Debates of Nov. 4th, 1994

This is page numbers 745 - 772 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Preparing For A Safe Winter Season

Second Annual Dreamcatchers Conference

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Snowmobile Safety

Fuel Subsidies For Elders

New Fur Pricing Program

Study On Economic Feasibility Of Bonsai Trees

Status Of Review Of Medevac Services

Renegotiation Of O And M Payments In Yellowknife Office Leases

Illegal Caribou Hunting

Construction Of Correctional Facility In Fort Providence

Devolution Of Programs From Fisheries And Oceans

Pricing Of Wild Furs

Community Standards For Rating Tv Programs

Protection Of Women From Defense Of Drunkenness

Incorporating Aboriginal Customs In Legislation

Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

Return To Written Question 6-12(6): Costs Associated With Translation And Television Services For Session

Return To Written Question 9-12(6): Definition Of Special Needs

Return To Written Question 19-12(6): Total Financial Contribution To The Arctic Winter Games

Return To Written Question 21-12(6): Total Financial Contribution From Sport North To Arctic Winter Games

Return To Written Question 24-12(6): Provision Of Uhf Radios And Gps To Communities

Amended Terms Of Reference For The Advisory Committee On Social Housing

Bill 19: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1994-95

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Committee Report 11-12(6): Report On The First Annual Report (1992-93) Of The Languages Commissioner Of The Nwt

To Adopt Recommendation 1

To Adopt Recommendation 2

To Adopt Recommendation 3

To Adopt Recommendation 4

To Adopt Recommendation 5

Committee Report 15-12(6): Report On The Northwest Territories Arts Council

To Adopt Recommendation 1

To Adopt Recommendation 2

To Adopt Recommendation 3

Bill 8:

An Act To Amend The Public Utilities Act

To Defer Consideration Of Bill 8

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1995-96Committee Report 10-12(6): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Capital Estimates

Bill 13:

An Act To Amend The Motor Vehicles ActBill 14:

An Act To Repeal The Public Service Vehicles Act

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1995-96Committee Report 10-12(6): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Capital Estimates

To Adopt Recommendation 12

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Mr. Ningark , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Good morning. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Minister's Statement 55-12(6): Preparing For A Safe Winter Season

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am sure that we are all very grateful for the wonderful summer and fall weather that we enjoyed this year. However, we all knew that the coming of winter was inevitable. The arrival of winter means that many of us will be able to get back onto the land, even for a short period, and renew our spirits. But in order to make sure that we enjoy and survive the winter, there are a number of safety precautions that we should all be taking now.

Madam Speaker, the Department of Safety and Public Services is mailing information packages to the communities which contain five "infograms" on topics of special interest during the winter season. These infograms are safety tips on the following subjects:

- snowmobile safety

- ice road safety

- heat trace cable (to make sure heat trace cable is properly installed to reduce the risk of fires)

- carbon monoxide poisoning (which can result from faulty furnaces, wood stoves and gas-fired appliances) and

- approved sources of heat for clearing frozen propane lines (no tiger torches, please!).

Madam Speaker, the Department of Safety and Public Services also provides a wide range of inspection and investigation services. My staff and I sincerely hope that we do not have to conduct investigations of fatalities which occur this winter because of a failure to take safety precautions. I urge all Members and their constituents to take the time to keep informed about basic winter safety precautions. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 55-12(6): Preparing For A Safe Winter Season

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Second Annual Dreamcatchers Conference

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, today I rise to tell Members about the second annual dreamcatcher aboriginal youth conference held in Edmonton the weekend of November 18 to November 20. Dreamcatchers was started last year by some very dedicated aboriginal students enrolled in Grant McEwan College.

Last year's conference was designed as a forum for the students and faculty of the young and youth care programs to encourage aboriginal students to consider a career in this worthwhile field. Madam Speaker, as usual with great ideas, the concept has snowballed. The response to last year's conference was overwhelmingly positive so that people kept coming up with more and more ideas to incorporate into this year's conference.

The dreamcatchers aboriginal youth conference still encourages young aboriginal students to take up careers in youth and child care. There will be presentations by people in the field of child and youth care who will show students what a rewarding career working for their people could be. But, through the positive feedback that I spoke of earlier, the dreamcatchers conference has become much more than a forum for youth and child care programs at Grant McEwan Community College.

