Budget, Oral Questions — 23 November 1993 (12th Assembly, 4th Session, pp. 85–125)

1993-11-23, 12th Assembly 4th Session, pp. 85–125

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Budget, Oral Questions — 23 November 1993 (12th Assembly, 4th Session, pp. 85–125)

1993-11-23, 12th Assembly 4th Session, pp. 85–125

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Debates of Nov. 23rd, 1993

This is page numbers 85 - 125 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was health .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Violence Paper, Declaration Of Zero Tolerance And Gender Equality Review Response

Environmental Rights Act 1991-92 Annual Report

Heritage Policies

Minister's Absence From The House

Chronology Of Events And Appreciation To Staff

Medical Examination User-fees For Seniors

Alternative Uses Of New Legislature Building

Congratulating Mrs. Dora Grandjambe

Member's Statement Re Appreciation To Alberta Government For Swan Hills Incinerator

Inmates' Right To Vote

Congratulating Honourable John Todd On Devolution Efforts

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Criteria For Assigning Ministers' Portfolios

Consideration Of Workloads In Assigning Portfolios

Cabinet Assignments And Cabinet Workloads

Categories Of Ministers, Juniors And Seniors

Details Of Ministerial Travel

Interpreters/translators - Policy On Provision Of Service

Alcohol And Drug Board Of Management

Status Of Liquor Inspection, Iqaluit

NWT Workers' Training Fund - Eligibility For Uic

Cabinet Approval Of Water/sewer Subsidy Program

Discontinuation Of Family Allowance In Baffin South

Employment Opportunities In Mining - Department's Plans

Percentage Allotted To Northern Firms Under The Bip

WCB Outstanding Appeals

Status Of Access To Information Legislation

Relocation Of Hall Beach Power Plant

Student Drop-out Rate In The Nwt

Minister's Attendance At Turnover Of Water Treatment Plant, Fort Providence

Assistance For Missing Person Search, Arviat

Periodontist Services In The Nwt

Extension/renewal Of Evergreen Forestry Contract

Status Of Rcmp Special Constable Training In The Nwt

Government Assistance To Neptune Resources Mine Property

Written Question 11-12(4): Policy And Funds For Missing Persons

Written Question 12-12(4): Licensed Premises In Iqaluit And Yellowknife

Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

Return To Written Question 5-12(4): Town Of Iqaluit Social Services Operation Budget

Committee Report 4-12(4): Committee Follow-up On The Department Of Health's Response To Recommendations Contained In Committee Report 18-12(3) Tabled On March 24, 1993

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Setting Of Sitting Hours By Speaker

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Sessional Statement

To Adopt Recommendation 4

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 85

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 10-12(4): Violence Paper, Declaration Of Zero Tolerance And Gender Equality Review Response

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 85

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, later today, I will table three documents. I am tabling them at the same time because they are all closely related.

The first is called "Building Strategy for...

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Minister's Statement 10-12(4): Violence Paper, Declaration Of Zero Tolerance And Gender Equality Review Response

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 85

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

This House will now come back to order. I would like to apologize to the Minister for stopping your speech. Would you continue, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 10-12(4): Violence Paper, Declaration Of Zero Tolerance And Gender Equality Review Response

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 85

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

So, we'll roll the clock back again.

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Minister's Statement 10-12(4): Violence Paper, Declaration Of Zero Tolerance And Gender Equality Review Response

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 85

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, later today, I will table three documents. I am tabling them at the same time because they are all closely related.

The first is called "Building Strategy for Dealing with Violence in the Northwest Territories". The second is a proposed draft of a declaration by Legislative Assembly on family violence. The third is the response of the Department of Justice to the gender equality review report.

There's a growing awareness across the north and across this country, that violence against women and children is a plague in our society. In the north, the incidence is so high that it deserves to be recognized as one of the major barriers to building a healthy northern society.

The Standing Committee on Finance recognized the importance of this issue. That is why they recommended in their review of the 1992-93 estimates, that the Department of Justice, on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories, seriously address the issue of violence in the north.

It is my hope that the document, Building a Strategy for Dealing with Violence, will encourage more discussion of this important issue in this Assembly. I look forward to the opportunity to discuss this matter at greater length.

The document looks at the extent and nature of violence in the north, and discusses elements of a broad approach to dealing with violence.

The document examines how violence can never be ended merely by escalating the response of the criminal justice system. The justice system can and must be improved, but one of the major points of this document is that response to violence requires the involvement of all members of society. Change will come about when all of us assume a degree of responsibility for this problem.

Leadership in assuming responsibility for facing this problem can be shown by Members of this House. In these days of increased public cynicism toward politicians and the political process, it is crucial that the public be able to look up to the Members of this House as individuals who are accountable, who take their responsibilities seriously and who provide a positive example. In short, that we, the Members of this House, demonstrate leadership.

This brings me to the second document to be tabled today. It is a proposed declaration of principle on family violence. We are asking each Member of the Legislative Assembly to consider formally adopting the principle of zero tolerance to violence and committing, personally, to getting rid of family violence by the year 2000. In addition, we suggest that leaders throughout all of northern society be invited then to make this commitment.

