities in the NWT. Why can’t Fort Simpson host tournaments, championships and other events like Fort Smith or Hay River do? We are encouraging industries to invest in the North more than ever before, but to keep pace with this, the game, we need good highways.

Chipsealing work is needed on several major sections of the highway from the junctions of Highways No. 1 and 3 near Fort Providence towards Fort Simpson, from Fort Simpson towards Jean Marie River, and from the BC border to Fort Liard.

My constituents look forward to the work planned for this summer. I urge, once again to the Minister, to direct an early project start date and avoid the freezing conditions in the fall when the quality of that work suffers.

As technology advances, there are better paving options and road building techniques. Like players in a road race game, we need to be out ahead of the pack, skillfully maneuvering through challenging terrain and weather conditions. We can win by making improvements in our road system, encouraging development to taking our communities to the next level. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Chipsealing Highway No. 1 And No. 7

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Gaps In The Treatment Of Alcohol And Drug Abuse

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further to some of my written questions that I received from the Minister of Health and Social Services on people that are leaving the hospital after being taken there for self-harming as well as being intoxicated, or under some type of substance issue and concern, I have been doing a lot of research and a lot of efforts in communicating with the Canadian Centre on Substance Abuse that’s based out of Ottawa and finding what’s the best research that we can have up in the Northwest Territories and in the North with our unique situation with all the isolated communities, and they gave me a lot of really good information.

I just want to let them know that I appreciate the hard work, and the efforts and the support that they’ve given me in this battle and all the stuff that they showed us and I’ve been bringing to the table, got me to look at the Mental Health Act, start asking questions, written questions. It is a big issue here, especially the detoxification.

With the discussions that I had with the staff at the CCSA, they mentioned that detoxification is a fundamental component of any treatment continuum. In fact, it’s actually recommended that detox before treatment, and the reason you go through detox and the reason I fought so hard to get the beds, was during detoxification you can evaluate the person, you can look at the person’s unique health needs and life situations and look at their culture to see what kind of cultural needs they’ll have. Then you can look at the community resources and do the best plan of action for the treatment that they might need.

I also talked about whether or not RCMP were trained in terms of the Mental Health Act, detoxification, all these questions and a lot of gaps that we have in our system, both, I believe, in the Department of Justice and the Department of

Health and Social Services. Speaking with some RCMP officers over the last week, some of them did say that there is not a big training component on the Mental Health Act and that they would like to know what provisions they could fall under to make sure that they give these people the right support. The partnerships that they have with the hospitals is that they take the patient to the hospital and once the patient gets any kind of treatment, then they go back in the cells. There’s no nursing care and no follow-up during that time. A lot of gaps and I will continue to follow up. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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NWT Electoral Boundaries Commission Interim Report

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Electoral Boundaries Commission wraps up its public hearings tonight with a meeting at the Chief Drygeese Centre in Detah. Because of the importance of this work and to the health of our democracy, I’ll speak on this topic again this session.

Commission guidelines say that “in keeping with the Canadian Constitution on the notion of effective representation, the commission shall make recommendations to achieve relative parody between electoral districts while balancing community of interest considerations.” The discussion paper lists “one major factor” that “no electoral district should be over or underrepresented by more than 25 percent from the average population.”

The commission indicates that in my riding in Weledeh, there are four times as many citizens as in the least populous riding. The commission’s paper explains that ridings with populations above the mean for all are underrepresented. By this standard, Weledeh citizens are underrepresented big time at 42 percent above the average. So while 2,200 Weledeh voters get one Member, only 800 voters in another riding get the same representation.

Why is this important? The commission explains the needs for approximate equality of riding populations, saying parody is needed to “ensure that everyone has a relatively equal say in our government.” What about citizens of Yellowknife ridings? Do they think it’s important? Does it matter to them that when it comes to votes on substantial matters and large amounts of taxpayer dollars, their Member’s vote is only a quarter as powerful? When it comes to constituency work, does it matter that their Member has up to four times as many people who maybe need his help? People are saying the last time around it took Friends of Democracy going to a court to achieve parody and wondering will it

take this again. That’s what the commission’s work is all about; to find out whether citizens from across the territory think the distribution of electoral seats provides a fair and approximately equal voice in the proceedings of this Assembly. The commission is faced with a very difficult task to recommend a distribution for the public government established to represent all citizens equally.

The commission needs clear direction from you, the public. Now I urge all citizens to attend the session in Detah tonight or to go to the website and submit their views on-line by this coming March 28th .

Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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July 2012 Search And Rescue Mission In Tulita

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A terrible tragedy affected Tulita this past summer. As many may be aware, this past June a young woman named Nicole Horassi went missing. Nicole’s remains were discovered by a search and rescue volunteer the following month. On Friday, July 13th , Nicole’s body was found floating in the

Mackenzie River.

Nicole’s death was heartbreaking for everyone that knew her. Nicole was a beautiful, bright young woman that died far too young. Nicole’s passing showed us that tragedy can, and does, strike at any moment. In many instances it happens suddenly, without any warning.

I’m extremely proud of the Tulita response to the tragedy. The search and rescue team was formed entirely of volunteers from the community and from the other Sahtu communities. People donated their time, money and labour to help search efforts. Volunteers searched the Mackenzie and Great Bear rivers and scoured the land. Tulita residents opened up their homes to outsiders that came there to help them. Oil companies donated to help with the gas. Private and other organizations helped with the money and the food, and almost every community in the North came with donations and support. It was unbelievable the support we received.

People throughout the Sahtu arrived in Tulita to help with the search efforts. We even had volunteers from Ontario and as far away as America. These volunteers did a wonderful job and I would like to take the opportunity to thank them. Thank you for your hard work and dedication. Thank you for bringing Nicole back to her family. Thank you to the Yellowknife family and the mining company that loaned us these couples from America.

The volunteer search and rescue mission did perform well; however, we cannot wait until another crisis occurs before acting. We must remain vigilant and prepared. The only way to ensure the Sahtu responds swiftly and correctly to future emergencies is to have some funding available to us. The goal is to keep our communities protected and, most of all, safe.

The people and families in Tulita thank the people in the Northwest Territories from the bottom of their hearts. They couldn’t believe the support that was out there. To everybody in the Northwest Territories, on behalf of Tulita, thank you very much.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 4, returns to oral questions.

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Return To Oral Question 197-17(4): Tlicho Winter Road To Fortune Minerals Site

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Hawkins on Wednesday, March 6, 2013, regarding the Tlicho winter road to the Fortune Minerals site.

The Department of Transportation is working with the Tlicho Government to develop a project description report for the realignment of the public winter road to an overland winter route between Behchoko, Whati and Gameti An MOU between DOT and the Tlicho Government, signed in fall 2011, re-established a steering committee to guide the development of a project description report (PDR) for the winter road realignment. PDR work includes terrain, flora and fauna, archaeological and socio-economic baseline data collection, consultation and the development of environmental mitigation options.

The working group, comprised of officials from DOT and the Tlicho Government, have met regularly since December 2011. The working group expects to complete the PDR in fall of 2013. Traditional knowledge, socio-economic and consultation aspects of the PDR will be managed by the Tlicho while environmental baseline and engineering aspects will be managed by DOT. Field engineering, environment and traditional knowledge data collection is underway. Significant progress has been made in the development of the PDR specifically with respect to a new alignment, borrow sites, and in establishing a timeline for future work.

The department is currently only studying the realignment of the winter road, not an all-weather road as would be required by Fortune Minerals for its NICO Project.

The department has a capital budget in place to complete the project description report and

associated planning studies to move the project toward environmental approval.

The department does not have any capital funding to proceed with the realignment work. It is expected that construction of a realignment winter road from Behchoko, Whati and Gameti would cost approximately $30 million.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Abernethy .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to take this opportunity to recognize a couple of Pages from the Great Slave riding and thank them and all the other Pages for all the hard work that they’ve done for us over the last couple of weeks. I’d like to recognize Muhammad Awan and Linda Charlie from the Great Slave riding.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize a Weledeh resident, Mr. Steve Matthews. He’s a long-term resident, spent his whole career with GNWT and is semi-retired now, I believe. Also with him is Mr. John Lee, a renowned bear biologist many of you may know. Both long-term residents with their families of Yellowknife.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . I’d like to welcome the visitors here in the public gallery today. Thank you for taking an interest in our proceedings.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 233-17(4): Financial Assistance For Students With Learning Disabilities

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In follow-up to my Member’s statement, my questions today are for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . I’d like to ask the Minister if he is aware of how our student financial assistance for students with disabilities compares to what is offered as support to students with disabilities in other jurisdictions in Canada.

