Debates of Feb. 6th, 2006

This is page numbers 745 - 792 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was housing .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Life-threatening Allergens In Schools

Mandate Of NWT Housing Corporation

Declining Caribou Population

Recruitment, Hiring And Retention Of Nurses

Name Change For Community Of Holman

Fuel Costs In Communities

Recognition Of Stella Yallee

Tu Nedhe Housing Issues

Support For Diamond Polishing Facilities

GNWT Support For New Federal Government

Condolences To Family Of Leana Rodgers

Recruitment, Hiring And Retention Of Nurses

Life-threatening Allergens In Schools

Support For Northern Diamond Polishing Facilities

Name Change For Holman

Meeting With Premier Danny Williams

Nahanni Butte Access Road

Support For Northern Diamond Polishing Facilities

Provision Of Safe And Affordable Housing By GNWT

Declining Caribou Populations

Housing Subsidy Program

Written Question 22-15(4): Edap Program

Written Question 23-15(4): Agency Nurses In The North

Written Question 24-15(4): Locum Nurses In The Nwt

Bill 19: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2005-2006

Bill 20:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act, No. 2

Item 17: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 13:

An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act

Bill 14: Public Airports Act

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good morning, colleagues. Welcome back to the House. Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Life-threatening Allergens In Schools

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to turn our attention to something that is of great concern to many parents and guardians of young children not only my riding of Hay River, but also, I am sure, throughout the Northwest Territories. The issue I am speaking of is children with life-threatening allergies who are attending schools in the NWT. For example, Mr. Speaker, I am aware of a child in Hay River who has an allergy to peanuts.

If this child comes in contact with peanuts, any by-product of peanuts, or any substance that has been contaminated by peanuts, he will become violently ill and could experience a life-threatening reaction. There are many children with allergies attending school in Hay River, which is a serious concern for parents. Although students and parents are requested not to bring peanut products to school, it has been reported that some children continue to pack peanut products in their lunches and recess snacks.

This is of great concern for parents as this may inadvertently cause a life-threatening incident to a child with allergies.

Life-threatening food allergies -- most commonly nuts, peanuts or shellfish -- can kill children. True food allergies occur in roughly six percent of children. Anaphylaxis occurs in approximately one in 200 school-age children. One in six episodes of anaphylaxis occurs at school. Children spend over one-third of their waking hours at school. Studies of fatal anaphylaxis have demonstrated that patients who died from this have generally been exposed to their trigger unknowingly, away from home, and that essential treatment was delayed.

Mr. Speaker, in recent news, we have heard of two separate incidents that resulted in death in Edmonton alone, just in the past three months. Both of these young people came in contact with just traces of peanuts and that contact was fatal for each of them.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, my point is, although the government has some regulations in place and our school administration and teachers are doing their best that they can do to protect their students, there is still no legal restrictions in the schools to prevent allergic substances from being brought in where children's allergies could be at risk. We must protect the children in our schools against exposure to any and all allergens. The only possible way to provide this protection is with legislation that would prohibit these allergens from being brought into the schools and making our classrooms a safe and healthy place for all children. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Life-threatening Allergens In Schools

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Mandate Of NWT Housing Corporation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the NWT Housing Corporation was established in the early 1970s to provide safe, adequate, and affordable housing to the residents of the Northwest Territories. Somewhere along the line, Mr. Speaker, they began to lose sight of the very reason for their existence. Providing housing, Mr. Speaker, is no easy task, as we found out during our pre-budget tour. Everyone has an opinion on the state of housing.

With the amount of complaints on housing, that has to tell us, Mr. Speaker, that something is seriously wrong with the direction that the NWT Housing Corporation has taken. Too many poor business decisions over the years have proven that the NWT Housing Corporation should not be involved in any further ventures. Leave the business dealings to someone else and stick to what the Housing Corporation was originally established for.

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Mandate Of NWT Housing Corporation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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An Hon. Member

Hear! Hear!

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Mandate Of NWT Housing Corporation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Lend some technical experience when required and asked for, but for our sake, stay out of the business end. We can't afford any more blunders. How many units could have been put on the ground in the NWT, Mr. Speaker, with all of the money that we have lost so far? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mandate Of NWT Housing Corporation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Declining Caribou Population

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. There is great concern recently, Mr. Speaker, with reported declines of caribou populations across the NWT and the Arctic. There are a couple of statistics here: the Bluenose West herd has dropped some 80 percent in size in the last 20 years. Mr. Speaker, the Bluenose East herd has dropped 40 percent in the last five years, and the Bathurst herd, one of the largest in the North, was reported to number

470,000 animals 20 years ago, but we are looking at a survey that was done in 2003. Their numbers are now 186,000, a 60 percent drop.

Mr. Speaker, last year, the Minister of Renewable Resources announced a major survey to try to account for these numbers. We are finding out that we are losing caribou at an ever-increasing and accelerating rate. In the management of this remarkable resource, Mr. Speaker, we have many different constituencies to satisfy: Dene and Metis communities and families who have relied on caribou for centuries and whose right to do so is well established in land claim agreements; Mr.

