Debates of June 2nd, 1998

This is page numbers 1543 - 1572 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was commission .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Strategy For Teacher Education In The Northwest Territories

Encouraging Future Engineers

Search And Rescue Public Awareness Campaign

Crtc Regional Hearing

Resolution Of The Unw Collective Bargaining Impasse

Fraser Institute Survey On Mineral Potential And Government Policy

Resolution Of The Unw Collective Bargaining Impasse

Support For The NWT Training Centre In Inuvik

Dogrib Community Service Board

Proposed Road To Resources

Addressing Concerns Of Income Support Applicants

Severe Shortages Of Nurses In Clyde River

Rescue Of Snowmobilers In Resolute Bay

Concerns With Competition In Long Distance Telephone Services

Gender Neutrality Of Hay Job Evaluation System

Recognition Of 795 Royal Air Cadet Squadron In Iqaluit

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Income Support Handbook

Resolution Of Collective Bargaining Impasse

Traffic Concerns On The Ingraham Trail

Resolution Of Collective Bargaining Impasse

Motion To Increase Education Base Funding

Multilateral Agreement On Investment

GNWT Mining And Investment Policies

Renovation Of Public Housing Units

Review Of Vital Statistics

Resolution Of Collective Bargaining Impasse

Dogrib Community Services Board Legislation

Resolution Of Collective Bargaining Impasse

Written Question 20-13(5): Clyde River Nursing Shortage

Written Question 21-13(5): Federal Bureaucrats Working On NWT Issues

Written Question 22-13(5): Removal Of Records From Court Registries

Committee Report 8-13(5): Review Of The Report Of The Auditor General On The Department Of Municipal And Community Affairs

Tabled Document 109-13(5): Letter From Constituent Regarding Pay Equity/collective Bargaining

Establishment Of Northwest Territories Electoral Boundaries Commission

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Third Reading Of Bills

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Good afternoon. Mrs. Groenewegen .

Point of Order

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a point of order. Mr. Speaker, I would like to raise a point of order concerning the comments made by the Premier in his Minister's statement on June 1, 1998 entitled, Statement of Conflict of Interest Commissioner's Decision, as this is my first opportunity after reviewing the unedited Hansard of June 1st. Mr. Speaker, my point of order is contained on page 2470 of the unedited Hansard. The words that concern me and give me cause to raise this point of order, Mr. Speaker, are, and I quote:

I, Mr. Speaker, look forward to the public inquiry proceeding as quickly as possible and I invite the Member from Hay River to make herself available as a witness at the inquiry and to submit herself to cross examination, under oath, from my solicitors. I am confident that the truth will be revealed to all those who wait.

The rules that I considered on which the Premier should be called to order are rules 23(

h) and (

j) which state that a Member will be called to order if the Member:

23(

h) makes allegations against another Member, a House officer or a witness;

23(

j) charges another Member with uttering a deliberate falsehood;

Mr. Speaker, the Premier has indicated that he now looks forward to the public inquiry to clear his name. His comments infer allegations that in bringing the conflict of interest complaint forward that I am lying and that under cross-examination, under oath, from his solicitors the truth will be revealed. Mr. Speaker, without getting into the substance of the complaint, I feel that I was only the means by which the complaint was brought forward and not necessarily a witness who would be required to justify the substance of the complaint. Mr.

Speaker, the complaint was laid and is now in the hands of the Conflict of Interest Commissioner where the process of inquiry will take its course. I hope I will be called and even granted standing as a witness with respect to any information that I can provide.

Mr. Speaker, I do not wish to use the rules and House time on this issue, but I would submit that my point of order would have support under Beauchesne's Parliamentary Rules and Forms, 6th edition, and I quote from citation 487(1) and (2) under unparliamentary language:

"487(1) Threatening language is unparliamentary

487(2) Words may not be used hypothetically or conditionally, if they are plainly intended to convey a direct imputation..."

Mr. Speaker, one could conceivably interpret the honourable Member's invitation to submit to cross-examination by his solicitors under oath as an implied threat whereby he implied that under oath I would be forced to reveal information contrary to statements previous made, which implies that I previously lied and only under oath would the truth be revealed.

Mr. Speaker, I would request that you rule on this matter as to any infraction of parliamentary rules and practices that the Premier has infringed upon in his statement of June 1st. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . I respect the Member's point of order and I agree that the comments made by the Premier yesterday justifiably provoked her point of order. I must state that the comments being made in this Chamber by the Premier , the Member for Hay River , and comments that may be made by other Members on this matter cause me considerable concern. In light of the calling of a public inquiry into the conflict of interest complaint, I will not allow any more questions or comments made in statements that directly or indirectly deals with the conflict of interest matter.

In the interest of fairness, I will not allow this Chamber to be used as a forum that might influence the Conflict of Interest inquiry.

--Applause

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 120-13(5): Strategy For Teacher Education In The Northwest Territories

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to announce today that a new teacher education strategy has been developed and will be in place when the current Teacher Education Program ends in 1999. Mr. Speaker, I provided each Member of this Assembly a copy of the strategy earlier today.

The territorial government first committed to significantly increasing the number of northern aboriginal teachers in 1993. This strategy focused on qualifying teachers for elementary schools. One of its major initiatives was to make Teacher Education Programs available in communities, not just at the major college campuses. The strategy has been very successful in increasing the number of aboriginal teachers in the school system. In 1992, there were 146 aboriginal teachers in the school system. By the year 1999, when the current community-based Teacher Education Programs are completed, over 355 aboriginal teachers will be working in NWT schools.

