Debates of March 4th, 1997

This is page numbers 1067 - 1096 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Gender Parity

Tribute To Cape Dorset Mace Designers

Concerns With Trail Cross Facility Privatization

Passing Of Community Leader In Igloolik - Sarah (aqiaroq) Konoo

Contracting In Nunavut Communities

Support For Tl'oondih Healing Society

Hunter Traffic On The Colomac Road

GNWT Staffing Policies

Flexibility In Medical Travel

Expedient Appointment Of Interim Commissioner

New Headlight Legislation

Importance Of Access Roads

Western Constitutional Process

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Facilitator For Constitutional Consultation Process

State Of Affairs At Trail Cross Facility

Concerns With Affirmative Action Policy

Core Funding To Tl'oondih Healing Society

Non-medical Escorts For Elders

Status Of Leases For Social Housing

Construction Contract In Clyde River

Community Consultation For Access Roads

Funding For Bylaw Officers

Library Closures

Federal Involvement In Constitutional Process

Summer Student Hiring Program

Return To Written Question 14-13(4): Staffing Appeals

Policy On Non-competitive Contracts

Appointment Of An Information And Privacy Commissioner

Extended Adjournment

Item 16: Motions

Extended Adjournment

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

To Provide A Comprehensive List Of Subsidies To The Social Programs Committee

To Provide A Plan For The Integration Of Seniors' Programs And Subsidies

To Provide An Analysis Of The Impacts Of User Say/user Pay

To Develop An Approach To Deal With Forced Growth

To Amend Sub-clause 1(9) Of Bill 7: Municipal Statutes Amending Act

To Amend Sub-clause 2(7) Of Bill 7: Municipal Statutes Amending Act

To Amend Sub-clause 3(6) Of Bill 7: Municipal Statutes Amending Act

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Third Reading Of Bills

Bill 7-13(4) Municipal Statutes Amending Act

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Good afternoon. Orders of the day, Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Gender Parity

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to speak about gender parity. Political astuteness would tell me to stay away from this subject. However, I would not be myself if I did not wade in where angels fear to tread. First of all, I want to state categorically, for the record, that I would like to see more women in politics. For one thing, it would make our government more representative of the people it serves. I have a little statistic here.

It says that Canada may be ranked as the number one country in the world by other measures but, when it comes to representation of women according to the inter-parliamentary union, we are ranked 21st, just between Uganda and another country which I could not catch the name of, probably Uzbekistan or some place. Men and women are different. They bring profoundly different perspectives and approaches to people, processes and problems. I know that no matter how many male-dominated organizations I associate with, I still think, speak and act like a woman.

Over the past few weeks, I have been asked for my opinion on gender parity in territorial ridings. I want to see more women in political office because I know it would affect, as we say, the way we do government. But would I be willing to give up my right to compete with men to get there? I would have to say no. I have been blessed with parents who encouraged and told me I could do anything I put my mind to. I have been blessed with a supportive husband who is willing to do more than his share to allow me to pursue my goals, but I have also worked very hard my whole life to prove that I am equal to any male. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Gender Parity

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Tribute To Cape Dorset Mace Designers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure and pride to inform Members that a long overdue issue will be finally dealt with this month in Cape Dorset. On March 14, 1997, I will be travelling to Cape Dorset along with the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly, Mr. Sam Gargan, and the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories, Her Honour Helen Maksagak, to pay special tribute to the great artists from Cape Dorset who designed and build the Mace.

Mr. Speaker, the project began in Cape Dorset on July 15, 1955, under the supervision of the well-known artist, Mr. James Houston. There were a total of nine Inuit artists involved in the project and they completed the task in just 21 days. The Governor General then presented it in Ottawa to the Legislative Assembly in 1956.

Mr. Speaker, four of the original artists are still living today. Oshawetuk Ipeelie, Lutka Qiatsuk, Kovianaktuliak Parr, Ashevak Ezekiel. Unfortunately, the remaining artists have passed away. They were: Peter Pitseolak, Nungoshuitok, Qavaroak Tunnillie, Moses Tauki and Kovianatuliak Ottokie.

At a special community gathering on Saturday, March 15th, we will be making special presentations to the carvers themselves or a direct descendant who has been chosen by the family to receive the presentation.

