Debates of Sept. 11th, 1992

This is page numbers 877 - 888 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was report .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Selection Of Ordinary Members' Caucus Chairman

Baffin South Ministerial Visits

Business Venture In Rankin Inlet

Development Of N.W.T. Commercial Products

Negotiation Of Dogrib Nation Regional Comprehensive Claim

Member's Statement Regarding Honourable Don Morin

Member's Statement Thanking Mr. Gargan For Presentation

Question O740-12(2): Great Whale River Hydroelectric Project

Question O741-12(2): Transmittal Of College Of Physicians And Surgeons Report

Question O742-12(2): Advertising Baffin's Seafood Products

Question O743-12(2): Report Of Saskatchewan College Of Physicians And Surgeons Sealed By The Court

Question O744-12(2): Utilization Of Court Sealed Documents

Question O745-12(2): Development Of Constitutional Development Commission

Question O746-12(2): Update On Utility Rates Study

Question O747-12(2): Training Of R.c.m.p. Reserves In The N.w.t.

Question O748-12(2): Heating Fuel Transported To Pelly Bay

Question O749-12(2): Consultation With Moving Companies Regarding Proposed Tariff

Question O750-12(2): Responses Of Moving Companies To Proposed Tariff

Question O751-12(2): Assistance To Small Businesses

Question O752-12(2): Closing Date For Thebacha Campus Catering Contract

Question O753-12(2): Community Operated Drug And Alcohol Projects Funding Requirements

Written Question 54-12(2): Procedures Within The Department Of Health

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Public Inquiry Into Medical Services In Fort Smith

First Reading Of Bill 31:

An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act

First Reading Of Bill 32:

An Act To Amend The Young Offenders' Act, No. 2

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Hon. James Arvaluk , Mr. Bernhardt , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Mr. Nerysoo , Mr. Ningark , Hon. Dennis Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Todd , Hon. Tony Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

This House will come to order. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Thebacha .

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Selection Of Ordinary Members' Caucus Chairman

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on behalf of the Ordinary Members' Caucus, I did want to advise this House that we have chosen Mr. Nerysoo for our chairman of the Ordinary Members' Caucus.

---Applause

Mr. Nerysoo has agreed to take on the responsibility for this session, and then he will assess to see how we conduct ourselves to decide whether or not he will continue as the chairman for our Ordinary Members' Caucus.

Mr. Speaker, we have full confidence that Mr. Nerysoo 's experience and capabilities will represent us in this House effectively. All Members know that Mr. Nerysoo 's ability to present himself and to bring forth our issues effectively. I apologize, I do not have my statement fully developed, I am just reading from my notes.

Mr. Speaker, I want to say that all Members have full confidence in Mr. Nerysoo 's capability of bringing forth the issues effectively and eloquently on behalf of the caucus. We all know that he has a great deal of experience as a Member of this House, as a past leader, as a past Minister of the government, and with that I want to advise him that as the past chairman of the caucus, he has more than my full support in assisting his responsibilities that he has decided to take on.

I thank him very much, and I thank the Members for giving Mr. Nerysoo their support. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudlat .

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Baffin South Ministerial Visits

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wanted to make a brief statement. There has been a concern for quite some time that has been expressed to me. We all know that we are being assisted very much by the Ministers; although, they do not visit the communities as often as they should, and we all know in our constituencies that you have a lot of work to do in headquarters.

I feel, if it is possible, and if you have the time, that you should make an effort to visit the communities, especially the smaller communities. The people of the communities, especially the smaller communities, would like the Ministers to visit more often. We know that the constituents have always asked the Ministers to, at least briefly, visit the communities and this is a concern that I would like to express, and inform the Ministers that the communities have requested you to visit my communities. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Business Venture In Rankin Inlet

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to tell the House about a very successful venture undertaken in the Keewatin region by privately, Inuit owned, development corporations.

Recognizing that a need existed for upscale office and retail space in Rankin Inlet, the Kangiqliniq Development Corporation planned a major office and business facility in August, 1990.

Partial funding was secured under the 1987 Canada Northwest Territories Economic Development Agreement. It was with considerable pride that the people of Rankin Inlet saw the official opening of the Ikingutiqiit Business Centre on February 15, 1992.

Presently, Mr. Speaker, the almost 3,000 square feet of rental space is fully leased and houses several of the communities' most successful commercial enterprises. With the expansion and development of these business interests, I am pleased to note that 11 full time and three part time jobs have been created within the local workforce. Direct economic benefits of the centre have been estimated at about $1.5 million on an annual basis.

Building on this success, the Kangiqliniq Development Corporation is now preparing to access current E.D.A. funds to expand the centre, an initiative which promises to be just as successful as the original.

Mr. Speaker, the 11th Assembly Special Committee on the Northern Economy pointed out that developing an economy is a bit like playing a slot machine, to win you have to line up four essential elements. You need the right project, the right design, the right resources, the right people.

