Debates of April 7th, 1994

This is page numbers 30 - 77 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was going .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Power Corporation

Terms Of Reference - Hay River Group Home Contract

Voices: Direction For Improving The Education Act

New Research Support Programs Through The Science Institute

Ministers' Absences From The House

Member's Statement Re Performance Of Ministers

Lack Of Confidence In Wal-mart's Advertising

Outdated Legislation Of The Dental Mechanics Act

Concerns Re Passage Of Legislation In The House

Concerns Re New Legislative Process

Notices Of Requests For Wolverine Carcasses

Canadian Association For Suicide Prevention Annual Conference

Progress With The Community Transfer Initiative: Cape Dorset And Inuvik Transfers

Need For Children's Advocates In Nwt

Congratulating Minister On Community Transfer Initiatives

Congratulating Participating Groups In Community Transfer Initiatives

Concerns Re Privatization Of NWT Power Corporation

Member's Statement Re Concerns With Changes To Rent Scale

Water And Sewer Subsidy Policy

Extension Of Federal Food Mail Subsidy

Extension Of Time For Community Consultation Re New Rent Scale

Method Of Informing Public Of Hunting Seasons

Update On Military Activities In The High Arctic

Progress On Policy For Walk-in Freezers

Status Of Agreement With Federal Government Re National Infrastructure Program

Status Of Document For Resupplying Government Operations By Barge Along Mackenzie Valley

Written Information Supplied During Consultation Process On New Rent Scale

Stealing Considered Illegal In The Nwt

Review Issue Of Accountability Of Maca

Time Table For Updating Companies Act

Price Review Of Pol Products

Review Of Punishments For Shoplifting

Investigation Into Hunting Charge In Coppermine

Commercial Caribou Harvest

Level Of Funding For Western Arctic Leadership Program

Provision Of Financial Assistance For Mackenzie Times

Review Of Regional Councils

Purpose Of Funding For Research Support Programs

Item 8: Replies To Opening Address

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Motion To Move Minister's Statement 6-12(6): To Committee Of The Whole

Setting Of Sitting Hours By Speaker

Recommendation To Revoke Appointment Of Honourable Rebecca Mike To The Executive Council

Tabled Document 14-12(6) "open For Business" Privatizing The Northwest Territories Power Corporation

Tabled Document 6-12(6) "terms Of Reference For Independent Review Contract Termination - Hay River Group Home"

Item 15: Motions

Setting Of Sitting Hours By Speaker

Tabled Document 14-12(6) "open For Business" Privatizing The Northwest Territories Power Corporation

Tabled Document 6-12(6) "terms Of Reference For Independent Review Contract Termination - Hay River Group Home," Carried

Recommendation To Revoke Appointment Of Honourable Rebecca Mike To The Executive Council

Bill 2: Aboriginal Custom Adoption Recognition Act

Bill 3: Guardianship And Trusteeship Act

Bill 9:

An Act To Amend The Charter Communities Act

Bill 10:

An Act To Amend The Cities, Towns And Villages Act

Bill 11:

An Act To Amend The Hamlets Act

Bill 12:

An Act To Amend The Commissioner's Land Act

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Terms Of Reference - Hay River Group Home ContractTabled Document 7-12(6): Terms Of Reference: Independent Review Of Contract Termination - Hay River Group Home

Tabled Document 2-12(6): New Social Housing Rent Scale

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Revert Back To Item 16: First Reading Of Bills

Bill 6: Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Act

Revert Back To Item 17: Second Reading Of Bills

Bill 6: Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Act

Extended Adjournment Of The House

Extended Adjournment Of The House

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Good

afternoon. Just before we proceed to Ministers' statements, I want to advise the House that I've given permission for the filming of our proceedings today which will be used in the development of a video for a Legislative Assembly education program that will be introduced into the schools across the territories later this fall. Thank you.

---Applause

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Madam Premier .

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Minister's Statement 5-12(6): Power Corporation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, later today I will be tabling a report that deals with the government's proposal to turn the Northwest Territories Power Corporation into an investor-owned utility.

Madam Speaker, the document provides objective information based on two studies by Mr. Fred Abbott and a team of utilities experts. It is designed to stimulate public discussion and debate on the privatization initiative.

Madam Speaker, making this document public is the next step in a process that began over five years ago when the Northwest Territories assumed ownership of the Power Corporation. At that time the government set out to developing the corporation into a self-supporting business and to examine the idea of privatization.

Madam Speaker, the Power Corporation is now operating in a business-like fashion. And a feasibility study on privatization and a subsequent report on how an investor-owned utility could be formed has been completed.

It is time to give wide circulation to information relating to this initiative in order to receive input from the public and the various organizations that represent them. This input will be helpful to the government and the Legislative Assembly when it deals with the initiative in the fall. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 5-12(6): Power Corporation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Baffin Central , Ms. Mike .

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Minister's Statement 6-12(6): Terms Of Reference - Hay River Group Home Contract

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Madam Speaker, during the past session, I agreed to conduct an independent investigation into the decision of the Department of Social Services to terminate the group home contract in Hay River with Greenway Holdings Ltd. I mentioned that the investigation would be complete within a month and that the terms of reference were being developed.

I will be tabling the terms of reference for the investigation later today. I am also pleased to announce that I have appointed an investigator, Mr. Bill Zarchikoff, who is a principal in a private firm in Yellowknife. Mr. Zarchikoff is a registered social worker with over 20 years of related experience, and is as well a business man. He has worked in juvenile homes and taught in the community college system. For the past ten years he has been in the private sector completing a variety of consulting projects in the social services field.

