Debates of Dec. 7th, 1993

This is page numbers 471 - 516 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was community .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Finance Ministers' Conference

Winter Road From Fort Smith To Fort Chipewyan

Bravery Of David Kootook

Problems Of Teen Pregnancy

Appointment Of Jack Anawak As Parliamentary Secretary To Minister Of Diand

Lack Of Lighting From Assembly Building To Downtown

Return To Oral Question 90-12(4): Policy For Vehicles In Maintenance Compound

Further Return To Oral Question 143-12(4): Sand And Silt Problems In Coppermine River

Further Return To Oral Question 201-12(4): GNWT Contribution Towards Road, Fort Chipewyan

Further Return To Oral Question 119-12(4): Revision Of Wildlife Act

Further Return To Oral Question 196-12(4): Locations Of Units Sold Under Staff Housing Strategy

Return To Oral Question 178-12(4): Ads For Competition For Sanikiluaq Social Worker

Time Frame For Amendments To Wildlife Act

Letter From Status Of Women Council Re Social Services Workers

Reduction Of Social Assistance Payments

Commitment To Answer Outstanding Questions Before Prorogation

Consultation Prior To Non-native Adoptions

Canada/nwt Languages Agreement

Status On Call For Proposals For Banking Services

Canada/nwt Language Agreements

Regulation Of Sport Hunters In Fort Simpson Area

Department Accept Financial Responsibility For Stolen Vehicle

Client's Complaint With WCB Response On Appeal

Gjoa Haven Hunters' And Trappers' Association Proposal

Negotiations For Arctic Airports

Fort Smith Boundary

Contraction Of Anthrax By Mackenzie Bison

Status Of Negotiations With Cema

Committee Report 10-12(4): Standing Committee On Agencies, Boards And Commissions Final Report On The Northwest Territories Power Corporation

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Road Construction Through Wood Buffalo National Park

Amendments To The Hours Of Service Regulations And Large Vehicle Control Regulations

Bill 5: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 5, 1992-93

Bill 6: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94

Bill 5: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 5, 1992-93

Bill 6: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1994-95Committee Report 3-12(4): Review Of The 1994-95 Capital Estimates

To Adopt Recommendation 13

To Adopt Recommendation 17

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Mr. Ningark , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford

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---Prayer

Resignation Of Speaker

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Good afternoon. Before I proceed with the orders of the day, I have an announcement I would like to make. Friends, today I'm making an announcement that leaves me with a sense of regret and anticipation at the same time. I will be stepping down, retiring as it were, as Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories, at the conclusion of this session. It has been a tremendous honour to have been elected as your Speaker, and a tremendous challenge to have served in this important role for over two years.

Time has flown by and now is the appropriate time for me to move on to new challenges. The hectic task of building and opening the new Legislative Assembly is now complete. A new education program, consisting of tours, videos, information kits and educational packages for all our schools will be fully in place, by April, 1994.

It is the right time for a new person to move the office of the Speaker to its next stage. The role of Speaker is evolving as rapidly as is the Legislative Assembly, itself. The operation under the control of the Speaker is increasing, in its complexity and magnitude. During the difficult era of rapid change that we will experience during the next decade, it will become increasingly important to have a fair, impartial and steady hand at the tiller of the good ship Legislative Assembly, as we navigate uncharted waters.

It is again time for me to be directly involved in the political dynamics of the day and to be able to articulate my concerns and the concerns of my constituents on the floor of the House. I have no intention of seeking a Cabinet post during the next two years. I will be more than pleased to carry out my responsibility as an ordinary Member and on committees of this House.

I thank Members for respecting my decision. I also thank them for the honour they gave me in letting me preside over the official opening of the new Legislative Assembly building. I want to thank Deputy Speaker Pudluk, the Dean of the House, for his advice and assistance during my term and the chairs of committee of the whole, Mr. Ningark and Mr. Whitford . I would like to thank Mrs. Marie-Jewell and the Ordinary Members' Committee, and Madam Premier Cournoyea and her Cabinet for the courtesy and support they've shown me.

There have been times when there have been disagreements with my decisions, but everybody has always respected and followed them. I would like to thank Members of the Management and Services Board, Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Mr. Patterson , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Nerysoo , Ms. Mike and Mr. Pollard , for the many meetings they've endured, and the tough decisions they've made, to make this a better Assembly.

I want to take this opportunity to thank David Hamilton, Clerk of the Assembly, the table officers, the secretaries that have worked with me, Sharron Morrow and Anne Todd, my assistant, Paul Jones and all of our staff, our interpreters, our Hansard staff, our pages from all over the territories, Cabinet staff, and everyone who provides support to the Assembly. I believe they provide a service, second to none in this country. I will thank many of them by name in my first Member's statement.

Finally, I would like to thank my wife Penny, for her patience and understanding and my children, Erin, Alexandria and Nicholas, for letting me give up a big office that has a TV and a shower.

---Laughter

My retirement as Speaker will be effective on the day the commissioner prorogues the Fourth Session of the 12th Assembly. Thank you all very much.

---Applause

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Item 1: Prayer

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Point of order, Mr. Speaker. I wanted to deal with a concern raised by Mr. Koe yesterday.

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The Speaker

Point of order. Proceed please, Mr. Nerysoo .

Point Of Order

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Item 1: Prayer

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In considering your advice and in responding to the suggestion made by Mr. Koe , the MLA from Inuvik, that I had made allegations, otherwise known as unproven statements, that he was misleading the House when using quotes from the unedited Hansard. Mr. Speaker, I take seriously your remarks, directions and cautions to this House. Mr. Speaker, many Members have spoken in great detail and laid before this House complaints about misinterpretations or misrepresentation of Members' remarks, publicly, either through statements, public remarks, or published stories through the media.