In addition, we will also pay a special tribute to Mrs. Oodlooreak Manning, who donated her prized copper kettle to be modified into the crown when the native copper originally planned for use proved too brittle. Her kettle was eventually replaced by the Governor General.

Mr. Speaker, the original Mace is too valuable a treasure to risk in a journey over 1,000 kilometres to Cape Dorset. However, we will bring the exact replica, which is the one brought into this House each time we start sitting. I am sure that the carvers, their families, and the people of Cape Dorset will get great pleasure from seeing this exact replica of their artistry.

I would ask all Members to join me in congratulating and thanking the people of Cape Dorset for this outstanding contribution to the legacy of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Tribute To Cape Dorset Mace Designers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo . Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Concerns With Trail Cross Facility Privatization

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to talk briefly about Trail Cross. Trail Cross is a child care facility in Fort Smith that has been in operation since the '60s. It has evolved over those years, up to last year, to a fairly well-run, sophisticated facility that delivers the high quality of care for children, mainly girls, across the Northwest Territories. It had mainly aboriginal staff who had been trained over the years to provide good service in conjunction with professional support services from Yellowknife and other jurisdictions.

The first year of this Assembly it was decided, as a cost-cutting measure, that there would be a privatization of that facility. That was done and it was turned over to a private contractor last year. There have been some concerns raised since that time but, as of late, there have been a number of incidents in that facility which cause me significant concern. Incidents involving children in care. Incidents and concerns raised by many people from my constituency about the programming that is currently underway. The fact that aboriginal staff seem to be quietly no longer employed there.

I am very concerned about the state of affairs and the well-being of the children. It is a very important program for the Northwest Territories, otherwise children that require that service would have to be sent south. I am sure the Minister shares my concern about the well-being of children in care and the need to have that kind of service effectively run. There do seem to be problems that have arisen since this institution and program was privatized. I think it is going to require a second look. I will be asking the Minister of Health and Social Services , at the appropriate time, questions about this particular facility and the incidents occurring there at present. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Concerns With Trail Cross Facility Privatization

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Passing Of Community Leader In Igloolik - Sarah (aqiaroq) Konoo

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have some sad news to share with you. Last night, in Igloolik, a person had passed away. This person is a 50 year old person and she has done a lot as a community leader. As well, she has been a member of the Anglican Church. She passed away last night. I would like to send my condolences to the family and we will be with you in our prayers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Passing Of Community Leader In Igloolik - Sarah (aqiaroq) Konoo

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Contracting In Nunavut Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon, Members. Today I want to talk about contracting within the Nunavut communities. In the Nunavut communities, under

Article 24 of the Nunavut Final Agreement, it states that anyone who is an aboriginal person can apply to have a contract under certain companies or under a certain contract or bid for a contract. In this case, the people of Nunavut can bid for contracts. Today I want to talk about Inuit from my riding, how a construction company in one of my communities has been requesting to do a contract to build an adult education unit in Clyde River. They have been given help from the hamlet of Clyde River and, as well, I have given my assistance as their Member of the Legislative Assembly. I have given them my support.

During question period, I will be asking a question to the Minister responsible for Public Works and Services , the honourable Minister Goo Arlooktoo . Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends.)

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Contracting In Nunavut Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Support For Tl'oondih Healing Society

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It gives me great honour to read the press release yesterday in relation to students from Fort McPherson who will be spending time at the Tl'oondih Healing Camp so that they can deal with the many issues that affect our students these days in relation to community concerns; also the thing that has affected the community the most in the last year, the arsons of the two fires; also to deal with the question of consultation and working along with children, parents, to make them aware of issues that effect them in regards to alcoholism and drug abuse, the question about suicides and what they are trying to do in relation to the community politics, and also what the healing camp consists of.

Mr. Speaker, in the last year since I arrived here, I have raised several questions and passed motions. There have been petitions passed in this House in relation to this issue. There was also a committee struck between the Minister, the Premier , the Minister of Finance , myself and members of the Gwich'in Tribal Council and the Tl'oondih Healing Society. Yet today after all consultation, the Minister still leaves a grey cloud over the community on exactly where we are going to go in relation to an investment that was made by the community for the people of Mackenzie Delta and the Northwest Territories to deal with healing and a program to deal with family programs that we have established.