Speaker, we have outfitters; we have a large population of resident harvesters who have also come to rely on caribou to supplement food on their dinner tables. But, Mr. Speaker, we have considerable gaps in our knowledge. The methodologies we have employed for the surveys, the impact of trophy hunting on breeding stocks, the cumulative impacts, Mr. Speaker, of almost 15 years now, of direct access into the heart of the Bathurst herd's wintering grounds through the resupply road to the diamond mines. There is a major gap, Mr. Speaker, in reporting harvests from aboriginal harvesters,

whereas other levels are tightly monitored.

Mr. Speaker, the concern is that while we debate, compare, survey, study and discuss how to do this, are we destined to repeat those terrible legacies of other natural resources in Canada, the legendary bison herds that roamed the prairies, the codfish stocks of Newfoundland? This is not something that we should tolerate at all. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Declining Caribou Population

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Recruitment, Hiring And Retention Of Nurses

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am going to use my statement today to address the issue of how the government is dealing with the recruitment, retention and hiring of nurses. I heard from a variety of sources that this government is paying substantial amounts of money to fly nurses in from southern Canada. If these nurses are needed and required, then I don't have difficulty in accepting that this is a practice that we should condone. However, there are a couple of issues with this that I want some clarity on.

I want to know why new nurses moving to Yellowknife have to send in resumes three and four times and don't even get a phone call back from anyone to acknowledge that they have received it. There is absolutely no follow-up. Meanwhile, nurses continue to be flown in from the South with a huge price tag. Another item is that if you go out to Stanton, you can see all the numerous jobs posted on bulletin boards, but where else are these jobs posted? Most of them don't even appear on the GNWT web site.

All I can say is, Mr. Speaker, that I believe that this is another indication that we are standing by and allowing the centralization of human resources to cost this government money. I want to state again for the record that I feel that it continues to be in the best interest of our government to follow through with the development of a department of human resources. However -- and, Mr. Speaker, it is a big however -- how long do we have to see and hear evidence from our constituents, employees and residents that there are substantial issues at human resources?

I plan on addressing each of them during this budget session. This is the first one and it won't be the last time that you will hear me speak about concerns that I have with the soon-to-be new Department of Human Resources.

Mr. Speaker, specific to my concerns over the recruitment and retention of nurses, I will have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services at the appropriate time. Thank you.

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Recruitment, Hiring And Retention Of Nurses

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Name Change For Community Of Holman

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On October 26, 2005, I rose in this House to support the Hamlet of Holman's request to change the name from Holman to Ulukhaktok. Mr. Speaker, during the municipal elections in December 2005, a questionnaire was included asking the residents of Holman if they were in support of a name change to Ulukhaktok. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to advise this Assembly that there was overwhelming support by the residents of Holman to change the name to Ulukhaktok. By changing the name, Mr. Speaker, to Ulukhaktok, it ensures the residents of Holman that their culture will be reflected in the name change.

I would like to applaud the residents of Holman on their ambitious endeavour to grab the bull by the horn and pursue what they feel is reflective of their culture.

Mr. Speaker, this government will need to take the next step and implement the official name change to Ulukhaktok. Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time, I will have questions for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Thank you.

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Name Change For Community Of Holman

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Fuel Costs In Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, last session this House discussed the territorial-wide concern with dramatic rise in fuel prices. Last winter, the MLAs asked the various ministries to be proactive, rather than reactive, to what was inevitable. Furthermore, many constituents in Nahendeh have expressed their growing concern for the high cost of fuel and energy, especially in the small and remote communities. As indicated, prices have risen on two separate occasions in 2005 through the petroleum products division. Although prices rise and fall in the major centres, the prices in the 15 communities serviced by petroleum products seem to remain constant, with little or no price reduction.

In addition, petroleum products division purchases their fuel years in advance. Then why is it that current market conditions are affecting prices? As many residents have

stated, that with escalating costs of living in small and remote communities, healthy living is quickly becoming a lifestyle for the privileged.

As an MLA, I strive to see communities where families do not have to decide between heating fuel and groceries and to see a territory where living standards are equal. Every year, the communities in the North are rapidly changing and residents' concerns with the heating and fuel costs are becoming more and more frequent. This increase in necessary fuel costs will place hard-working families in additional financial hardship.

Currently, this government offers home heating subsidies and, although very needed, this is only offered to our seniors. Without very important programs such as these, the extraordinary heating costs experienced in the North would be overwhelming for elders and others with limited incomes.

On behalf of the small communities in my riding and throughout the North, Mr. Speaker, I ask that this government place energy costs a priority when deliberating how best to serve our constituencies. Mahsi cho.