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Question 233-17(4): Financial Assistance For Students With Learning Disabilities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 233-17(4): Financial Assistance For Students With Learning Disabilities

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. With respect to subsidizing students in the Northwest Territories, we do have one of the attractive benefits packages compared to other

jurisdictions. However, we have done our research, as well, on what other jurisdictions offer with respect to disabilities area. We have come out with various options within our department. We also heard, through the review of SFA, how we should be addressing or increasing our funding towards disability. We have done that through this budget planning process, where disability grant amounts from $8,000 to $10,000 per academic year. That’s just a start. I’m sure there will be others. There are all these different recommendations that were brought to our attention. We will definitely follow through with those.

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Question 233-17(4): Financial Assistance For Students With Learning Disabilities

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

So just to be clear for people who will be listening to this, when will the improved, enhanced student financial assistance for students with disabilities go into effect? When can people become eligible for that?

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Question 233-17(4): Financial Assistance For Students With Learning Disabilities

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment

The Member is referring to the increase that should be taking effect, because we just went through the budget process, April 1st . That’s the information that I have,

from $8,000 to $10,000.

Again, we are doing more groundwork with respect to other jurisdictions, what kind of programs they offer. If it’s better or even more than what we offer, then seriously we’ll take those into consideration, as well, and make some changes to our programming as we move forward.

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Question 233-17(4): Financial Assistance For Students With Learning Disabilities

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

In my Member’s statement I referred to student financial assistance for students with disabilities seeking post-secondary education and I kind of inadvertently referred to it as being outside of the territory because that seems like where there are specialized programs for students with disabilities.

I’d like to ask the Minister, in his role as being responsible for Aurora College, has the college ever had in place, or ever contemplated putting in place, specialized programming that would allow students with disabilities, who are Northerners, stay here to take post-secondary education in various fields?

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Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment

I’d just like to thank the Member for asking that particular question. We want to support our students here in the Northwest Territories to stay in the territory at the Aurora College campus. We have three campuses and we need to support those students. With the information the Member is asking for, I don’t have the specific history of it, but I can provide that information.

Part of my ongoing discussion with the president and chair is to raise the profile with them. If there hasn’t been any programming in that area, why not, and how can we move forward on this? I assure the Member that I will be addressing this with the college.

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Question 233-17(4): Financial Assistance For Students With Learning Disabilities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 233-17(4): Financial Assistance For Students With Learning Disabilities

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to ask the Minister if part of their consideration of what the college offers now, and what they could offer, would include, perhaps, travelling to or getting into communication with other post-secondary institutions that we do know already offer specialized programming for students with special needs.

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Question 233-17(4): Financial Assistance For Students With Learning Disabilities

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment

My understanding is that there are certain programming for disability cross-functioning with various institutions. I need to get the latest update from the college and provide that to the Members, then we can discuss further how we can improve those programs or make additions.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 234-17(4): Barren Ground Caribou Herds

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in the House today in response to what was tabled earlier this week by the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources entitled Management Actions for Barren Ground Caribou Herds. Immediately I was pleased to hear that we have some herds that are doing quite well, such as the Beverly and Ahiak herds as well as the Bluenose-East herd. Although what was presented as merely a proposal on the potential limited resident harvest of these herds, we were left yet again with many questions unanswered for consideration.

The Minister mentions that we have caribou calving ground surveys, population surveys and recruitment surveys that are ongoing in the co-management and management of the species. Can the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources indicate to this House the differences between the surveys mentioned in that briefing?

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Question 234-17(4): Barren Ground Caribou Herds

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 234-17(4): Barren Ground Caribou Herds

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Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Environment and Natural Resources

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We’ve committed a significant amount of money to continue to do baseline work on an ongoing basis on the various herds. There are the major surveys, then there’s the intermediate work that’s done to check the health of the herd. We’ve done that over the summer, as I indicated, over last year and concluding some this year that I laid out in my Member’s statement yesterday. They’ve given us some comfort – more than comfort – some certainty about the herd numbers, to the point where we’re looking at going back to the co-management boards and the consultation

processes that are required to look at the current restrictions that are in place.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

I do appreciate the Minister’s reply. I think the general population is quite confused. There are too many surveys out there. I think it would probably be well advised if the Minister of the department could be a bit more clear on what these surveys, or the outcome of these surveys, are going to be trying to achieve.

Another question I do have for the Minister of ENR : What is the formal format to allow resident hunters and commercial outfitters to have a meaningful input in all these upcoming management board discussions in the caribou management or, in this case what we’re hearing, limited harvest?

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Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Environment and Natural Resources

The intent of the various surveys, or the main intent, is to ascertain as close as possible what the herd numbers may be. At the same time as herd numbers, the herd health, cow-calf ratio, those types of things, all towards an eye of making sure we have sustainable herds that are healthy.

