Oral Questions, Student Financial Assistance Act — 13 February 1997 (13th Assembly, 4th Session, pp. 603–633)

1997-02-13, 13th Assembly 4th Session, pp. 603–633

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Oral Questions, Student Financial Assistance Act — 13 February 1997 (13th Assembly, 4th Session, pp. 603–633)

1997-02-13, 13th Assembly 4th Session, pp. 603–633

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Debates of Feb. 13th, 1997

This is page numbers 603 - 633 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Aboriginal Achievement Award

Comments By Mr. Amagoalik

Losses Suffered By Teachers

Energy Efficiency Initiatives

Nunavut Leaders' Summit

Jury Selection Process

Comparative Fiscal Situations

Preparing For Nunavut

Accessing Mining Jobs/opportunities

Times Are Changing

Recreational Facilities For Detah And Ndilo

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Compensation For Fire Losses

Jury Selection Process

Housing Needs Survey

Child Care Subsidies

Taloyoak Airstrip Extension

Energy Efficiency Initiatives

Comparison With Other Jurisdictions

Negotiated Contracts

Broughton Island Airport Terminal

Arviat Airport Lighting System

Hospital Construction Timelines

Negotiated Contracts

Privatization Policies

Written Question 17-13(4): Layoff Provisions - Education Leave Option

Item 8: Returns To Written Questions

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Bill 12:

An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Recommendation Of Cr 4-13(4): Resource Management

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Samuel Gargan , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . I would like to inform the House that the Member for Hay River , Mrs. Groenewegen , will be absent from the House for the next few days because of the death of her father, Mr. Robert Ostler. I would like to offer condolences on behalf of all Members to Mrs. Groenewegen and her family in this difficult time. Our thoughts and prayers are with you. Mr. Ootes .

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On behalf of the Ordinary Members' Caucus, I too would like to express sincerest condolences to our colleague from Hay River, Mrs. Jane Groenewegen and her family on the passing of her father, Robert Ostler. Mr. Ostler visited the Legislative Assembly a few months ago and he was very impressed with our building. In fact, Mrs. Groenewegen has often commented that her father could not stop talking about the beauty and uniqueness of our Assembly building. Mr. Ostler was also a faithful follower of the Assembly's proceedings, which he watched on Television Northern Canada. Our thoughts and prayers are with you during this very difficult time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Deputy Premier, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I also would like to offer condolences, on behalf of the government, to Mrs. Groenewegen and her family on the death of her father. Our prayers and wishes are with her and her family. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo . Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Aboriginal Achievement Award

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, as part of the Aboriginal Achievement Awards, 1000 aboriginal students from across Alberta were gathered in Calgary earlier this month for a career trade show. The 14 recipients of the achievement awards were asked to speak to the students about their lives, about issues important to them and, in some cases, to demonstrate their talents. Mr. Kiawak Ashoona constituent of mine from Cape Dorset who received an achievement award, was asked to demonstrate to these young people how he carves and to talk about how he is inspired to create something so beautiful from a piece of soapstone. The carving you see here in the Chamber today, is a result of that.

-- Applause

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Aboriginal Achievement Award

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo . Members' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Comments By Mr. Amagoalik

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, I had the opportunity late last week to participate in the 1997 National Aboriginal Achievement Awards in Calgary. As I previously mentioned, I was deeply moved by what I saw there. The celebration of achievements of the past and of the present gives me a lot of hope for the future of aboriginal people.

Mr. Speaker, since the achievement awards, I have been thinking a lot about what the future holds for the aboriginal people and, more specifically, about what lies ahead for Inuit with the creation of Nunavut. This is a time of great promise for us and for everyone who will be part of Nunavut. It is also a time when I believe we need to be careful about what we build and how we build it.

In this regard, Mr. Speaker, I have been disappointed by recent developments on the road to Nunavut. I have hesitated now for more than a week about commenting on recent statements made by the Chief Commissioner of the Nunavut Implementation Commission and by the President of Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated, about Members of this Assembly.

Mr. Amagoalik, who we all respect for the important role he has played in helping Nunavut move beyond idea to reality, made statements on CBC in late January in which he went out of his way to say that "Pudlanak tend to get confused. Some are very easily confused." He made this comment in relation to MLAs which, in my view, showed great disrespect for this Assembly and for our Members elected to serve here. This is very disappointing to me.

