Debates of Feb. 17th, 1998

This is page numbers 847 - 881 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Minister Absent From The House

Environmental Assessment Of Cape Christian

Support For Friendship Centres

Support For Friendship Centres

Support For Friendship Centres

Faber Lake Outpost Camp

Support For Friendship Centres

Midget Hockey Team Selection Process

Appreciation For Spousal Support

Telephone Rate Increases

Addressing Our Social Problems

Archaic Legislation

Return To Oral Question 322-13(5): Impact Of Freight Cost Increases

Return To Oral Question 319-13(5): Northwestel Rate Increases

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

GNWT Role Regarding Telephone Rates

Recognition Of Friendship Centres

Funding Friendship Centres

Equipment Donation To Friendship Centres

Allocating Surplus Funds To Education

Disposal Of GNWT Liquor Warehouse

Northwestel Rate Increase

Statute Revision Process

Environmental Status Of Cape Christian

Disbursement Of Departmental Surpluses

Additional Funding To NWT Development Corporation

Funding For The NWT Tourism Association

Business Incentive Policy Impacts On Small Business

Written Question 09-13(5): Court Proceedings On Layoff Severance Packages

Item 8: Returns To Written Questions

Return To Written Question 6-13(5): Personnel Inquiries Regarding Baffin Correctional Centre

Return To Written Question 7-13(5): Victims Services In The Nwt

Reply 2-13(5): Mr. Picco's Reply

Item 15: Notices Of Motion For First Reading Of Bills

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Extend Sitting Hours

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Good afternoon. Mr. Barnabas , on a point of privilege.

Point of Privilege

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) I will be speaking in Inuktitut. Mr. Speaker, this morning I must clear up a big misunderstanding in regard to the Member for Hay River who presented a document. I was unable to be in the House yesterday due to a personal tragedy that occurred in my riding, therefore, I was unable to respond to the issue that was raised by the Member for Hay River . I had not considered this to have grown into this proportion and I was not aware that this problem would become so great. I would like to indicate to the Member for Hay River and to my friend and colleague, Mr.

Arlooktoo , that I did write the note. At the time I considered it as a confidential piece of writing and I did it more in the spirit of fun and as a joke. I do pass notes to my colleagues in the House not of a serious nature. I express my true regret today for having caused such a huge problem and I accept responsibility for the hardship that has been caused for the Member for Hay River , Jane Groenewegen , as well as, for the Member, Mr. Goo Arlooktoo . Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mrs. Groenewegen .

Point of Privilege

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to rise on a point of privilege today. Mr. Speaker, in light of what this House has just heard regarding the unsigned note, I would like to say that I accept Mr. Barnabas ' apology for writing the note. I would also like to offer my sincere apology to Mr. Arlooktoo and to this House. It was not my intention in seeking the truth in this matter to call into question the honesty and integrity of the honourable Member, nor indeed, any honourable Member. In my quest to find the truth, Mr. Speaker, the document which I tabled, I did believe to be true. At this time, Mr.

Speaker, I would request that I could seek the unanimous agreement of this House to withdraw Tabled Document 49-13(5) with my sincere apology for any inadvertent reflections on the character or integrity of the Member for Baffin South . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Hay River is seeking unanimous consent to withdraw Tabled Document 49-13(5). Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mrs. Groenewegen , you have unanimous consent. Tabled Document 49-13(5) is now withdrawn.

--Applause

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 63-13(5): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Manitok Thompson will be absent from the House for the remainder of the week to attend the Manitoba Trade Mission in Iqaluit and the Keewatin Regional Leadership meetings on the Keewatin pilot project in Rankin Inlet. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 63-13(5): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 257-13(5): Environmental Assessment Of Cape Christian

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I spoke about the garbage and abandoned buildings at Cape Christian, a former American coast guard station located 12 miles northeast of Clyde River. Today, I would like to talk about the environmental assessment done in 1996 and for the record, Mr. Speaker, I was involved in that assessment in 1996 by the Canadian Royal Military College. Their study showed that there are small amounts of PCBs in the paint of the buildings and 23 cubic metres of soil were found to be contaminated within the site.

The study concluded that the site received low priority on the clean-up list, as there was minimal contamination and there was small risk posed by contaminants on site. The owner of the site is now the Government of the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, Clyde River would like assurances from the government that the site is environmentally safe. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 257-13(5): Environmental Assessment Of Cape Christian

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr.

Barnabas.

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Member's Statement 258-13(5): Support For Friendship Centres

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be speaking in Inuktitut. Mr. Speaker, this morning we met with the Members and staff regarding the friendship centres. It is important that these organizations receive funding because of the different initiatives they wish to carry out for their services and to maintain their businesses. In maintaining the services it was indicated, perhaps two years ago, by the friendship centres, the communications departments and the different organizations within the regions to help promote unity among adults and younger people, as well as elders.