Those numbers have told us up until recently, for example, the Bathurst herd has suffered a precipitous decline and stabilized not up but down significantly. It hasn’t really increased from where it bottomed out about three years ago. We know the Ahiak-Beverly herd, the numbers look quite strong and the Bluenose-East as well.

The work is underway. We will be consulting with the various boards, all of which are public boards, as well in the east, with the Beverly and Qaminirjuaq, with the Government of Nunavut. As well as where there are no settled claims, we’ll be involving and consulting with the Yellowknives and Northwest Territories Metis.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

I’m hearing some great things, but my question was, do resident hunters or do outfitters have a seat at the table in these so-called public settings. I believe there’s opportunity there in consultation. It will take months and potentially another year to get the proper responses from community consultations regarding resident and commercial harvest allocations.

Can the Minister indicate why temporary tag allocation is not on the table now, especially with all the promising herd numbers discussed in this House?

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Question 234-17(4): Barren Ground Caribou Herds

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Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Environment and Natural Resources

As Minister I have the authority to act on conservation issues, on emergency issues. Other than that, I am bound and obligated and intend and have to follow the work that’s done through the process involving the various boards, the work that they do that are public boards. They make recommendations and we’re involved in those with our staff as well, but the recommendations come back up through the system. It’s a system that has served us well. We

need to make sure that we continue to use that system. We’re going to do that.

These discussions take time. These are very complex areas. They are multi-jurisdictional. Not only multi-jurisdictional within the Northwest Territories but in the case of the Beverly-Qamanirjuaq herd, it flows into, as well, Nunavut. We have a lot of jurisdictions to deal with and a process that we have to follow. We want to make sure we do that. They do very good work and they will do that again in this case, and we are looking by the fall of this coming year, 2013, to be able to sort out what changes will be made to the existing restrictions.

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Question 234-17(4): Barren Ground Caribou Herds

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Dolynny .

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We just can assume or will assume that the Minister has had some meaningful consultations with a number of our caribou commercial outfitters here in the NWT. These outfitters have been waiting for years to get back to their livings and livelihood in the industry.

In his discussions, as we hope, has there been an indication as to the number of tags that these outfitters would require to get back into the game?

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Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Environment and Natural Resources

What the outfitters used prior to the hunting ban was in the neighbourhood of a total of 700 tags, many of which weren’t used annually.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 235-17(4): Devolution Consultation

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I mentioned earlier, my questions today are for the Premier . I’d like to ask a few questions relating to my statement earlier today.

We heard yesterday, we have heard earlier this week, that we are embarking on a consultation and an engagement process. The Premier , yesterday, in answer to my questions, laid out next steps, but in those next steps I didn’t hear any indication of the provision of information on how the Devolution Final Agreement will be implemented.

I’d like to know from the Premier if he can advise whether or not the public engagement process, whether there’s an intent to educate residents about implementation of the Devolution Final Agreement or is it simply to advise people of the content of the Devolution Final Agreement.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 235-17(4): Devolution Consultation

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, to both parts.

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Question 235-17(4): Devolution Consultation

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you to the Premier . I’ve very glad to hear that we will be talking about implementation. I hope that’s a very large focus of the public engagement process.

With regard to implementation, our government has already done a great deal of work. They’ve been working on implementation for probably a year or more. I’d like to know, to date, what steps the government has taken to inform the public, to advise the public of what this new GNWT will look like after April 1st .

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Question 235-17(4): Devolution Consultation

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

We put a significant amount of information on the website, and as we go forward with organization design, we will also provide that on the website. We will also provide for that as we go around to all of the communities in the Northwest Territories.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you to the Premier . It’s one thing to put information on a website and expect that people will go there. I haven’t seen much that advertises that website, so I would hope that there’s going to be significantly more effort put in to trying to get that information out there.

One of the things that I have heard as a concern, and this is from a news

article recently, it stated there are concerns that the environment and the preservation of the land will take a backseat to the exploitation of energy and minerals. This is referencing after April 1, 2014, when we have control.

When we do have control of our lands, water and resources, will the GNWT maintain the same level of environmental monitoring and assessment that we have today?

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

It seems like just yesterday that some of the Members from across the way were quoting from the Commissioner of the Environment, who was complaining about the fact that the federal government was only doing 20 percent of the required land inspections. I’m sure we can do better than that, but if the Member wants us to maintain that level, we can do that too.

