Debates of Sept. 25th, 1992

This is page numbers 1089 - 1111 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Aboriginal Corporations In The N.w.t.

Department Of Justice's Handling Of The Family Law Review

The Symbolism Of The Mace

Correctional Services

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Question O849-12(2): Underemployment Of Aboriginal People In Correctional Services

Question O850-12(2): Policy On Aboriginal Development Corporation

Question O851-12(2): Status Of Request Of Public Inquiry

Question O852-12(2): Minister's Attendance At Grise Fiord School Opening

Question O853-12(2): Increase Of G.n.w.t. Aboriginal Employment

Question O854-12(2): Establishment Of Aboriginal Corrections Authority Board

Question O855-12(2): Inclusion Of H.a.p. Housing In Survey

Question O856-12(2): Establishment Of Policy For Southern Hires

Question O857-12(2): Implementation Of Power Rebate Program

Question O858-12(2): Rehabilitation Of Offenders

Question O859-12(2): Tabling Of Housing Needs Survey Without Translation

Question O860-12(2): Number Of Interpreters

Question O861-12(2): Construction Of Access Road To 25 Mile Fishing Lake

Written Question 61-12(2): Time Loss Accidents In The Mining Sector

Return To Written Question 55-12(2): Results Of Assessments

Return To Written Question 56-12(2): Locations Of Assessments

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Additional Sitting Hours

Item 15: Motions

Additional Sitting Hours

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Department Of Renewable Resources Consult With Communities

To Adopt Recommendation No. 51

To Adopt Recommendation No. 52

To Adopt Recommendation No. 53

To Adopt Recommendation No. 54

To Adopt Recommendation No. 55

To Adopt Recommendation No. 56

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Hon. James Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Mr. Bernhardt , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Mr. Nerysoo , Mr. Ningark , Hon. Dennis Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Todd , Hon. Tony Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Good morning. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Bernhardt .

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Aboriginal Corporations In The N.w.t.

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Ernie Bernhardt

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about the importance of aboriginal development corporations in the Northwest Territories.

These corporations provide an important economic instrument for aboriginal people to have some degree of economic control over their future, and to provide employment and training opportunities for aboriginal people. This helps build important infrastructure in our communities, and keeps the wealth within the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, I know that to some extent, this government has offered encouragement to aboriginal development corporations. However, I believe we should be providing a definite focus on these types of organizations. Consideration should be given to assisting in the development of these corporations, and providing opportunities for their future growth.

However, Mr. Speaker, I am concerned about the composition of the corporations. I am not aware, at this time, of any legislation or policy that states the specifics of what would constitute an aboriginal development corporation. Does it mean all shareholders are aboriginal people, or 51 percent aboriginal shareholders? Does the government have any requirements for an organization to call itself an aboriginal development corporation?

I will be pursuing these questions with the appropriate Minister during question period today. Mr. Speaker, as I have stated before, I believe that these organizations are important economic instruments for aboriginal people, and should be fully encouraged by this government.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Bernhardt . I would like to recognize, in the gallery today, grade six students from St. Patrick's Elementary School; their teacher, Kris Ballard; and their classroom assistant, Belinda Green.

---Applause

Also, today in the gallery, there are nine students from Rimouski, Quebec, who are in a Voyageur 1992 Exchange Program with students from St. Patrick's High School. Welcome.

---Applause

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Gargan

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Department Of Justice's Handling Of The Family Law Review

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today, to say that I am disappointed, and appalled, with the way that the Department of Justice has mishandled a project known as Family Law Review.

This initiative was established way back in 1988, four years ago, and was supposed to result in a major reform of the territorial legislation in the field of family law. We were promised that this would result in family law, which reflects aboriginal traditions and values. We have been repeatedly promised that it would bring seriously outdated legislation up to current standards. This promise has not been kept.

Over and over, three successive Ministers of Justice have told us that we will soon be seeing the report, but still the project is not completed. Never in the history of the government, of the Northwest Territories, has a department initiative been so badly bungled.

The contract and procedures, and overall costs of the project, have been treated secretively, ever since it began. Apparently high priced consultants have left the Northwest Territories without meeting contract conditions. The so-called working group of community representatives, seems to have changed membership every six to nine months.

In short, the official management of this critical initiative is nothing short of a major embarrassment for the territorial Department of Justice, and the Government of the Northwest Territories.

Sadly, aboriginal families have waited for years, and years, to see traditional principles surrounding custom adoption established, and legislation has been treated as a back burner priority.