This is promoted through the use of the friendship centres, including translation requirements, language and culture initiatives. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 258-13(5): Support For Friendship Centres

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 259-13(5): Support For Friendship Centres

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, will be making a statement about the friendship centres in the Northwest Territories. As the Member stated, this morning we had the opportunity to hear from the Northwest Territories Council for Friendship Centres in relation to some of the obligations they have to fulfil and, also, the dedication they have to serve the people of the Northwest Territories. In regard to the friendship centres in Canada, this is considered one of the oldest aboriginal institutions in Canada which moved north in the 1970s.

The Tree of Peace Friendship Centre was established in Yellowknife in the early 1960s and other centres were developed from then, such as the Uncle Gabe's Friendship Centre, the Soaring Eagle Friendship Centre and Ingamo Hall in Inuvik. Mr.

Speaker, in regard to the work and efforts these organizations do to assist, not only the government, but to serve the people of the Northwest Territories, I think it is important to note that all other jurisdictions in Canada, using an example such as Alberta who allocates more than $250,000 a year to the Alberta Native Friendship Centres, plus an additional $25,000 to $30,000 to each of their 20 centres to offset the operational costs. The same thing applies in British Columbia which allocates $100,000 to provincial friendship centres and up to $30,000 to each friendship centre to offset the operational costs.

Mr. Speaker, it is critical that we support these organizations with the initiatives that we see. I think where we have gone with this government with the deficits and the cuts we see in our community, more and more people do not have the services and agencies that they had at one time. The demand on these organizations, such as the friendship centres, is coming to the point where they are dealing with not only social issues, but justice issues and assisting people where a lot of the systems and programs we had in place before are no longer there. Mr.

Speaker, it is critical that this government and other colleagues of this House seriously look into the delivery of programs and services that this government offers. Such an organization like the friendship centre has to be allowed the benefit of the doubt and have the opportunity to seriously play an active role in what happens in this government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 259-13(5): Support For Friendship Centres

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 260-13(5): Support For Friendship Centres

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Inuvik has a long history with the Ingamo Hall Friendship Centre. The Ingamo Hall Friendship Centre has seen and been faced with many continued cuts over the past few years. These cuts have affected the way they offer programs and services for the community and surrounding communities. Last year they gave up the Alcohol and Drug Program due to the continuous cuts. Ingamo Hall could not offer this program effectively with the amount of funds they were given. The Literacy Program is another program that Ingamo Hall offers in the community and each year the funding is being cut.

This past year Ingamo has had to fund raise over $40,000 to carry this program. This is another program they may have to let go if the funding is not secured. The Ingamo Hall also operates an HIV/AIDS awareness project that is currently funded through Health Canada. This project receives $45,000 a year to operate. Once again, these limited funds prevent them from offering a viable program. Mr. Speaker, we know that many groups, organizations and individuals throughout the Northwest Territories have had to deal with reductions.

It has made ongoing difficulties for volunteers to continue to provide the level of programs they once were able to do. Mr. Speaker, we have heard on many occasions how volunteers wear thin after a while and there are few people to take over the places once those people move on. I urge this government to look through its budgets to try and find some available funding to help out these groups because it is these groups that help out the children and families on the lower income scales. We have heard so much about them in this forum.

I urge my Cabinet colleagues to review what they can and try and find some appropriate funding so we can ensure the people of the territories have an equal opportunity to receive help that will benefit them in the long run. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 260-13(5): Support For Friendship Centres

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 261-13(5): Faber Lake Outpost Camp

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to congratulate a man from Rae Lakes that saw a dream and pursued it. As you may have seen in yesterday's News North, Alphonse Apples sought an opportunity to live his traditional lifestyle and at the same time help his fellow community and regional members. Alphonse has set up the Faber Lake Outpost Camp which helps minor offenders integrate back into their communities without the need to house them in the YCC. Mr. Speaker, at the present, I understand he only has two inmates at the camp, but he is hoping to get more.

Camp life is hard and living is basic, bringing back the traditional Dene way of life. Alphonse teaches the inmates how to hunt, fish and do other camp duties. They also learn how to

skin all types of animals and treat our mother earth with respect. Alphonse's camp is one of the eight camps currently operated across the north. I feel this is an excellent way to teach the inmates the traditional way of life and to bring them back to their home communities. I would like to congratulate Alphonse for his helpfulness and caring for his fellow men. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 261-13(5): Faber Lake Outpost Camp

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 262-13(5): Support For Friendship Centres

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The record and honourable history of the friendship centres are very clear and undeniable across Canada. Part of that comes from the contribution of the Uncle Gabe's Friendship Centre in Fort Smith which is a long running institution that has had the benefit of a very good board and management, over the many years they have been in existence, allowing them to deliver critical programs in the community within their budget. As well, they have developed the skills over the years to be very effective in going after third party funding, Mr. Speaker.