His report will be submitted directly to me. I expect the report by April 25, 1994. I will inform the Members of the results shortly after the investigation is complete. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 6-12(6): Terms Of Reference - Hay River Group Home Contract

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Minister's Statement 7-12(6): Voices: Direction For Improving The Education Act

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, in 1990 the Department of Education, Culture and Employment started the consultation necessary to guide the redrafting of the Education Act. Various partners in education and the general public were consulted, and the department produced a document called, Help Improve the Education Act, which helped focus discussion.

On reviewing the results of this round of consultation, as well as direction provided by the Special Committee on Education in 1982, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and current educational research, the department has developed a final public consultation document called Voices: Direction for Improving the Education Act.

It summarizes the recommendations received from the first round of consultations, and makes proposals to change and reorganize the Education Act. A questionnaire has also been developed to confirm or amend the changes being proposed.

Many of the specific changes and additions reflect the directions in Towards a Strategy to 2010: A Discussion Paper.

A revised

schedule of the new act has now been approved by Cabinet. With the recommendations received through consultation, my department will work with the Department of Justice to prepare a new act which will be tabled for further discussion in the Legislative Assembly next fall, and introduced for debate in the spring of 1995.

Madam Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be tabling the document entitled Voices: Direction for Improving the Education Act. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 7-12(6): Voices: Direction For Improving The Education Act

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 7-12(6): Voices: Direction For Improving The Education Act

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, I am pleased to be here to share some good news with you. When I tabled the community transfer initiative implementation plan in November of 1992, I said that I hoped the first major transfer would take place on April 1, 1994. I believe that we've met the target date.

We are about to implement two very important...

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Sorry, Mr. Kakfwi . I've just been advised by the Clerk that your Minister's statement has not been filed with the House. It would have to be in the form of an emergency statement, therefore you will have to consider whether you want to seek unanimous consent to proceed with it. Honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 7-12(6): Voices: Direction For Improving The Education Act

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

It was filed on March 31. I seek unanimous consent to make an emergency statement.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Mr. Kakfwi , your statement was filed on March 31. That was during the last session and it died on the order paper. According to this session, your Minister's statement is not filed and the only other way is the process that I have advised you on. The honourable Member for Sahtu .

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Minister's Statement 7-12(6): Voices: Direction For Improving The Education Act

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

I seek unanimous consent, Madam Speaker, to make a ministerial statement.

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Minister's Statement 7-12(6): Voices: Direction For Improving The Education Act

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

The honourable Minister is seeking unanimous consent to proceed with his Minister's statement. Are there any nays?

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An Hon. Member

Nay.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

There is a nay. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta .

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Minister's Statement 8-12(6): New Research Support Programs Through The Science Institute

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Madam Speaker, the Science Institute of the Northwest Territories, with the support of Arctic College, has established three new programs to increase northern involvement in research. These programs are the research assistance support program, the research fellowship program and the research associate program. Each of these programs is structured to support a different aspect of northern involvement in research activities.

The research associate program will offer ten to 15 researchers, who have associate status, office space and basic administrative support in return for a commitment to work closely with the Science Institute and college on science, technology or educational matters. The total fund for this program is $10,000. These new programs will begin immediately. Program information is now being distributed to the research community in northern and southern Canada.

The research assistant support, research fellowship and research associate programs will help us link post-secondary programs in the north with the scientific community. They will promote understanding of scientific research and projects, and will provide northerners, including college students and staff, with the opportunity to become effectively involved in science. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 8-12(6): New Research Support Programs Through The Science Institute

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Madam Premier .

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Minister's Statement 9-12(6): Ministers' Absences From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House tomorrow to attend an urgent meeting of the town council in Norman Wells. The Honourable Don Morin will also be absent tomorrow to attend a funeral in Hay River. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 9-12(6): Ministers' Absences From The House

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement Re Performance Of Ministers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Premier . Madam Premier , I rise today on behalf of the Ordinary Members' Caucus. Madam Speaker, pardon me. In December, following the mid-term review, the Ordinary Members' Caucus gave a report on the performance of Ministers. One Minister, Rebecca Mike , was placed on probation. We advised, Madam Speaker, that "Members are expecting a dramatic improvement in her performance by the time this House reconvenes for the budget session a few months from now. If that improvement is not

evident, Members will consider removing Ms. Mike from the Cabinet at that time."

Throughout the session, ordinary Members have discussed Ms. Mike 's performance since the review. Although there has been some limited improvement in her performance, Members remain unconvinced that she is demonstrating the level of competence expected of Cabinet Ministers in the House. Members have also expressed concern about the distribution of work-load among Ministers. It appears that Ms. Mike carries a very light work-load compared to other Ministers.

The Premier has said that she assigned portfolios based upon what each Minister can handle without being overwhelmed. As ordinary Members have noted in this House, there are Ministers carrying very large portfolios. Members are pleased with their effort and performance in handling the extra work. However, although some Ministers are carrying very heavy work-loads, the Premier has indicated to the Ordinary Members' Caucus that she is unwilling to give Ms. Mike any additional responsibilities.

Members are not satisfied with this response. Members believe that Ministers should be equal partners and, if they wish to remain on Cabinet, should carry their fair share. For a number of years, Ministers have been required to give the Premier signed, but undated, resignation letters. This has given the Premier the ability to deal with any Minister whose performance is not satisfactory. In meeting with the Premier yesterday...

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Member's Statement Re Performance Of Ministers

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Excuse me, Mr. Ningark , your time for Member's statements has lapsed. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Premier . I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

I trust you're addressing Madam Speaker. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to continue with his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Premier , Madam Speaker.

---Laughter

Pardon me.

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Member's Statement Re Performance Of Ministers

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Do you know something we don't know?

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

I think so. I'll start again from the second paragraph. For a number of years, Ministers have been required to give the Premier signed, but undated, resignation letters. This has given the Premier the ability to deal with any Minister whose performance is not satisfactory. In meeting with the Premier yesterday, ordinary Members were disturbed to learn that Ms. Mike has not provided an undated resignation letter to the Premier .