It has become a conference for the aboriginal youth of Canada, a conference where they can learn about their own culture and how to incorporate their culture into the Euro-Canadian mainstream without losing sight of their own unique heritage.

Madam Speaker, last year participants, both educators and aboriginal students alike, left the conference feeling recharged, full of new ideas of ways to help people in their own communities. Madam Speaker, I am proud to say that a group of 15 grade 10 students from Deh Gah secondary school in Fort Providence, after starting over $800 in debt, have worked very hard to raise the money to attend this very worthwhile aboriginal youth conference.

However, as usual in the smaller communities, they have come up a little short in their fund-raising. I have sent letters to some of the honourable Ministers across...

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Mr. Gargan .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Madam Speaker, I would like to get unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to continue. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Gargan .

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Second Annual Dreamcatchers Conference

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Madam Speaker, however, as usual in the smaller communities, they have come up a little short in their fund raising. I have sent letters to some of the honourable Ministers across the way and, as time is of the essence, I urge each one of them to look very seriously at finding a few extra dollars for the youth of my constituency. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River , Mr. Pollard .

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Return To Question 178-12(6): Wages And Benefits Of Family Violence Workers

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Good morning. Madam Speaker, I have a return to an oral questions asked of the Premier by Mr. Dent on October 19, 1994. It deals with family violence workers' wages and benefits.

Madam Speaker, the Department of Health and Social Services currently provides contributions to a wide range of community groups to provide health and social services to members of the public. These include alcohol and drug treatment centres, alcohol and drug counselling projects, violence shelters and personal care facilities. In addition, contributions are provided to other community groups which provide less direct services to clients. In total, Madam Speaker, over 305 residents are employed using the funding provided under these contribution agreements. Unfortunately, there has not been enough money to pay these workers at the same level as government employees.

In the past, the department has funded these organizations from a variety of discreet program areas. As a result, the workers provide the services in only one program area and often in isolation of their counterparts who work in other disciplines.

The departments of Health and Social Services were combined to achieve some economies and, as we work our way through the restructuring of the organization, the savings will be quite obvious. The same process needs to occur in the integration of contributions to community groups.

One of the critical projects that is currently under way is the development of a community wellness strategy. This strategy aims at finding innovative ways to help residents deal with a variety of personal issues such as child sexual abuse, spousal abuse and neglect. One of the outcomes of this strategic initiative will be greater involvement by community groups in the determination of how government money will be spent to promote healing and recovery.

Ideally, Madam Speaker, communities will explore the mandates of many of the groups currently providing services through government funding with a view towards amalgamation at the community level in an attempt to provide services in a more integrated and more effective manner.

It may be necessary at that point, depending on the priorities set by individual communities, to divert money from some of the programs that have been operating unchanged for many years in an attempt to find more effective ways of healing. At the same time, it may be possible to deal with wage inequities for groups such as family violence workers.

This strategy should be complete for tabling at the winter session of this Assembly. By 1995-96, communities will be empowered to examine all of the relevant resources provided by government to their communities and to set priorities that will address their own unique needs. At that point, Madam Speaker, I am confident that a greater emphasis will be placed on community mental health and combating family violence. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Return To Question 178-12(6): Wages And Benefits Of Family Violence Workers

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River , Mr. Pollard .

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Return To Question 269-12(6): Difficulties Cashing Social Assistance Cheques In Natilikmiot

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, this is a reply to a question asked by Mr. Ningark , of the Premier , on October 27, 1994. It deals with social assistance payments for Pelly Bay and Taloyoak.

Madam Speaker, some years ago, at the request of the Kitikmeot Regional Council, the Department of Social Services began limiting the amount of cash that is available to social assistance recipients in the region. Recipients receive $50 in cash each month, and the remainder of their social assistance is paid directly to suppliers on the recipients' behalf.

A request was received this past summer from the community of Pelly Bay, asking that this practice be discontinued. It was arranged for a delegation from the community to meet with one of the department's assistant deputy ministers, along with the director of social assistance. I understand that Mr. Ningark attended the meeting that was held on July 21, 1994. The concern expressed at the meeting was that the limited amount of cash given out was placing hardships on some social assistance recipients.