Mr. Speaker, in relation to the attempts by the community to allow themselves to heal and to deal with the problems that affect a lot of our communities day in and day out, this initiative has been endorsed by the federal government. It has been endorsed by band councils, committee councils and also a lot of people in the north who have benefited from this program. Yet until today, I still do not see the support that I was hoping would be there from this government. Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time, I will be asking the Minister questions on this matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Support For Tl'oondih Healing Society

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Hunter Traffic On The Colomac Road

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As you may recall, last week during our sitting I asked the honourable Minister responsible for the Department of RWED why there was increased hunting traffic on the winter road that goes to Colomac mines. I believe the Minister did not truly understand what I was asking. My reasoning behind this statement is the fact that today in the morning news, I heard our Grand Chief, Joe Rabesca, talking about the amount of caribou meat that has been left behind by various hunters. Mr.

Speaker, as I stated previously, my region was hoping to work closely with the department to ensure there was adequate monitoring taking place. If hunters left meat behind, these individuals should be charged. Unfortunately, it seems that this has not happened.

Mr. Speaker, as I stated previously, the Dogrib Rae Band hired one of its own members to provide monitoring, as the Department of RWED is short staff in Rae-Edzo and could not perform an adequate job. There was also mention that the department's office in Yellowknife would occasionally assist the Rae Band Councils in monitoring. Mr. Speaker, it seems to me the department is not living up to the mandate by not enforcing their rules on hunting wildlife. I do not see why a hunter would go out to hunt caribou and take only a small portion of the animal. This is a total waste of a valuable resource and people should respect the resources. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Hunter Traffic On The Colomac Road

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Mr. Roland

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GNWT Staffing Policies

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise this afternoon on the issue of affirmative action. Mr. Speaker, I have said to the people of my community, I represent everybody equally. However, they grow concerned when jobs in the community are saved for someone else or when it is kept on casual and they continue to roll over these positions without handing them out to long-term residents of the north or people who fall under the affirmative action, P1.

Mr. Speaker, I have received a number of letters from my community raising this concern, especially in regards to the NWT Power Corporation. I have forwarded those concerns on to the Minister and I will be questioning him on this issue at the appropriate time. I have done so in the past, but the concern seems to keep coming around. I believe it is time to address this and deal with this once and for all, so people will know exactly what is happening and what the policies of this government and departments or corporations under this government are. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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GNWT Staffing Policies

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Flexibility In Medical Travel

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, an incident came to my attention during the latter part of February, concerning a couple from Arviat who lost their first born baby during the RSV outbreak last year. This couple is looking forward to the birth of their second child. However, the baby will have to be born in Winnipeg as it has potential medical problems. Due to the recent cutbacks for non-medical escorts, the father wrote me, worried that he would not be able or allowed to escort his wife to the hospital and be there to support her during the child's surgery that will be required at a later date. Mr.

Speaker, I wrote to the Keewatin Health Board and a copy of my letter went to Minister Ng . I am pleased to report that the health board did agree to allow the father to travel with the wife and stay there for the birth of the child. Mr. Speaker, we certainly appreciate the efforts of the Minister and his department and also the board in allowing this escort. Unfortunately, there are other situations that we are faced with other people in the community, elders where they are not allowed or do not meet the criteria in order to travel with their family members. Mr.

Speaker, I will be addressing this issue further with the Minister during question period.

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Flexibility In Medical Travel

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Expedient Appointment Of Interim Commissioner

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have a little calendar in the lobby of the Assembly counting down the days before division. Mr. Speaker, every Member of this House wants division to proceed smoothly and on course. When the agreement was signed finally giving a date for division, it seemed like a long time off. Now as the days quickly go by, Nunavut and the new western territory are becoming closer to reality. Mr. Speaker, there will and have been bumps on the road proceeding to and after division.