It is clear that it is the prerogative of the Premier to take action if she has any concern about the ability of any Minister to carry out his or her duties. Ordinary Members agreed that the Premier has these powers and she's in the best position to evaluate the performance of each Minister. The Ordinary Members' Caucus would support the Premier if she determined, on a fair basis, that action is required with a Minister.

Ms. Mike has not been asked to provide a signed, undated resignation letter. Therefore, she obviously has the support of the Premier and the Premier is satisfied with her performance as a Cabinet Minister. Members elected the Premier to provide leadership and ensure the best interests of the people of the NWT are being served.

In our report on the review, we stated Members were looking for the Government Leader to provide leadership within Cabinet. Madam Premier , Members expressed a concern that strong leadership, which would inspire all Cabinet Members to work together toward a common goal, is missing.

Madam Premier , ordinary Members remain concerned about Ms. Mike 's performance and some Members feel a motion of non-confidence is warranted. Ordinary Members agree that the Premier should play a lead role in disciplining or dismissing unsatisfactory Ministers. Since 1987, the Premier has had the responsibility for monitoring the performance and accountability of the Ministers. This responsibility includes imposing appropriate discipline on Ministers who are not fulfilling their fair share of duties in a satisfactory way.

Over the final 20 months of this Assembly, the Ordinary Members' Caucus will continue to monitor the performance of the Premier and hold her accountable for the performance of all Cabinet Ministers. If the Premier is not willing to be accountable for the performance of her Cabinet and show leadership, then the Ordinary Members' Caucus will want to review just how that authority should be exercised. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Lack Of Confidence In Wal-mart's Advertising

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Madam Speaker, on March 17, the local Woolco store became part of a mammoth North American chain called Wal-Mart. This chain can afford to outsell everyone because it sells so many goods to a huge population. One of the things it does is engage in massive advertising, especially the use of flyers. Members will note in their mailboxes they will see all of these flyers advertising goods at very low costs. It is very impressive. At noon hour today, I whipped out to Wal-Mart because I got one of these flyers in my mail last night.

Being like every other citizen, I cannot resist a deal, especially when its an object that I have looked for in this city and haven't been able to find. When I get there I am told, we sell these all over North America, but the particular item you want, you cannot get here. So I went away mad because I made a special trip to Yellowknife South to visit a store to buy a product that had been advertised for sale.

This instills a complete lack of confidence on my part that when I go to a store, the advertising means anything. The more my mailbox gets crammed full, which at one time I use to get on a Friday in the local newspaper, which added to the revenue of that newspaper, I now find it is distributed in my mailbox. So there is no room for anything else of far more importance than advertising that doesn't mean anything. This chain is going to destroy, not only this city, but my confidence if it continues to mislead me in this fashion. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Lack Of Confidence In Wal-mart's Advertising

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Outdated Legislation Of The Dental Mechanics Act

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Members of this House will recall a previous statement in this House by Mr. Whitford and myself about an individual in the territories who specializes in making dentures. Madam Speaker, this person was not allowed to practice his profession and provide denture services to northern residents, largely because of an outdated Dental Mechanics Act.

The act, as it now stands, allows a registered denturist or dental mechanic to fit, contract or repair complete dentures only. The act is silent on partial plates or anything other than complete upper or lower dentures.

I raise this issue again, Madam Speaker, firstly because I feel it appalling that this situation has not been dealt with to ensure the health and comfort of the people we represent. Secondly, because denturists are qualified to provide these services and the Dental Mechanics Act does not specifically say that it cannot.

Madam Speaker, training for denturists has come a long way since the act was written in 1974. Denturists are now completely qualified to work with partial plates. In fact, it takes a minimum of three years of training to become a qualified denturist. By comparison, a dentist may only study the mechanics of denture making for three months.

My constituents, Madam Speaker, and I, and I am sure other Members' constituents, require these services. I am sure we have all suffered a toothache at one time or other, so we know the kind of pain that is being endured every day by many of our people. We must move forward quickly on whatever action is required to provide these services to our people.

There are people in our communities and settlements who are enduring needless pain and suffering for as long as six months waiting for ordered dentures to come in. This government can take the necessary steps to allow denturists to become established in the north and provide the service we need in a timely fashion. The time has come, Madam Speaker, for this government...

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

...and see to the needs of all people that we serve. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Is it on record?

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Madam Speaker, I request unanimous consent to complete my statement.

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The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker and honourable Members. For the record, Madam Speaker, the time has come for this government, dentists and denturists to put aside any differences they may have and see to the needs of the people we all serve. Mahsi cho.

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Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Concerns Re Passage Of Legislation In The House

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, today I rise on an issue of very serious concern. I am referring to, Madam Speaker, the manner in which this government attempted to pass a number of bills through this House yesterday. Specifically, bills 9 , 10 , 11 and 12 .

Madam Speaker, Members received copies of these bills in their binders just prior to sitting yesterday and in an effort to cooperate with this government, we agreed to give the bills first reading before reviewing them in detail. Members were then shocked to discover, Madam Speaker, that these bills contained a coming into force clause as of the first reading of the bill in this Assembly.

I am not sure why this was done, Madam Speaker. The results of this government's disregard for the process of this House has shaken the foundations of our unique consensus system of government. I am shocked by these events, Madam Speaker. There can be no excuse for such actions. Members of this House, whether they are Ministers or ordinary Members, have always tried to work together in an atmosphere of openness and mutual respect. Members trust the integrity of Cabinet in involving ordinary Members and, therefore, the public in all discussions that affect them.

We try to strive for and hope prior consultation takes place so Members are not surprised by the actions of the other party. I feel that this trust has been shaken. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, in my capacity as Member for North Slave and also the chairman of the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges, I am also concerned with our new legislative process whereby bills, after second reading, go to a standing committee. Madam Speaker, as you know this is a new

process which was adopted only two years ago. I feel after yesterday's events concerning first and second reading of bills, we have to look at our process for the passage of legislation.