Mr. Speaker, initiatives like the Ikingutigiit Business Centre provide an example of how local companies, owned and managed by aboriginal people can line up these essential elements in a way that results in a big pay off for the community.

As we move towards the political evolution and the economic emergence of Nunavut, this is a model that we should all keep in mind. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Item 3, Members' statement. Member for Baffin Central .

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Development Of N.W.T. Commercial Products

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, honourable Members have heard comments in this House many times about the importance of developing new commercial products within the Northwest Territories.

I rise today to emphasize that these efforts must be accompanied by an aggressive approach to building product awareness within the marketplace. The Baffin fishery has proven that it can make an excellent product available at reasonable prices, while using harvesting practices that are environmentally sound. I believe the consumers in southern Canada would find these to be very attractive qualities in making product choices.

Mr. Speaker, the problem is that little work has been done to help southern consumers realize that northern products are on the market. I am sure that effective marketing campaigns should be mounted, to encourage people to insist on northern sea products at grocery stores and in their favourite restaurants. In other jurisdictions, responsibilities for developing product awareness initiative often lies with the provincial manufacturing association or marketing boards.

I am sure that honourable Members have seen their creative advertisement encouraging people to buy P.E.I potatoes, or butter made in Ontario, or Alberta, beef, and so on. In our small commercial sector, manufacturing groups lack the resources to mount such campaigns. If the Department of Economic Development is serious about helping northern businesses gain access to southern markets, the Minister will have to start finding ways to build product awareness, and encourage Canadians to insist on northern goods and services. I will be urging him to start this process immediately. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Zoe .

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Negotiation Of Dogrib Nation Regional Comprehensive Claim

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mahsi Cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to announce in the House today that exactly two weeks ago, the first assembly of the Dogrib Treaty 11 held its meeting in Rae on August 24 to August 28. At that meeting, they passed unanimously resolution number one, mandating the council to initiate and assume full control and responsibilities for negotiation for a Dogrib Nation regional comprehensive claim.

Mr. Speaker, the North Slave communities arrived at this historic decision after four days of discussion, and debate, held under the roof of the new cultural centre. Following each day's discussions, the delegates feasted together, and joined together in traditional activities. All in all, it was an historic week for the Tli Cho people, and a week, I believe, that will be talked about for a long time to come. Mr. Speaker, we came to a decision to negotiate a claim under the Federal Government's comprehensive claim process for a number of important reasons.

As Members of this House are aware, the inherent right to self-government will be soon entrenched in the Canadian constitution. This means, among other things, that the self-government agreement that we will be negotiating with the Federal Government, will be constitutionally protected. The Dogrib people place a great deal of substantive and symbolic significance with the treaty number 11 of 1921. It is critically important that the elders are involved in claims negotiations. If we wait too long, we will not have their understanding of the treaty.

Mr. Speaker, the biggest claims staking bonanza in Canadian history is taking place in the North Slave region. Soon there will be very little land to choose from. The settlement of the regional claims, along with the self-government agreement will provide a solid foundation on which a cooperative partnership between business, government, and the Dogrib people can take place.

Mr. Speaker, we were thinking of printing up a logo that says, "Diamonds are Dogrib's best friend."

...Applause

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Excuse me, Mr. Zoe , your time has expired.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, can I seek consent to conclude?

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

The Member is asking for unanimous consent to continue on his statement. Are there any nays? Proceed, Mr. Zoe .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, I was just complying with your request earlier to read more slowly. Thank you, Members.

---Laughter

As I was saying, we were thinking of printing up a logo that says, "Diamonds are Dogrib's best friend," but before we can do this, we need some assurance that we can meaningfully participate and benefit economically from the diamond production, and other industrial activities in the North Slave region. The best way to do this for the Dogrib people is to negotiate a land base, and a self-government agreement. In this way, decisions over economic and political matters will be made by the people who are most directly affected by the decisions: the Dogrib people.

Mahsi.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you, Mr. Zoe . Well, you have friends in this House since more time was available.

---Laughter

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Gargan .

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Member's Statement Regarding Honourable Don Morin

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as most Members in this House are parents, they will be aware that when young children miss out on something special, there is nothing more touching than the look on their face.

When confronted with the tender sight of a sad little child, most adults will try to ignore the disappointment for a while, but sooner or later, most of us break down and give in.

I myself have five children and I know that when a child really and truly longs for something, the child usually ends up getting what he or she wants.

I guess you could say that the disappointments of childhood are sometimes no different from the hurt feelings we experience as politicians.

As a Member of this House since 1983, I must admit, Mr. Speaker, that I have sat here with a glum look on my face for more than my share of the time.

I always thought, however, that these feelings of disappointment were only experienced by ordinary Members.

