Debates of Feb. 5th, 1997

This is page numbers 401 - 434 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Minister Absent From The House

Fort Mcpherson Residual Heat

Provincial/territorial Council On Social Policy Renewal

Prairie Creek Development Cooperation Agreement

Decorum And Behaviour During Question Period

Government Subsidies To Seniors

Rae-edzo Water And Sewer System

Contracting Services From The Private Sector

Employee Morale In The Civil Service

Impact Of Cuts To The Capital Budget

Volunteers

Public Perception Of Legislative Assembly Proceedings

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Progress On Consolidation Of Subsidies

Programs For Senior Homeowners

Icebreaker Service To Pelly Bay

Catholic Schools "bridges" Programs

Housing Corporation Policy

Funding For Contracting Of Municipal Services

H&ss Strategic Planning Process

Western Constitutional Consultations

Assistance To Western Leaders' Gathering

Distinction Between Continuous And Non-continuous Employees

Update On Sale Of Staff Housing

Membership Of Touring Constitutional Group

Copy Of School Insurance Policy

Privatization Of Petroleum Products

Inclusion Of NWT On Financial Publication

Privatization Of Petroleum Products

Storage Of Sealift Materials

Written Question 12-13(4): Ministerial Authorities Under New Education Act

Item 8: Returns To Written Questions

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 401

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 39-13(4): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House for the rest of the week to attend the Aboriginal Youth Conference and the National Aboriginal Achievement Awards in Calgary. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 39-13(4): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 40-13(4): Fort Mcpherson Residual Heat

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

I am pleased to provide this Assembly with an update on the district heating system project in Fort McPherson. Last year, the Northwest Territories Power Corporation and the Gwich'in Development Corporation established a company called AADRII Limited, whose objective was to develop a system to capture residual heat from the diesel generators and sell it to customers at competitive rates.

I am pleased to announce that late last week the first heat was delivered to the Fort McPherson Tent and Canvas Shop, the municipal water treatment plant and the new Chief Julius School. Over the next few months, other customers such as the Hamlet of Fort McPherson and the swimming pool will be coming on line.

Recently, there has been discussion in this House about innovative ways to create work and help the economy. I believe this project is an excellent example of a partnership that has created new opportunities and new revenue from what was, until last week, a wasted resource.

-- Applause

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Minister's Statement 40-13(4): Fort Mcpherson Residual Heat

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 41-13(4): Provincial/territorial Council On Social Policy Renewal

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In his budget address last week, the Minister of Finance spoke of the urgent need to reform programs and services in the social envelope. As Mr. Todd noted, a rapidly increasing population is placing excessive demands on social envelope departments, threatening long term sustainability of these programs in the NWT.

We are not alone in our need for social policy reform. Recently implemented changes to social policy funding are having an impact across the country. Faced with declining federal funding and increasing demand, provinces and territories across Canada are feeling the need to reform their social programs. To help provide a coordinated response to increased pressures provincial and territorial Premiers established the Federal/Provincial/Territorial Council on Social Policy Renewal.

Last week, I was in Toronto to attend a meeting of this Council and discuss the current status of social policy reform efforts across Canada. We had a productive meeting. Among other topics, we discussed ongoing work on the following initiatives: a national child benefit; integrated income support for persons with disabilities; a national children's agenda; and options for working together with the federal government to find solutions to the challenges facing Canada's health system.

Mr. Speaker, our progress on a National Child Benefit is a significant achievement. Federal, provincial and territorial governments have all agreed to proceed with work on a child benefit that will aim to reduce child poverty across the country. The new benefit will reduce overlap and duplication in support to children and will work to reduce the number of families relying on income support programs. It will also give us greater flexibility to address children's needs. Money now used to provide income support to families with children will be freed up for use in other programs aimed at children, such as early intervention.

GNWT officials are analyzing the impact of implementing the National Child Benefit in the NWT Details of the National Child Benefit still have to be worked out, but it is clear that to be effective it will require a significant and permanent incremental investment from the federal government.

Mr. Speaker, the Council also discussed the provincial/territorial report from health Ministers on a renewed vision for Canada's health system. Health Ministers released the vision document on January 29. I have copies of the document for Members who are interested.

In view of decreasing federal investments in Canada's health system, provincial and territorial Ministers of health have put forward a vision of a reformed national health system which will meet the needs of Canadians well into the next century. There are changes ahead for the Northwest Territories and while some of the changes may seem difficult and be unpopular, change now will guarantee the future survival of our social programs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Minister's Statement 41-13(4): Provincial/territorial Council On Social Policy Renewal

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Prairie Creek Development Cooperation Agreement

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise before the House to applaud the signing of the significant cooperative agreement in my constituency of Nahendeh. On Monday, February 3, the Nahanni Butte Dene Band and the San Andreas Resource Corporation successfully completed negotiations with respect to the Prairie Creek Development Corporation Agreement. The agreement was negotiated by partners without direct government intervention.