However, more work is needed to make sure the number of northern teachers continues to grow. Grade extensions and stay-in-school initiatives have resulted in more students staying in school longer and, as a result, more teachers are needed. The new Education Act and Regulations also require teachers to continue working toward their Bachelor of Education degrees.

A Strategy for Teacher Education in the Northwest Territories for 1999 to 2005 sets new goals to increase the number of aboriginal teachers in Nunavut and the western Arctic. Right now, 36 percent of the teachers in Nunavut are aboriginal, while 18 percent in the west are aboriginal. The new strategy will help us move toward having 85 percent aboriginal teachers in Nunavut and 47 percent in the western Northwest Territories. This will result in a teaching force that is truly representative of the population in the two new territories.

The new strategy will build on the successes of the previous one. For instance, Teacher Education Programs will continue to be delivered in communities and not just at college campuses. The strategy also calls for a full-time Bachelor of Education Program to be established in the western Northwest Territories. It further proposes that Bachelor of Education courses be delivered part-time, so teachers can continue their studies while they work.

Mr. Speaker, the strategy also calls for the delivery of the Aboriginal Language Certificate Program to make sure our schools reflect local culture and language. Well-qualified teachers are essential to the success of our schools. I am confident, Mr. Speaker, the new Strategy for Teacher Education will help develop a teaching force that represents the populations of Nunavut and the western NWT, help develop schools that reflect local language and culture and encourage teachers to continue their education. Thank you.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 120-13(5): Strategy For Teacher Education In The Northwest Territories

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 121-13(5): Encouraging Future Engineers

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the years, students in engineering have found considerable support from the Department of Public Works and Services. I would like to tell you about two of the ways my department encourages these students.

At the junior high level, Public Works and Services and Transportation presents awards to the best math and science students in each school. These awards show students that math and science are important.

Among high school students, we want to increase awareness of the career possibilities in engineering. This is the eleventh year for the program called Introduction to Engineering, Architecture and Computer Careers. Over the years, 186 students have taken

part in the program. This year 57 students applied for the program. Twenty were chosen - eight students from Nunavut and 12 from the west. Seven of the 20 students are young women. Twelve of the students are aboriginal. We especially want to encourage these two groups to pursue engineering careers.

The summer program includes an orientation week in Yellowknife. For Nunavut students, there is an orientation week in Iqaluit. This is followed by a project in the student's home community with assistance and supervision from a government employee or sometimes from an engineer from a private company. At the end of the six-week program, the student makes a written report and an oral presentation on the project. The summer program helps these students make education and career choices. Almost 70 percent of the students in the summer program go on to post-secondary education.

Public Works and Services is not the only government agency to encourage engineering careers for northerners. The Housing Corporation, Municipal and Community Affairs and my Department of Transportation are also partners in these programs. I feel this is a good example of how we can work together to encourage northern students and eventually to fill jobs with NWT residents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 121-13(5): Encouraging Future Engineers

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Ministers' statements. Minister Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 122-13(5): Search And Rescue Public Awareness Campaign

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, up to 50 people are reported missing every year in the Northwest Territories. The cost for a search conducted by the territorial or federal government can range from $100 to over $100,000.

This government spends over $100,000 on search and rescue operations every year. This amount does not include what the communities or the Canadian Forces and Coast Guard spend on searches.

Mr. Speaker, there is room for much improvement in this area. I am pleased to report that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs has introduced a public awareness campaign aimed at reducing the number of search and rescue incidents. The Search and Rescue Public Awareness Campaign is designed to educate and encourage northerners to always be prepared when travelling on the land or water. The campaign is based on the national theme of sharing the responsibility. The key message is that people must share the responsibility for caring for themselves by avoiding risk.

They must take reasonable measures to minimize their personal risk and maximize their ability to survive, if they are lost or stranded.

Mr. Speaker, search and rescue incidents are often due to mechanical failure, weather changes, failure to tell anyone of travel plans or a lack of survival equipment. This campaign will educate and encourage Northerners to always be prepared. This includes:

- making a trip plan and giving it to family, friends or the RCMP;

- packing emergency equipment and supplies;

- taking a tool kit;

- checking the weather;

- ensuring your equipment is in proper working order, and

- being prepared for the worst.

Mr. Speaker, I wish to thank the RCMP for their cooperation and active participation in search and rescue prevention and training. Through initiatives such as this, I am confident that we can make a difference and reduce the number of search and rescue incidents in the north. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 122-13(5): Search And Rescue Public Awareness Campaign

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 123-13(5): Crtc Regional Hearing

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week Members of this Assembly referred to the upcoming CRTC hearings on high cost serving areas, which will take place in Iqaluit on June 25th. I hope I can clear up any confusion about this hearing. For a long time, NorthwesTel has a monopoly on all phone services in the north. The CRTC allowed this position because of the extremely high cost of providing quality service to remote locations with few residents. Times change. The CRTC recently approved the introduction of competition for long distance services in the north. There is still some concern, however, about full and affordable access to telephone services in all communities.

Mr. Speaker, in the NWT, it costs about twice as much to provide basic services as it does in other parts of Canada. Without long-distance revenues, those higher costs would have to be reflected in higher local access rates. As we move closer to full competition for all telecommunications services, including local service, there is a danger that the quality of service to remote communities will decline because of the high cost of maintaining that service. Yet, it is the remoteness of our communities that makes good telecommunications critically important.

