Debates of March 10th, 2015

This is page numbers 6103 – 6138 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was work .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Passing Of Tom Butters

Improving The Income Security Program

Renewed GNWT Approach To Conservation Planning In The Northwest Territories

Auditor General Report On Corrections In The Northwest Territories – Department Of Justice

NWT Housing Corporation Care Program

Tourism Opportunities In The Deh Cho

Cost Of Living Issues

Languages Legislation

Mental Health Preventative Services

Pedestrian Safety On Highway No. 3 At Niven Lake Access

Economic Benefits Of Resource Development

Agricultural Land Strategy

On-The-Land Program In The Mackenzie Delta

Return To Oral Question 742-17(5): Auditor General Report On Corrections In The Northwest Territories – Department Of Justice

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Agricultural Land Strategy

Economic Benefits Of Resource Development

Highway No. 3 At Niven Lake Pedestrian Safety

Rehabilitation And Prevention Services

Languages Legislation

Power Rates And Distribution

Supporting The Tourism Industry

NWT Housing Corporation Care Program

On-The-Land Programs In The Beaufort-Delta

Increases In Income Security Program

Niven Lake Pedestrian Safety

Missing And Murdered Aboriginal Women And Girls

Written Question 27-17(5): Horizontally Fractured Wells In The Northwest Territories

Committee Report 13-17(5): Report On The Review Of Bill 42:

An Act To Amend The Residential Tenancies Act

Motion To Receive Committee Report 13-17(5) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole

Tabled Document 221-17(5): Rules Of The Legislative Assembly Of The Northwest Territories Dated May 27, 2015

Tabled Document 222-17(5): Private Member’s Bill –

An Act To Amend The Mental Health Act

Tabled Document 223-17(5): Micro-Brewery Taxation Models

Repeal And Replace Rules Of The Legislative Assembly Of The Northwest Territories

Extended Adjournment Of The House To May 27, 2015

Bill 50: Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures), 2015-2016

Bill 51: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 5, 2014-2015

Bill 52: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures), No. 3, 2014-2015

Bill 53: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2015-2016

Bill 54:

An Act To Amend The Forest Management Act

Bill 49:

An Act To Amend The Deh Cho Bridge Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Information And Privacy Legislation For Municipalities

Comprehensive Review Of ATIPP Act

Access To Privacy By Design

Implementation Of The Health Information Act

Delays And Breaches Under ATIPP

Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

Members Present

Hon. Glen Abernethy , Hon. Tom Beaulieu , Ms. Bisaro , Mr. Blake , Mr. Bouchard , Mr. Bromley , Mr. Dolynny , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Hawkins , Hon. Jackie Jacobson , Hon. Jackson Lafferty , Hon. Bob McLeod , Hon. Robert McLeod , Mr. Menicoche , Hon. Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Moses , Mr. Nadli , Hon. David Ramsay , Mr. Yakeleya

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon,

colleagues.

Item

Ministers’

statements. Honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 183-17(5): Passing Of Tom Butters

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, the North lost one of the true pioneers of governance in the NWT with the passing of Tom Butters. Tom served in the Legislative Assembly from 1970 to 1991. As one of the longest serving MLAs in the North, his respectful and steady approach was admired by those who served with him.

The flags outside the Legislative Assembly have been lowered to half-mast today out of respect for Tom Butters and all he did for the people of the Northwest Territories.

Born in Vancouver, BC, in 1925, Mr. Butters moved North in 1947. He was a prospector in the Yukon and worked on the Alaska Highway with the Department of National Defence before joining the federal Department of Northern Affairs and Natural Resources as a northern services officer in Ottawa, Churchill and Baker Lake.

He moved to Inuvik in 1961 and became regional administrator in 1963. He left the government two years later to establish the local weekly newspaper, the Drum

– now the Inuvik Drum – to serve the

Inuvik area, and he established a travel business in the Western Arctic. Tom also served a term on Inuvik town council, where he was deputy mayor, before running in the 1970 territorial election.

Tom Butters was elected five times by the people of Inuvik and served in 13 different ministerial portfolios including:

Minister of Natural and Cultural Affairs

Minister of Economic Development and Tourism

Minister of Social Services

Minister of Health

Minister of Education , Justice and Public

Services

Minister of the Public Utilities Board

Minister of Finance

Minister of Government Services

Minister of Energy , Mines and Resources

Secretariat

Minister of Housing Corporation

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs

It was during his time as Finance Minister that Tom took on the responsibility for the GNWT finances. Until that time the Commissioner, appointed by Ottawa, had controlled the financial portfolio. Tom worked tirelessly to ensure a smooth transition. Notably it was during his tenure as Minister that the northern residents tax deduction was introduced.

Tom was a hard worker and famous for his early breakfast meetings, something that appears to be a necessary characteristic for any Finance Minister . He was a very good listener and a fair man. He was soft-

spoken, open to others’ ideas and treated

everyone with respect.

It is fitting, and certainly no coincidence, that such a man played a key

part in the independence of the Northwest Territories. This earned him membership in the Order of Canada in 1994.

Mr. Speaker, I invite Members to join me in thanking Tom Butters for all he contributed to the Northwest Territories and Nunavut, for the legacy he left every one of us, even those who never met him. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 183-17(5): Passing Of Tom Butters

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Premier McLeod. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister's Statement 184-17(5): Improving The Income Security Program

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment provides a better quality of life for some of the most vulnerable residents of the Northwest Territories through its Income Security Program.

I’d like to

speak today about a significant improvement that is being made to the Income Assistance program as well as two very important initiatives that are underway.

Starting in April 2015, income assistance clients will receive more money for food and incidental expenses. These benefits will continue to increase each year for the next four years. The increases to these benefits will allow our clients to receive benefit levels that reflect the actual cost of healthy foods for their families regardless of the community they live in. Healthy, educated people who are free from poverty is a goal of this Assembly, and making this vital enhancement to the Income Assistance program will help meet this goal.

I am also pleased to report on a joint initiative that is underway with our colleagues at the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation. ECE will be transferring

the

NWT

Housing

Corporation

responsibility for administration of 75 market housing units available to income assistance clients. There will be 55 units in Yellowknife, 10 units in Inuvik, and 10 units in Hay River. Income assistance clients in these units will have reduced rent, and resources are being transferred from ECE to the NWTHC to operate them, so it will be cost neutral to the GNWT. People in these units will also experience an easier transition to the workforce due to the Housing Corporation’s graduated rent to income scheme.

Mr. Speaker, I’ve said before that our people are our territory’s greatest resource. Having more skilled NWT residents entering the workforce will strengthen our economy.

We are working to improve the NWT labour force through the creation of five new employment officer positions. These positions will provide individual support to employable income assistance clients so they are able to gain employment or enter into training programs. The intent of these new positions is to further reduce income assistance caseloads, which have continued to decrease over the past five years.

Mr. Speaker, addressing high living costs and giving Northerners the tools they need to find and keep work, including stable housing, are priorities for this government. I am proud of the innovative approaches and work completed to support and contribute to this Assembly’s goals of Northerners leading healthy successful lives free from poverty. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 184-17(5): Improving The Income Security Program

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister's Statement 185-17(5): Renewed GNWT Approach To Conservation Planning In The Northwest Territories

Ministers’ Statements

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, with more than 4,338 interrelated species and counting, the state of biodiversity in the Northwest

Territories provides us a rare chance unavailable in most other regions in Canada or the world: the ability to proactively plan a healthy future for land, water, wildlife and people. Our land, rich in biodiversity, contributes to the high quality of life we all enjoy in the NWT. Our food security and traditional economy rely on maintaining biodiversity and ecosystem integrity in the North. Making sure land in the NWT remains healthy for future generations is a priority of the Government of the Northwest Territories.