Further, women and men of all cultural backgrounds have been forced to resort to costly and protracted court actions, because of the absence of the enforceable marital property laws.

Perhaps, most shameful of all is this state of current Child Welfare Act legislation, which I believe could be the most ineffective in Canada.

Mr. Speaker, the government should just forget about the failed initiative now, and find an alternative strategy for fast tracking the development of legislation, before even one more dollar is spent on the consultants, officials, and committees that have delayed the process so long.

I trust that our new Minister...

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Sorry, Mr. Gargan , the allotted time has expired. Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, can I ask for consent to continue my statement?

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays, please proceed, Mr. Gargan .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and honourable Members. I trust that our new Minister of Justice will realize the failure of the current review, and will now develop a new and effective strategy to take its place. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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The Symbolism Of The Mace

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Many people are very confused because, in our Assembly, we have a Mace, which is supposed to represent something. People are not sure exactly what it does mean.

Mr. Speaker, a long time ago, as we all know, if you had power, you had to have a way to keep that power. Usually it was by the force of arms. In other words, the strongest people with the biggest army were the people that held power. The club of the Mace was a symbol of power.

In this House, however, Mr. Speaker, we do not inflict our will on other people by force of arms. We do it in a peaceful manner. That Mace, which sits in front of us, does not represent power which is imposed on other people, it sits quietly on the table, and we settle our differences like peaceful people, through debate. Those people who worry about having this symbol, should regard it not really as a symbol of great power that people have over other people, but as the right of ordinary citizens to represent themselves, if you like, in a peaceful manner in this House.

It has become not a symbol of great authority and great strength, but really as a symbol of peace. What you have, is that we have laid down our arms, we have put them on the table, and we discuss our differences in a peaceful, dignified fashion.

Mr. Speaker, when I look at that Mace, I recall that I knew all the people that made it. A small group of people in Cape Dorset in 1956, sat down and took a piece of narwhal tusk, and got copper from the Coppermine River, and got beads from the MacKenzie River area, the MacKenzie Valley, and got pieces of wood from the ships that, at one time, explored the Northwest Passage, and they created a thing of beauty. That group of people worked cooperatively, and did it in a very, very short time, on the request of the then Governor General of Canada, Vincent Massey.

Since that time, we have had something which is our own, a symbol of the authority of the people, and a symbol of peace. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Lewis . Members' statements, Mr. Todd .

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Correctional Services

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to comment on this government's approach to correctional services, and the whole process of offender rehabilitation.

I am generally satisfied with the transfer of responsibility for corrections to the Department of Justice. We should hold no illusions that this move will automatically result in improved effectiveness, and efficiency, within our correctional system. There must be a new approach to go along with the new administrative framework. Like many northerners, I have been concerned for a long time about the number of adults incarcerated in our territorial correctional facilities, and about the way in which those same individuals find themselves returning to jail over and over again.

I am concerned about the quality of supervision provided for probationers and parolees in the smaller communities, and about the lack of preventative and post-release programming. I am particularly concerned, Mr. Speaker, about the almost total absence of counselling and therapy programs available to meet the needs of violent and troubled offenders.

Our correctional system, Mr. Speaker, simply is not working. We need to take a fresh look at the cultural relevance of many of our correctional programs, and redesign them to include a role for community resource people, and particularly the elders.

We need to develop effective, hopefully sound, treatment programs for adult offenders, and to follow-up with effective post-release programming in the communities. We need to establish well planned diversive programs in community settings, so that the offender incarceration becomes seen as a costly and unavoidable last resort. With the transfer of corrections division to the Department of Justice, now is the time for our correctional administration to consider these new and more effective options. Thank you.

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Correctional Services

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Allooloo .

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Return To Question O825-12(2): Construction Date Of Lake Harbour Arena

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Qujannamiik. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a reply to Mr. Pudlat . The question regarding Lake Harbour arena. The construction of an arena is currently scheduled in the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs capital plan for 1996-97, and 1997-98. Unfortunately, I am unable to commit to advancing the construction time frame for a specific project at this time.

The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs capital planning process is structured to provide for the orderly delivery of capital construction throughout the N.W.T. The capital plan is developed through a process which sets in priority the needs of all communities across the N.W.T. This priority listing is developed based on established standards, and criteria, which assess, among other things, community population, access to existing facilities, and community capability of carrying the increased financial burden associated with operating a new facility.

However, as is our current practise, my department and I will monitor changes in community needs and conditions through the capital process, and consult with the hamlet. Thank you.