Very clearly in Fort Smith, the Friendship Centre has become one of the major players in the inter-agency group that delivers and oversees programs in the community. They, as well, have suffered over the years from budget cuts, reductions to core funding, cutbacks in other areas through Health and Social Services.

It is going to be critical that the communities, through the health board of management and the department work with the friendship centres, not only in Fort Smith but across the north, to try to come to a greater and more formal work relationship that recognizes the contribution of friendship centres and could, hopefully, in the not too distant future, deal with issues like core funding for northern friendship centres, as we are one of the only jurisdictions that in fact do not provide core funding.

So I, as well, would like to pay my tribute and compliments to the friendship centres across the north and, of course, specifically to the one in Fort Smith, which is a very, very important organization in our community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 262-13(5): Support For Friendship Centres

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 263-13(5): Midget Hockey Team Selection Process

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about the Arctic Winter Games midget hockey team selection. Mr. Speaker, a constituent of mine contacted me yesterday and wanted me to set the record straight. Apparently, there have been some facts that have not been relayed consistently to the public. There has been a lot of media attention to this, as well as, statements and questions in the House.

My constituent wanted me to make it clear the team that won the territorials was not a Fort Smith hockey team, in fact, it was not even a South Slave hockey team, it was a conglomerate of the South Slave and Mackenzie region. There were ten players from Hay River and Fort Smith, there were five players from Mackenzie region. The team did win the territorials, but people knew that it would be an all-star Arctic Winter Games team and that the Arctic Winter Games team would go to the Air Canada Cup tournament.

Unfortunately, it appears that an important fact has been overlooked. The fact is that five players in total from the winning team were selected to the Arctic Winter Games team. My constituent wanted this emphasized that five players were, in fact, selected; there was one from Fort Smith, one from Hay River and three from the Mackenzie region.

Mr. Speaker, I have checked and selecting an all-star team for the Arctic Winter Games is consistent with the past three or four Arctic Winter Games. I have been informed that an all-star format is used in order to keep the larger centres from dominating the games and from sending all the teams. This allows the smaller communities to get their children into the games. Mr. Speaker, this is well demonstrated in the facts that there are ten communities represented on this midget team. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 263-13(5): Midget Hockey Team Selection Process

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 264-13(5): Appreciation For Spousal Support

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this past weekend, I was home in Iqaluit. It was the first time I was able to return home since the 16th of January. Mr. Speaker, while here in the Legislative Assembly sometimes this becomes the focus of our entire lives, and we lose sight of the real reason we came here in the first place.

Mr. Speaker, going home this weekend and spending time with my family and seeing the work my wife has to do being mother and father, raising our three children while I am absent, made me reflect on why someone would seek political office. Mr. Speaker, the role of a political spouse is very demanding and full of sacrifice. To go home and be welcomed back by the community, to be phoned, stopped at the Bay while getting our groceries, of neighbours stopping by, of sincere thanks after church on Sunday, makes the job and the responsibilities worthwhile.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the many people in Iqaluit who have given my wife and I support through their kind words and actions. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to thank my wife for the sacrifices she has made. I will continue to represent my home and my constituency to the best of my abilities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 264-13(5): Appreciation For Spousal Support

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 265-13(5): Telephone Rate Increases

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My comments today will be on the ever-increasing price of having a phone. A telephone is one of those modern conveniences that is hard to live without. Where would each of us be if we did not have this method of communicating with each other?

Here in the north it is becoming increasingly expensive to have a telephone. In 1995, NorthwesTel was allowed to boost its basic access rate by $3 a month. Last year, that basic cost went up by $4 more a month. Now, we have received word that basic access will rise by $10 a month by August, 1999. That is a raise of $17 per month in the past four years, Mr. Speaker.

The phone company says it has no choice but to bill us for more basic access and local use because it is dropping its long distance rates, but those rates are still amongst the highest in the country. NorthwesTel's long distance revenues of $75 million in 1996 accounted for more than 60 percent of all the company's revenues.

There was talk about opening the northern market to competition by the CRTC, but the CRTC has pushed that back to July 1, 2000. While NorthwesTel says it is making all these changes in order to become more competitive, I am left wondering, competitive with whom? For the next 30 months, NorthwesTel will reap higher local rates, but remains a monopoly and that just does not seem fair.

For a lot of our citizens $17 more a month for a phone is a huge expense. These rate hikes should have been pegged directly to the opening up of the market to competition, which at least would have given consumers an alternative. We are all forced to pay substantially more for what should be regarded as an essential service. It may just become too expensive for many people to have a telephone. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 265-13(5): Telephone Rate Increases

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 266-13(5): Addressing Our Social Problems

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is no longer acceptable to recite our problems as the leaders in Canada in incarceration rates, suicide rates, infant mortality rates, fetal alcohol syndrome, FAE and alcohol consumption. Mr. Speaker, have we become too calloused as leaders that we do not cry when we read the letters, like those recently published in the newspaper by people who were the victims of abuse in residential schools when they were children.

