Debates of Feb. 10th, 2006

This is page numbers 919 - 948 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was health .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Passing Of Respected Fort Simpson Elder Albertine Rohdes

Need To Update The Mental Health Act

Tribute To Lynette Storoz

Recognition Of The Achievements Of Father Pochat

Local Health Organizations In Remote Communities

Non-profit Day Care Facilities In The Northwest Territories

Recognition Of NWT Arctic Winter Games Athletes

Member Attendance At Session And Committee Meetings Of The Legislative Assembly

Relevant Cultural Programs In Schools Of The Nwt

Tribute To Elders Albertine Rohdes And Alfred Lennie

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Non-profit Day Cares In The Nwt

Injuries From Snowmobile Accidents

Review Of Local Health Organizations

Policing Services To Smaller Communities

Water Treatment Plant In Sachs Harbour

Status Of The Business Incentive Policy

Mental Health Act And Related Services In The Nwt

Cancer Rates In The Nwt

Non-profit Day Cares In The Nwt

Review Of Community Justice Programs

Written Question 25-15(4): GNWT Diamond Strategy

Written Question 26-15(4): Diamond Certification Revenue

Mr. Braden's Reply

Ms. Lee's Reply

Speaker's Ruling

Bill 12:

An Act To Amend The Territorial Court ActBill 15: Court Security ActBill 16: Tobacco Control ActBill 17:

An Act To Amend The Public Colleges Act

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good morning, colleagues. Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Passing Of Respected Fort Simpson Elder Albertine Rohdes

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I am devoting my Member's statement to a very well-respected elder of Fort Simpson who passed away on Wednesday, Mrs. Albertine Rohdes. She shared her traditional, cultural and spiritual knowledge and skills with all, and with a passion that is rare to find. She was like a museum to the people of Nahendeh and throughout the Northwest Territories.

Her political involvement stretched throughout the decades, influencing the development and the path of our communities and people. She was there during the birth of our aboriginal and Metis political organizations, '70s, '80s and '90s. Her sphere of influence and the people she touched are extensive, and I am sure that even some of us here today in this House remember a special moment we were honoured to share with her.

With Albertine, family always came before work or politics. She had an amazing knowledge of family, that far-extended family, even two or three generations of ancestors all over the North. She was often the one who kept many families in touch. People say she was the keeper of names, very important to who we are and where we come from as a people.

A special condolence on behalf of our Assembly to her husband, Herb, her sons Wayne and Joey, and her two daughters Beatrice and Amy. She was a grandmother to six children, three grandsons and three granddaughters.

We will never forget how she nurtured as a mother and grandmother, inspired as a friend, and guided as a leader and elder. Albertine has passed and as we grieve, we must always remember we were blessed to have had her in our lives at all. She lived a life full of love and she will always be remembered.

I once heard a saying, Mr. Speaker, that good people die, but death could never kill their names. Mahsi cho.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Need To Update The Mental Health Act

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. As Mental Health Week comes to a close, I would like to bring to the attention of this House the concerns of many families and the victims of mental illness and professionals involved in health care service about the suitability of our own Mental Health Act. The NWT's act was passed in 1988, Mr. Speaker. Today, it is clinically, administratively and perhaps even from a human rights point of view, significantly behind the times.

In most other jurisdictions, the foundation of mental health legislation has moved from the concept of where a victim of mental illness may be a danger to themselves or to society, to an assessment or a continuum of care that looks at an individual's competence and capacity. So there is now a much greater emphasis on the individual's own autonomy and ability to be a functioning member of society, than one of protection and control. This is one of the major faults now in our Mental Health Act.

Mr. Speaker, many clinical aspects of mental illness are viewed differently today than when this legislation was created. For instance, illnesses such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder are now recognized along with diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.

With the impact, Mr. Speaker, of alcohol on a society and the recognition especially manifested in Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Disorder and the ever- increasing number of mind-altering drugs that are readily available in our society, the question is coming up more and more: Are we dealing with a mental health situation or a psychiatric issue? Is it a behavioural and police issue? Who is best suited and most appropriate to deal with these circumstances when they come up? This is where our Mental Health Act, Mr. Speaker, needs to be revised, addressed, and it needs to be done so on, I believe, an urgent basis.

I am going to be asking the Minister of Health what can be done to bring this very necessary part of our health legislation into modern context. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Tribute To Lynette Storoz

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to pay tribute to a member of the community of Hay River who recently passed away. Lynette Storoz and her three-year struggle with cancer ended on January 1st. Lynette is sadly missed by her

husband, Dennis, and her sons, Jason and Kevin. Lynette was a vivacious, vibrant, outgoing, attractive woman. There are so many adjectives that one could use to describe Lynette. She was so full of life. It seemed almost unbelievable when we first learned that Lynette had cancer. She was young, fit, and was a role model for healthy living.

True to her nature in every challenge that she encountered, she approached her diagnosis and recovery head on with positive energy and meticulous attention to detail. In spite of this, this insidious disease took her.

One story about Lynette's irrepressible spirit is a few years before she was diagnosed with cancer, she woke up one morning and a virus that causes Bell's Palsy had smitten her and nerves had been affected in her face. It caused complete paralysis on one side of her face. I think most women would have wanted to pull the covers over their head and stay home for a few days. But a few days after that, I was at an oil and gas conference in Calgary and there was Lynette going table to table greeting people and doing her job. I was so impressed with that.