The CRTC has recognized the problem and is currently holding regional hearings to consider whether a fund should be established. This fund would not subsidize NorthwesTel and other phone companies. The fund would, in fact, assist those who live in remote areas so that high-cost telecommunications services will be affordable.

As I mentioned, the CRTC will hold a regional hearing in Iqaluit on June 25th. There will be a video hook-up to the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre in Yellowknife and telephone hook-ups to Arctic Islands Lodge in Cambridge Bay, the Ptarmigan Inn in Hay River, the Mackenzie Hotel in Inuvik and the Siniktarvik Hotel in Rankin Inlet.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to advise the House that the Deputy Premier, the Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , will represent the government at the Iqaluit hearing. I will be providing each Member of the Legislative Assembly with a copy of the government's preliminary submission to the CRTC, and I encourage them to share it with constituents who are interested in these issues. It is extremely important that northerners speak up at these hearings to indicate:

- the importance of telecommunications to life and business in the north,

- the high cost of phone services on top of an already high cost of living, and

- the north lacks services that are available in other parts of Canada.

I hope that there will be active participation in this hearing and I encourage all of you to take part. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 123-13(5): Crtc Regional Hearing

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 482-13(5): Resolution Of The Unw Collective Bargaining Impasse

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my Member's statement today is regarding a meeting that was held over the lunch break with the Union of Northern Workers dealing with the negotiations which seem to be at a point of settling with the government's final settlement offer. The union was disputing the process that was used and exactly what legalities are associated with the settlement. Mr.

Speaker, the people of the north would like to see an end to this long outstanding issue settled once and for all, and for myself, I feel it is an obligation to the employees of this government that they do settle this dispute as soon as possible. I would like to also state that it is pretty hard to draw the line between what we hear

in this House and what we hear from the union. One group states they were bound by a legal decision with regard to the Human Rights Commission with regard to pay equity. On the other hand, you hear from the union who states that if they proceed with allowing their members to vote, they are stuck in legal ramifications where they may be sued by their members because of the situation they find themselves with the question about pay equity as to whether if it is fair and reasonable.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to, hopefully, find a solution to this problem before the end of this sitting so we can give comfort to the Members of this government, our employees and the people in the community who serve the people of the Northwest Territories. For myself, having been involved in the negotiation process in the past, I feel it is in the political best interest to allow the membership to have a vote on this matter and to resolve it based on their own ethical belief as to whether this is a good deal or not.

I do believe that there has to be a mechanism in place to allow for the government and the union to sit down and deal with the whole question about process. I do not believe there is a problem in relation to the agreement. I believe it is a question of what the process led up to and exactly how the outcome of that is. At the appropriate time, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister a question on this matter. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 483-13(5): Fraser Institute Survey On Mineral Potential And Government Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to share some information in this House on the results of a survey which was conducted by the Fraser Institute. The survey was given to Canadian mining companies operating in Canada to evaluate each province and territory in the areas of the industry, including mineral potential and government policy, then combine these results and provides an overall rating for attractiveness for investment.

Mr. Speaker, results of this survey are very important if we are to nurture and promote the mining industry in the north. Not surprising, the mining companies surveyed indicated the NWT has the highest mineral potential in Canada. Of course, Mr. Speaker, we already knew that. So how do we rate with our policies and attractiveness to investors? Mining companies rated us second to lowest in terms of our government policies on attracting new exploration investment. Unfavourable policies are increasingly threatening new exploration, even here in the north, where we have the most attractive mining potential in Canada.

Alberta, on the other hand, has the highest government policy rating with mining companies. These companies believe policies of the Alberta government encourage new exploration and are also considered neutral. It also indicated that anti-business policy climates deter investment and reduce economic growth.

Mr. Speaker, how attractive is the NWT for investment by the Canadian mining companies? When we take into account, our government policies and our mineral potential, the NWT is sitting second from the bottom of the heap. What can be learned from this, Mr. Speaker? I suggest that we look seriously at our current government policies and regulations with the intent of simplifying the process mining companies must go through in the north.

We must also eliminate the uncertainty that companies have about investing in exploration and any future investment prospects by providing clear and solid means in which we can allow these private companies to grow and prosper in the north. We must act now if we are to hold our position with mining companies, who see the potential of the north as the best in the country. It is no good, Mr. Speaker, if we have the resources which we know provide a positive outcome for our economy if we cannot or will not provide the means to access them. Mr.

Speaker, my comments sound like I am critical of the Government of the Northwest Territories. Not so. The Government of the Northwest Territories does not have responsibility... Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 483-13(5): Fraser Institute Survey On Mineral Potential And Government Policy

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? Mr. Henry , you have unanimous consent.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and thank you, colleagues. The Government of the Northwest Territories does not have the responsibility for mining in the Northwest Territories. My comments are meant for the ears of the federal politicians, particularly, Minister Stewart, the Minister responsible for Indian and Inuit Affairs. You need to work more with the Government of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 484-13(5): Resolution Of The Unw Collective Bargaining Impasse

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I, as well, attended the meeting at lunch time, along with some other MLAs to listen for the first time, for myself, the UNWs position. I indicated to them at that meeting that I, like the employees and probably most people in the north, am sort of stuck in the middle as the government and the UNW are squared off, eyeball to eyeball on this particular situation. Neither side is wanting to blink at this particular time because they do not want to move off their positions. I have read the information from both sides.