This declaration of commitment is particularly important because the majority of people in positions of power, authority and trust are men, and it is men, with rare exceptions, who are the abusers.

The declaration will provide this Assembly with a way of indicating that it is serious about family violence. We can lead the way, and we must, as leaders, encourage communities and other organizations to follow our example and embrace zero tolerance to violence.

The elimination of family violence requires a wide range of actions but at the end of the day, ending family violence requires changing our attitudes which allow it to continue.

The third document is a response to the report of the special advisor on gender equality. The report entitled, The Justice House, was submitted in May 1992, and tabled in the House the following month. It was discussed in committee of the whole last December.

The report contains 90 recommendations on how to improve the administration of justice to make it more responsive to the needs of women. As women come into contact with the justice system most often as victims of violence, this is the focus of many of the recommendations of the special advisor.

The document contains a general response and action plan and a listing of what is being done with each of the recommendations. Appendix B to this document contains a recommendation by recommendation response to the report.

Within the constraints imposed by the fiscal context in which we find ourselves, I am happy to say that we have made some headway in addressing the recommendations in the report.

Many of the recommendations concern matters that are beyond the responsibility of the Department of Justice and we continue to work with other agencies to encourage the implementation of the recommendations. Within the department, a number of legislative changes have been put on the table. In addition, the maintenance enforcement program is now better resourced. And we continue to look for ways to address the needs of victims by supporting the provision of services at the community level. For example, an interagency community-based victims' services group has recently set up shop in Iqaluit with assistance from the department.

Of course, much remains to be done, and we will continue our efforts to improve the administration of justice so that it better serves the needs of everyone.

Mr. Speaker, whether we are talking about a strategy to deal with violence or about making the justice system better, it comes down to a question of respect, respect for oneself and for others. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 10-12(4): Violence Paper, Declaration Of Zero Tolerance And Gender Equality Review Response

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 86

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 11-12(4): Environmental Rights Act 1991-92 Annual Report

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 86

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, as Minister of Renewable Resources , I'd like to table, at the appropriate time today, the 1991-92 Environmental Rights Act annual report. The report includes descriptions of all applications, prosecutions, actions and convictions under the act for 1991 and 1992.

In the first two years following implementation of the Environmental Rights Act, the Government of the Northwest Territories has received one request for access to information and two requests for investigations. The Department of Renewable Resources, in conjunction with the Department of Justice and Municipal and Community Affairs, provided a response to the application for access to information on the Yellowknife forward operating location.

The Department of Renewable Resources has completed the investigation into sulphur dioxide and arsenic emissions from Giant Yellowknife Mines. The report of the findings of this investigation was released to the public in July, 1993.

The other request for an investigation was not accepted, as the request was not made in accordance with the requirements of the act.

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Renewable Resources, in cooperation with other departments, coordinated the development of procedures for the implementation of the act. The procedures clarify the steps in applying for and administering access to information and/or investigation requests. The procedures are available in all MLA constituency offices and at the Department of Renewable Resources office. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 11-12(4): Environmental Rights Act 1991-92 Annual Report

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 86

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Minister's Statement 12-12(4): Heritage Policies

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 86

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Community organizations play an essential role in preserving, portraying and promoting the heritage of the Northwest Territories. To ensure that assistance is provided to community heritage groups in a consistent, fair and equitable manner, and to help maintain the cultural heritage of the Northwest Territories, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment has recently developed four policies.

The heritage services policy defines the heritage programs administered by Education, Culture and Employment and the relationship between the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre and community-based heritage programs.

The Northwest Territories archives policy provides direction for the administration of the NWT archives, particularly the management of non-government records.

The collections disposal policy allows for appropriate and sensitive disposal of government-owned library and heritage collections, including disposal through repatriation. The heritage grants and contributions policy establishes the criteria and standards necessary to assess applications for financial assistance, equitably.

Mr. Speaker, these four policies have recently been approved by Cabinet and I am providing Members of the Assembly with copies for their information. I believe these policies provide a clear public statement of government's commitment to heritage in the Northwest Territories.

In concluding, Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the Standing Committee on Finance for raising the matter of the policies. I hope the new policies will be responsive to their concerns about a lack of policy to respond to the matter of heritage in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 12-12(4): Heritage Policies

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 86

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Madam Premier .

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Minister's Statement 13-12(4): Minister's Absence From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 87

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I would like to notify that the Honourable Don Morin will be absent from the House today and possibly tomorrow to attend meetings with the federal Minister of Housing . Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 13-12(4): Minister's Absence From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 87

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements.

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Chronology Of Events And Appreciation To Staff

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 87

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I sincerely regret the events of the past few days. It is unfortunate that my explanation of the events have been interpreted to mean I intentionally misled this House. Mr. Speaker, I, at no time, had this intention, but I realize I did make some mistakes in dates in reviewing my calendar. However, since my colleagues feel that my words do convey the impression that I was not telling the truth, I must accept the consequences.