Prairie Creek, formally known as the Cadillac Mine, is a high potential lead, zinc, and silver mining prospect located in a remote site 170 kilometres north of the Liard Highway. There is considerable infrastructure on site and annual exploration efforts have increased ore reserves to levels where the event of advancing the project to a feasibility stage.

Nahanni Butte's objective is to achieve economic self-sufficiency by developing natural resources within its traditionally territory in accordance with sound environmental practices. The company's objective is to bring the project into production in the most cost effective and environmentally responsible manner. Mr. Speaker, I am proud to say that the recent signed agreement is the vehicle which will facilitate the partners in reaching the complimentary objectives.

As the project proceeds, the First Nation's people of Nahanni Butte will share in profits, management contracts, jobs and training opportunities. As we all know residents across the Deh Cho region and the N.W.T. will benefit from responsible new development initiatives such as the Prairie Creek Project.

I invite the Members of the Legislative Assembly to join me in congratulating the Nahanni Butte Dene Band and the San Andreas Resource for signing this milestone development agreement. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Prairie Creek Development Cooperation Agreement

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 402

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Members' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Decorum And Behaviour During Question Period

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I listen with interest to the comments made yesterday by the Member for Iqaluit on decorum and behaviour during question period. It is important to reflect from time to time on our duties to represent our constituents, and to carry out the business of government. Maybe I am old fashioned, Mr. Speaker, but I have made it my job to base decisions and opinions on the best facts that I could obtain, not on innuendo.

Perhaps Mr. Picco and I should compare whose skin is thicker now. The Member has been described by others recently as a lord of exaggeration, the king of crisis and the master of disaster.

I will have you know that I do not necessarily agree with these descriptions. Mr. Speaker, as a Member of this House, I am committed in working cooperatively with all my colleagues to do the job we are elected for. If a Member seeks information from me, I will continue to provide the facts. In this way I intend to avoid any future perceptions of crisis or exaggeration on my part, or anyone else. Thank you.

-- Applause

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Decorum And Behaviour During Question Period

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I was not too sure whether or not Mr. Arlooktoo was speaking as a Minister or as a Member, or maybe he is speaking on behalf of all the Ministers or all the Members, but I just thought I would bring that point up. Members' statements, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Government Subsidies To Seniors

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Previously in this House, I have raised the issue of subsidies within the government, the number of subsidies there are, where they are, and the apparent clear understanding of where they are all located, and the need for coordination. Mr. Speaker, this issue has become focused again on the issue of subsidies to seniors. This matter has been brought to the Social Programs Committee and the departments within the envelope as well

have agreed to look at the issue. Mr. Speaker, information shows that there are 21 different subsidies to seniors, scattered across eight different departments, boards or agencies. I think it makes it very clear that there is a need for a type of coordination of this kind of service that we provide and how the subsidies are delivered.

Mr. Speaker, the Seniors Society for the Northwest Territories, as well is very concerned, and have suggested that these be brought under one roof. It is something that I support as well. I would encourage the government, and will be asking the lead Minister questions in this regard in question period, about how we can approach this to, in fact, deliver on this critical area or segment of our society that is highly respected and needs this kind of service. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Government Subsidies To Seniors

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Rae-edzo Water And Sewer System

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As you may recall, previously I had commented on the Department of MACA and the Hamlet of Rae-Edzo coming to agreement regarding the take over of the water and sewer system. This is going to take place possibly April 1, 1997. However, we do have concerns. These talks have been in the process for approximately 10 years and over the period, MACA and Public Works and Services have investigated the system of both Rae and Edzo many times, all coming to the same conclusion, that both systems need repairs.

Over the same period, these departments have hired two different consultant groups that each have produced reports showing there are deficiencies in the system and what suggested solutions could be made, and all associated costs.

What we have in Edzo is the system that was installed when the community was built back in the late 60s and the early 70s. This system is all underground and is now getting close to the end of its lifespan. The system in Rae is a combination of underground pipe and truck delivery. This system is also getting fairly old and needs major repairs annually. The problem that keeps coming back, is what is classified O and M versus what is capital.

According to the hamlet water and sewer policy, all O and M charges are billed to Public Works and Services to be recovered from the hamlet. This has been the practice since 1987 when this policy came into effect. In most cases, the NWT is not a problem in those communities where lines are in surplus from their sewage and water sections. However, in Rae-Edzo due to the high cost of repairs associated with the system, all charges go back to the hamlet.