Madam Speaker, although our rules do provide that bills, under certain circumstances, can be given notice, first and second reading on the same day, I feel that yesterday, whether it was the intention of the government to endeavour to ram bills through three stages in one day, causes me great concern as an infringement on my privileges as a Member.

Madam Speaker, the government's actions yesterday did not afford Members the opportunity to review bills after first reading so that a debate as to the principle of the bill could take place at the second reading stage. I feel, Madam Speaker, that although I nayed the progress of a bill yesterday, I am sure other Members would have supported me had they realized the implications of allowing the bill to go ahead.

Madam Speaker, I have serious concerns with yesterday's events, which I could have raised as a point of privilege. But I was fortunate enough to get support from my colleague for Inuvik to assist me in deferring yesterday's process. Madam Speaker, I have instructed our researcher for Rules, Privileges and Procedures to research this whole issue and report back to the committee, and I will be following it up at a later date. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Notices Of Requests For Wolverine Carcasses

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. On May 26, 1993, a constituent in Coppermine saw and shot a wolverine at his spring camp as he was aware that a reward was offered for its carcass by Renewable Resources. His awareness was a result of the public notices displayed on bulletin boards in the community by the department. The notices, which I will ask the Pages to distribute now, picture a wolverine with a caption "Attention wolverine hunters, Renewable Resources would like to buy the carcasses from all wolverines you take. The renewable resource officer in Coppermine will pay you $25 for each one."

The next day my constituent's son took the carcass into the local Renewable Resource's office and was given the $25 as shown in the notice. However, later on my constituent was given a ticket for shooting a wolverine out of season. Madam Speaker, upon receiving the ticket my constituent was upset as he thought he had been unjustly charged by the department. He disputed the ticket by hiring legal counsel to defend his case in court.

My constituent spent thousands of dollars at personal expense to defend a $115 fine, due to his feeling that he was entrapped as the request for wolverine carcasses was posted in the off season, with no mention of the hunting season in the notice or, for that matter, posted anywhere else in town. There was evidence presented in court that confirmed that hunting seasons were not posted in any public place in Coppermine.

My constituent lost his case as the judge recognized the complexities of the wildlife regulations. And while sympathetic to my constituent's situation, the judge held that the notice for wolverine carcasses did not meet the technical requirements to prove entrapment. The judge further ruled that there was a duty upon the hunter to seek out the hunting regulations.

Madam Speaker, what bothers me in this situation is that although the Department of Renewable Resources did not entrap my constituent as was ruled by the judge in court, the department certainly created a misrepresentation by leaving the notice up even after the wolverine hunting season had closed. At the very least, the department should have posted notices to advise local resident hunters of the hunting seasons in which animals can be taken.

There are many wildlife regulations in the NWT which cover different species of animals, different areas and different seasons for the same animals.

Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude by statement.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to continue. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Continue, Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, colleagues, Madam Speaker. Many of our hunters may not know all the wildlife regulations which affect them. Certainly, some hunters may be confused as a result of renewable resource officers enforcing some regulations such as that of wolverine, and not enforcing others such as migratory bird regulations.

Madam Speaker, I believe it is long overdue for our government to ensure all hunters are fully aware of the wildlife regulations in their area, and more importantly to advise all hunters which regulations will be strictly enforced in order to minimize any possibility of misunderstandings which affect all hunters in our communities. The onus of responsibility for awareness of hunting seasons should rest with the Department of Renewable Resources and not on the individual hunter, as the department has the resources to ensure the hunting seasons are generally made known to all residents in each hunting area. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Canadian Association For Suicide Prevention Annual Conference

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, between May 12 and 15 of this year the Canadian Association for Suicide Prevention will hold their annual conference.

Madam Speaker, I believe it is a tribute to the good work and the hard work done on suicide prevention in the Northwest Territories by the Government of the Northwest Territories, by this legislature and by many community groups that has resulted in this very important national association choosing the Northwest Territories to hold their annual conference. This is the first time they have ever held a meeting north of the 60th parallel.

I would like to specifically give credit and congratulations to Kanatsiaqtut, the Baffin crisis line, which I believe is the first volunteer crisis line to be established in the Northwest Territories, which was instrumental in securing the invitation to the Canadian association to meet in the Northwest Territories, specifically in Baffin, and is in fact hosting this

conference along with assistance from the Department of Social Services.

Some 300 delegates from all across Canada are expected to attend this important conference, Madam Speaker. I would like to show Members a beautiful...Oh, I have the wrong poster.

---Laughter

It's a beautiful poster. I grabbed the wrong one, Madam Speaker. This is also a conference being held in Iqaluit this summer, but I picked out the wrong one, Madam Speaker.

However, I can say there is a beautiful poster that has been prepared advertising this important conference. I just want to say that I know that the Minister of Social Services has been invited to participate in a panel. I, myself, have been invited. And I believe MLAs have also been invited to attend this important conference. I know you would be welcome if you could find time in your busy schedules to participate in this worthwhile event.

Madam Speaker, I would like to congratulate the group, thank the government for committed and anticipated support, and there is a bit of a list...(Microphone turned off)

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to go back to Ministers' statements.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to return to Ministers' statements. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Proceed, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 10-12(6): Progress With The Community Transfer Initiative: Cape Dorset And Inuvik Transfers

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, I understand it's now filed. Is it proper to proceed?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you. Madam Speaker, I'm pleased to be able to share good news with all of you today. When I tabled the community transfer initiative implementation plan in November of 1992, I said that the first major transfer would take place on April 1, 1994. I believe we have met the target date.