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Question 235-17(4): Devolution Consultation

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 235-17(4): Devolution Consultation

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Through you to the Premier , I absolutely don’t want us to do worse than what we think we might do, but I have heard nothing which says that we’re going to do better than what we have already from the feds.

The Premier mentions that there’s a lot of work been done. I wonder if the Premier could give us some idea of how our new government will be structured after April 1, 2014.

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

I don’t want to get ahead of committee, and I’ve committed to committee that we will bring the organizational design, and once

we’ve had input from committee, I’ll be pleased to make it available to the public.

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Question 235-17(4): Devolution Consultation

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Question 236-17(4): Dehcho Protected Areas Strategy

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources . Quite a few years back, the Berger Commission, of course, travelled all over the NWT, and in his report he outlined that before any major development happened, there had to be an effort in particular areas. Recently, there was a vision that envisioned that there would be a network of protected areas from the Yellowstone to the Yukon. Of course, with the initiative on the Protected Areas Strategy in the NWT, it’s brought international recognition.

My question to the Minister: What is the Government of the Northwest Territories’ position on the candidate protected areas in the Deh Cho?

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Government of the Northwest Territories has been fully involved in the Protected Areas Strategy. We have considerable resources invested in that process. We are intent on carrying on with the intent of that process.

There’s going to be a change in relationships here. The federal government is going to be stepping to the side and we are going to be playing a leadership role. We know in the Deh Cho that we are going to conclude Edehzhie and the other candidate areas. We are going to continue to work with the communities and the other stakeholders. We’ve had discussions and I’ve had discussions with the Minister of Environment about the resources that have been identified for these processes and these nominated wildlife areas to ensure that we, in fact, inherit and continue to have some of that funding that was voted by the federal government.

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

The Protected Areas Strategy initiative has been long established. It’s a tripartite arrangement, as the Minister outlined, between the Government of the Northwest Territories, the federal government and First Nations. What’s really important to recognize is it’s an eight-step process that’s basically driven by communities. The Government of the Northwest Territories has suddenly stepped back from the Protected Areas Strategy process. Can the Minister explain this decision?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Our commitment to that process remains unabated.

We’ve had recent meetings with the leadership of the Deh Cho about making sure that we can conclude the land use plan, setting up bilateral meetings between the governments so that we can talk about and resolve issues. I’ve met for a number of hours with the leadership from the Deh Cho on the Wildlife Act to try and resolve their concerns about the Wildlife Act, mainly as it pertains to their land claims. We are fully engaged in that. At that same time, we’re in a transition period as the federal government is going to exit stage left in this area and we’re going to take on a bigger role.

The work is there. We’re going to make sure we make full use of that work. We’re going to review the processes, and we know we have to do work on our northern tools so that when we look at our options, now that we have devolution, we have to be certain that we make full use of all the arrows in our quiver as it pertains to the tools we have to deal with the protected areas.

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

One community in particular is trying to advance protected areas, and they’ve been working on that for a long time, especially elders that have committed to believing that this process will work on behalf of the communities. PAS areas throughout the North would benefit all Northerners.

What options are available to the Dehcho to continue to advance areas for permanent protection?

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Question 236-17(4): Dehcho Protected Areas Strategy

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The protected area process has eight steps to it. Most of the candidate areas in the Member’s constituency, I believe, are around step five. In my time in government, it has been a process that is… The wheels grind very slow and fine in terms of advancing nominations through the system. We’re committed to that system. We’re going to adjust for devolution, but we’re still fully committed to that. We’re committed to the land use plan in the Deh Cho.

We’re committed to concluding our Land Use and Sustainability Framework as a territorial government, so that that broad framing policy gives us the clarity we need to go forward at these various tables, and we’re going to examine more closely the northern tools that are there that have been talked about but, for the most part, underutilized to this point.

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Question 236-17(4): Dehcho Protected Areas Strategy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Nadli .

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Question 236-17(4): Dehcho Protected Areas Strategy

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister assure this House that the pause that the government is taking at this point will not put into peril the PAS process and jeopardize committee funding. Mahsi.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I can clearly commit to the territorial government’s, our government’s commitment to this process. There are discussions underway with the federal Minister

in regard to the federal funding. We have not yet concluded the discussions, but the goal clearly is to maintain that funding and keep it available between ourselves and the territorial government so that the work has been done, and the money that was voted by the Parliament of Canada remains there for the use that it was voted for. Thank you.