Mr. Speaker, as we move towards Nunavut, we must do what we can to make sure the foundation we construct our future on is strong. Attacking people on the basis of race and promoting intolerance can only weaken those foundations, and put at risk our future as a strong, tolerant and just society. Mr. Amagoalik knows full well that aboriginal people, including Inuit, have too often been on the wrong end of prejudice and racism. Mr. Speaker, I would like to conclude my statement.

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Comments By Mr. Amagoalik

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Aivilik is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Ms. Thompson , you have unanimous consent.

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Comments By Mr. Amagoalik

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Becoming the majority does not give us the right to abuse those who will find themselves in minority. For me, Mr. Speaker, it does exactly the opposite. We have an obligation to make sure Nunavut is a place where, if we are to be intolerant of anything, it must be of intolerance itself. Similar comments were made by the President of NTI in an interview on TVNC in which he referred to "white people being increasingly very protective of one another." Those remarks may have been less blunt, but they were equally disturbing.

Mr. Speaker, no group of people thinks entirely alike. I, for example, frequently disagree with what I hear from Mr. Amagoalik and Mr. Kusugak. Perhaps this will lead to me also being dismissed as confused. So be it. But I offer this caution. Whenever political leaders depersonalize individuals or groups of people, they play a very dangerous game. If we truly want to do things differently in Nunavut, it is a game we cannot afford to play. I want to add, Mr. Speaker, that if Mr. Amagoalik wants to be taken seriously on issues like gender equality, he must be fully committed to all aspects of equality. No lower standard will be acceptable.

Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned earlier, I was reluctant to raise these issues but, after thinking about it for more than a week, I concluded that something needed to be said. May I say that I, one day, hope to see Mr. Amagoalik and Mr. Kusugak walk across the stage of the National Aboriginal Achievement Awards in recognition of their genuine lifetime achievements. This is more likely to happen if they return to the standard to which of all of us should be firmly committed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Comments By Mr. Amagoalik

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 604

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Thompson . Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Losses Suffered By Teachers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 604

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is in regard to the loss of materials in the fire in Fort McPherson, on which I made a statement in the House and asked questions of the Minister. I am very disappointed with his response that teachers should have insurance when they have materials which they leave in the school for the purpose of educating our students.

Mr. Speaker, in a fire at the Old Crow school which was destroyed a couple of weeks ago, the community of Fort McPherson, people in the Mackenzie Delta and the rest of Canada made every effort to help out in regards to purchasing clothing for the children. The Minister of Education in the Yukon made a statement on TVNC clearly stating her support for the teachers in the Old Crow disaster to help recover and replace the teachers' materials lost in that fire, to replace the cost to those teachers.

Yet, this Minister stands up in the House and says, "Well, I have to have insurance for my camera if anything happens to it. They should have insurance." I find that awfully offensive to our teachers who are making every effort with the limited resources we have, overcrowding in classrooms and not having the support from this government, in relation to the negotiating talks that are presently under way. I find it awfully offensive. With regards to our teachers, I support them in every effort they are making.

In relation to their loss, the people of the Northwest Territories have always come forward and supported people who have been in disasters such as fires. I think this government should do the same.

Mr. Speaker, in closing, I will be asking the Minister a question in regards to compensating teachers for the loss in the school. As far as I can see, it is the responsibility of this government to ensure that the teachers have the materials they need in the day to day operation of the delivery of education to our students, our children and the people in those communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Losses Suffered By Teachers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 604

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Energy Efficiency Initiatives

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 604

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, energy costs are one of the single, largest costs that this government has to bear. In this time of budget reductions and rising energy costs, where the price of oil is going up, the airfares are increasing, it becomes even more critical to look at ways to recognize and realize energy efficiencies which will translate into savings of money to this government and to the people of the Northwest Territories, which is even more important when you look at the growing social problems and the needs that we have and the inadequate funds that we have to address those.

Mr. Speaker, the community of Fort Smith has embarked on two pilot projects that could have significant impact on the development of energy and energy efficiency in the north. Specifically, they have embarked on a hydrogen development project using cutting edge technology, as well as a district heating program for the community entirely funded from the private sector, which is going to realize enough savings over the long term that there will be a benefit to all the people of the Northwest Territories in terms of power rates.