When I read stuff from the government, it makes sense to me and is very clear. When I listen to the objections and concerns raised by the UNW, look at some of their literature, it seems to me as if they have concerns. I do not know, at the end of the day, what is accurate. I have no reason to disbelieve the government. I have no reason to disbelieve the UNW. Is it a question of what is right and what is wrong or is it just a question of perception? Is the system gender neutral? Is it discriminatory? Is it illegal? Can they take it to a vote or can they not take it to a vote? I do not know.

It seems to me the only people who can resolve this and hammer out an agreement that is understandable are the GNWT and the UNW. All northerners and employees, people like ourselves, stand, wait, watch and wonder. How will this situation be resolved? How long can it be at an impasse? How long can the gridlock last? It has to be solved. There is money on the table. Employees' benefits are at stake. I think labour

peace cannot be achieved until this deal is signed off. I would encourage both parties to come to the table and, at the end of the day, we have to give the membership the opportunity to cast their vote on this particular issue. Until then, we wait to see, will anybody blink. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 485-13(5): Support For The NWT Training Centre In Inuvik

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the NWT Training Centre is an important educational institution in Inuvik. The adults in my community who have a low level of education need a place where they can learn. The students that attend the training centre learn basic literacy, life skills and basic job readiness. The majority of students who attend the training centre are single mothers who left the school system before graduating. The students' education levels vary. Most are at the elementary school level?

The NWT Training Centre is the only educational institution in Inuvik that serves adults who do not have their grade eight. This means that if a single mother aged 30 only has a grade five education, this is the only institution she can attend. If the training centre runs into funding problems, as it has in the past, then she does not have anywhere to go. The training centre is not being fully utilized this year and only 12 students are attending. They can accommodate up to 22. Each year the training centre is flooded with applications.

It is disappointing that there are adults in Inuvik who cannot access the Visions and Dreams Program at the training centre because of lack of funding. If the training centre was operating at full capacity there would be another ten individuals in Inuvik who could have been working toward a better education.

After completing the Visions and Dreams Program, most of the training centre students go on to the Aurora College Adult Basic Education Program, the Aurora College ABE Programs accept applications from students who are at grade eight level. Mr. Speaker, the training centre opened in 1983 and has never had core funding. The funding that they receive comes from a myriad of sources that vary from year to year in amount and application procedures.

I will follow up my Member's statement with a letter to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment to request the establishment of core funding for the NWT Training Centre in Inuvik. Inuvik needs the NWT Training Centre, Mr. Speaker, and the NWT Training Centre needs core funding. Quyanini.

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Member's Statement 485-13(5): Support For The NWT Training Centre In Inuvik

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 486-13(5): Dogrib Community Service Board

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to address a concern of the recently formed community services board. As you may recall, the community services board was established as a result of our community empowerment initiative. The board will enable the Dogrib Treaty 11 Communities to work together to govern education, health and social services. The board will give the Dogrib people an opportunity to identify their own priorities and integrate the delivery of services in communities in a manner which reflects Dogrib culture and traditions. Mr.

Speaker, this board was formed on May 22, 1997, with the territorial government and the Dogrib Treaty 11 Chiefs signing the agreement, which was pursuant to the Territorial Hospital Insurance Act. We all felt that this would be the start of a new and different approach to serving our people. We thought it would give us the legal ability to integrate programs and to set priorities among programs. However, this is not the case. We need to draft legislation specifically for the CSB. Mr. Speaker, I currently have draft legislation that I am preparing to bring to this House as a Private Members Bill.

However, after some thought and advisement I have decided to wait and see what the Departments of Education, Culture and Employment and Health and Social Services are doing to ensure this board will be able to do what it was originally intended to provide. Mr. Speaker, I will, later on today, be asking the departments about this in order to facilitate this legislation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 487-13(5): Proposed Road To Resources

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, while we wait to see who blinks, I would like to make a statement on the proposed road to resources and diamond mines, which currently uses the Ingraham Trail. Mr. Speaker, this road was originally used to supply Echo Bay Mines, but recently with the addition of diamond mine exploration, there has been a substantial increase in the amount of usage, with trucks constantly going back and forth on the Ingraham Trail. I have many constituents who live on the Ingraham Trail. I also have constituents who use the Ingraham Trail to get to their traditional hunting areas.

These constituents are concerned with first of all, the road being narrow. There are a lot of curves and it is dangerous when you meet a large truck. This has already caused accidents and there have been some fuel spills, possibly damage to the environment. There is also concern that the road is being damaged. Last year, Mr. Speaker, I asked the Premier about the road to resources, if we would be pursuing that. He indicated that he was looking at it. I also asked about the possibility of having the mines to actually pay for using the roads. Perhaps, a toll per truck.

I know that we are currently doing an environmental study into the issue as well, as other transportation routes. However, that is looking toward the future. My constituents need to know what is happening now if there is legitimacy to their concerns. At the appropriate time, Mr. Speaker, I will ask the Minister questions in this area. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement 488-13(5): Addressing Concerns Of Income Support Applicants

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, from time to time I have received complaints from clients or others who have applied for income support and were turned down. Mr. Speaker, I am not encouraging anyone to depend on the Income Support Program for assistance unless other options are exhausted. I am merely and respectfully endeavouring to find out what the criteria are with respect to the Income Support Program. I am sure some of my honourable colleagues have received such complaints from Members of the communities as I have reported. Mr. Speaker, I am never comfortable in telling bureaucracy what to do.

