Consumer Protection Act, Motor Vehicles Act, Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, Elections Act — 14 February 2003 (14th Assembly, 6th Session, pp. 61–86)
2003-02-14, 14th Assembly 6th Session, pp. 61–86
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of Feb. 14th, 2003
This is page numbers 61 - 86 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was standing .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Diand Announcement Regarding Federal Pipeline Commitment
Formula-based Funding To Community Governments
Legislative Compliance With Land Claim Agreements
Petition On Affordable Housing
Hay River District Education Authority
Northern Stars 2003 Figure Skating Competition Hosted By Inuvik
American Field Service Young Workers' Program
Review Of Income Support Programs
Waste Reduction And Recovery Legislation
Valentine's Day Greetings To Wife And Family
Nahendeh Constituency Tour
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Northern Love Story
Wildlife Act Compliance With Land Claim Agreements
Location Of Federal Pipeline Readiness Office
Hay River District Education Authority
Impact Benefit Agreements And Income Support
Waste Reduction And Recovery Legislation
Alcohol And Drug Treatment For Youth
Housing Construction In NWT Communities
Legislative Compliance With Land Claim Agreements
Waste Reduction And Recovery Legislation
Bill 4:
An Act To Amend The Consumer Protection Act
Bill 5:
An Act To Amend The Motor Vehicles Act
Bill 6: Electoral Boundaries Commission Act
Bill 7:
An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act
Bill 8:
An Act To Amend The Elections Act
Bill 3: Appropriation Act, 2003-2004
Committee Report 3-14(6): Standing Committee On Accountability And Oversight Report On The Review Of The Draft 2003-2004 Main Estimates
corporate Capital Planning (ccp) Process
main Street Paving For Non-taxed-based Communities
proposed Revenue Initiatives
proposed Increase To Administration Fee Surchargedepartment Of Public Works And Services
evergreening - Desktop Computer Replacement Program
Motion To Move Committee Report 3-14(6) Into Committee Of The Whole
Committee Report 4-14(6): Standing Committee On Governance And Economic Development Report On The Review Of The Draft 2003-2004 Main Estimates
corporate Capital Planning Process
proposed Revenue Initiatives
department Of Public Works And Servicesproposed Increase To Administration Fee Surcharge
evergreening - Desktop Computer Replacement Program
Motion To Move Committee Report 4-14(6) Into Committee Of The Whole
Committee Report 5-14(6): Standing Committee On Social Programs Report On The Review Of The Draft 2003-2004 Main Estimates
Motion To Move Committee Report 5-14(6) Into Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Bill 3: Appropriation Act, 2003-2004
minister's Opening Remarks
standing Committee On Social Programs Comments
Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 23: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Honourable Roger Allen , Honourable Jim Antoine , Mr. Bell , Mr. Braden , Mr. Delorey , Mr. Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Mr. McLeod , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Nitah , Honourable Jake Ootes , Mr. Roland , Honourable Vince Steen , Honourable Tony Whitford .
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---Prayer
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 61
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Bonjour, mes ami. Happy Valentine's Day. Before we proceed to the business of the day, I would like to take this opportunity in recognition of tomorrow being National Flag of Canada Day. All across Canada, people will be celebrating the 38th anniversary of our national flag. Along with the national anthem, the flag is the most important symbol of our country. The flat represents not only the country's land and its people, but also its values. I would like to take this moment to tell you a little bit about the history of our flag.
Some of you may remember back to the events that took place some 38 years ago. The official ceremony initiating the new Canadian flag was held on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on February 15, 1965 with the Governor General Georges Vanier, Prime Minister Lester B. Pearson and Members of the Cabinet and thousands of Canadians in attendance. The Canadian flag bearing the Union Jack and the shield of the Royal Arms of Canada was lowered and then on the stroke of noon, our new maple leaf was raised. The crowd sang the national anthem, O Canada, followed by the royal anthem of God Save the Queen.
The following words were spoken on that momentous day by the Speaker of the Senate, adding further symbolic meaning to our flag. He said, and I quote: "The flag is a symbol of our nation's unity, for it, beyond any doubt, represents all the citizens of Canada without distinction of race, language, belief or opinion."
The NWT Celebrate Canada Committee and I would like to invite you to celebrate the 28th anniversary of the national flag of Canada on Saturday, that's tomorrow, February 15th, outside by the flag stand and later in the Great Hall of the Legislative Assembly at noon where there will be some celebrations taking place. Thank you.
---Applause
Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine .
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Minister's Statement 8-14(6): Diand Announcement Regarding Federal Pipeline Commitment
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 61
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories commends yesterday's announcement by the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs to create a pipeline readiness office in Yellowknife. This is an important first step in the federal government's commitment to support the construction of a natural gas pipeline in the Northwest Territories.
DIAND announced $10 million towards the creation of the pipeline readiness office in DIAND's NWT regional office in Yellowknife. It will enhance its capacity to deal with industry, coordinate with other government organizations and work with Northerners. It is our understanding that the pipeline readiness office will have a staff of approximately seven people when up and running.
Minister Nault also announced an additional $6 million for northern boards that will be conducting regulatory reviews for a pipeline application. These funds will assist them in meeting their growing demands, which include increased pipeline planning, environmental assessment and regulatory reviews. In June 2002, these northern boards, along with the National Energy Board, undertook the development of a cooperation plan to coordinate the regulatory reviews of a pipeline application. It is our understanding that a secretariat will be created to provide support services to all signatories of the cooperation plan.
We were also pleased to hear Minister Nault's statement that market forces must decide when and where a pipeline is built, and that he will take that message to Washington. This has been the position of our government for some time.
Mr. Speaker, we were encouraged that the federal Minister made mention of future contributions that will be made by DIAND as well as other government agencies. These funds will assist in the development of our northern resources. To date, our government has been disappointed by the federal government's lack of financial support. We hope that the Minister's statement yesterday indicates a new willingness by the federal government to contribute its fair share. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Minister's Statement 8-14(6): Diand Announcement Regarding Federal Pipeline Commitment
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 61
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Mahsi, Mr. Antoine . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Handley .
