Debates of May 28th, 1997

This is page numbers 1157 - 1192 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was communities .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

The Northern Employment Strategy

Providing Opportunities For Students And Youth

Settlement Allowance

Power Corporation Division Plans

Flood Preparedness In The Mackenzie Delta

Government Contracting Policies

Preparations For Division

Addressing Western Concerns About Division

Municipal Service Problems In Grise Fiord

Potential Telephone Service Competition

Replacement Of Keewatin Dental Therapists

Need For Partnerships In Northern Governance

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Moving Airstrip In Pangnirtung

Settlement Allowance For Unionized Employees

Flood Preparedness Plan For Aklavik

Nwtel Rate Increase

Report On Government Contracting

Grise Fiord Water Treatment Plant

Crtc Intervention On Nwtel Application

Settlement Allowance Arbitration Process

Baker Lake School Extension

Settlement Allowance Dispute

Clyde River Adult Education Centre

South Slave Re-fueling Facilities

Auditor General's Report

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Revert To Item 10: Petitions

Bill 18:

An Act To Amend The Territorial Hospital Insurance Act No. 2

Policy On Non-competitive Contracts

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Bill 14: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1997/98

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Third Reading Of Bills

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Good afternoon. Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 77-13(4): The Northern Employment Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during the past two years it has been all too rare to hear good news about new program spending. For reasons all Members know well, it has been my responsibility to present the sobering, if not always popular, facts of this government's difficult financial situation. Our government was determined to lead, rather than be led, by circumstances seemingly beyond our control. But today I have the privilege of reporting that the last 18 months of difficult decisions and wise choices are beginning to pay off.

Responsible and prudent fiscal management has allowed us to reallocate government funds. Funds that we have raised from the sale of our property holdings such as staff housing are being reinvested in people and in community economic development and job creation.

Mr. Speaker, after consultation with my colleagues in the House who identified the need for such a program, I am pleased to announce today the launch of the Northern Employment Strategy. This $16 million, in each of the next two years, is a focused action plan to stimulate job creation, economic growth and labour force development. It is specifically targeted to young people and those out of work - people out of hope - people who need a reason to believe in themselves and to believe in a better future.

Certainly, the challenges facing our communities are great. Whether we talk about unemployment, school drop-out, teenage pregnancy, alcohol and solvent abuse, crime or suicide rates, northern communities account for some of the most alarming statistics in the country. Clearly, Mr. Speaker, we cannot wait for our economic futures and fortunes to improve before we act. We face a socio-economic crisis that demands an urgent response.

I am confident the Northern Employment Strategy will go a long way to providing that response. Here is how it will work. The GNWT will directly support private sector and community economic development initiatives which:

- Stimulate immediate job and work experience opportunities, particularly for summer students and youth;

- Provide new job and work-related educational opportunities to social assistance recipients and unemployed residents; or,

- Offer training and technical support to build capacity within individual communities.

We will invest in seed initiatives that result in increased private sector access to equity capital and debt financing programs. This, in turn, will stimulate partnerships that lever other sources of funding to optimize access to capital, job creation, skills development and economic activity.

If approved by this Legislative Assembly, the Northern Employment Strategy will invest $16 million in departmental programs. When combined with existing budgets, this means a total of $30 million will be strategically invested in community, economic and labour force development initiatives this year. A further $8 million is projected to be levered through contributions from partnerships and client equity. A minimum of $12.5 million in project funds is expected to be spent on NWT goods and services.

As a result, at least 43,000 work weeks of employment -- the equivalent of 1,072 full-time jobs or $17 million in payroll -- will be created, this year alone. With the infusion of an additional $16 million in the next fiscal year, we anticipate even greater results.

Mr. Speaker, the Northern Employment Strategy will be coordinated and co-managed by the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment and the Financial Management Board Secretariat. These three departments will work together to reduce red tape and get more mileage out of every government dollar. They will maximize benefits to communities by offering an integrated one window access to capital and skills development opportunities to meet immediate job creation needs and to stimulate long-term economic growth.

Communities are the key to the success of the strategy. Consistent with this government's commitment to community empowerment, the Northern Employment Strategy will strengthen community efforts to achieve greater self-sufficiency and to improve social and economic conditions.

It will increase support for empowerment initiatives by providing the necessary advisory, human resource development, planning support and programming. It will give business, industry and communities the tools and flexibility they require to make wise economic decisions that will lead to the responsible management of our resources.

Mr. Speaker, we know the GNWT is no longer the engine of the economy. Business and community development drive economic growth, and are the lifeblood of job creation in a sustainable economy. We know, too, that the only lasting solutions to community challenges are invariably homegrown. That is why community-based and regional organizations, working in partnership with local private sector interests, will have control over project design, development and, more importantly, delivery.

With these new powers come new responsibilities. Communities will now be held accountable for the outcomes of their employment strategies. Achievable targets have been identified and projects will be measured against these standards to assess whether initiatives produce the expected results.