A key premise of devolution is that decisions influencing our economy and environment are best guided and managed by the people who live here. As such, the GNWT developed the Land Use and Sustainability Framework for lands management. This

means

making

balanced,

collaborative

decisions respectful of Aboriginal and treaty rights in the context of sound environmental stewardship. To do this, we consider ecological, social, cultural and economic values in our decision-making to ensure maximum benefits to current and future generations.

We acknowledge the significant contributions of our regional and community partners through the Protected Areas Strategy. We have worked together to successfully define the natural capital of many special areas, initiate discussions on the management and monitoring of candidate areas and, in many instances, have begun the important collaborative

decision-making

phase

the

establishment process.

We are proceeding with a made-in-the-North approach to conservation planning to ensure biodiversity and ecosystem integrity are maintained into the future. Devolution has provided an opportunity for the people of the NWT to create new conservation areas using “northern tools,” allowing for increased participation in and accountability for the management of these areas.

We have adapted conservation science methods used elsewhere in Canada and around the world to identify the NWT’s ecologically representative core areas and assess gaps. We will work with communities to outline mutual objectives for territorial designations, shared governance and management. Objectives that support balanced land decisions made collaboratively by Northerners and fit within a broad comprehensive conservation planning approach, one that includes land use planning, park and protected areas establishment, and ecological representation network planning.

Collectively, these initiatives will ensure the progress of responsible economic development in the context of sound environmental stewardship.

As we proceed with our northern approach to conservation planning, we will be looking for partners. Some of the most successful initiatives in the NWT, such as the transboundary water

negotiations, the Species at Risk Conference of Management Authorities, or the new Wildlife Act, were only possible through collaboration. We know that in order to be successful, to create the best conservation network possible, true collaboration and partnerships must continue.

The timing is right to prepare for our future. It is important to take advantage of the science behind best practices, such as ecological representation for managing land use and creating core areas, and combine it with traditional knowledge from our Aboriginal partners. When we work together using the best information available, we ensure the development of a culturally, environmentally and economically sustainable Northwest Territories.

People of the NWT want a healthy land for their grandchildren. The NWT has a rare opportunity to be a leader in conservation and apply lessons learned elsewhere in the world and across Canada to achieve sustainable resource management. It is far more efficient to preserve land now than try to restore land later. A new NWT conservation network not only maintains our unique northern landscapes, it also provides more clarity and certainty for developers, industry, residents of the NWT and beyond. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 3, Members’ statements. Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Auditor General Report On Corrections In The Northwest Territories – Department Of Justice

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I just want to make a few brief comments on the Auditor General’s report on Justice and corrections that was tabled, and there was a press conference last week with the folks from the Auditor General’s office.

The work of any of the departments in our government, including the Department of Justice, is an ongoing work in progress. We all know that none of these departments is everything they can be, but anything that we’re trying to build and trying to improve is a work in progress.

We elect Members of this Assembly from amongst ourselves to represent us on the other side of the House to take on responsibility for various aspects of the work that this government does. Many of them are not just representing one area; many of them are representing many areas. So, in the Minister’s comments yesterday, he mentioned we cannot support change by ourselves, it takes support by our leaders, our communities and other

service providers and it also takes the support of Members on this side of the House.

The spirit and intent with which the Auditor General’s report was delivered, I believe, was to point out and identify things that can be done differently and that can be done better. The way this report was received by our Minister of Justice , I believe, was in that same spirit and intent. It was received humbly and it was received with dignity and admission that there’s more that we can do.

Sometimes we do have to stop and celebrate some of the things that have occurred, some of the things that Members on this side of the House are very interested in such as a Wellness C

ourt. That’s

something that we, together with the Minister of Justice , worked towards and we made progress on during the 17th Assembly and we need to celebrate

that as well as another specialized court, a Domestic Violence Treatment Court, and some of the healing programs that have been initiated out there.

Mr. Speaker, we have many challenges before us in all areas of work that we do as leaders and as legislators. When criticism is necessary, I think it should be constructive criticism. I think that we, at the same time, need to admit that no one on this side of the House or on the other side has a magic wand. It is a work in progress that is building on the work of former Ministers of former governments of former leadership in departments and we advance the goals and the outcomes of these departments as we work together.

I would like to say that I appreciate the work of the Auditor Genera

l’s office and sometimes it isn’t

always good news, but I would be reluctant to politicize it, as sometimes the media does, by referring to it with words like “scathing” and that somebody should be taken to task. Mr. Speaker, we need to advance the cause of justice together. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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NWT Housing Corporation Care Program

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Sometimes policies make sense and sometimes, well, they don’t. Point in question, let’s look at the widely popular NWT Housing Corporation Housing Choices suite of programs. This suite of programs is offered to all residents of the Northwest Territories, helping to maintain and manage a sustainable housing environment. Assistance is provided at various levels based

on the applicant’s

income, helping NWT residents not only become more independent but also assist them in becoming successful homeowners.

One such housing choice is the CARE program, which stands for Continuing Assistance for Repairs and Enhancements. By offering forgivable loans up to $90,000, CARE helps homeowners make necessary repairs to ensure a safe and healthy residence and to increase the useful economic life of their homes.

Mr. Speaker, all good so far, so what’s my concern? Well, it’s the little caveat on the NWT Housing website that says, “Generally, applicants can’t have outstanding arrears with the NWT Housing Corporation.” The word “generally” had me raising some red flags, so I decided to do some investigation.

Well, it seems if you owe money on your land lease or property tax and you live in a market community, you are ineligible for a free forgivable loan. This makes sense to me. However

– and this is the

kicker

– if you owe less than $5,000 on your land

lease or property tax and you live in a non-market community, you’re not eligible for this loan program. This is the one that does not make sense to me.

How is it you can have two sets of rules, depending on your market, on money you owe, and still qualify for more free funding? This does boggle the mind.

Furthermore, to the legality of such asininity, how does a policy like this stack up constitutionally?

I’ll be asking the Minister later today for some clarity on this policy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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NWT Housing Corporation Care Program

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Tourism Opportunities In The Deh Cho

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We know that tourism is an important industry in the Northwest Territories. In its 2014-15 Marketing Plan, NWT Tourism has identified several major focus categories, including outdoor adventuring, Aboriginal travel, and sport hunting and fishing. Growth in the German, Swiss and British markets show particular interest in Aboriginal cultures in a natural environment. It’s a great sign for regions like the Deh Cho. But at the same time, we also know that for both Canadian and international travelers, travelling north can be expensive.

As a result, our tourism strategies must convince travellers not to only turn their NWT dreams into realities but also deliver the authentic northern experiences these travellers seek.

As exciting as international tourism can be, in reality 80 percent of visitors to the NWT come from within Canada, primarily from Alberta, British Columbia and Ontario. Often, too, these travellers come by road, either in regular motor vehicles or in RVs designed for touring. Travellers cover a range of demographics from adventurous students to

vacationing families, to retirees. In fact, tourism planning for the region often highlights the Deh Cho Travel Connection, a circular driving route that travels through multiple provinces and territories including ours. Surely our goal must be to make the NWT worth notable stops, including the beautiful Alexandra and Louise Falls, the highlight of this route.