It was agreed at the meeting that this matter could be addressed by the local Social Assistance Appeal Committee, who have the authority to hear the complaints of any social assistance recipient. It was also agreed that if the appeal committee was not able to resolve the issue, then the department was prepared to re-examine it.

These agreements were outlined in a letter from me to the Speaker of the Kitikmeot Regional Council on September 2, 1994, with copies to the Member, to the mayor of Pelly Bay and to Mr. Ng .

Just recently, I was provided with a copy of a petition signed by members of the Pelly Bay community, addressed on October 7, 1994 to the speaker of the Kitikmeot Regional Council. This petition asks the council to reconsider its position on the issuing of cash in social assistance.

Madam Speaker, this matter has to be resolved. Since the current practice of using vouchers was implemented at the request of the Kitikmeot Regional Council, the ideal way to resolve it would be for the community to come to an agreement with the Kitikmeot Regional Council. Towards this end, I will ask the regional council to give prompt consideration to the petition from the residents of Pelly Bay. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Return To Question 269-12(6): Difficulties Cashing Social Assistance Cheques In Natilikmiot

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Morin .

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Further Return To Question 296-12(6): Types Of Leases Being Used In Yellowknife

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Dent on October 31, 1994. Types of leases being used in Yellowknife.

In Yellowknife, the Department of Public Works and Services has implemented a modified gross lease approach to the acquisition of office space. In this approach, the baseline portion remains constant over the entire term of the lease. Municipal taxes are paid on the basis of actual cost. Other operations and maintenance repayments will be adjusted annually, based on the changes in the Canadian consumer price index. Thank you.

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Further Return To Question 296-12(6): Types Of Leases Being Used In Yellowknife

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Question 337-12(6): Snowmobile Safety

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Safety and Public Services regarding the statement he just made earlier today. I would like to ask, under snowmobile safety -- the brochure that the department hands out -- whether that would include snowmobile operations on ice, particularly on new ice in early fall. Thank you.

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Question 337-12(6): Snowmobile Safety

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Safety and Public Services , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Question 337-12(6): Snowmobile Safety

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. I don't have that information. I'll provide a copy to the honourable Member.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ng .

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Question 337-12(6): Snowmobile Safety

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would also like to clarify, Madam Speaker, in his statement it says that the department hopes that they will not have to conduct investigations of fatalities which occur this winter because of a failure to take safety precautions. My understanding is that the coroner's office normally investigates fatalities within the Northwest Territories, so I would like to ask if the Minister could clarify whether both departments are involved. Thank you.

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Question 337-12(6): Snowmobile Safety

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Safety and Public Services , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Question 337-12(6): Snowmobile Safety

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In certain circumstances both departments are involved. If you have a situation where you have fires, the fire marshal is involved. If you have situations where there are safety issues that are related to electrical, our department is involved in that. It's specific to the profession that is related to the incident that occurs.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ng .

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Supplementary To Question 337-12(6): Snowmobile Safety

Question 337-12(6): Snowmobile Safety

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask then, as far as snowmobile operations, like the unfortunate incident that happened in my constituency a week and a half ago, whether or not his department would be involved in those types of safety incidents.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Safety and Public Services , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

In those particular incidents, normally that's a matter that is dealt with by the RCMP and the court.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Question 338-12(6): Fuel Subsidies For Elders

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. (Translation) I would like to ask a question of one of the government's Executive Members, but she is not here at the moment so I would like to talk to the Minister who is working in the interim. At this time of year when it's cold, the elders need help with the wood and

fuel. What I would like to ask Mr. Pollard is, are there any plans to help the elders with these kinds of problems this year?

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Question 338-12(6): Fuel Subsidies For Elders

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Mr. Pollard .

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Question 338-12(6): Fuel Subsidies For Elders

Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, we do have a fuel subsidy program that is available to our elders in the Northwest Territories. That should be in the knowledge of all the social welfare offices across the Northwest Territories. If there is a problem, I will have a directive sent out to them to make sure that they address this issue in the communities they are responsible for. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Gargan .

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Supplementary To Question 338-12(6): Fuel Subsidies For Elders

Question 338-12(6): Fuel Subsidies For Elders

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

(Translation) Thanks for that reply. Another question I would like to ask is a lot of people are not educated and are illiterate, so will these people also be getting help?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Mr. Pollard .