The hamlet is not getting ahead of the game. The system needs some major repairs and will cost thousands of dollars. It has now been identified that the Rae-Edzo system is too small to adequately supply the growing community. To date, all expenditures have been through O and M, which, of course, adds more financial burden to the hamlet. There is still no move by the department to have these major repairs recognized as capital. What must be done to convince this department that these are capital requirements, not O and M.

All work is presently being done as emergency solutions to the problem, not to plan to see what areas need work, and those have as capital lines to ensure it is not too overwhelming a burden to the hamlet, as it is at the present time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Rae-edzo Water And Sewer System

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Contracting Services From The Private Sector

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to the whole idea of privatization and service delivery in the community by the hamlet councils, right now there is no real regulation in place with regards to allowing the hamlet councils to contract out. Also, to the communities receiving O and M funds with regards to equipment rentals, and other items such as that. In the case of Fort McPherson and Aklavik, there are contractors available in those communities, yet we are still buying capital items such as graders, at a time when the private sector is also struggling to maintain their businesses.

I believe, Mr. Speaker, that this government should seriously look at the whole idea of O and M, capital planning, and allocate it to communities to carry out the responsibility with the private sector, so that they can also sustain the economic funding for both people, not just the government, but also the private sector. So with that Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister at the appropriate time about this idea. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Contracting Services From The Private Sector

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Employee Morale In The Civil Service

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with the unfortunate and embarrassing financial situation that we find this government in, it has been necessary to take some drastic, cost cutting measures. These measures have effected all employees of this government and many others.

Mr. Speaker, as most Members know, I have not been one of the staunch supporters or defenders of all of these reductions. However, Mr. Speaker, I do agree that cuts were required in certain areas and in some cases we had absolutely no choice.

Mr. Speaker, having said that, I feel that far too often, with all the concentration on the reductions, we lose sight of the human factor. Mr. Speaker, far too often we forget about the excellent work that our teachers, nurses, and all of the governments workers carry out in the midst of this turmoil and uncertainty.

Mr. Speaker, we would have to be without understanding not to realize that employee morale is at its lowest point. Every effort must be made to assure employees as to where they stand. To do otherwise would be cynical and irresponsible.

Mr. Speaker, it is unfortunate that our government employees are placed in this desolate situation through no fault of their own. If it were solely up to myself, Mr. Speaker, there would be no further cuts and our deserving employees could breath easier and enjoy life with their families. Mr. Speaker, hats off to all our government employees for all their excellent work. Thank you.

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Employee Morale In The Civil Service

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Impact Of Cuts To The Capital Budget

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I received a press release yesterday from the NWT Construction Association. The release regards the impact of the cuts to the capital budget, and I want to share some of the Association's concerns with the House. Our fiscal plans call for a reduction of $15 million to the capital spending this year. According to the Construction Association, that represents a 35 to 40 percent drop over previous years. The association further says, a cut of this magnitude will translate into the loss of 900 direct jobs. Mr.

Speaker, our fiscal policies are very tough on the construction industry. Individual companies have to become razor sharp competitors if they are to survive. Even with the prospect of contracts from the construction of diamond, I am not convinced that every construction company will make it through this period of transition.

There is not much we can do to provide added support in the coming years, but there are things we can do to make sure that construction businesses are treated properly. In recent days, I have been asking questions and making statements on the government's process for awarding contracts. I have questioned the fairness of the system and the willingness of officials to help companies develop the best bids possible. Mr. Speaker, our policies and procedures on the contract system needs to be looked at.

Especially the contract management proposal system which, according to some of my constituents, is less than fair, open, and clear. It is absolutely essential that we clean up these problems today. We can not help the construction industry by restoring old levels of capital spending, but we can make sure our contract processes give every company a fair shot at competing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Impact Of Cuts To The Capital Budget

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Volunteers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, volunteers take in all sizes and shapes in all walks of life. In 1987, the Secretary of State carried a national survey on volunteering and giving. The survey showed that 27 percent of Canadians are involved in formal volunteering, and almost half contribute to their neighbourhood, their family, or their community by volunteering in informal ways. While no national study has been carried out since that time, a 1995 study by Gol-Farb and Associates put the percentage of Canadians who volunteer at 42 percent. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to speak about some of the efforts of our volunteers and volunteer organizations.

Volunteers build stronger communities. They help out with minor hockey, softball, and other organized sports. They are found in service clubs like Rotary, Elks, Lions Club, the Legion, boy scouts, air cadets, and girl scouts, to name a few. They participate by serving on boards like day care, community action, wellness and inter-agency groups.