The fiscal framework, infrastructure, jobs and the actual makeup of the new governments themselves are causing much concern and debate. Constitution issues, as well as the appointment of the interim commissioner, are high on this agenda. In Nunavut, the appointment of the interim commissioner will be part of the final piece of the puzzle. The federal delay of this

appointment has caused much concern as the timeline towards Nunavut gets shorter. Mr. Speaker, every day we hear that the appointment is imminent. I would again ask this government in very strong language to communicate again with our partner, the federal government, to press on them to have the appointment made as expediently and expeditiously as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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New Headlight Legislation

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is about daytime headlights. Mr. Speaker, last year this Assembly passed a headlights bill, which made it mandatory to have headlights on at all times on our highways. During the winter, not much was said because we have so much darkness. Now that we are getting more light every day and some police officials are starting to enforce the law, there are some people starting to complain. I just wanted to remind everyone why it is important to have headlights on during the day. Studies show that having headlights on reduces accidents.

A Saskatchewan study showed 24 percent less accidents concerning pedestrians where daytime running lights were made mandatory. This means that one out of four accidents with pedestrians were averted. Similarly in Saskatchewan from 1982 to 1989, two vehicle crashes in the daytime were reduced by 28 percent after they introduced daytime running lights. In Finland, the use of daytime running lights in rural areas reduced daytime collisions by 27 percent. In Sweden, the use of daytime running lights reduced daytime collisions by 11 percent.

Mr. Speaker, if a vehicle has its lights on, it is easier to notice that vehicle in your side vision. It is particularly helpful for children and elderly people when they are trying to cross the streets. Currently, they have problems discerning how far away vehicles are and having headlights on helps them to tell if it is safe to cross or not. At this time of the year, cool temperatures bring blinding sunlight and increases your chances of seeing a vehicle coming at you in the sunlight if that vehicle has its lights on. Mr.

Speaker, I know that it can be an effort for those who do not have automatic lights, but I also believe that it is worth it if it helps even one person from having an accident. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Importance Of Access Roads

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to speak on access roads, especially for the smaller communities. It is very important to have access roads in the smaller communities, especially for the visitors, for hunting purposes, for tourists and also to go hunting and get to your boats and your vehicles. As a government, we have been cutting back. There have been cutbacks on the access roads as well. Later on this afternoon, I will be asking the Minister responsible for Transportation . Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends.)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Western Constitutional Process

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to say a few words today about the constitutional process that we are going through. This has been about a year's project and soon members of the Constitutional Working Group have arranged to hold meetings in various communities. In my community of Yellowknife, this will take place on March 18.

My area of concern with the consultation process is that we ensure that the Constitutional Working Group provide a facilitator to conduct these meetings and that resource people be available to answer questions and to explain the various proposals and principles that are being put forward, which we are seeking the public's feedback on. One of the other areas of concern that I have is that we not put forward the main proposal again to the public and say this is the main proposal and how do you feel about it. It is my impression from the public that I have dealt with, the main proposal has a lot of holes in it.

We have to be able to put forward the other two proposals that were in the document and have explanations of how the various proposals were worked. I think that the other item that is of critical concern to the public is the ratification process of the constitution. By that I mean how the vote will be held in the western Arctic in order to approve or disapprove the constitution that will be put forward. I think that this is extremely important for the Constitutional Working Group to address before the group goes to consultation. Later on in this session, Mr.

Speaker, I will be asking several questions of the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs in this regard. Thank you.

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Western Constitutional Process

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a pleasure today to represent someone who comes from one of the smaller of the two communities that I represent, Enterprise. Mr. Karl Mueller is in the gallery today.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 442-13(4): Facilitator For Constitutional Consultation Process

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be to the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs regarding the constitutional consultation process. I wonder if the Minister could tell us if there will be a facilitator along with resource individuals provided at the public meetings. Naturally, the Members of the Legislative Assembly for that constituency will be present. I

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, the Constitution Working Group office has obtained facilitators to be involved in the consultation process. There will be resource people at the meetings to answer all necessary questions. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A great concern to me is how the package, the three proposals that we have, will be presented to the public. Will there be an explanation of each of the proposals and models that were put forward in the initial document? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The facilitators held a workshop on Friday to go through the package so they become familiar with it. These are technical people who will be going into the communities to explain the package and address the concerns that have arisen regarding the package that was tabled in this House in October. We have moved beyond that particular package. There will be additional information there. The idea of the process is not to sell the package. The idea is to explain the package and the concerns and receive further feedback from the communities. Perhaps they could address the concerns at these meetings as well. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Regarding the ratification process, can the Minister enlighten us as to whether or not a decision has been made that will be put before the public for consultation as to how the constitution will be ratified?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At the end of the whole process, once we have gone through the consultation and looked at the feedback we received from communities regarding this package, we tend to revise the package. With the concerns that have developed, we will have a more refined package that will be acceptable to the people of the north. We will then go through the ratification process. We are developing some scenarios on how the ratification process will be done. That will also be presented during the consultation process. This ratification will happen hopefully by the fall.