I hope that the tabling of the chronology of events will assist all Members in understanding what actually transpired. My main concern is to see that a reasonable solution is found for the problems in Iqaluit that initiated this whole discussion, and any other issues can now take a back seat. I look forward to working with the ordinary Members in addressing the concerns of our citizens and I am happy that I can now bring forward concerns on behalf of my constituents in the public forum. Today is a new challenge.

Mr. Speaker, could I ask for an extension of time?

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Chronology Of Events And Appreciation To Staff

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 87

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Yes.

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Chronology Of Events And Appreciation To Staff

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 87

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Mr. Speaker, I would like to say thank you to the members of my staff for the dedication and support they have shown me, especially Miss Michele Irving, my executive secretary, Miss Cathy Ayalik, my executive assistant and Anna Koonoo, my executive assistant trainee. I would also like to thank the staff in the departments of Municipal and Community Affairs and Renewable Resources who have worked so hard, not only on my behalf, but on behalf of all the people of the Northwest Territories.

In particular, I would like to thank the Deputy Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Joe Handley; and, Mr. Al Menard, Deputy Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. I very much appreciate your dedication and your good counsel. I would also like to thank the many political staff who have served me so well over the past years, starting with Laurie Nowakowski, Vivian Squires, John Stephenson, Ernie Comerford and Anne Todd. Also the deputy ministers whom I had the pleasure of working in the past, Mr. Hal Gerein, Mr. Andrew Gamble, Mr. Jim Bourque, Mr. Art Sorensen, and Mr. Dave Porter. Qujannamiik.

I will carry with me the memories of many good things we have been able to accomplish by working together for the common

good of our people, the people of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 87

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Thebacha .

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Medical Examination User-fees For Seniors

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 87

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as a Member I am concerned about the policy that was developed last June and announced by the Department of Health. The policy I'm referring to, Mr. Speaker, is with regard to medical examination on user-fees for seniors. The policy institutes a user-pay system for annual medical check-ups. This policy, once again, is setting up the Department of Health to fail in considering long-term ramifications of their policies in favour of short-term gain.

My concern, Mr. Speaker, is for the long-term effects that this policy will have on the health and well-being of our elders. Our elders are one of our most valuable resources and have a substantial role to play in shaping the future of the territories.

This government is quick to assure the people of the Northwest Territories that our elders are valued, respected and their voices heard. Yet, at a life stage when accessible health care is the most important, the Department of Health is refusing to provide medical examinations free of cost unless the individual has waited at least two years since the last check-up. This is not acceptable.

Mr. Speaker, in my observation, elders in the Northwest Territories are already often reluctant to seek medical advice. Serious risks to life and health, such as lung cancer or heart disease, remain undetected because our senior citizens hesitate to report a concern and to use the resources of our health care system until the symptoms become too painful to ignore. Seniors do not want to be a burden.

Although seniors are simply not aware of potential risks, there is no doubt that seniors will much more likely hesitate when they know the department will levy a fee for a medical check-up. While I understand that this fee may be waived if the elders can present sufficient grounds, this should not be their concern. There are elders who are even reluctant to provide sufficient grounds due to their pride.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue with my statement.

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Medical Examination User-fees For Seniors

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 87

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to continue. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Member for Thebacha .

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Medical Examination User-fees For Seniors

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 87

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you. This approach by the Department of Health sends a strong message to our elders that their health care is not a priority. It is also likely to cost this government more in the long run through the treatment of illnesses that are not presented at the first opportunity.

It is also very disturbing that the Department of Health does not appear to have any appreciation for the health education benefits that elders receive through an accessible health care system. The education and interpersonal support provided to elders in my constituency has been very important to them, and both the emotional and physical health benefits are immeasurable. Many elders are worried now that this will all be lost.

I fear by charging a fee to those in the Northwest Territories whose health is most fragile, the Department of Health is truly risking the well-being of those upon whom we depend for advice and guidance, and to whom we owe a great debt. Surely our elders deserve more from us and from this government. I'm requesting that the Minister of Health reconsider this ill-conceived policy. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 88

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Alternative Uses Of New Legislature Building

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 88

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We've been in this Assembly now for a few days. Like anything that's new, it takes a bit of getting used to. It's like having a pair of new shoes, it takes a while for you to break them in.

My statement today, Mr. Speaker, is to recommend to the Speaker that he recommends ways in which this new building could be used during times the Assembly is not in session. Clearly, no one wishes to have us compete with the private sector in the use of space, but there are many things that could be done here in both summer and in winter. Many of us have viewed this capital site for the museum, the visitors' centre and the Assembly as a natural focal point for the capital city. But, far more important than that, Mr. Speaker, of far greater significance, is that this is a reflection of what brings Northwest Territorial residents together.