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Return To Question O825-12(2): Construction Date Of Lake Harbour Arena

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Returns to oral questions, Mr. Allooloo .

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Return To Question O759-12(2): Clean Up Of Abandoned D.e.w. Line Sites

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question asked by Ms. Mike on September 14, 1992, with regards to clean up of abandoned D.E.W. Line sights.

In 1990, the federal Department of Indian and Northern Affairs conducted a preliminary assessment of all 21 abandoned D.E.W. Line sights located across the Arctic. In 1992, the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs started a comprehensive assessment of five sights located in the western Arctic. They were Atkinson Point, Horton Point, Pearce Point, Bernard Harbour, and Matheson Point. My department was advised that the western sites were chosen because the contractor was already undertaking work in the western Arctic. This scheduling allowed for maximum use of the short summer field season.

Detailed assessment of the remaining abandoned D.E.W. Line sites, including sites in the eastern Arctic, is planned for future years.

While not directly related to abandoned D.E.W. Line sites, clean up programs at the several military sites located in the eastern Arctic, are currently being undertaken by the federal government. A clean up program is under way at Coral Harbour, while an assessment of United States Coast Guard sites located at Cape Christian and Padloping Island, began in 1992. The tenders have also been requested to clean up three military sites located near Iqaluit. They are the upper base, north 40, and west 40 sites. Thank you.

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Return To Question O759-12(2): Clean Up Of Abandoned D.e.w. Line Sites

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Question O849-12(2): Underemployment Of Aboriginal People In Correctional Services

Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice . The Minister of Justice should recall that on June 24, my colleague from Baffin Central pointed out that prior to the transfer of corrections, there were 254 correction positions, only 74 of these were filled by aboriginal people, and only one management position was filled by an aboriginal person.

Recognizing that about 90 percent of the inmate population in the territorial correction facilities is made up of persons who are of aboriginal descent, will the Minister explain how it is possible to establish a culturally relevant correction program when aboriginal people are so under represented among the staff that works with the offenders?

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Question O849-12(2): Underemployment Of Aboriginal People In Correctional Services

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Question O849-12(2): Underemployment Of Aboriginal People In Correctional Services

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, that might be institutionally impossible, because there is not enough time allotted for response to questions, so I would have to take it as notice. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Question has been taken as notice. Oral questions, Mr. Bernhardt .

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Question O850-12(2): Policy On Aboriginal Development Corporation

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Ernie Bernhardt

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . As I said in my Member's statement today, aboriginal development corporations are an important economic instrument for aboriginal people to gain some economic control over their communities. However, I am concerned about what this government considers an aboriginal development corporation, as opposed to a private corporation. My question is, could the Minister please tell me if his department has a policy in place that defines an aboriginal development corporation for the purpose of receiving business development assistance from the Government of the Northwest Territories?

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Question O850-12(2): Policy On Aboriginal Development Corporation

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Pollard .

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Question O850-12(2): Policy On Aboriginal Development Corporation

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I am not aware specifically, so I will take the question as notice, and get back to the Member. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Question has been taken as notice. Oral questions, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Question O851-12(2): Status Of Request Of Public Inquiry

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Government Leader , since the Minister of Health does not seem to be in the House today. Mr. Speaker, on Monday September 14, this House sent a clear message to the government when it expressed its support for a public inquiry into the matters at the Fort Smith Health Centre.

Since there has been no announcement from the Minister of Health , or the government, following the directions of this House on whether the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories has been requested to establish an inquiry under the Public Inquiries Act, my question is, will the Government Leader advise this House as to what action has been taken in establishing a process for a public inquiry? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Question O851-12(2): Status Of Request Of Public Inquiry

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the Minister responsible for Health has provided a document that is being prepared for Cabinet to review. We had the first general discussion this week, a couple of days ago, and we will be discussing it further, on Monday, at Cabinet. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Supplementary To Question O851-12(2): Status Of Request Of Public Inquiry

Question O851-12(2): Status Of Request Of Public Inquiry

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Can the Government Leader advise this House, or make a commitment to this House, as to when the Minister, or the Government Leader , will be able to advise us whether they will be proceeding with this public inquiry? Thank you.

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Supplementary To Question O851-12(2): Status Of Request Of Public Inquiry

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Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Further Return To Question O851-12(2): Status Of Request Of Public Inquiry

Question O851-12(2): Status Of Request Of Public Inquiry

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I know that there are going to be some changes to the scheduling of when we sit, but I will try to

schedule a Cabinet meeting around the new

schedule that we will be facing on Monday, to try to get something back on Monday afternoon.