We still have some time to further develop this process. It is important that we have a grasp on what it is we are trying to deal with here when we are asking people to approve a package we are developing. Yes, we will have information on the ratification process during the constitution process. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions, final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once the revisions have been made and the package has been redrafted, will it be placed before the Western Caucus and the Aboriginal Summit for approval and acceptance prior to it going out to the public? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is very important when we are developing this constitution process that everyone that has been involved in this process be kept up-to-date with the latest information. We mentioned in this House earlier in this session that we regard it as a rolling draft. We are developing the draft as we go through the constitution process. It is very important that we keep everybody informed as we go along. Yes, we will be notifying and informing the Western Caucus Members and the Aboriginal Summit leaders as we move through this process. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services . It is regarding the Trail Cross facility, and the state of affairs at the facility, regarding the contract itself and some recent incidents. What are the plans of the Minister, in terms of trying to make sure the well-being of the children is paramount in all of this? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am also concerned about the incident that took place at Trail Cross. Standard protocol is that we receive an incident report from the contractors detailing the specific incidents that took place. The plan would be to review the incident report with the

contractors, to ensure that proper procedure took place and try to minimize the risk of any similar incidents happening. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate how he will be doing this? Will he be sending somebody down to do an investigation or will it be dealt with by the people and staff in Fort Smith that work in that department? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have not decided on how the issue will be handled by the department at this stage. I want to see the incident report first, to review it personally, to see if there are additional requirements to pursue it further. I have not spoken to my staff on this matter yet. I have been waiting for the reports to start the process. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It seems to me, although I am not perfectly sure, there was more than one incident involved. Would the Minister commit to making this a priority issue so nothing further does occur, that this should not happen and the well-being of the children is paramount? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I certainly recognize the seriousness of the situation, because of the fact they are wards of the government in those residential treatment centres. I have asked for the report. It is in the process of being drafted now. I do not know exactly where it stands, but I will make the review of the situation a high priority issue. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for that commitment. Would the Minister also share that information with me, or as much as he can without giving me specific client information, so I may reassure the constituents in Fort Smith that are concerned as to how the matter is being handled and what kind of remedies are being contemplated? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will share as much information to the Member or any Members that are interested within the guidelines I am allowed, considering we have children in care here, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation. I addressed this earlier on, in my position as the representative of Inuvik for this Assembly, about the concerns of the Affirmative Action Policy when it comes to the Power Corporation. There is some discussion within the community as to whether or not there is an actual Affirmative Action Policy. Can the Minister inform us if there is a policy or do they follow the government's existing policy? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The public service staffing appeals regulations made pursuant to the Public Service Act and administered by the GNWT, does include the Power Corporation. The Power Corporation is required to give preference when hiring to indigenous aboriginals, indigenous non-aboriginals, resident disabled individuals, and resident women in non-traditional occupations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform us what the process is for putting out for jobs within the community for the Power Corporation?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not have the detailed information with me to answer that question. I will be happy to provide the Member with the policy of the

Corporation in writing within the next couple of days. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The concern comes out of a possible situation where casuals are hired and the position is continually renewed under a casual basis. When the Minister is getting this information, can he address the issue of casuals and how long a casual can stay in a position before it is deemed to be a full-time position? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will certainly be prepared to provide the Member with that information. One of the things I should mention, the Power Corporation does have a total of 45.6 percent of its employee force who qualify under the Affirmative Action Policy. I think the Corporation has done a good job, in comparison to other agencies in this government, at achieving a representative level in the work-force. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think those numbers are excellent numbers when you look at some of the other statistics we have as a government. My concern comes in the area of positions that are turned over. Within a small community, you can have a position that turns over and seems to stay away from hiring on long-term northerners, whether they are aboriginal or not. While the Minister is looking at this, will he inform me if there is any difference in the GNWT's policy and the Power Corporation's policy? Thank you.