I'd like, Mr. Speaker, at the very earliest opportunity to establish a volunteer advisory committee to develop some policies and guidelines for a fuller use of the building, but in keeping with the dignity of its function as a legislature. This was done in the case of the museum many years ago, long before it was occupied. When it was completed, there were clear policies on access, donations, acquisitions, public use, exhibitions and so on. The Speaker shouldn't be required to make decisions on the use of the facility without some guidelines and policies.

There are, I believe, members of the building society and many people who routinely travel in and out of Yellowknife who would be very happy, I'm sure, so assist the Speaker on this matter. It should not be left simply to the MSB to make these decisions. Maybe this group could advise the board, but it should be people who have been here a long time, who come in and out of the city and, at no expense to the public, would be prepared to advise you on how we could make better use of this wonderful place. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 88

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Congratulating Mrs. Dora Grandjambe

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 88

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, as a Member of this Legislature for the Sahtu I'd like to recognize today, Mrs. Dora Grandjambe who is the North Slavey interpreter/translator with the language bureau. She is the first Dene to be certified by the Canadian Translators and Interpreters Council. This is a federation of provincial and territorial organizations formed in 1970 to represent the profession at the federal and international levels. This federation is also a member of the International Federation of Translators.

---Applause

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Congratulating Mrs. Dora Grandjambe

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 88

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .

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Member's Statement Re Appreciation To Alberta Government For Swan Hills Incinerator

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 88

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, for some time, we in the Northwest Territories have had trouble with the issue of hazardous waste. Rather, I should say, trouble with what to do with them after we've finished using them or, at times, with where they've been created. This issue is one which is territorial-wide and not only in the industrialized communities such as Yellowknife, Pine Point and Hay River, but wherever things such as PCBs and other chemicals are used.

We have had few choices over the years as to what to do with them. Either we've had to recycle them, had to store them or else had to destroy them in some way. Unfortunately, the only option we had was to store them, until quite recently. Thanks to the diligence of this government and particularly the Department of Renewable Resources, now we have a solution in sight through the Swan Hills hazardous waste incinerator that was built some time ago and only updated recently to handle quite a variety and amount of hazardous waste.

In September of this year, the Alberta government announced that the Swan Hills treatment facility will accept all hazardous waste from the Northwest Territories, including PCBs, on an intermediate basis. This is good news, Mr. Speaker, because it gives us an opportunity to get rid of the hazardous waste we currently have in storage at very little cost to us, and in an environmentally safe manner.

I want to take this opportunity to say thank you to the Alberta government on behalf of the people I represent, in particular Premier Klein who was the former Minister of the Environment and the one who this government negotiated with on this matter. I also wish to thank the Honourable Brian Evans, the current Minister of the Environment, whose responsibility this comes under. This is indeed good news for us and we will certainly take advantage of it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Member's Statement Re Appreciation To Alberta Government For Swan Hills Incinerator

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 89

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

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Inmates' Right To Vote

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 89

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Thursday, November 19, 1993, I gave a Member's statement on the issue of the unconstitutionality of a

section of the Elections Act which prohibits inmates from voting. Today I would like to take the opportunity to speak on the issue of what I believe legislation should do to remedy this problem.

Mr. Speaker, now is the time for the House to address the issue of inmates voting. The courts have already addressed this issue by ruling that an absolute prohibition is unconstitutional. Mr. Speaker, the honourable Dennis Patterson stated on July 3, 1991, in response to my motion to refer this issue to the courts that we do not need judges to do politicians' work. With all due respect to my learned friend, the judges have done a portion of our work by ruling equivalent legislation unconstitutional. Now is the time for us to finish this job by considering various legislative options.

Mr. Speaker, I do not support the idea that every inmate should have the right to vote. Voting is a precious right in a democratic society. It is not a right which should be automatic to every citizen. The right to vote should also not be automatically or thoughtlessly taken away. The difficulty I have with our current legislation is that it prohibits all inmates from voting, regardless of the length of their jail sentence or the circumstances of their crime. This type of blanket prohibition without thought or rationale is what I, and the Supreme Court of Canada, found offensive.

Mr. Speaker, I believe that inmates convicted of the most serious offence against society and people in society should lose the right to vote. As my learned friend, Brian Lewis , stated on July 3, 1991, once you have broken the conventional laws of our society, you lose your right. I do believe, however, that the laws of the right to vote should only be for the most serious offences. It simply is not possible to compare long-term prison...

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Mr. Gargan , your time has expired.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to get unanimous consent to continue my statement.

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Ludy Pudluk

The Member is asking for unanimous consent to continue. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Gargan , please proceed.

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Inmates' Right To Vote

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, honourable Members. It simply is not possible to compare long-term prison inmates to those inmates who are in prison for a very brief period of time. Yet, under the current legislation, both long-term and short-term inmates, regardless of the differences of their offenses, lose their right to vote.

Mr. Speaker, the federal government, in the most recent election, allowed those inmates who are jailed for two years or less to vote in the recent election. Inmates with sentences greater than two years are not allowed to vote. I believe that the federal government's approach on this issue is rational and reasonable and that their approach will withstand the scrutiny of the courts.