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Question 236-17(4): Dehcho Protected Areas Strategy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 237-17(4): Highway Emergency Alerting Protocols

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have questions for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . My question is related to the Highway Emergency Alerting Protocols. Can the Minister give an update or an explanation as to what that protocol is and how it’s implemented? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 237-17(4): Highway Emergency Alerting Protocols

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In 2007 MACA, in collaboration with the RCMP, Health and Social Services and DOT, developed an NWT Highway Emergency Alerting Protocol. This protocol is intended to help guide the RCMP and community responses to highway emergencies. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, since 2007 has the department had the occasions to use this protocol and what occasions? Thank you.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, I would have to get that detail for the Member. Obviously, if something does happen on the highway, there’s a protocol that has to be followed. For specific events, I will gather the information and share it with the Member. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, this protocol, as I highlighted, called the Highway Emergency Alerting Protocol, goes to ensure that all emergency responders understand the roles and responsibilities with respect to accidents. Of course, this is for accidents outside the community boundaries, to ensure training is available and community governments are deprived the opportunity to provide this type of rescue. I’ve been so informed that these protocols were ignored in the most recent accident. Is the Minister aware of the impacts of not following through on these types of protocols?

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

I’m not aware. That would require some investigation from MACA, that part of it, and see if protocol was followed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 238-17(4): Devolution Agreement And Human Resource Planning

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to ask Mr. Premier some questions about the devolution consensus agreement that we have signed. Devolution is mostly known for decision-making and control of resources. However,

Chapter 7 has a big human resources component, more specifically with regard to transfer of jobs. I’d like to ask the Minister… Well, just quoting from

Chapter 7, it says, “We want to have a knowledgeable, experienced and stable workforce as of April 1, 2014.” I know there are roughly 150 jobs in Ottawa. I just want to know how our government is working towards that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 238-17(4): Devolution Agreement And Human Resource Planning

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess the big number in the Devolution Agreement is the amount of money. Obviously, we want as many people or federal incumbents that are in those jobs to come over. But at the end of the day, we make the decision of how many jobs we will have. Obviously, we will be making job offers and the agreement requires us to make sure that every federal employee that comes over is no worse off than they are now financially, and we are required to adhere to that for three years. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I’m a little concerned about the human resource plan to fill these positions. I know that the agreement speaks about offering the current federal incumbents and in Ottawa, six months prior to April 1, 2014. I’m concerned that I’m hearing that not many of them will actually come here. So how are we planning to fill these positions?

Also, I’d like to hear the Premier ’s experience when Arctic Airports transferred in 1995 and, as well, when Forest Management was transferred to us in 1987. What was the experience there of transferring federal employees north? Thank you.

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

I think we’ve had very good success with devolution in the past. As I’ve mentioned, we’ve had about… I think every program that’s with the Government of the Northwest Territories was a federal program at one time. At every instance we’ve been very successful at getting the incumbents to come over. I think the airports transfer was very successful as well. I think we’ve got some of the best airports operating around. The reason we’re using six months is so we can get an early indication from those who are not intending to come as part of the devolution, so we can either go out to competition or fill from within. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

A lot of these jobs, of course, are in lands and resources. I imagine most of them are technical and specialized positions. We haven’t seen the list. We’re still working, of course, with our Cabinet colleagues to pay attention to this.

What is the current strategy to look at these positions? Is there a plan B for those positions that people don’t want to transfer north? What is the plan B for our government to fill those positions? Thank you.

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

We also learned a lot from division of the Northwest Territories, where Nunavut had transition agreements with the Government of the Northwest Territories. So we are looking at the possibility of doing that. We are also fully committed to decentralization. I expect that we’ll be able to handle the human resource requirements during the transition so we can continue to function without missing a beat. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I think that’s my concern, is we don’t want to be missing a beat on April 1, 2014. What is the strategy for our government to ensure that these positions are filled from anybody from Ottawa who doesn’t want to come over? I know it’s the Northwest Territories; in fact, I would encourage them to come over. But in the event that does not happen, I know a lot of them have families and they’re entrenched in Ottawa. So what is that plan B? What is our strategy and is there a team set up to review this and come up with a good plan to fill those positions here in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

We do have quite a number of committees that are working on all these different issues and we’ll be providing that information in the very near future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 238-17(4): Devolution Agreement And Human Resource Planning

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses

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Question 239-17(4): Liquefied Natural Gas Agreement

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was very glad to hear the Minister’s statement, the Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, and the work that he’s doing, and the agreements that he’s signed for the liquefied natural gas, looking to address the energy needs in the fuel needs that we have for our community of Inuvik. So I have a couple of questions of clarity and to get some specifics.