This represents a significant shift in the government's approach to how programs are delivered and how results are achieved. In today's difficult economy, it is essential that we focus our energies and resources on strategies that demonstrate the best performance. It is also important to note that the additional $16 million, this year and next, will build on what ever works. In the interests of efficiency and cost effectiveness, most of the funds will go to six existing programs with the reminder being reinvested in two new initiatives. The monies will be allocated as follows:

- $3 million to the Business Development Fund, to stimulate business growth through business planning, creation, marketing and the development of business skills;

- $3 million to Community Futures, to replenish community funds that have been exhausted and to expand the program into the Sahtu, Deh Cho, Kitikmeot and North Slave regions;

- $2 million to the Community Initiatives Program, which supports community-based projects such as community wellness, municipal infrastructure, student programs and pathways;

- $2 million to the GNWT/Canada Infrastructure Initiative, to revitalize local infrastructure, provide skills training, work experience and short-term jobs to individuals in the community;

- $2 million to investing in people, which helps individuals become more employable through adult basic education and personnel development;

- $2 million to Working Together, Youth at Work which will provide subsidies to employers who hire students or young people;

- $1.5 million to the Community Empowerment Development Fund to support municipal governments as they take on more responsibilities transferred from the GNWT; and,

- $500,000 in grants to small businesses which are geared to individuals - typically social assistance recipients - who are unable to access larger business programs.

I remind this House that these are not new dollars. They are reinvested dollars. Dollars re-directed to areas of greatest need. We are making strategic investments, investing in people, providing incentives for learning, encouraging self-reliance and creating opportunities for economic growth and lasting employment. We are increasing our investments where it counts, in the areas that will make the most difference over the longer term. More to the point, we are putting our investment in people first.

Mr. Speaker, I am not suggesting the Northern Employment Strategy will be a panacea. Our needs are great and funding is still scarce. But it is a critical first step on the path to greater economic growth and self-sufficiency for northern communities.

I want to thank my colleagues, the Honourable Charles Dent , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi and Honourable Manitok Thompson for the productive partnerships which have made this important new initiative possible. I would also like to recognize the role of the Standing Committee on Government Operations in identifying the need to develop a comprehensive northern employment strategy and their advice in the development of this strategy.

Mr. Speaker, every Member of this Legislature can take pride in this accomplishment. Our collective commitment to fiscal responsibility to making difficult, but ultimately the right choices, has allowed us to make this progress. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Minister's Statement 77-13(4): The Northern Employment Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 78-13(4): Providing Opportunities For Students And Youth

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, as the Minister of Finance has just said this government is committed to helping students and youth find meaningful employment. Two months ago, along with my honourable colleague, Mr. Erasmus , I was pleased to announce a new initiative of my department called Working Together: Providing Opportunities for Students and Youth. Mr. Speaker, the funding for Working Together was part of the

Northern Employment Strategy just announced by the Finance Minister a few minutes ago.

This two-part program is aimed at helping post-secondary and senior high school students in their search for summer work, and at young people who have been unemployed for at least three months. Working Together provides wage subsidies to employers to help offset the costs of hiring students and/or youth with limited skills. Although the program has been in existence for less than two months, it is already a resounding success.

To date, 110 contracts have been written with northern employers. This represents jobs for 332 students and youth. The two-year program is expected to generate 10,000 work weeks of employment.

-- Applause

Student and youth employment is a critical challenge for the Northwest Territories. However, government cannot meet that challenge on its own. We are pleased with the level of co-operation we have experienced so far with employers. We continue to seek partnerships with private sector employers, municipal governments, band councils and other non-governmental organizations to get more youth and students working.

Mr. Speaker, together, we can ensure that youth acquire the skills and knowledge they need to increase their employability and in the longer term, make a successful transition from school to work. Thank you.

-- Applause

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Minister's Statement 78-13(4): Providing Opportunities For Students And Youth

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Mr. Ootes . Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 78-13(4): Providing Opportunities For Students And Youth

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to rule 34(5);

I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Amittuq that the Minister's Statement 77-13(4), entitled "The Northern Employment Strategy" be moved into committee of the whole for further discussion. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 78-13(4): Providing Opportunities For Students And Youth

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The motion is in order. Question has been called. All those in favour of the motion, signify. Down please, thank you. Opposed? The motion is carried. Minister's statement 77-13(4) will be moved into the committee of the whole for today. Thank you.

I would like to take this opportunity to recognize one of our young men, Mr. Jay Bran, who is our deputy Sergeant-at-Arms. Jay is a student who is attending Langara College in Vancouver and is taking environmental studies. I would also like to recognize Jay's parents, Mrs. Eleanor and Mr. Barry Bran, who are sitting in the Gallery today. Welcome.

-- Applause

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. On behalf of Mr. Picco and our colleagues, Members of this Legislature I would like to wish a happy birthday to one of the Pages from Iqaluit, Alex Stubbing. Happy birthday.

-- Applause

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 335-13(4): Settlement Allowance

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My Member's statement today deals with the long outstanding issue of settlement allowances as it affects the communities of Fort Smith, Hay River and Yellowknife. There is an ongoing difference between the union and the government about whether settlement allowances should have been paid to unionized employees in these communities. Excuse me. I have been watching my colleague Seamus in public speaking and I am starting to regress.