I believe, Mr. Speaker, that your direction yesterday captured my concern. Mr. Speaker, I have risen, along with my colleagues on this side of the House and on that side, to state my concern about how quotations used or misused can lead to public impressions or release of information that does not capture the essence of the statements or remarks that are being made.

I believe that this institution is a good forum for public debate, and, as such, part of that debate requires my accountability. But it also requires the ability for me to challenge the remarks, information provided to me, or questions directed at me. Mr. Speaker, I also take seriously the role of Members and the institutions of this Legislature, including the rules adopted for addressing matters or reports with recommendations. I do not wish to create any impression that I do not want to be accountable.

In fact, Mr. Speaker, nothing could be further from the truth. Mr. Speaker, in this context, I apologize to the honourable -- and I use this word respectfully -- Member for Inuvik for suggesting that he may have misled the House. Even so, I would ask him to use all the quotations in the context they were presented and not present them in the normal media method of the so-called ten second sound bite.

Mr. Speaker, I hope that this House will accept my apology.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Nerysoo . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Pollard .

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Minister's Statement 48-12(4): Finance Ministers' Conference

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on December 1, 1993, the federal/provincial/territorial Ministers of Finance met in Halifax, Nova Scotia. The discussion centred around what can be done by governments in Canada to promote stronger growth and employment within their current fiscal constraints. The Canadian economy has not been growing as expected and jurisdictions in Canada are facing crippling deficits. There is a need, Mr. Speaker, to bolster confidence and to take government action which will promote stronger growth and job creation.

While a number of provinces were concerned that the federal government might act independently to reduce transfer payments, the foundation was laid to address financing and program issues cooperatively. A number of common objectives were identified which will require governments in Canada to make some difficult decisions. However, with some program restructuring, it is hoped that governments will be able to delivery their programs better, at less cost. Almost all provinces expressed a willingness to put all programs and financing issues on the table. At the same time, it was recognized that the basic objectives of our social programs must be preserved.

Ministers of Finance will be meeting again in early 1994, to more specifically address some federal proposals concerning the major transfers to the provinces, the reduction of overlap and duplication in some programs, monetary policy and changes to the tax system. While the Government of the Northwest Territories is not faced with the burgeoning deficit and debt problems of the provinces, we also do not have their revenue -raising capability. Our financial dependence on southern Canadian jurisdictions is enormous.

We must participate cooperatively in measures taken to limit the growth in government debt and to increase the efficiency of the public sector.

The work done in Halifax was a beginning. We will continue to work with Canada and the provinces to develop solutions which will reduce overlap and duplication in government, preserve our social programs and make them more affordable, and to orient policies and programs to foster stronger economic growth and employment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 48-12(4): Finance Ministers' Conference

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Pollard . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Winter Road From Fort Smith To Fort Chipewyan

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to take the opportunity to thank the Minister of Transportation and the Minister of Education for their support, in assisting with the winter road from Fort Smith to Fort Chipewyan.

Mr. Speaker, last year, Members will recall that Parks Canada had a very difficult time in keeping the road open to Fort Chipewyan. However, this year the Minister of Education has allowed the heavy equipment operators program to work on opening the road from Fort Smith to Fort Chipewyan. This has been greatly appreciated by my constituents.

I'd like to thank the heavy equipment operators' instructors, who are assisting in developing the opening of the road. The senior instructor, Don Tourangeau; instructors Gordon Mercredi and Raymond Tourangeau are to be commended for their work, in addition to the students who are training.

One of my constituents, Matthew Fraser, took annual leave and donated his time to help achieve the goal for the opening of the winter road. This is greatly appreciated. Mr. Speaker, we look forward to the opening of the road in the near future.

Mr. Speaker, this initiative must not go unnoticed. Members are aware, for the past six years as a Member of this House, I have been continually seeking support for a road south. The road which I believe is the most achievable, is the road from Fort Smith through Wood Buffalo Park to Fort Vermilion. In

today's fiscal climate, I believe this is the most cost-effective method in acquiring such a goal.

Mr. Speaker, since the Arctic College heavy equipment program is currently working on the opening of the winter road, I would encourage the Minister of Transportation to request the federal and Alberta governments to allow them to work on the road south to Fort Vermilion from Fort Smith.

I know this goal is one of a reality, in fact when the Right Honourable Prime Minister was here, he indicated his support for development of a winter road to Fort Vermilion.

Mr. Speaker, today I will give notice of motion for this Assembly to express its support for the construction of a road through Wood Buffalo National Park from Fort Smith to Fort Vermilion. I encourage Members of this House to assist my constituency in making what was once a dream, a reality.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again, thank you to the Honourable Ministers of Transportation and Education, and to the Cabinet and this House for their support.

---Applause

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Winter Road From Fort Smith To Fort Chipewyan

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .

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Bravery Of David Kootook

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On November 8, 1972, while on a medevac out of Cambridge Bay, the Beechcraft piloted by Martin Hartwell crashed into a hill side by Hottah Lake, east of Great Bear Lake. It was nighttime, it was cold. Nurse Judy Hill was killed outright. A pregnant mother under her care died two days later.

Mr. Hartwell was badly injured and was unable to fend for himself. Twelve year old David Kootook, the fourth passenger, was unhurt. Over the next 23 days, he helped pilot Hartwell to survive by building a shelter, foraging for food and fuel in the wreckage, providing firewood and companionship, until he died of starvation ten days short of rescue.