I have never done that and I am not about to begin to do so. In order for the complainants to have the answer, instead of going through MLAs, I am suggesting that the Department of Health and Social Services endeavour to create a handbook outlining what the criteria are for those people who are legible or ineligible to receive income support assistance. Mr. Speaker, such a handbook should be translated into other languages to make it easier for people to understand. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 489-13(5): Severe Shortages Of Nurses In Clyde River

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to bring to the attention of the House and in particular, the Minister of Health and Social Services and the Baffin Regional Health Board the very severe shortage of nurses in Clyde River. There are not enough nurses in my home community, Mr. Speaker. We have a year round population of 780 and there are only two nurses in town. During certain times of the year the population may increase substantially. Throughout various times of the year, we have visitors, tourists and transient construction workers.

Just based on the year round population alone, we have only one nurse for every 400 people. This ratio is unacceptable and unsafe, Mr. Speaker. The shortage of nursing staff compromises the health and safety of the residents of Clyde River. It also puts undue stress on the nursing staff. Mr. Speaker, imagine trying to take care of a community of 800 with only one other qualified person to help you. Importantly, I cannot imagine what may happen if one or both of the nurses are sick or on leave. We need more nurses in Clyde River, Mr. Speaker. This is clear. It should not be a matter of funding.

The only issue here is the health of my community. The nursing staff is strained and they need help now. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 490-13(5): Rescue Of Snowmobilers In Resolute Bay

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to recognize heroic events that happened in the community of Resolute. I will read a brief synopsis of events regarding the rescue of Emily Ulayuruluk and Connie Pudluk who are the grandchildren of my predecessor Ludy Pudluk and Lallie Pudluk. On September 19, 1997, between 7:30 p.m. and 8:00 p.m., two girls, Connie Pudluk and Emily Ulayuruluk, were snowmobiling on the ice near Resolute Bay. The ice was thin and the snowmobile went through the ice. This left the two girls in the water between 10 and 30 minutes. The water was extremely cold and the air temperature was below zero degrees.

Matthew Nungaq, resident of Resolute Bay, was driving by the area and his daughter noted the two girls in the water. They drove to get help and located Nathaniel Kalluk. Nathaniel took his boat to the scene and then went out across the ice in the boat to get the girls. He pulled both girls into the boat then came back to shore. Nathaniel was alone in the boat when he went to get the girls. The boat had to be pushed across the ice and then into the water to break through the ice. The girls were taken to the nursing station after they came off the boat. They had to be supported because of the numbness.

They were all right, to date. I would recommend that the people who rescued these two girls be awarded with an Award of Bravery. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Member's Statement 491-13(5): Concerns With Competition In Long Distance Telephone Services

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement today, I would like to make some comments on the issue of long distance competition as it relates to services in smaller communities. Across Canada, there has been a reduction in long distance costs where competition has been allowed to take place. No one can argue against cost reductions. We would all like to see a reduction in our phone bills. However, we have a unique situation in the north. Long distance service is profitable in some areas but is not in others, depending on population and remoteness.

NorthwesTel has made the point that in a competitive environment, if revenues are significantly reduced in larger centres, services to small communities will be jeopardized. This causes me great concern. To give you a real example of what the implications may be if a multinational corporation like Sprint or others were to introduce very low cost long distance service to one of our larger communities such as Hay River, phone services could either be cut off and non-profit making communities or prices could go through the roof and become unreachable for residents in these small communities.

This is because revenue from larger communities subsidize the cost of providing service in smaller communities.

Mr. Speaker, the other day it caused me concern to hear the Member for Hay River call for immediate and open competition in this area, without regard to the implications this may have for smaller communities. We need to recognize; however, that one of the reasons these larger centres are able to make long distance services profitable is because they are regional or territorial centres that service the small communities. To be more specific in this example, in Hay River, the Power Corporation, NTCL, territorial correctional facilities and the liquor board are based in Hay River and it serves smaller communities.

Mr. Speaker, I ask what is the message then if unmanaged competition may well mean the loss of phone services for smaller communities like Pelly Bay, Hall Beach, Grise Fiord, Clyde river, Kimmirut, Chesterfield Inlet, Paulatuk and other communities in both the east and west? I believe that we must be careful in sending the message that we do not want savings at any cost. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Baffin South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? Mr. Arlooktoo , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 491-13(5): Concerns With Competition In Long Distance Telephone Services

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and thank you, colleagues. Due to our geographical situation, cross-subsidies are a part of life in the north, we have it in fuel subsidies, power subsidies, housing subsidies and many other programs. It is part of our reality in living in the north. If we live in a large community, we are sometimes frustrated that we do not benefit from the cost-savings our population should provide, but then we have to remind ourselves that we also benefit from serving smaller communities because government and industry institutions are based in larger communities. Finally, Mr.

Speaker, the proposal to have a national fund for high-cost regions will benefit greatly all of the communities of the north because we, more than any other jurisdiction in Canada, understand how our geography and population can benefit both large and small communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 492-13(5): Gender Neutrality Of Hay Job Evaluation System

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier today, Members spoke about the meeting of the Union of Workers representatives. I, also, attended that meeting. We had our presentation from Jackie Simpson, the President; Ben MacDonald, as well as, Margaret Bertulli. A number of areas were discussed, but one I would like to make a little more detailed reference to and that is the question of, is the proposed job evaluation plan, in fact, gender neutral? I would like to put forward the information that was provided for us today at this meeting. The government says, yes, it is gender neutral.