With noted tourism priorities for authentic northern experiences, spectacular landscapes, educational opportunities, opportunities in Aboriginal cultures and road touring, the Deh Cho is primed to offer enticing options to all manner of adventurers and explorers, including minimal impact activities that allow visitors to appreciate our spectacular territory without leaving a large footprint.

But not all the pieces are in place. The deteriorating condition of the Liard Highway is noted as having a significant impact on the traffic in the Deh Cho. With so many road travellers, not to mention our own residents, highway infrastructure is a clear priority.

We also know that natural disasters can impede tourism. I hope that our tourism strategies continue to promote the NWT as a safe and viable destination after last year’s forest fire season. Finally, I’m proud to highlight two residents of my riding, Vi and Eric Bartlett, who won the 2014 Hospitality Award for their work at the 60th Parallel

Visitors Centre. Thanks to their hard work, tourism presence at the NWT and Alberta border is strong. But further down the Mackenzie Highway…

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Mahsi.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Tourism Opportunities In The Deh Cho

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

To build tourism in the NWT, there is room for growth and improvement in and around the hamlet of Enterprise and throughout the NWT and Deh Cho. Tomorrow I’ll speak further about the hamlet,

and later today I’ll have questions for the

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment . Mahsi.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Cost Of Living Issues

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Before I begin, I want to thank the good folks at the NWT Bureau of Stats. They’re a very important pillar of our government because they provide very important information each and every day to folks like me so I can do my job.

Because of that very important information, I can see that 35 people left the NWT last year when I compare the final quarter of 2013 against 2014. That really comes down to one person in the Northwest Territories left every 10 days. That’s a

net loss. We’re losing transfer payments. That’s an additional $25,000 per person walking out of the Northwest Territories every 10 days. That potential also means we’ve lost tax filers in the North, we’ve lost community vitality. Every community is not immune from that suffering of people leaving.

The question is, why are they leaving? Well, you don’t have to look too far to the announcement the other day that the NWT Power Corp once again said another increase is on its way. The continued tsunami of increases weighs very heavily on the everyday family trying to get by.

Now, I know the government dreams, it may dream big some days when they say they want to attract 2,000 people to the Northwest Territories, but let’s be clear, I don’t know how they’re going to come when we pay some of the highest costs across Canada.

No, I don’t blame the good folks at the NWT Power Corp. I know many of those people and I know many of them do their job very well every day. They try as hard as they can to ensure that our system is accountable and reliable. To that, they certainly deserve and get my respect. That is not the issue. It comes down to the government’s mismanagement of this particular problem. The government has to start to realize that it can’t just let this essential service, as described by the Minister of Finance , become

such a cost it’s too prohibitive to live here.

There’s not a day goes by that somebody starts to tell me or sends me an e-mail or bumps into me at the Co-

op or the other grocery store and says, “You

know what?

I can’t afford to live here anymore.”

We must make choices. So when Northerners pay two, three, four times or more on our power bills, how is the everyday family going to get by because our salaries are not two, three and four times they are in equal and comparable jurisdictions.

I’m going to end by saying it’s time this government become the master of its own destiny with some social engineering that helps Northerners live in their own homes. Thank you.

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Cost Of Living Issues

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Languages Legislation

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For some time now we’ve had an Official Languages Act which specifies that there shall be two languages boards, an Aboriginal Languages Board and a Languages Revitalization Board. Although these two boards and their membership is clearly laid out in the Official Languages Act, the GNWT is not following its own legislation, nor is the government, specifically the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, heeding the advice of the 16th

Assembly Standing Committee on Government

Operations,

which

did

thorough

and

comprehensive review of the Official Languages Act in 2009.

That review resulted in an excellent report, titled “The Final Report on the Review of the Official Languages

Act, 2008-2009, Reality Check:

Securing a Future for the Official Languages of the Northwest Territories.

” In that report there were

recommendations for, one, amendments to the Official Languages Act and, two, a new structure for language governance and management.

To his credit, the Minister for ECE has made some changes in the management of languages. We now have a secretariat for French language and a secretariat

for

Aboriginal

languages.

These

changes go some way towards acknowledging the recommendations from the 2009 report, but it has put in place two secretariats where one was recommended.

What has not been acknowledged at all by the department is the need to make legislative changes to the Official Languages Act. The 2009 report recommended the amalgamation of the two languages boards into one languages board. As far back as October 24, 2012, the Minister stated in the House, “We are exploring legislative options to change roles and structure of the two existing Aboriginal languages boards.

We’re well past the time for some action in regard to legislative change for the Official Languages Act. The 2009 report made firm recommendations for change which have been ignored for too long. The Minister must do one of two things: heed the requirements of the Official Languages Act or bring forward the necessary legislative changes.

I will have questions for the Minister at the appropriate time.

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Languages Legislation

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Mental Health Preventative Services

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too had a look a

t the Auditor General’s report on some of the

issues dealing with the Department of Justice and corrections, and it got my attention in terms of the rehab services, mental health services, and just the treatment that our inmates need to go through or lack or

don’t have. However, I want to take a

different route on this one.

When I was reading this, I was conflicted in the sense that we have people who are in the jail who have mental health issues, and if we actually had the services in the communities, they might not be there. As my colleague mentioned, they referenced the report as scathing, and it’s been getting a lot of media attention. It has been getting media attention here in the Northwest Territories, Nunavut and the Yukon. Like I said, if we had those services in the communities, we can’t forget about the people who are struggling in the communities.

I know some Members from this government did a tour of the North Slave Correctional Centre and it was great. Inmates had three meals a day, they had a fitness centre, they had programs, services, stuff that we don’t have in our communities. It makes me go to wonder: do we have to get the Auditor General to do a report on our small communities to get the services there? Because when an Auditor General report comes out we jump all over it, we say we’ve got to do this, we’ve got to do

that, and it’s binding, but we fight for every

service on this side of the House throughout the year, throughout the government, but sometimes we don’t see anything, nurses, RCMP, mental health, psychiatrists. But when it comes out in a report, then we jump all over it and say it needs to be in place, it needs to get done.

We can’t forget about the communities that need these services, and we need to look at how we can put some of these programs and services that we are putting into the institutions that can help the people who

need the help. We’ve got to find ways

to prevent people from going to the institutions now rather than later and wait for another Auditor General report to say we have to do it again.

I will have questions for the Minister of Justice on how we’re preventing people from going into the institution and how we’re rehabbing them back into the communities so that they can become a member of society once again.

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Mental Health Preventative Services

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Pedestrian Safety On Highway No. 3 At Niven Lake Access

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A primary function of government is to ensure citizens are safe. In my mind, we are failing on at least one front and within sight of this building yet. I am speaking about the stretch of Highway No. 3 from the Niven Lake access to 49th Avenue.

While GNWT and the city have argued over jurisdiction of this piece of highway and the costs associated with remediation and maintenance of it, an entire subdivision has been built and grown into a busy and vital community right across the highway. But thousands of Niven Lake residents have been left without safe, convenient pedestrian access to downtown, despite increasing highway traffic and narrow shoulders which increase the danger every year.