I would like to congratulate the people of Fort Smith and NTPC for working with the community on these two initiatives that will have, I am very confident, a positive impact and will benefit the people of the Northwest Territories overall as they realize the potential that is currently there. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Energy Efficiency Initiatives

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Nunavut Leaders' Summit

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 605

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we all know that in 1999 the Northwest Territories will be divided with the establishment of Nunavut and a new western territory. As division approaches, we know that a considerable amount of work remains to be done. With that in mind, I want to take a few moments today to address some important issues of particular relevance to Nunavut.

Mr. Speaker, the Nunavut Caucus and the Premier will be travelling to Cambridge Bay this weekend to participate in a Nunavut Leaders' Summit. This meeting has been called to discuss a number of issues that need to be resolved so that we can move ahead in our planning for Nunavut. Mr. Speaker, I look forward to this meeting.

Not only because it permits me the opportunity to travel to my home constituency during session, but it also gives us an opportunity to clear the air on several fronts, including the following: we need to make an effort to find consensus on the government design, we need to decide on the nature of the Nunavut Legislative Assembly, we need to determine how we can ensure the long term fiscal stability of Nunavut and finally, and in my mind most importantly, we need to ensure the efficiency and effectiveness of the programs and services that will have to sustain post division.

In recent weeks we have had the benefit of receiving the NIC report, Footprints Two; a GNWT response to that report; an NTI response and, most recently, a letter from the federal DIAND Minister, Mr. Irwin, that comments on elements of that report. All of this is useful because it gives us the opportunity to see where various parties are coming from. In that spirit, I want to set out my thoughts on issues that in my view have not yet received sufficient attention.

Mr. Speaker, like others in this House, I look forward to the day when Nunavut becomes reality and, like others, I am committed to seeing that happen early in 1999. However, I am concerned that many people have become so preoccupied with the design of government and bureaucracies that we are failing to dedicate similar levels of energy and attention to the issues that should more appropriately demand our attention. It may well be that the role that I currently find myself in as Minister of Health, Social Services and Justice has an impact on my thinking and on my priorities. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Nunavut Leaders' Summit

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 605

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Kitikmeot is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Ng , you have unanimous consent.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 605

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, honourable colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I believe that we need to move beyond playing around with what government should look like in favour of concentrating our energies on what government should do. The Nunavut government design may be of great interest to lawyers, consultants, and political academics. However, I find it surprising, given clear evidence of extra-ordinary forced growth pressures on spending, particularly in the social envelope, that we continue to spend so much time on how to elect a Premier and whether we should have two Member constituencies.

Mr. Speaker, I believe we need to focus on the painfully obvious indicators of unstable social conditions such as poor health status, extreme housing needs, high rates of suicide, substance abuse, violent crime and incarceration. These issues are the ones which will end up managing or consuming us if we choose to ignore them. Mr. Speaker, I do not want anyone to take my comments to mean that I am not serious about the need to deal with government design.

For example, I support the principal of decentralization, but I do so based on an expectation that plans for decentralization must be based on models that are not only effective, but are also affordable and efficient. I am less concerned about the number of departments created than I am about whether proposed plans will result in a government capable of delivering the programs and services that are essential to people in our communities. Mr. Speaker, without good planning and long term fiscal security, we will find it difficult to achieve that fundamental objective.

I believe if we separate related departments, particularly in the social envelope, we will be moving backwards rather than forward.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would like to summarize by saying, yes, let us reach a consensus on a government design for Nunavut, but more importantly, let us not forget that our priority, our ultimate goal and our responsibility as leaders is to ensure that the new government can effectively deliver affordable programs and services to our constituents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Jury Selection Process

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 606

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

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Jury Selection Process

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Comparative Fiscal Situations

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 606

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, for the past 18 months we have struggled to address the fiscal problems facing us. Most Members of this House believe that you should not spend more than you have. I agreed with this when I was elected and I still believe that it is a sound philosophy now. As people worry about how bad things are, I want to remind everyone of how much better off we are than most other jurisdictions.