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Fuel Costs In Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Members' statements. The honourable Member for the Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Recognition Of Stella Yallee

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to honour one of our constituents in the Sahtu region from Tulita. Her name is Stella Bayha-Yallee. She has 25 years of service as a housing manager in Tulita. I wanted to say that to the House, that she is one of the longest-serving members of the local housing authorities in the Northwest Territories. In light of all the stress, heartaches and bellyaches, she hung in there and stayed with us. She is a valuable member to the community, but also, more importantly, a valuable member to the Housing Corporation in terms of changes that we are going through.

I wanted to say that the true test of her commitment to her job and to her people and to hang in there for 25 years.

Stella was born in Deline and moved to Tulita. She was advised to take this job as a housing manager in the community. She was successful in getting the job in 1981. Then she began working as a manager. She had one maintenance staff and 35 units to take care of. Although she learned then on the job and got training, today Stella manages over 75 units and has five staff members. Stella is a very strong and caring individual and highly respected in the community and in the region. She is married to Rodnick Yallee and has three daughters and two grandchildren.

She volunteers much of her work in the community of Tulita. On behalf of the Sahtu region, I would like to congratulate Stella for her dedication and for her commitment and dedication, mostly for her 25 years of being in the housing office as a manager for the people. Mahsi cho.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Members' statements. The honourable for Tu Nedhe, Mr. Villeneuve .

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Tu Nedhe Housing Issues

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I know that, later on today, we will be reviewing the NWT Housing Corporation's budget in detail. I would just like to make a few comments about the housing situation and, in particular, my constituency of Tu Nedhe. In general, many of my constituents still have some long-outstanding housing issues that they simply refused to let this department sweep under the rug. These situations and predicaments have hindered improvements to lifestyles, cause undo hardship and resulted in many family breakdowns within my constituency.

Mr. Speaker, these things the Housing department seems to be used to hearing and, therefore, seems to have addressed these problems with displeasure and apathy. But because of this lack of service and the persistence of many of the community members to see some favourable and tangible improvements, these issues will not be swept under the carpet. I urge all of my constituents, and the others in the NWT with housing issues, to continue to fight with this government to get their housing needs addressed.

Mr. Speaker, I feel that we can change this government's priorities and practices, but we all have to work collectively and make it known that these priorities and practices are not practical and do not improve or solve many of the housing conundrums that we northerners have been raising, be it through the media or through this House and, sadly, throughout many years of our own natural lives only to find that, at the end of the day, there is never any serious consideration or government housing policy development which incorporates small community ideas and approaches resulting in our real needs are never being met.

Mr. Speaker, this has to change. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Support For Diamond Polishing Facilities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about the diamond cutting and polishing industry which provides 155 jobs here in the NWT. By the government's estimates, the current cutting and polishing facilities contribute $9 million to the GNWT's GDP. When they are in full production, it will be $20 million some day.

In order to attract and support value added industry, this government, in the past, created an MOU with the diamond mines to supply rough. However, the system is not working, Mr. Speaker, as it was originally envisioned. I have been told by one Yellowknife company that runs two plants that they are buying Canadian diamonds in Antwerp cheaper than they can buy them directly from our NWT mines. That is right, Mr. Speaker. It costs them less money to buy these diamonds from Antwerp and fly them

back all the way across the ocean and cut them here. Mr. Speaker, I have seen the numbers and it is horrible.

Mr. Speaker, this government needs to do whatever it needs to do in order to ensure the spirit and the intent of that MOU is followed through and lived up to. At the very least, we have ethical questions here of what is going on. The NWT is not the only game in town, Mr. Speaker. Other territories and provinces are currently looking at diamond cutting industries and trying to lure their companies into their provinces with incentives. If you would like to know who; well, Mr. Speaker, Quebec is willing to pay workers' wages for up to two years to attract industry into their province.

Nunavut's first diamond mine will soon be in production. Who knows what might happen once they get going? Will they try to attract our diamond cutting industry in Yellowknife over to Iqaluit or Cambridge Bay? I don't know. If we want to keep our fledgling diamond industry alive, Mr. Speaker, we need to show it support. Rough diamonds need to be sold at a fair and reasonable price to our local cutters. It is horrible what is being done. That is it. That is all they are asking for is fair and reasonable price.

A former Member of this House once said -- and his name was John Todd -- they don't listen. Then we should be taxing them and we should be choking them like a mule to make them listen if that is what is required. Well, Mr. Speaker, it may be time to give that chain a choke and a jerk so those diamond mines stop holding our cutting industry as a hostage. I hope this government is willing and ready to provide the leadership to the cutting industry and show them that they are there for them, that they support them long before it is too late. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Support For Diamond Polishing Facilities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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GNWT Support For New Federal Government

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the weekend, I got thinking about this government's negotiating tactics and strategies with the federal government. When I saw the headline going across the television screen that read something like, NWT and Newfoundland support or like the vision of the new Harper government, Mr. Speaker, I am not sure if the national viewers would appreciate the intricacies of the NWT consensus government in the North. For certainty, I don't believe there is, or has been, such a generalized consensus on the NWT position.