After seven-plus years since this issue was first raised, the Explorer Hotel is slated for expansion and another hotel has started development, further congesting this area with yet more traffic and destruction

some

existing

trails.

This

unacceptable delay has put the residents of Niven Lake, who commute to downtown by walking or bicycling, in an unnecessarily and increasingly dangerous plight. There is no safe time for pedestrian commuters between the Niven Lake access and downtown where so many work or go to school, but the situation is much worse in winter when it is dark. They are walking with parka hoods up, roads are slippery and windshields may be fogged. A proper walking trail or sidewalk and a safe, regulated crossing are required for safe passage of people walking with their children, dogs and arms full of groceries.

Encouraging people to live a healthy lifestyle, reduce their carbon footprint, leave the car at home and walk when possible are all legitimate suggestions from the government, but we must do our part and ensure they can be done safely.

Eight years of luck without an accident is blessing enough without prolonging this issue further. Another summer is approaching, with walkers on the shoulder, dashing across the highway with little protection from vehicles. Both foot and vehicle traffic along this treacherous piece of road will be increasing again. It is only a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt. I have suggested one temporary partial solution of a crossing light, but the Minister of Transportation was hardly encouraging. After almost a decade of saying no, when will the Department of Transportation say yes?

When will we do what it takes and make this walking/biking route a safe one for our people, both walkers and drivers? Surely for the safety of our families, and recognizing our clear responsibility here, we can come up with something workable in

the time left of this Assembly for such priorities. Let’s not risk serious regret any further. Let’s act now. Mahsi.

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Pedestrian Safety On Highway No. 3 At Niven Lake Access

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Economic Benefits Of Resource Development

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to talk about the potential of the resource development we have in the Northwest Territories. We have seen it in the Sahtu region. Like any new technology, there’s always risk. We deal with that every day, from the time that Henry Ford came out with the Model T car to the vehicles we deal with today. There’s always potential risk with the technology that’s coming out.

Do we have the tools to manage these risks? I believe so. Again, like the vehicles, we have the tools to manage those risks. There are risks going to be involved.

We also need more research over time to look at some of these new technologies and the risks that they could be.

In the Sahtu, last year we had experience with the fracking with two wells at Conoco. Surprisingly, I didn’t know that in the early ‘70s the first acid frack was in the Cameron Hills. Fracking has been happening since the ‘40s. Over a million wells have been fracked in the United States, and 175,000 in Canada, most in Alberta, Saskatchewan and BC.

Oil and gas development has changed over the years. It’s been well documented. Regulatory has been well defined over the years. They were looking at how to minimize the risks, tracking what’s happening in the oil and gas field. Strict regulations, strict liabilities are in place in oil and gas.

We in the Sahtu are in the driver’s seat, as we’ve been told when we went down to North Dakota at Falcon

’s fields. “You guys are in the driver’s seat.

You can control it.”

When we see this vast potential in the North with the oil and gas, we must seize the opportunity with the tools that we have at hand. I want to say that the Sahtu people are now experiencing the downfall of the low oil prices. There is no work and it’s stressful for our people.

Mr.

Speaker, I’ll have questions for the Minister of

ITI on this potential in the Sahtu.

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Economic Benefits Of Resource Development

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Agricultural Land Strategy

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I believe we are missing a significant opportunity to live better, eat better, diversify our economy, create local jobs and be more independent in the Northwest Territories. We must grow in quantity more of our own food.

A constituent tells me, “Have you ever thought what happens when the food trucks stop coming north?” We tend to forget that the southern half of our territory is very sunny and has some potentially good agriculture land. Hay River has had some degree of success and so could Fort Simpson and probably other communities as well. It is a vision shared by some of my constituents and others throughout the North. The problem is access to land. We have a huge and great land, but the rules for using them are pretty heavy duty, especially considering that farms are so common all over Canada and they have easier access.

I’m not sure if devolution of land and the taking over of a federal application process has complicated things. In the Deh Cho for a lease or sale of Commissioner’s land, the GNWT must seek the approval of the a

ffected Dehcho First Nation. That’s

fine; it’s only a 30-day process, in theory anyway. It is set out in the Interim Measures Agreement.

Where the Dehcho Land Use Planning Process fits in is not so clear. The planning committ

ee’s website

refers to economic and political barriers to agriculture, and that’s about it. Then we have our departments of Lands, and Industry, Tourism and Investment. ITI is working gung-ho, well, sort of, on the Agriculture Strategy, and Lands department seems to have a bunch of rules they may or may not be sorting out.

But let’s not leave out the Mackenzie Valley Land and Water Board, the purveyor of permits under federal rules. As I understand it, if land needs to be cleared with heavy machinery, then a would-be farmer has to apply for a land use permit and then wait for it. On the other hand, if land is already cleared, it seems no land use permit is required. To me, it looks like anyone who wants to farm or wants to grow healthy food for us all to eat had better be a darn good lawyer as well. The rules are not clear. It is no wonder applicants are frustrated.

I will have questions later on for the Minister of Lands during question period. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

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Agricultural Land Strategy

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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On-The-Land Program In The Mackenzie Delta

Members’ Statements

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier in this session I asked about the progress of the on-the-land program as the closing date for expression of interest was the end of January.

As we get closer to spring, I am hopeful we have this program in place as the spring is, in my opinion, the best time to be out on the land. This is a good opportunity for those in our corrections facilities, and I’m positive there will be a lot of interest.

I’ll have questions for the Minister later today. Thank you.

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On-The-Land Program In The Mackenzie Delta

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . Item 4, returns to oral questions, Mr. Ramsay .

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Return To Oral Question 742-17(5): Auditor General Report On Corrections In The Northwest Territories – Department Of Justice

Returns to Oral Questions

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Dolynny on March 4, 2015, regarding the Auditor General Report on Corrections in the NWT

– Department of

Justice.

This government is committed to supporting an environment of continuous improvement in the corrections service and throughout the GNWT. The annual performance audits conducted by the office of the Auditor General support this commitment and provide us with an opportunity to receive valuable feedback on our programs and services.

The office of the Auditor General conducts independent audits and studies that provide objective information, advice and assurance to the federal and territorial governments. There was no mention by this independent and respected office in the report or in any of the numerous meetings held between the staff of the office and departmental officials of any wrongdoing by the Department of Justice or its staff.

I’ve accepted all of the recommendations in the Auditor General’s report on corrections in the NWT. Indeed, as the Premier stated in the Assembly last week, several changes have already been implemented or are underway, and if an audit were conducted today, the findings would be quite different. I’m confident that the steps taken by the Department of Justice, and it’s planning that is underway, will address the concerns highlighted in the Auditor General’s report.

Respectfully, any suggestion that we should investigate laying charges against the very people

in the corrections service that we know are doing the hard work to make the improvements required is both unnecessary and demoralizing. If the Member has specific questions or concerns about the audit

report, I’m sure that these can be

addressed either by me or by the department staff during the hearings of the Standing Committee on Government Operations that will be coming up in May. Thank you.