I feel compelled to make this Member's statement today, Mr. Speaker, because it appears that one of the Ministers has joined the ordinary Members' world of trampled dreams.

I am referring to the honourable Member for Tu Nedhe . Look at him, Mr. Speaker. Is he not charming?

---Laughter

I know that the honourable Member has watched silently and hopefully on occasions when, during their visits to Deh Cho, his Cabinet colleagues have been welcomed with a gift of the world famous moose hair pictures produced by traditional artists in my region.

The look of longing and disappointment on his face when he has watched them hanging up their art work has been enough to break my poor heart.

---Laughter

But, seriously, Mr. Speaker, I admire and respect the Minister for the position he has gained in this House. It has been my privilege to work with him, first as an ordinary Member, and now in his capacity as a Minister.

He has always been quite receptive to my requests and problems. That is not to say that he's done more for my constituency than others. I believe he has treated my constituency ...

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Excuse me, Mr. Gargan . Your time is up. Mr. Gargan , will you ask for unanimous consent to continue?

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Yes, Mr. Speaker. I would like to request consent to continue my statement.

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

The Member is asking for permission to continue on with his statement. Are there any nays? Proceed, then, Mr. Gargan .

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Member's Statement Regarding Honourable Don Morin

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, honourable Members. I believe he has treated my constituency the same as all others, no better, no worse.

But, my ache-y, break-y heart just will not let me...

---Laughter

...put up with that sorrowful look he has whenever he walks by Mr. Whitford 's moose hair picture!

So, for this reason, I would like to present the Minister for Tu Nedhe with a beautiful set of moose hair pictures.

Of course, Mr. Speaker, I would have preferred to present this gift during a ministerial visit to one of my communities, but I cannot wait forever!

---Applause

Further, Mr. Speaker, I want to be clear that, in expressing my appreciation, I do not anticipate any special favours nor special consideration for my constituency.

I would hope that, during the next four years as a Member, I will eventually have an opportunity to share these famous examples of Dene art with other Ministers or Members who wish to visit the communities of Deh Cho. Also, I do not wish a sudden rush of Ministers or Members to come. With your permission, Mr. Speaker, I would like to make the presentation.

---Laughter

With your permission, Mr. Speaker, I would ask the Minister, Mr. Morin , to come and accept this present. Thank you.

---Laughter

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Member's Statement Thanking Mr. Gargan For Presentation

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was caught by surprise here by the honourable Member. I have learned well from Mr. Gargan , if you ask long and hard enough, you usually end up getting something. Every time that I do see Sam, after I saw Tony's pictures, I have always asked him for this. Thank you very much, Sam.

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

I would like to inform Mr. Morin , in this House we do not use first names. Could you please use the last names? Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Pudlat .

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Question O740-12(2): Great Whale River Hydroelectric Project

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the environmental Minister. Is there any briefing at all from the Great Whale River hydroelectric project? Do you have any reports from that area? Do they get any bulletins from the Great Whale River pilot project and hydroelectric project, because we are going to have to deal properly with the environment in that area. There are a lot of opposing people on the project, because part of my constituents are so close to the community, I would like to ask the Minister of Environment, do they get all bulletins from that area?

I do not know what is happening down there, but can he notify me of what is happening on that project? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Can you repeat who you are asking that question to?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) The Minister of Environment.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Ludy Pudluk

Mr. Allooloo .

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Question O740-12(2): Great Whale River Hydroelectric Project

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I am aware of activities to do with the Great Whale River hydroelectric project. If the Member for Baffin South wants more information, I can arrange a briefing for him at his convenience. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Item 5, oral questions. Member for Thebacha .

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Question O741-12(2): Transmittal Of College Of Physicians And Surgeons Report

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health . Mr. Speaker, over the past couple of days I have asked the Minister of Health in respect to the board of inquiry process that he has set up and announced last Thursday.

Mr. Speaker, he has indicated that he has referred the report of the College of Physicians to the board of inquiry. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister, whether or not this report has been transmitted to the president of the board of inquiry? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Patterson .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

I do not know, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, it just completely amazes me that the Minister of Health can send out a press release, and I read it in the House yesterday, which states that Health Minister Dennis Patterson has referred a report by the Saskatchewan College of Physicians and Surgeons to a board of inquiry established under the Medical Profession Act. Now today, he tells me he does not know whether he did or not. Can the Minister tell me, yes or no, whether or not he has transmitted this report to the president of the board of inquiry? Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I do know that the board of inquiry has not yet been fully constituted. I have named the President, Dr. Earle Covert, but there is at least one other member that has to be appointed. That is a representative of the medical profession from within the Northwest Territories, who will be nominated by the Northwest Territories Medical Association, very shortly.

Mr. Speaker, since the board has not yet been fully constituted, I am not sure whether the report has been transmitted, but it certainly will be transmitted by the time the board has been fully constituted. Thank you.