Lynette was good at everything she did. She worked most recently for several years as the director of marketing for Northern Transportation. She loved her work, her coworkers, her network of customers, but she made time for her priorities: her family and many friends. She kept a beautiful home and she loved to entertain her friends. She loved sports and she was an avid golfer.

As her long-time friend and colleague Cameron Clement said at her memorial service recently in Edmonton, she was fun and she was sassy, and anyone who met Lynette Storoz would never forget her.

Mr. Speaker, the many people whom she came in contact with, and the many lives that she touched, and the many people who loved Lynette, will never forget her. I would ask the House to join me in sending our condolences to Lynette's family in Hay River, and may she rest in peace. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Recognition Of The Achievements Of Father Pochat

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The reason I am taking the time to mention this today is I just got the good news yesterday that he has been recognized and will be honoured with the Order of Canada in the coming weeks and will be inducted as an officer to the Order of Canada. I would just like to take this opportunity to recognize that very great achievement and recognition for all his lifetime of work for the people of the North. I would ask that we take time to honour that achievement today. It's a great one. It's good for him and it reflects the lifetime he has devoted to all of us. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Local Health Organizations In Remote Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, health and social services, as we all know, is a very important and sensitive issue in our smaller communities. When a community's concerns on health are brought to the attention of a health authority that is not directly involved with the dynamics of the community on a day-to-day basis, sometimes these issues lose some credibility and their sense of importance.

When issues are brought up in a boardroom that comprises of a majority of members who have not lived in a small, remote, aboriginal community and are not aboriginals themselves, many of these unresolved issues seem to gravitate towards the question of stereotyping and unfair treatment.

Mr. Speaker, I want to make it clear that I do support our local health organizations and I am grateful for a lot of the good work that many of these health authorities have done, given the many challenges that they are up against.

I also want to make it clear, Mr. Speaker, that it is very noticeable to people in these outlying, remote communities when issues as important as health, issues that affect the whole community, are not dealt with in a manner that is acceptable, efficient, effective and, most importantly, desirable by the community, people start to lose confidence and trust in the system. Therefore, the system has to change, Mr. Speaker. It is these changes that I will be asking the Minister about later in today's proceedings. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Non-profit Day Care Facilities In The Northwest Territories

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier this week, I spoke about the Government of the Northwest Territories' support for day care facilities and the government's involvement in the provision of childcare.

The focal point of my concerns is that it is very obvious and clear to me that the Government of the Northwest Territories does not treat non-profit day cares equitably. Case in point, Mr. Speaker, is a day care in my riding that

continues to have financial difficulties while the government just sits by and continues to allow inequities to exist. This non-profit day care is Northern Tikes, formerly known as Neshda. When their former building downtown could not be brought up to code to meet new fire regulations, the decision was made to relocate. The day care was denied government space, denied start-up grants because they were already in operation, and left to fend for themselves. Mr. Speaker, this day care spends over $100,000 per year just on rent for the space they occupy.

The Government of the Northwest Territories provides rent free, all maintenance costs paid, space to other day cares. I have seen the operating budget for Northern Tikes and there just is no room in it for them to replace toys, books, carpets, games or furniture to provide a better environment for the children to be in. They just continue to try and do their best with what they have and for this, they should be commended. Staff turnover continues to be incredibly high and they just can't afford to pay workers competitive wages.

I asked the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment questions the other day on why inequities of the magnitude of $100,000 per year are allowed to exist. I was not satisfied with his answers and I believe the government should clearly explain its position on assistance for non-profit day cares. Mr. Speaker, I have a number of questions today for both the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment and the Minister of Public Works , the Minister responsible for charity leases to some of these day cares. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Recognition Of NWT Arctic Winter Games Athletes

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, I read the list of participants chosen to represent the Northwest Territories at Arctic Winter Games in Alaska. Today, Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to recognize the athletes from the riding of Nunakput. If I may, Mr. Speaker, I would like to list them individually.

In Arctic sports, from Paulatuk - Marion Green, Arlin Ruben, Jonathan Dillon; from Tuktoyaktuk - Jenne Kotokak, Matthew Anikina, Craig Gruben, Steven Kotokak; from Ulukhaktok - Tyler Inuktalik, Joey Kunana.

The alternates in Arctic sports, Mr. Speaker, from Ulukhaktok - Shane Alikamik, Adrianne Kagyut, Gary Okheena, Tony Alanak; from Sachs Harbour - Vanessa Anikina.

In badminton, Mr. Speaker, from Ulukhaktok - Susie Memogana, Dale Nigiyok, Eric Kagyut, and alternate Curtis Banksland.

In basketball, the alternates from Tuktoyaktuk - Kristy Anderson and Brent Wolki.

In the Dene games, amazing or not, from Tuktoyaktuk - John Stuart, Jr.

In hockey, from Paulatuk - Elton Ruben.

Mr. Speaker, these athletes will represent our territory with the dignity, respect, but, more importantly, Mr. Speaker, they will represent the Northwest Territories to the best of their ability. Mr. Speaker, I wish all these athletes well, play safe, but, more importantly, have fun. Good luck because we are behind you all the way.