We are about to implement two very important community transfer agreements. Both Cape Dorset and Inuvik have invested a great deal of time and effort in moving toward greater control over programs and services which affect the daily lives of community residents. The vision of these

community leaders paves the way for home-grown solutions to the many diverse and evolving issues facing the north today.

The hamlet of Cape Dorset has entered into a very comprehensive transfer agreement. As of April 1, the hamlet will be responsible for economic development, social services, public works and housing. The community's desire for increased control dates back to the hamlet turnovers in the early 1980s. The community transfer initiative has provided the hamlet with a vehicle to realize their long-standing aspirations.

The Inuvik transfer is particularly unique because all three community government authorities have worked together as a team in their pursuit of community control. The town, band council, the community corporation and the Inuvialuit, will all be responsible for setting their own rules for lotteries and will become more involved in economic development. Through a transfer framework agreement, both the tripartite committee and the government have committed to negotiate further transfers in 1994-95.

Clearly, both of these transfers are the result of a team effort. Without the dedication and commitment by Ministers Don Morin , John Pollard , Rebecca Mike , John Todd , Richard Nerysoo and the staff of the departments of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs, Social Services, Personnel, Economic Development and Tourism, Public Works and Services, Safety and Public Services, the Financial Management Board Secretariat and the NWT Housing Corporation, it would have been impossible to get to where we are today.

In the face of many other critical issues, my colleagues have made it a priority to respond to community requests for increased autonomy. Based on the considerable interests expressed by communities, and the interest in the requests we anticipate as a result of these agreements, our ongoing commitment will be required.

When I met with the Cape Dorset hamlet council in February, we agreed that all the issues will probably not be resolved by the April 1 implementation date. Both parties will have to take a leap of faith and trust in each other's commitment and capability to resolve matters such as wage parity, overhead costs, capital funding and retention of surpluses. I'm confident that a continued spirit of cooperation will ensure timely resolution of these and other matters.

Under the terms of the agreements, Ministers remain accountable in some areas and the agreements outline minimum standards and rules which the community must follow. Departments will continue to have contact with the communities through both regional and headquarters offices, to ensure that programs are delivered in accordance with minimum standards. Departments will also continue to provide technical and special assistance when required. The agreements will be reviewed on an annual basis and a process for the future evaluation of the community transfer initiative is being developed.

Madam Speaker, I'm proud that we, as a government, had the vision to provide the means for community control through the community transfer initiative. I'm particularly pleased with the positive support and assistance received from the MLA for Inuvik, Mr. Koe , and the MLA for Baffin South, Mr. Pudlat . Mahsi.

---Applause

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .

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Need For Children's Advocates In Nwt

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Today, Madam Speaker, I want to talk about the children of the Northwest Territories. As leaders, we constantly talk about our children as our greatest resource. We talk about preserving the environment for our children, creating jobs and opportunities for the next generation, and providing first-class education for our children. These are all wonderful words, but they are starting to ring hollow.

Sexual abuse against children has reached crisis proportions. Suicide rates are increasing. Our jails are being filled with young offenders. The Young Offenders Act is obviously not working. Alcohol and drug abuse among young people continues at an alarming rate. Dropout rates in our schools are at an unacceptable level. Family breakdowns are causing serious emotional problems to a whole generation of young people. And, fetal alcohol syndrome is taking a damaging and hidden toll.

In our society, there are strong advocates for most groups. Workers have unions. Companies have chambers of commerce and chambers of mines. Environmentalists have strong advocates. Even the anti-fur lobby can manipulate governments around the world. Languages have a Commissioner and freedom of information will soon have an independent advocate. Who speaks for children? Well, everybody speaks for children and nobody speaks for children. Their problems and realities are lost in a maze of competing interest groups and priorities.

I don't think the major priority of this Legislative Assembly should be an ombudsman for all the people of the Northwest Territories. I think we need an ombudsman for our children. We need an independent office that deals solely with the rights and protection of children. I want to put this government on notice that I will be working for the creation of an independent office which will act as an advocate for and protector of all the children of the Northwest Territories. Thank you very much.

---Applause

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Congratulating Minister On Community Transfer Initiatives

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I rise today to congratulate the Minister on the statement he just made on the community transfer initiatives. The community of Inuvik, through the Inuvik community corporation, the Ehdiitat Gwich'in council and the town of Inuvik have worked together over the past year to finalize this community transfer agreement.

This agreement is a unique achievement for the community because it brought together three cultures and organizations to work toward common goals. As the Minister indicated, the agreement contains a framework agreement to finalize the negotiations, an agreement that transfers responsibilities and authorities for an economic development officer who will serve the Inuvik residents and carry out long-term economic planning, and the licensing and regulation of lotteries and bingos in Inuvik.

The three councils that participated in the transfer initiatives have also agreed to form a society that will continue further transfer negotiations and operate the existing initiatives. The community views the transfer initiatives as a small step towards self-government. Another step towards self-government is the implementation of the proposed regional public government which the community fully supports. This regional government will allow Inuvik to more effectively work together with the surrounding communities on various regional initiatives.

The transfers to date do not seem like a dramatic change, but the major accomplishment for the community is a renewed sense of community. Having the various groups work together to control the affairs of the community is a significant achievement. I would like to congratulate all the individuals who worked on this task, the residents of Inuvik, and the officials of this government for this significant agreement. Mahsi.

---Applause

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Congratulating Participating Groups In Community Transfer Initiatives

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to follow up on the Minister's statement today by the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , regarding an agreement reached between the hamlet of Cape Dorset and the Government of the Northwest Territories on community transfers. I would like to extend my sincere congratulations to both parties on this historic agreement. I know that the hamlet council and staff have been working very hard during the past few years, and especially during the last few weeks, to complete all the negotiations.