Mr. Speaker, this moving story is 21 years old today. Young David was only 12 at the time, and today his body lies buried in a simple grave in an Edmonton cemetery.

Recently, two businessmen in Edmonton convinced the city to recognize the heroics of this young man. A cairn in the shape of an inukshuk was erected in the city. The dedication and unveiling was attended by family members. While the heroic actions of young David are unquestionable in saving the life of the injured pilot, recognition of these efforts appear to have been overlooked by our government and the people of the region. At least, that is the impression that many people get. Several stories have appeared in the Edmonton Journal, suggesting that if it were not for the efforts of Mr. Ward and Mr.

Tadman, in Edmonton, these pieces of our history would have been lost, and young David's deeds forgotten.

Mr. Speaker, recent comments by some members of the Edmonton business community are confusing to the public of this region. We recognize too few of our heros and, certainly, to many people, young David's deeds and efforts need to be remembered and not forgotten. Thank you.

---Applause

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Bravery Of David Kootook

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Whitford . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Gargan .

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Problems Of Teen Pregnancy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today, in anger about the plague of our young people who find themselves caught in a situation that generally ends in disaster. I am talking, Mr. Speaker, about teen pregnancy.

Although we all see pregnant young girls in each and every one of our communities, each and every day, we have become indifferent to the pain and suffering these young girls will go through. We offer little compassion or support. These young girls experience feelings of abandonment. They are lost in a limbo land, between adult and childhood, neither group accepting them within their circle.

This anguished experience has dire consequences for these young people. Alcohol and drug abuse, as well as suicide and physical abuse and little resistance to adoption or response to adoption options, all stem from society's lack of response to this issue.

This government is doing an admirable job in addressing women's issues. Women now have rape shield laws and zero tolerance to violence policies. Advances are being made every day to assist women in taking their own place in society.

What are we doing for teens? We provide public information, safe sex campaigns, AIDs campaigns and conferences on teen sexual assaults, that is all. When it comes to teen pregnancies, it embarrasses me, Mr. Speaker, that very little is being said or done about it. Our government provides financial assistance, counselling and placement service to pregnant girls, but those are merely band-aid solutions. They do not deal with the problem of unwanted pregnancies, they are not preventative solutions. We pay lip service to our young people.

We say we are encouraging our youth to develop healthy life-styles and values when, in reality, Mr. Speaker, we are not really doing anything. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Gargan . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Appointment Of Jack Anawak As Parliamentary Secretary To Minister Of Diand

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My Speaker, it's my distinct pleasure to stand today to congratulate the Member from Pond Inlet, for Nunatsiaq, Jack Anawak, on his appointment as Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister officially announced this appointment yesterday, through the Minister of DIAND, during

the annual general meeting of the Nunavut Tunngavik group in Rankin Inlet.

Mr. Speaker, as Parliamentary Secretary, Mr. Anawak will assist the Honourable Ron Irwin with both his parliamentary and departmental responsibilities. Mr. Speaker, I had the opportunity to meet with the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development and Mr. Anawak this week, in Rankin Inlet. It was obvious, from our meetings and our private conversations, of the value that Mr. Irwin places on Mr. Anawak's opinion, particularly with regard to northern issues. I am confident that with the new responsibilities given to Mr.

Anawak, the views of the Northwest Territories will be well represented with both the Minister and the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development. The appointment of Mr. Anawak to this influential position, as well as the appointment last month of the Honourable Ethel Blondin-Andrew as Minister of State, sends a clear message of the importance that the Prime Minister places on the north. It also signals the tremendously able representation of the Northwest Territories by both Members of this Parliament. Mr. Speaker, I know that other Members of this House will join me in congratulating Mr.

Anawak in this important appointment.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Lack Of Lighting From Assembly Building To Downtown

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, last week in a Member's statement, I pointed out the need that was identified to me by a number of staff and visitors about the lack of lighting on the access way between here and the intersection just below the Explorer Hotel. I am not certain the message is clear, but I likened it to dealing with a broken sewer line or frozen water pipes; it's not something you assess the cost of and check competing costs for repairs. You get the job done as soon as it's identified.

In this case, I view it as an oversight in the planning of this great facility and I believe that all we need to do is have someone that is responsible and has the authority, to call the power company and ask them to set up the power poles so we can draw a power line along here, set up interim lighting arrangements, until more appropriate fixtures can be agreed on and ordered at a later date. At this time, we should act quickly and not trivialize the concerns raised by staff and visitors, particularly because the majority of those who raised this issue with us are women. Thank you.

---Applause

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Lack Of Lighting From Assembly Building To Downtown

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The Speaker

Thank you. I would like to note, since the Member's first statement, we have worked very hard on it. There's a process involved here and we are dealing with that process. We hope to report a conclusion to that process very shortly. Item 3, Members' statements. I would like to take this opportunity to recognize Chief James Ross in the public gallery. Welcome.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Return To Oral Question 90-12(4): Policy For Vehicles In Maintenance Compound

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have several returns to oral questions. One was asked by Mr. Dent on November 25, with respect to the policy for vehicles in the maintenance compound.

In response to a question asked by the Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake on November 25, I wish to advise that the departmental policy is to have all vehicle keys placed inside the office at the end of daily operations.

The incident referred to by the Member, occurred when a casual employee, in a hurry to get home, inadvertently left the keys in the rental vehicle. Steps have been taken to ensure that departmental policy will be followed in the future.

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Further Return To Oral Question 143-12(4): Sand And Silt Problems In Coppermine River

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I have a second return, Mr. Speaker, asked by Mr. Ng on November 30, with respect to sand and silt problems in the Coppermine River.