Finally, to the host community in the state of Alaska, we know you will treat our athletes with respect. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Member Attendance At Session And Committee Meetings Of The Legislative Assembly

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to follow up on the statement made by my colleague from Hay River yesterday. There is no question that it's not a good reflection on the House when the presence or absence of Members in the Chamber or in committees take up media time, not what we get done here in the House.

Nevertheless, this has been a problem for the last long while and it's now public, and the onus is on all of us to work together to improve this situation.

Mr. Speaker, we may have to look at going back to the system where we get paid by meetings we attend...

---Applause

...I personally don't like that because I believe the work we are doing encompasses much more than what we do in this House. Nevertheless, the work here and in our committees is absolutely vital to our work. Being such a small group, one or two of us not being here could really bring the proceedings to a halt.

Perhaps we should look at posting a presence and absence of MLAs at committees meetings, and reasons for them, on the Legislative Assembly web site daily; and during sessions, the reasons for absence could be stated for the record, Mr. Speaker.

I believe the people have to ask these questions, and the constituency of Range Lake, I want to tell them that it's been a long-standing practice of mine to tell them my schedules and the goings on in my office on the web site throughout the year. During session, I have updates daily in the House about what I am saying and, obviously, if I am not here, I can't be saying those things.Mr. Speaker, I have been here everyday. I want to communicate to my constituents that I have been here everyday during this session, and these past two weeks have been especially busy as we have been operating under extended hours.

I can also tell them that this week has been an especially busy week with the long-standing hours. I have been here until at least 10:00 every night....

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I worked until 10:00 last Sunday, and I believe that record is for the public at the security desk. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Relevant Cultural Programs In Schools Of The Nwt

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During AOC committee's pre-budget consultation last year, an issue came up across the NWT and it was the need for more relevant programming in schools for our northern students. This includes northern aboriginal language, culture, land claim agreements, traditional skills and history of the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, this only makes sense that our youth be taught, in a coordinated way, our culture, history and current events of the North that they live in. Learning about southern Canada and other parts of the globe is very important too, Mr. Speaker, but it should not take such a priority over northern history that northern issues get left behind.

I have to wonder, Mr Speaker, if making the educational curriculum more relevant to the students' day-to-day experiences if they would get more involved, be more excited in attendance, and maybe that would be reflected in graduation rates.

For some students, Mr. Speaker, I can only assume an assignment in self-government or maybe even pipeline issues would be more exciting to them in the North than maybe the history of the war of 1812 or of the House of Tudor, not that they are any less important.

Mr. Speaker, in the past, this government has not shied away from making bold policy statements. The Education Act, for example, demanded inclusive schooling. That was a bold step that needs to be recognized, so we don't need to stop there. We need to keep going with strong messages.

Mr. Speaker, maybe it's time that this Legislature require that a minimum level of NWT culture, history, event programming is written into legislation. Whatever efforts this government can make to direct policies and overall education councils to scribe such a program would only be beneficial to all parents and constituents.

Mr. Speaker, I can say that some schools and school boards make every effort to embrace northern culture, and I have to point out that in my riding of Yellowknife Centre, Mildred Hall embraces it with every bit of recognition it deserves. It takes changes in laws to sometimes deliver these messages, Mr. Speaker, and I expect that we require and deserve to give it the respect it deserves. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Tribute To Elders Albertine Rohdes And Alfred Lennie

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I, too, would like to pay tribute to Albertine Rohdes. Albertine has given a lot to the people of the Northwest Territories, especially her wisdom and her knowledge and the struggle for aboriginal rights in the Northwest Territories.

Albertine was very active with the Metis Nation of the Northwest Territories. She was involved in the Dene/Metis process. She was involved in devolution and where we are today with aboriginal rights.

Albertine would always be the one at the meeting that everyone would want to hear from. She was the person who spoke from the heart and when she spoke, she spoke honestly. She made us all feel that we also had to realize that we had to respect not only our elders, but ourselves and other people around the table.

She provided us with a lot of history and knowledge of the Northwest Territories and how we devolved and struggled over the years to achieve the recognition that we have today as First Nations people.

Albertine was involved with the Fort Simpson Metis local for years. I had the privilege of serving with Albertine as vice-president of the Metis Nation of the Northwest Territories and also was involved with the Dene/Metis claims process through the Dene/Metis Secretariat. It was people like Albertine who gave us the knowledge and put us on the path of how to deal with our issues, how to go forward and find solutions to our problems.

With that, I would like to thank Albertine's family for sharing such a beautiful woman, grandmother and someone who gave so much to the Northwest Territories.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would also like to send condolences to the Lennie family of Tulita on the passing of Alfred Lennie, an uncle to a Member in this House, Mr. Norman Yakeleya .

I would also like to thank the Lennie family for offering Alfred's wisdom and knowledge. Alfred was also instrumental in helping me help the Sahtu negotiate their land claim. Alfred provided a lot of information and knowledge to the claims negotiators. Mr. Speaker, I would like unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, Alfred Lennie was a person who said it as it was and was straight to the point. One thing Alfred always had is, he had a way of just approaching anyone he went to and he was so easy to get along with, yet Alfred had a way of saying things that we, in most cases, were reluctant to say, but he said it anyhow.