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Member's Statement 335-13(4): Settlement Allowance

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . I would like to remind all Members again, in recognition of the dignity of the House, a Member of the House cannot use another Member's first name. You should use the last name, in respect of other Members. Thank you. Madam Groenewegen, Member for Hay River .

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Member's Statement 336-13(4): Power Corporation Division Plans

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as Members of the Assembly we have access to an abundance of information that we try to stay ahead of. I can only imagine that it is difficult for the public to keep informed and decipher fact from fiction with the information that they glean through our public proceedings, through the media et cetera. Today, Mr. Speaker, I would like to assist the public by clarifying an issue dealing with the Northwest Territories Power Corporation, based on concerns which have been raised to me by the public.

Several months ago, after the release of Footprints in the Snow 2 and after a very comprehensive briefing of Members by senior officials of the Power Corporation, there was general agreement by the GNWT, federal government and NTI that the Power Corporation would remain as a single entity. The two new governments would be the shareholders. This general agreement, in my opinion, addressed the immediate future of the Power Corporation's operations. However, it would appear that a persistent myth in the west that we are subsidizing power rates in Nunavut is still out there. This myth, in turn, feeds ongoing debate surrounding division of the Power Corporation.

It is important for the public to understand the following points: First, the rate structure of the NWT Power Corporation is such that there is no, I repeat, no cross subsidy between Nunavut and the West. Each rate zone supports itself. Secondly, there is a subsidy for power rates, but that subsidy is through the territorial Power Support Program, not the NWT Power Corporation. The Power Corporation neither administers nor has any authority over this support program.

Quite frankly, I find the often revisiting and reopening of this issue to be disturbing. First of all, it appears that a part of the discussion is predicated on misinformation regarding cross subsidization. It creates confusion, not to mention apprehension on the part of the employees and it is very likely driven by individuals representing interests relating to privatization which only complicates matters at this junction in time. It also takes away time that should be spent on the many outstanding issues relating to division. I hope that this information provides some clarification to the public. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Member's Statement 336-13(4): Power Corporation Division Plans

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Madam Groenewegen. Members' statements. I have the honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 337-13(4): Flood Preparedness In The Mackenzie Delta

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is regarding the situation the people of Aklavik find themselves in again this year, where they are presently on flood watch because of the high water in the Mackenzie Valley and also in the Delta. I think that one thing we can say, watching on the television about what is happening in the United States, Manitoba and the Peace River Basin, that it is better to be proactive rather than reactive in regard to floods.

I think we have to have a mechanism in place to ensure that we protect not only the residents of those communities, but the property and the infrastructure we presently have in those communities to ensure there is adequate infrastructure built in those communities, such as we have seen carried out in Manitoba to protect the property of individuals and also the city of Winnipeg.

This government has to take an effective approach through it's Emergency Measures Act and ensure that when they build infrastructure for those communities who are in flood areas, the adequate infrastructure is built. Instead of failed reactions to floods, we should have adequate arrangements built in those communities when we put infrastructure there such as dykes and whatnot, and also have adequate drainage systems so when it does flood, it does not cause individual homes to be flooded or property to be damaged. I believe this government should take an active role in developing a policy and also developing infrastructure with the understanding of where that infrastructure is being built.

Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be asking the appropriate Minister a question regarding emergency measures and also, in the case of Aklavik, to ensure that resources are made available to that community to develop proper infrastructure. Instead of reacting to floods, let us be proactive and put something there to protect them. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 338-13(4): Government Contracting Policies

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. After the last session of this House, I was invited to speak at the annual meeting of the NWT Construction Association. This was in response to my comments on sole source and negotiated contracts. Now the association represents a cross

section of firms from across the Northwest Territories, small ones, large ones, engineering firms, architects, suppliers and contractors. At this meeting, 75 people were present, Mr. Speaker. After my presentation, we had a question and answer period. One of the questions I posed was how many people here are in favour of sole source and negotiated contracts and see a benefit to it? Not one hand went up, Mr. Speaker, out of 75 people there.

-- Applause

Now, the association itself has taken quite an aggressive stand in supporting public tendering systems. While I am not against sole source and negotiated contracts on a 100 percent basis, I feel that there is need for clarification of the policy. Now, since Mr. Picco 's motion last year, seconded by myself, the government produced an initial report but now has produced this particular report. It is the latest one and I have to compliment the government. I do not go out of my way to compliment the government much, except yesterday and today, and this is an excellent report. It provides all the data that we have been seeking. At the back is a

summary, tabulated in sole source, negotiated and tendered in columns of where they went. I think it is very, very valuable. My compliments.

However, what it does point out that while we have come a long way, we have a great many sole source and negotiated contracts and that is of concern. It is the percentage of sole source contracts that are of concern to me. We need clarification of the conditions under which those are let, and then address the concern about the quantity. We need to reduce the quantity of sole source and negotiated contracts, Mr. Speaker, because the system and volume is building resentment amongst a number of businesses in our communities.

I want to watch that we do not create a system of corporate support which is available to some, but not to others. If we could address that, Mr. Speaker. And we want to ensure we have...

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Mr. Ootes , your allotted time has elapsed. Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I am finished.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Henry . Thank you.