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Minister's Statement 9-14(6): Formula-based Funding To Community Governments
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 61
Joe Handley
Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to clarify how this government determines program, community and capital funding levels.
The overwhelming majority of our funding is allocated to programs, communities and capital investments based on need, not on per capita formulas. Programs such as health care, education and housing are provided to our residents based on relative need, irrespective of what this costs on a per capita basis. Capital investments are also based on need, not per capita. Municipal funding provided through the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs is one of these very few areas where population is considered in funding allocations. In this case, community entitlements are adjusted for the different costs incurred by each community in delivering municipal services to their residents.
Mr. Speaker, the fact that we provide funding on a needs basis is illustrated well in the geographic tracking of expenditures report we issue each year. This report shows that the government's spending on a per capita basis varies widely among communities because relative needs are taken into account as well as each community's ability to raise their own revenues.
For example, in fiscal year 1989-99 we spent $11,687 per capita for services to the residents of Fort Simpson, $6,040 per capita Yellowknife, $17,476 per capita in Lutselk'e and $14,961 per capita in Tulita. Clearly, relative needs drive these numbers, not equal per capita allocations.
Mr. Speaker, our capital funding allocations are also based on need. For example, taking the last ten years of capital spending into account, the average capital investment by community has ranged from $14,000 per capita in Fort Resolution, to $6,000 per capita in Hay River, $23,000 per capita in Tulita and $3,000 per capita in Yellowknife. These numbers are different because we do not determine allocations on the basis of per capita entitlements, rather we use relative need.
Mr. Speaker, the per capita methodology that the federal government was proposing to use to determine the territories' share of health care funding does not resemble in any way the approach that our government uses to allocate the vast majority of our program, community and capital funding. Thank you.
---Applause
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Minister's Statement 9-14(6): Formula-based Funding To Community Governments
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 62
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Pretty boisterous bunch today. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .
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Legislative Compliance With Land Claim Agreements
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 62
David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am appalled that the Wildlife Act amendments will not be coming forth in the term of this Assembly. Mr. Speaker, it has been almost 10 years since the Gwich'in have signed a comprehensive land claim agreement. It has been a little over nine years since the Sahtu Dene-Metis signed a claim.
Mr. Speaker, the last time any major amendments took place in this House was in 1994, in regards to the Wildlife Act amendments, to allow for an Inuvialuit land claims comprehensive claim, to allow for the amendments to enact that legislation and their agreements. Mr. Speaker, the Minister at the time, who is now the Premier , Minister Kakfwi , presented the introduction to legislation on Bill 12, recognizing the implantations provisions in the Inuvialuit final agreement and giving effect to the western claim settlement agreement. Bill 12 was developed to consult the representation ensuring the Inuvialuit continue to clarify and carry out the provisions of the wildlife agreement.
Mr. Speaker, it's interesting to note that, at that time, the standing committee of the Legislative Assembly, which was chaired by Mr. Gargan who was the previous Speaker of the House, stated: "In review of Bill 12,
An Act To Amend The Wildlife Act, this bill amends the act to recognize the provisions of Inuvialuit Final Agreement as they pertain to wildlife harvesting and management. The bill further provides the commissioner authority to develop regulations regarding implementation and recognition of existing and future land claims."
The Inuvialuit Final Agreement was signed in 1984, 10 years ago. In the Northwest Territories, there has been three more land claims being signed by, in particular, the Gwich'in, the Sahtu and Inuvialuit. The committee is concerned with the length of time that it takes the government to introduce legislation concerning claims groups and the land claims regions.
Further Mr. Speaker, the committee is disappointed that the government has not taken the opportunity to introduce further amendments to enact the existing land claim agreements. Mr. Speaker, many concerns have been voiced in the 10 years previous. Mr. Speaker, why is it that it takes this government that length of time to act on land claims legislation, Mr. Speaker?
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Legislative Compliance With Land Claim Agreements
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 62
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Member's time for Members' statements has expired. He is seeking unanimous consent to conclude. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Krutko , you may conclude your statement.
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Legislative Compliance With Land Claim Agreements
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 62
David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, at that time, the committee recognized that it has taken over 10 years to implement the Inuvialuit land claim agreement. Yet, Mr. Speaker, today we are here again 10 years later, after the Gwich'in land claim has been settled, signed, and yet, Mr. Speaker, this government is not carrying out its obligation to implement those land claim agreements to enact legislation.
Mr. Speaker, I have to commend my colleague, Mr. Dent , for taking the initiative to come forth with a private Member's bill to look at amending the wildlife agreement.
---Applause
Yet, Mr. Speaker, is that the route that we will have to take to enact legislation that this government is responsible for by way of the wildlife legislation? So, Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time, I will be having questions for the Minister responsible for the Wildlife Act. Thank you.
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Legislative Compliance With Land Claim Agreements
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 62
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .
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Petition On Affordable Housing
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 62
Bill Braden
Great Slave
Merci, Mr. Speaker. In the last few weeks, I have had the opportunity to join two Yellowknifers in running a petition to get more affordable rental housing legislation in the NWT. To date, Barry Newman, Mark Zimmer and I have collected more than 300 signatures. I will be bringing this petition into the House in early March, Mr. Speaker, so there is still time for people to sign it and show their support for this critical need.
But you know, besides this show of support, I have been very pleased with the amount of discussion and debate that this petition has helped create in the midst of a very, very tight housing market in Yellowknife.
One of the recent commentaries was an editorial in that fine newspaper, The Yellowknifer. The paper clearly supported one of the petition's objectives, which is to urge government to help the construction of more affordable rental housing in the communities, not just in Yellowknife.
But the paper took the wrong direction, Mr. Speaker, with its hasty and mistaken conclusion that the legislation we are looking for amounts to rent controls. This is a simplistic view and it is simply wrong.