Mr. Speaker, the north is in need of collective healing. We have men in our jails today who are returning there for the seventh and eighth time. Many of them are in the correctional facilities in our communities. It would do us well to go down to the Salvation Army or the YCC and have a meal with some of these inmates who will soon return to their communities with little hope of employment and little hope of avoiding the ability to resist the temptations that have messed up their lives in the first place.

Mr. Speaker, many people may see me as an affluent business woman from a comparatively affluent community, but I want to assure you that I have put my money where my mouth is. I have worked with people in our society who are in need of healing and in need of care.

Mr. Speaker, it is important, that we, as the leadership of this small territory, try to truly reflect the goals and aspirations of our people, not to be insulated, detached or completely preoccupied with process and managerial approach. The leadership must be visionary and passionate about our goals including the healing and wellness of our residents.

Today I would like to take our hats off to the people at the community level who address those social needs, and meet the needs of those people, including agencies such as the friendship centres. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 266-13(5): Addressing Our Social Problems

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 267-13(5): Archaic Legislation

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 850

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am confused by the comments made by some Ministers in this House in the past few days. Several Ordinary Members have pointed out there is an urgent need for legislative amendments to be made because we have several acts that are outdated and cumbersome. The Labour Standards Act and the Condominium Act, for example, are preventing people in the Northwest Territories from carrying out reasonable and necessary arrangements that any employer, purchaser or business person located elsewhere in Canada would be entitled to make.

Under our Labour Standards Act, an employer or employee in the Northwest Territories cannot even come to an agreement about the hours of work that best suit them both. We do not know how many employees our legislation is forcing to work outside of the system, possibly illegally. Another prime example is our Workers' Compensation Act. I venture to say there are no other Workers' Compensation Boards in Canada who have the ability to sue an employer.

Mr. Speaker, Members have been told by the Deputy Premier, by the Minister of Finance and by the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development that the legislative agenda of this government is full and that the government has set its priorities and apparently, that is that. Division is coming and our hands are tied. There is very little they say they can do.

On the other hand, new initiatives are being brought forward and we cannot seem to get a clear answer as to whether legislation will be required to implement them or not and I refer to the Keewatin pilot project.

Mr. Speaker, the government seems to have its priorities misplaced. With division coming, there is even more reason to clean up the field. The last thing that the two new governments need, is to inherit obstructive legislation. Our outdated statutes are causing enough problems now. Surely, we do not want to duplicate them. Before we spend all our efforts putting into place grand new initiatives that may not even be appropriate for Nunavut, we need to make sure we do not perpetuate past mistakes. That is where our priorities should be. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Return To Oral Question 322-13(5): Impact Of Freight Cost Increases

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 851

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have two returns. The first one is one asked by Mr. Barnabas on February 13th in regard to the impact of freight cost increases.

On Friday, February 13, the Member for High Arctic directed a question to the Premier asking how NAV Canada's phase I introduction of fees for air navigation services on April 1, 1998 will affect the cost of living in the north. As the Premier indicated, this is not an easy question to answer precisely.

NAV Canada's new fees will come in two stages, one effective April 1, 1998 and the second on November 1, 1998. At the same time, the Air Transportation Tax will disappear in two 50 percent reductions.

How the air carriers, in turn, plan to recover NAV Canada's fees from the customers is a matter of each carrier's corporate pricing strategy. Depending on its competitive position, a carrier may decide to pass on all or a portion of the fees. The carrier also has the additional flexibility to distribute its fee recoveries between its passenger fares and its freight rates.

The new fee structure could not be avoided as NAV Canada put the air navigation system on a full cost recovery basis. Nonetheless, in a vigourous lobbying campaign with the northern air carriers over the past year, the Department of Transportation has been successful in minimizing the impact of the new fee structure on northern routes.

The department was able to make NAV Canada recognize that the fee structure, as it was originally proposed, would have had a greater effect on northern than southern air routes. As a result, NAV Canada agreed to raise the weight limit of the aircraft which the phase I fees would apply from 5.5 to 8 tonnes. The higher weight limit exempts Twin Otters and aircraft of similar size from the phase I fees. The department also won the concession that the new fees would not apply to flights departing from northern and remote airports where the air navigation services are delivered by CARS stations.

The phase one fees are set to come into effect on March 1st. The department is still in discussion with NAV Canada on the phase two fees that will come into effect on November 1st. Although I cannot be specific at this point, I am confident that we will have similar success in reducing the impact of phase two fees as we have already had with phase one fees.

For all that, I am sorry, I cannot give the Member an exact answer on the overall effect the new passenger fares and freight rates will have on the cost of living in northern communities. Too much depends on how the air carriers themselves decide to factor NAV Canada service fees into their fares and rate schedules. The final effect on the delivery costs of air cargo will vary from community to community.