Alfred will be greatly missed. Again, I would like to thank the Lennie family for sharing such a wonderful person. Again, I send my condolences to the family. I encourage the people in those communities to support the families

through their tough time. More importantly, know that these people have done their job and have shared their wisdom with us. That's the jewel that we can be grateful for. With that, thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's not very often I get people from back home to come down to the Assembly here in the gallery. At this time, Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize my brother, Ernest Pokiak. Mr. Pokiak is the regional airport manager for Tuktoyaktuk, Ulukhaktok, Sachs Harbour and Paulatuk. He's also a board member of the Arctic College Board of Governors. I would like to welcome him today.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Recognitions of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know Mr. Pokiak has been recognized already, but he certainly is the owner of one of the most beautiful houses in the Northwest Territories where I had the privilege of staying when I was there, but he wasn't there, so I would like to welcome him to the gallery. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Oral questions. Honourable Member from Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 375-15(4): Non-profit Day Cares In The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 923

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I've got a number of questions. I guess I'm going to start with questions for the Minister responsible for Public Works and Services , the Honourable Floyd Roland , and it gets back to the issue of leases for non-profit day cares. I'd like to, first of all, ask the Minister if he's aware of the lease that he has with non-profit day cares here in the city of Yellowknife, and the inequities that are at play with the operation of other non-profit day cares here in the city of Yellowknife.

I guess the first question would be if he's aware of the charity lease and the benefit that that provides to operating non-profit day cares here in Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister responsible for Public Works , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I am aware that we do have a number of charity leases throughout the government. It's not a standing policy; it's something that's developed over time when a unit has become available and an organization would put in a request to take over that facility. So, yes, I'm aware of our leases. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister of Public Works and Services if Public Works and Services is in the business of providing charity leases to certain day cares, I'm wondering how they can do it for one day care and not do it for the other day care. I'm wonder if there's even been a discussion between Public Works and Services and the Department of Education on this inequity that exists and how we might be able to overcome that.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, overall, it's a policy of government not to interrupt the business environment. But being that a lot of these organizations are charitable organizations or societies trying to fill a basic need in a community, it was developed almost as a case-by-case scenario. There is no set policy in place. It is, again as I stated earlier, as one facility comes up for surplus, we would approach communities, our leadership, our other government departments, for potential uses. From time to time, as we have found, there's a number of them out there, not only to day care associations but to other associations, as well. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think we have a serious situation on our hands with the possibility of non-profit day cares not being able to operate because they're not on the same level playing field that I believe that they should be on, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to ask the Minister of Public Works and Services if they've ever had discussions regarding whether or not Public Works and Services and the Department of Education could look at providing something like rent subsidies, or something to that effect, so that all non-profit day cares are on the same page, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just for the record, as well, the charity leases that we have in place are to non-profit organizations, whether it's the day cares or day care facilities, or women's associations, things of that...preschools. I'd be willing to have that discussion about the government's role in trying to do these things. As I said, we don't have a

policy in place, but it is probably coming to the time where we do need to look at the environment that we're operating in. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Final question, I guess. I'd like to ask, is it fair that one non-profit day care is provided maintenance costs, rent-free environment which totals over $80,000, while the other day care is left to pay their own operating cost, their own rent and their own maintenance costs? Is that fair, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Member's seeking my personal opinion on that basis, I mean everybody asks for the same field to be on, I guess, or the same level to be operating under. So we understand there's a difficulty there. As I stated earlier, initially when these things first came in place, it is a case-by-case scenario, and we're going to have to review that and how we become involved, probably, and whether it's a small community or a large centre. So I guess all I can say to this is we will look at the way we've structured our charity leases and how we will continue to either support them or work around that issue. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Oral questions. The honourable Member from Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Question 376-15(4): Injuries From Snowmobile Accidents

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 924

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is for the Minister of Justice and it's in regards to an issue that's been in the media a lot, and that has to do with the injuries from snowmobile accidents, Mr. Speaker. We live in a winter country and snowmobiling is something that a lot of people consider as an essential, as well as sports and recreation. But it is an area of activity that does see casualties and injuries and fatalities every year, Mr. Speaker.

The national studies show that snowmobile injuries constitute at least 40 percent of all sports and recreation injuries, and half of those admitted for severe trauma, half of those accidents are also alcohol related. So I'd like to know, as a Minister of Justice , whether he's looked into this issue to see what, if anything, we can do as a territorial Legislature to change this situation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 924

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister responsible for Justice , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a very serious and concerning problem not only across the North, but, indeed, in the entire country. More and more people are being hurt in snowmobile accidents, ATV accidents, and there is some merit in getting the word out to people so that they recognize they probably need to slow down and drive more safely, and be aware that at all times they need to be wearing helmets. Mr.

Speaker, one of the things our government is doing, the Department of Transportation and the Department of MACA are working together to put together an education campaign and get out to the communities with this messaging, and talk to people about how we can be safer and reduce accidents on snow machines and ATVs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, education might be one thing that can be done, but I'm not sure if that's enough. I think that is something that requires some legislative action, and it's definitely an area that is cross-jurisdictional because a snowmobile could travel from a municipality to a territorial land to federal land, and it is something that I think would require cooperation from three levels of government. Mr. Speaker, I walk my dogs everyday at Range Lake and the speed is just out of control, and I need to see that the Minister does something about that. Would the Minister consider looking at this and see what legislative action we can take? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Minister Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, there are already laws on the roads and there are laws in municipalities. Enforcement, obviously, is a problem, very difficult, and there are more and more snow machines out there. So it's something that we can have some discussion around. But the Member is right; it crosses a number of jurisdictions: ours and municipal. I think the most important thing is to get out there and make sure people recognize the dangers.