What we are seeking, Mr. Speaker, is a better way for our rentals office to be able to help landlords and tenants to iron out disputes concerning rent hikes that are too darn high and come too darn often for people to cope with.
When I was in one of the shopping malls collecting signatures, Mr. Speaker, I spoke with an elderly gentlemen who has his grandchildren, who are now young adults, staying in his apartment because they can't afford to be on their own.
I spoke with a young couple about to start a family who are now paying $1,430.00 for their three bedroom unit. Two years ago, Mr. Speaker, they were paying $905.00.
I spoke with a woman who has been living in Yellowknife for two years but says she just doesn't feel established as a resident because she can't get a place that she is ready to call home.
Mr. Speaker, these are the messages that I am getting and I know other MLAs are getting these messages, too. I know there are better ways to deal with rental issues than our 15-year-old act and I hope our petition will help us get there. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Petition On Affordable Housing
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 63
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Braden . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Delorey .
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Hay River District Education Authority
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 63
Paul Delorey
Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I sat in this Chamber yesterday and listened to the Honourable Joe Handley deliver an address to the people of the Northwest Territories and, on the surface, it painted a very rosy picture as to where we started from three years ago, where we are today and where we are going.
Mr. Speaker, the financial picture at a quick glance, depicts success stories on every front as to the great job we have done on spending the limited resources. Mr. Speaker, the finance Minster spoke of building partnerships, strong partnerships and all we have been able to achieve through those partnerships.
Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, not everyone would agree with our success stories and that all our partnerships operate in harmonious bliss.
For example, Mr. Speaker, I have on a number of occasions raised concerns about the dysfunctional partnership which exists within the South Slave District Education Council. This partnership has been referred to, Mr. Speaker, as "one born in hell" and indications are that things are not showing signs of improvement. To the contrary.
Mr. Speaker, the Minister boasted about increased spending in education of over $46 million dollars from 1999/2000 to 2002/2003 and another $8 million dollars added to Education Culture and Employment's budget this year to maintain this government's commitment to education.
Mr. Speaker, this represents a total budget of $210 million dollars for 2003/2004. Yet, Mr. Speaker, the Hay River DEA is forced to cut its already under funded budget by some six percent.
The Hay River DEA represents about 50 percent of students in the entire South Slave region, over 900 students. Yet, Mr. Speaker, they carry the same voting power as the smallest DEA with less than 100 students.
Mr. Speaker, on Saturday, February 8, Fort Resolution, Lutselk'e and Hay River Reserve outvoted Hay River and Fort Smith for the redistribution of some $190,000. To do this on the backs of Hay River students is deplorable and totally unacceptable.
Mr. Speaker, I have stood in this House on many occasions and advocated for a separate district education council for Hay River to protect the interests of Hay River students and the largest student population in the South Slave. Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Education ....
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Hay River District Education Authority
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 63
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Mr. Delorey , your time for Members' statements is up. Mr. Delorey .
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Hay River District Education Authority
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 63
Paul Delorey
Hay River North
Mr. Speaker, I seek the colleagues' consent to conclude my statement.
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Hay River District Education Authority
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 63
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his Member's statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Delorey , you may conclude your statement.
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Hay River District Education Authority
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 63
Paul Delorey
Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment has always basically indicated that the district education council and the DEAs should work it out amongst themselves. Mr. Speaker, it's not working. In fact, it is broken beyond repair. As far as I and a lot of others are concerned, I demand that this Minister do something about it for the sake of our students. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Delorey . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .
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Northern Stars 2003 Figure Skating Competition Hosted By Inuvik
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 63
Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rarely have an opportunity to stand up in this House and talk of positive things and unity, and this is one of the times I have an opportunity. Today I would like to speak about the Inuvik Figure Skating Club's involvement in the Northern Stars 2003 figure skating program. Mr. Speaker, the Inuvik Figure Skating Club was proud to host the Northern Stars 2003 NWT Territorial Figure Skating Championships held on January 31st to February 1st. The club last hosted this event four years ago.
Figure skating clubs from Fort Smith, Hay River, Fort Simpson, Yellowknife and the Great Slave clubs, both from Yellowknife, also were represented along with the Inuvik Figure Skating Club. There were 65 skaters who competed in the Star Skate competition sanctioned by Skate Canada. Twelve NWT skaters, including one from Inuvik, will be advancing to the Star Skate finals in Whitecourt, Alberta. A fun meet was also held to provide a venue for all skaters from ages two to 24 years to show their stuff, so to speak, Mr. Speaker. All of them came away with a medal and trophy.
The skating competition went smoothly and a banquet that was to be held for the medals and trophy presentations went well. They are proud to say that the Inuvik Figure Skating Club won the best overall club trophy. This event was organized by volunteers, most of them full-time workers and many of them working at this event for the first time. Due to the last minute problem with the caterer, this group of volunteers came together to provide a truly wonderful and delicious northern-style feast.
This event could not have been possible without the hard work, dedication and generosity of the club's volunteers and the generosity of our many sponsors in the Inuvik region. We wish good luck to the NWT team going to Alberta. In closing, Mr. Speaker, I wish my wife and family back home a happy Valentine's.
---Applause
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Northern Stars 2003 Figure Skating Competition Hosted By Inuvik
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 64
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Roland . We all do as well. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bell .
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American Field Service Young Workers' Program
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 64
Brendan Bell
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on February 20th of this year, six young men and women from Yellowknife and Rae will be leaving Canada and heading to Central America where they will take
part in something called the Young Workers' Program. The Young Workers' Program is a 12-month inter-culture Canada program run by the AFS. If you are wondering, Mr. Speaker, what the AFS stands for - and I know I was - it stands for the American Field Service. It originated more than 85 years ago shortly after the outbreak of the First World War. It was a group of volunteer Americans living in Paris that got it started. The work of these volunteers could be expanded across the globe during the Second World War, and today it's a fine cultural exchange program based on the idea, Mr.