Mr. Speaker, the community of Iqaluit is blessed with many such dedicated individuals. Too many to mention by name. These are the people who make a community better for all who live there. This year, volunteer Canada is sending out a special invitation to elected officials all over Canada to help celebrate National Volunteer Week through an initiative called, the elected hour of service. They are asking every federal, provincial, and territorial elected representative to pledge one hour of volunteer work during National Volunteer Week.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to challenge my colleagues in this House to take up this offer and to volunteer during the week of April 13th to 19th. Mr. Speaker, I plan to volunteer each day during Volunteer Week and ask the various groups in Iqaluit to contact me immediately for any work or service I can perform on their behalf.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, I appreciate Mr. Arlooktoo 's earlier statement and I would be happy to help volunteer at his House too. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Volunteers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Public Perception Of Legislative Assembly Proceedings

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to raise a question, or give my comments on what I feel takes

part in this House. Mr. Speaker, I know a lot of people who watch from other communities and from the city of Yellowknife, this program being broadcast. They see only a portion of what happens here. They do not see the other things that happen within our other meetings, committee meetings, practices, or in our offices. What they do see is what is said here in the House. Mr. Speaker, I think, as Members of the Legislative Assembly, we have to be very careful with what we say in this House and how we present it, because many people out there see only this, only what is being said at the time we are here. They take that to be the truth.

Mr. Speaker, I think a lot of things we say around here tend to be in colourful prose and using different words to try and explain something, but I raise on the point of concern that we need to, as Members, be careful with what we say here and try and represent what we are saying in the most truthful way there is. There has been many a time when people have listened to what has happened in this House and other meetings that are put out, and when you only hear a portion of what is being said, as opposed to exactly what is happening.

I think we have to be careful. I think we need to point out at certain times that we need to be accurate with what we are saying, and I know I have said things that I have heard in committee meetings that somebody said something else to me. But I grow concerned that, from time to time, we say a few things at this level, whether inadvertently or not, but can mislead the public in general.

Mr. Speaker, I have heard in other meetings about how things are said can make other people react. I think we are well aware of this. We have been in here a year and I would say that, as Members, we need to watch the way we present ourselves so that we are providing the accurate information to those people we represent. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Public Perception Of Legislative Assembly Proceedings

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Return To Question 108-13(4): Revenue From The Sale Of Alcohol

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a rather lengthy return to oral questions, so I hope my colleagues will bear with me. It was asked by Mr. Roland on January 23rd, with respect to alcohol and drug prevention and I apologize for the length of it.

In addition to this $15 million in appropriate funds, the GNWT receives another $579,500 through an agreement with the federal government to deliver programs directly related to alcohol and drugs. I emphasize, however, that this $15 million only represents the money dedicated to direct program delivery in the area of prevention and treatment. The amount actually spent by this government on treatment and prevention of programs related to alcohol abuse is much greater.

We all know the enormous toll that alcohol abuse takes on our communities and the direct links that exist between alcohol and many of the social programs that we, as a government and the legislature, are concerned about.

In addition to the direct program delivery costs, the Department of Health and Social Services also budgets approximately $19 million for programs which indirectly support alcohol treatment prevention and related issues. A large part of the $10 million budget for children's group homes plus the care programs and placement programs for special needs children, will go to assist children from homes effected by alcohol abuse, including those with fetal alcohol syndrome or effect.

Another $8 million allocated to community wellness initiatives, family violence programs, and family counselling, will also contribute to assisting families, communities, and individuals, to deal with the impacts of alcohol abuse.

The direct spending by this government on alcohol abuse prevention and treatment programs is approximately equal to the revenue generated by alcohol sales. Indirect spending on programs that help to address community wellness and social programs more than doubles that amount. If it were possible to calculate the indirect costs associated with drug and alcohol abuse of all our government spending, it would demonstrate that the government spends several times more on prevention and treatment than the revenue received for the sale of alcohol. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Ms. Thompson .

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Page 405

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Sharon Ladd, NWT representative of Women in Trades and Technology and Ingrid Bron, the secretary administrative for Women in Trades and Technology National Network.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 226-13(4): Progress On Consolidation Of Subsidies

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 405

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services and it is in regards to the issue of cataloguing and consolidating the various subsidies that apply to seniors. Could the Minister indicate what the plan is at this point now that they have done the initial work to try to do the rough formula for consolidation? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the social envelope departments have prepared a draft report for outlining the programs that are provided currently to seniors. Our staff did do a presentation with the NWT Seniors Advisory Council, last week. The Ministers of the social envelope, myself, Mr. Arlooktoo , Mr. Dent , also met with the NWT