This is in response to questions from Mr. Ng , Member for Kitikmeot on November 30, with regard to a possible increase in Northern Transportation Company Limited's sea-lift rates to Coppermine. Senior officials at NTCL have assured the Department of Transportation that they have no intention to increase barge rates to Kitikmeot, and western Arctic communities, including Coppermine. NTCL also advised that, although there are draft restriction problems in the approaches to the sea-lift landing site, barges to Coppermine continue to be fully loaded.

The Canadian Coast Guard is responsible for ensuring safe conditions for commercial operators delivering cargo to western Arctic coast communities. In fact, the Coast Guard also owns and maintains the public wharf and landing in Coppermine. The Department of Transportation and the Canadian Coast Guard have been aware of the sand and silt problem in the Coppermine river delta for several years. Community suggestions, in 1990, to relocate the sea-lift landing to a new site located about seven kilometres west of Coppermine, have been evaluated.

Following consultations with the main sea-lift operator and the community stakeholders, department and Coast Guard officials concluded that the existing sea-lift site offered the best protection for NTCL's current operations. It is anticipated that some dredging may be required in the future to improve access for barges delivering cargo to the community landing.

As I mentioned, NTCL has no intention, I repeat, no intention of increasing barge costs to Coppermine, as a result of the sand and silt problem. The department and NTCL will continue to lobby the Coast Guard for dredging of problem areas in Coppermine, to ensure that sea-lift services to the community will not be disrupted.

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Further Return To Oral Question 201-12(4): GNWT Contribution Towards Road, Fort Chipewyan

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I have another return to oral question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on December 6, with respect to GNWT contribution toward the road in Fort Chipewyan.

In response to the Member for Thebacha's question yesterday, I can advise that the report in the Slave River Journal, of a $1 million GNWT contribution towards the cost of an all-weather road between Fort Smith and Fort McMurray, through Fort Chipewyan, is without foundation. No discussions have taken place about this matter with federal or Alberta officials.

Last one then, Mr. Speaker. This was a return to an oral question by Mr. Koe , on November 29, with respect to the report prepared on the Fort Resolution sawmill.

Further to the response to Mr. Koe , on November 29, the review of the Slave River Sawmill has been completed. In order to respond to Mr. Koe 's written question 30-12(3), the history of the mill had to be reconstructed, thus the delay in responding. The information put together is the best available and is as accurate as possible. It should be noted that there are few records available for the time the mill was privately owned. Few of the original documents respecting GNWT funding are readily available. Available government records, historical reports and audited financial statements from 1975 to 1987 were used to reconstruct the financial history of the mill.

Historical Territorial Government Involvement

The territorial government got involved in the operation in Fort Resolution in the mid 1960s. All private mills in the area were closed, the local economy was stagnant and residents dependent on welfare. Economic stimulus was required. The cooperative movement was encouraged to become involved in the area and, in 1965, the Fort Resolution Cooperative Association was formed to establish a sawmill. During the 1965-66 fiscal year, the GNWT invested $35,000 in the mill. The mill, over the years, has provided many benefits to the people of Fort Resolution; training, jobs, a decrease in dependence on social assistance and an enlarging of the Fort Resolution economy.

Since 1965-66, the Government of the Northwest Territories has invested $4.2 million in the operation through contributions, grants and direct payments. In addition, the territorial government advanced $993,000 in loans, of which $529,000 has been converted to grants, written off or forgiven.

Existing records provide very little detail as to the purposes of grants and contributions. Financial statements indicate that some contributions were used to purchase fixed assets but do not give the purchase price or list the assets purchased. Fixed asset purchases were accounted for as deferred government assistance and the value was amortized at the same rate as corresponding fixed assets.

Other contributions and direct payments were provided for operating assistance and to cover off bank loans. Again, financial statements do not detail exactly how specific contributions were used.

The mill has also received funding from the federal government. Various departments and agencies have invested at least $3.3 million in the operation through grants and contributions. The mill received some loans from the federal government.

Production

Between 1965 and 1986, over 30 million board feet of lumber was produced at the mill.

Employment And Income

Employment records for the mill are sketchy, but reports done over the years provide some indication of employment levels. During the years 1965 to 1968, for example, 113 individuals worked in the mill. These were not full-time jobs, as the mill only averaged 17 person years of employment each year. People combined work in the mill with pursuing traditional life-styles. The numbers suggest that a large number of people received training that could be applied in the future. By 1986, the mill averaged 40 direct person years of employment.

Information on earnings is more complete than that on numbers of people employed. From 1975 to 1987, $3 million, 31 per cent of the operating expenditures for the period was paid to employees (salaries and benefits), most of whom were residents of Fort Resolution. These figures do not include employees of contractors. The number of contractors used by the mill for logging and hauling, between 1975 and 1987, is not known, but available information indicates that over 18 per cent of expenditures, $1.7 million, went towards these activities.

Plans To Reopen The Mill

In late 1992, the Northwest Territories Development Corporation was approached by the community of Fort Resolution to inquire about the possibility of reopening the sawmill. In January of 1993, the Development Corporation responded in the affirmative.

The Development Corporation negotiated a deal with the community. Nuni (Ye) Forest Product Ltd. would sell the mill and all the harvest permits to a Development Corporation subsidiary in exchange for preferred shares issued to Nuni (Ye) in the amount of the appraised value of the mill. Northern Forest Products Ltd., a Development Corporation majority-owned subsidiary, would manage the mill and the mill would only remain open when the price of lumber would allow for profitable operation. No subsidy is planned once the mill is up and running.

In February of 1993, the band council, Nuni (Ye) Forest Products Ltd...