Speaker, that understanding and appreciating the different cultures of the world could help us avoid conflict. More than 290,000 youth have now taken
part in cultural exchanges with this program and this year, Mr. Speaker, the number is about 10,000 students of young adults and teachers who will be participating. Three of our youth are heading to Panama and three to Honduras where they will be working in fields such as ecotourism and carpentry for six months, all the while, Mr. Speaker, being immersed in a new language, culture and way of life. Following the six months away, they will return to Canada, but they will share their experiences gained, along with memories, I am sure, to cherish for a lifetime.
These young men and women have been working towards their exchange since last November learning new languages, orientations and, yes, Mr. Speaker, inevitably fundraising for their trip. In closing, I wish to recognize these young men and women and wish them every success as they embark on this new experience, Mr. Speaker. They are Tiffinnea Roberts, Stuart Wray, Melissa Gutland, Merv Templeton, Mary-Alison Lyman and Amy Zoe. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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American Field Service Young Workers' Program
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 64
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Bell . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Lafferty .
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Review Of Income Support Programs
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 64
Leon Lafferty
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as Members of the Legislative Assembly, we create bills or acts that will better the lives of all Northerners. Within the government, these acts are turned into policies, which each department follows. Mr. Speaker, although these acts and policies are created with the best of intentions, it is not until they are in actual practice that we discover some of the kinks in them and then they need to be reviewed.
Income support is an area where I see a need to address government policies to adapt to individual circumstances. In December, I had a constituent who was in Yellowknife for medical reasons for her children. Because she was in the city longer than she expected, she wanted to have her income cheque forwarded from her community. Under the current policy, cheques have to be picked up in person. Options such as sending the cheque to Yellowknife and having an income support worker here to act as a contact were not explored.
The reason this option was not examined was it was impossible to contact anyone with any authority to deal with the matter. Decision-makers were not available, either by phone or in person to deal with this situation. When I did manage to talk to someone in the department, I was told that she was given direction not to talk to me.
Mr. Speaker, this was just a simple matter. The department created a system where only the people at the top can make decisions. These people have a tremendous workload. Would we not be better off empowering all our workers by giving them some authority to make decisions when no one else is available? I am sure we could create a more effective system and policies which allow for individual cases to be considered.
Student financial assistance is another area where flexibility is needed and policies to address individual circumstances.
Finally, impact benefit agreements and their clawback by income support is an ongoing issue that needs a solution. Mr. Speaker, as legislators, we create acts and by connection, policies for all Northerners. We are elected to serve all Northerners. We can best do our job by creating policies that allow for individual circumstances to be taken into account and by allowing government workers to use their common sense to make decisions when unusual cases occur. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Review Of Income Support Programs
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 65
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .
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Waste Reduction And Recovery Legislation
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 65
Sandy Lee
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe we fully appreciate that this is the last budget session of this Assembly and it is also important to note that this is one of the last crucial legislative sessions as well. The logistics would dictate that any major new law that wants to see the light of the day should be introduced in this session, and the one that I wish to see very much and want to speak in support of today is the law governing waste reduction and recovery in the Territories. Mr.
Speaker, from what I know, the law as it is envisioned by the government, if it comes to light, will provide the necessary authority and infrastructure capacity to jump start the fledgling recycling programs in our cities and communities. Mr. Speaker, one of the things I noticed each time I went south for schooling is the way in which everyone in the south, or most of them, separate their waste into bottles, cans, papers, et cetera. It's really a way of their life, and one of the things I always noticed when I returned to the North is we just don't do that up here as much as we should. Mr.
Speaker, we should be ashamed of this state of affairs in this area. It is true that each resident of the Territories must do their part and they could do more, but I do believe that this level of government must take a leadership role and take a principled action. We need to demonstrate by legislative action that this government is truly committed to taking care of our environment. Mr.
Speaker, such a law would require and encourage everyone to do their part, whether they be consumers, retailers, manufacturers, distributors, governments or NGOs and more importantly, this is truly a win/win situation for everyone. Our people will feel better for doing it. It won't cost the government a lot of money because it will be cost neutral except for the start-up cost and it would create jobs in an environmentally friendly way and it will save our environment. Mr.
Speaker, I don't believe this is too late for the government to do the right thing and I really urge the government to reprioritize and make room in what is a crowded legislative agenda to put this back on and do the right thing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Waste Reduction And Recovery Legislation
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 65
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Steen .
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Valentine's Day Greetings To Wife And Family
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 65
Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. Mr. Speaker, as we carry out the business of this House, it is important to keep in mind our constituents and families back home. Therefore, I wish to take this opportunity to pass on Valentine's Day greetings to my wife Betty and my family back home and thank them for their continued support while I am away from home. Special Valentine's greetings to my granddaughter Kelsey.
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Valentine's Day Greetings To Wife And Family
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Page 65
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Steen . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine .
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Nahendeh Constituency Tour
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 65
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to send Valentine's Day greetings to my wife and my family and Members of this House and also, members of my constituency. I also want to talk about November 1st to the 9th, Mr. Speaker. We had a rare opportunity to tour my constituency at length and I did a lot of driving, Mr. Speaker. I drove from here all the way to Fort Simpson. I wanted to say that the highway is in pretty good shape.
---Applause
I also had the opportunity to drive to Fort Liard and visit the people there for a day or so. Also I drove into Nahanni Butte where they are building their access road and carried on to Trout Lake on their winter road. It took five hours to drive there, but it's a pretty decent road. I was in Jean Marie River on Saturday on the 8th. Throughout this whole tour, Mr. Speaker, people appreciate the work that we do as a government. There are some areas where they have concerns. There is lots of work that we still have to do as a government in working with our communities that we hear everyday.
Building lots, for example, is a concern in our communities. I guess it's an example of what's happening in the North with the population in the communities. Our communities are growing and there's a high demand for new building lots. So there is a lot of activity going on in our communities and we have to continue to work close with the leaders in our communities to try to make a better place for people in the North to live. I think that's what we are doing in this House, Mr. Speaker, trying to do the best we can.