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Further Return To Question O851-12(2): Status Of Request Of Public Inquiry

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Pudluk .

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Question O852-12(2): Minister's Attendance At Grise Fiord School Opening

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 1092

Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In Grise Fiord, at this time, they have been waiting for a school for a long time, it was not approved for a long, long time, and it was delayed. It is near the completion of the school, and I would like to ask the Minister of Education if he could come for the official opening, to officially open the new school? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Arvaluk .

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would really like to attend the official opening, but I have not been advised when the official opening will be. When I am advised of the exact date, then I will examine my

schedule to see if I will be able to attend the official opening. Once I know the date, then I will advise you. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Pudluk .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 1092

Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since you became the Minister, this is my very first question to the Minister of Education . I did not want to make it a stressful question, but especially when the communities are proud, and when it is something to do with education for our children, I am sure that you can

schedule a time. If you can advise me, maybe we could arrange when it will be, when you do not give me a straight answer, then the community, itself, might get confused, because they will be very proud to have you there. Do you say yes, or no?

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

That was a long

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I agree to attend, but I would have to check my schedule. I will talk with the Member later on today, and advise him when it would be most appropriate for me to go to that community. I am sure that we can come to an agreement. I will be able to talk with him, and make an agreement later on. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Zoe .

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Question O853-12(2): Increase Of G.n.w.t. Aboriginal Employment

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 1092

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On September 15, the Minister of Personnel made a statement on northern hiring. The Minister commented that we have 1,902 aboriginal employees, who make up 35 percent of the government's work-force of 5,406. However, Mr. Speaker, I am sure that he must be aware that some departments, and my colleague from Keewatin referred to another department, are not making a significant contribution to the government's efforts to increase aboriginal representation in the public service.

For example, Mr. Speaker, only 10.2 percent of the employees in the Department of Health headquarters are of aboriginal descent, and not one of them holds a senior management position. My question to the Minister of Personnel is, what action is he authorized to take, within Cabinet, to intervene in departmental hiring practices that run counter to the government's goals of increasing the number of aboriginal people in the public service?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Personnel has been asked by myself to review the current situation with regard to the placement of aboriginal people in the departments, in the higher levels of management in the government, and to look at possible recommendations, I could bring to Cabinet, in order to address the concerns that have been raised by the Member, plus other Members, in the last few months. So, that is the situation as it is now. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it seems as though senior officials in the Department of Health may be confused about how to put together a resource development plan that will result in increased aboriginal hiring. I would like to ask the Minister, will the Minister agree to assign one of his human resource planning officials to undertake a coordination of a long-term strategic plan, that the Minister of Health indicated that he is working on, for increasing the number of aboriginal people within our territorial health administration?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the question would have to be taken as notice, because I am not certain as to what the status of discussions are, and whether, or not, it is possible, I guess, to target, at this time, specific percentages within specific departments for aboriginal employees.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Question O854-12(2): Establishment Of Aboriginal Corrections Authority Board

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 1092

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Justice . On March 14, 1991, the 11th Legislative Assembly passed a sound motion, which was proposed by my honourable colleague from Deh Cho.

This motion recommended establishing an aboriginal corrections authority board, to provide territorial advice to the Minister on aboriginal issues. For some reason, correctional services neglected to proceed with this initiative.

Will the Minister of Justice , make a commitment now, to give serious attention to the direction provided by the 11th Assembly, and establish this important advisory board?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Again, during the March 1991 debate on Mr. Gargan 's motion, the Minister of the day, the Honourable Jeannie Marie-Jewell , pointed out that local native advisory committees had been established, using inmate and community volunteers, at each of the three correctional centres.

Can the Minister advise the House whether these committees are still operating successfully within the territorial correctional system?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I am unable to answer as to whether they are still operating, or if they have been successful, or not at all. I will be able to get back to the Member on it.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Pudlat .

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Question O855-12(2): Inclusion Of H.a.p. Housing In Survey

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 1093

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of the N.W.T. Housing Corporation. I am happy with the survey that they conducted.

Was H.A.P. housing included in this survey, that was erected in the early 1960s? Some of the residents are trying to buy these houses. As they are very expensive, would the Minister continue the survey, and would the Minister indicate if this was included in the survey?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All houses, in all the communities, were surveyed. My understanding is that all houses were surveyed. We surveyed thousands, and thousands, of houses. The next phase of the survey, is to go back into your community, and consult with your community members, on what would be best way to meet the housing need.