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Thebacha

Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister advise this House as to whether or not he has given instructions for this report to be transmitted to the board of inquiry and to Dr. Earle Covert in Hay River? Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I do not think it is necessary for me to give instructions. I signed a letter to Dr. Covert informing him that I would be referring the report in question to the board of inquiry; and my department, and the appropriate officials are aware of this letter. I have not felt it necessary to instruct anyone. It will be done though, Mr. Speaker, because I have committed to do so in writing, and I have committed in public to do so. It will be done, with or without formal instructions from me to anyone. It will be done. Thank you.

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Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Wednesday, in this House, I asked the Minister when he feels this issue will be addressed. I quoted a

section out of the act indicating that once the board of inquiry is set up, they would work promptly. I asked for a definition from the Minister. He indicated, as immediate as possible, I believe, but I do not have access to the Hansard right in front of me. However, Mr. Speaker, it astounds me that now he does not know whether they have possession of this report. I would like to ask the Minister whether or not, because of his urgency to address this issue, the president of the board of inquiry has possession of the College of Physicians report that he set up last Thursday.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, again, I would like to explain the board has not been fully constituted because I am waiting for a nomination from the Northwest Territories Medical Profession which is meeting as soon as it can, within a matter of days, to nominate a representative of the Northwest Territories Medical Profession to serve on this board of inquiry. The board has not yet been fully constituted. As I said earlier, Mr.

Speaker, I do not know whether or not a report of the Saskatchewan College of Physicians and Surgeons has been transmitted to the president, but, in any event, the board would not receive that report for a period of time because the board does not exist in its full complement at the present time. There has to be one person appointed before the board is fully constituted and fully operational. Thank you.

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If I may, Mr. Speaker, I have been informed that the report has been sent to Dr. Covert.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . The Minister is aware of the tremendous effort and the financial resources devoted, so far, to building a viable commercial fishery in Baffin Island. Although some market outlets have been identified in southern Canada, I am sure that the Minister realizes the importance of building an awareness of the product at consumer level. Would the Minister be willing to consider an initiative which uses television and radio advertising to make southern consumers more aware of the Baffin's high quality seafood products, and the environmentally friendly harvesting practices used by the northern fishery?

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Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . The Minister may be aware of product awareness marketing initiatives undertaken by manufacturing associations and marketing boards in other jurisdictions to promote agricultural and forestry products. Would he be willing to complete an evaluation of their effectiveness, and consider using the same techniques to publicize and promote products from the Baffin fisheries among consumers in southern Canada?

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Yes, Mr. Speaker, although I would be wanting to represent all the products in the Northwest Territories, and maybe do it on a product basis, Mr. Speaker, so we are getting a global approach, but yes, I would be willing to look at that.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Health . Could the Minister indicate to me whether or not the report of the Saskatchewan College of Physicians and Surgeons was one of the documents that was sealed by the court?

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I have a little problem with that question, because with the court proceedings right now, and we do not know what is in there. At the moment we do not know what they are talking about regarding the Saskatchewan College. There is an action in the Supreme Court of the Northwest Territories and the proceedings have been adjourned, to the best of the Chair's knowledge, the matter deals with the report of the Saskatchewan College. It is hard to get all the facts, since the files have been sealed, and the full information has not yet been made available to the House.

It is the opinion of the Chair that the report is the basis of the accident, so any questions pertaining to the report would be out of order. If you, Mr. Nerysoo , could give a better indication of your question to me. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, I am not clear on the advice you are receiving and I am not clear on the instructions you are giving me, however, I must say that the Minister has referred to the matter of the report for the last three or four days. I am not clear, and maybe you can instruct the Members here as to how we can address this particular matter. I am not the one who raised the report. What I asked the honourable Member was whether or not it was one of the documents that had been sealed. I do not know, but he has referred to the document himself.

If you are ruling me out of order, I accept that, but I am not clear on the instructions that we are receiving. You are allowing the Minister to raise a report, and then telling us that we cannot question the matter on the report. Maybe you can have the Clerk and the legal advisors clarify that matter for us.

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I would like to advise the Member, since we have been sitting here almost three days now, to be sitting in the Chair it takes a while to try and find out the Member's concerns and try to put them together. I was trying to find out what your concern was with this issue. If you want to ask any of our advice, it is available, and my role sitting in the Chair is really not debatable. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, I realize that it is not in the interest of the Member to challenge your ruling. In fact, I am not challenging the ruling. What I am trying to get at is my privilege as a Member to ask questions on matters that have been raised by other Members in this House, and it is not my intention to challenge your rulings. In fact, I sat in that position, and I know the responsibility, however, Mr. Speaker, if I could ask a question of the Minister of Justice to clarify for me whether or not sealed court documents are not to be publicly utilized or transmitted, until those proceedings are, in fact, addressed.