Mr. Speaker, across Canada, governments have been cutting programs and downsizing trying to bring their spending under control. Seldom is there a day that goes past that we do not hear a story from one province or another about facility closures or program reductions. Unlike our southern counterparts, we are not spending a big chunk of our budget paying interest for our debts. The amount other places spend in interest to service their debt is scary. For example, Nova Scotia has a budget of $4.5 billion. They spend almost 20 percent of that on interest payments.

Prince Edward Island, the smallest province in Canada spends 15 percent or $121 million of their $800 million budget on interest. Last year this government spent under $3 million on interest costs. Other jurisdictions have had to slash their capital budget to bring costs down. New Brunswick put a freeze on any new capital projects, while Nova Scotia cut their capital spending by 44 percent.

While we have had to make some reductions in capital, we have managed to keep the majority of our capital in place. Yes, we have had a difficult couple of years here in the NWT, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. The contributions of all the people of the Northwest Territories have put us in good shape for the years to come.

Not only have we cut, but we have also introduced initiatives designed to start addressing the cause of some of our social problems. We would take comfort that we took control of our fiscal situation before it ran away on us.

Unlike the provinces, we do not have to give our dollars to the banks and interest payments. In years to come, we can focus our energy and dollars on making a better life for all the residents of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Comparative Fiscal Situations

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Preparing For Nunavut

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what does Nunavut mean? It means our land, our place. This is the meaning of Nunavut. There was a vote on division in the north and the majority of the people voted for division so that they can have self-government. They expected to have better employment and better programs. The problem was the operation from a far headquarters such as Ottawa and Yellowknife. We wanted to solve these problems. They have expected to get better jobs and have trained for division.

I know that there are a lot of young people that are getting an education to prepare for Nunavut and are appreciated by their parents, so that they can run their region on their own. I know that we will have public government. We have expected to start running the government. I know that there are a lot of social problems, probably because of low employment. So, I want people to remember that there will be people that will need jobs. I would like to have capable employees and I would like to see the Nunavut government run properly, but I want people to remember the people of Nunavut. Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. (Translation ends).

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Preparing For Nunavut

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Accessing Mining Jobs/opportunities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last fall, the NWT Chamber of Mines, the NWT Construction Association and the Yellowknife Chamber of Commerce, along with a number of organizations in the mining industry, sponsored a mining symposium. One of the recommendations from the symposium was to look into the feasibility of providing a one-stop access approach to job and contract opportunities in the mining industry. A committee was formed to create a workplan and a strategy. Members of that committee included the YK Chamber of Commerce, the NWT Mobilization Group, Construction Association, mining industries, the NWT Chamber of Mines, and the federal and territorial governments.

The progress to date, Mr. Chairman, is as follows: the Human Resources Development Canada resume employee skills identification program, better known by the acronym as Connector, is being evaluated by the N.W.T. Construction Association. This is a program that could be used as a universal resume for potential employees in the communities and serve as a bank for employers to select potential workers.

The NWT Construction Association is also delivering a job placement, employer subsidy program directed at construction related industry jobs, including those at Koala Camp site. Office Compliments, here in Yellowknife, is also delivering a similar program for clerical administrative employees. Both programs are placing workers with a broad range of employers.

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Accessing Mining Jobs/opportunities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Times Are Changing

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 607

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There has been some recent sentiment being expressed in different parts of the public by some spokesman lamenting the fact that perhaps they are tired, too old, they do not have the energy, they do not have the vision and the commitment to do more than a few things at this time. I just wanted to stand and say that we can do better than that. I think we are capable of doing great things. I think we are capable of doing many things and that we do not have to resign ourselves to doing one or two little things at a time.

We can do work at the community level, at the regional level, at the national level, and at the international level. All we need is a vision, a plan, and the commitment. To those that say we cannot, I say to them, I heard you, now get out of the way. So that those of us that want to get the job done, can do it. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Recreational Facilities For Detah And Ndilo

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 607

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a few days ago I made a statement about how the communities of Detah and Ndilo are often overlooked for funding because they are next to Yellowknife. I would like to expand on that a little bit.