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Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have taken the Member's concerns very seriously and have directed the Power Corporation to provide me with the appropriate information to respond to the Member. I will be happy to provide the information he has requested in a timely manner. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 445-13(4): Core Funding To Tl'oondih Healing Society

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services . It is in relation to a motion that was passed, Committee Motion 6-13(3) regarding core funding to the Tl'oondih Healing Society, which was carried. My question to the Minister is the motion clearly states for the Minister and Executive Council to immediately enter into negotiations with the Tl'oondih Healing Society to provide core funding to the society at the same level provided to other institutions providing that service. Also, there have been petitions passed in this House and a lot of debate on this particular issue.

I would like to ask the Minister what has been done in relation to these motions and these petitions?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the honourable Member knows, staff have sat down with the staff of the Tl'oondih Healing Society to try to work out some arrangements. It has not resulted in any agreement to provide any core funding for the Tl'oondih Healing Society, as I have indicated in this House on numerous occasions in answering the honourable Members in this area.

We are moving the funding for residential treatment centres out to the regions and giving the regions and the communities more direct input into how those dollars are allocated and, in that same vein, how those dollars would flow to some of the residential treatment programs that we have in the Northwest Territories, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To ensure that the long-term liability of the Tl'oondih Healing Society continues, what kind of assurances can the Minister give to ensure that there will be a Tl'oondih Healing Society down the road in the next three to five years?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot give any assurances on the future operations of the Tl'oondih Healing Society. For that matter, in respect to some of our residential treatment centres that this government finances, we have had to withdraw some funding to one of our residential treatment centres because of the fact that there is a vacancy in the occupancy levels of those facilities, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to the comments by the Minister, could he tell me exactly directly or indirectly will they have access to funds for alcohol and drug programs for the Inuvik region?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would say that, yes, they would have access to funds through the regional health and social services boards that we will be financing for residential treatment programs, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The whole idea of funding a particular program is that this is the only family healing program in Canada at the present time which is structured to deal with families and not just individuals. Because this is a unique program in the Northwest Territories, would the Minister make an attempt to ensure there is some mechanism there that when you are dealing with family issues in regards to social services that they do consider that there is a program in the north to look at those particular things. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would take it that the regional boards would take that into consideration. They would take into consideration not just the individual's needs, but that of his or her family as well in trying to design any treatment program that would be appropriate for their needs, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 446-13(4): Non-medical Escorts For Elders

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It must be Health and Social Services day. Mr. Speaker, no, I am not prepared to do that arbitrarily. We recognize that, particularly in the area of medical travel, we are under fiscal pressures because of the fact that we have historically had increased demands on medical travel for treatment.

What we have done, as all Members know is, given the accountability and the authority to regional boards to set their own policies recognizing -- and I am glad that the honourable Member in his statement acknowledged that the Keewatin board recognize the sensitivity of the one example of somebody that needed to have an exception to the medical travel policy to allow him to be with his spouse. That is why we have made the decision to give boards that autonomy, so they can recognize those exceptions that might need to be addressed on a case-by-case basis, Mr. Speaker.

But it would not be fair to have a blanket coverage of all escorts because of the fact that we do not have the financial resources to meet all the needs, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, our priority is to provide medical transportation to patients, the people that require the services, the medical attention to treat their needs. Having said that, we recognize there are some sensitivities when you are dealing with unilingual individuals, particularly our elders. Nobody likes to see them be discomforted or put into situations that are not acceptable because of the fact they are unilingual.

So what we try to impress upon boards and their travel personnel is to have not so much a dedicated escort available, but certainly somebody that is bilingual that could accompany the individual from their point of origin to their point of destination so that at least there will be somebody that is bilingual that can be able to assist anybody that may require some assistance, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister confirm whether this non-medical escort policy is a GNWT policy or if it varies from board to board or region to region? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as some of our community empowerment initiatives, we are giving boards the autonomy and the authority to set their own policies. Having said that, our funding mechanism does not allow for escort travels in the budget allocations for the dollars for medical travel. If a board were to, for example, decide that they wanted to pay for escorts across the board for individuals, they would not have all the funding from the Department of Health and Social Services to do that.