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I will take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Thank you. The Minister is taking that question as notice. There was also a written question, number 053-12(2), about this same question, raised before. I do not really have the answer in my hands right now. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and Constitutional Development. There was a report done by Mr. Bourque and his group in regard to the Constitutional Development Commission. The report was done, and was reported to aboriginal groups in July, and in order for them to carry on with their work, they need to have approval for the second phase of this document. I would like to ask the Minister whether or not any further developments are required to the commission itself, and the direction they are taking.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I will respond since it is not a legal opinion that is being sought here. The committee of political leaders met late last spring, and had decided to take some time after receiving the report from the western commission, the phase one report that they would take the spring and summer to go to the respective memberships and constituencies, and the respective assemblies, to discuss the report and the recommendations within the report, and convening a meeting in the fall, this month, to advise one another of the discussions and the conclusions of their consultations.

The committee is comprised of the representatives of the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation, the Dene Nation, the Metis Nation, the Gwich'in Tribal Council, the Sahtu Tribal Council, the government, and the Legislative Assembly, and I believe now the Dogrib Treaty 11 Council. It was this committee that developed the terms of reference for the constitutional commission in the first place, and had recommended its establishment.

I believe that, as of today, there is an agreement that the committee will meet on Tuesday of next week, September 16, at 6:00 p.m. to report to one another on the work that we have all conducted through the course of the summer, and to discuss what we should do from here on, and I hope that we do have the meeting as we planned, and that we will have something positive to report to this Assembly as a result of the meeting. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Chairman, during these last six months, there has been bilateral discussions on the Canadian constitution, in which new developments have occurred, like the inherent right to self-government. Further, there is a gratification for the referendum that is going to be happening October 25. I would like to ask the Minister whether or not, in the event that the referendum supports the constitutional package as is, will it deter from this document at all, should the commission continue, in spite of new developments that are happening with the constitutional talks.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I think all the aboriginal leaders, the aboriginal organizations in the Northwest Territories, and this government, have taken the approach that the inherent right to self-government is one of the basic principles that guide our discussions, and the nature of our discussions in political and constitutional issues. If the present constitutional package as agreed to by the Federal Government, provinces, and the territories, and the aboriginal organizations in August is agreed to, the constitution is amended to reflect that.

I think, in law, the position and the work will strengthen, that is, we operate as if those principles are in fact constitutionalized and the law, but they are not. So, I believe that the position of the aboriginal organizations will be only enhanced and strengthened in these negotiations. Thank you.

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Question O746-12(2): Update On Utility Rates Study

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have raised this question quite a few times and it is not new to the Minister. My question is regarding the utility rates. It is very different for the utility rates across the Northwest Territories. Can the Minister advise us, if they have completed the study on the utility rates, why they are so different across the Northwest Territories? Can the Minister advise us the answer today or during the session? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ludy Pudluk

Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I would like to say that the study has been completed but to restate once again, that when we took over the responsibility for the Power Corporation, each community had different rates. At this point in time, the study is still going on. It is before the Public Utilities Board, and we anticipate by late this fall, the study will be complete, and that there will be some assessment on what we can do in terms of new rate structures. It is not complete at this time. Thank you.

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Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. I would like to recognize in the gallery, Russian experts and lecturers. The group of Russian experts have been visiting the Northwest Territories under the current program of Scientific and Technical Corporation between Russia and Canada, and the Arctic and the north. The Russian delegation will consist of the following: I have a difficult time announcing these names, the Deputy Minister for Culture and Construction; and the President of the Association for Economic Corporation; and Chief Architects, State Project Institute in Yakutsk. Please rise.

---Applause

Welcome to Yellowknife, Northwest Territories. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Gargan .

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Question O747-12(2): Training Of R.c.m.p. Reserves In The N.w.t.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, many years ago I asked whether or not there may be an opportunity to implement a new police force, and I referred on many occasions to Alaska. Alaska has public safety officers, or peace officers. They have an arrangement where there are no R.C.M.P., the local people chose people to do that.

This morning, on the radio, Mr. Speaker, the superintendent of the R.C.M.P. said that they are going to start training people as reserve or R.C.M.P. reserves. They are going to train them to handle little things, where there are no R.C.M.P. and even where there are R.C.M.P. They would train them. I would like to ask the Minister of Justice , under the aboriginal people and justice administration discussion paper done by the Minister of Justice , Kim Campbell, it does say in there that pilot projects will be made with territorial and aboriginal communities to test community based approaches of policing, reserve, crime prevention, adjudication, and dispute resolution corrections and release.

I would like to ask whether or not, that as a result of this report, or discussion paper, that the R.C.M.P. are moving in that direction.

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Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I have met with the R.C.M.P. executive here, shortly after I was appointed as the Minister. I had one good talk with them. This statement, I just found out about it, the same as the Member, through the C.B.C. this morning. We have not ironed out our communication yet, but, hopefully, we will improve on it.