Seniors Advisory Council. We made a commitment to try to work with them and try to flesh out some of these programs and try to address some of their concerns and their issues relating to the programs that affect seniors here in the NWT, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, as I indicated in my Member's statement, there are about 21 different subsidy programs that the government has, scattered across eight different departments, boards and agencies. Will the Minister be proceeding, with his colleagues in the social envelope, to come up with a way to better formulate the integrated services, as has been requested by the NWT Seniors' Advisory Council? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My supplementary is in regards to the involvement of the NWT Seniors' Advisory Council. The Minister indicated that he would be consulting with them on the development of the work plan. Would the Minister also indicate whether he will be involving the seniors in the ongoing work that is going to be taking place, to try to bring this particular issue to a successful resolution? Thank you.

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, of course, we are waiting currently for our staff to put together a proposed work plan, which would also include the extent of involvement the NWT seniors would have in the process. My personal preference, as the lead Minister, was to have members of the Senior's Advisory Council actually sit on some of the working groups in this review. However, it is an issue that our social envelope committee, my colleagues, will have on the table for discussion before finalizing the work plan on this matter, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister then take the specific, written concern by the NWT Seniors' Advisory Council, that they be involved in the manner suggested by the Minister of Health and Social Services , to the table with his other colleagues, and impress upon them the importance, if, in fact, they have this involvement and consultation on an ongoing basis, if this is going to be a meaningful, accepted piece of work? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I indicated, yes, I do recognize the importance of it. I believe my honourable colleagues also recognize the importance of having some direct involvement, as early as possible, in proceeding with some of its work. So, it is a matter that will be discussed and clarified in the near future, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 227-13(4): Programs For Senior Homeowners

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 406

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today will be directed towards the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . I would like to know what programs we have available today for seniors who own their own homes and are in need of assistance in repairing their own homes? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, seniors that own their own homes are eligible, as anyone else, to all the programs and services that the corporation has to offer. In addition, there is a special program geared towards repairing seniors' homes, that has been set aside for seniors only.

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Samuel Gargan

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform me if there are special qualifications or, if you qualify as a senior in age and have your own home, that you would be able to fit into this program for getting assistance? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I do not have the criteria in front of me. One of the qualifications is, in fact, age. Also, the state of repairs needed to the house and what other resources they have, whether they actually need the support or not.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister inform me if seniors who own their own homes and are on a pension would be qualified for getting this assistance for doing repairs to their home? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I believe so.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister provide me with information regarding seniors, so that I can bring that information forward to the community? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I will arrange to have a package delivered to the Member today.

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Question 228-13(4): Icebreaker Service To Pelly Bay

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 407

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Transportation . Two days ago, I asked the Minister about the Canadian Coast Guard icebreaker service being reduced in the affected area. At that time, I was going to have a supplementary to that question, but we ran out of time, so I did not have the chance to further ask the Minister about the service.

Mr. Speaker, Pelly Bay, as you all know, is dependent solely on the icebreaker service, the Canadian Coast Guard and this government has made a substantial saving by using the icebreaker service to Pelly Bay, when they bring in the building materials, petroleum products, and other essentials for the community. The community has not had any substantial saving, but that is another point.

Mr. Speaker, because Pelly Bay is so dependent upon the icebreaker to bring in the yearly supply for that community, will the Minister assure this House, and the people of Pelly Bay, that service to Pelly Bay, provided by the icebreaker, will not be cut off in the next few years? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation . Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in reply to the honourable Member in regards to icebreaker service to the municipality of Pelly Bay, the information that I have is that the Pelly Bay relief icebreakers will not be affected, as far as I am concerned, at this point in time. Further, that the Department of Transportation is trying to get an extension to the federal commitment to the Pelly Bay marine resupply for a number of years. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 229-13(4): Catholic Schools "bridges" Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 407

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, in the House, I made a statement on a new program developed by the Yellowknife Catholic schools, entitled "Bridges", which was a program designed to help young people assume a role in the workforce from school participation. My question is to the Minister of Education . Has he had an opportunity to look at this program, as of today? Thank you.

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Page 407

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Yellowknife Public Denominational Education Council, the Separate School Board here in Yellowknife, did deliver a proposal for a program to the assistant deputy minister for Culture and Careers in January of this year. I have since had a chance to have a look at it. The department, I think, is intrigued by the program. It looks like a positive approach and I understand there will be a meeting in the next few days between department officials and the Catholic school board, to discuss whether there are ways that funding could be located. The department is particularly interested in looking for areas of funding outside the department, at this point in time.