I think the survey has credibility, because the community members are the people that did it, and that is the most important place, it needs credibility from the community perspective.

I believe the Member was talking about the northern rental program, and the buy. There is a program where we do sell northern rentals to the people that are living in them. That will all be taken into consideration. I believe I have given the Member information on that program, I could brief him more on it later. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Pudlat .

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, the reason for asking this question, is that the north is very cold and money is becoming less and less available.

The houses that were built in the early 1960s, up to today's standards, are very expensive. Would the Minister, during the sitting of this Legislative Assembly, inform the House of the survey? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I forget exactly what day last week, I did table the housing needs survey. The first seven pages of the survey were translated, as well as the pages for those ridings, for those Members that requested translation. Translation of the whole document should be finished within ten to 15 days. The document will then be going out to all the communities for consultation. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O856-12(2): Establishment Of Policy For Southern Hires

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 1093

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On September 9, Mr. Speaker, my honourable colleague from Keewatin Central, made an excellent suggestion in his Member's statement on the G.N.W.T. Hire North policy. He suggested that consideration should be given to hiring southerners only on a term position basis, and only with the formal training plan attached to the term position, so that jobs will eventually be filled by northern workers.

My question is directed to the Minister of Personnel . Is the Minister willing to consider establishing this as a policy, particularly in areas of the public service, like the Department of Health, where progress in aboriginal hiring has been slow?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, all suggestions and recommendations that come from Members of this House, are all given serious consideration and evaluated by staff, at least in the Department of Personnel.

If it does have merit, certainly we try to see what we can do with it, within our capabilities. The Member should be assured, that the suggestion was noted, and has gone to the Department of Personnel, for possible recommendations back to me on it. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O857-12(2): Implementation Of Power Rebate Program

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 1093

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Finance . Mr. Speaker, the Department of Finance runs a Power Subsidy Program that

subsidizes consumers who a pay a higher rate for electrical power than is charged in Yellowknife.

Under this program, Mr. Speaker, the first 700 kilowatt hours of power are subsidized to the Yellowknife rate, and I understand that this program is funded solely by dividends paid to the G.N.W.T. by the Power Corporation. I have no concern with a program such as this, Mr. Speaker, and I want to make that clear.

However, my concern is for those communities where the power is cheaper to supply than the Yellowknife rate, particularly my constituency. Since the purchase of N.C.P.C. by the Government of the Northwest Territories, these communities, and I know my constituency, in fact, has absorbed substantial increases in power rates. I believe that it is to the amount of 24.6 percent, if not greater.

It seems to me, that these communities are, in my opinion, being unfairly treated in the application of power rates. I would like to ask the Minister of Finance , has the government ever considered implementing a power rebate program, to reimburse consumers in these communities, where the base power rate is lower than the one in Yellowknife. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, this problem goes back to the N.C.P.C. days where there did not seem to be any reason for particular rates, in particular communities, so we ended up with this very complex, and some would say unfair, rate structure across the Northwest Territories. That goes for communities who think they are paying too much, and there are other communities who think that places in the Northwest Territories are paying too little.

That concern was addressed in a rate structure review that was done some 18 months, or two years ago, and that is still under consideration, Mr. Speaker.

With regard to the subsidy to the Yellowknife rate, and the fact there are communities that receive no subsidy whatsoever, this will be factored into the rate structure review and given serious consideration. I have previously been aware of the problem, Mr. Speaker. It will be taken into consideration. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you. To the same Minister, Mr. Speaker, since the rates structure review is still under consideration, and this will be given consideration, can I ask the Minister, when does he anticipate the rate structure review will be completed? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I think the rate structure review is completed, and has been for some time. It is a question of implementation of that particular document, or some blend thereof of those particular suggestions that were made in the rate structure review. It is under consideration by Madam Premier 's Power Corporation; it is in the hands of the Public Utilities Board, and I would say that it is one of those problems we have to solve very, very quickly. So, I would say that it should be settled in the next six months, Mr. Speaker. It is an enormous problem, and one that has to be addressed. Thank you.

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Question O858-12(2): Rehabilitation Of Offenders

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Justice . I am certain the Minister will recall that my honourable colleague from Deh Cho raised this issue on June 23, when he told the House about the Y.W.C.A. estimates that only 2.4 male spousal abusers have access to counselling. Can the Minister indicate whether it is a priority, within the territorial correctional system, to actually work toward the rehabilitation of offenders, or merely just to warehouse them for the duration of their incarceration?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that corrections place a high priority on rehabilitation during incarceration. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you. Recognizing that spousal assault has now reached epidemic proportions throughout the Northwest Territories, would the Minister make a commitment, to this House, to ensure that he will provide the leadership necessary to ensure that all violent offenders have access to treatment and counselling, including anger management programs, while they are in the territorial correctional system?