I'm not sure especially young people have a good sense of exactly how powerful these machines are and how much at risk they can be when they're speeding, even on open lakes which seem fairly smooth. There have been lots of cases where there are heaves in the ice and people have serious, serious accidents. So we are doing something. Transportation and MACA are working on this education campaign. We can talk to the various law enforcement agencies, but I would acknowledge, right now, that enforcement is a problem and it is difficult. Obviously not as easy as it is on roads for vehicles.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, like I stated, I don't think education is enough. I don't think there's anybody who doesn't know that going on a snowmobile at 130 kilometres is not a good thing. It's not the right thing; it's not the legal thing. But I have watched enforcement officers coming and their equipment can't catch up with the speed of some of these distant snowmobilers. Mr. Speaker, I think that we need to have some legislative teeth, and I would asks the Minister to

work with the municipal organizations and federal government, and take a lead on looking at what sort of areas we can make judicial action on. I think it takes legislative intervention, not just education. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do know that the Department of Transportation staff have met with the trail riders group from Great Slave Snowmobile Association. Those folks have endorsed this public education campaign, but they've also said that they'd be willing to be involved in an interagency working group that DOT plans to establish. In the longer term, there are a number of initiatives planned, but a discussion around legislation is certainly on the list and it is something that they are contemplating and want to discuss.

So I do know that DOT plans to go out to the other snowmobile associations in the Northwest Territories, and I can assure the Member that legislation and legislative options are not something we're ignoring. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Final supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the legislative agenda of this Assembly is very, very thin, and I think I might have given the Minister of Justice something really chewy to work on for the remainder of this Assembly, Mr. Speaker. I agree; the snowmobile association is one of the stakeholders, but there's a lot more stakeholders that he should consult and that includes the federal Minister of Justice and the City of Yellowknife, from my point of view. So could he make the commitment to consult with them and come back with an action paper by the spring session? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, I think even probably before we start talking about the federal government, I'd be interested in making sure hunters and trappers are involved in this discussion because this is part of their livelihood and I think very important for them. DOT does plan to sit down with MACA; I mentioned that. They are going to bring in the RCMP, municipal enforcement, coroner's office, the chief medical officer, other snowmobile associations. They think they can have this group up and running by the end of the month, or next month.

If we need the federal government involved, we can certainly bring them in. But I think as a starting point, we obviously need to bring in the hunters and trappers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Oral questions. The honourable Member from Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Question 377-15(4): Review Of Local Health Organizations

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 925

Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. As I talked about in my Member's statement, I've got a couple questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Just in respect to the last session when the Minister committed to completing a community health review by January of 2006, which is passed already. I'm just wondering, I want to ask the Minister, has this review been done yet? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this work has been done and they're in the final report writing stages. I've been informed, since I queried them on the status, that we should have the report by the end of this month, and we'll be able to see what the recommendations are and share those with the community and with the Member. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I look forward to seeing the recommendations of that report. They probably deal with a lot of board representation and community health services, medical travel and stuff for the smaller communities. I just want to make a point to the Minister that I know the authority my communities deal with, the Yellowknife Health and Social Services Authority has a very big plate and a lot of the small community issues get lost amongst this big banquet of issues that they have to address on a daily and a monthly basis.

I just want to ask the Minister if this report, when it does get tabled in this House, does it include any extra funding requirements for smaller communities, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have yet to see the report, so I have no idea what the specific recommendations are. But I can tell the Member that as we plan in our budget that's before this House, for example, to deal with all the program issues as they affect communities, we build in forced growth. If we have a new initiative, we try to account for all the needs and requirements of communities. But I have yet to see the consultant's report or the specific recommendations. Thank you.

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me just ask the Minister a question about the report itself. I didn't see the terms of reference for the report, but I want to ask the Minister, does the report, is it a territorial-wide community report, or is this more specific to my constituency which raises the issue of getting the report in the first place? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this report was done at the request of the community, but, as well, three years ago or four years ago now when there was a change in the governance arrangement and Fort Resolution started sitting at the Yellowknife health and social service table, one of the agreements was after three years, or two years, to take a look at how things have gone in relation to the MOU. So the memorandum of understanding between the community and the department was the basis of the review.

It's very specific, focussed on the issues to the people of Fort Resolution, and the work's been done within the community to look at those services and the services provided as support out of Yellowknife. So it would be very specific to the community. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Question 378-15(4): Policing Services To Smaller Communities

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister responsible for Justice . I read in the news I think it was just before Christmas about a nice little program to service the needs of Gameti where they would put two police officers, I think, for a couple of months because of the winter road opening. I kind of prided the uniqueness of this, of having an alternate program to offer policing service to the smaller communities. I just want to know, if it has begun, is it a pilot, and can we look at branching it out to other communities, as well, Mr. Speaker? Thanks.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister responsible for Justice , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can't tell the Member if in fact the RCMP officers have already taken up their posts in Gameti. I do understand they will be serviced and will be from the Yellowknife detachment, and it will be on a roving basis. So a number of different officers will be involved. Obviously the communities had some concerns about access to the community, increased alcohol in the community, and drugs, because of the winter road. This is something that the RCMP agreed that they would try this year and see how it goes.