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Question 338-12(6): Fuel Subsidies For Elders

Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, regardless of whether the people are able to fill in the forms or not able to fill in the forms, whether they are unilingual or unable to communicate, I will make sure the department knows that they should pay particular attention to these people and assist them with the applications. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Question 339-12(6): New Fur Pricing Program

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yesterday, the Honourable Silas Arngna'naaq , the Minister of Renewable Resources , made a statement in the House regarding a fur pricing program. He stated that this new program will improve upon and replace the fur incentive subsidy. At this time of the year, many people who depend on trapping are looking forward to their fur subsidy to begin their season. I would like to ask the

Minister to explain a little more clearly how this new fur pricing program will be introduced. Thank you.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The fur pricing program that is being initiated by the Department of Renewable Resources has three main objectives, which are: to establish a guaranteed or minimum price

schedule for selected prime wild furs harvested in the Northwest Territories; to increase participation in trapping, whether they are trappers who stopped trapping years ago or young people who would like to earn an income in trapping; and, to increase the proportion of quality prime wild fur in the Northwest Territories.

The incentive program that was run by the Government of the Northwest Territories, I believe, was an effective program. However, I don't think it encouraged new trappers or trappers who had trapped before to get back into trapping. The intent of the program is to try to bring more trappers in the trapping industry.

The way the program will work is there will be a slight increase of payment to harvesters who bring in pelts to Renewable Resources. There will be a first payment and then a second payment which will follow in the following year, in the following fall of the harvesting season. For example, for trappers who trap this winter will receive a first payment when they bring pelts into the department and they will also receive a second payment in the fall of next year, in 1995. Regardless of whether they bring the fur into Renewable Resources or into private vendors, they will receive the second payment, based on the number of furs they are able to sell. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This program seems to be a good program, but I don't really know how it is going to work. I'm sure the department has trained its people to implement this new program. I would like to ask the Minister, who, in this department, will be involved in this new program and have these people been trained to provide this new service? Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. As we speak, the renewable resources officers as well as regional offices, should be distributing information on the new program to all interested harvesters. All members of the staff of the Department of Renewable Resources are aware and understand the program. They have been instructed to deliver the program and to explain to harvesters what the program is about. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister. Regarding the fur incentive subsidy, the trappers would catch the animal, skin the animal, stretch the fur, let it dry and once it is done, bring the fur in. That is when they get graded on what kinds of prices they receive for them. But, to begin the season, this department had a program which gave incentive grants to trappers. I would like to ask the

Minister if that grant is still in place and if it takes into account the conditions we discussed last year where an average of five years was taken for trappers who have been going out every year and that average was given as the fur incentive grant. Thank you.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The trapper incentive program which is run by the government will be ending this year. Last year, payments for harvesters were given. And, a payment has been sent to each of the trappers who participated in the program last year. This occurred towards the end of October, 1994. The way the new program will work is, for example white fox, a first payment of approximately $25 dollars will be given to a trapper for a good quality pelt that is brought into Renewable Resources.

As a second payment in the fall, a trapper will receive $13 for a total price of $38. However, the second payment will not go out to the trapper until the following fall; so, in October of 1995 the trapper will receive the extra $13. For every pelt the trapper brings into either a private vendor or Renewable Resources, they will receive the $13. This will be the same for seals, to a maximum of 5,000 pelts, white fox, coloured fox, marten, mink, beaver and muskrat. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . There are people in this city, since we live quite close to the barrenlands, who have taken small trees which may be several hundred years old and have tried to duplicate the Japanese art of bonsai, the creation of trees of rare beauty. I would like to ask the Minister whether his department has done any feasibility work on such a project as a way of using our renewable resources. These little trees, in some cases, have been around for many, many hundreds of years.

Some local people have developed this art and I want to know if his department has taken an interest in this particular line of economic activity.

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Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Once I was a Japanese suicide pilot...