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Member's Statement 339-13(4): Preparations For Division

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when I came to this legislative building approximately 18 months ago, there were many issues my constituents wanted me to address. One of these issues was preparation for division. There was a feeling that Nunavut was well on its way with a clear vision and lots of support from the federal and the territorial governments. People did not think the west was getting equal treatment. They told me they were worried that the west would not be properly represented when it came time to divide the pie. The hot topic was assets and liabilities.

Over the past year, I have looked at the assets and liabilities and reviewed the papers prepared by the government. Like most MLAs, I do not see major concerns in this area. Most of the assets and liabilities are quite straightforward as to how they should be divided. It is very clear how they should be divided, with the exception of a couple or three items.

People then told me they were worried about material changes between the two territories. Again, I have looked at this and it is not going to be a big deal, Mr. Speaker. The Members of the Legislative Assembly have spent the last week reviewing the initial division costings of the two new governments. We were prepared for some significant differences in opinion between eastern and western Members, but it never happened. There are not many trouble spots, just more technical details. I am convinced that there are not very many areas where east and west will have major differences.

There is not a big fight coming, Mr. Speaker. What we do have is a lot of work to do to get people and programs in place in both territories by April 1, 1999.

I am aware of the fears of some western residents about division and what it will mean. One of the things that I have done with the support of my colleagues in the Western Caucus of the Assembly is to become involved with the Western Coalition. This group is working hard, yes very hard, Mr. Speaker, and it is focused with working with other parties to make division happen as smoothly as possible. Mr. Speaker, there is lots being done to prepare for division both east and west. If we can stay focused and not get sidetracked by unnecessary tangents, we will be ready. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Henry . The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 340-13(4): Addressing Western Concerns About Division

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak on the issue of division and the concern that was raised from Members of the west not only in this Assembly, but outside of this Assembly when it comes to businesses and other people. Mr. Speaker, as we heard earlier, a Western Coalition was formed and through that I represent the Members of the Western Caucus. This coalition was formed early last winter and began on the road of looking at issues that would affect the west when it comes to division.

The partnership is made up of the Aboriginal Summit, the NWT Chamber of Commerce, and the NWT Association of Municipalities. All of the western groups of those bodies are represented at the table. I am trying to bring information out here to show people of the west that we are definitely working to ensure that, as division comes, what we have today as services and programs continue to exist after division.

I think the same would be going for the east as they go about their work to ensure that we have no less after division than we have today. We struggled through hard times as we have heard earlier when it comes to balancing the budget. I think we have a long road to go, but with the continued cooperation and effort of all parts of the coalition and the Assembly we can get through this without much difficulty. There will be a lot of work and there will be pick-ups along the way, but through hard work and a good effort from all parts, I am sure that we will be able to see compromises come and reach conclusions in the necessary time that we are allotted.

So to let the people of the west know that we are at work not only as an Assembly, but as people from the west to make sure that we look at what impacts will come down because of division. We will look out for the best interests of the western population as well as I am sure the eastern groups will be doing for the east. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 340-13(4): Addressing Western Concerns About Division

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. The honourable Member for High Arctic , Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 341-13(4): Municipal Service Problems In Grise Fiord

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1161

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Qujannamiik. (Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to make a Member's statement in regards to the residents of Grise Fiord. They have had problems with their municipal services such as water delivery. I would like to state that even though the community is relatively small, it is growing every year because of high birth rates. At the appropriate time, I would like to ask the Minister of MACA questions regarding my statement. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 342-13(4): Potential Telephone Service Competition

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1162

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, northern telephone users will soon find out what type of savings they will experience from long distance calling charges. The CRTC has requested NorthwesTel to submit by May 30th a plan that will bring competition to the long distance service in northern Canada. As of today, NorthwesTel is the only legal provider of long distance in the Yukon and the Northwest Territories. The reason for this submission is because a southern based company, specializing in long distance carrier rates, filed a complaint about the NorthwesTel monopoly.

What has happened to date is that telephone companies charge higher long distance rates and this extra revenue was used to offset the cost of local service. Here in the north, NorthwesTel's local phone rates have continually increased over the past few years as a result of CRTC approval for rate rebalancing. The new submission as requested by CRTC could mean dramatic increases to the local phone rates. As one of the largest customers of NorthwesTel does the GNWT have a position on the plan to bring competition to the long distance market and has the GNWT looked at the implications if local users costs continue to rise?

Mr. Speaker, with job reductions, wage rollbacks, increased water and sewage costs, et cetera to the average GNWT resident, what will the impact of increased local phone rates have? For business and government, what will the extra cost of business be? Who will pay this extra cost? Will the cost be turned over to the consumer? Mr. Speaker, NorthwesTel must make its proposal available for public inspection during normal working hours at every NorthwesTel business office but who will be representing the local resident? The consumer?

There is only one public meeting scheduled for the Northwest Territories and that is here in Yellowknife on June 24, 1997. Later today, I will be asking the appropriate Minister questions on this matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Picco . The honourable Member for Kivallivik , Mr. O'Brien .