Mr. Speaker, I, for one, have stated that I am willing to give the new Harper government a chance to show its stuff when it comes to what it can do for our devolution and resource revenue sharing talks. But as to supporting or liking their vision, I am not certain about that, Mr. Speaker, because I am not sure what it is yet. If their vision is an unfettered decentralized Canada where the central government is nothing more than a tax collector and a distributor of that cash to provinces, I do not believe that is the vision of Canada that I can support.

Mr. Speaker, I don't believe that is a good vision for a far-flung and small population jurisdiction like us, and for us a good, strong national equalization formula with fair share of resource revenue sharing should be our priority.

Mr. Speaker, I also got thinking about the pros and cons of wrapping ourselves in with the other provincial Premiers who speak to dealing with "fiscal imbalance" by taking on more powers and share of federal revenue. Mr. Speaker, because the issue of addressing fiscal imbalances and what it means has yet to be made clear, I don't know what the Premiers of big provinces of Ontario, Quebec, Alberta, and not as big province of Newfoundland have in mind. But the last thing we need in this possibly unstable and short-lived minority government is to be mired in a power struggle or constitutional chaos with provinces while the NWT file gets pushed back to the back burner.

Mr. Speaker, we are not a province, but we are one with very unique circumstances to argue on all fronts. I believe we should keep our collective eye on that ball. Finally, Mr. Speaker, I believe the Premier has given enough indication of fuzzy and warm stuff to Harper. Now it is time for us to get the Prime Minister's attention, and respect, and deep comprehension of the NWT file that is quite different and separate from the rhetoric of the provincial Premiers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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GNWT Support For New Federal Government

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .

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Condolences To Family Of Leana Rodgers

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, along with my colleague, Mr. McLeod, from Inuvik Twin Lakes, would like to notify this House and send condolences to the Rodgers family up in Inuvik. They just lost their wife and mother, Mrs. Leana Rodgers. We were just informed of that late yesterday evening and want to send our condolences and prayers to the family. Thank you.

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Condolences To Family Of Leana Rodgers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to welcome anybody that is in the gallery today viewing our proceedings. It is always a pleasure to have people watching the proceedings in the House here. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of Health and Social Services . It gets back to my Member's statement earlier today where I questioned how the Government of the Northwest Territories is recruiting nurses to work specifically at Stanton hospital. How many locum nurses is the territory bringing in to work in our hospitals? The second part to that question is, at what cost, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we bring in locum nurses on an as-required basis with the various authorities in the different facilities. I can indicate to the Member that the largest amount or use of locum nurses is in the Inuvik region, followed by the Sahtu. We do pay a very stiff premium. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I didn't hear the Minister mention how many nurses are we talking and at what price. I want a specific price from the Minister on what it is costing the government to bring in locum nurses here in the Northwest Territories. I also want to know if the Minister has a strategy to try to mitigate the amount of money that we are spending on bringing nurses into this territory. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we spend in the neighbourhood of $1 million a year on agency nurses. We do have plans to mitigate that. We have invested millions of dollars in the Northern Nursing Program at the Aurora College. We have been in a state of transition for the last 18 months. This coming spring, we anticipate, are planning, and are very glad to see about 24 nurse graduates that are going to be graduating with their four-year degree and nursing certification that we are going to be making job offers to.

As well, we are looking seriously at ways to set up permanent float pools in Yellowknife, the Inuvik region and possibly the Sahtu where we would have nurses whose job it is to go and cover off and rotate through with the employees of the various authorities, but that would be in the North where we wouldn't have to pay that very dear fee that we feed to the agencies right now. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would be interested in knowing if that $1 million went directly to the agency, or if it actually included the wages that were paid to these nurses. That would be an interesting thing to find out. I think that $1 million probably went directly to the agency. I would like to finally ask the Minister, does he see a correlation between the amalgamation of human resources and the inability in his health care system to get nurses on the ground and working here in the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In fact, we anticipate, and we are starting to see, an improvement in our HR services now that we are consolidating, being more efficient and coordinating our efforts. The problems with nurses have long preceded the fact that we have consolidated HR. We continue to struggle nationally and internationally with a shortage of nurses. We have spent millions, as I have said, beefing up and coming up with a very good nursing program in the Northwest Territories.

As well, we are also going to be developing an improved program for licensed practical nurses which will allow them to improve their scope of practice and bring in the two-year certificate program where they will be able to provide more support on the floor, two nurses in homecare and dialysis on the wards to help us offset and take off some of the pressures that are currently there on the nurses. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 749

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Honourable Charles Dent , Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment . Many parents send their children off to school in the Northwest Territories everyday hoping and praying that if their child has an allergy to certain substances, that that child will not come into contact with that substance in their school day. Right now, it's difficult to offer those parents any assurances that their child will not be exposed to things that might be life threatening to them.