There are many communities that will look at the accomplishments of Cape Dorset and use it for a guide for what is achievable through the community transfer initiative. I'm very proud that this has been done first in my constituency. I will probably be travelling to Cape Dorset -- though I'm not certain -- with Ms. Cournoyea and Mr. Kakfwi , later on in April to celebrate the official signing of the agreement. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Concerns Re Privatization Of NWT Power Corporation

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, the Premier announced that she will table a report dealing with the government's proposal to privatize the Northwest Territories Power Corporation. I rise today to express my concern that such an important report is coming forward in the final hours scheduled for this House to meet.

Madam Speaker, without time to read the tabled document and reasonable discussion in this House, what may be a one-sided or biased position favouring privatization is now going to the public and may colour the public's perception about just how many Members support this initiative. Madam Speaker, I want to be on record as not supporting privatization of the Northwest Territories Power Corporation in the foreseeable future. In fact, most of the Members with whom I have discussed this issue have indicated that they don't believe that privatization makes sense right now.

---Applause

Madam Speaker, this is in spite of extensive briefing sessions provided by the government and lobbying in favour of privatization by some Members of Cabinet. I should note, Madam Speaker, that Mr. Ballantyne and Mr. Ng have already spoken in this House against privatization.

Madam Speaker, I look forward to having the opportunity to fully debate this issue with Cabinet in the fall. And, in the meantime, I would like to make sure the public knows that the position presented in the report the Premier will table today is that of the government, in other words, of Cabinet. It does not represent the feelings, desires, wishes or program that all the Members of this House aspire to.

Madam Speaker, I would urge the public to view the report with a very critical eye. I know that I will.

---Applause

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Concerns Re Privatization Of NWT Power Corporation

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 37

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for High Arctic , Mr. Pudluk .

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Member's Statement Re Concerns With Changes To Rent Scale

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 37

Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. There are growing concerns in this House about social housing in the NWT. We are all aware that it is getting more difficult to get housing and we know about the new rent scale to be implemented in the Nunavut area. The Advisory Committee on Social Housing was given the responsibility for and funding of about $5 million to go to the home ownership program. About 95 per cent of the funding went to the west. At that time, people in Nunavut weren't that serious about going into home ownership.

That was not too long ago, but today there is increasing home ownership in the Nunavut area because they are starting to realize how difficult it is to get housing. More people are interested in being home owners. I want them to be considered before the new rent scale comes into effect because this seems to be so sudden. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 37

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine .

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Water And Sewer Subsidy Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 37

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Today I would like to express my appreciation for the water and sewage services subsidy program that the Minister of MACA announced on Monday. This subsidy program is something I have been pursuing since I got elected over two years ago. It would certainly benefit my constituents in Fort Simpson.

Presently, we don't have a subsidy program in the area in which I live. We pay $15 a trip for water, no matter how much water you get. Some people need two or three trips a week, so if you add all that up and multiply it, you're looking at about $120 to $180 a month we are paying for water. This subsidy program would certainly help. It would reduce the costs for water we use and bring it down to the level which everybody else in the north has been enjoying since 1987 when this subsidy program came into place.

However, there are Members in this House who are concerned about it because of the lack of consultation. I'm told by Members in this House that they have no problem with the village of Fort Simpson getting the subsidized program, however, there is some concern that there was a lack of consultation with other communities. I would appreciate it if the Minister would consult with other communities as soon as possible so this subsidy program could be put in place so that people in my constituency would enjoy the type of subsidy that everybody in the north has been enjoying since 1987. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 37

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Question 27-12(6): Extension Of Federal Food Mail Subsidy

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 37

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Premier , Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker.

---Laughter

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question is directed to the Premier , Madam Premier .

---Laughter

Some time ago, I received a letter from the hamlet council of Pelly Bay regarding the food air freight subsidy to Pelly Bay provided by this government. As we know, Pelly Bay is serviced by air only, but when next summer comes we will be getting barge service.

The concern of the hamlet council of Pelly Bay is that the food subsidy program for the community will be lifted. What the community of Pelly Bay wants is to roll back the cut-off date of the food air subsidy to Pelly Bay for a period of one year. The reasoning behind that is that the only store we have in town is the co-op and it doesn't have a heated warehouse large enough to accommodate a full year's supply. Would the Premier reconsider rolling back the cut-off date for a period of one year? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 38

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Question 27-12(6): Extension Of Federal Food Mail Subsidy

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 38

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I believe the responsibility for that particular subsidy program is under the Minister responsible for Government Services. I would suggest that Minister respond to this question. Thank you.

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Question 27-12(6): Extension Of Federal Food Mail Subsidy

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 38

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Government Services, Morin.

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Question 27-12(6): Extension Of Federal Food Mail Subsidy

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 38

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Member raises a legitimate concern about the food subsidy. I will take it up with the Minister responsible, the Minister of Indian Affairs. That is where the funding comes from. I will make sure they know of your concern and I will try to address it. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 38

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 28-12(6): Extension Of Time For Community Consultation Re New Rent Scale

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 38

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. Today I have a question regarding the new rent scale that was tabled yesterday by the Minister of the Housing Corporation . I have a few very serious concerns regarding the process of consultation and the Minister's insensitivity for concerns that have been expressed by my constituents and myself.