I can tell the Member that the effect of the new fees on the northern cost of living will is less than if the Department of Transportation had not intervened with NAV Canada as early and as vigorously as it did.

My second return to oral question, Mr. Speaker, was a question asked by Mr. Erasmus on February 13th, in regard to NorthwesTel rate increases.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 851

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

First, I would like to remind Members that my role in relation to NorthwesTel is to ensure that the interests of the people of the Northwest Territories are made clear to the CRTC. It is the CRTC that makes the rules and sets the rates for phone companies.

I can tell you that providing local telephone service is very expensive, especially in the north. For a long time, phone companies structured their rates so that every house could afford to have a phone. This meant that long distance rates had to be higher in order to help pay for the local costs.

When phone companies were deregulated, competition for long distance services became intense. In order to compete for long distance customers, the companies that provided local access decided that the local system had to pay for itself, instead of depending on long distance revenues.

The rate increases we have seen so often in the Northwest Territories in recent years are the result of NorthwesTel getting ready for competition. They are increasing local access and balancing that with decreases to long distance rates. This works out well for customers who make a lot of long distance calls. Their total phone bill will probably go down. However, the CRTC has specifically ordered the introduction of long distance competition by July 1, 2000. NorthwesTel has been directed to increase local rates by $4 effective August 1, 1998 and by $6 effective August 1, 1999.

This government made a submission to the CRTC when they were holding hearings last year to decide on whether long distance competition should be implemented. We supported long distance competition. We realized that it would mean some increases in local rates, but we recommended to the CRTC that they introduce subsidies for areas like the Northwest Territories where costs of providing service are very high.

I am pleased to report that the CRTC took that recommendation seriously. They will be holding hearings across the country and in the north starting in May of 1998. We intend to continue to be aggressive on the need for subsidies to help northerners and we will be making a submission to the CRTC to make sure that northerners' interests are represented on this important issue. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Page 852

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 852

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure today to recognize Roy Courtoreille, the chairman of the board of directors of the Soaring Eagle Friendship Centre in Hay River, also, Abbie Crook, long-time friendship centre and social activist and, also, on the national board of friendship centres. Also, Dawna O'Brien who is actively involved in our friendship centre. They represent many years of community service and I would like to recognize them for their efforts. Thank you.

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 852

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Roland .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 852

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to introduce three members from Inuvik, Ann Kasook, the executive director of the Ingamo Hall Friendship Centre, Barry Greenland, a board member of Ingamo Hall Friendship Centre and Derek Lindsay, a town councillor and a board member of the Ingamo Hall Friendship Centre.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to rise to recognize some of the members from Uncle Gabe's Friendship Centre. From the board, there is Lynn Dumont, Ethel Chalifoux, Tina McNeill, Al Dumont as well as Roger Rawlyk, the executive director. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to recognize Barry Greenland, the sub-chief from Inuvik and, also, Chuck Laroque and other members of the friendship centres who are all here today. Welcome.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Antoine .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am happy today to introduce two members of Fort Simpson, two of my constituents who are also here with the friendship centre delegation. First of all, I would like to introduce Dwayne Lafferty, he is the executive director of the Deh Cho Society Friendship Centre in Fort Simpson, as well as, Alexa Tsetso, she is a youth representative with the Deh Cho Society Friendship Centre in Fort Simpson. Mahsi and thank you.

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 343-13(5): GNWT Role Regarding Telephone Rates

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 852

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of Transportation some questions in regard to telephone rates in the Northwest Territories. He mentioned in his return to an oral question today that they have asked the CRTC to hold hearings into providing subsidies for certain areas in the Northwest Territories. Could the Minister tell

us, is that for all of the Northwest Territories or only certain areas? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to clarify that I wear three different hats as Minister here in this House and, I think, my role as Minister of Public Works and Services is what my relationship with NorthwesTel is. Again, we are there to represent the interests of all the people in the Northwest Territories and the request that we made is for all the residents of the Northwest Territories in regard to the subsidies which they should consider in their increases to their telephone rates. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister stated that they are starting hearings next summer. Could the Minister tell us, if it is only in the Northwest Territories that they are looking at a subsidy system? Is that the purpose of it?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the CRTC will be starting to hold hearings across the country, and in the north, starting in May of this year. We recommended to the CRTC that they consider introducing subsidies for areas like the Northwest Territories, especially areas where the cost of providing the service is very high.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I take it that the Minister is really speaking of areas such as the isolated communities where it does not pay for the telephone company to operate as to the larger communities like Yellowknife. Could the Minister tell us, what specifically are they asking the CRTC for a subsidy for, is it for a telephone company to operate in isolated areas or is it for individuals to obtain reduced rates?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, previously, before this change by CRTC and the billing of the telephones started, the long distance telephone rates were subsidizing the local telephone rates. Now, with long distance competition that is going to be implemented in the Northwest Territories, is going to change. The cost of long distance telephone services will decrease and the cost of local telephone services will increase. In a lot of the smaller communities, there is a volume that is very small to try to subsidize themselves, so we will be looking at the smaller communities more so than Yellowknife.