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I can make a commitment that I would work to make sure that there is effective support, and counselling, to inmates as a way to assist in the rehabilitation of inmates.

I think it is important to recognize that all the counselling, and rehabilitation, in the world will not help, unless it is done in a relevant, or cultural, context which is what the Member asked in a question earlier. It is a rather long winded answer to the question that would be required, so I chose to take it as notice. In my view, the rehabilitation is required, along with the counselling and support services, both during and after incarceration.

The larger question that arises is, if the system is so foreign and alien to all of the inmates, then how relevant are the support programs, the rehabilitation programs, and the counselling programs, going to be? So, that is a more fundamental question, and I do not think there is time to do justice to it right now.

I should raise to the Member, as well, that what I understand with many of our inmates, is that there are inmates in the federal institutions, and I think they are the ones that are considered in the eyes of the law to have committed much more serious crimes. They are concerned about the inability of our systems to have any say on whether, or not, these people have to be subject to counselling and rehabilitation programs, because I understand that the prospects are fairly low in that area. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I appreciate the Minister's response, but recognizing the number of supportive organizations across the Northwest Territories, including the Native Women's Association, the Y.W.C.A., the Society Against Family Abuse, have all commented on the need, as you say, for improved culturally relevant treatment services. Can the Minister tell me, what his plans are to consult with these groups in the development of the culturally relevant programs that are necessary for our offenders? Is any discussion currently going on with these groups?

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, it is no secret that, by and large, it is my view, and it is accepted in many areas, that the correctional institutions that we have now, are not necessarily the best way for northern people to see their people being incarcerated. There are some, I think, new approaches that are going to be looked at in the next while.

Certainly, I will be suggesting some new approaches be taken in the area of justice and corrections, which would be based more on community ownership, community responsibility for the administration of justice, and the administration of corrections, as we know it today. In that context, there will be calls for input from aboriginal organizations and groups, and community service groups, to advise the groups that will be coming up with these draft initiatives. They will advise on how best to structure the kind of programs, and support services, that we will want to design. Thank you.

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Question O859-12(2): Tabling Of Housing Needs Survey Without Translation

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 1095

Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Government Leader regarding the housing needs survey. Why was it tabled in this House, without having it completely translated? It has been the practice, I think, that documents tabled, have to be translated. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I am informed that because the housing issue was before us, and at the time the report was received, there was not time to have the document totally translated, but because the housing debate was in progress, and the housing department budget was up, rather than delay it, we would make it available. So, certainly our apologies. I believe that the case was because of the immediate discussion that was under a topic, that we would not have had time to translate it, and the document would not be available, and in our hands as a tabled document until after the debate.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I will just make a comment. There is no rule that says a document must be translated, but there has been an historic understanding that, for courtesy, most important documents have been, in the past, translated for Members. Oral questions, supplementary, Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

It is my understanding that each and every one of the Members has the privilege, especially if there is a unilingual person in this House, to have a tabled document that is translated. That was my understanding. I understand that it is not a rule.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

That is not a point of order. There is no rule in the House that says that a tabled document must be translated. I said it has been a practice, and a courtesy, in the past. I think it is an issue that if Members have a problem with the rule, then, perhaps, this issue could be referred to the Standing Committee on Rules and Procedures. Oral questions. Ms. Mike , supplementary.

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Question O860-12(2): Number Of Interpreters

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Page 1095

Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, it is a new question. My question is to the Minister of Culture and Communications . I stated earlier his department's budget, the interpreters have a lot of work, and if our interpreters -- I think right now, we are short of interpreters at the moment.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

It is a new question to a different Minister. Mr. Allooloo . Sorry, Mr. Arvaluk .

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

(Translation) Qujannamiik. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we all know, particularly the interpreters, written and oral interpreters are always in a shortage, and that other staffs are in a shortage. As we know, we are in a deficit, and we have to deal with things according to the money that is available.

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Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Supplementary, Ms. Mike .