Mr. Speaker, two years ago Members stated that the courts should not deal with this issue, that this issue was a matter for this House to decide. I urge us all to have a debate in the near future on this issue that so many Members called for two years ago. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Congratulating Honourable John Todd On Devolution Efforts

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Page 89

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I certainly believe in giving credit where credit is due and I want to just simply acknowledge the tremendous progress that has been made toward finally devolving some decision-making authority and some flexibility to the regions by the Honourable John Todd in the short time that he's occupied the portfolios of Economic Development and Tourism and Transportation.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, I've been urging this kind of decentralization of decision-making authority, so that regional staff can deal with regional problems in a flexible way, for many years. I hate to say it, but the trend even while I was in Cabinet, seemed to have been toward bringing things closer to the chest and bringing decision-making to headquarters. Mr. Todd , in a few short weeks with the support of his deputies, has moved the trend the other way and I want to acknowledge that and I want to congratulate him for that in both Economic Development and Tourism, and Transportation.

Now, let's hope that the other departments will follow suit so that regional staff can deal with regional problems in a unique and flexible way, without having to run to Yellowknife every time they want to ask permission to go to the bathroom. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

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Return To Question 36-12(4): Reason For Disruption Of Ferry Service

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 89

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Whitford yesterday, regarding the Fort Providence ferry. The Fort Providence ferry was taken out

of service on Friday, November 19 at 4:45 pm. Operation resumed at 2:00 am the following morning and is continuing, despite the extremely low water. The low water level has been caused by an ice dam upstream of the crossing which is preventing the flow of water into the river. At places, gravel bars are beginning to show through the surface. Load limits on the ferry have been reduced to 45 kilograms and may drop to 25 kilograms later today if the water level does not improve. Low water conditions are common at this time of the year, although this year they appear to be more extreme than usual.

Intermittent disruptions can be expected to occur, both from low water conditions and from the presence of floating ice. The department expects that the ferry will operate into January, by which time the ice bridge will be constructed and capable of carrying full loads.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Page 90

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Pollard .

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Further Return To Question 39-12(4): School Bussing Policy

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 90

John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to a question asked by Mr. Arngna'naaq on November 22, 1993, concerning the date of introduction for supplementary appropriation covering bus funding. Mr. Speaker, the additional contribution funding of $268,000 to school boards for this year, for increased costs associated with student transportation, is included in Supplementary Appropriation, No. 2, 1993-94. This supplementary appropriation is presently being reviewed by the Standing Committee on Finance. This additional funding in 1993-94 will permit the application of the bussing policy across the territories, according to a consistent set of criteria. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 90

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Ms. Mike .

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Further Return To Question 14-12(4): Alcohol And Drug Services Board Of Management Appointments

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 90

Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on November 19, 1993, about the date the alcohol and drug board of management was dissolved. The decision to eliminate the board was made on April 13, 1992. The last board meeting was held on August 12, 1992.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Page 90

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Whitford .

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Question 46-12(4): Criteria For Assigning Ministers' Portfolios

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 90

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question that I would like to direct to the Premier , and perhaps it springs from the fortunate events that came up in the last day, since yesterday. Madam Premier has had to reassign portfolios and workloads to the remaining Ministers in her Cabinet. A task that the Premier has had to undertake several times in the past 24 months and I and other Members would like to know or question, what factors does the Government Leader take into account for the assigning of Cabinet portfolios?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 90

The Deputy Speaker

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 90

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the individual, the individual's knowledge, capability and past experience in certain areas, whether or not it was with this Legislative Assembly, so there's a number of issues that are there. They are varied. Thank you.

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Page 90

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

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Question 47-12(4): Consideration Of Workloads In Assigning Portfolios

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 90

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to follow up on that question to the Premier . Could the Premier perhaps advise the House in assigning Cabinet portfolios, is one of the things that she considers as being important or ideal, that the workload should be equalized among Ministers?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 90

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 90

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, it depends on what you call equal, if you mean various portfolios to each individual. There are all kinds of factors that take place. Because I work with individuals on a day to day basis, I can determine whether a person can handle a little bit more, a little bit less. So, I suppose the word "equal" would be a subjective word that I would use. I know I work with these people every day and I know that certain people can carry a little bit more. Some people have had long experience. For example, Mr. Todd , who was with MACA years ago, has intimate knowledge of how it was set up...

---Laughter

So you consider these types of things. I think some people have more experience because of an opportunity in the past. Thank you.

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Page 90

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Dent .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 90

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Premier has given us a bit of an outline of what she considers to be the aspects she looks at in determining whether an individual can handle the job or not. Could she perhaps also tell the House what

factors she considers in determining what the demands are for each of the portfolios?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 91

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 91

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, it is difficult to say. Sometimes if you have experience, the demand is not so much. Experience has a lot to do with issues and with ability to jump in and take over. It depends on how long those portfolios have to be carried. There are some natural interests and background, but mostly from just acknowledging what people are doing on a day to day basis, along with the ability and background to take over some of the responsibilities.