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Return To Oral Question 742-17(5): Auditor General Report On Corrections In The Northwest Territories – Department Of Justice

Returns to Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Bromley .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m very

pleased to greet a resident of Weledeh, Karen Johnson, and, of course, her daughter is serving as a Page today in the House, Linnea Stephenson, and I’d also like to recognize Jacob Schubert who is also a resident of Weledeh. Mahsi.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Mr. Miltenberger .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize Ernie Bernhardt, a former Member of the Legislative Assembly but, more importantly, my roommate back in residential school many, many, many years ago. I welcome him to the Assembly.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Mr. Premier .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m very pleased to recognize two Pages from Yellowknife South, Megan Vu and Lucas Heal, and also

– we went to Grandin College together – Ernie

Bernhardt. Thank you.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. I’d also

like to welcome Mr. Bernhardt into the House with his son. Welcome to the House today, and welcome everybody here. Thank you for taking an interest in our public hearings today.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 774-17(5): Agricultural Land Strategy

Oral Questions

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to follow up on my Member’s statement. It’s about agricultural lands and the application process. I would like to ask the Minister of Lands again about what role the Lands department is playing in ITI’s Agriculture Strategy.

I would like to know how the two departments are coordinating their efforts so that this strategy actually works and makes agricultural lands easier for our residents to apply for. Thank you.

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Question 774-17(5): Agricultural Land Strategy

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Minister of Lands , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 774-17(5): Agricultural Land Strategy

Oral Questions

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Lands role in that would be to take the applications and go through the process with them. My understanding is that we distribute the application for comments from the local First Nations governments and other people who are involved and we take those comments and decide what next steps we have to do and whether to proceed with the application or not, or if there are other requirements that the applicant has to fill out. Thank you.

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Question 774-17(5): Agricultural Land Strategy

Oral Questions

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

What help is available for residents who want to access land for farming and are struggling with the rules and red tape? It seems that the application process is cumbersome with the guidelines and procedures.

What kind of help does the department have with an applicant working through the application process? Thank you.

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Question 774-17(5): Agricultural Land Strategy

Oral Questions

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

This is where they would work with the local lands office. If they go in there and seek help we’d be able to assist them in trying to guide them through some of the requirements and the processes of filling out the applications. Thank you.

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Question 774-17(5): Agricultural Land Strategy

Oral Questions

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I’d just like to know, how does

the Department of Lands work with the affected First Nations to process potential leases for agricultural lands? Is there a separate process when somebody applies for agricultural land when working with the First Nations as opposed to say industrial development or different development? Is there a separate process when the application is for agricultural land? Thank you.

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Question 774-17(5): Agricultural Land Strategy

Oral Questions

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

My understanding is all applications are vetted through a pretty similar process where we do our consultations with the local First Nation government to gather comments and concerns on the project proposal and it usually takes about 45 days to go through this process. So again, my understanding is the application process is pretty well the same. Thank you.

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Question 774-17(5): Agricultural Land Strategy

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 774-17(5): Agricultural Land Strategy

Oral Questions

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to ask the Minister if the current application process is something that we inherited as a result of devolution, because it seems so cumbersome and it’s a whole different process when constituents throughout the North are applying for agricultural lands. Is that something that can be reviewed as well? Thank you.

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Question 774-17(5): Agricultural Land Strategy

Oral Questions

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

I will commit to the Member that I will review with the officials the application process and whether it’s part of our

process or

if it’s one we inherited and if there are

opportunities to review it and make some necessary changes so we’ll be able to assist people out there with their applications. Again, there is always the option of, if they have some questions, to come quietly to our lands office and get some assistance from them. But I will commit to the Member that we will review it and I will report back to committee.

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Question 774-17(5): Agricultural Land Strategy

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The Member for the Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 775-17(5): Economic Benefits Of Resource Development

Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I talked about the potential for the economic resource benefits in the Northwest Territories. I want to ask the Minister of ITI , on the assessment, has his department done an assessment of the oil and gas potential in the Northwest Territories? That is a remarkable resource. Canada right now has 8.8 billion barrels of oil that could be marketed. Has he done any assessment in the Northwest Territories?

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Question 775-17(5): Economic Benefits Of Resource Development

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 775-17(5): Economic Benefits Of Resource Development

Oral Questions

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There have been assessments done of the oil potential in the Sahtu and, in fact, in the Northwest Territories. We continue to move forward with the development of an Oil and Gas Strategy for the Northwest Territories. We are also going to conduct some work on the corridor concept down the Mackenzie

Valley,

communication,

energy,

transportation corridor. Of course, we’ve had the Mackenzie Gas Project that currently is on the shelf but our hope is that at some point in time Mackenzie gas will see market and we will get it out of the Beaufort-Delta. We have to look at this corridor concept and the fact that it can bring great economic potential all the way down the valley and into the Beaufort-Delta.

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Question 775-17(5): Economic Benefits Of Resource Development

Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

From our experience from the oil and gas development, and specifically I now want to focus in on the Sahtu region, has the Minister, through his department, done an assessment on the economic benefits around the oil and gas activity that happened in the last five years?

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Question 775-17(5): Economic Benefits Of Resource Development

Oral Questions

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Yes, we continue to be involved with the Sahtu partnership. I’ve supplied some information to the Member recently about the investment that the government has made in his riding. It is substantial. It covers a number of different departments. While the downturn in oil price has happened, I think now is the time to continue to move forward with the development of our strategy. It’s time to get training put in place for

people in the Sahtu and around the Northwest Territories so that when the price does come back and the companies come back and the drilling continues,

we will have jobs for people and they’ll

be trained to take advantage of those opportunities.

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Question 775-17(5): Economic Benefits Of Resource Development

Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Hydraulic fracking in the Sahtu and in the North here has been highly controversial. The issue of the hydraulic fracking, I want to ask the Minister, in his experience and in his term as the Minister, are there safe regulations right now, today, over the years that we have looked at this new technology in the Sahtu in the Northwest Territories that says, yes, it can be done, we can manage it, we can deal with the risks? Are we dealing with the facts rather than the fears?

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Question 775-17(5): Economic Benefits Of Resource Development

Oral Questions

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Our belief is that, yes, it can be done safely. It can be done, and we’ve seen it done here in the Northwest Territories. I know the Member highlighted other jurisdictions in Canada that

have

seen

great

success,

Alberta,

Saskatchewan, British Columbia, in using horizontal fracking. We are moving forward with regulations around hydraulic fracturing and we will have the best regulatory response in Canada when it comes to hydraulic fracturing, because we believe it can be done safely and soundly here in the Northwest Territories.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 775-17(5): Economic Benefits Of Resource Development

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I want to ask the Minister, given that we know for a fact that in the 1970s there was the first acid fracking in Cameron Hills, and today we are starting to realize that we want to continue doing more research around this horizontal fracking, has his department seen any type of shift in the land or in the area where fracking has taken place where there were downhole injections i

n the past in the areas that I’ve listed

here? Thank you.

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Question 775-17(5): Economic Benefits Of Resource Development

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Undoubtedly, we do need baseline data, and that is data that will be sought. We are going to continue to move forward with the regulations here in the Northwest Territories. I have made a commitment to the Members that we are moving that forward. That is where that stands.

As far as research goes, we do know what’s happened here in the past. Of course, we’ve got our Devolution Agreement last April. We are now responsible for those regulations and managing the resource development in the territory. We, again, want to have the most robust, sound regulations when it comes to hydraulic fracturing and we will be going out, seeking public input on those draft regulations. Thank you.