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Baffin Central

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

A Minister can respond as they see fit, or not respond. Mrs. Cournoyea , you would like to respond to that?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, on the particular document that the honourable Member is mentioning on the housing needs study, the document is filled with graphs,

mainly, and what was done was a

summary of the first seven pages, which were the guts of the written contents. That was translated, plus the appendix for Mr. Pudlat 's riding, as well. I know it would be preferable if all the book was done, but sometimes it is when the report is received, and when we can go out to contract, and, perhaps, if the report was available some months before, it probably could have been done. However, from the time it was received, and it was concluded, then we did go out to contractors. The contractors did say that the earliest it could be completed was October 31. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions, Mr. Ningark .

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Question O861-12(2): Construction Of Access Road To 25 Mile Fishing Lake

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 1096

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister for Transportation . Mr. Minister, you will recall that you received a letter from the Hamlet of Gjoa Haven dated September 18, 1992, regarding the road to 25 Mile Fishing Lake, and your predecessor has received the same request a number of times. The Hamlet of Gjoa Haven has been, and still is, asking the Department of Transportation to consider, seriously, building an access road to 25 Mile Fishing Lake. The access road would facilitate hunting, fishing, recreation, and, perhaps, tourism. I wondered if the Minister, through you Mr.

Speaker, would seriously consider the matter, and get back to the Hamlet of Gjoa Haven within a reasonable time. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Item 6, written questions. Mr. Lewis .

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My written question is to the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. Would the Minister supply the average cost for time loss accidents in the mining sector for the following years: 1989, 1990, and 1991?

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 6, written questions. Item 7, returns to written questions. Mr. Clerk.

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Clerk Of The House

Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Speaker, return to written question 55-12(2), asked by Ms. Mike to the Minister of Renewable Resources concerning the results of assessments.

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Clerk Of The House

Mr. David Hamilton

Return to written question 56-12(2), asked by Ms. Mike to the Minister of Renewable Resources concerning the locations of assessments.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 7, returns to written questions. Item 8, replies to opening address. Item 9, petitions. Item 10, reports of standing and special committees. Item 11, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 12, tabling of documents. Ms. Mike .

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Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to table the following document today, Tabled Document 98-12(2), a listing of artists whose work will be shown as part of the 1991 Pangnirtung Print Collection and the listing of dealers across North America, which are opening the collection today. Thank you. Mr. Speaker.

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Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Ms. Mike . Item 12, tabling of documents. Item 13, notices of motion. Mr. Ningark .

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Motion 37-12(2): Additional Sitting Hours

Item 13: Notices Of Motion

Page 1096

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on Monday, September 29, 1992, I will move the following motion. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for High Arctic , that the Speaker change the sitting hours, effective Monday, September 28, 1992, for Monday, September 28, 10:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m., and for every sitting thereafter, until prorogation of the second session, to be 10:00 a.m. to 12:30 p.m., and 1:30 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.

Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time, I will be seeking unanimous consent to proceed with this motion today. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 13, notices of motion. Item 14, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 15, motions. Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to proceed with my motion, on the amendment to the sitting hours today.

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The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Ningark .

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Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

WHEREAS there is a large volume of business before the Legislative Assembly;

AND

WHEREAS there is a desire to complain...

---Laughter

---Applause

..sorry, complete the business before the Legislative Assembly in a timely and efficient manner;

NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for High Arctic , that the Speaker set the sitting hours effective Monday, September 28, 1992 to be for Monday, September 28, 1:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m., and for every sitting day thereafter, until prorogation of the second session to be 10:00 a.m. to 12:30 p.m., and 1:30 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. Thank you.

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Your motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Ningark .

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Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask for question.

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Seconder to the motion. Mr. Pudluk .

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High Arctic

I agree with my colleague.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Ningark , you have the opportunity to conclude the debate. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Item 15, motions. Item 16, first reading of bills. Item 17, second reading of bills.

Item 18, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters, tabled document 9-12(2), Strength at Two Levels; tabled document 10-12(2), Reshaping Northern Government; tabled document 62-12(2), Report on Northwest Territories Operations at Expo '92 as at May 31, 1992; tabled document 70-12(2), "The Justice House", Report of the Special Advisory on Gender Equality; motion 6, Discussion on Sobriety Clause in Contribution Agreements; committee report 10-12(2), Special Committee on Constitutional Reform Report on the Multilateral Conferences on the Constitution; committee report 17-12(2), Report on the Review of the 1992-93 Main Estimates; committee report 18-12(2), Multilateral Meetings on the Constitution and First Ministers' - Aboriginal Leaders' Conference on the Constitution; Bill 9,

An Act to Amend the Insurance Act ; Bill 31,

An Act to Amend the Student Financial Assistance Act ; Bill 33 , Appropriation Act No. 2, 1992-93; Minister's statement 82-12(2), Update on National Constitutional Reform Negotiations; with Mr. Ningark in the Chair.