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Samuel Gargan

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for that. I was wondering when the Minister has had an opportunity to take a look at that program, if he will ensure that other educational districts in the Territories will have an opportunity to review it? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have read the proposal myself and do find it to be worthy of consideration. As the Member will know, the department has some problems right now of finding adequate funding to deliver all of the services with which we are tasked. It is not easy to say that just because it looks like a good program, we are able to fund it. We are hoping to work with the Denominational Education Council and see if there is a way to resource the program and we will certainly see if the Education Council is willing to share that proposal with other education councils across the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 230-13(4): Housing Corporation Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . Mr. Speaker, prior to Christmas, I was advised by one of my constituents that they were forced to give up their access home, simply because they could not afford it. As a result, they attempted to secure housing through the local housing association but, unfortunately, they were refused. The reason given was that, if they were at one point the owner of an access unit and gave it up, that they could not then obtain social housing. I would like to know if the Minister could confirm that is the policy. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I can provide the Member with the exact policy guideline, but I do believe that one of the criteria for getting into social housing is the fact that you do not have arrears towards the local housing authority or the Housing Corporation, which may have been the case, with this example.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister confirm whether or not the policy, as it is stated, if a person does not have arrears. If they simply gave up the house because they could not afford to make the payments, they found them too strenuous, if they would be refused by the LHOs?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, each individual case is different. I would imagine that the LHO would look at the severity of the need of the family. If the family did meet all the requirements for being able to get into social housing, they would certainly have to go on the list. As everybody probably knows, these housing authorities do have fairly long waiting lists. If they do meet all the requirements, then they would be on the list.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is the Minister saying that if the family gives up the unit because it simply just cannot afford it, they have no arrears, that they should be given the opportunity to gain local housing? There should be no reason why they would not be accepted or put on the list for local housing. Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I will have to look at the actual policy and agreements that these new home owners sign. Whether or not, at the time they accepted assistance for home ownership through the Housing Corporation, whether they are giving up the ability to use social housing again, I will check into that.

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Question 231-13(4): Funding For Contracting Of Municipal Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Municipal Affairs . In the private sector, communities do not receive either capital or O and M funding for equipment and facilities, which are supplied by contractors, and not owned by communities. On the other hand, when communities deliver municipal services through their own process, they receive capital funding for equipment, infrastructure, as well as O and M funding, for the operation and maintenance within those communities.

Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is, in the case of a community that wants to look at contracting out certain sectors to the private sector, that they should not be penalized and they should receive the same amount of funding as those communities that do receive O and M funds. Is the Minister presently looking at that possibility?

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When the Member was making his Members' statement, I thought he meant the municipal government should not be competing with the private sector. The question seems to be different. We are looking at municipal financing of all local governments in the communities. This is one of the items that

has been discussed in the NWTTA meetings, and also with my department staff. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is exactly what I am trying to say. Communities that go into private contract or the private sector, for road maintenance and what not, do not receive the same amount of funding as communities make who require their own equipment, maintain their own equipment, for which they receive O and M funding and also infrastructure funding. I am wondering why is there such a discretion between communities who do contract work and communities who do not? Could the Minister tell me if they are trying to address that?

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is one of the issues that we are discussing in the municipal financing review. I will get back to the Member after I have talked to my advisors from the department as to how that is going. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to communities that do get into contract services, the Minister also could look at the possibility of allowing those communities to generate revenues through equipment rental or basically servicing an outside contractor who may come into the community who may need that equipment. Can they also have the ability to generate revenues by leasing that service to other clients besides the government?

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the initiatives that we have that is a priority of this government is community empowerment. If a community wants to do planning ambitioning for their community, how their community wants to operate the functions within their boundaries, then that is an option that they have. This is one of the issues that we are discussing in our department under our municipal operations review. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to the municipalities having the ability to move revenues around for a certain capital project versus building new structures, that the capital could be used for rent facilities or upgrade facilities, but those revenues are not taken back by this government. Is there a possibility that there is more flexibility to move money around within the municipalities, instead of basically restricting them on the conditions that they are allowed to spend those dollars.

Could the Minister tell me if there is a possibility of easing up on those restrictions, so that communities can spend those revenues on other items they may want to use them for, such as a gymnasium, for instance?

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the things the communities can do, and I have said this before, is that the communities can be block-funded for a single program or a capital project. Block funds can be for a number of programs or projects, and the big key in this is that block funding to that community would mean flexibility with their funds to do what they want to do with their money.

The block funding agreement would allow the communities to identify local issues and plan and allocate resources to solve them and take responsibility for the design and delivery of local programs and services, and have more independence in administration, spending choices, and revenue generation. Also take control of GNWT resources and use them more effectively and flexibility. Also to accept a more comfortable degree of funding certainty over a term of the agreement, and become accountable to local residents instead of GNWT.