Madam Speaker, I was shocked yesterday to learn the document that was tabled by the Minister of Housing was, in fact, the final rental scale. I was under the impression, based on the Minister's previous remarks, that there would be thorough consultation prior to a new rental scale being finalized. Given the fact that there was a lot of concern and confusion in my constituency and others regarding the new rent scale, would the Minister consider allowing for more time for communities to study and comment on the new rent scale? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Question 28-12(6): Extension Of Time For Community Consultation Re New Rent Scale

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 38

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Unfortunately, Mr. Pudlat , according to our rules, whenever there is a document in committee of the whole, questions cannot be posed to the appropriate Ministers on that document. Therefore, your question would be more appropriate when you are in committee of the whole. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Question 29-12(6): Method Of Informing Public Of Hunting Seasons

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 38

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Renewable Resources . Earlier in my Member's statement, I spoke on a situation where a constituent in my constituency was charged for taking an animal out of season as a result of him not knowing of the hunting season, and also as a result of the posted notice for a reward by his department, even though it was still posted out of season. How are members of the public made aware of the hunting seasons in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Question 29-12(6): Method Of Informing Public Of Hunting Seasons

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 38

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Question 29-12(6): Method Of Informing Public Of Hunting Seasons

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 38

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, I will take the question as notice and prepare an appropriate response for the Member. Thank you.

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Question 29-12(6): Method Of Informing Public Of Hunting Seasons

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 38

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Amittuq , Mr. Allooloo .

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Question 30-12(6): Update On Military Activities In The High Arctic

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 38

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. During the last sitting of this legislature, I asked a question with regard to military activity in north Baffin in the late 1950s. I did not get a report back whether the government was able to find out from the federal government what actually happened. I wonder if the Premier is able to update us on what has been happening. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 38

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 38

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, the information is being sought. We don't have anything conclusive at this time. As the Member knows, there has been difficulty in the past in getting the information. I want to assure the Member that we are working on it. The information is beginning to flow it, but it is taking more time, mainly because of the date that it happened. There have been differences of opinion on exactly what it was that we were trying to seek the information for. We have had some answers, but they all seem to relate to what the flashes were, rather than what was put into the air.

As soon as the information is accumulated, I will make sure the Members have the information. I can assure the Member that the issue is being actively worked on. Thank you.

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Page 38

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Question 31-12(6): Progress On Policy For Walk-in Freezers

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 39

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I have a motion that was passed back in 1991. It is with regard to walk-in freezers. I have asked for one for Kakisa and it was supported and passed. When Mr. Allooloo was the Minister, he also said that Renewable Resources and MACA were going to develop a policy. That policy should have been ready in February of 1993, but I haven't heard anything since that time. Has there been any progress made since that time on this whole business of walk-in freezers? I know Kakisa has been asking about this, but I haven't received a report on it.

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Question 31-12(6): Progress On Policy For Walk-in Freezers

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 39

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 39

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, I believe we just reached an agreement with the Department of Public Works. We will be drafting the letter to communities in the near future. Kakisa can expect a letter from us, following some decisions to formalize it through Cabinet. Thank you.

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Page 39

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Gargan .

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Question 31-12(6): Progress On Policy For Walk-in Freezers

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 39

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Since February of last year, were there any Executive decisions on the policy? Has that been finalized?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 39

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 39

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

I am not certain of that, Madam Speaker. I do know we would like to consolidate all of the costs incurred by this government under one ministry and look at an economical way of continuing to provide support to those communities that need the services of walk-in freezers and perhaps give them the options of other types of services that could meet the same needs in places like Kakisa. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 39

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Question 32-12(6): Status Of Agreement With Federal Government Re National Infrastructure Program

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 39

Henry Zoe

North Slave

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Question 32-12(6): Status Of Agreement With Federal Government Re National Infrastructure Program

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 39

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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Page 39

John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Good afternoon. Madam Speaker, the agreement between us and Canada has not yet been concluded. I attended a meeting two and a half weeks ago with the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs. We agreed that the next draft of the proposed agreement would be drafted by ourselves. That was done. I received word from them early this week that it doesn't quite meet their requirements and they are going to let us know what the problems are. So we are very close, but we have not yet reached agreement, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 39

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Supplementary, Madam Speaker. When does the Minister anticipate that this agreement will be concluded?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 39

John Pollard

Hay River

I think myself and Cabinet, Madam Speaker, would like to conclude the agreement as soon as possible. I'm assured by the Minister of Indian Affairs that he wants to see it done as quickly as possible, as well. But I don't think either of us are willing to sign an agreement that doesn't satisfy either the federal government or ourselves when we're speaking selfishly. I'm hoping that in the next few weeks we'll be able to put this thing to bed and make the announcement, but I can't say for sure that that's the case. But we're close enough that I think in a few weeks we'll have it resolved. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Question 32-12(6): Status Of Agreement With Federal Government Re National Infrastructure Program

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 39

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Supplementary, Madam Speaker. The reason I'm saying that is because the Minister indicated that hopefully we will be able to knock that program certainly by the end of this session. That was during the Fifth Session, Madam Speaker, and we've already concluded the Fifth Session. That's why I wanted to get a time frame from the Minister. He hasn't really indicated the time frame, so I would like to pose my question again. What is the time frame that we're looking at?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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Question 32-12(6): Status Of Agreement With Federal Government Re National Infrastructure Program

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 40

John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, my time frame is as soon as possible, but I have instructions from Cabinet that I have to reach an agreement within a certain set of parameters. As is always the case when there are two people negotiating, it's difficult for me to say that it's going to be a month, two weeks, three weeks or tomorrow, because there are two parties who are sitting at the table trying to reach an agreement.

But certainly for our part we'd like it to be as soon as possible, but I can't speak for the federal government in saying that they will sit down and comply with all our requests, the same as they can't speak for us and say that we will comply with all their requests. It's a matter of negotiations. It is moving along as fast as we can move it along, and hopefully within a few weeks it will be concluded, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 33-12(6): Status Of Document For Resupplying Government Operations By Barge Along Mackenzie Valley

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 40

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Honourable Minister, Don Morin , Minister of Public Works and Services . It's with regard to another thing that I have been pursuing in this House from day one, with regard to the water carriers directive that the Cabinet has been operating on. There is a business in my constituency that would like to have the opportunity to provide barging services for resupplying government operations down the valley. The Minister had indicated earlier that he had prepared a document for Cabinet's perusal, and I would like to know what the status of this is. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 40

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. When NTCL was sold, eight or ten years ago, it was carrier of first choice for all federal government freight. Consequently, Cabinet of the Northwest Territories Executive Council made a decision to give NTCL carrier first choice. The federal government had their decision in place for eight years, and that is lapsed now so we have revisited that decision. We have made the decision to remove the designation of NTCL as carrier of first choice for the Mackenzie corridor, excluding Inuvik and Tuktoyaktuk.