Of course, you have some areas where people have a difference of opinion on certain things, but I think there is still a spirit of cooperation in this House to carry on with the work for the people of the Northwest Territories. This was expressed to me by my constituents in my travels. Mahsi.
---Applause
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Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Mahsi, Mr. Antoine . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the Gallery. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Steen .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 65
Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to recognize in the Gallery the board members of the NWT Association of Community Living: Blake Lyons, city of Yellowknife; Councillor Tom Melnyk, town of Norman Wells; Deputy Mayor Clarence Wood of Inuvik; Mayor Gary Bristow of Holman; Mayor Tom Wilson of Fort Simpson; Mayor Winnie Cadieux of Enterprise; and, Yvette Gonzalez, chief executive officer. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 65
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Steen . Welcome to the visitors. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the Gallery. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Handley .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Joe Handley
Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize some residents from Weledeh who are with us today. These are our pages from Weledeh. I will name them: Lorraine Westman; Megan Welsh; Laura Radicchi; Trevor Betsina; Samuel Gardiner; Curtis Beaulieu; Chelsea Goulet; and, Gordie Liske. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Page 66
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Welcome to the pages. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the Gallery. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Allen .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Roger Allen
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Although my esteemed colleague from Nunakput already recognized him, I would still like to recognize Clarence Wood, deputy mayor of Inuvik. Welcome.
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Page 66
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you. Any further recognitions of visitors in the Gallery? The honourable Member for Hay River South .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 66
Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to return to Members' statements. Thank you.
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Page 66
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to item 3, Members' statements. Are there any nays? There are no nays, Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Northern Love Story
Revert To Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 66
Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Mr. Speaker, in the spirit of Valentine's Day and on the topic of romance, I would like to share a story, a love story that recently unfolded here in the North. The story starts with a beautiful young woman attending the Living Word Bible Institute in Swan River, Manitoba, in the 1950s. She meets the brother of a friend who ends up attending the same college. They fall in love. She finishes college one year ahead of him. They
part company, leaving their plans flexible.
It's 1960 and she answered the call to go to Fort Resolution in the NWT to help Gordon and Ruth Bailey pastor a small church there. She never hears from her college sweetheart and it seems that they lose track of each other, which is understandable, considering that in those days, there were no telephones and mail delivery is just every few weeks in Fort Resolution. After three years in Resolution, she moves on to Hay River where she divides her time between a small church in Fort Resolution and Fort Providence. She then spends the next three-and-a-half years in Cambridge Bay and resigns herself to the fact that her friend has moved on with his life and so she must also.
In 1968, she again pastors in Fort Resolution until taking up what would be her longest commitment to any church, which is in Fort Smith in 1974. Mr. Speaker, I met Eva Nichol almost 30 years ago on subsequent trips to Smith and while dating my own husband Rick. It was no doubt that Eva Nichol never gave up on the idea of getting married. She observed many budding romances, married and counselled many young couples but as the years passed, I was amazed by her optimism. She kept very busy with her work in Smith, even though I know it was sometimes tough when she didn't have a lot of help and she was alone.
She started a college there. She called it the Sub-Arctic Leadership Training and it fulfilled her vision of training indigenous Northerners to be spiritual leaders, pastors and councillors to their own people. She was a very convincing and persuasive woman and she got work crews and finances and in 1994, she built a college in Fort Smith.
So I was always kind of humoured by her assertions that she would get married someday because the years were going by. Because Eva was single all those years, she had much time to spend with others and she spent many nights on the phone with people and pastors from around the world praying with them and supporting them. Who knows if she would have been able to fulfill her dream for the Lord if she had chosen the love of a man over the love of the Lord?
A year ago this month, her old flame, Gary Ziehl, lost his wife to illness and not wanting to be alone, his thoughts returned to his college sweetheart. So out of the blue, Eva Nichol got a phone call which turned to be many more phone calls. Mr. Speaker, I am going to have to seek unanimous consent to continue with the conclusion of this happy story.
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Revert To Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays, Mrs. Groenewegen , you may continue.
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Revert To Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 66
Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So, this turned into many more phone calls. He found out that she still did love him and on December 17th in Alberta they got married. Subsequently on January 11th, I had the privilege, along with Mr. Miltenberger , of attending a wedding reception for the Reverends Gary and Eva Zeal. Forty-two-years after parting company to commit her life to ministry in the North and at the age of 64, I saw a radiant and beautiful timeless bride in a white gown step into the Roaring Rapids Hall. At the reception held in her honour, people from many communities celebrated with Eva.
Her new husband, also a Minister, and Eva are both teaching at the college in Smith until May and I hope by then, he'll discover what kept Eva in the North all these years and they will choose to live here, of course, happily ever after. Thank you.
---Applause
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Page 66
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
A beautiful, beautiful story, Mrs. Groenewegen . Thank you. With that, Happy Valentine's Day to all the special people in our lives, especially to my wife Elaine. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the Gallery. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .
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Question 14-14(6): Wildlife Act Compliance With Land Claim Agreements
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 66
David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . It's with regard to a Member's statement regarding the Wildlife Act and enacting aboriginal land claim rights by way of land claim agreements, where we have wildlife harvesting and management sections in those land claim agreements. Mr.
Speaker, the whole purpose of legislation is to recognize and implement provisions of different land claim agreements, but also to recognize the enactment of those powers that flow from those land claim agreements, so that we can carry out those responsibilities that have been negotiated in those land claim agreements. Mr. Speaker, it's been over ten years since the Gwich'in have signed and also federally legislated them into effect. Two years after that, the Sahtu Dene-Metis claim was also settled. Mr.
Speaker, the last time any real amendments to the Wildlife Act have taken effect to recognize land claim agreements was in 1994. That's almost ten years ago. So, Mr. Speaker, why is it that it's taken this government so long to enact these legislative agreements?