It would impact on their budgets and they would have to make some reductions in a different area to accommodate those needs that they chose as a priority for spending, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is it fair to say and can the Minister confirm that indeed it is totally up to the individual boards to make these decisions on escort matters? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of FMBS. It concerns leases and the leases of housing units. Mr. Speaker, there is quite a lot of concern in my riding regarding availability of housing. The new policy that has been formulated by this government, Plan 2000, will not address those current needs of social housing units today and the long-term leases of this government in those leases. I wonder if the Minister of FMBS could update this House on the status of the leases? Are we going to renegotiate them? What is going to happen here? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it is a three-part question, if I can answer it that way. I have already said in the House that, in co-operation with my colleague Mr. Arlooktoo , existing leases that we have for staff units that are no longer required, we are prepared to transfer over to the Housing Corporation along with the financial resources for utilization by June, for utilization in the social housing. I think that is the one side of things where we are already fiscally committed to leases that we cannot get out of.

I think the second issue in that is what we are going to do with the huge shortfall in social housing? Is the territorial government prepared to, I believe my colleague is saying, purchase or make arrangements for leases for social housing that are under review right now. I believe some of that is already happening in my colleague's riding in Iqaluit and certainly we need to take a look at the political and the economic ramifications of an extension to that program. We are currently reviewing that and hopefully will be able to have a much clearer position by the May and June session. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the review the Minister talked about and hopefully will come forward in the May session, at that time will Mr. Todd be tabling it in the House for discussion, will we be looking at it as a public document? Will we be going back to the stakeholders and other people who are looking for houses and also the people that this government is leasing from? We have to realize that the capitalization of these residential combinations have been paid for and financed out of some of these business people. That is a major error.

I wonder when the review is complete, will they be bringing it forward as a document? Will they have it tabled as a document? Will they have it tabled as a discussion within the House?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think if I can just raise the question again so I get the right answer. The question I think my colleague is asking is, is the GNWT going to expand the fact that we are purchasing housing through leases for people who require them in social housing who do not have the ability to pay the rent. I think that is the question. Am I correct? Because of the shortage and the fact there is overcrowding, I know that precedents have been established in Iqaluit, as my colleague Mr. Dent says.

We are concerned that when we do this kind of thing, which is necessary where there is significant overcrowding, there is a concern about the long-term fiscal costs. It is not a question of bringing the paper forward. It is a question of both myself and Mr. Dent and Mr. Arlooktoo sitting down and trying to determine what are the long-term ramifications of continuing with purchasing leases from the private sector for the short-fall that we have in social housing.

I do not think it is the total solution to the difficult housing problem we have, but it may well be a partial solution because there is a limitation to the fiscal resources that Mr. Dent has within the social envelope. We are certainly looking

at it. As I said, precedents have been established, but we need to ensure we can afford it if there is going to be a significant expansion of it.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, while we are on this area, one of the concerns that I have and I have raised it a couple of times as it has been brought forward by my constituency to the Minister, is the privatization of the leases for the same housing. On the record here, which is the staff housing which is identified for the leasing of properties that are managed. I wonder if the Minister would tell me about this contract. When is he going to let that contract?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

My apologies, Mr. Speaker, there seems to be a slight glitch in my hearing and I did not quite catch the question.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question was concerning the privatization of the property management services that has already been let. I think it still falls into the same area because, in one instance, we have all staff housing transferred from FMBS and some of this has been sold off and made available so that we can get people out of social housing. I think there is a tie in here. When is he going to announce the privatization of property management services, which is under FMBS, in my riding?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is, as always, a good question from my colleague from the land of milk and honey, Iqaluit. The reason there has been a slight delay in the expansion of this privatization initiative is primarily because we have had such resounding response to our second round of house sales. The property management and the costs associated with that will be contingent on how many houses are left over and how many leases are in place.