The Government of the Northwest Territories has worked jointly with the R.C.M.P., for some time, in looking at flushing out a proposal that would look at setting up a reserve R.C.M.P. force in communities in the Northwest Territories to assist R.C.M.P. in carrying out their duties. This has been submitted to the Solicitor General in Ottawa. The expectation is much as C.B.C. reported, it would help the R.C.M.P. in carrying out their duties in communities, it would assist communities in taking on more responsibility, and developing a sense of ownership.

Where the policing function that is carried out now solely by the R.C.M.P., that it would be a volunteer force, probably in tradition of the north, there would be some small per diem paid, some small fee paid for the work. There would probably be a uniform and something like firearms training, and other types of training, that would be provided by the R.C.M.P. themselves. That is about the extent of the information that I had, as well. Thank you.

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Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question O748-12(2): Heating Fuel Transported To Pelly Bay

Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Transportation . Seeing as winter is just around the corner, Mr. Speaker, having lived many winters in the past, knowing that winters are very cold, being aware that every home in Pelly Bay is heated by P50 heating fuel, I recognize the government has drastically cut some of its government services to the public. My question, Mr. Speaker, is how much heating fuel has been brought to my community of Pelly Bay by ship, which has been neglected in the past?

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Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, up until September 1 this year, Pelly was indeed the only community that was situated on the waterfront that had no ships or shipping facilities. As of September 1 this year, that ended when the coastguard delivered two ceremonial barrels of fuel to Pelly Bay. Mr. Speaker, the delivery of that fuel, I think, was the end result of a long struggle that the honourable Member had initially launched when he first came into the House, to reduce shipping costs into his community. The amount delivered was relatively small, Mr.

Speaker, 90 gallons, one barrel of gas, and one barrel of heating fuel were delivered to the Mayor and the M.L.A. for the distribution to the community for gas for their snowmobiles, we hope. Maybe get a few caribou out of it, and then the heating fuel for the heating of the community hall. So, all together, 90 gallons, sir.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister be sure the next delivery will have a little more than 95 gallons of fuel? Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Yes, Mr. Speaker, and I can assure you that the costs will be substantially lower than what it is now.

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Question O749-12(2): Consultation With Moving Companies Regarding Proposed Tariff

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, in his budget address, the Minister of Finance announced the introduction of a published fee

schedule listing what the government will pay moving companies to relocate government staff. I find this somewhat unusual, Mr. Speaker; I am not aware of other circumstances where competitive industries quote what they may charge. I do not believe the government tells airlines what we will pay for tickets. I do not believe the government tells stationery stores what we will pay for pencils. So, this seems to me a thoroughly new area where we are moving into telling a competitive industry what they may charge.

It seems very strange that we are now telling northern owned companies, many of which are owned by aboriginal people, what the government will pay for providing services. Can the Minister of Finance advise this House whether there was any consultation entered into with the moving companies in the setting up of this proposed tariff.

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Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the reason for this tariff was that it was identified to us by the Department of Personnel that if two employees of government, one of the federal government, and one of the territorial government, lived in similar sized houses adjacent to one another in the same community, and they were both transferred on the same day, the moving company would come and pick up the federal employee at one rate, and move his or her effects to their next destination, and then come back and pick up the territorial government employee, and the rates were substantially more.

Now, I believe the Department of Personnel investigated this with other jurisdictions, and suggested to the Financial Management Board that there seemed to be some difference in the rates that we were being charged, and the federal government was being charged. There was an examination. I am not able to tell the Member if there were

consultations with the moving industry prior to, but certainly the thing was examined, and the moving industry has been consulted since the report has been adopted. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Dent .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Something I would like to address to the same Minister. If the Minister has indicated that the moving companies have had a chance to respond, could he inform the House what the response was from the moving companies to the proposed tariff?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I understand that they have responded, but they have not responded to me, sir, they may have responded to the Department of Personnel, so I would defer to the Department of Personnel.

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Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Before we go any further in Item 5, the Member for Mackenzie Delta who was asking for a legal opinion, and I would like to indicate now you can get the legal opinion, but not on the ruling. Now Legal Counsel is available. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will take your advice, and, in fact, ask for a legal opinion, but rather than do it here, I will take the opportunity to have the legal advisor provide me with a detailed, written legal

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Thank you. We will go back to Item 5. Supplementary, Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure if it is a supplementary. The Minister of Finance seemed to refer an answer to the Minister of Personnel, and I did not get a response to the question as to what the results were from moving companies to the proposed introduction of this tariff.

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Ludy Pudluk

Mr. Pollard . I am sorry, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, when the Government of the Northwest Territories decided to use its federal government tariff rates, we contacted all the northern moving contractors, and their national affiliates, to do business with us at these rates, and let them know that we intended to use these new rates at the first day of August. There was some reaction in that only two northern contractors, both of whom are agents of the same national van lines, indicated that they would do business with us and accept the rates.