---Laughter

I understand what the honourable Member is talking about. No, Madam Speaker, we haven't taken any interest in growing little trees, but we would be only too happy to assist those creative entrepreneurs who may be able to scratch a small living out of doing this.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Since from time to time I give advice to my constituents on areas that I have some knowledge in, Madam Speaker, and since people may be taking these little trees from an area that doesn't belong to them and transplanting them to make them grow, does the Minister know whether this is a legal or illegal poaching of trees?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Mr. Lewis , I am having a problem with your question. Any question posed to any Minister should be under the direct responsibility of their ministerial portfolio. You may want to rephrase your question or I will have to rule it out of order. Mr. Lewis .

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

I will try again. It is a difficult area, Madam Speaker, because economic activity cuts across so many boundaries. I would like to ask the Minister whether he knows of any regulation that prevents the removal of an economic resource from an area where this particular resource is available?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I am not aware of any regulations as it relates to the pilfering of bonsai trees, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Health . Over the past few years, there has been a lot of concern raised about the medevac services in the Northwest Territories. I am under the impression that this issue is under study or was to be studied in some kind of report prepared for this Assembly. Can the Minister advise this House as to what the status is of the review of medevac services in the Northwest Territories?

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Acting Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, this issue was looked at and some medevac standards were arrived at. The commitment of the government was that once those standards were arrived at, they would be

discussed with the industry and the industry would have input into a new medevac policy for the Northwest Territories.

The status at the present time is that those guidelines were developed and they are now being discussed with the health boards. The health boards want to have some more input into it. I anticipate that by the end of this year, all that data would have been gathered and put into a report. So early next year, Madam Speaker, the consultation process will begin with the industry itself. I am confident that the Minister of Health will be able to put a report into this House in the winter session. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

It is a major cost concern because a majority of our money in the health care system is being spent on medevacs. I am pleased that the department is proceeding in terms of consultation and involving people who are impacted by the services. What work has been done to involve them in this review?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, the concerns of the different regions and communities across the Northwest Territories are being channelled through the health boards. It is hoped that in that way we will know what the community and regional concerns are. So that is being done through the health boards, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

In the meantime, I will have to assume that it is business as usual and that much of the services and disputes as to the jurisdiction and different areas are just continuing as they were last year.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, I think, in going through the process and looking at the medevac standards, et cetera, it has made us all more aware of each other's problems, whether we are a board, patient or nurse practitioner trying to load someone onto an aircraft. We have all learned that there are problems out there. That has been instrumental in solving some of the problems, particularly in communication. Yes, we are still working on the same regime that was there before, except that we are more knowledgable about the

problems. We may be compensating for some of those problems in our own way. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. In communities that have access to roads, they also provide road medevacs by road vehicles. When we were visiting communities on the Special Committee on Health and Social Services, we saw the condition of some vehicles that were being used for medevac purposes. Is anything going to be done to look at that aspect of provision of medevac services? Are you looking at vehicles and their condition to upgrade them?

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John Pollard

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Madam Speaker, the Member is correct. Across the Northwest Territories the condition of vehicles, the kinds of services that are available -- and I talk about paramedics versus other people who are perhaps not as well trained -- varies across the Northwest Territories. Health boards and communities have raised this issue to the department and the department is looking at the situation, not only in the air, but on the road as well. I might say, Madam Speaker, that in communities that would be serviced by aircraft for medevac, there is still the concern of ambulance services within that community. So the department is looking at it, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Public Works and Services . I would like to thank the Minister for his answer today about the modified gross lease approach to the acquisition of office space in Yellowknife. I noted in his answer that with this new form of lease in Yellowknife, operations and maintenance payments will be adjusted annually based on changes in the Canadian consumer price index. My understanding is that that is forecast over the next year to be two per cent or less of an increase.

Given the Power Corporation's application for a 22 per cent rate increase, if that rate increase is approved, it will cause significant difficulty to people who have these leases because they will only be able to go up by the Canadian percentage,

whereas the Yellowknife percentage may go up significantly more. If something like a big rate increase in power rates were to be approved, would the Minister reopen these leases and renegotiate the operation and maintenance portion of it?