I would like to ask the Minister of Education what his department has done to ensure that these children are protected in the school environment. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am aware of the urgency of dealing with this situation, and the Member raised the issue with us last fall. Since that time, the assistant deputy minister has written to all superintendents, urging the superintendents to ensure that they have a clear policy developed to deal with issues around anaphylaxis and to make sure that there is a policy in place at all of our schools. So we don't have policies in place at this point, but schools have been asked to develop those now. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Quite often when we lack policies or legislation in certain areas, we like to look at what is being done in other jurisdictions, so that we can borrow best practices from already established practices. I would like to ask the Minister if he is aware of what other jurisdictions in Canada do to respond to this growing issue of allergies. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not particularly aware of what all other jurisdictions do. I know the department has looked at what is done in some jurisdictions. I know that included with the letter that was sent out by the assistant deputy minister was a pamphlet that was provided by Health Canada around the issue of anaphylaxis and preparing policies. So we have been doing some research to find out from the federal government and other areas what is being done. We will continue to do that and watch for best practices. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Dent . Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One last question. Would the Minister be prepared to not only put in place a policy that would try to restrict the bringing of things that children are particularly allergic to into the schools, but also some type of a medical emergency response awareness within the school itself, because quite often these situations require immediate attention. It would not hurt for the educators to be aware of such responses. Would he go as far as to commit to doing that? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would be happy to say that we would follow up on that recommendation. We already provide schools with some direction for emergency response in a whole range of situations. It is my intention to share that with Members of this Assembly, so you can see how we are doing that currently. We are looking at expanding it to include specific references to anaphylaxis and how to deal with those instances. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 340-15(4): Support For Northern Diamond Polishing Facilities

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Page 750

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the owners of Arslanian Diamonds were in town last week and they had a chance to meet with the Ministers of ITI and Finance. My question for the Minister of Finance is now that they have seen the number and the proof that this company can buy diamonds from Antwerp cheaper than they can buy them 300 kilometres north of Yellowknife, what is the Minister planning to specifically do with this challenge? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent . Sorry; Industry, Tourism and Investment, Mr. Bell . Mr. Hawkins , could you clarify for the Chair who you had directed your question to? Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I asked my question to the Minister of ITI . I said Arslanian Cutting Works spoke to the Ministers of ITI and Finance, but my question was directed to the Minister of ITI . They can do whatever they want with it. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is right that I, along with the Minister of Finance , met with the owners of Arslanian and Polar Bear factories to have this discussion. The allegations they have raised are concerning for us, so we have asked them to provide us with some documentation and that is something that we can then take to the company to have this discussion. I should point out the factory seems concerned only with one of the mines. I don't want to make the suggestion that it is all producers. We do have MOUs in place with both mines.

Under the terms of our socio-economic agreement, there are diamonds set aside for northern producers. One of the challenges we have is that there was never any discussions or reference made to pricing in those agreements, but it is something we are sitting down to deal with with that company and look forward to making some progress. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister of ITI could let me know what is the problem of possibly just calling up the president of that particular diamond mine that we are referring to and asking what the problem is. We shouldn't be choking our local diamond mines with the facts that you can buy diamonds in Antwerp cheaper than you can buy 300 kilometres north. Mr. Speaker, could the Minister look at placing a phone call so we can giddy-up on this problem and make sure we solve it quicker, rather than later? Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are looking to get to the bottom of the issue. The Ministers

prior to myself have had the same concern raised and have sought to address it. One of the difficulties is that it's not as if this is a commodity traded on the open market and we can see the pricing arrangements made with various customers. The mines have customers overseas that they term core customers. They have private arrangements made with those customers. We are not sure how much the diamonds are sold to those customers for, so it's very difficult for us to make a determination around what kind of pricing arrangements, compared to other companies, our local industry gets, but we are working on it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister mentioned or alluded to the fact that it's an historical problem. I would like to hear that the Minister is working to put this in writing, so we can make sure at least a fair premium is charged in recognition of where we are in comparison to where Antwerp is. The diamond mines are on our doorstep, Mr. Speaker, yet they cost more. I would like to hear what the options are that the Minister is going to look at if the diamond mine that we are talking about doesn't step up to the plate and supply diamonds at a fair and reasonable price to our local cutters. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the problem is an allegation of premium being charged to one of our companies over and above the price that Antwerp customers can pay. Of course, these diamonds are very easy and cheap to move to another location, so it's not as if it's onerous transportation costs that would lead to a higher price having to be charged in Antwerp. We are looking at it. It's hypothetical at this point as to what we might do if we are not able to resolve it.

I do think we will be able to sit down with the company and talk this through and get some better understanding if a premium is being charged to northern companies. We believe that is not what should be happening. So I would like to work this through with the Finance Minister , as well, and with the company and see if we can't come to a beneficial arrangement for northern factories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Question 341-15(4): Name Change For Holman

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated in my Member's statement today, with the overwhelming support of the residents of Holman to change the name to Ulukhaktok in December 2005 and with my support, my question is to the Minister of ECE . When will the department implement the official name change to Ulukhaktok to reflect their culture? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 341-15(4): Name Change For Holman

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The names will change officially on April 1st, 2006.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mr. Pokiak .