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Member's Statement 343-13(4): Replacement Of Keewatin Dental Therapists

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1162

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, once again today I rise on a sad note. Mr. Speaker, over the past ten years, dental therapists have been working, educating and caring for students in the Keewatin schools. Mr. Speaker, at the end of this month, it is the intention of the Keewatin Health Board to terminate the dental therapists and replace them with a dentist. Mr. Speaker, I do not know the details as to what services will be delivered, how many hours the dentist will serve. I can tell you that most of the communities do not want this change. They are happy with the level of service that they presently enjoy.

Most of these individuals, these therapists, have worked for the past ten to 12 years in the school system with the children. The parents and the teaching staff are very happy with them. They would like to see the system stay as it is.

Mr. Speaker, the concerns of the communities, the hamlets have been made known to the health boards. This week we received letters from the hamlets and the hamlet councils stating that they did not want this system changed. They want it left the way it presently is. Up to this point, Mr. Speaker, there has been no change in the direction of the decision by the health board. They are still forging on with their decision to impose this new concept.

Mr. Speaker, it was only eight months ago that this government tried to impose a new Keewatin resupply system on the Keewatin people. The response by the mayors and the hamlets was that they did not agree with the new proposal. They felt it was not feasible. They did not want it to go ahead. Still, Mr. Speaker, the government forged on with this proposal. After eight months of meetings and a $100,000 study, the proposal was killed. Mr. Speaker, once again the people want to be heard. They do not agree with this new proposal. In the end, Mr. Speaker, we do not want to see another David and Goliath story. Thank you.

-- Applause

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 344-13(4): Need For Partnerships In Northern Governance

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1162

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about partnerships. Mr. Speaker, one of the current buzz words everyone hears is partnerships. Although it may seem like jargon, the 13th Assembly is committed to the idea behind the word. Committed to finding ways to let the various parties, the GNWT, the municipalities and the aboriginal governments have a voice and a role to work together rather than against each other, to recognize current and future common interests. Historically, government has not been great about bringing all parties to the table.

In Yellowknife, government has often talked to the Yellowknives Dene First Nation or to the municipality, but seldom to both. Decisions were made which made some people unhappy or left them in the dark.

Mr. Speaker, the big push of this Assembly has been to recognize the need for partnerships, to encourage greater sharing of authority and responsibility through community empowerment. One of the first steps was to get public government and self-government working together on the Western Constitutional Process. There is a more local and a more recent example of how this could work in Yellowknife. I am talking about the process to appoint an administrator for the Yellowknife Health and Social Services Board. I am pleased to see both Yellowknife City Council and the Yellowknives Dene First Nation were consulted. Mr.

Speaker, nothing was imposed. The territorial government, the municipality and the first nation reached agreement on how to get the work done and who should be hired to do it. Everyone was involved and a good decision was made. This is one small but important step in building the kinds of partnerships we need, partnerships based on trust and working together. I hope this will serve as an example for other departments and communities. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1163

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Michael Adam. He has been a GNWT employee for the past 12 years. He is a technical consultant with Systems and Computer Services. He is taking some time off and visiting us in the Legislative Assembly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 1163

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 476-13(4): Moving Airstrip In Pangnirtung

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1163

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker and honourable colleagues. Today, I would like to a question to the Minister of Transportation , Honourable Jim Antoine . It is in regards to the airstrip that should be moved to another location. I just wonder whether it has been considered by the Department of Transportation whether the airstrip could be moved to another location from its present location. (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1163

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and good afternoon colleagues. Mr. Speaker, the Pangnirtung airport, there was a study done by the Department of Transportation on this airport in 1993. As a result of that study, the cost of relocating the airstrip was very expensive. I think it was estimated at about $11 million to relocate, the least cost of relocation. As a result, the department had concluded that kind of expenditure could not be justified at that time. At the present time, the department's position is that we cannot afford to relocate the airstrip at this time.

However, because of the numerous requests from other communities for work on their airstrip and because of the outstanding requests of residents of Pangnirtung, which are very expensive, and the current level does not allow us to program these projects at this time. As a department we have been trying to undertake a full review of the existing airports to determine long term improvement plans which can be supported with the existing funds that we have. At the same time, carriers and communities such as Pangnirtung are being directly involved in these studies. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 476-13(4): Moving Airstrip In Pangnirtung

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1163

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wrote a letter to the Minister of Transportation recently and asked him whether he could provide some partial funding for the transfer or the moving of the airstrip. I wonder if he could provide some partial funding for the relocation of the airstrip in Pangnirtung? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1163

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

(Translation) Mr. Antoine . (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1163

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the airport in Pangnirtung has been studied, like I said, there was an intensive study done in 1993 which looked at the options for relocating and upgrading the airport. During the study, the department identified about five alternative airport sites and we also compared the cost of a new airport at these sites, upgrading the existing airport. Like I said, the cost to relocate is more than what we have. As we know, in the last 18 months we went through a very intensive cost cutting exercise. The Department of Transportation took a very big cut in our existing capital money.