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Page 91

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Dent .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 91

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

I thank the Premier for her answer, but she has really concentrated on the capabilities of the people. What I am really asking for is, in her process for determining which portfolios to assign to a particular Minister, is there an assessment done for the workload for a department? Does she have any criteria for determining the workload for departments?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 91

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, certainly from my background and knowing the different departments, I assess what is going on in the departments. I don't know if I have covered every nook and cranny, but I have a basic background on almost all of the departments on what is involved, what some of the major and current issues are and the workloads. There are many types of things that have to be fit into a decision like that. Certainly, if a person has a long background in a certain area, it helps to understand what those issues are. Thank you.

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Page 91

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Question 48-12(4): Cabinet Assignments And Cabinet Workloads

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 91

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

When I was a young man, Mr. Speaker, I played a lot of team sports. Everyone on the team had to pull their weight. If some people didn't do very much, they were always in trouble and the coach always got on their case. My question to you, Madam Premier , since you have agreed there is an unequal division of labour, how do you manage a team when clearly you have more confidence in some Members than in others?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I didn't say there was an unequal division of power and I do not have less confidence in one person over the other. That is the Member's statement. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 91

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Looking at Cabinet assignments today and preparing the workloads and budgets for which various Ministers are responsible, would the Government Leader agree that the present workload is not balanced and equal?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, in my life time I very seldom have found life balanced or equal. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 91

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

With due respect to the Premier , I am not asking how balanced or unbalanced her own personal life is.

---Laughter

---Applause

My question was, would the Premier agree that given the workload, the budgets, the different people responsible, would she not agree that the present division of workloads is not balanced and equal? Would she not agree with that? Some Members have lots and others have less. Would she agree that it is not a balanced and equal division of work and budgets?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Well, I suppose it is the degree of pain you have in your portfolio. Yes, some people have more work than other people. That is true. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

In the specific division of responsibilities as a result of having to redistribute work, and since some already busy Ministers are being asked to take on more, would the Premier explain why these Ministers were given more responsibility than what they already have?

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Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I have already answered that question. Thank you.

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Question 49-12(4): Categories Of Ministers, Juniors And Seniors

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 92

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The federal government recently announced their Cabinets and they have some secretaries of state or junior Ministers. In your answers to several questions before, you talked about the experiences of your Cabinet Ministers, not only in this House, but their past experiences in their private lives. We have cases of some Ministers who have a lot of experience in this House and also in aboriginal organizations and some who have a lot of experience in business, yet the two Ministers I am referring to have different workloads.

You just stated to my colleague that some Ministers have more work and responsibilities than another one. Do you have two categories of Ministers? Do you have junior Ministers and the more senior Ministers?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I haven't categorized any one as a junior Minister, senior Minister or middle-of-the-road Minister. I made this decision because it is an interim arrangement that I felt would work. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. There has also been some decision-making, by a lot of different Cabinet committees and in the past few months, since we have been reshaping government, the Cabinet's structure has changed. Do you have what we call an "inner Cabinet group" and an "outer Cabinet group"?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

No, Mr. Speaker. I don't think there are enough of us to split up. It seems to me, in our work, everyone has quite a lot to do and there is no time to structure inner or outer Cabinets. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi. So for the record, when Cabinet decisions are made, all eight Cabinet Ministers participate in the decision-making?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, unless they are not present, away on business. Generally, in the last few years all Cabinet Ministers have been able to attend most of the meetings and we try to

schedule those meetings ahead of time so it is possible to arrange the other duties around them.

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Question 50-12(4): Details Of Ministerial Travel

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 92

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Government Leader . In October, I wrote to the Government Leader asking for a commitment to provide the Members of this House with a list of ministerial travel and all travel with regard to Ministers. The Government Leader wrote back and stated she was getting this information collated and would present it in the House. I would like to ask the Government Leader when she intends to present that information to this House? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the information is together. I think it is just a matter of bringing it forward. I will try to do that in the next couple of days.

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Question 51-12(4): Interpreters/translators - Policy On Provision Of Service

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 92

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Education . Yesterday, when I asked the question about the interpreter/translator relocating, he did say that he wanted to remind honourable Members that the responsibility of interpreter/translators is to all departments

and all agencies of government in providing this service to the community. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister whether this is government policy right now?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that under the Official Languages Act there is a requirement on the part of government to provide services in the aboriginal languages to those people to whom we are providing a service. That is the nature of the legislation.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

So, Mr. Speaker, the Minister is indicating that the interpreters/translators do not serve all government departments and agencies?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

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Question 52-12(4): Alcohol And Drug Board Of Management

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 93

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Social Services . Mr. Speaker, last week I asked the Minister of Social Services when the alcohol and drug board of management was dissolved. The Minister indicated today that it was dissolved on April 13, 1992. However, when I spoke of this board of management in this House back on September 30, 1992 and subsequently in February, 1993, there was no indication by either this current Minister or the previous Minister that the board was dissolved.