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

...I have been gone for a week....

---Laughter

...and the community council all agreed to the framework proposed in the agreement. The Development Corporation board accepted the proposal on March 5, 1993.

The Development Corporation investment will be in the form of money provided for capital purchases, retirement of astounding debts -- not astounding, sorry -- outstanding debts...

---Laughter

...some might say astounding -- and one-time start up costs of $820,000 and working capital of $700,000. The Development Corporation's total proposed investment is $1.52 million. The capital purchases include the cost of repairing the existing mill, the purchase of new equipment and the acquisition of an office.

It is expected that the mill will employ about 16 community residents. Additional jobs will be created as logging of the Slave River lowlands will be carried out by Fort Resolution residents. The sawmill production is targeted at five million board feet per year. It has been estimated that there is enough wood in the Slave River lowlands to support this production pace for 20 to 25 years. It is anticipated logging activities will begin in January of 1994, with milling in February or March of 1994.

Closure Of The Mill

A number of factors lead to the demise of the mill operation. Some of the major causes of the demise of the mill were:

- from its beginning, new operations were hampered by poor equipment;

- the mill had a reputation for being unreliable and for not having a quality product, and to eradicate this reputation, sold lumber at lower than cost prices to attract the buyers;

- management fraud;

- in March of 1987, the Slave River Sawmill Ltd. entered into an agreement with the Native Economic Development Program (NEDP) for funding. The first payment was delayed because all conditions were not met resulting in the new mill not being completed until well beyond milling season, thus remaining inoperative;

- poor weather caused a delay in the 1987 to 1988 logging season, but the NEDP pressured management to move forward before further assistance would be forthcoming. The company broke its contract with the logging contractor and retained the service of another, resulting in a further delay and the logging quota for the year not being met.

Other factors contributed to the unsuccessful operation of the mill. For example, instead of selling logs for firewood to raise working capital, logs were given away to community members. Lumber was sold to a southern company. When the truck arrived, no one was hired to load the vehicle and the truck returned south empty. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It was somewhat lengthy, but important.

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Welcome back, Mr. Todd .

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Further Return To Oral Question 119-12(4): Revision Of Wildlife Act

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Koe on November 29. The Department of Renewable Resources recognizes that amendments are required to the existing Wildlife Act in relation to the various land claim agreements. The department is currently developing options for my review on how to make those amendments and how to consult with all the organizations that must be involved. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mrs. Jeannie Marie-Jewell on locations of units sold under the staff housing strategy. On December 6, Mrs. Marie-Jewell asked for the locations of the houses sold under the housing strategy. Over 90 units have been sold to date, so an oral reply would be rather lengthy.

I have, therefore, provided the information requested in a letter to the Member. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Morin . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Minister Mike .

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Return To Oral Question 178-12(4): Ads For Competition For Sanikiluaq Social Worker

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Arngna'naaq on December 2, 1993, regarding ads for competition for Sanikiluaq social worker. The initial advertisement to fill this vacancy was published in Nunatsiaq News and News/North newspapers. The competition closed on July 23, 1993. One application was received, but this person was not qualified.

A second advertisement was placed in the same newspapers with the closing date of September 17, 1993.

This time there were two qualified northern candidates. Both were invited to interviews on October 10, 1993. Both withdrew before the interviews took place.

The advertisement also attracted three southern applicants. Two of them were invited to interviews and one was considered suitable for appointment. However, reference checks were negative and an offer was not made.

In each of these three attempts to find a replacement, the vacancy was advertised throughout the NWT by means of standard competition posters in all community GNWT offices and other locations.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Mr. Speaker, I have another return to an oral question asked by Mr. Whitford on December 2, 1993, regarding use of French newspapers for advertising competitions. All competitions for positions which have a specific requirement for a knowledge of the French language are advertised in L'Aquilon as a supplement to all other advertising methods.

This year, two special advertisements were placed with L'Aquilon. One was for a research writer and the other was for a bilingual motor vehicles clerk. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Minister. Mike. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Koe .

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Question 206-12(4): Time Frame For Amendments To Wildlife Act

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 477

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Renewable Resources . In his response today to a question I asked last week on revisions to the Northwest Territories Wildlife Act, and my concern about the recent signing of land claim agreements, specifically the Gwich'in, the Sahtu and the Nunavut claim, the Minister responded that the department is considering options. My question to the Minister is, what time frame are you looking at when considering these options?

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the record of making amendments and implementing wildlife agreements and different agreements with claims is varied. But, I do know that the specific amendments we're trying to move forward with now are just in regard to the Inuvialuit final agreement, an agreement that was reached some eight years ago. So, that gives you some idea about the difficulties in moving ahead in this area.

Having said that, we now have the TFN agreement to contend with, and the Gwich'in final agreement. By March we will have the Sahtu final agreement as well. There is the possibility in the next two years of the North Slave Dogrib Nation reaching some agreement. So, the department is looking at the types of amendments that are coming down, as a result of these agreements and will be making some suggestions about how we proceed to realign our legislation to meet the requirements set out in those agreements. Thank you.

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Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I am a little concerned about the process. I know it is lengthy, as you indicated with the Inuvialuit final agreement. My supplementary is it has taken six years plus to revise the act to reflect the Inuvialuit final agreement. What is the status now of those revisions and when do you propose to present a revised act?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I understand the wildlife agreement in relation to the Inuvialuit final agreement is now at a stage where the actual wording for legislative amendments are agreed to. It simply needs to go through the process, in-house here.