Mr. Speaker, recreation is a vital part of a healthy lifestyle and the GNWT is one of the partners in promoting active living. It is common sense that recreation is a positive way to fill leisure time. It is a great example as opposed to hanging around on alcohol and drugs. A super example of this is the young people from Rae-Edzo. With the guidance of a dedicated coach, they have focused their energies on soccer and they are now travelling to Europe. They dominate the soccer tournaments they take

part in. This athletic ability has transferred over to basketball, as evidenced in the tournament that they participated in here in Yellowknife last weekend.

Mr. Speaker, the teenagers and young people of Ndilo and Detah need the same opportunity. They do not have adequate recreation facilities. They do have a community hall, of course, for meetings, recreation, and other community activities, but there is not enough space. I must admit that it is better than nothing, but most communities in the NWT have a skating rink, which makes sense with our long winters. It is great for skating, hockey, speed skating, broom ball. There is a lot of opportunities for all ages and interests. Unfortunately, Detah and Ndilo do not have a rink.

Most people cannot afford to use the facilities in Yellowknife. This is due to transportation costs and most people cannot afford to have a vehicle. User fees, of course, are exorbitant and the Arctic Winter Games, mere pipe dreams, Mr. Speaker. A rink would give the youth another way to focus their energies, a gathering place and a way to promote good health. Mr. Speaker, the youth in Ndilo and Detah need the same opportunities as those in other small communities across the north. They should not be penalized for being next door to the city of Yellowknife. Thank you.

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Page 607

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Dent .

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 607

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a reply to a question asked by Mrs. Groenewegen on January 29th, 1997. Mr. Speaker, I would like to provide a response regarding the details and timing of the review of Government of the Northwest Territories programs and services to seniors.

As I mentioned previously in the Assembly, the Social Envelope Committee is currently conducting a review of all GNWT programs and services, which specifically support seniors in the Northwest Territories. The review will expand on the analysis of programs and services which have already been undertaken. The review will identify the consistencies and inconsistencies of current programming. It will identify gaps or duplication in service and ways of improving seniors' access to government programs and services.

The NWT Seniors' Advisory Council is a valued advisory body for seniors in the Northwest Territories. We will be seeking input, comments, and advice from the council as we proceed with the study. We will also seek the participation of the council in conducting some of the research necessary to establish a clear profile of government programming. I will provide a progress report to the Standing Committee on Social Programs prior to the end of this session. I have asked the Social Envelope Committee to prepare a final report by May 1997, which is the scheduled beginning of the next session of the Assembly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Page 608

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Todd .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 608

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity today to recognize Ms. Shelly Huckster. Now, all of you may find this surprising, but this charming young lady, believe it or not, is the mommy of my executive assistant, Richard Bargery. With Ms. Huckster is Ms. June Puts, and Ms. Puts, Mr. Picco is not here, is visiting from Springdale, Newfoundland. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 608

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Page 608

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize half of my family here in this building. Up in the gallery is my daughter Valarie Enuaraq and my son Andrew Enuaraq. Also in this building is my wife, Elizapino, and my other daughter, Janet Enuaraq, and my other son, Norman Enuaraq. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 306-13(4): Compensation For Fire Losses

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 608

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education in relation to lost items in fires, especially in relation to items which belonged to teachers. I would like to ask the Minister if he would seriously look at considering compensating teachers by replacing those items which have been lost in the fires in Fort McPherson? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture, and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 608

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not aware if the department has a policy to compensate teachers for materials that have been brought to school for use in the teaching program. I will ask the department to advise me and inform the Member as soon as possible. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 608

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Regarding the policy, in case they are not covered, will the Minister make an attempt to sit down with these teachers and seriously look at items which have been lost in this fire, to see if there is a mechanism or a way to assist the teachers in replacing these items? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Page 608

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to be sure to involve the Beaufort Delta Education Council in any such discussions. After checking on the policy with the department, I will follow up and find out whether or not the Beaufort Delta District Divisional Education Council has a policy, and inform the Member whether that might be another avenue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 608

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In relation to the policy, could the Minister seriously consider looking at the policy and possibly making some revisions to it to allow, in the instance such as fires in the school, which are not, in case of arson or whatever, the fault of the teacher or the students. It should be revised so there is coverage for teachers and items that are brought to school by teachers for the purpose of teaching in the classroom. Is there a way to revise the policy to ensure that that coverage is there?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I will commit to discussing that with officials from the department and respond to the Member as soon as possible. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Barnabas .