This is one of the things that communities should be looking into, so they could have more flexibility in allocating the funding to other resources in their communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 232-13(4): H&ss Strategic Planning Process

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Health , Mr. Ng . Mr. Speaker, the Minister announced a health review to be carried out by a company called Med-Emerg. My question for the Minister is, will this study be used to support the construction of the Nunavut and Inuvik hospitals? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I indicated in my statement, the strategic plan is to make recommendations as to how the health care and social service systems could be established for both Nunavut and the western territory. What I could see coming out of it that could impact on the Iqaluit hospital and the Inuvik hospital, is depending on what recommendations come forward, and whether those recommendations are acceptable, what program and scope of those programs would be available to those two facilities. That would impact on the size of the

facilities and the dollars that would be spent to meet those needs, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the construction of the Nunavut and Inuvik hospitals are very important, as has been expressed in this House. I wonder, what is the time frame for the completion of the report, and when it will be able to be viewed by members of the public and the Members of this House? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The anticipation is to have a draft strategic plan ready by the latter part of April, and for some extensive further consultation over the course of the summer, with the goal of trying to finalize the strategic plan for us by late fall, in order to carry forward and try to implement some of the structural changes that will be required as a result of this strategic planning process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I guess the Minister is talking metaphorically when he says structural changes. What are the structural changes that the Minister is referring? Is he referring to the mandate of the department, the different aspects of the direction of the department, or actual facilities?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I refer structurally to program changes that would be necessitated as a result of some of the recommendations that would be coming forward in the draft strategic plan. Of course, if those strategic recommendations for changes were palatable for us as politicians representing constituents throughout the territories, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 233-13(4): Western Constitutional Consultations

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 410

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs , the Honourable Mr. Antoine . It is with respect to the constitutional process. I wonder if the Minister could tell us when the consultation meetings are held, what will be the subject of consultation? Will the committee bring forward the report "Partners in a New Beginning", in the main proposal of that? Or will there be a list of principals? Exactly what is it that they will be consulting the public about?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Aboriginal Affairs , Mr. Antoine .

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Page 410

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the consultation process that we will be undertaking in the communities in the western NWT is of course the "Partners in a New Beginning" document, along with all the different types of information that is available from many years of constitutional development work in the Northwest Territories. That includes the history, the chronology of events over the number of years that talks have gone on, and in different types of forms that existed in the North until present day.

We are going to use all of that information and make sure that everybody has a very clear picture of exactly what it is that has been documented until this point in time. Hopefully, once this is done, people will have a clear understanding of what this document is about and will try to answer all of the questions as a result of the "Partners in a New Beginning" up to this point in time, as a result of the presentation we hopefully will make in the communities. Thank you.

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Page 410

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 410

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The "Partners in a New Beginning" had three proposals in it, but the two other proposals were not expanded upon the way that the first proposal was. I wonder if the Minister could tell us, will the committee doing the hearings and the consultation provide further information on those two proposals?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 410

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the other two models that are in the document "Partners in a New Beginning", there is other information that was developed throughout the summer in the many meetings we had. We have asked some of our officials to take a closer look at these two other models, and come out with some information on those two. Yes, we hopefully will be bringing more information to these consultation meetings in relation to the other two models. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Would the Minister advise us what the process will be once the consultations have taken place in regard to the re-drafting, and will that come back to the Members of the western Caucus for review?

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Samuel Gargan

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, the intention is that as the rolling draft is developed, we will try to keep in touch with all the Members of the western Caucus, as well as our partners, the aboriginal leadership. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister tell us what the ratification process will be once the western Caucus has approved this proposal?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 411

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the question of the ratification process is that the whole process of community consultation and revising the rolling draft, and once it is finalized to the point where we feel we could offer it to the public in the western NWT, then there will be a ratification process. That process has now been talked about in the form of a vote of some sort, and we still have not really come out with a mechanism on how that is going to happen. There are different examples of ratification processes that have been in the north.

The different claiming groups, the different formulas on how they have ratified their own claims. The Inuvialuit have their own process. The Gwich'in, the Sahtu, and the Dogribs also have gone through their own process. Those are used as examples of how we will determine the percentages at the end of the ratification process. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 411

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 234-13(4): Assistance To Western Leaders' Gathering

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 411

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance , who is responsible for overseeing issues relating to division through the Division Secretariat. I noticed a press release today where they talked about the Sixth Nunavut Leaders Conference, and I am also aware that there is another major conference in Nunavut sometime in March, and that the GNWT has thrown in funding towards these particular events, and others.