What the Member may be trying to get at is how long will it take myself, as Minister of Renewable Resources , to put a time frame together with a mutually-agreed to process, for reaching agreement with the different organizations on the exact wording in the wildlife agreement. That is something that I can't answer at this time. I have identified it as a problem that needs to be moved on. As soon as there is adequate time to sit down and have an extensive discussion with officials I will be doing that. Thank you.

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Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The wildlife provisions of the land claim act are key and integral to the whole settlement of claims. My supplementary to the Minister is, what process of consultation will you be using to involve the other claimant groups in making revisions to the act?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the process, if it hasn't been used before, which I would follow is to have a process that is mutually agreeable to all parties to reach wording on the amendments, so that whatever legislative amendments come before this House will be the wording agreed to by the claimant group. Thank you.

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Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Dent .

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Question 207-12(4): Letter From Status Of Women Council Re Social Services Workers

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 478

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Social Services . Mr. Speaker, all Members were sent a copy of a letter from the Status of Women Council to the Minister of Social Services dated November 26, 1993. My first question, Mr. Speaker, is has the Minister reviewed this letter?

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Minister Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Are you saying Mr. Mike or Minister Mike , Mr. Speaker?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I have received the letter. Thank you.

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Supplementary, Mr. Dent .

---Laughter

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wouldn't want to be confused with a Minister.

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, the letter outlines a number of very serious problem areas faced by social workers in the NWT, most of which, in fact, were also highlighted by the report of the Special Committee on Health and Social Services. The Status of Women Council has urged the Minister to meet with the Ministers of Health, Finance and Justice, as a first step to properly allocate responsibility for many of the activities currently undertaken by social workers and to address their current, overtaxed work situation. Mr.

Speaker, I was wondering if the Minister could advise us if she has yet met with the Ministers of Health, Finance and Justice in an attempt to deal with the proper allocation of duties for social workers?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just received the letter last week, so I have not had time to talk to the Ministers yet. But, as soon as there is time for all three of us can sit down together I will do that. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am glad to hear that the Minister has agreed that she will, in fact, meet with the other Ministers. I would like to ask her for a commitment to provide an answer to this House before we finish sitting, before Christmas.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thought I just said a few minutes ago that I would do that, as soon as all the Ministers are present in Yellowknife. Thank you.

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Question 208-12(4): Reduction Of Social Assistance Payments

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 478

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Social Services . I have received a letter from Gjoa Haven with regard to social assistance recipients. The letter states that on October 8, 1993, social assistance was reduced. My question is why was this reduced? The prices of food and clothing are getting higher. That is my question, Mr. Speaker.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During the second week of October, I wrote a letter to Members of the Legislative Assembly stating information with regard to the reduction of the social assistance rate. The reduction was made after we did a study on the price of food in the communities. The reduction in the communities were Pelly Bay, Spence Bay and Gjoa Haven.

I also want to inform the Member for Natilikmiot regarding the freight which is subsidized by the government. I think the social assistance rate was reduced after the study of the food prices.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. I understand there is a subsidy to the freight in Pelly Bay, but in Spence Bay and Gjoa Haven there is no such subsidy. In Gjoa Haven, people are sometimes able to work during wildlife...(inaudible)...but sometimes they not able to hunt wildlife. I would like to find out if the Minister has received a letter with regard to the season when there is no time to hunt, in the second part of the year. Some of the communities like Gjoa Haven, don't hunt in a particular part of the year.

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Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have not received a letter from any of the communities.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

(Translation) Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. I would like to be provided a copy of this study the Minister is talking about. Thank you.

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Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you. I will, as usual, provide you with a copy. Thank you.

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Question 209-12(4): Commitment To Answer Outstanding Questions Before Prorogation

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Government Leader . Mr. Speaker, recognizing that prorogation is coming near and there are a few outstanding oral and written questions, I'd like to ask the Government Leader if she would make a commitment, on behalf of her Cabinet, to attempt to answer the outstanding written and oral questions to this House. Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I began that process today and I can make that commitment. Thank you.

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Question 210-12(4): Consultation Prior To Non-native Adoptions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) I'd like to say something today. I made a statement about women's and children's issues, so I'd like to ask the Minister of Social Services a question. In the Northwest Territories there are some women who have babies. I'd like to know why, if there is an adoption, those children are given to non-aboriginal people? Why is there no proper consultation? Why isn't there any advice to these women who have children? Before the adoption goes through, is there any prior planning or anything done? This is why I'd like to ask the Minister, is there anything she's going to do on this issue? Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In some communities there is a counsellor in the school. I think the service is provided, but I don't know what it's like in other communities where there is no student counsellor in place for young pregnant women. I will have to take his question as notice. Thank you.

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Question 211-12(4): Canada/nwt Languages Agreement

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I realize the Minister responsible for aboriginal languages is the Premier . Since the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment has been answering questions, I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Mr.

Speaker, in reviewing unedited Hansard of last week and yesterday, I'm under the impression, along with the other Members, that after the Secretary of State announcement of ten per cent cuts, the department or the government went back to negotiating and was able to negotiate four per cent for French and ten per cent for aboriginal languages. I wonder if the Minister is prepared to inform this House of this agreement. Thank you.

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Madam Premier , are you taking the question?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I will look at the unedited Hansard and I will propose to have that question answered tomorrow, so it's taken as notice. Thank you.

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Question 212-12(4): Status On Call For Proposals For Banking Services

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Page 479

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance . In view of the lack of formal financial institutions in most of our communities, and in some cases some entire regions, such as Kitikmeot, I'd like to ask the Minister what the status is of the government's proposal call for banking services to the Northwest Territories and to the government.