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Mr. Dent , the question appears to be hypothetical, in my view. I would like to ask if you would like to rephrase it? The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I will try it in a different way, then. Do the gross leases now in use in Yellowknife allow for adjustments outside of the Canadian consumer price index, in the event that the Yellowknife consumer price index is significantly higher?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. No.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Would the Minister agree that there is potential for great difficulty to be placed on a leaseholder in the event of such a situation?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Could I have the Member repeat his question please, I didn't hear him.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The question is, does the Minister recognize that there is potential for significant impact on leaseholders in a situation such as that, in other words, where the Yellowknife consumer price index increases at a much greater rate than the Canadian consumer price index?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes, I do recognize that the Yellowknife price index could be different than the Canadian price index. Thank you.

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Page 751

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Is the Minister, then, still saying that there is no reason to re-examine the use of these leases and change from the Canadian consumer price index to a Yellowknife consumer price index, when it comes to the operations and maintenance portion?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Page 751

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't think it is necessary to do that. The Department of Public Works has modified the gross lease approach. People who are leasing office space to us will get paid the base rent and for all the operations and maintenance, the prepayments will be adjusted annually according to the Canadian consumer price index. If there is any change in cost, for example if the price of power or fuel go up higher than that, then those leases will be paid anyway. That is how the leases are drawn up. This is just a holding figure they get paid annually. That's all it is.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for High Arctic , Mr. Pudluk .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 751

Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Renewable Resources a question. In my constituency apparently there was a person who was trying to hunt a caribou in a Coast Guard helicopter in our waters. He was with a biologist at the time. I am wondering how many caribou this particular person caught. Does the Minister know anything about this? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am quite aware of what the Member is asking about, but I will look into the matter further and get back to him. I will look into the matter about the people who were in the Coast Guard helicopter hunting caribou, and I will get back to the Member for High Arctic . Thank you.

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. Supplementary to my question. I'm sure the hunters and trappers in my area can be blamed for mishaps when it comes to caribou hunting when outsiders hunt caribou in our area. Can the Minister of Renewable Resources inform the communities that hunting caribou might be illegal in some areas? Would the Minister inform the hunters and trappers, as well, about the consequences if illegal hunting of caribou occurs in a community? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. With regard to caribou hunting, I will be

informing all communities and the hunters in the communities who will be affected by this. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Question 344-12(6): Construction Of Correctional Facility In Fort Providence

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 752

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. (Translation) I have a question for the Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi . On Monday we found out that $15 million is coming to us. That is a lot of money. Native people think that is a lot of money. In Fort Providence last spring, a person said that perhaps a prison could be built there. He said maybe we can work on this. We talked to the mayors and talked about it. We went to the site where they want the prison built. But, up to today, nothing has happened. With all this money, the question is how they can build something that is so big. There isn't enough money.

That's why I want to ask him, are they still talking about building a prison in Providence, or is there not enough money for that?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

I will just ask Members to bear with us, until there is a translator available.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

(Translation) When I went over to Providence, I had a meeting there with the people, and this is what the people at Providence said. There is a place not too far from Providence, along the Mackenzie River. They looked at that old Con site, so maybe we could build our prison there. Maybe we could gather some more and talk about it. If we work together we could come to some kind of agreement on that.

We went up the Mackenzie River by boat and we looked at that location. Then, not too long ago, the DPW gave us back a report. They told us that it's going to be really expensive to rebuild a site there. I was under the impression that they could fix it up; so, my colleagues and I had a meeting, and we came up with $3 million. Maybe with $3 million we'll be able to start something in that location for next year. But for now we have to start planning. If there is going to be a prison for women, for young offenders, small prisons for different people, how many people would be working there?

They will run through different kinds of planning actions, then how will you work on it, how will you go through the development of this planning? So we could give you a figure to work with, and for now you could plan that out so that everybody who is present now will know where it's at.

Maybe Providence will be included in there, maybe McPherson, Aklavik, we don't know yet what is going to happen, who is going to be first. We have to plan it yet, we have to make a report on it first. After that, we could start having more meetings and discussions on it. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

(Translation) Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I want to ask the Minister of Justice , when you build things, power and fuel and everything that is included in the house are very expensive. I've already said this before. When you build a prison that big, maybe you don't need some of these things. They could use wood or they could live the traditional lifestyle of Dene people. Now, Madam Speaker, many of the people who are in the prisons now, it's like they live in glass houses, they don't work. Maybe if they were out working, cutting wood and things like that, maybe they would feel useful.