I’d like to ask the Minister how long, the agreement that he signed, how long is the agreement for. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 239-17(4): Liquefied Natural Gas Agreement

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Minister responsible for the Power Corporation , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 239-17(4): Liquefied Natural Gas Agreement

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the term is five years with a clause in there that would allow us to renegotiate, should a source become available that’s closer to us than is currently the case. Thank you.

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Question 239-17(4): Liquefied Natural Gas Agreement

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, with the agreement signed, when can the residents and businesses start seeing the prices drop with the transportation and the delivery of this LNG to the community of Inuvik? When can we start seeing that type of energy coming into the community? Thank you.

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Question 239-17(4): Liquefied Natural Gas Agreement

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. As I indicated in my Minister’s statement today, what we’re aiming for is to be as fully functional as we can by this fall as it pertains to being able to use liquid natural gas and generation of electricity. Thank you.

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Question 239-17(4): Liquefied Natural Gas Agreement

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you. I was just trying to get a specific date because I will be getting questions, I’m sure, from constituents. So this fall we’ll be keeping an eye on it.

When we start getting this flow of LNG to the community of Inuvik, can the Minister outline where this LNG will be stored and is there enough storage space for the LNG when it gets to the community of Inuvik? Thank you.

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Question 239-17(4): Liquefied Natural Gas Agreement

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. It’s going to be close to the generation site in Inuvik. They’re currently looking at clarifying and finalizing the details on the tankage and vaporization equipment that is going to be required, but it, of course, will be as close as we can actually get it to where it’s going to be used. Thank you.

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Question 239-17(4): Liquefied Natural Gas Agreement

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you. Just in regard to following up in terms of storage space, right now we have a synthetic gas storage that can only last and hold for five days, should the Dempster shut down or ice roads, those kind of things.

When we set up this facility, how long will the LNG be there and how many days storage will we have for the community of Inuvik? Thank you.

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Question 239-17(4): Liquefied Natural Gas Agreement

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. In Inuvik we’ll have full diesel redundancy. So the storage requirements are going to be, at this point, 90 days and we’ll rely on being able to manage the supply in bringing the replenishment within that 90 days. The reason we say that we can manage with the 90-day supply is that we do have full diesel redundancy so that should there be a weather closure or something else untoward happen, then we would be able to still have no break in service. Thank you.

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Question 239-17(4): Liquefied Natural Gas Agreement

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 240-17(4): Dehcho Protected Areas Strategy

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to follow up on questions from my colleague Mr. Nadli to the Minister of ENR on the Protected Areas Strategy and see if we can seek some clarification for the very, very confused partners that are out there wondering what’s going on with GNWT positions.

Last spring this government decided it wouldn’t comment on the recommendation reports and started to block their release. I’m told GNWT asked that work in the Deh Cho be moved to the land claims table, even though all parties agreed at the beginning of this work that these are not claims issues, a position reaffirmed by regional First Nations in recent letters to the federal and territorial governments.

So my first question. Will this government continue on the long-agreed process to develop and get in gear to supply its comments on the recommendations, reports and have them publicly reviewed? Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The Minister of Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 240-17(4): Dehcho Protected Areas Strategy

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a number of hours booked with ENR tomorrow at eight o’clock in the morning and I will confirm that issue, but let me just restate our commitment to the long-term over this process.

We’ve been involved for years. We’ve continued to, and we’ll continue to, be involved in the process. I would like to point out, as well, some of the political changes in the Deh Cho, for example, tend to confuse the issue as well when you start having overlap issues with ADK and other communities, and now the K’atlodeeche, in fact, as well, has indicated they’re pulling out of the Dehcho. But in spite of that, we are going to be fully committed and the Premier gave that commitment to the grand chief, as well, a number of weeks ago. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you. The Minister has told me by letter that the GNWT will work with Canada to conclude Edehzhie, which I appreciate, but then with respect to all of the other areas, National Wildlife Areas proposed, the GNWT appreciates the significant work undertaken. What does that statement mean? Thank you.

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Question 240-17(4): Dehcho Protected Areas Strategy

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. As I indicated in previous questions, there have been meetings recently with the grand chief and some of the leadership from the Dehcho. There was an agreement to bilateral process to make sure we are fully engaged at the land claims and land use table, which would allow us to resolve some of these outstanding issues. We are committed to concluding Edehzhie and, as I indicated as well, I met, when we were down in Ottawa for the

Northwest Territories Days, with Minister Kent and raised the issue of the funds that are currently identified for the candidate areas and the need for us to work out an arrangement to make sure that funding continues on past the implementation date for devolution. Thank you.