It is very impossible to commit to funding any part of relocating this airport project. However, the department is looking at long term plans. We cannot afford it now, but we could at least look at long term plans on how something like this could be achieved in the future. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1163

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 477-13(4): Settlement Allowance For Unionized Employees

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1163

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of FMBS and it is regarding the issue of settlement allowances that I addressed in my Member's statement. I have been in contact with the Minister on this particular issue for many months now and it seems no nearer to any kind of clear resolution than when I first contacted him. Could the Minister please indicate the status of this particular matter to this House and time-lines, please?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1163

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1163

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, Mr. Speaker. I can appreciate my honourable colleagues concern and the concern of some of the constituents he represents, but I am not really in a position to make any comment on that. I mean, it is before arbitration. It would be inappropriate for me to make any comment. We

have to let due process take its course and I will do what I can to encourage a speedy resolve, one way or the other, to this outstanding issue. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Mr. Miltenberger , supplementary.

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Question 477-13(4): Settlement Allowance For Unionized Employees

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1164

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This matter affects, as I indicated, about 2,000 employees located in Hay River, Fort Smith, and Yellowknife. There are a number of us that are concerned about this issue. Information I received indicates that the matter was in fact taken out of arbitration. So could the Minister elaborate further on his particular comment that it is before arbitration? It seems to be causing some confusion. If in fact it is before arbitration, I agree then the method of resolution that the union would agree to as well. But my understanding is that, in fact, it is not before arbitration. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

It is not uncommon for the honourable Members to know more than I do in this job, and I say that in all seriousness, but my to understanding it is. As I said, I think it would be unfair of me at this time to make any comment. We are going to have to let due process take its course and my notes say that it was referred to arbitration. I will double check on that, but I am not prepared to answer any other questions on this issue at this time. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Second supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1164

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister give some assurances then, as to the time-lines involved with his checking on this particular issue, and clarifying whether in fact it is within the arbitration process or not? His timely response would be appreciated and would greatly direct the slant of the questions that I would have. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister, Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do apologize. I will answer that question because now I read my notes properly. My understanding is that right now it is in justice and there are grey areas, so at this time I would not be in a position to respond, in a definitive way, to my honourable colleague as to how this issue is going to progress. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1164

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is gratifying to see the decisive nature of the Minister for FMBS as he quickly comes to grips with this complicated matter and shuffles through his briefing notes. The issue of it being a grey matter before the Department of Justice, does that have the same legal weight as you cannot talk about it because it is before the courts? Or you cannot talk about it because it is in the arbitration process? Is this a new generic umbrella phrase which we could park a whole number of issues? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I agree with my colleague. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 478-13(4): Flood Preparedness Plan For Aklavik

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1164

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Manitok Thompson . It is in regards to my opening statement about being pro-active versus being reactive in relation to floods, especially in relation to Aklavik. As you know, right now Aklavik is on flood watch. Are there emergency measures and a plan in place to protect the residents of Aklavik and also the buildings and infrastructure in the community, such as private property and government property, such as the water treatment plant, the airport, the hospital, and the housing corporation residents?

I would also like to ask the Minister that they work along with the community to ensure that an adequate plan is in place that not only looks at the planning process, but looks at what infrastructure can be built in that community to protect it against floods that may occur in the next couple of years. The last big flood was five years ago and I think we have seen that it is a better strategy to ensure there is adequate infrastructure built to protect the community, such as drainage systems and dykes, or rims that can be built around the community to protect it when a flood occurs.

I would like to ask the Minister, along with her department, if she can assure me that the adequate human resources will be in place with individuals from the Emergency Measures Department, the Department of Public Works and also her Department to ensure that they look at the whole question of infrastructure to protect the community against floods and the possibility of having the adequate funds identified through the committee that has been established in Aklavik to work with the community. Thank you.

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Question 478-13(4): Flood Preparedness Plan For Aklavik

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. There were a number of questions. The honourable Minister for Municipal and Community Affairs , Madame Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There seems to have been a lot of questions asked on the issue of flooding in Aklavik. I can say that my staff has been monitoring the flood in Aklavik daily and we are doing everything we can to help the community. The community seems to be satisfied with the initiatives that we have put in place for the emergency measures in regards to the flood in Aklavik. It has not been an extreme emergency situation as yet, but we are monitoring it every day. Now, in regards to infrastructure, there is no new money coming for building, I think he said a new hospital?

We will investigate dykes and drains further, but I have not had any serious concerns from the community as to what infrastructure they want. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Madame Thompson. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To clarify my position on developing infrastructure, I was looking more in line of developing a protective regime in the community to protect the assets that are presently there, such as the water treatment plant which is pretty close to the river system so if flood water goes over the bank, there is something there to protect that infrastructure instead of just having it sit on a flat surface.

The same thing for the drainage systems in the community, if there is some plan in place to ensure that the drainage system that is there can take a flood by allowing the water to run out of the community rather then over the roads and whatnot, so if she can get her department to look at those particular infrastructure aspects of the community. Thank you.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will have my department look into the problem and see what we can do. We have been monitoring the flood in Aklavik and the department is looking into it daily. I have not had any serious concerns from the department in regards to the Aklavik situation. We are doing everything we can to help them. I think we have also evacuated the elders and some children from what I gather. We are doing everything we can to help the situation and we will work with the Member in his community. Thank you.