Living in a prison, maybe if they lived the traditional ways they might change their ways. That is why I want to ask him, if they could work at things like that; if you think the white way you lose the traditional Dene lifestyle. That is why I want to say if you build a prison and they live the traditional Dene lifestyle in the prisons, maybe they will change their ways. Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

How the work would be done on it and how it shall be maintained. If we have other people work on this for us, they can work on a plan and then we can still discuss further on how it could be made better.

The members of the communities close to the facilities should be the ones to decide on the maintenance and who would be working in the facilities, being local and community members they would be employing. It would be almost the same as the way they are running the Yellowknife facility. If that prison is built in the future, if we would like to make changes or make further recommendations this is what will be discussed.

If people have any concerns, we can sit down with them and have a discussion on how we could fix it, how the facilities will be built, how much money will be spent, who would be working in the facilities, the whole process of building this prison will be up to the community members. Thank you.

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Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .

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Question 345-12(6): Devolution Of Programs From Fisheries And Oceans

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 753

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Madam Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Renewable Resources . Madam Speaker, there were reports coming out of Ottawa that the federal Department of Fisheries and Oceans is contemplating significant cutbacks. The reports also state that the Minister is looking at the possibility of turning over certain responsibilities to the provinces. Madam Speaker, my question to the Minister, has the Minister looked at the opportunities that this might give us as far as taking over federal programs from the federal Department of Fisheries and Oceans?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes, we are looking at how we might be able to take over some areas that the Department of Fisheries and Oceans is responsible for. At the present time, we have not come to a conclusion about what areas of the department we will be able to work with. My deputy minister will be meeting with the deputy minister of the Department of Fisheries and Oceans within the next three weeks in Ottawa and I believe they will be starting discussions at that time. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 753

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. There are two concepts that we deal with when we deal with Ottawa. One is devolution and one off loading. The only difference is devolution means there are still resources to give to us and off-loading means they transfer when all the resources have been stripped. I would like to ask the Minister, is he looking at exploring the possibilities of devolution with the federal Fisheries Minister?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. At the present time, I believe the Department of Fisheries and Oceans will continue to operate offices in the Northwest Territories that have to do with marine fisheries. However, I believe it is the intention of the Minister to transfer freshwater fisheries to the Department of the Environment. The time frame and the specific areas that will be transferred, I am not aware of at this point. It is our intent to start these discussions at the deputy minister level and find out exactly what it is that the Government of the Northwest Territories would be able to take over. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you. Could I have the assurances of the Minister that he will move quickly on this issue before federal cutbacks descend upon us like Attila the Hun. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have the assurance of the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, Mr. Tobin, that all the offices that are in the marine fisheries division of the department will continue to be employed by the department. With changes that will be taking place as far as freshwater fisheries are concerned, my deputy minister has confirmed that he will be meeting with the deputy minister of the Department of Fisheries and Oceans within the next three weeks. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine .

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Question 346-12(6): Pricing Of Wild Furs

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 753

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Madam Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Renewable Resources . It has to do with the fur industry. As we all know, we have been involved in the fur industry for many years in the Northwest Territories. This new incentive subsidy the Minister is talking about, is good to help out trappers to get a better price for their furs, but I think we have to look further than that for the fur industry.

As you know, our wild furs in the north are very good quality furs and what we have been doing in the north is sending our furs south to fur auction sales. Our fur is mixed with other furs from southern Canada, and a lot of these furs are farm furs. The way I see it, our trappers are not getting their due price for their furs because their furs drop in price to bring the price of southern furs up. I would like to ask the Minister if his department is doing anything to try to get better prices for the trappers in the north because of our wild furs. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. At the present time, the Department of Renewable Resources will follow with the fur strategy that was tabled in the Legislative Assembly. The first step the department is taking is hiring a person who will train in a fur grading centre and learn to properly grade fur. This, I believe, will be the first step towards being able to identify wild furs that are harvested from the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for that answer, but I need to clarify what he means by the first step. By hiring a trainer so our people in the north will be able to grade furs, what stage are we on in this first step? Has this trainer been hired? Has there been a competition for that? Are people identified to take this course? What stage are we on in this first step? Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. At the present time, I believe the department is putting together a description of what the trainee would be doing. Exactly where they are at this point, I'm not certain. I believe they will be having discussions with a fur grading centre, though I'm not aware where they are in those discussions at this point. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I've been interested in the fur industry for many years. There are a lot of people in my constituency and in the rest of the Northwest Territories involved in the fur industry. At this time of year, people are getting ready to go out and start trapping. Every year for many years, we have been trapping fur and sending them south. The way I see it, and from learning as much I could in the last few years through international travel and so forth about the fur industry, I think our trappers are not getting a good price for their fur because we are locked into sending our furs to an auction down south.