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Thanks for the information, Mr. Dent . In that regard, will the Minister be travelling to Holman for the official name change? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had not planned on travelling to Ulukhaktok...

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Some Hon. Members

Nay!

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

...for the name change on April 1st, but I would be happy to accompany the Member to the community sometime in the not-too-distant future to celebrate the change of name.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Final supplementary, Mr. Pokiak .

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just in that regard, since it's going to be officially changed on April 1st, wouldn't it be fair for the Minister to actually come down on that date, to accompany me to Ulukhaktok for the name change? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will endeavour to look at whether or not I can move things around in my

schedule to accomplish that. I do have some other travel plans, but if it's possible I would be happy to join the Member on that occasion.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Premier of the Northwest Territories, in light of his meeting this weekend with Premier Danny Williams in terms of some sort of a cooperation strategy not to take our flags down, but to get the attention of the federal government in terms of our similar types of resource revenue sharing deals. What are

the Premier 's plans in terms of working with the province and through the Council of the Federation? I'd like to ask the Premier in terms of his meeting with the Premier of Newfoundland. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had a very good meeting with Premier Williams on Saturday. The meeting was to talk about a national energy strategy. Of course, that includes resource revenues and where they will be allocated. Mr. Speaker, Premier Williams chairs a committee of the Council of the Federation. The other members of that committee are myself, Premier Klein from Alberta, and Premier Charest from Quebec. So what we are doing is working on a national strategy that hopefully would be presented on behalf of all the Council of the Federation Premiers to the Prime Minister and federal government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When can the Northwest Territories, along with two powerful Premiers on this committee, Alberta and Quebec, when would this council make the national energy strategy known to the other Premiers so that they can go forward to the federal government and, like Mr. Williams said, hopefully we can have all 13 areas in Canada, or provinces in Canada, all 13 be like Alberta. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to make one correction. There are four powerful Premiers on that committee.

---Applause

I take very seriously my responsibility to represent the North. I think it's very important that the North be on this committee. I hope that I can carry as much influence to the committee's decisions and recommendations as do the others.

Mr. Speaker, our intention is to table a draft national strategy at the Council of the Federation meeting in July. Assuming that the other Premiers are onside with what we're recommending, it would then become a document forwarded to the federal government and, of course, then the public. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My apologies to the powerful Premier , Mr. Handley . I hope he doesn't tell me to take a hike here. I'd like to ask Mr. Premier , in terms of the National Energy Strategy going forward to the Premiers and forwarded on to the Prime Minister, what would be in the National Energy Strategy involved this side here in terms of putting together something that would be supported by all Members within the Territories to bring this forward to a final recommendation? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I would certainly be very willing to brief all of the Members of this House as we progress in putting the strategy together. This was our first face-to-face meeting to think through how the strategy would be put together, what would be the elements to it, how it would be structured. I can't make it public at this point because we would have to have the agreement from all of the Premiers before we'd do that. But I'd be happy to brief Members privately and when it's agreed that it should go public, I'll certainly be the first to make it available to everyone. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. My question today is to the Minister of Transportation . The community of Nahanni Butte have long-term plans of completing their access road and are looking for assistance from the Department of Transportation in that they're wondering if they can work with them to advance the funds or even co-sign a loan to advance the funds on constructing the road. I think it's $1.2 million, where the government has plans to spend $200,000 a year. The community is looking at getting a guarantee from the government to build the road in one or two years. Is the Minister and is the transportation ministry willing to look at an alternative like that to complete this road? Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, we'd be interested in sitting down with the community of Nahanni Butte to talk about the proposal for the public access road to the community. It's something we're in discussions with in the case of other communities, so we'd, of course, be glad to sit down and discuss this with them also. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Just with that, I was wondering how much work was going to be done by the department on that access road this year, because this discussion has to take place soon so that they can start looking at the bulk of the construction next year. I know that the Minister previously indicated to

Nahanni Butte that they were not interested in co-signing such an agreement. The Minister said that he's willing to do that. So I would just like to get some type of commitment that it can be a reality to assist Nahanni Butte in getting this road completed soon. Mahsi.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have committed to providing I think it's $250,000 a year for a period of four years to the Nahanni Butte access road. It's something that we are very interested in doing and in a lot of cases it's to create partnerships with the communities or the development corporations in the communities. We have had discussion in several other communities about the possibility of doing so. We, of course, would have to involve the Department of Finance in this whole discussion to ensure that the FAA is followed, but we'd be glad to do so. We'd be glad to sit down and look at what the community's proposing and responding accordingly. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. That is exactly what the community is looking for, at least some type of commitment other than...I think the key here is to bring the answer over to Nahanni Butte, instead of going there and saying we'll take that for further consideration. That's what I'm asking the House here today. Have a serious look at it, Mr. Minister. Come up with a plan to see if you are willing to co-sign a loan on behalf of Nahanni Butte.