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Question 775-17(5): Economic Benefits Of Resource Development

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 776-17(5): Highway No. 3 At Niven Lake Pedestrian Safety

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like

to follow up on my Member’s statement earlier today. I have a very simple question for the Minister of Transportation . I’m sure he anticipates it.

Will he in fact finally address the Highway No. 3 issue between Niven access road and downtown Yellowknife for the safety of our residents during the life of this Assembly? Mahsi.

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Question 776-17(5): Highway No. 3 At Niven Lake Pedestrian Safety

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Minister of Transportation , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 776-17(5): Highway No. 3 At Niven Lake Pedestrian Safety

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Back in 2011 there was a Public Transit Fund that was given to the city to try to resolve the issue of the crossing at Niven Lake. After carefully examining the project

– they were looking at an

underpass, actually

– after carefully examining that

and having some difficulty with getting some land on the Niven Lake side of the road, it was determined to be unfeasible and the money was spent on another transit project within the city. Thank you.

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Question 776-17(5): Highway No. 3 At Niven Lake Pedestrian Safety

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I didn’t hear an answer to my

question there, but I haven’t been totally unsuccessful. Over the seven-

plus years I’ve been

working on this, we got traffic slowed down a little with the new speed limit and we actually got some streetlights. So there’s been a little progress there, which I appreciated. This is over the course of many Transportation Ministers.

Heroes do not grow on trees. I ask the Minister, would he like to be a hero? Thank you.

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Question 776-17(5): Highway No. 3 At Niven Lake Pedestrian Safety

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, I apologize for not answering the question the first time. We have been looking for a solution. It’s a very difficult situation. The thing is that we have to get the people from the Niven side of the road to this side of the road, on this side of the Assembly at some point before they get to the rock cliff on which the Explorer sits, because at that point there’s no more room on that side of the road. So at any time you get walking traffic, people who are walking across the road, which was fairly high speed traffic right up to here

– it was 60 kilometres – so the signs were

moved to the other side of Niven and the speed was decreased to 45 all the way to the other side of Niven to slow the traffic down. Like the Member sa

id, lights and traffic seem to be as far as we’ve

been able to come.

Any time we are encouraging individuals to walk across

– it’s not officially a highway, it’s a

Yellowknife access road, actually

– at any of those

speeds, especially in the wintertime and the way they’re facing the traffic, or with their back to the traffic, it becomes difficult. It’s just not a simple solution. We don’t think that putting up flashing

yellow lights actually makes it any safer for the pedestrians who are accessing that to come to the city. Our suggestion is that they use an alternative route to get to the city. Thank you.

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Question 776-17(5): Highway No. 3 At Niven Lake Pedestrian Safety

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I realize this is not an easy issue, but I also recognize that there’s been darn little done in the seven-plus years and people are unsafe. So, the opposite of a hero is somebody who fails to act and is responsible for accidents, where people get injured or killed. We already know that not far down the line this has happened already.

Is the Minister willing to accept that responsibility withou

t doing anything? He’s got the experts. I’m

throwing ideas out there. That’s fine. If my ideas don’t work, come up with one.

Will the Minister come up with a good interim solution and put things in place to get this done as soon as possible? Mahsi.

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Question 776-17(5): Highway No. 3 At Niven Lake Pedestrian Safety

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Like I indicated, there’s no

easy solution. Even if we were to build an underpass, again, that would be fine for individuals returning to Niven because they would be facing traffic and then going under the underpass to get home to their proper side or the Niven side of the road. But that doesn’t solve the issue of the people coming to the city because their backs will be to the traffic. Then, as most people know, the highway becomes sort of a three lane as you turn into the Legislative Assembly and the museum. So, again, that’s a little bit of an unsafe area for pedestrians to be walking.

At this point, I realize that pedestrians are being vigilant to ensure their own safety, and I’m saying that we are looking at the possibility of putting up the flashing lights and the crossing, but we’re not sure that that is the safest thing to do. So, we will continue to look at it and try to come up with a solution. Thank you.

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Question 776-17(5): Highway No. 3 At Niven Lake Pedestrian Safety

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 776-17(5): Highway No. 3 At Niven Lake Pedestrian Safety

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I don’t know what to say, Mr.

Speaker. What is it going to take? We have a brand new hotel going in this summer; we have the Explorer Hotel being expanded; we have the increasing size of Niven as more and more development takes place there. Somebody is going to get hurt.

When will the Minister fix this situation and protect our people? Thank you.

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Question 776-17(5): Highway No. 3 At Niven Lake Pedestrian Safety

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

The solution most likely lies outside the jurisdiction of the Minister of Transportation ; however, we will meet with the city. We

will talk to our MACA counterparts. If there’s

going to be a new hotel built in there, maybe there’s a solution where there could be a trail coming off this end of the Niven Lake development, coming

into the area near the Explorer. That’s the only solution.

Any time you start having traffic on a road that has fast-moving vehicles, it is an unsafe situation. It would be similar to just having people walk on the road down Franklin as opposed to walking on the sidewalk. So, what I’m saying is unless we’re able to find room to build a sidewalk on the other side, which would be probably pretty expensive, considering the rock face at Explorer, we would most likely find a solution between ourselves, MACA and the city, which will probably mean a trail. Thank you.

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Question 776-17(5): Highway No. 3 At Niven Lake Pedestrian Safety

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 777-17(5): Rehabilitation And Prevention Services

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have questions today for the Minister of Justice . Yesterday in his Minister’s statement, he mentioned that we had some individuals who are participating in the Wellness Court. There were five that he mentioned and 13 were actually referred. If five are participating and 13 were actually referred to the Wellness Court, what programs do the five who are participating in the Wellness Court, what kind of diversion programs are they participating in instead of being institutionalized? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 777-17(5): Rehabilitation And Prevention Services

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Minister of Justice , Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. It’s quite

possible that each of them is in a different scenario, and a care plan would be established for each one of those individuals. So, I could get that level of detail for the Member if he so wishes. Thank you.

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Question 777-17(5): Rehabilitation And Prevention Services

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

It just s

hows anybody who’s having

addiction issues or mental health issues that they don’t have to be institutionalized, that there are other streams of helping these individuals out so that they don’t go into the system. However, of the 13 who got referred by the same, and, yesterday, it sounds

like

there

were

eight

who

were

institutionalized. For these eight individuals who d

idn’t get referred through the Wellness Court

system, what kind of plan of care is given to these individuals who were referred from the Wellness C

ourts but didn’t meet the requirements? When

they get into the same North Slave Correctional Centre, what’s in place for them so that they can get the rehabilitation services that they need? Thank you.

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Question 777-17(5): Rehabilitation And Prevention Services

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. Again, that’s a

bit of a level of detail that I don’t have here, but if they are ending up in our facilities, it’s incumbent upon us to have the programs and the services required to treat them when they’re in our facilities

and after the OAG’s report, we do have some work to do in that area and I have given my commitment to the House and the Members that that work will continue and that we will have programs and services that are going to address the needs of the inmates that we have in our facilities. Thank you.

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Question 777-17(5): Rehabilitation And Prevention Services

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

In terms of individuals who do fall out of the Wellness Court system or

don’t even get

to the Wellness Court system, they do become institutionalized and spend some time in the North Slave Correctional Centre, or any of our institutions for that matter.

I was wondering if the Minister had any information on how much it costs to house one inmate per day in the North Slave Correctional Centre. Thank you.