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Question 240-17(4): Dehcho Protected Areas Strategy

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you. I hope and I appreciate the work that’s being done there to clear up this confusion, and I hope to confirm that. The Minister has also told me in a letter that final decisions on the boundary and establishment of a protected area will take place after devolution. Again, what does this mean? This is clearly a stall statement. What does this mean and has this also been taken care of in recent statements, negotiations with our partners? There are other partners, of course, besides Frist Nations out there. Mahsi.

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Question 240-17(4): Dehcho Protected Areas Strategy

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. I do understand that there is some consternation out there. I met with the folks from Ducks Unlimited, where they voiced their concern on behalf of the people they’ve been talking to and who they represent. We’ve heard it here in this House today.

We’ve seen it in the press where some are trying to imply or impute that somehow after devolution, that this government, which I think is a leader when it comes to environmental issues and alternative energy, wildlife issues, land issues, water issues, is somehow going to turn its back on what the people of this territory have been clear that they want it dealt with for the last 17 Assemblies and it is causing needless fear and consternation.

So after devolution, when we’re fully through this process, we’re going to continue on with our commitment. We’ve negotiated these bilateral agreements with the Dehcho, for example, and I would point out once again in the Deh Cho, for example, the fact that there’s been political decisions made in terms of communities splitting away from the Dehcho Process and wanting to have their own areas. There is now overlap issues, there is debate between communities over candidate area and sizes.

So we will work with the parties, all of them, including non-government, and I want to reassure folks that we are committed to this process and I will be, in fact, in this House tomorrow doing a statement on the Protected Areas Strategy to provide hopefully even more comfort. Thank you.

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Question 240-17(4): Dehcho Protected Areas Strategy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Minister’s remarks. I can’t say I’ve got much comfort yet, but I’ll look forward to that statement.

Another statement from the Minister in his letter, “The GNWT will be promoting the use of northern tools for any future areas.” This sounds like a

unilateral decision to me and ignores the partners and considerable work done. I wonder, does this mean there is no support for the National Wildlife Areas in the federal dollars that are available now, but will disappear if we don’t take them up on this? It sounds like the Minister will not support National Wildlife Areas and the flexibility that they bring. So what is the meaning of the Minister’s statement this time? Mahsi.

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Question 240-17(4): Dehcho Protected Areas Strategy

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. It means, very simply, that there is a federal process and they have put some money aside for candidate areas, that devolution is being negotiated, that we as a territory have tools that we’ve talked about but not used very well and there may be other tools we need to in fact develop as we manage the land and resources.

I have had discussions with the federal Minister about the federal money that is there. This process, this protected area process was in place I believe before I became a Member 18 years ago and it works, the wheels turn very slow and fine. We’re at step five for all those other areas, which means there could be years yet if you look at the timelines and what we’ve done and how long it’s taken to conclude some of these further areas. We’re going to look at what options we have as a territory.

We don’t want to be totally reliant on the federal government in the National Wildlife Area approach, and I’ve had discussions with Minister Kent about that money being left there and used there for either of us for Northerners, regardless of whether it’s a federal designation or it’s a territorial designation.

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Question 240-17(4): Dehcho Protected Areas Strategy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 241-17(4): Emergency Search And Rescue Protocols For Small Communities

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement I talk about emergency search and rescue effort in Tulita last summer and the help of many people across the Northwest Territories. I want to ask the Minister of MACA if his department has this type of initiative that they can go forward in helping communities like Tulita where people just got together and did the right thing and people later on joined helping out with funding and other sorts of things. We need some help in our small communities. Is the Minister willing to look at some of these kinds of concepts that the Tulita people are asking for help?

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Question 241-17(4): Emergency Search And Rescue Protocols For Small Communities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 241-17(4): Emergency Search And Rescue Protocols For Small Communities

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Robert C. McLeod

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all I want to commend the people of Tulita and all the other communities that have

good emergency plans. They seem to jump into action right away and they deal with the situations that are presented before them. We work closely with a number of the communities. We’ve been trying to work with them to update their emergency plans. As I’ve said in this House before, we have 16 communities that are updated. There are 15 we still have to work on updating theirs and there are a couple that we need to get them started on theirs. There is plenty of opportunity.

A lot of emergency committees in the communities do take it upon themselves to raise some money for emergencies, but we will work closely with the community of Tulita and other communities to make sure they all have a good, updated emergency plan.

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