The union disagrees with that. The question, of course, becomes, how do we get out of that quandary? The union has suggested a three-member panel. The government says, that is a delay tactic by the union. The government also says that we need a made-in-the-north solution. The union replies that the parties have, through the three-member panel, 20 hours to consider this and one week in which to come to some resolution on it.

With regard to the made- in-the-north the government argument uses, that is contradictory unto itself because the government has gone south for its legal counsel to represent them on the pay equity issue.

The implementation of the proposed job evaluation plan, the union is convinced because the plan is not gender neutral that the union could be held jointly liable for the deficiencies especially if it has stated that it knows that it is not bias-free. They do not have the same liability, Mr. Speaker, with the current plan. They feel the pay equity issue should not be on the bargaining table. It should be taken off. There were also discussion and clarification on the briefing session that had been scheduled for March 30th to April 3rd which was cancelled.

The issues in all of this, Mr. Speaker, are complex and there are two sides to this story. The union presented us with their side of the story today. We have had briefings from papers and from the government's side. We need to get on with resolving this issue. Many of our employees are affected by it and we do not need a summer of undecidedness. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 493-13(5): Recognition Of 795 Royal Air Cadet Squadron In Iqaluit

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the 795 Squadron of the Royal Canadian Air Cadets in Iqaluit, held their annual inspection recently. The 27 out of 28 cadets that participated are sponsored by the Royal Canadian Legion in Iqaluit. Mr. Speaker, the principal aim of the cadets is to teach leadership, citizenship, physical fitness and interests in aeronautics. Two weeks ago we were honoured by having members of the Army Air and Navy Cadets Service Air as Pages in this Assembly. One of those cadets was Sergeant Edward Arreak from Iqaluit. Mr.

Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate the 795 Squadron of Iqaluit, its Captain John Graine, and the Royal Canadian Legion, who have continued their sponsorship and long affiliation with this, and other community-minded causes at home in Iqaluit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize the mayor of Broughton Island, Lootie Toomasie, and beside him is his deputy mayor, Kooveeyok Natsiapik. Thank you.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at this time I would like to recognize Ms. Pat Thomas of the NWTTA.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Barnabas .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to recognize the mayor of Broughton Island, Lootie Toomasie and deputy mayor, Kooveeyok Natsiapik, and also John Quirke, future Clerk for Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 609-13(5): Income Support Handbook

Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng . Mr. Speaker, I never try to get involved in the local politics of a small community or the local resolution of problems, providing the solutions to problems. Many times I am asked to do such, and there are times when I am unable to do so or to provide any solution at all. As I indicated in my Member's statement, there are times when I am approached by individuals in communities regarding social assistance or income support assistance criteria. In many cases, I am unable to provide answers.

My question to the honourable Minister is, is there a handbook available in the communities to learn what the criteria are with respect to Income Support Programs? Thank you.

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Question 609-13(5): Income Support Handbook

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The question is more appropriate to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent . Mr. Dent .

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Question 609-13(5): Income Support Handbook

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not aware of any handbook available to a community which outlines the Income Support Program. The intention is for the residents of the community to work with the income support worker to go through the form which sets out the areas in which the individual might qualify for income support. The intent of the program is to deal with people on an individual basis because everyone's circumstances are different. People are encouraged to deal directly with the income support worker. The income support worker is also, Mr. Speaker, supposed to advise people who are refused income support about the appeal process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Supplementary To Question 609-13(5): Income Support Handbook

Question 609-13(5): Income Support Handbook

Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I apologize for addressing my concern to the Minister of Health and Social Services . I should have realized that it was for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . My supplementary question for the honourable Minister is, could he explain to me what the whole process is? Is there a local appeal body in each community that looks after the complaints from clients? Thank you.

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Supplementary To Question 609-13(5): Income Support Handbook

Question 609-13(5): Income Support Handbook

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Further Return To Question 609-13(5): Income Support Handbook

Question 609-13(5): Income Support Handbook

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, typically, there is a local income support appeal committee. The first step is to file a written appeal which would then be reviewed by the income support worker's supervisor. I should point out that when I answered previously that there were no booklets available, there are, in fact, some booklets which set out in general terms what might be available through income support, but not in great detail. This is why it is important that every individual work with the income support worker.

The other option is the complete Income Support Worker's Handbook is now available on the Internet. People who can access a computer can access the detailed workbook for workers.

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Further Return To Question 609-13(5): Income Support Handbook

Question 609-13(5): Income Support Handbook

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

As I indicated in my Member's statement, in many cases we are approached about the conveyance, about the problem in the community by the individuals. Will the Minister endeavour to ensure that there is, in fact, a booklet translated into the local language outlining what the criteria are so that the client or potential client will know exactly what he is getting into? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it would be difficult to publish a booklet which outlines the program in detail for everybody because individual circumstances vary, family circumstances vary, and the program looks at the circumstances of the family. The Member raised the issue that we have to find some way to deal with communications in a better way, and we will certainly look at that. With the changes to the program that take place, it would be difficult to publish a book on a regular basis that would accomplish this effectively. For instance, we just announced a change to the food basket rates.

The program is constantly under review and being updated. It is difficult to put out a booklet that would not be outdated very quickly. The answer is that individuals need to work with the income support workers and perhaps we need to find some way to improve communications within the smaller communities between the workers and the clients. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I thank the Minister for the positive response. Will the Minister encourage the staff at the community level to communicate with the clients or potential clients what is expected of them if they want to receive social assistance or if they are turned away, explain exactly what is in the system? Thank you.