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Minister Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The closing date for the proposals was Friday, December 3. We had issued six sets of documents to six financial institutions. Analysis of those documents will start this week. On Thursday, just before noon, I'll be meeting with the deputy minister of Finance, who will give me an initial read of the proposals that we've received. An analysis of those proposals will take, I judge, until the end of December, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

I ask the Minister, what criteria will be used for evaluating these proposals?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, it's been some 20 years that we've been dealing with the same bank. Obviously, a lot of issues have changed with regard to banking technology, methods of banking and now we're looking at, in the future, some different kinds of technologies with which people across Canada will bank. We will be taking into consideration the technology, the value for the dollars expended, the kinds of services offered by a financial institution, not only to the Government of the Northwest Territories but to other places in the Northwest Territories.

As I said when we first put the proposal call out, some weight will be given to looking at the problem of provision of financial services to the areas in the Northwest Territories that are not provided with financial service by the banks, at the present time. As I've said in interviews, Mr. Speaker, it may not be the kind of banking that we're looking at now, where there are tellers, a building and a counter, where you go in and deal across the counter. We've asked the banks to look down the road to the next set of technology.

We're at money machines right now but there may be other things out there that will enable people to bank in the Northwest Territories and have access to those financial aids that financial institutions provide.

Those are some of the criteria that we'll be looking at, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 213-12(4): Canada/nwt Language Agreements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The question is to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . The Minister's very familiar with the Canada/Northwest Territories cooperation agreement on aboriginal languages and French, 1984-91 and 1991-94, because he, in fact, negotiated the very first agreement. Would the Minister confirm that in both of these agreements there is a provision that inter-project transfers may be made in any particular year by the Northwest Territories, provided that these transfers do not increase or decrease, in total, an amount exceeding 25 per cent of the original amount proposed for the project? Would he confirm that that is in both agreements?

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Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the latest language agreement allows for 25 per cent between activities. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the event that the Government of the Northwest Territories wants to transfer money between projects under this agreement, there is a requirement that written authorization must be provided by the federal government before that can happen. Would the Minister indicate whether such authorization has ever been given to this government for such a transfer to be made beyond the 25 per cent?

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Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I will have to take that question as notice.

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Question 214-12(4): Regulation Of Sport Hunters In Fort Simpson Area

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 480

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm going to be saying this sincerely. Mr. Speaker, in Fort Simpson there is an organization that works with young people who trap out on the land. There is an area of land that they do their trapping on. Last June 15, 1993, there were new regulations issued by the Department of Renewable Resources. When people from that area do their trapping they don't catch enough moose or caribou. I think they were over-hunted. How does the Department of Renewable Resources watch the sport hunters in that area? How do they regulate how much game that they hunt in that area? I'm posing this question to the Minister of Renewable Resources . Thank you.

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preamble to oral questions should be just sufficient to set up the question. It shouldn't take the place of a Member's statement. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I understand the sport hunters that come up here are given clear understanding of the type of animal that they can hunt. It's usually limited to mature male animals, and there's a quota on the number that they can legally harvest. The sport hunter operators that take them out are obliged to monitor that. While we don't have enforcement officers out with every sport hunter, we do try to monitor, as much as we can, what the sport hunters are doing. There is good cooperation from the hunting outfitters in this regard. Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

in Fort Simpson have gone into the mountains, returned back and reported that they came back empty handed because they couldn't find any game. My concern is also that in Wrigley they have gone hunting...The question is, what happens to the meat of these trophy animals that are taken by the big game hunters? Big game hunters hunt only for the horns and the antlers, they take that home, what happens to the meat?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I think the department had taken some steps with the outfitters to make some arrangements this past season to take the meat of animals harvested by sport hunters to the nearest community and distribute it there to the residents. How well it is done, I am not aware. I can tell the Member that I know there was an effort made by the department to fly meat out where it was economic, convenient and possible to do so and to pass out the meat to the neighbouring communities. I can ask the department to give Members a status report on the success of that initiative, which I knew they were preparing to get into in the spring. Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister with regard to this particular problem. Big game hunting was put into effect without the Government of the Northwest Territories back in 1971. And, of course, it was without the involvement of the local people whose traditional areas were carved up. The majority of them were set aside for big game outfits out of the territories. Is there any way that local communities could get involved in the process of issuing licenses so that there will be more monitoring, since you've said these big game hunters are obliged to monitor themselves? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, there are a number of outfitters in the Northwest Territories. As the Member said, the licenses to operate were issued some years ago. I know the question of whether the people of the north, particularly aboriginal people, should have the first right to purchase and own these has come up, particularly during the course of claims negotiations. In fact, one group, for sure, has right of first refusal, and both regional claims have those clauses in their agreements.

How people could get involved in monitoring these is a good question. What I understand is that these operators go into the mountains or out in the barren lands, wherever they operate, and they know that one of the conditions of their license is that they operate within the laws set up by the Government of the Northwest Territories. We know that none of them condone any illegal hunting or any infraction of the laws that govern these provisions.

Some of these operators, as well, hire northern people, aboriginal people, as guides and workers so there is some assurance for local people that what is going on out there is fully within the laws, and the outfits are run by good, honest, hard-working people. I have no specific suggestions to make about how to reassure people that these operations are not breaking any laws. I have to believe they are working within the provisions and laws they are bound by. When they come out with their trophies, there are tags that are bound to the antlers and other trophies that come out. Those are the ways we can reassure ourselves that things are being done in a rational manner. Thank you.

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As I've reminded Members about the length of their

preambles, I will also remind Ministers about their responses. Responses to oral questions should be short and factual. Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't think I got an answer in that, but I'll try again.