However, we were concerned about awarding our business to only one van line, as it would create a monopoly, and it may lead to a major disruption to the moving industry in the north, and affect the level of service that is present to the public at this time. There was a strong political lobby by the other movers protesting this. Many of the northern contractors said that the rates were too low, and many of them did not respond formally at all.

They gave two reasons for objecting or declining to do business with us at these rates, but they continue to do business with the federal government at these rates, and there are a couple of reasons for it. One is that many of the national movers do business with what they consider a rather unprofitable northern market, because of the high volume of southern business that they do, and this compensates for what they see as a less profitable northern business. So, the other is just a logistical advantage in that most southern moves go east/west, and they fill on both ends, both runs.

With northern moves, many times I think there is a problem with a leg running empty. Those were the reasons they gave for having problems with this newly introduced proposed tariff. We are going to distribute the revised tariff, and the offer of business to contractors. I believe this was done the week of August 24. We proposed to implement the revised tariff October 1 of this year. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Before I recognize Mr. Dent , the Chair would like to recognize the visitors in the gallery today, members of the St. Patrick's grade 11 social studies class and their teacher, Mr. Randy Rivers.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the Minister's answer to my question indicated the basic problem. The tariffs we are comparing to were probably negotiated on a Canada-wide basis, and may not be effective up here. I think that we run the risk of driving some northern owned companies into serious financial trouble if we are not careful. Since the Minister has indicated that the tariff is scheduled to be introduced on October 1, I understand the companies have been given until September 15 to react.

This seems like a short period of time, and I would like to ask the Minister, will he agree to delay the implementation and the deadline for consultation with northern moving companies by one month, at least, to allow for the companies to respond to the plan, and to ensure that we have a fully informed debate on this issue in this House?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Question O751-12(2): Assistance To Small Businesses

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 884

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister for Economic Development and Tourism , who is also the Minister of Finance . Mr. Speaker, given the business community is a fundamentally important part of our economy in the N.W.T., it is also economically an important part of the G.N.W.T., this includes economic growth and social well being. I would like to know if the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism will do everything in his power to see that, in the coming year, the small businesses across the territories that are locally owned, either in a small community or in a larger centre such as Yellowknife, Hay River,

I am sure he will not miss Hay River, Rankin Inlet, Iqaluit etc. Mr. Speaker, people of Pelly Bay, Gjoa Haven and Spence Bay feel that they have not been given a fair chance when it comes to the running of business. I would like to know if the Minister will be looking into this matter seriously. Thank you.

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Thank you. Mr. Pollard .

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Hay River

Yes, Mr. Speaker, I will look into the matter.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A number of concerns that have come out from three of my communities, one has come to dealing with the contracts that were spoken about the last few days. They do not get the consideration from the government, mainly from Economic Development within the region. A number of times they have not been successful in getting the contract, which they feel they deserve to get their fair share of, and it is still because of the lack of assistance from the regional staff. I would like to ask the Minister if he will ensure that his staff, within the Kitikmeot region, work very closely with the small businesses within the region. Thank you.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will issue a directive in that regard. Thank you.

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Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Member for Thebacha .

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Question O752-12(2): Closing Date For Thebacha Campus Catering Contract

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 885

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education . Mr. Speaker, I wrote to the Minister of Education earlier this week, however, I recognize he was out of town and out of the House, so I do not believe he received my correspondence until yesterday. Mr. Speaker, I met with the Minister of Education , last week, in requesting an extension to the proposal request for Arctic College's contract for food services at Thebacha campus cafeteria.

Last summer, Members will recall that I brought this issue up, and shortly after we adjourned, Arctic College decided to cancel the tendering process, and bring it forth as a request for proposal. The Minister, last week, and I appreciate his response to that, in my request for asking for an extension, considered a one week extension to the closure of this proposal request. Recognizing the number of concerns in my four page letter I sent to the Minister, I would like to ask him if he has reconsidered an additional extension to this proposal call for contracting food services at the Thebacha campus cafeteria.

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Thank you. Mr. Arvaluk .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, we have not considered extending, again, the proposal. We have already extended it for one week, and we have decided not to extend it again after today's deadline.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 885

James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The awarding of the contracts is done by the Arctic College through Government Services. The criteria for the invitation of proposals outline specifically as to what is to be considered. In fact, if I may, Mr. Speaker, the implication for proposal, whether it is catering or the construction by Government Services or Department of Public Works, are not any different at all, because of the substantial amount of a contract like that. Everything has to be very clear and specific to ensure that the proposals are under these standards.