It is just in the beginning stage, we really do not know how it is going to go. The CRTC will be holding hearings to listen to all the interested parties in the north. As a result, hopefully, that will influence them in how they are going to be implementing the telephone rates. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the hearings will start in May of 1998, which is only several months away. Does the Minister have an indication yet, of where the CRTC will be holding hearings?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

No, we do not know where they are going to start. We will find out. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 344-13(5): Recognition Of Friendship Centres

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 853

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question would be directed to the Premier at this time. Mr. Speaker, as I had mentioned in my Member's statement, the concerns and the work the Ingamo Hall Friendship Centre has provided, it has had a long history in Inuvik in dealing with individuals from seniors in our community, right down to the infants and has provided much help to many individuals through the long history it has had in Inuvik. One of the things I would like to ask the Premier about is the issue of the community empowerment and transfer initiatives. Would this government recognize a group such as the friendship centres as one of the groups that can take

part in community empowerment initiatives? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know that this government does recognize the hamlets, the city or settlement councils in the communities on an equal basis to band councils and Metis locals, but whether or not it recognizes the friendship centres on that same level, I do not know. I would have to find out for the Member what element is involved in the recognition of local governments. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Premier inform us once he looks into this if, for example, right now recognizing community transfers, our community governments and in Inuvik we have three, the Town of Inuvik, the Nihtat Gwich'in Council and the Inuvik Community Corporation, being the Inuvialuit group, if that system is not functioning, will they look at some alternative forms? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are committed to working with local elected officials in every community. For example in Inuvik, the town council, the Gwich'in, the Inuvialuit people and the community empowerment. I do not think it would be proper for us, as a government, to say if that does not work, we are going to do it another way. We are totally committed to working with the local

community groups to achieve community empowerment. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Premier inform this House if the group gets a letter of agreement or a signed letter from the other community governments, if an organization such as Ingamo Hall Friendship Centre in Inuvik, is pursuing an avenue of community empowerment or one of the initiatives, will it be looked at and dealt with? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That would be completely up to the community. They know best what function, avenue or vehicle they would use to deliver services to their community members. For example, in Inuvik, if the local government organizations decided that the friendship centre would be the best vehicle used to deliver a service to the people, then, by all means, we agree with local organizations. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Premier regarding grants and contributions within the executive. I was wondering if it is possible for the Minister and Cabinet to consider looking at the way grants and contributions are distributed and if there is a possibility of looking at some way funds can be allocated to the friendship centres through these grants and contributions.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member is well aware, the grants and contributions of this government have a very limited amount of dollars. I would be quite willing to look at that. I am not even sure, offhand, Mr. Speaker, how much grants and contributions we do have. I will take a look at that and get back to the Member. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the NWT Council of Friendship Centre's presentation this morning, they do provide service to a lot of people in the Northwest Territories. I would like to ask the Premier , will he and Cabinet consider looking at the possibility of finding a way to contribute operations and maintenance costs to the individual friendship centres? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I apologize. I did not catch the full question. Can I have the Member repeat it please?

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Mr. Krutko , your second supplementary.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question was in light of the discussions we had with the friendship centres this morning and the number of people that they do serve in the Northwest Territories. Will the Premier and his colleagues in Cabinet consider looking at the possibility of distributing operations and maintenance costs for funding to the individual friendship centres in the Northwest Territories?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said earlier, we do have a limited amount of dollars available in our budget for grants and contributions. We have approximately $95,000 for the women's initiative grant, we have $167,000 for the Native Women's Association, we have $296,000 for the Status of Women Council. I believe, Mr. Speaker, that is all the dollars we do have within the Executive's budget on grants and contributions. I know, previously, Members of the Assembly were quite concerned if we reduced any grants and contributions to the women's organizations or the Native Women's Association. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We all recognize that there is a funding crunch, especially when it comes to grants and contributions. The issue is important enough to myself and the other colleagues that the Premier , along with his Cabinet and Members of the social committee and other Members in the House, if we cannot find alternative funds within the budget and seriously consider looking at the possibility of funding the centres through a new source of funding if that is the will of the Premier to work along with other Members in this House to look at a new pot fund. If there is a will, there is a way, I think that if the Premier can commit to it.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will commit to the Member, and to the friendship centres, that we will work with our local organizations in the communities, as well as, with the friendship centres, the Metis locals, the band councils, the local elected hamlets, settlements or towns, to look at the funds that are existing in those communities to see how they can better use those funds. I will commit to that. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Premier consider looking at the possibility of working along with the friendship centres to review the capital assets of this government when it comes to establishing new facilities within communities? There was a suggestion made this morning about looking at something possibly for Rankin Inlet where we may have capital assets which are not being used now. Is it a possibility to allow those friendship centres to take over these facilities for a dollar?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do have a disposal of goods policy that we do use. The local government, whether it is a hamlet, settlement or whatever municipal government, the band council and the Metis local, all these three are treated equally on the disposal of property assets with this government. I do know that in the past, for example, the Soaring Eagle Friendship Centre in Hay River, we gave them that building and the Metis local as a government, for a dollar. The book value on that building I believe was $380,000, the old liquor store warehouse.