Therefore, I would like to ask this Minister, if this board of management was dissolved in April 1992, why did the board of management meet in August of 1992? Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take the question as notice because I only took the portfolio in December so I have no knowledge of why they met in August 1992. Thank you.

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Question 53-12(4): Status Of Liquor Inspection, Iqaluit

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 93

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This question is for the Minister of Safety and Public Services . What is the current status of liquor inspection in the town of Iqaluit? Thank you.

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member knows that when the municipality was in place, they had, for one reason or another, withdrawn and terminated the contract with the Department of Safety and Public Services to do the liquor inspections in the community. Since that time, the department advertised a request for proposals. It is my understanding that the proposals closed early in November, somewhere around the 10 or the 12. I'm expecting that a new liquor inspector will be hired in Iqaluit hopefully this week. Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I acknowledge the efforts that have been made by the department. However, Mr. Speaker, what is being proposed is another contractual arrangement. It has been tried several times before and it has not worked out. Given the number of licensed premises and the high degree of public concern in Iqaluit about the adequacy of the current level of liquor inspections, I would like to ask the Minister is he satisfied that another part-time contractor, doing part-time inspections, will adequately serve the public interest in overseeing the operation of the many licensed premises in Iqaluit? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Well, I suppose part of the solution would be to close down some of the licensed premises, but I wonder what the town of Iqaluit would think about that. I guess nobody's satisfied in the debate on liquor inspections and the way in which we run our operations. You have a diversity of opinion. The fiscal reality is that within the resources I have...We have somewhere around $25,000 to do liquor inspections through a contractual agreement. I'm told that

there was a significant amount of inspection done in certain places in Iqaluit. Some were ignored and some got more attention than others.

I suppose, ideally, if the resources were there, we could put more into place, if that is what the House and department felt was necessary. Right now, I believe that when we put this new contractual agreement into place, hopefully it will appease some of the community. It certainly won't appease or satisfy the whole community, it never does.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, the Minister talked about financial resources and I believe he listened attentively to my statement yesterday when I cited the reported sales in one licensed premises for one month alone, of 42,000 cans of beer. For each can, the Government of the Northwest Territories, I presume, obtains revenues through mark-ups on the sale of the beer and also through taxes.

So, Mr. Speaker, I believe that revenues are flowing from the town of Iqaluit and I suspect substantially more than $25,000 a year. I would like to ask the Minister, given the apparent high volume of sales in Iqaluit, the high degree of public concern, and the number of incidents that seem to involve licensed premises, would the Minister be prepared to give consideration -- after this next experiment in contractual arrangements is tried once again -- to presenting a case for a full-time liquor inspector in Iqaluit in the coming fiscal year? Thank you.

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Question 53-12(4): Status Of Liquor Inspection, Iqaluit

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 94

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, we are fully aware of the difficulties that are occurring in the town of Iqaluit and the volume of alcohol that is consumed there. I would like to see them consume less, but that's everybody's individual right. The opening of premises is based upon plebiscite and community support or lack of support. So, I really have no direct control over that. However, we are currently examining the possibility and looking for resources to allocate a full-time liquor inspector for Iqaluit and, ultimately, Baffin Island given the degree, if you want, of problems that are associated with alcohol in that particular area. Thank you.

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Question 54-12(4): NWT Workers' Training Fund - Eligibility For Uic

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 94

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment Programs. Mr. Speaker, yesterday the Minister told us about the success of the NWT workers' fund and how, to date, 525 people have received support for training and work experience through the program. I just want to let the Minister know that I think it's terrific that we've managed to get so many more people working.

Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the program was set up to maximize the benefit to northerners though. Could the Minister advise this House whether the program was, in fact, set up to ensure that trainees would work long enough to qualify for unemployment insurance benefits?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Mr. Nerysoo .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 94

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the honourable Member is probably aware, one of the bases on which we were intending to set up the training program was to ensure that those participants in the NWT workers' training fund and those proposals that were submitted allowed the participants and trainees to qualify for unemployment insurance benefits, with few exceptions. I'll have to be more specific and come back with more detail. However, most projects that have been submitted would allow those people who are participating to complete the 20-week period at which time an individual can qualify for unemployment insurance.

That is the case so far. I will have to be more specific in terms of bringing back all the details. I'll be prepared to do that for the honourable Member.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the Minister said he will do this, but I would like to get a time by which the Minister will agree to advise the House of how many of the trainees did qualify for unemployment insurance at the end of their positions which were brought about by this fund.

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Page 94

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I could probably have that information available tomorrow for the honourable Members of this Legislature.