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Thank you. Second supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to ask the Minister if it is possible for her department to maybe contact the Canadian Armed Forces in regards to their expertise in flood control after doing such an excellent job in Manitoba in relation to that flood, so that you could coordinate the emergency measures with the military and also with this government to ensure adequate arrangements are made to protect the residents and communities when events such as floods happen in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know the department is doing everything they can to help Aklavik. If it becomes an extreme emergency such as the Manitoba flood, then we will look into the other ideas that the Member is suggesting, but right now we are satisfied with the emergency measures plan that we currently have in Aklavik. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not exactly clear with the Minister's response. The point I am trying to make is if there is a committee in place in Aklavik, because of the circumstances that we are in to date, I believe it will be easier to deal with the whole question of flooding and whatnot because there is a committee to look at that, and if it is possible for your people within your department to deal with this, in regards to the emergency measures plan, to sit down with the community as soon as possible to look at the whole question about flooding while it is still current? Thank you.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have been monitoring the community and working with the community. We are doing everything we can to help the community and I will investigate this further and get a full briefing on the flooding in Aklavik. We will work with the committee. I know the department has already been working with the community and the committee in Aklavik. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Madame Thompson. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Picco .

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Question 479-13(4): Nwtel Rate Increase

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1166

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is regarding my Member's statement on NorthwesTel. My question is for the Minister of Communications regarding the Northwest Territories' submission to the CRTC. Mr. Speaker, as one of the largest customers of NorthwesTel, this government will be dramatically affected by any NorthwesTel rate increase to local service costs. Will this government be appearing as an intervener on the NorthwesTel CRTC application? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. The Honourable Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The answer is "Yes". We have started working on a submission on the GNWT position to be put forward to the CRTC.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, recently this government signed a financing deal with Ardicom, of which the NorthwesTel is a partner. Would the GNWT be in a conflict as a funder of NorthwesTel through the Ardicom contract in regards to the CRTC hearing?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I would believe the answer is "No". The rate increase is totally separate from the Ardicom contract which deals with the digital communication infrastructure.

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Thank you. Second supplementary. Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I know it is a separate issue, but on one hand we are funding NorthwesTel as a partner of Ardicom to about $5 million a year over the next five years to help upgrade equipment. On the other hand, we are now going to be appearing before the CRTC because of the rate increase. Are we biased in our presentation to the CRTC because of that implication? That is my question.

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Thank you. The honourable Minister for Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the Ardicom contract is now one which the GNWT just gives the company $5 million a year. In fact, what we are getting is a system across the territories and service the digital communication services. I will be pleased to pass on a briefing note to the Member to ensure that he has more information on the matter.

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Thank you. Final supplementary. Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if the government is actually going to sit down and appear before the CRTC as an intervener, I wonder has the government then looked at the possible implications of cost to this government of the rate increases as proposed in the CRTC submission? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, as I said, we are still developing the position paper and, at some point in time, I would expect that the position would be shared with committees of the House. The position would include our views of the rate increase and the levels of service to small communities, et cetera.

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John Ningark

Thank you. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Ootes .

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Question 480-13(4): Report On Government Contracting

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said earlier, the government has come a long way in producing a report on sole source and negotiated contracts in this report, I found it extremely useful. It tabulates under sole source and negotiated contracts and provides totals at the end of the report for each. It is easy to identify where the money is being spent, on what companies and in what regions, what communities. I have a concern with the amount of sole sourcing and negotiating we are doing in this government and I will address a question on that, but my first question will be to the Deputy Premier, Mr.

Arlooktoo , if he could tell me where people can obtain this publication and is it available in a format other than in a printed format? Thank you.

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John Ningark

Thank you. Deputy Premier, the Honourable Arlooktoo.

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Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I believe the report is available for a small fee, but I will find out exactly how it can

be accessed from the government and I will pass it on to the Member.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I just wanted to reconfirm that there is, I understand, an effort to put this on the Internet. I wonder if the Deputy Premier could advise us if work is progressing on doing that.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, as the Member can see from the size of the report and the detail in it there is an awful lot of work to put the report together. It is true that the report is being put into electronic format and going into the Internet, but it has taken a fair amount of human resources and financial resources to put that together. The work is continuing.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can appreciate that it does take a lot of work to put this together. There is no doubt about it. I think we have to remember that this is a very useful publication for a lot of individuals throughout the territories. It is a matter of accountability too because for me, I can see what is happening and I can direct my questions when I have concerns about things. Again, it is a matter of being transparent for the public.

My question, Mr. Speaker, is in the area of the volume of the numbers of sole-sourced and negotiated contracts that we are letting as published in this book. I am wondering if the Deputy Premier can commit to me that they will look at this and look at the possibility of reducing the number of sole-sourced and negotiated contracts. I appreciate that there are cases where there is need for sole-sourced and negotiated. I would like a commitment from the Deputy Premier to start reducing the number of sole-sourced and negotiated contracts. Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, as we have told Members in the House many times before, there are three ways that the government awards contracts. The most used one is the public tender process and that is a large percentage of the work that we do. Then there is the sole source system which has very specific criteria and which is governed by the Financial Administration Act and the contract regulations require criteria such as urgency and the number of firms that are available to do such work. The final one which I think is the one that creates some controversy is the negotiated contracts.