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Question 307-13(4): Jury Selection Process

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 608

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Qujannamiik. As I mentioned in my Member's statement earlier, my question is to the Minister responsible for Justice , the Honourable Kelvin Ng . In many small communities, many people have lots of relatives. When there is a need for jury trial in the community, it can be very hard to find people who are not related to an accused in some way. Does the department, through the sheriff's office, decide who gets called for jury duty? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Barnabas .

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Sorry, Mr. Speaker. How does the department, through the sheriff's office, decide who gets called for jury duty? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Justice . Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 609

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe that jury summonses are chosen at random from the community. Individuals are summoned to court to hear whether or not they would be eligible to sit on a jury. If there are conflicts because of being related, either to the victim or the accused, then those types of issues are brought forward at the initial discussions with jurors to excuse those that may be in those conflict of interest situations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Barnabas .

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not certain whether or not the summonses are translated. I can find out that information and advise the honourable Member. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. People can be confused when they get official documents from the court. There is often a need to explain what they are getting, that is, a summons for jury duty rather than something that says they have to be in court themselves. How are the summons for jury duty given to people? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding in a majority of communities right now, that the RCMP act in that capacity to deliver summonses and serve them upon potential jurors. To my recollection, I know in my communities that they try to make sure that, if there is a unilingual individual involved, there is somebody in the household that understands what is being served and explains the process to the prospective individuals that are receiving those summonses. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Rabesca .

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Question 308-13(4): Housing Needs Survey

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 609

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as you know, it has been some time since we heard about the NWTHC needs survey. My communities and the rest of the communities in the Northwest Territories might be interested in finding out when this survey will be completed and when the figures from the latest survey be used to determine the needs for all the communities. With this in mind, Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , has this needs survey been completed? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 609

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the survey is very near completion and we hope to provide Members of the Assembly with copies of, not only the survey, but of our analysis sometime towards the end of March.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 309-13(4): Child Care Subsidies

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 609

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to follow up on some questions that I was attempting to ask yesterday with the Minister of Education before I was cut off by the clock. I asked the Minister, Mr. Dent , a question concerning day cares and subsidies. My question was, when was the last time the child care subsidy had been increased for day cares in the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The last time changes were made to the program was September 1st, 1994.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 309-13(4): Child Care Subsidies

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 609

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, having been the president of the Iqaluit Childcare Association, I am familiar with the subsidies and how it works. Can the Minister update me as to that process with the day care subsidies per child? What is the amount per child for day care?

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Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the funding elements of the early childhood program consist of a user subsidy to parents to assist with the cost of accessing early childhood programs. We also have a program

which offers start-up funding to assist with the establishment of licensed, non-profit, early childhood programs. We offer a program which provides contributions to help licensed, non-profit, early childhood programs with ongoing costs. The contributions to parents to subsidize the cost depend, Mr. Speaker, on what specific program their child is going for, and range from a maximum of $700 a month to $135 a month. I would be pleased to provide the Member with some detailed information, but would not want to tie up this House to rattle off all of the different categories and funding amounts. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate that. On the ongoing cost contributions to day cares, if a particular day care finds itself in financial difficulty, through no fault of its own, I wonder if there is money available, through the contribution agreements through Education, Culture and Employment, to help out that day care? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am unaware of any such program outside of the parameters of the existing early childhood contribution program. I am aware that, in Yellowknife not too long ago, a day care did find itself in financial difficulty and departmental staff were willing to work with parents to assist them to find ways to manage to save the day care and keep it in operation. I do not believe they found any extra funds for them. I think I can advise the Member that department staff are willing and interested in helping parents to preserve a day care that is in trouble.

But, as everyone knows, we are relatively short of funds to make special contributions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 310-13(4): Taloyoak Airstrip Extension

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. My question is directed to the honourable Minister of Transportation . Mr. Speaker, this is in regards to the airport runway extension in Taloyoak. This is not a new issue and I do not think I have to take that much time to explain the purpose of why we need the extension in the runway. This has been provided to the honourable Minister on a number of occasions. I believe the Minister has the information as to why we need the runway.