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Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is what is expected of the workers and we will work to ensure that is happening across the territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd . It is in regard to a meeting that was held with the Union of Northern Workers. It seems as if there is a real misunderstanding or difference of opinion on exactly what has been negotiated and what the process was that was used to negotiate the final offer. I would like to ask the Minister, are there any attempts to consider looking at a mediator to try to resolve this issue? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate my honourable colleague's question, and it was asked by a number of other Members earlier in the Session. Let me say again. We have put what we consider to be a fair and final settlement before the bargaining unit for the UNW. Right now, the matter is in the hands of the UNW and its employees. If they wish to go to an arbitrator or to a mediator, I have already said yesterday, and I will say again today, we are prepared to go to that process. The next step is in the hands of the membership and the UNW. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Has the Minister or the department made an attempt to do a letter to the union to inform them that you are open to mediation at this time?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. They are well aware that we are prepared to take that next step. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Has the Minister or the department put this government's position in writing and delivered a letter to the union clearly identifying that you are open to mediation? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

The union is as equally knowledgeable of the process, Mr. Speaker, as I am. As I said, and will say again today, we are prepared to go to mediation if that is what they request, but it has to come from them. We have laid the final settlement on the table which we think is fair. It is now really up to the UNW executive to determine what the next step is. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The reason I am asking the question is if the government have made an attempt to approach the union in writing clearly identifying they are open to mediation as one of the avenues to resolve this outstanding issue is that if we are looking at trying to conclude this issue and move it forth, I think it might be the interest of all the people in the north and this government to make the effort to send a letter to the union clearly stating that this government is open to mediation and get on with the process so we can conclude this issue. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

All of the negotiators of the UNW (inaudible)

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Question 611-13(5): Traffic Concerns On The Ingraham Trail

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister responsible for Transportation . Mr. Speaker, in my statement earlier today, I had indicated that constituents had raised concerns about the Ingraham Trail, the fact that it is narrow and windy and that there have been accidents due to the increased traffic from large trucks going to the mines. My question to the Minister is, did the large truck actually cause

damage to the existing road of the Ingraham Trail? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the short answer is the normal winter traffic when the road is frozen solid does not directly cause the road to fail. The majority of road failure is associated with environmental factors, springtime and so forth. What we do is, during spring time we put road beds on the Ingraham Trail along with other highway systems to ensure any heavy truck traffic does not damage the roads during the sensitive time of the year when the roads are thawing out. The department finds out, generally, not only on the Ingraham Trail but other highways.

We dig, take them up and we examine them during the normal winter traffic when the road is frozen solid, so there is no damage to the road. Usually damage happens just when things start to thaw out. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the course of the last year, there have been a few accidents on that road, fuel spills. Can the Minister indicate whether there has been extensive environmental damage that has occurred due to these spills? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

There have been some specific incidents on the Ingraham Trail, highway and on the winter roads during the winter. However, all of the environmental concerns have been addressed. We do this in coordination with the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Other concerns that have been raised are the narrowness, windiness and the many curves on that road, which causes accidents and causes dangerous driving to occur. It is pretty hard to pass those huge trucks sometimes when you meet them. Does the Minister know if there is going to be some work done soon to alleviate the narrowness and the many curves on that road? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department had received approval from this Legislative Assembly during the 1998-99 main estimates to begin highway improvements on the Ingraham Trail. About $500,000 was approved for this fiscal year. Surveys will also continue to prepare for work in future years. Mr. Speaker, construction on the specific

section of highway to improve the alignment and to deal with the narrowness of the road at kilometre 6.5 will begin in the fall. There is work planned on the Ingraham Trail this summer and fall. Also, normal maintenance will continue and proceed over the summer in trying to deal with visibility. We are going to be clearing brush to improve visibility. There are some road surface repairs scheduled in the normal course of operations and maintenance. Dust control material will be applied on the gravel surface. These are the different programs and plans that the department has for the Ingraham Trail. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, I know that the residents of Ingraham Trail, as well as my other constituents, have similar types of concerns and obviously are a lot more knowledgable on what happens there. Would the Minister commit to meeting with some representatives of Ingraham Trail, along with, perhaps, some of his senior officials, so his ministry can indicate what will be happening to alleviate some of the concerns that are being expressed? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Certainly, Mr. Speaker, I am prepared to meet with the honourable Member, his constituents and the residents along the Ingraham Trail. I just want to add that departmental officials have met with the residents of Ingraham Trail regularly over the past years to discuss a variety of highway issues. Senior departmental officials are available as well to meet with the residents to discuss plans and other concerns. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for Mr. Todd , the Minister for the Financial Management Board . We met today with the Union of Northern Workers and out of that came some detailed information. One of the concerns that the union has is, in their opinion, which the Minister well knows, their argument that the job evaluation plan is not gender neutral. In order to resolve this situation, they had proposed a panel of three members. The Minister has replied

that the government is of the opinion that it needs to be a made-in-the-northern solution. Additionally, it is felt that this is a delay tactic on the part of the union. Dealing with the delay tactic, I wonder if the Minister could tell me if parameters of a timeframe are set, which would it be regarded as a delay tactic?