The last time I went by there, there was a beehive of activity and they are making very good use of it. It was a good investment by our government by giving them that building. I should know that. My mother started it or was very instrumental in starting it many, many years ago.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as to my Member's statement earlier this morning, I would like to ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment if any equipment that was used by the language bureau could be made available for friendship centre use? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, I am not aware if any plans for the disposal of equipment for the language bureau have been made or if, in fact, any of that equipment will continue to be needed by the government. I would be prepared to investigate and get back to the Member. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Several times in this House we have heard from various Ministers, last week from the Education Minister , that there was no more money to rebase their budgets, but there are surpluses and slippage within individual departments. I am wondering would the Finance Minister commit to the House at this time that, when there is slippage, when there are surplus monies within individual departments, would he commit those funds to Mr. Dent to help him rebase Education so that our teachers are not in bad situations with overcrowded classrooms and so on. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

No, Mr. Speaker. It would be inappropriate for me to commit to one department versus another department. As Finance Minister , I have the obligation and responsibility to make sure that monies that we distribute to the programs and departments are done in a fair and reasonable way based upon the priorities of the government. We have heard earlier today everybody speaking about the friendship centres and need for additional dollars there. We have heard in the House from Mr.

Picco himself that we need money for librarians, we need money for teachers, we need money for health, we need money for everything according to him the last three or four years. What I would say is that, if there are any surpluses or slippages in departments, we would look at it as an overall approach to government and allocate those dollars accordingly, but at this time, I have not seen any surpluses or slippages. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker I could refresh the Minister's memory. Last week in Hansard, the Education Minister and the Finance Minister said that the Members of this House pick and select the priorities of the government where money is going to be spent. For example, $500,000 or more surpluses in the firefighting budget was then reallocated to other departments based on a priority. Is the Minister telling me if the Members of this House do not think education is a priority, he cannot shift money around? I think

over the last couple of weeks the questions and the statements made in this House have demonstrated that, indeed, to the Members of this House, education is a priority. I will ask the Minister, what happens to that money when there are surpluses that he cannot remember? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I like it when my colleague gets excited. (Applause) Anyway, Mr. Speaker, as I said to my colleague and the colleagues in the House at this time, I do not see where there are going to be any surpluses except for what we announced in the budget. I believe if there was an overall surplus in the budget, it would go against the accumulated deficit to ensure that when the two new territories come into being, that the debt load that they will have to carry will be less. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not trying to debate the Minister or take the bait. I am trying to ask a question. I believe the Minister is not entirely correct when he says that the only surpluses in this government would be directed toward the deficit because, as I just explained, there was a surplus in the firefighting budget. I believe last month there was $1.2 million under RWED that was rebased into other departments.

My question is, in those cases, not at the end of the fiscal year, but in those cases, where money has not been expended within an individual line item, individual departments, would the Minister help Mr. Dent , he said he needs the priority from the Members of this House. Will he help the Department of Education and rebase those monies? That is what I am asking.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As my honourable colleague knows, I was talking about any surpluses that may be acquired at year end that would be charged up against the accumulated deficit to ensure that his children, whom he talked so fondly about earlier today, are going to have a future and that they are not going to carry along a huge debt into Nunavut.

That is the overall objective of this government and if there are any departmental surpluses, we would review it as we normally do at the FMBS, make some recommendations, whether it is education or whether it is health care, or whether it is our colleagues in the House today and the friendship centres, et cetera. I am not prepared here to say whether one way or another. We put money into education, the friendship centres, health care, justice system, hospitals, et cetera, that this House has been debating for the last two and a half years.

What we will do is look at any surpluses in a comprehensive way, allocate them according to the priorities established in this House by both Cabinet and the Legislative Assembly and get on with the job of doing government and doing it well. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it took a couple of supplementaries to get to this point, but indeed, we just found out that there are departmental surpluses at varying times, that FMBS and this House decide what the priorities are. It has been demonstrated, this House has identified education as a priority. Again, I would ask the Minister of Finance , that when there are departmental surpluses, would the Minister and the FMBS, the Cabinet, the government and Ordinary Members have an opportunity to ask and go to Mr. Todd to make education a priority so we could rebase like we did last week with some other organizations within this government? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I must be clear, Mr. Speaker, education is a priority of this government, the same as health care, housing for poor people and friendship centres, et cetera. It is naive for my colleague to stand up in the House and say, it is a number one priority and, therefore, we should shift the money there because I have the support of this House. If he wishes to bring a motion in, and suggest to me as to where we put it, and the House says where it wants it, we would give it due consideration. Thank you.