The idea was to really keep the presence in the community for the length of the winter road season. I could check, but I'm not sure if the winter road is, in fact, open yet. I could provide that information to the Member, though. Thank you.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I'll be interested in monitoring the outcome of this particular program, because when I first read about it I said, well, that's a pretty unique way of doing things of increasing service in the small communities. In fact, Wrigley, one of my communities, have always been asking for an increased presence of, actually, medical service. But the barrier there was that there had to be like a police presence, as well.

Then if you get one police presence, then you need, like, another officer because there's another rule or guideline saying that they're not going to put in one-police detachments anymore for safety reasons. So just the fact that we're looking at putting RCMP officers in for a couple of months, it might have implications for Wrigley that we can have an at least increased service with regard to providing health care services. So if the Minister will provide me updates as we go along. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We can certainly provide updates. We do have a working group with the RCMP and Justice officials talking about the provision of service to small communities. There are, I think, 13 communities in the NWT without detachments. The Member is right; the days of single-officer detachments are gone, so we have to be more creative and look at ways that we can provide service to some of our smaller communities. Probably the smallest ones we will be hard pressed to ever see detachments, or for awhile anyway, because of cost pressures in the smallest detachments.

But I still believe, and I've had this discussion with Member Pokiak about a detachment in Sachs Harbour. I think Wrigley is another obvious one where we could use a detachment. I think the pressures from development are going to increase. But is a matter, as Members know, of getting it into the federal government's capital plan. It is the federal government that pays for detachments; we share the O and M costs. So really it's about convincing the federal Minister. That is something I want to sit down and talk to the federal Minister about, and we'll do that.

But I'll keep the Member updated on the progress that we see in Gameti. I do understand that the winter road is not open yet, but we will follow that for the couple-month period that it is. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I look forward to that, as well. The other component is, of course, to begin discussions with the Department of

Health to see if there can be a concerted effort of providing the policing services as well as the health services. If we pilot in the Nahendeh region, as well, I would suggest the community of Wrigley to increase the health services. So while the Minister also begins discussions with Health and Social Services, just to pre-plan it so we can do something maybe next year, Mr. Speaker. Thanks.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take the concerns about the provision of health services back to my department for discussions with health officials. Obviously, the Minister of Health has heard the concerns, and that's something that I'm prepared to have a discussion with him about. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Question 379-15(4): Water Treatment Plant In Sachs Harbour

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 927

Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last week I did a Member's statement in regard to the water treatment plant in Sachs Harbour. I understand that early last week they had major problems again with the treatment plant freezing up in Sachs. Mr. Speaker, the project started in the summer of 2004, and we're in 2006 now and they're still encountering the same problems of freezing up at the water plant and also the pipeline intake. My question is for the Minister of Public Works and Services . Can he give us an update from last week in regard to what the department has done to rectify the problem? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 927

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . The honourable Minister responsible for Public Works , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the latest information I received, we had a contractor go up there again to thaw out the line and look at why it froze up again. As I stated last week, between the designer of the water treatment plant, Public Works and Services, and Municipal and Community Affairs, we're working on looking at what needs to be changed. The feeling is that the long piping going from the treatment plant into the water lake is probably the reason why the insulation on the piping has deteriorated, and we're putting a project together to look at replacing that whole length of line. Thank you.

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister of Public Works and Services indicate exactly when that problem will be rectified? He mentioned that they're looking at maybe changing the pipeline. I'm just wondering, when can the people of Sachs Harbour have the water treatment plant running in correct order? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Public Works and Services, along with Municipal and Community Affairs, are going to have to come up with what the actual project will be to get this system repaired and fully operational so that we don't have any more freeze-ups. We're going to have to work with the other department and come up with the budget line, and then put it into the process for review. So I don't have an actual time, but we're working with Municipal and Community Affairs. Obviously we're going to have to come forward with something in a supplementary appropriation at a future date because it's a continuing problem; we need to repair it. Thank you.

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm just wondering, I know last week I asked the Minister in regard to if the contract was given out. I'm just wondering, this is 2004, the summer of 2004. It's been very costly finding the contractor, the freezing up of the problem. When I made a visit to Sachs Harbour in early January, Mr. Speaker, you know, I talked with the Minister about this on my return visit back to Yellowknife and it appears that early January to now, and I don't know how much longer it's going to take to rectify the problem. I'm just wondering, what more can the department do?

The people in Sachs are having a hard time trying to...They drill holes in the lake. Will the problem actually be done? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the situation that we face right now in Sachs Harbour, along with our problems with the water line itself, as I understand, the water trucks in the community actually had problems as the garage up in Sachs Harbour, I understand the furnace ran out of fuel, froze up the unit. There was a team that went up there to do the repairs, I believe on the 6th or the 7th of this last week to make those types of repairs. So my understanding is that that is now either underway or been repaired, as well as looking at the water treatment plant itself.