Also, as part of the decision, it is my responsibility as the Minister responsible for the Department of Public Works to also begin negotiations with NTCL in the next year to negotiate better rates for freight in all other areas. I have one year to negotiate those rates with NTCL in order to extend their carrier of first choice in all other areas. We have until the 1995 shipping season to do that. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. A supplementary to that question is would the water carrier business in my constituency be eligible now to bid for resupplying of government supplies down the valley? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

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Thank you, Madam Speaker. As of today, yes.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Question 34-12(6): Written Information Supplied During Consultation Process On New Rent Scale

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Without attempting to abuse the rules of the House, Madam Speaker, I have some questions about the process for consultation on the social housing rent scale, and not about the paper itself. I would like to pose a question to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation .

Madam Speaker, yesterday in response to some questions I asked, I believe the Minister for the Housing Corporation -- when responding to a question about whether written material was circulated at the community consultation meetings held earlier this year and late last year -- said words to the effect of "knowing government, I'm sure something written was put forward." I would like to ask the Minister, since yesterday has he had a chance to review whether, in fact, his officials did provide any written information to communities during the round of community consultation meetings held late last fall and early in the new year? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you, Mr. Patterson . I recognize that there is nothing in the document tabled with regard to the process used. Minister of Housing , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The new rent scale consultation process has been an ongoing issue for some time. In March of 1987 there had been a public discussion paper for need for a new rent scale, and that was distributed to all communities in the Northwest Territories. Then in June of 1988, the NWT Housing Corporation released a second public discussion paper and possible options for a new rent scale. In February of 1990, a new rent scale was tabled in the Legislative Assembly by the previous Minister, the Honourable Tom Butters. Also, in May of 1993, the Advisory Committee on Social Housing approved the rent scale review process. In July of 1993, a bulletin on rent scale review was

distributed to all the tenants. That describes the review process and assures tenants that the corporation would talk to tenants to explain the impacts of the new rent scale. In the fall and winter of 1993-94, community consultation meetings were held in each community. District managers explained the rent scale review process, and many tenants at that time took advantage of the opportunity to express concerns and make suggestions to improve the existing scale. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Madam Speaker, I have a lot of respect for the Minister, but I'm going to become impatient if my questions aren't answered. My question was -- and I'm going to waste a supplementary asking it again -- not did the district managers consult communities in the fall and early winter, not was the rental increase discussed -- I know it was, I attended one of those meetings myself. My question is, was there any written information presented by the district managers at the community consultation meetings late last fall and early winter? Yes or no. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Minister of Housing , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The information I have is that in the fall and in winter of 1993-94 during the community consultation process, meetings were held and district managers explained -- they went through flip charts -- the whole rent scale review process. At that time, they explained the principles of the review and ask for comments on how to achieve those principles from the constituents of Mr. Patterson , as well as other Members of this Assembly. They took that input and brought it back to myself and the Advisory Committee on Social Housing. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Madam Speaker, I've carefully reviewed my notes of the community consultation meeting I attended and took the trouble to seek first-hand information about whether written material was provided or not from the Housing Corporation, itself. And, I can tell the honourable Minister, respectfully, that there were no flip charts at the meeting I attended in Iqaluit and there was no written information provided to any of the Baffin communities during the Baffin consultations.

Having stated that fact, Madam Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister, if all that happened were discussions of principle, in his own words, and there was no detailed information -- and, in fact, no written information -- presented at the so-called final round of community consultation meetings late last fall and early last winter, how can the Minister assert to this House -- as he did in his statement yesterday -- that there has been meaningful consultation with communities? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The NWT Housing Corporation went to every community last fall and consulted on the new rent scale. The process used, and that was approved by the Special Committee on Social Housing as well as Cabinet, was that we would go out and speak to the communities. We would have no final document to take to communities. It is the proper way to go out and get people's ideas and talk about an idea with communities to get their input, and to later draw up a final document.

If you are going to go out with a final document, there's no sense doing it that way because communities would not like that. We went through the process of going out and canvassing and talking to communities to get their ideas about how to reach the principles of changing the old rental scale to the new rental scale. Communities gave us many good ideas and we put them into the new rent scale and that is what I tabled yesterday. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Madam Speaker, given that the Minister has admitted in the answer to my last question that the final document has not been presented to the communities -- and my community has yet to receive the information, had I not faxed it to them last night -- and given that the Minister has also admitted that communities would not like being presented with a final document without a chance for further input, will the Minister now commit that, once the final round of consultations takes place in May or June -- as announced in his statement yesterday -- communities will still have an opportunity to provide input and constructive suggestions on how this final document can be amended and improved before it is implemented in July of this year?

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Mr. Patterson , I have some problems with your question. Your question is about a document that has been tabled. With respect to the process, your question is allowed under the rules. However, referring to a particular document which has been tabled in the House is not allowed under the rules. Therefore, I would ask if you would rephrase your question and not refer to the document that is in committee of the whole? The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I appreciate your advice. Madam Speaker, my question, then, to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation is, given that he's announced there will be a round of community consultations in May and June and given that changes in rent scales are not to be implemented until July -- according to his

statement in the House yesterday -- I would like to ask the Minister to state clearly to this House if he will be open to accepting constructive criticism and advice from communities and implementing worthwhile recommendations before July 1, if good advice comes out of the round of community consultations in May and June of this year? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speake