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Question 348-13(5): Disposal Of GNWT Liquor Warehouse

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd . Sometime ago, the government had listed some assets that they wished to offer for sale. Among those assets was the real estate known as the location of the liquor warehouse. Could the Minister tell us as to what the situation is with that particular piece of land, as far as disposal? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If my honourable colleague is referring to the liquor warehouse which currently resides across from the MacDonald's, the arrangement which has been made with this government is, we have offered the land to the city at a nominal fee, so they can build the new arena they wish to build. The land and the arrangement are

conditional upon them building the arena on that property. We would put out to public tender the acquisition of the building itself. It is no longer required as it now has been privatized and is in private hands. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for that information and I understand from what he says is, the City of Yellowknife was offered the land. Was that a condition of the City of Yellowknife obtaining the land that they would build an arena on it or can they use it for some other project? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We were clear, explicit both in writing and orally. It means the land was approved by Cabinet conditional on the city building the arena on that property. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister if the City of Yellowknife chooses not to build an arena on that land, will the Government of the Northwest Territories repossess it? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, if the city should decide not to utilize the land to build the arena, the land will come back to the government. Then the government will make a decision as to how to dispose of it. Thank you.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Minister. It was reasonably clear. Will the government still be proceeding with the disposal of the structure that is on that property, regardless of whether the city uses it or not? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

My colleague, Mr. Dent , advises me that city hall will be making a decision on this proposal on Monday. Subject to whatever the decision is made by city hall, then the government will have to decide how it acts. Assuming city hall agrees they are going to build a new arena on that property and given that Cabinet has to sign it off, then I would make the assumption, that the land would then be transferred to the city and the government would put out the tender for the facility, the building, to public tender for people to bid on. Thank you.

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Question 349-13(5): Northwestel Rate Increase

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 857

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Public Works and Services . It is in relation to the reply he had made about my questions concerning the NorthwesTel rate increases. I appreciate that the CRTC sets the rates of phone companies. The Minister had indicated that the company which provided local access, decided the local system had to pay for itself instead of depending on long distance revenues. It was the reason for the local rate increases. I would like to know if there was a reason for implementing the local phone rate hikes over a period of time, rather than raising it all at once when long distance competition is allowed into the NWT?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not know the reasons why. I do not know the complete details of the package different companies are bringing forward. I will endeavour to look into that and try to get more specific on exactly what their reasoning is for the honourable Member. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister also indicated that at the last hearings they recommended that the CRTC introduce subsidies for areas like the Northwest Territories where costs of providing services are high. Could the Minister indicate from whom would the subsidies come?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, NorthwesTel previously was subsidizing the local phone rates for long distance. The subsidy would be done by the phone

companies that will be continuing to provide those services. If NorthwesTel is going to be providing those services, the subsidies would be handled internally from within the company. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister had indicated that subsidies would be from competing companies, including companies from the south. Could the Minister indicate what would be the consequence if there are no subsidies involved in the CRTC's decision? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I assume that if presentations to the CRTC during their hearings across the country in the north, starting in May, are is not taken into account, mainly the position that we will be moving forward is, urging them to seriously consider looking at the north. The cost of doing business in the north and using the telephone is very high and they should seriously consider having a subsidy system in their works. If that is not taken into consideration, the worst case scenario is, the telephone rates will be a lot higher than what we have today.

NorthwesTel has been directed to increase local rates by $4 effective August, 1998, and $6 effective August, 1999. This is after the hearings take place. There is already direction by the CRTC for NorthwesTel to increase their rates. I assume that would remain in place. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the CRTC does not include subsidies in its decision, will outside competition be contributing anything at all to the phone system which is currently operating in the north, so people can actually have phones in their homes?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not know at this point in time. Again, there are going to be public hearings and we are going to be making a very aggressive effort in trying to have subsidies to help northerners. Thank you.

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Question 350-13(5): Statute Revision Process

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 858

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Justice and it is with regard to a division related issue which is the statutes revision. About a year ago, when a detailed process, such as this, was undertaken, the decision was made by the department to use in-house staff to take on this task, as opposed to bringing in somebody specifically detailed to do that job. From what I am hearing, this has become a full-time occupation for some of your senior people. A lot of the other legislation needs to be updated and will not get addressed because there is not time.

What we will be doing is marrying inadequate, old and out of date legislation in the west marrying in the east because of the fact we do not have time. Could the Minister indicate whether this process is on time? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Justice , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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