But as for coming up with a plan to date as to what's the actual fix, right now our discussions with the designer, Public Workers and Services, Municipal and Community Affairs is that it's to do with the length of the line, and we're going to have to look at replacing that length of line. We have to come up with a project itself, a new design and a costing of that. So I can't give the Member an actual date.

We're working on it with Municipal and Community Affairs to come up with something as soon as we can, understanding that the community can't be left in a position of having to drill holes in the lake to get their water. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Oral questions. The honourable Member from Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today will be for the Minister of Industry , Tourist and Investment. This morning I received an e-mail regarding the potential dropping of the BIP, Mr. Speaker, and it appears several small businesses are concerned, in the e-mail that I received. It looks like it may be replaced by a two percent reduction, from this e-mail that I have before me. So, Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is, how is this idea being floated out to northern businesses about the potential dropping of the BIP and replacing it with a small two percent reduction in taxes? How is it being floated out there for their discussion? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is something we've been in discussion with committee about. Governance and Economic Development committee was floated the idea first, initially, and they were at least intrigued enough with the idea to suggest that we needed to get out and talk to businesses and get their sense. The premise, Mr. Speaker, really is that the BIP, which was created a number of years ago, we think is not as useful as it once was, not as effective as it once was. It really speaks only to GNWT procurement.

I think the last numbers we had, on $200 million worth of procurement, there were premiums paid to BIP registered businesses somewhere in the neighbourhood of $200,000. If you remember back to the initial impetus for this, it was about levelling the playing field for northern business as compared to southern. What I think happens, for the most part now that our market is a little more mature, is that you have BIP businesses bidding against BIP businesses and it ends up being a wash.

So we felt that the administrative burden on our department, but spread right across all departments and on small business and larger business to comply and register, to have us monitor the BIP, was onerous compared to the value. So we've started this discussion. I've met with the NWT Chamber. They are putting out a survey to their membership over the next month, and we will have ongoing discussions around this.

But I want to clarify that it's not a small decrease to the small business tax rates. It's, in fact, a 50 percent reduction in small business tax rates, from four percent to two percent, that we're proposing would fill the gap. So we would, instead of having the BIP program, we would take the money and use that to provide a 50 percent tax break for small business. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, I'll definitely say anything that helps small business is certainly a good step. But, Mr. Speaker, there is a concern out there that this dropping of the BIP may be steamrolled and consultation may be just for formality. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to point out a couple of things. The Minister's tabled documents in this House have pointed out that Health and Social Services sole sources 77 percent of their contracts. A letter from Minister Miltenberger , which I tabled in this House, pointed out that 92 percent of their business at Stanton Territorial Hospital goes south. So, Mr.

Speaker, I'd like to hear how this Minister is, yes, helping northern small business with a two percent tax reduction, but how is he going to help and protect and promote northern businesses by dropping one of our wonderful flagship programs? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For specific procurement concerns that are taken up by departments, arm's length agencies or boards, you would have to speak to the Minister involved in that, Mr. Speaker. Of course, we run the contract registry which provides the information. We think it has added a real element of transparency. I think the Member would appreciate that. The kind of information he has at his fingertips allows us to go back and look at procurement practices. That is what we are doing.

The Canadian Federation of Independent Business, after surveying NWT businesses, came up with a list of priorities and reducing regulatory burden and red tape was near the top, Mr. Speaker. That is what we think we are doing. Another one was competitive taxation regimes and reducing taxes. We think we are doing two things here. We are reducing regulatory burden and providing a tax break. We think that is to the benefit of all small businesses, not jut the ones, I would add, that do business with the GNWT. Obviously, the non-renewable resource sector has had huge impacts.

There are many businesses making their prime business in dealing with these companies. They would now benefit. All businesses across the North making income would benefit from a small tax break. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, while reducing the taxes to small business, again I say, a darn good thing, but, Mr. Speaker, we have to make a solid point on this. You have to be getting contracts in order to have something to deduct in order to make that two percent reduction worth anything.

Mr. Speaker, I don't have to go through the statistics I said the other day, as well as just earlier, that the Minister does monitor through the registry of the sole sourcing and the sourcing that goes south at 92 percent for Stanton. Would

the Minister consider options such as maybe replacing the BIP, or modifying it so any business that is a northern business that files their taxes in the Northwest Territories are the only ones who qualify for BIP? At least that would squeeze out big corporations such as Wal-Mart or large box stores from competing with small businesspeople who are trying to make a living and promote our North. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, we have been down this road a number of times. I think past governments' experience would tell you that tinkering with the BIP is not the answer. Let's either be done with it and recognize that it is not relevant anymore, and we will consult businesses to find out if, in fact, that is their feeling, or let's leave it as is. But if we start to make changes to this, we can undertake a great deal of consultation. I can assure the Member there are ways businesses want to be creative and find a way, if they are motivated, to work around the regulations.

You are going to have southern businesses able to register a storefront in the North and comply. Wal-Mart is just an example. It is well within the regulations and the policies that we have in place and does qualify as a BIP registered business. They are registered to be able to provide a whole range of products.