My question to the Minister is, the leaders of the western territory are talking about trying to arrange their first ever gathering of western leaders at the end of March, beginning of April, to discuss issues related to division and formula financing and other critical related issues. Would the Minister consider assisting to help set up and fund this very critical meeting of first ever gathering of western leaders? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 411

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 411

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me try to put it in context. The Nunavut leadership meetings that are taking place in February in Cambridge Bay and its predecessors, in which Nunavut Caucus, NIC and NTI have been the principal partners in the discussions, each of these organizations have funded themselves. The territorial government, per se, has not funded the total conference. NTI funded its expenditures, et cetera. But it is fair to say that there was some financial assistance sought from the MSB and from the Nunavut Caucus to assist in that, although, in my understanding it was not a significant amount of dollars.

I want that to be said in that context. I would be very comfortable in saying that I believe there would be support within Cabinet and the FMB and with this ministry, to assist the western constitution process with similar support, as I have laid out, that is currently provided to the Nunavut Leaders' Summit. Yes. Thank you.

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Page 411

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 235-13(4): Distinction Between Continuous And Non-continuous Employees

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 411

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question at this time will be directed to the Minister responsible for the FMB. Mr. Speaker, since we have gone through our first year, since the changes to the public service contract has been put forward in regards to the Donny Days that were talked about so much by the employees, I would like the Minister to tell me, why is there a difference between a continuous and non-continuous employee when it comes to the rate of pay and the amount of days they have to work throughout the year? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 411

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 411

John Todd

Keewatin Central

First of all, let me say that the days off that were negotiated under the collective arrangement, I think it would be fair to say was a resounding success. Any employees that I have talked to were very appreciative of the fact that arrangement was made and I think through the joint efforts of the UNW and ourselves, I think we were able to make arrangements so that peoples pay cheques would continue.

It is my understanding, and again, I qualify this by saying I stand to be corrected, it is my understanding that continuous employees are people who are working shift work or working things like correctional facilities, et cetera, and that their pay continues on, so therefore, they do not get the five days but they get the same amount. I have to get this right and my colleague did warn me that this question was coming. Mr. Speaker, I have to take the question as notice. This is the second one that I have taken as notice and I am disappointed in myself.

I apologize to my colleague for not having the answer today, I will take the question as notice, because I know it is an important one and report back to him tomorrow. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 236-13(4): Update On Sale Of Staff Housing

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 412

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for FMBS, Mr. Todd . It is regarding the sale of staff housing. I believe the sale of staff housing was to contribute to the income of the government this present fiscal year and next fiscal year. Can the Minister update us on where the sale of staff housing is at as regards to this fiscal year that we are presently in? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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Page 412

John Todd

Keewatin Central

It gives me pleasure to say that the sale of staff housing is, believe it or not, a resounding success. I would like to publicly commend the real estate agents that are out there working hard to sell the houses on behalf of this government. Perhaps I should have done that months ago, and we would not be in this position we are in today. But, the sale of staff housing is going very, very well right now. There will be, obviously, some people that are disappointed, because they have chosen not to, for a variety of reasons, purchase their homes.

There are a variety of community based and regional based organizations purchasing these units where the employees choose not to. I am pleased to say that to the credit of all of these organizations that are purchasing them are either community owned or regionally owned by northerners. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 412

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I realize that the NWT Housing Corporation has got a down payment assistance program where the government will offer, or give to candidates for purchase of homes, their down payment. Has there been any use made of this program for the sale of staff housing? Has anyone made use of the down payment assistance program to purchase staff housing? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 412

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker. Well of course, Mr. Speaker, I think that the deal that we have given to our employees is an excellent one, and I would hope that we would not give them any other incentive, when you consider that with some of them are getting them for 25 to 45 cents on the dollar. I have said on many occasions, both in the House and out of the House, it is inconceivable to me how some people have not purchased them.

It is a unique opportunity that no other government in Canada has given its employees, and I think it would be safe to say that the incentive that we have given them through the reduction in the appraised value, and the fact that we are asking them to make an offer on it, and we are prepared to purchase it back if they want to leave, that is about all the incentive they need and I do not believe that there is any further incentive through a down payment assistance program, although I will double check with my colleague, Mr. Arlooktoo .

In my discussions with some of the Inuit owned development corporations, none of which I am associated with, I mean I say for public record because there are those who are accusing me of that, are actually actively giving those mortgages through the conventional banks and through some of the people that were assisting us, for example in the rural fund. So I am very, very pleased with the fact that, from Clyde River to Tuktoyaktuk, we are going to see locally owned, both individuals and groups owning these units and providing cost effective, affordable housing to our employees.

And at the same time, meeting the targets that we set of 27 million in revenues to meet our deficit elimination strategy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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