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John Ningark

The committee will now come to order. Yesterday, when we concluded, we were dealing with the Department of Renewable Resources, 1992-93 main estimates, and we were in general comments. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

That we proceed where we left off yesterday, please.

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John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Todd . I understand that there is going to be a very quick meeting of Dene and Metis Members, and I would like to take about a 15 minute recess, before we proceed with the matter.

---SHORT RECESS

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Should we begin?

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The committee will now come to order. Yesterday, as I mentioned earlier, we were discussing the Department of Renewable Resources 1992-93 main estimates and we were in general comments. General Comments. Mr. Todd .

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Keewatin Central

I think, if we can, Mr. Chairman, I would like to move line by line.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Both. Sorry, Mr. Bernhardt , you still have some comments?

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Ernie Bernhardt

Kitikmeot

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yesterday, I had some questions for the Minister.

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Yes, Mr. Minister. Pardon me.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With your permission, I would like to bring in some witnesses.

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John Ningark

Mr. Minister, I do not know your Deputy Minister. Would you, for the record, introduce your witnesses, please?

Department Of Renewable Resources

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To my left is the Deputy Minister of the department, Mr. Joe Handley, and to my right, is the Director of Finance of the department, Mr. Rick Feil.

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John Ningark

Thank you. Before I recognize Mr. Bernhardt , I would like the committee to join me in recognizing the hard working group of pages, and their Sergeant-at-Arms. We should encourage them for the good job they do in the House.

---Applause

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Ernie Bernhardt

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have one question for the Minister responsible for Renewable Resources . The riding that I represent, the Kitikmeot, there is a mine within my riding, Lupin Mine, Echo Bay Mines, and I am wondering if you have any idea, or is there anyone in place to monitor where this gold mine, Lupin Mine, is disposing of their dangerous waste, like arsenic. Where are they depositing all of this waste?

Mr. Chairman, Mr. Minister, some of the people in Coppermine are coming to me regarding a concern that some of the fish that they are catching in the lakes, close to the mine, have become deformed. Some of the caribou that are being harvested are not suited for human consumption, because the meat in the caribou is turning green. The wildlife that fly up every spring land close to the tailings pond, and they become inedible.

In talking to many of the workers who work at Lupin Mine, the caribou graze and they bed down for the night right beside their bunkhouses, and there is fear that they go to the lake and drink whatever it is in there that makes them sick. So, I was wondering if you have any ways of monitoring, or getting up to Lupin Mine, and investigating what they are doing to the environment. It affects the people of Coppermine, and also Bathurst Inlet.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We could monitor the mine for the Member, although, at this point, we are not thoroughly involved in the Lupin Mine, for monitoring purposes, since it is a federal responsibility, on

federal Crown land. We do have some cooperation with the federal agencies, we could check out the mine for the Member.

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Kitikmeot

Mr. Chairman, how soon, Mr. Minister?

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Mr. Minister.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

I will check it out today to see what we are doing up there. If we are not present at the site, which I believe we are not, we will do it as soon as possible.

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John Ningark

Thank you. We are under general comments, Renewable Resources. Activity by activity, line by line. Directorate, we are on page 12-10 of the 1992-93 main estimates, directorate, total O & M of $1.859 million.

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Thank you. Next page, wildlife management, total O & M of $3.545 million. Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you. With regard to this item, the special program was already eliminated, and I guess there was supposed to be a special support program for hunters and trappers developed. Are there any programs right now to assist the trappers?

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Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is under contributions.

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Thank you. We shall get to that later. Mr. Gargan , you will be posing a question under the program? Thank you. Mr. Pudluk .

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think the Minister remembers last year, last spring, in a place near my constituency there was a study done on polar bears, about the immobilizing drugs that are used on polar bears, and how long it stays in the bodies of the polar bear. The people that did the study have not given us any information yet. When are we going to be able to get some information from those biologists that did the study, as to how long that drug stays in the body of the polar bear? Thank you.

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(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This winter we will be giving you the information about the immobilizing drugs.

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(Translation) Thank you. Mr. Pudluk .

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Ludy Pudluk

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(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. From what I have seen, and what I have heard, there were just two polar bears per day, and they wanted to do a study as to how long it takes for the drug to stay in the body of the polar bear. Say, for instance, a two or three day study on one polar bear that was immobilized. Can the Minister tell us whether that study was done the way they said that they were going to do it? Thank you.

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