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The Minister of Finance , do you want to respond?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I do not understand the question. Sorry, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The union has suggested that 20 hours of negotiation take place and that this matter be settled, for example, within a week. If the Minister states that the union is using this argument as a delay tactic, does he see that as a delay tactic? Could he tell us, does he see that as a delay tactic?

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I do not know if the Minister can respond. As far as the delay tactic goes, it is not within his responsibility. The question is rhetorical. Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I simply do not understand the question. I wonder if my colleague could perhaps elaborate. Is this something that came about from the discussions in the speaking notes that Ms. Simpson alluded to today at noon which she organized and coordinated, and if it is, could he be perhaps more explicit, so I can give an appropriate answer? I honestly do not know what my honourable colleague is saying.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister tell us why he will not go for a three-member panel review?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

First of all, Mr. Speaker, I think it is important to point out to my honourable colleague and to my other colleagues that the UNW's issue with respect to it now claiming that the Hay Plan Evaluation System is not gender neutral is contradictory to the position they took at collective bargaining. During collective bargaining, they conceded that the Hay Plan Evaluation System is gender neutral.

Given that is what they conceded, what I was saying in previous questions was, if there are problems within the Hay Plan Evaluation System and we agree it is gender neutral, that there may be some glitches within it, then let us work it out as the two parties responsible for doing that, UNW and the government.

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Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

We understand the difference of opinion between the government and the union. The union is stating they cannot state that this is gender bias free because if they do so, later on they could be held liable for any deficiencies, if they state it is gender bias free. They are prepared to go to a three-panel membership, one from the union, one from the government, and one from an independent as chair. I do not understand why the government will not go for that, and I wonder if the Minister could tell us why they will not consider that?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I had just indicated in my earlier response that the union in their collective bargaining had conceded that the Hay Job Evaluation is gender neutral.

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Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

The Minister keeps saying that, but we get a different answer from the union. I guess this is where the difficulty arises. The union keeps saying it is not gender bias free. Obviously, this impasse is difficult for them and it is obviously a difficult position for you. Previously, the Minister stated that he was not interested in a three-member panel because, my recollection is, he stated he wanted a made-in-the-north solution to this. My understanding was that he wanted the representation from the north. Well, Mr.

Speaker, the made-in-the- north solution, why can the government not accept to go for a three-member panel, if it can be settled within two or three weeks? Could the Minister tell us if he can find representation here in the north? Will he go for a three-member panel with qualified people in the north?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

As Mr. Ootes said, there are always two sides to a story. He has obviously chosen to side with one side. I am telling you categorically that at the collective bargaining, the UNW said that the Hay Plan Job Evaluation System was gender neutral, and because it is gender neutral, why do I need a third party to determine whether it is gender neutral. They

conceded that. What we need is for the partnerships, the people who are responsible, the UNW bargaining group and the management team from the GNWT to work through the difficulties that the UNW should identify within the Hay Plan Evaluation System. Pardon me, the answer is still no. It will not go to third party at this time.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 613-13(5): Motion To Increase Education Base Funding

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday, the House passed a motion overwhelmingly in favour of additional funding for education. I wonder now, will the Premier direct the Cabinet to address the considerations of that motion yesterday about rebasing education? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I appreciate the motion from the Legislative Assembly that was passed yesterday. We will consider it and give it due action and we will talk about it in Cabinet. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate that the Premier will talk about it in Cabinet. There was a Cabinet meeting this morning. The motion was passed yesterday. I wonder when the Premier expects that the Cabinet will be acting on this motion? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The motion, like I said, is appreciated from the Members of the Legislative Assembly. We as the Government of the Northwest Territories have to consider that motion, along with the rest of the priorities that the Members have said are major priorities to them. There have been many issues raised in this Legislative Assembly. Education is a major issue. Health care is a major issue and so are the other programs and services to the people of the Northwest Territories. Housing is another major issue, and a lot of people do say that if you are not properly housed, you will not be able to get an education, so we will consider that. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, we have several priorities, but few of those priorities were actually voted on in this House and passed in motion form. Again, my question to the Premier is, when will the Premier and his Cabinet be acting on the priority of education to rebase the education department, as outlined in the motion from yesterday? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member is well aware, we do not have any money trees, whether it is on our side of the House or theirs. We do not have those in the Northwest Territories. We have a limited amount of monies available to this government. We will consider the motion made in this Legislative Assembly. We will consider it with the needs of the people of the Northwest Territories. We will try to address it the best way possible. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think we all are aware of the fiscal restraints on the Government of the Northwest Territories, but I do recall that a few weeks ago, the government stated they would buy $50 million worth of rough cut diamonds but because of their BHP agreement, that has fallen through. Maybe the Premier could identify that $50 million and rebase education. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. That was a comment. There was no question there. Again, I would like to remind the Members with regard to the rules. A question must not repeat an earlier question which was answered, taken as notice or to which an answer was refused at that sitting. I will caution the Members on those repeated questions that have been answered. Oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 614-13(5): Multilateral Agreement On Investment

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Finance in regard to the multilateral agreement on investment. Mr. Speaker, the MAI, as it is known, is a new international economic agreement to negotiate the organization for economic cooperation and development. Mr. Speaker, there are a number of agencies across the country that are against it and have concerns with this new agreement. For example, the Assembly of First Nations passed a resolution demonstrating their concern.

There are approximately 560 organizations in 67 countries that have concerns and that will not support this new agreement. Can the Minister provide this House with some information as to what impact he foresees this having on the two new territories? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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