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister of RWED , Mr. Antoine .
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Question 14-14(6): Wildlife Act Compliance With Land Claim Agreements
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 67
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Government of the Northwest Territories, we know we have obligations in trying to have good legislation, mainly in the Wildlife Act. This is a very lengthy, complicated process that takes into consideration provisions in different land claims. You have the Inuvialuit Final Agreement, you have the Gwich'in Final Agreement, the Sahtu Dene-Metis Final Agreement, and now the Tlicho Agreement is going to be finalized in August. There is another component that needs to be considered, as well; that's all other residents in the Northwest Territories.
We have considered different regions that are in the process of negotiations. As a government, we have to look at the whole picture and try to include everybody in the process. Mr. Speaker, in the summer of 1999, a process was started by this government to amend and put into legislation a new Wildlife Act and a Species at Risk Act. So it's been four years now we have been working on it, and I understand that the last Wildlife Act that came into existence took them seven years to do that. So this is the fourth year we have been working on it. We have been working very hard to try to push it through.
The Member asked why. Well, RWED continues to work with representatives of all the different land claims organizations to try to integrate these very important wildlife harvesting and management provisions of their land claims agreements into draft wildlife legislation. There are some groups that are willing to move ahead, but we have to make sure that everybody is included in this. This is where the consultation is at at this point in time. What we trying to do in the life of this government is to table draft legislation in June. That's what we are aiming for.
Although we don't have full legislation, this is what the
schedule seems to be in the reality of the work that we are doing. That's what is allowing this to happen. Thank you.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .
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Question 14-14(6): Wildlife Act Compliance With Land Claim Agreements
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 67
David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I noted in my statement, the Nunavut Wildlife Act, which was enacted in 1994, was compiled as a land claim obligation. Would similar legislation be coming forth for the Gwich'in and Sahtu land claim agreements similar to those that were enacted by the Inuvialuit Final Agreement?
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 67
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister of RWED , Mr. Antoine .
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Question 14-14(6): Wildlife Act Compliance With Land Claim Agreements
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 67
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's difficult to compare the Nunavut final agreement with all the different final agreements in the Inuvialuit, Gwich'in and Sahtu. The Nunavut Final Land Claims Agreement was one comprehensive claim. So it's one big package. It was less complicated to do that at that time for them than it is for us in the valley. You have the Inuvialuit, the Gwich'in, the Sahtu, the Tlicho and you are going to have the Akaitcho and the Deh Cho. They all have their own distinct provisions of their own final agreements. So it's difficult to lump that together and compare it to Nunavut. Thank you.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 67
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.
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Question 14-14(6): Wildlife Act Compliance With Land Claim Agreements
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 67
David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is a copy of the Gwich'in Land Claim Agreement. A large portion of this agreement is the wildlife chapter. The Sahtu agreement has similar provisions and the Sahtu and the Gwich'in agreements are similar. So why is it that, time and time again, you stated in this House and also in committees that this legislation was going to be introduced and enacted during the term of this Legislature. That statement was made, yet you can't live up to that obligation.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister of RWED , Mr. Antoine .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 67
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, I did say that. I also said I was going to consult with the claimant groups. As a government, we can move ahead and introduce legislation at the pace that we would like to. However, if you are going to consult, and then if a partnership with different aboriginal groups is not ready to move ahead, do you move ahead anyways? I don't think so. We said we were going to work in partnership. Yes, my intention was to table and introduce legislation in the life of this government. I had made those commitments. However, I have to work at the pace of the claimant groups.
If they are not prepared to move as quickly as we are, then we cannot go ahead and introduce legislation. So consultation is very important. As the Member indicated, there are provisions in the claims, the Inuvialuit, the Gwich'in, and the Sahtu Dene-Metis. We have to honour that. If they are not prepared to move as quickly as you are, then we cannot move ahead until they are ready. That is where the problem is. Thank you.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 67
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you. Your final supplementary, Mr. Krutko
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, myself, I have always pushed the notion that we implement our responsibilities which we have been given by land claim agreements, signatures to those agreements. Yet, Mr. Speaker, we have done it by the Inuvialuit agreement by passing Bill 12. I would like to ask the Minister, will you pass similar legislation to enact the Gwich'in land claim wildlife provisions so that we can have a bill come forth dealing with the Gwich'in comprehensive land claim obligations?
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Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister of RWED , Mr. Antoine .
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Mr. Speaker, our plan here is to do what we said we were going to do, consult. Currently, we are continuing to work with representatives of different land claim organizations. As the government, we have provided funding to the Gwich'in, Inuvialuit and Sahtu to be involved in the consultation process with legal help to look at the draft legislation as we move forward. So there is work going on. We didn't just put it aside. Currently, there is work going on. There are meetings and consultations going back and forth.
That is the process we have entered into and we will stay in this process because this is a very complicated and complex piece of legislation that cannot be pushed through without everybody that has major concerns through their claims provisions being left out. We have to include everybody. So at this point in time, although as a government we could move ahead and introduce legislation, we cannot do that. We have to wait for partners from the land claims organizations. Thank you.
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Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .
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Question 15-14(6): Location Of Federal Pipeline Readiness Office
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be directed to the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . From his Minister's statement today regarding the DIAND announcement on the federal pipeline commitment, Mr. Speaker, it's good to hear that the federal government is finally starting to come to the table with some resources. One serious concern that I have is, in fact, they seem to have already selected where that DIAND office will go to, and it seems to be selected as Yellowknife. Mr.
Speaker, it's been a concern from many Members of this House about the growth that the capital has, and it seems to feed on itself. It seems once again that this is occurring here. I'd like to know from the Minister if he's had any discussions with the Minister of DIAND on where that office location should go. Mr. Speaker, I believe, and a number of Members in this House believe, an office like this should be set up where the activity is. Seeing that the pipeline discussion talk started out of the Mackenzie Delta, I'd like to know if the Minister has had any discussions with the Minister of DIAND on that.