I am fairly confident that, within the next 60 to 90 days, we will be able to conclude all the housing that we think we can conclude, then look forward to advertising and tendering property management right across the territorial framework, because we will be clear as to what properties we have and what properties we do not have. That is the primary reason for the fact that we have not moved sooner on this initiative.

At the end of the day, we are really hoping that the houses we have to look after will be minimal as our employees will have purchased the houses or local groups, as they are currently doing now, will have purchased the houses on their behalf. I want to assure my colleague we will move quickly as soon as we have concluded our initiative on the sale of the staff housing. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it may have sounded like two different questions there, but it was not. I am just trying to get around to my final supplementary and that is on the privatization of property management services which includes the leases of some of the properties we are leasing. My question is on the privatization of property management services. The leases that we currently hold for those social housing units, are those entailed with this property management?

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Thank you. Again, just to indicate to the Members where there is a requirement for clarification, I do not include that as supplementary. Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I would hope the property management tender we will put out will in fact include the leases the government pays for. In other words, we will have the private sector manage the leases on any surplus housing the government currently pays for. For example, the pilot project in the Keewatin now looks after all the leases, looks after all the maintenance and looks after the collection of the rents from the individual tenants. We are certainly looking for an expansion of that program.

I look forward to be able to move quickly, before spring of this year, to conclude it right across the territorial framework, so that government can be out of the business of housing and put in the private sector where it belongs. Thank you.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During my Member's statement, I stated that I would be raising a question with regard to small businesses in my community. I was talking about a construction contract that is going to go on in Clyde River. My question is to the Minister of Public Works and Services regarding the construction company that is bidding for the contract. I wanted to find out if he has an update on this. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The request for a negotiated contract was received by the government some time ago from the community and from the MLA. Cabinet, after reviewing the proposal, decided to support a negotiated contract. One of the conditions we have to follow in the Nunavut area is a 21-day waiting period where we advertise to the general public and to other companies that we do intend to contract through a negotiated process. During this

21-day waiting period, if another Inuit-owned company expresses any interest in getting the contract, the negotiated contract is cancelled. Then we go to the competitive process. For this particular contract in Clyde River, I had heard unofficially there had been another company that was interested. I have since checked into that and there has been no official request from any other company so far and, with a few days left to go, there is no other interest expressed. We will be negotiating with this company in the next week or so.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Honourable Mr. Arlooktoo for his answer with regards to the people who are bidding for the contract in Clyde River. They are from Clyde River and they are local people. I am proud of the fact they can receive help from the Minister, Goo Arlooktoo . Can he tell me if the local company of Clyde River can be given some answer to my question? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, I cannot give a definite answer as to the exact date when this contract will get started. As I stated earlier, we will wait for about ten more days. If no other people or other company comes forward to bid for this contract, we will work with them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Transportation . (Translation ends) ....access road contracted before the budget for access road was formed? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I did not quite catch what the honourable Member's question is. It lost something in the translation there. Thank you.

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Levi Barnabas

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will repeat my question. Were the communities which requested an access road consulted before the budget for access roads was formed? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government has a Community Access Road Policy and all the superintendents in the regions have a copy of this document. I could provide that document to the honourable Members here, so they have a clear idea of how this policy works. According to the policy, there is a process in place that communities have the initiative to provide a proposal working along with the Department of Transportation officials in the field. This proposal then moves forward through the process. Yes, communities are supposed to be consulted on the access road program through our field people in the Department of Transportation. Thank you.

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Levi Barnabas

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. How many communities have requested an access road? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this Community Access Road Program is a very popular program. It started out with a very small budget and, over the last few years, we have increased that because of the popularity of it. It is a very good program for the communities to provide access into the hunting areas and into tourist areas. There is a lot of interest in it. Most of the communities in the north are interested in the program. We have only a limited amount of dollars in the program therefore, as I said earlier, it is based on a first come, first served basis.

Those that are in the program right now are being funded and there are others that are not. I do not have the exact number of which communities have applied, but I could get that information for the honourable Member. Thank you.

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Levi Barnabas

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when the Minister visited my constituency in the High Arctic, he mentioned there was funding available for access roads. After the cuts made to eliminate the deficit, I understand there is only one community that has future year, anticipated funding available for access roads. Will the Minister confirm the program for access roads is to continue? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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