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Question 55-12(4): Cabinet Approval Of Water/sewer Subsidy Program

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 94

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, with regard to questions I've asked over the past years, in the area of the water and sewer subsidy program. One of the communities in my constituency, the village of Fort Simpson, was designated to be included in the program. I've been told in the past that this program is coming along. I'd like to know if this subsidy

program, which includes the village of Fort Simpson, has been approved by Cabinet at this time. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 95

John Todd

Keewatin Central

If my memory is correct, I don't believe at this time the water/sewer subsidy program in which Fort Simpson is a major player, has been approved.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 95

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

This has been going on for quite a few years. I don't know how many more years this will go on. If you could indicate when this program will be approved, because you have the authority now to dismiss elected municipal councils as the Minister of MACA. Fort Simpson is in financial problems and I'm worried that they might go the way Iqaluit did. If you could approve this program, it might help them out. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 95

John Todd

Keewatin Central

I am only one of eight humble voices moving toward a resolution of this problem. I do recognize -- on a serious note -- that it is an important issue and it has been brought to the Cabinet on two occasions, I believe. I believe we're close to resolving this issue. It's on the agenda for the next Cabinet meeting. Hopefully at that time we'll be able to give you the appropriate answer that would satisfy the community of Fort Simpson and others. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 56-12(4): Discontinuation Of Family Allowance In Baffin South

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 95

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to direct my question to the Minister of Social Services , with regard to what I stated earlier this week about family allowance. For those people who are unemployed or living on the sale of carvings, we are wondering in Baffin South why some people who are unemployed are not receiving family allowances any more. Many families are no longer receiving family allowance. Mr. Speaker, perhaps the Minister of Social Services can give us an indication why these family allowances have been cut. Thank you. I think this question should be directed to the Minister of Finance .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 95

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Pollard .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 95

John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think if Members will recall, this issue was brought to our attention by Mr. Gargan and at that time the Department of Finance contacted the federal government Department of Finance in this regard. Mr. Speaker, on January 1, 1993, the federal government rolled together three programs, family allowances, the child tax credit and the refundable child tax credit.

What we have done is contacted the federal department to let them know there are some omissions in the Northwest Territories, and they have complied with our wishes and have done considerable advertising in this area. Basically, Mr. Speaker, if somebody has filed an income tax form last year, and if they met eligibility which is income less than $25,921 a year, they can apply for the child tax credit. Mr. Speaker, I won't go into any more detail. It's suffice to say that I'll meet with the Member after question period and advise him of how to get the information to his community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 95

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Member for Kitikmeot .

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Question 57-12(4): Employment Opportunities In Mining - Department's Plans

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 95

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment Programs. Given the increased activity of exploration and the strong possibility of future mining activity in the Northwest Territories, and more particularly in the Slave geologic corridor, north of Yellowknife up to the Arctic coast, and Coppermine in my constituency, what has the Minister or his department undertaken with the mining industry to identify training needs and potential employment opportunities for northerners in future mining related opportunities?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 95

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Thank you. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 95

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to indicate to the honourable Member that, as a department, we've identified the need for assessment of the types of employment that would be available. Secondly, it is still our view as a department that we need to develop a coordinated approach to long-term mining programs and training opportunities in the Northwest Territories. I have indicated to the honourable Member, the Minister for Economic Development and Tourism , that we should be working together to try to develop the necessary collective approach to that particular matter. We've agreed that we're going to work together on that particular matter.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Member for Kitikmeot .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 96

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

What time frame is the Minister looking at as far as developing a coordinated approach to address the issue?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 96

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, I have not identified any particular time frame, mainly because I believe that first of all there is a need for us to make the assessments about what employment opportunities would be available in any development that occurred. Secondly, how can we, as a department, respond by setting up the appropriate training programs? Thirdly, we have to determine what other affected departments will participate in the strategy, and we should reflect their training needs in the presentation as well.

I have not identified any particular time table, mainly because we have not, as a government, made a decision on how and when we are going to respond collectively on this particular matter. It is an issue of concern that I have already raised with my colleagues.

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The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Supplementary, Member for Kitikmeot .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 96

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Has the Minister consulted with the mining industry to see what their needs are?

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The Deputy Speaker

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Mr. Nerysoo .

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Page 96

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, no, mainly because the honourable Member responsible for Economic Development and Tourism and Transportation was given some responsibility for coordinating the approach on behalf of government in terms of meeting with industry and the community. We have indicated to him that, as a department, we are prepared to support him in developing a comprehensive approach, both in terms of meeting the training needs for industry and training needs for other projects through government initiatives.

Let me give you one example. We are having discussions with regard to road development and there will obviously be some potential requirements there. There will be more specific issues with mining. Also, there is the matter of what happens with harbour development and the training needs of individuals who will be employed in that area.

It is a broad area that we're trying to look at in terms of making sure we have a comprehensive approach. Involved in that is more specific training requirements. We have to meet and approve the expenditures for that kind of training. Presently, it

is not clear what we need for training. Nobody's really given us an indication of what the needs are going to be.

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The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Allooloo .

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Question 58-12(4): Percentage Allotted To Northern Firms Under The Bip

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 96

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Housing, and seeing he is not here, I will pose it to the Premier . If there are two companies in one particular community in the Northwest Territories -- one local and one from outside the community -- if there is bidding on a contract, what sort of percentage is given to the local company and what percentage is given to the company from outside the community where the job has to be done?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 96

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

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