---Laughter

My concern is that there are a number of operators, eight that operate in the Mackenzie mountains. Two are from Whitehorse, two are from BC, three are from Alberta, and one is from Norman Wells. In my area, I don't think meat has come into my communities from their kills, nor have their been any guides hired from my community. And, besides, they are not monitored. The games officers don't monitor them.

The people are coming to me saying they're concerned that they are taking too many animals. I'm asking if there is any way that communities could get involved in monitoring these big game hunters? Perhaps through a committee set up in that area, to issue a number of tags, or so forth. Conservation is a big issue in the north. You have polar bear quotas, and you have caribou quotas. We don't know how much is taken out of the mountains. It is unknown. If the big game hunters are coming in there and killing as much as they want, we don't know. So, I'm asking the Minister if there is any system in place where we could get involved, at the community level, to monitor these hunters?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I know that the claims negotiations process is used as one way in which people can get involved in outfitting, or else give themselves assurance that the ownership of such things in their areas will certainly come to their table at some time, especially if there is change of ownership contemplated. Having said that, there are a couple of other possibilities.

One is, if the community wants to look at it as an economic development initiative, the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism is more than willing -- or if he isn't, he will be --

---Laughter

to meet with communities and regions to discuss their interest in areas like this. Apparently, he has recently written to the chief of Wrigley to indicate if Wrigley wishes to discuss interest in the Mackenzie mountains outfitting business, that they would be prepared to meet with the community to do that.

Strictly from a harvester's point of view, if the people of Simpson, for instance, wish to discuss how they may become more knowledgeable and involved in the operations of these outfitters, and if they wish to take a more hands-on approach, the Department of Renewable Resources will be very happy to set up a meeting to discuss ways in which people may wish to pursue that objective. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this question is for the Minister of Transportation . I would like to thank the Minister for his response earlier today. I'm happy to hear that the Department of Transportation policy requires keys for vehicles to be left in the office at the end of the day, and not in the vehicles.

Since the Minister has said that the incident, in which a vehicle was stolen and seriously damaged, was a result of a breech of departmental policy, I'd like to ask if the Minister will now recognize his moral responsibility and direct the department to take financial responsibility for the serious mistake of leaving the keys in that vehicle and pay for the damage that happened as a result of that vehicle being stolen?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I thought it was a financial responsibility, not a moral one. It's my understanding, Mr. Speaker, I believe it's Yellowknife Motors -- friends of Mr. Dent 's, I understand -- who have now filed a claim...

---Laughter

...Well, it must be -- a claim with the insurance agent. The recovery of the costs from the GNWT will be subject to discussions between the company's insurer and the government's insurer. The reason for the situation today is to avoid jeopardizing the insurance company's position. We are in a situation where we're obliged to not comment on the dispute as it currently sits. Does that answer the question?

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Question 216-12(4): Client's Complaint With WCB Response On Appeal

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Back in 1991, Dennis Patterson was the Minister of the Workers' Compensation Board. I wrote to him about a gentleman by the name of Frederick Sabourin, who was working on a building. He had an accident during that time and has collected workers' compensation for that. In the fall of that same year, I went to see this person. Dennis Patterson wrote to me in February, and on April 8, this individual went to see the doctor. The doctor was a bone specialist.

At that time, he discussed with the doctor that he had written to the Workers' Compensation Board about what the doctor had found out after he examined him. Ever since that time, he hasn't heard back from the Workers' Compensation Board. I'd like to ask the Minister if there is anything going to be done about this. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

As I stated earlier, last week in the House, I believe, there are over 3,000 claims that come before the Workers' Compensation Board. There are, currently, 44 outstanding. I'm not in a position today to respond to the honourable Member but I will look into it and get back to him by tomorrow. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

(Translation) The Minister said, there are about over 3,000 appeals still waiting. At the time he wrote to the Workers' Compensation Board, I don't think there were that many appeals ahead of him. About the time he wrote to the Workers' Compensation Board, how many appeals were there then? How much longer does this person have to wait?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I want to correct my statement, if it was misinterpreted. There are currently 44 appeals being looked into by the chairman of the appeals board. It's 44 appeals outstanding and three pending. As I said earlier, I don't have the details of this particular situation. I will get back to the Member as quickly as I can, based upon the information he has given me and my discussions with the chairman, Mr. Gilmour, either later this evening or tomorrow morning. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, transportation is a very important part of the community. I will direct my question to the honourable Minister responsible for Economic Development and Tourism . Transportation is a very important part of the community, where the community

depends on hunting, trapping, and commercial fishing for subsistence use, or whatever the requirement may be. Such a community which depends on transportation, especially during the summer and fall, is Gjoa Haven. Gjoa Haven, Mr. Speaker, is situated on an island. Given that fact, the hunters' and trappers' association of Gjoa Haven has made a formal proposal, I'm sure directed to the Department of Economic Development and Tourism, through the regional office. I wonder if the honourable Minister is aware of such a proposal. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Just a point of clarification, Mr. Speaker. Is this the proposal as it relates to a freight subsidy for flying meat and fish into the Cambridge Bay plant? I just need to get a clarification.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm speaking for the people of Gjoa Haven. The Gjoa Haven Hunters' and Trappers' Association has, in fact, made a proposal through the regional office in Cambridge Bay. They wanted to acquire a seagoing vessel to transport meat from the mainland to the island, for commercial fisheries and sometimes for emergency purposes. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, Mr. Speaker, I am very aware of that proposal. We are currently looking at the possibility of a vessel. However, I have to caution everybody, we have to take a hard look at getting maximum utilization out of it. That's currently being reviewed by the department. Thank you.

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