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Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Further supplementary, Member for Thebacha .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister has indicated that some of these requests for the proposals are somewhat similar to government services and when contracts are awarded, however, I would like to differ with that opinion.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to know and ask the Minister, as to why it is necessary for the college's administration to receive detailed information about each firm's labour and training practices, recruitment techniques, copies of employees' handbooks, require bidders to submit an organizational chart which establishes lines of communication and responsibility, present criteria used in the evaluation of the units manager performance and management skills, that will be required to be submitted for the proposal.

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Ludy Pudluk

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have reviewed the document, and agreed to look at the document again. Whether there would be a requirement for improvement for the purpose of the northern incentive policy, at the moment

there is a guideline there that will allow Arctic College to watch the costs to make sure that it is cost effective, and also watch the quality of the food that will be catered to the students under the tenants nutrition food guidelines. Theses details are part of the insurance that the government will get the best deal possible for the students whom we are serving.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Final supplementary, Member for Thebacha .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 886

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister did not answer my question. I would like to know why is it necessary for the college's administration to receive detailed information about each firm's labour and training practices, recruitment techniques and a copy of the employees' handbooks? I would like to know why does the college want all this detailed information from the proposed bidders that they have requested proposal calls from? Thank you.

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Ludy Pudluk

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To keep the costs down, we have done exactly the same thing in the Baffin and the Keewatin, and it was reported to us that it has significantly reduced the cost to the government.

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Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Question O753-12(2): Community Operated Drug And Alcohol Projects Funding Requirements

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 886

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Social Services . He should be aware that the first addictions program in the eastern Arctic, Aqsarniq in Rankin Inlet, has offered counselling and educational services in alcohol since 1972.

I am dismayed that the Department of Social Services has provided no substantial increases in the funding over the last three years. I am even more concerned to note that the vast majority of these community based drug and alcohol programs are in the same boat.

The question I have for the Minister is, what is the Minister doing to review the immediate and the long term funding requirements of drug and alcohol projects operated by community organizations funded through the Department of Social Services contribution funding?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Patterson .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am well aware of the concerns of groups like the Aqsarniq project in the Member's constituency, and I can inform the House that I have had discussions with the Minister of Finance and Members of Cabinet about these issues. I have had discussions with the Alcohol and Drug Board of Management about these problems, and I can only say at the moment that although I have nothing to report to this House today, it is under active consideration. I hope that in future, with the support of this House, measures can be taken to improve our support to these very important community projects. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Question period time has expired. We will recess for 15 minutes.

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Item 6, written questions. Member for Thebacha .

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Written Question 54-12(2): Procedures Within The Department Of Health

Item 6: Written Questions

Page 886

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My written question is for the Minister of Health . Mr. Speaker, I respectfully draw your attention to the fact that this question, I believe, does not specifically deal with the matter that is before the board of inquiry established under the Medical Profession Act.

Instead these questions deal with the procedures used within the Department of Health by the Minister and his Health officials, prior to the appointment and activity of the board.

Mr. Speaker, would the Minister of Health please provide this House with the following:

1. A listing of material and correspondence forwarded to Dr. Covert during the interval between August 1 and September 11, 1992, clearly showing the dates and source of transmittal.

2. Any correspondence provided to the Northwest Territories Medical Association respecting the establishment of the board of inquiry, or appointments to that particular body.

Thank you.

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Item 6: Written Questions

Page 886

The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 6, written questions. Item 7, returns to written questions. Item 8, replies to opening address. Item 9, replies to budget address. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Zoe .

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Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 886

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, I would like to table, Tabled Document 80-12(2), resolution number one from the Dogrib Treaty 11 Council.

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 13, tabling of documents. Member for Thebacha .

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Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have three documents to be tabled today. Mr. Speaker, Tabled Document 81-12(2), is a copy of the correspondence from the Minister of Health to me dated September 10, 1992. Tabled Document 82-12(2), is a copy of correspondence that I have transmitted to the Minister of Health this morning, my reply to his comments about the Fort Smith Health Centre. Tabled Document 83-12(2), is a copy of the opinion in regards to the Slave River Journal September 9, titled, "Time For A Check Up." Thank you.

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Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 13, tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 16, motions, 70-12(2) public inquiry into medical services in Fort Smith. Member for Thebacha .

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Motion 30-12(2): Public Inquiry Into Medical Services In Fort Smith

Item 16: Motions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I believe under the rules of this House, I have until Monday to address my motion, and I intend to do that on Monday. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 16, motions. Item 17, first reading of bills. Mr. Arvaluk .

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First Reading Of Bill 31:

An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Page 887

James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member from Hay River , that Bill 31,

an Act to Amend the Student Financial Assistance Act be read for the first time.

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An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Page 887

The Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Motion is in order. To the motion. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Bill 31 has had first reading. Mr. Kakfwi .

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First Reading Of Bill 32:

An Act To Amend The Young Offenders' Act, No. 2

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Page 887

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member from Tu Nedhe , that Bill 32 ,

an Act to Amend the Young Offenders' Act, No. 2 be read for the first time.

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