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Tony Whitford
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there were discussions with Minister Nault, the federal Minister of DIAND, over two years ago. During that time, as well, I understand that we're talking about the Premier and the Premier had this discussion with Nault at that time and the Premier had indicated that if there's going to be a pipeline office, it should not be in Yellowknife, it should be identified for possible locations of Hay River, Fort Simpson, Norman Wells or Inuvik. The decision to put this office in Yellowknife was Minister Nault's decision, but we did have input and it's up to him to make that decision, I guess. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hope that, as we continue to talk with the Ministers of the federal government, that we pursue the fact that the whole North would like to develop together and not become one central location. I'd like to know if the Minister would contact the Minister of DIAND to see if there's any opportunity to look at locations other than the one that's been voted. Thank you.
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government has been in contact with Minister Nault, I think as recently as December, to emphasize the point that if there's going to be expansion of that office, that it should be considered outside of Yellowknife where the route of the pipeline is going to be. Yes, we will relay the message to the Minister that there is concern about it, and that he should reconsider whatever the decision is. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Delorey .
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Paul Delorey
Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to clarify something that came out of my Member's statement. My question, by the way, is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . I want to make it clear to my colleagues that I am not against more funding going to smaller communities in the North when it comes to education. As a matter of fact, quite the contrary. I am in full support of more dollars going to all education bodies. But I think that my point is that the kids in Hay River going to school are just as important as any kids going to school anywhere else, and I don't want to see any funding decreases in order for other kids to get more funding.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister if he's aware of what took place in the meeting last Saturday, February 8th, with the DEA in Fort Smith and what the outcome of the voting was on that $190,000. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Delorey . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Ootes .
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My understanding is that there was a question of how to distribute $190,000 in funding. Apparently the funding was put towards funding of some positions in a number of communities, but I don't have a lot of the details at hand, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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Tony Whitford
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Paul Delorey
Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is the Minister aware of where the money they were voting on is coming from? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Tony Whitford
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not sure of how the money was allocated, but it was DEC money, Mr. Speaker, from the district education council funding.
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Paul Delorey
Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the biggest thorns in the side of the Hay River DEA, for example, is the size, and it makes it very hard to have good communications, is the growth at headquarters. Is the Minister aware of the growth at headquarter level in the South Slave District Education Council over the past 15 years? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Tony Whitford
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Mr. Speaker, I was briefed on this about a year and a half ago or a year ago. I tried to keep track of it but, as all DECs, I don't keep track of each particular one. With eight jurisdictions in the Territories, I don't watch the growth of each one, Mr. Speaker, in terms of detail. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Delorey .
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Paul Delorey
Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would request that the Minister get that information and if he could forward it on to me I would appreciate it. Mr. Speaker, it's not a new issue with the Minister that the Hay River DEA has been requesting that the Minister do something to correct the situation in the South Slave. Will the Minister reopen negotiations with the Hay River DEA on their situation within the South Slave Divisional Education Council? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Tony Whitford
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this issue was brought to my attention two and a half years ago. I dealt with it on the basis of getting the group together to look at the issues, and after that we issued a report and the DEC initiated a five-part policy on governance board development initiatives. That seemed to be working out fairly well for a period of time. That may have further questions on it.
Mr. Speaker, I was a bit concerned about the Member stating that there had been a five percent reduction in the budget of Hay River. We continue to fund our DECs with extra money every year, and I don't understand what makes up that five percent reduction; whether it's a reduction because of numbers of students, or enrolment is going down, or for whatever reason. I would certainly like to know more about that.
Additionally, Mr. Speaker, on the issue of governance, I've dealt with this before and I've stated before, and I dealt with the two Members from Hay River as well as the DEA, in terms of pointing out that in order to set up a different governance system it does cost probably in the neighbourhood of half a million dollars to do that. Again, I would like to discuss that with them, but I haven't had feedback as to what the reception is on the part of Hay River with regard to addressing that issue of the extra half million dollars.
Certainly as a government, I have to be very concerned about setting up another governance system and when it doesn't go into the hands of the students, Mr. Speaker. So, yes, I would like to talk to the DEA, but on a basis, as I said before, of where is this money going to come from. Also I need to assure you that I don't mind having discussions with the DEA, however, there has to be respect for the process as well. My responsibilities also lie with the DEC as a whole. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Oral questions, the honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Lafferty .
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Question 17-14(6): Impact Benefit Agreements And Income Support
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Leon Lafferty
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Over the past few years, an ongoing debate has occurred over whether or not the money from income support clients that they receive from impact benefit agreements should be clawed back. I raised that issue during the October sitting of the House, and the Minister wrote me and stated that this issue would be examined, and that he would be prepared to report progress on or before the February 2003 session. I'd like to ask the Minister if he does have an answer for me today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Ootes .
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, we have done a tremendous amount of work on this. It appears that there are implications that we do need to take into consideration to ensure that we do this appropriately, and I will be bringing forward a document to Cabinet for some discussion and consideration. I expect that to be within the next two to three weeks, certainly during this session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Tony Whitford
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Leon Lafferty
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd just like to ask the Minister, going back to 2001, the impact benefit agreement clawbacks amounted to $290,000, and this was from only 260 people. These people were clawed back individually $1,115 each, and this is a big amount of money. I'm just wondering if the Minister or his department looked at what became of these people after the date that they clawed back. Were these people coming back and appealing? Were there a lot of appeals? I would like to ask the Minister. Thank you.
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we did set up an independent appeal board to take into consideration individuals who wish to appeal decisions made by staff in regard to income support questions. I'm familiar with one case, I believe of a decision with respect to the impact benefit agreements, and that's the only case I'm aware of, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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Leon Lafferty
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Upon traveling to my three communities last week, I came across an elder who asked me why the Department of Education, Culture and Employment would send an employee flying around the communities taking information in and then telling them we're not going to help you this month so there's no use bothering. Why are they spending so much money to fly people around if they know there are no income support clients in those communities? Thank you.