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Question 777-17(5): Rehabilitation And Prevention Services

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

To my recollection, it’s

just over $303 per day. That’s to house federal inmates. Our own inmates, the number may be a little bit different, but when we invoice the federal government for housing federal inmates it’s $303.08 a day.

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Question 777-17(5): Rehabilitation And Prevention Services

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 777-17(5): Rehabilitation And Prevention Services

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When some individuals commit a big crime, they’ll get put in jail for a very long time. I just did some quick calculations here and at $303 for a year, that’s about $110,000 per inmate within our correctional system, which is equivalent to a job position, possibly a part-time nurse in a community, just to put it out there.

But I want to ask, what is the Minister doing to work in the communities to develop some type of treatment or counselling program, especially in our small communities, to prevent individuals from having to eventually come to the end result, which is being institutionalized in our North Slave centre? Thank you.

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Question 777-17(5): Rehabilitation And Prevention Services

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Community justice committees

have

been

successful

the

communities.

Tomorrow,

fact,

have

proponents who have expressed interested in the on-the-land program. They will be meeting here in Yellowknife tomorrow. So we’re hopeful that out of this meeting tomorrow we will arrive at a proponent that we can work with that we can see the program get up and running somewhere here in the Northwest Territories. So we are doing that, and we also are looking at mental health first aid for our staff in our facilities. We also have three psychologists on staff in our five facilities across the Northwest Territories and we will continue to provide the required help that the inmates who are incarcerated in our facilities need and deserve. Thank you.

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Question 777-17(5): Rehabilitation And Prevention Services

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 778-17(5): Languages Legislation

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are addressed to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . I want to follow up on my Member’s statement and ask a few questions about the Official Languages Act and our languages boards and the lack of movement on making changes.

In the wake of the report in the 16th Assembly by

the Committee on Government Operations into the Official Languages Act, in response to that report, at some point, the Minister promised to table an official languages s

trategy and I’d like to ask the

Minister, first off, was that strategy ever tabled? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Honourable Minister, Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 778-17(5): Languages Legislation

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Since 2009 the Standing Committee on Government Operations released a final report on the Review of the Official Languages of the Northwest Territories. There have been several meetings since then with key stakeholders, such as FFTs, Aboriginal language groups and even as far as reaching out to both the Revitalization and Official Languages boards, talking about the amalgamation. Those are discussions that we will be having. This year I will be meeting with the board, seeking their input about the amalgamation prospects.

This has been a long time in the making. We made a lot of changes. This is a working document that we are currently working with the Aboriginal groups, and we’ll continue to do so. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 778-17(5): Languages Legislation

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. I understand that there’s been lots of talk; there’s been lots of getting

together. However, there’s been no change.

I asked the Minister about what he called an official languages strategy that he mentioned he was going to table in this House.

I again ask the Minister, does that strategy exist and has it ever been tabled? Thank you.

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Question 778-17(5): Languages Legislation

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

When it comes to Aboriginal languages, this is an area that’s obviously dear to my heart. I speak the language. I speak fluently in my language. I feel that we need to do more in this area.

When it comes to the Official Languages Act for the Northwest Territories, we have to deal with Aboriginal language groups. Sometimes it can be a very

complex

situation

where

Aboriginal

language… There is a five-year strategic plan that’s been developed by Aboriginal language and we have to work with that. I am of the view that we need to have an integrated approach, coordinated

approach with Aboriginal groups, and that’s what is happening now.

We’ve made changes to our contribution. We’ve increased our funding to $3.4 million to Aboriginal languages groups so they can hire their own coordinator and also deal with the language nests at the community level. So, we are making substantial changes along the way. This is a strategy that we need to work with all Aboriginal language groups. Mahsi.

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Question 778-17(5): Languages Legislation

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I have to assume that there is no strategy; the Minister has not referenced it at all. I appreciate the work that Education, Culture and Employment has done in regards to languages, and I also, like the Minister, think Aboriginal languages and the preservation and advancement of Aboriginal languages is extremely important, and we are starting to work in that direction. But the Official Languages Act is a law, a piece of legislation, and the regulations that follow it require representation on our languages boards. It specifically asks for specific representation.

I’d like to ask the Minister, knowing that these recommendations go back more than five years now, why has the Minister allowed these boards to continue to operate in contradiction to our law? Thank you.

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Question 778-17(5): Languages Legislation

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

These two boards exist so they can provide advice to the Minister responsible for Official Languages

– in that case

the Minister responsible is myself

– and seeking

their advice throughout the Northwest Territories. Due to the fact we’ve devolved various changes to our overall official languages, one of them is the Francophone Language Secretariat, the Aboriginal Languages Secretariat is another one, and we’ve increased our contribution agreements to the Aboriginal governments. Those are changes based on their recommendation.

As I stated earlier, the next meeting of the boards will be at the end of this month, and I’m looking forward to the discussion of amalgamating the two boards into one. This work has been ongoing for quite some time now, based on the feedback that we received from the general public and Aboriginal language groups, and we’re moving forward on that. Mahsi.

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Question 778-17(5): Languages Legislation

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 778-17(5): Languages Legislation

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Minister. I have to say it’s a little late. It’s been five years since that recommendation was made by the standing committee in the 16th . I appreciate these

changes that are happening, but if the Minister wants the boards to operate the way they are right now, he needs to have brought forward legislative change.

Why has

the Minister waited this long? He’s

presumably going to do something next week, but why has he waited and not brought forward a legislative proposal or suggestions for legislative change? Thank you.

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Question 778-17(5): Languages Legislation

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

We will be having a meeting with the board at the end of this month to seek their input, and then we’ll move forward on that. Mahsi.

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Question 778-17(5): Languages Legislation

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 779-17(5): Power Rates And Distribution

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m

going to use the occasion to once again return to the cost of living under the context of power bills, and I’m going to ask questions to the NWT Power Corp Minister.

Let’s start off by examining the cost of power and its distribution here in the Northwest Territories. I’d like to ask the Minister, would he be able to speak to the rates of return to Northland Utilities and the NWT Power Corp in both the thermal, non-thermal and the hydro zones here? If he could do that breakdown on the cost that Northerners are paying to get their power. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’ll get that information and provide it to the Member. Thank you.

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Question 779-17(5): Power Rates And Distribution

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

That’s okay. I have it here, so the

Minister doesn’t have to do it. Rate of return for Northland Utilities is just over 9 percent; rate of return for the thermal zone is zero percent through the NWT Power Corp; and rate of return on the NWT Power Corp in a non-thermal zone is 8.5 percent.

I’m going to ask the Minister of the NWT Power Corporation, noting that we can adjust rates of return on our equity that go back to the Power Corp, what type of influence, power stabilization is the NWT Power Corp Minister doing to ensure that zones like the Yellowknife region and the hydro zones below the South Slave are getting fair value for their money? This government can socially engineer power rates in other jurisdictions, why aren’t we working across the Territories to stabilize all costs? Thank you.

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Question 779-17(5): Power Rates And Distribution

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

We did a rate restructuring a number of years ago. We have the thermal zone and the hydro zone. The rates for the thermal zone are pegged to the Yellowknife rate. In the hydro zone the cost of business is done and the rates set through the Public Utilities Board.