Mr. Speaker, I would suggest to you that the real answer here is about levelling the playing field for all northern businesses, making sure we reduce our regulatory burden and our tax burden. The issue of sole sourcing of contracts, really BIP becomes irrelevant. It is sole sourced. It doesn't matter. It wouldn't matter if the BIP is in place or not in place. If there is a sole source that takes place, that is exactly what is going to happen. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I respectfully think that the Minister missed the point on the sole sourcing, because what I am saying is 92 percent of the business in Stanton Territorial Hospital went south. That took away any opportunity that these northern businesses had to tender or the opportunity to tender, I should say, on those contracts. That just flew right over them, Mr. Speaker. That is why I drew that comparison. Yes, BIP doesn't apply to that, but BIP is about establishing solid grounds where northern businesses can be competitive. Mr.

Speaker, I still go back to what I said on the third question which I just never got the answer. So I will ask it maybe this way, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister look at re-evaluating the BIP? I know he doesn't want to tinker with it, but would he look at re-evaluating the BIP that it only applies to companies and businesses that file their taxes only in the Northwest Territories, not these multi-nationals that partner? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, no. What the Member is asking me to do is to put in place some sort of change to the BIP that would require immense auditing, policing, would add to the regulatory burden. What we would be asking small businesses to do is essentially share private tax filing information with us. I am not even sure we have the ability to do that. I could consult with the Minister of Finance , but you are adding layers of complexity, bureaucratic red tape, and I can assure the Member that is not what small business wants. What we have to do is find a way to help small business be more competitive.

It is not about coming up with onerous protection schemes. It is about reducing regulatory burden and reducing the tax burden for northern businesses. That is what we are going to do. We are going to get out of the way so that businesses can do what they do, which is make money, employ people and create economic development. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions this morning will be for Mr. Miltenberger as the Minister of Health and Social Services . They relate to the field of mental health services and legislation in the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, the Social Programs committee, in its report to the Assembly, referred to the pre-budget consultations that were held last fall in a number of communities. I will paraphrase, Mr. Speaker. The report told us that there is not a lot of buy-in at the local level for the Mental Health and Addictions Strategy. Anecdotally, Members were told there is a real disconnect between residents and what we heard were primarily southern-hired mental health workers. The communities were pleading that if they were given the dollars and the mandate, they felt they could do a much better job of this.

Mr. Speaker, we have dozens of workers engaged in mental health, community wellness and addictions services, but, given the response that the communities have told us, it just doesn't seem to be working. What is the Minister's response to this really quite disturbing report that we are not making much headway? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we will be sharing with the Members the document done by Dr. Chalmers which was a review of the work that has been taking place over the last number of years, based on her initial assessment of the addictions and mental health services in the North back in 2001, which was called, A State of Emergency. From that document, we came up with an action plan that

committed us to a course of action across the North that saw us do a much better job in terms of bringing addictions workers on stream, setting up mental health workers, supervisors, all based on the fundamental principle that it is best to put resources at the community level. We put in over 77 positions. That document by Dr. Chalmers will be, as I said, shared to the Members and made public next week.

The title for her report is called Stay the Course, and Building and Keeping the Foundation That We Have Set Up Over the Last Number of Years is the basic title. I am always interested in the feedback that the committee provides us, but when this document comes out, the committee has a chance to look at it. Then we can sit down and have an informed discussion about how we intend to move forward. We will also be coming forward with a response from the department on how we intend to respond to those recommendations. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you. I guess I will take that one as notice, then, until the report comes out, Mr. Speaker.

On the clinical side of this question, my colleague from Hay River South told us, when she addressed this issue a couple of days ago, that 36 percent of our hospital admissions are for mental health and addictions related causes. Mr. Speaker, are we adequately resourced in our hospitals and clinics to deal with this disturbing and substantial problem in admissions and care in our hospital system? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, doctors would confirm that, in fact, a significant amount of their practice is tied to mental health issues and related circumstances, as are most other health practitioners. We have a significant amount of resources. We have a $265 million budget. A lot of it is focussed on nurses, doctors, social workers, wellness workers and mental health workers. There will always be more problems than we have resources for. The issue is to make sure that, I think, the resources we have are put to the most effective use and that our plan for the future reflects the required changes.

When I put the Chalmer's report before the committee, they will be able to give us their feedback in terms of what they think of Dr. Chalmers' assessment. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

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Well, we have been put on notice again to the Chalmers report. Mr. Speaker, our Mental Health Act is, I discussed in my Member's statement, a piece of legislation that is badly out of date in accordance with professional, legal and administrative standards. An impression that I have been given is if we can modernize this, we are not only going to be able to give people better care and do it quicker, we are also going to be saving a lot of human resources and money. Would the Minister advise that we will see the modernization and updating of our mental health legislation during the life of this Assembly, Mr. Speaker?

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Michael Miltenberger

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the rewriting of the Mental Health Act is on our legislative to-do list, but I don't anticipate that it will make it on to the doable legislative agenda. We are focussing right now before the House on the Tobacco Act, but the two major pieces that we now have to get done in this Assembly are the rewrite of the Public Health Act as well as the Pharmacy Act. We have dozens of other pieces of legislation that have to be updated, one of which is the Mental Health Act. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am well aware that Health and Social Services is the department with the single most pieces of legislation under its watch. The modernization of this act is not a small piece of work. It is going to require a lot of consultation across a lot of fields. It is important that we start this work, even if it is not something that is going to be achievable in the length of this Assembly. Would the Minister commit to at least considering starting the consultation process, working toward the rewrite of this act perhaps in the next Assembly, Mr. Speaker?

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