The number that I have tabulated from that report indicates that nine percent of the total dollars are in the negotiated format. That is one area that we will be looking at and I think we will be discussing later when the motion is put forward to start talking about a negotiated contracts policy.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Question 480-13(4): Report On Government Contracting

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1167

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I mentioned in my statement, the sole source and negotiated contracts in some sectors of the business community is leading to some resentment and there is no understanding of why this is happening. It is very important for us to go through and pass my motion. We want to create a system that supports all businesses on a fair and equal basis and not a corporate support system available to some and not to others.

I think that is very important because otherwise, we are going to drive efficient business people out of the territories and not create an efficient entrepreneurial system in the territories. The question I have centres around again, will you look at reducing both the sole source and negotiated because I heard you say something about negotiated but I would like to have a look at both. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1167

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. I have been informed that the final supplementary of the honourable Member is out of order.

-- Applause

It is dealing with the motion that is in the order paper that Members will be dealing with. Thank you. Oral questions, Mr. Barnabas .

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Question 481-13(4): Grise Fiord Water Treatment Plant

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1167

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I stated earlier in my Member's statement about the Grise Fiord water plant. I would like to direct this question to the Honourable Manitok Thompson . What is the status of the MACA presentation on this particular issue? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1167

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

(Translation) Thank you. Ms. Thompson . (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1168

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I had lunch with Mike Ferris, the Baffin Island MACA Superintendent. He reported to me that they had worked on the issue of the water treatment plant. He reported to me that the status of it is the hamlet of Grise Fiord will be working with MACA. Also, iceberg cutting will be re-established. They stopped cutting ice for water in May. In the future, the Grise Fiord hamlet will be establishing a system and they will be hiring a consultant to make plans for the future of water supply in Grise Fiord.

We will find out from the local people exactly what the intent is and they will be getting water trucks so they can buy water from the community. The hamlet CEO is also working with MACA officials to deal with the issue of water supply in Grise Fiord. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

(Translation) Thank you. Mr. Barnabas , do you have an addition to your question? (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1168

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In Grise Fiord the water supply has been used for about ten years now. The community's population is growing. Is an update going to be set up for the water supply in Grise Fiord? (Translation ends)

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

(Translation) Thank you. Madame Thompson. (Translation ends)

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said earlier, they are investigating this situation through a consultant on a water system. As soon as I hear more about this, I will let the Member know. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

(Translation) Second supplementary for Mr. Barnabas . (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1168

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) I think they have done a lot of studies on this. When will the study be completed and when will they start building a new water system? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

(Translation) Thank you. Minister of MACA , Madame Thompson. (Translation ends)

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker, this is the first time I have heard about the issue of the water. I did not know there was going to be a question on this, however, I had a meeting on this issue and the study that is being done will be in May. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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John Ningark

(Translation) Thank you. Mr. Barnabas . (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1168

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, I talked to my constituency assistant and he explained the river that the community gets the water from is running out. What is happening on this issue? (Translation ends)

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

(Translation) Madame Thompson. (Translation ends)

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be asking my department about this issue and I will get back to the Member, but we are looking into this. They know about the concern of this matter. I will let the Member know as soon as I find out. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Roland .

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Question 482-13(4): Crtc Intervention On Nwtel Application

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1168

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister responsible for Public Works . I heard earlier a question about the intervention by this government with the CRTC. My question to the Minister is, who is putting together this package or the intervention? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1168

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister for Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the majority of the departments will have input into this submission, along with Ministers. The coordination is being done by the Department of Public Works and Services.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform us if there has been any input from the private sector in this submission? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I do not think so. The submission that we are talking about is one from the

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Second supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform me how this government plans to get input from the private sector in the submission? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the general public, individuals and the private sector will have opportunities to make their own intervention as usual, and those interested will do so. The coordinators in the Department of Public Works and Services will do their best to gather as much information as possible from within government and whatever we can find from outside of government in the short time we have. So, there will be no major consultation process that is being planned.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Page 1169

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform me when Cabinet decided upon this direction?

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Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure if I heard the question properly, but the Department of Public Works and Services has been directed to put together a proposed submission position paper for review and for input by Ministers and the departments. That work is going on as we speak and should be done in the next few weeks.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. In order to be fair to Members, I will recognize the Members who have not spoken or asked questions. At this particular time, there are Members who wish to ask second questions. I have Madam Groenewegen, Member for Hay River .

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Question 483-13(4): Settlement Allowance Arbitration Process

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1169

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to follow up on the questions asked by my colleague from Thebacha with respect to the outstanding settlement allowance to do with the South Slave communities and the request from UNW to resolve this. The Minister referred to due process but it would appear that due process is not progressing very well on this matter since this issue has been outstanding since 1995. I would suggest that this government has learned from experience to leave these matters on the table unresolved can turn into a very costly exercise and a very costly position to take.

Having said that, is there anything the Minister can do to expedite a decision in this matter, since it has been around for such a long time? Thank you.

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