Like the last co-venture, they did contribute towards the cost of the road and they have indicated to me that they are willing to do that again, but that's an expression of interest and they'll go a long ways in having your ministry co-sign this loan. So once again, can the Minister provide at least some type of indication or answer to the community? Mahsi.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, before we can say yes or no, or I respond to the community's request, we'd have to see a lot more detail. We are quite interested to sit down and talk to communities. Other communities have come forward and demonstrated that there is a cost savings of having some of the money fast-tracked into a one-year period where we would save on the mobilizations cost and also the demobilization. So we'd be very interested to sit down with them. Whatever we can arrange through a meeting with the community along with the Member, I'd be glad to sit down and have that discussion. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Question 344-15(4): Support For Northern Diamond Polishing Facilities

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are also to Minister of ITI and it's in regards to questions earlier raised about the diamond mines and its supply relationship with the secondary mining industry. Mr. Speaker, I think we, in this House, recognize the important and positive contribution that both the diamond producers and the secondary industry provide to the North, and I don't think I'm going to use the overused phrase of choking any mule here.

I think, though, there is a role for the Minister to play in this regard, and it seems to me there are some points of differences between the producer in question and the cutting and polisher, and differences in understanding. But it seems to me that the ball is with the plant to give some evidence as to what the price difference might be. I'm wondering what the time frame is that the Minister is working with to bring these two parties together and see if the government can play some positive and constructive role going back and forth between the two. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm hoping that the issue and the concern can be resolved immediately. I've asked the cutting and polishing factory group of owners to provide the information that they have that they feel suggests they are being overcharged, provide the company in question with that information, copy me with the information so that I can see it as well, bring the two parties together and have this discussion. I think it's important that this has been lingering for some time without anybody having a real concrete understanding, just a feeling that they were not being treated fairly.

So I think we need to resolve it. I have asked the cutting and polishing company to document the information and we'll move forward if we can get that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can tell you that the plant operators have met with most of the Yellowknife MLAs, and certainly this is an issue that is important to us and that needs to be addressed. It seems to me that the core question is with respect to price for the core customers. So I think the diamond plant is not looking for a special privilege, but just to get a fair core customer price, and the question remains as to what that is and as to whether or not there is a premium being charged and, if so, how much.

I guess what came out of my discussion of this that really surprised me is lack of written document in this regard. We know that there's a third diamond mine coming up and we know there are discussions and I'd like to know what the Minister is doing to make sure that does not happen on the third time around. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Ms. Lee . Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is right; the concern here is around pricing. The factory, of course, would like additional rough. Everybody would like additional rough, but I think they understand that the rough being provided is what was agreed to and it really does come down to the pricing. I think the issue of core customer pricing with core customer status has some requirements, as well. You don't have the choice of turning back rough or rejecting it. You have to take all of the rough allocated to you. That is not the case with the factories here.

They are able to go through the allocation and sort of pick and choose, if you will. So there are some benefits here that the factories get that you wouldn't get in Antwerp, aside from the pricing debate or question. I think we're getting better, to answer the second question, with these agreements as they move forward.

The second mine, there really aren't any concerns from the producer or the factories in terms of the allocation provided by the second mine. They feel that they are being treated fairly. I can assure the Member that the deal with the third mine will be very crystal clear in terms of what the expectations are and what should be provided for the local industry. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Final supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hope I don't have to quote that if he doesn't get a crystal clear documentation of the third agreement, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Mr. Speaker, on the question of the first one, it's the question of pricing as a core customer, but also the ability and flexibility to have some room to manoeuvre on to the quality of diamonds. I think there might be some room for discussion as to what things work for the cutting and polishing plant here.

Because there's a lack of a precise and clear agreement, and because of the role the GNWT has played in creating a second industry, that's where the leadership of this government comes in. I'd like to hear the Minister say once again that he will lead this file to make sure that the two parties are brought together and that there will be an agreement in the interest of Yellowknife and both industries. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the question from the Member. Of course, yes, I will take the leadership of bringing these two companies together. We'll sit down with the top leadership in the mine to better understand their feelings of how this arrangement is working. I should mention that in Antwerp, of course, core customers get an allocation of rough. Again, they have no choice but to take all of it and have to pay cash right now. I think the mines have been very agreeable to the idea that this was an industry in its infancy.