Is there any way in the fur industry to try to identify northern furs as exclusive furs so that we have better prices for our trappers? Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes, the department has had discussions with the various fur grading centres and have tried to set up a system where the fur grading centres would be able to keep the NWT furs separate from other furs. But, at this time, we are not aware that this will be possible. It is something that the department is working on, to keep furs harvested in the Northwest Territories separate from furs harvested elsewhere. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Final supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Madam Speaker, the furs that our trappers get in the north are top-quality furs. I think they should be regarded as exclusive furs, and therefore, the prices for them should be at the top level of pricing. I would like to ask the Minister if he's aware of the condition of the fur market today? Is it improving, staying the same, or decreasing? Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I fully agree with the Member that our furs in the Northwest Territories are some of the best in the world. I hope that we will continue to show that we have top-quality furs that are going out on the market. At the present time, Madam Speaker, I am not certain what the exact prices are on fur, but I know the price of fur has increased slightly. The price on fur varies from year to year. I know the price on fur that is sold to the fur grading centres is higher than they were a number of years ago, and whether it will continue to rise, I am not certain. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Question 347-12(6): Community Standards For Rating Tv Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 754

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Justice . Parents have difficulty these days in deciding what they should allow their children to watch on television. You can simply turn the switch off or cut the cable off. Each province decides what the community standard is before they rate films. In the NWT, since we don't have any such body to decide what the rating should be and whether it is all right for a five year old or a certain age group to watch a particular film, how do we determine what the community standard is? Do we have any kind of way of deciding what the rating should be of films that come to the NWT?

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, I will take the question as notice.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Question 348-12(6): Protection Of Women From Defense Of Drunkenness

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 754

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Over the past week, there have been a lot of concerns raised about the behaviour of people from the affects of alcohol and in line with the rulings of the court of Alberta and the Supreme Court of Canada. These rulings are dealing with extreme drunkenness and the behaviour caused by that. This is of great concern to residents in the north, in particular to women. I would like to ask the Minister who is responsible for the Status of Women, what

activity is the Minister's department doing to raise this issue with our federal counterparts, so that we can offer protection to the women of the north?

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Acting Minister responsible for Status of Women, Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I, too, heard the concern on CBC Radio. I don't know what the department is doing. As far as I know, there is one woman who works at the Status of Women and that is Bertha Norwegian. I will work with the Minister of Justice to write to our federal counterparts and let them know that we are disgusted with the rulings that came out in Alberta; that is, people are getting away with abusing women by pleading that they are drunk and insane. That is abuse of the justice system and it should be corrected. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Is the Minister aware of any other work that has been done between our territorial officials and other provincial officials responsible for women's issues, to try to develop a common strategy to review these rulings.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Acting Minister of the Status of Women, Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am not aware right now what our government is doing in conjunction with other governments to create a strategy. I will ask the women's directorate what they are doing and I will get back to the Member. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Question 349-12(6): Incorporating Aboriginal Customs In Legislation

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Justice . As most Members are aware, we just passed a Custom Adoption Recognition Act that puts the aboriginal customs into white laws. Is the Minister's department looking at ways of accommodating aboriginal standards? In other words, I have made reference to the aboriginal corrections facility, but we are still governed by building codes, fire codes, safety codes, health codes, electrical codes and so on. I would like to know if in the future, we will be able to make facilities without the application of all these codes, in order to accommodate aboriginal facilities?

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, the question seems to be premised on a statement the Member is making, in which he states but doesn't define what he means by "white law." This Legislature passes a great number of pieces of legislation, with full participation from all Members, aboriginal and non-aboriginal, including the Member himself.

The definition of "white law" as he calls it, needs to be defined by the Member before we can respond to his question. Thank you.

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