I appreciate the Member’s question. We are looking at how we are structured as a system. We are looking at generation issues that we know we need to address that would help bring down the cost of living as it relates to the price of energy. We are looking at all those major areas as we look to the fundamental government priority of lowering the cost of living. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

I’ll allow the Minister to correct me

if I’m incorrect on this point, which is I believe power to the golden gates of Yellowknife is delivered at about 18 cents a kilowatt and I think that there’s a big margin between that and the end user who picks up their power bill monthly.

Can the Minister confirm what the power rate is delivered to the Jackfish plant that comes available for Northland Utilities to pick it up for its distribution cost, and how we can help narrow that gap so Northerners can afford a power increase, especially knowing that in a couple short days we’ll be receiving another 6.2 cent increase on top of the high power rates we’re already receiving? Thank you.

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Question 779-17(5): Power Rates And Distribution

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The rate of power in Yellowknife is governed by the fact that, one of the reasons is that power is generated by the Power Corporation and it is distributed by Northland Utilities, and that rate is set through the Public Utilities Board. As we look to the future, we look at that issue; we look at the issue of the cost of power, the fact that we’ve had a number of incidents here in Yellowknife with low water, turbine failure on the Snare system that have all driven up the cost of business and generating power in Yellowknife. Thank you.

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Question 779-17(5): Power Rates And Distribution

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 779-17(5): Power Rates And Distribution

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The next question is: What are we doing to analyze our power distribution to ensure that not only our structure is most efficient but our equipment is most efficient? When I refer to the equipment, often I hear people talk about when the new meters came in,

their power bills all jumped. I’m wondering what

type of analysis the NWT Power Corp has done on that type of trend. It’s not that I’ve heard this from one person;

I’ve heard this from several people who

said that when the new infrastructure rolled in, their power bills jumped.

Has the NWT Power Corp done any analysis on these types of trends, because Northerners can’t afford their power bills and if we have meters that cause the prices to jump it makes the cost of living unbearable here in the North.

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Question 779-17(5): Power Rates And Distribution

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The issue of meters is a critical one. Every jurisdiction has to meter. You can’t manage what you can’t count, and you can’t bill what you can’t count. The issue of are

they accurate, from everything I’ve seen and heard there is not an issue with faulty meters. I will, in fact, raise the issue and will follow up with the Power Corp and see if there have been concerns raised in that area and what redress was taken.

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Question 779-17(5): Power Rates And Distribution

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Question 780-17(5): Supporting The Tourism Industry

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The 2014-15 Marketing Plan noted the challenges of dealing with unforeseen events including natural disasters. My question is to the Minister of ITI .

How does NWT Tourism plan to build tourism in the Deh Cho following last year

’s destructive fire

season?

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Question 780-17(5): Supporting The Tourism Industry

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 780-17(5): Supporting The Tourism Industry

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have some fantastic facilities in the Deh Cho and in the Member’s riding. We continue to support those efforts. I know the campground in Fort Providence was highlighted during last summer’s fire season and the bad fire that we had around Fort Providence and the service that the park provided. We have to continue to support the operators and the infrastructure that we have on the ground in the Member’s riding.

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Question 780-17(5): Supporting The Tourism Industry

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

The Marketing Plan notes that each region is budgeted to receive $50,000 for advertising initiatives of their choice working with the NWT Tourism marketing director to align with the territorial strategy.

What other NWT tourism plans and strategies support region-directed growth in tourism?

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

We have our Aboriginal Tourism Marketing Strategy that would certainly look to support efforts in the Member’s riding. We also have Tourism 2020, a new plan that we’ve come up with that is going to earmark money for tourism around the Northwest Territories. We’ve recently received money from CanNor. We also will be looking for additional federal funding as we mov

e forward. Through the EOS, we’re also able to

provide more money for tourism, and I think our overall spend on tourism now is near $10 million per year.

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

How will the NWT components of the Deh Cho Travel Connection be promoted and emphasized?

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

I didn’t hear the Member’s

question. If he could repeat the question, that would be great.

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Question 780-17(5): Supporting The Tourism Industry

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Could you repeat your question, Mr. Nadli ?

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Question 780-17(5): Supporting The Tourism Industry

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. How will the NWT components of the Deh Cho Travel Connection be promoted and emphasized?

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

My ears are a little bit plugged. I’m not feeling the best, but I thank the Member for repeating the question.

We will continue to work with the region through the Fort Simpson office and also in Hay River on opportunities to promote the Deh Cho Connection. I know MLA Mr. Menicoche has talked about this in efforts to support Highway No. 7 and the tourism route that is the Deh Cho Connection. It is a wonderful opportunity for people to not go back the same way and do a loop through the Northwest Territories. It’s important that it is marketed and it is promoted, and through NWT Tourism that happens, as well, through their regional offices.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Nadli .

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Question 780-17(5): Supporting The Tourism Industry

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister has stated that there will be continued work with the operators. Aside from that, are there any plans within the 2015-16 season to see if campgrounds and tourism facilities within my riding would be enhanced?

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

I don’t have the capital

plan in front of me for this coming year but I believe there is some additional funding for facilities in the Member’s riding, and I can get him that information.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 781-17(5): NWT Housing Corporation Care Program

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today in my Member’s statement I made reference to an NWT Housing Corporation Housing Choices funding program eligibility criteria. It seems that there are two sets of rules pertaining to this CARE funding program which deserve some scrutiny. Apparently if you live in a non-market community and you owe less than $5,000 in land lease or property tax arrears, you still qualify for up to $90,000 in forgivable loans. My questions today are for the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation.

Can the Minister explain to the House how is it you can owe money for land lease and property tax arrears and still qualify for a forgivable loan in this day and age? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Minister of Housing , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 781-17(5): NWT Housing Corporation Care Program

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Assembly and the previous Assembly recognize the challenges the small communities are facing in trying to access some of the programs that we offer. There was a time when if you had any land tax owing at all, you weren’t able to qualify for any of the programs in the small communities. We heard from Members; we addressed that; and we allowed them to carry some taxation.

In the taxation area, part of the problem that we face is because it’s a tax-based community they’re able to do tax sales. So if somebody were to lose their home based on a tax sale, then the Housing Corporation would be out that investment that we made into the property. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

I appreciate the Minister’s reply.

My next question might need a little bit more clarification from what he’s just indicated here. Clearly, this CARE policy segregates both market and non-market residents with two separate rules and criteria.

Can the Minister inform the House, what is the rationale for having those two sets of rules? Thank you.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

I just said that we recognize some of the challenges that are faced in the small communities. We try to tailor many of our programs to get as many people into the programs as we can. In some of the larger jurisdictions, especially the market communities, they have easier access to bank financing and resale value of their units, a type of luxury that we don’t have in many of the smaller communities. So, that is the rationale for this and we believe it’s one that’s working fairly well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

I appreciate the Minister clarifying that. It is a bit confusing, especially when you have a whole suite of programs out there.

Nothing is mentioned on the website for the NWT Housing Corporation about having a repayment plan for arrears in place prior to further funding. Therefore, can the Minister elaborate, does the NWT Housing Corporation have any terms or conditions or prerequisites that must be in place prior to seeking any forgivable loans or other funding? Thank you.

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Question 781-17(5): NWT Housing Corporation Care Program

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, I believe the Member is referring to the smaller communities, repayment plan for the smaller communities, or all communities in general. Maybe if I could just ask the Member to clarify which part of the market he’s speaking to, then I will respond accordingly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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