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm not familiar with the issue that the Member is speaking of. I'll certainly find out and be able to report back to him. Thank you.
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Question 18-14(6): Waste Reduction And Recovery Legislation
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 70
Sandy Lee
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is for the Minister of RWED and it's in regards to possible legislation for waste reduction and recovery. Mr. Speaker, I have no doubt that there's a lot of interest about this outside of the House and I believe there's a lot of support inside of the House, but there seems to be some misinformation about what we are doing or not doing with regards to this. I'm wondering if the Minister could publicly state as to where he is at, or this government is at, with this legislation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Page 70
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister of RWED , Mr. Antoine .
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Page 70
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on the waste reduction and recovery legislation it is something that has a lot of support. As the Department of RWED we've done some work on this and it's just a matter of timing and if we have the resources to get the work done to introduce legislation. I just wanted to tell the Member that I'm happy to announce that we are planning to introduce legislation by June on this legislation. Thank you.
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Page 70
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Ms. Lee .
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Page 70
Sandy Lee
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to thank the Minister and the government for making that commitment. I am though not entirely worry free because I am aware, as well as everyone else here, that we have a major traffic jam going on in our legislative agenda and it does require lawyers to write these bills. I wonder if the Minister could commit to hire contract services if necessary to make sure there are enough lawyers to write the law so that we could debate it and pass it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister of RWED , Mr. Antoine .
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Page 70
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I work with my colleague, the Minister of Justice , and we're looking at all the different options, not only on this legislation but the other ones that are there. I think the options of hiring independent drafters is on the drawing board and we're going to pursue that as well. Thank you.
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Page 70
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bell .
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Question 19-14(6): Alcohol And Drug Treatment For Youth
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 70
Brendan Bell
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not sure exactly who to direct this question to, I suppose either the Minister of Health and Social Services or the Minister responsible for Youth . Maybe it's best put to the Minister of Health and Social Services . I know that alcohol and drug treatment is a priority for this government. I'd like to ask the Minister about alcohol and drug treatment for youth. Would the Minister list for the House the youth treatment facilities in the Northwest Territories, and tell the House how many youth are currently receiving alcohol and drug treatment in each of these facilities? Thank you.
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Page 71
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Bell . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services . Two questions there, Mr. Miltenberger .
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Page 71
Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we currently have two child welfare facilities that are operational, in addition to a number of group homes. We don't have any specifically oriented to alcohol and drug addictions treatment, per se. The issue of addictions tends to be one of a number of problems. What currently happens is, if there is a significant need, then we make arrangements with southern facilities to deal with the issues presented by the particular youth. So at this point, Mr. Speaker, that's the arrangement that we have. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Bell .
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Brendan Bell
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So just to be clear, unless a youth is taken away from their family or taken into custody, then they really can't receive any treatment in the Northwest Territories, is that right?
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Bell . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .
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Page 71
Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are a number of options available under the act that deals with children, and a number of arrangements that can be made that don't necessarily require to have the child taken into custody, but it can be an agreement with the parents. So there are a number of options to provide services when they're deemed to be required. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Bell .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 71
Brendan Bell
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand from talking to alcohol and drug practitioners, that it's oftentimes very important to have the family involved in treatment where it relates to youth. So if we're shipping youth to southern facilities, what are we doing with the families?
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Bell . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Mr. Speaker, the issue of dealing with the child or the youth and their family as a unit and not singling out the youth or the child as the problem, is a key point and principle. It's something that we try to engage in when we deal with children and their families. We will make every reasonable effort to in fact involve the families in these particular cases. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Your final supplementary, Mr. Bell .
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Brendan Bell
Yellowknife South
Well, unless every reasonable effort means giving them the phone number of the facility in the south, I'm not sure that that's going to do us much good, Mr. Speaker. The Minister has a new alcohol and drug strategy. Surely the Minister plans to build a youth treatment facility somewhere in the North, and has the dollars for that in the strategy. Is that the case?
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Bell . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The short answer to my colleague's very leading question is no.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .
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Question 20-14(6): Housing Construction In NWT Communities
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 71
Bill Braden
Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions this morning are for Mr. Allen in his capacity as the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . Mr. Speaker, the corporation's affordable housing strategy tells us that it has an objective over the next five years to see between 750 and 800 homes constructed across the NWT. The Budget Address that we heard yesterday afternoon by Mr. Handley talks in some detail about community development, including the corporation's objective of investing in some specific communities. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask where are these units going to be built, in what specific communities? Thank you.
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Page 71
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Allen .
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Roger Allen
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to acknowledge, yes, there will be several new initiatives undertaken with the NWT Housing Corporation in communities like Lutselk'e, Fort Liard, and Fort Good Hope. Three of the six that we identified are under-housed, and we'll continue to work with all communities across the Northwest Territories to address their key housing issues. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Braden .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 71
Bill Braden
Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Certainly the needs of smaller communities, off-road communities, are well known and need to be addressed. But we know that certainly Yellowknife, Inuvik and more recently Hay River and Fort Smith are starting to bulge at the seams. What programs, Mr. Speaker, can the corporation bring in that will help make a difference in those communities? Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Allen .
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Page 72
Roger Allen
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm pleased to announce I did a press release yesterday announcing that we would help the private developers reduce their risk from 25 down to 15 percent on commercial units, and down to 10 percent on private home ownership, as well as reducing the interest from 1.5 percent down to half a percent to help new developers facilitate more rapid growth in terms of meeting those housing needs in those communities that can well afford it. So that's one of the many strategies we will be implementing over the next several months. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Braden .
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Bill Braden
Great Slave
Mr. Speaker, that is a very welcome announcement. I know that people in the private sector have been looking for this kind of thing. I'm wondering if the Minister could give a bit more detail. How does this particular differ from previous programs of the Housing Corporation? Just how is it going to help make a difference out there? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Allen .
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