They have held parcels, sometimes for quite long periods of time, waiting for the cutting and polishing factories to get the money together to buy the parcels. I think, for the most part, the arrangement and the relationships have been very, very good between the mines and the cutting and polishing industry. We now have this one issue of dispute around pricing and look to resolve it as quickly as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 345-15(4): Provision Of Safe And Affordable Housing By GNWT

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the NWT Housing Corporation is always changing directions and my question is for Premier Handley. I'm wondering if this government has ever considered following suit and creating a department of housing whose sole mandate would be to provide safe, adequate and affordable housing? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we have considered the possibilities, but following the changes we are making with regard to social housing, the first step, in our view, is to do a review of the mandate. What should the mandate of this government be through the Housing Corporation for the future of that organization? Once we determine a new mandate, then, Mr. Speaker, as a second step, we could look more specifically at the suggestion the Member has. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Supplementary, Mr. McLeod.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The new department, based on previous numbers, would have a budget of approximately $90 million. That would go a long way to providing safe, adequate, and affordable housing. The CMHC funding is going to sunset over the next 30 years, meaning that the reason for keeping the NWT structure may no longer be needed. Would the Premier commit to taking this into consideration in creating a new department of housing whose sole mandate would be to provide safe, adequate, and affordable housing? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, we have agreed to a process for reviewing the mandate within a very specific time frame. The first task, in our view, is to go out, hear what people have to say, what MLAs have to say, what people who work in the housing authorities have to say with regard to the mandate. Following that, Mr. Speaker, then, yes, I'd be willing to take a look at what organization would be most suitable for our changing situation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Oral questions. The honourable Member from Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Question 346-15(4): Declining Caribou Populations

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 755

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question this afternoon is for Mr. Miltenberger as the Minister responsible for energy and renewable resources, and it regards the state of our caribou populations, Mr. Speaker. We've essentially seen, from many indicators, that as the herds have been declining, we've known that for some time, but the rate at which they're declining is speeded up, it is now something that is really causing a lot of concern. Mr.

Speaker, what is the government doing to manage the alarming trend of declining caribou herds and avoid the terrible legacies of the past as it plundered the species of Canadian buffalo and codfish? Will we be able to avoid our caribou from joining that terrible legacy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there's not enough time during this forum for me to outline all the things that we are doing, but I'd like to reassure the Member that we are doing we think all that is required.

We're going to be coming forward here by the 15th with a whole slate of interim measures; we're looking at redoing the census numbers this coming year and the following year; we've been working very, very closely with all the renewable resource boards up and down the valley and, as well, our partner jurisdictions to look at making sure we have the accurate information, keeping in mind this is a very complex issue where there's not just one factor that's going to contribute to the current state of circumstances when it comes to the numbers of caribou. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Indeed the management of wildlife is something that is incredibly politicized and bureaucratized in the North. Let's take a look, just for instance, at the very, very unattainable NWT Wildlife Act that's been out for I think over a decade now in consultation and still has very little chance of seeing its way to the floor of this House. Mr. Speaker, to the caribou now, I wanted to ask the Minister, we're putting a lot of resources, we have a lot of very good expertise and we're putting a lot of money into finding out what's going on among the caribou.

I wanted to ask specific to the Bathurst herd, this herd, the biggest one, that migrates into this part of the country; what do we know today about what is causing the decline of the Bathurst caribou herd, Mr. Speaker?

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'll just quickly outline some of the many factors that we think are affecting not only the Bathurst herd, but the herds in general. There's things called weather events where we experience a lot of freezing rain in the last number of years during the winter that has frozen the ground making it very, very difficult for the animals to feed. There's concern that the number of predators is very large and extreme. There are hunting issues. There's more roads now and access to hunting than there's ever been before. There are development issues.

So those five alone are significant issues that we're trying to assess, keeping in mind that they all have an impact. The question is how much. As well, as the Member pointed out in his statement, we do have some information gaps they we are trying to fill so that we can make the most informed decisions possible. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, to the reference that the Minister made to the many different partners, stakeholders, that are coming into play here. Is there a collective will, Mr. Speaker, to recognize that we have an urgent situation on our hands, and a will to take action? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, very clearly we are of the strong opinion that the numbers indicate that we have a problem we have to address very, very quickly and carefully. All the boards up and down the valley have accepted that information. There is some question and some people that would like to have the numbers redone, and we'd like to confirm them, as well, just to make sure that our numbers are accurate. So there is a problem, and I can assure the Member that we are going to move on this.

We've been working on it now for many months to come up with the interim measures plus a broader barren land caribou strategy that we're going to bring forward for discussion. But by the middle of this month, we will have on the table some of our immediate sets, as well; shortly following that, the long-term plans. So there will be actions taken, I can assure the Member.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Oral questions. The honourable from Tu Nedhe, Mr. Villeneuve .

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Question 347-15(4): Housing Subsidy Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 755

Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question today is to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment just to talk about the public housing rental subsidies that are going to be coming into effect April 1, 2006. I just wanted to ask the Minister, now that the clients have to apply on a month-by-month basis for this

housing subsidy with their income support worker and bring it to the LHO, how is that going to change the income security officers' working relationship with the clients that are applying for housing subsidies. Is that going to affect any of that interpersonal relationship with the client? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would expect that the relationship would be no different than in the office with the income support worker than it is in the housing office right now. Those people who are in stable situations wouldn't have to come in necessarily every month. It's not our intention that that sort of thing would change. Right now, typically somebody who is in a stable situation will have an arrangement with the housing authority where they may only go in once every six months, or once a year. The same sort of circumstance is going to apply for people in stable situations when the income support offices are responsible, as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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