During the beginning of the session, I asked the same question and the honourable Minister indicated, at that time, that he would communicate with his federal counterpart and come back to me at a later time. My question is, what is the status of the request of the Hamlet of Taloyoak to extend the runway? The extension needed is only 400 feet. I understand the projected cost by this government is in the neighbourhood of $600,000. The community is willing, Mr. Speaker, to see the extension happen. The community is saying that they could do it at a much lesser cost. What is the status of their request?

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation . Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is a request that was made earlier in the session. This is similar to other requests in regards to the extension of the airport. As I indicated earlier, this request is pretty hard to accommodate because of the budget restraint that this department has undergone. We are going to be getting into the details of it later on. It is going to indicate that we are going to be dealing with all these different issues in regards to airport extensions. In this particular case, I have met with the representatives of Taloyoak and the MLA, and our position is still the same. It would be very difficult to accommodate this request at this time. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, supplementary to the same honourable Minister. One of the associated costs to the proposed project was that the runway has to be widened in order to be extended. It is my understanding, Mr. Speaker, that the runway does not have to be widened at this time. Mr. Speaker, my supplementary is, did the Minister communicate with his federal counterpart? When I asked him, he indicated he was going to. Has he had any communication?

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Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not think that we have communicated with the Transport Minister unless someone in the department has. Normally, in some of these requests, somebody in the department will do some preliminary contacts. If this is the case, I will get back to the honourable Member with whatever kind of communication that may have taken place. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the safety of the public and the potential for lives in that situation is also penalized. In the winter and summer as well, we depend upon aircraft for medical evacuation. A number of things are penalized because of the change in the regulations of the federal government. Will the Minister communicate with his federal counterpart and indicate to him that, in fact, the safety of the public is penalized and the safety of people, who are in very life-threatening situations is penalized because we depend on air travel for medical evacuation? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department has had contacts with the Minister of Transportation of the federal government in regard to the changes in their regulations. As you know, we have mentioned this before, the regulations have been changed throughout Canada, so that the actual airport and the amount of take-off that you need has been reduced somewhat in regard to the regulation. In the north here, we have a reprieve until the year 2010. We do not have to comply to the new regulations. However, it is a safety factor and we are very concerned about it.

There have been communications with the federal department in regard to those regulations, and in regards to what the honourable Member is saying about the safety that is a factor here in the north. As I said, one of the main objectives of the department is that we have a safe transportation system. We will continue to communicate with our federal counterpart in this regard. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 311-13(4): Energy Efficiency Initiatives

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 611

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for RWED . It is in regards to the issue of energy and the cost of energy. We spend tens of millions of dollars as a government on the provision of those kinds of services for power, for heat and for lights. There are significant savings to be realized if we would make the investment. Could the Minister indicate his department's interest in the area of energy efficiencies and energy savings, and how he could see him and his department capitalizing on that area of savings? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The department does have a commitment to review and research this whole area of energy conservation, energy efficiency. It is tied to our commitment to protect the environment. It is tied to our commitment to assist business and industry find more efficient use of expensive and limited fuel supplies. It is tied to our commitment, as a government, to look at ways of reducing transportation costs.

It is tied to our commitment, as a government, to reduce operational costs, to free up limited dollars for use in other areas such as the social envelope and other areas where we have had recently to make, unfortunately, some reductions and some cuts. This government has, for instance, made a couple of commitments that are at the local level.

For instance, we have agreed to assist two communities in the Northwest Territories to take a coordinated approach to look at their use of energy, to look at their fuel supply, the types of lighting systems they have, look at their buildings, the way in which they regulate the heat in these places, and take a systematic approach to assisting these communities in reducing the costs that they have to incur in order to heat and light their buildings, and to find ways to make it more efficient and yet improve on the system. This is the type of commitment that we bring to this particular issue. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, the Minister indicated that, as part of the commitment, they are undergoing a review and a development of a strategy. That is what I thought I heard him say. Could the Minister elaborate on this plan for a government-wide strategy in this particular key area? What kind of time frames would he anticipate this to have? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, as Members here know, we have been preoccupied with just trying to keep the standing commitments of the three departments that I started all over with last March. As a Minister, I started off as a Minister of Renewable Resources, as the Minister for Economic Development and Tourism, and the Minister for Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources. It has been my preoccupation, and my staff's, to make sure that the commitments we had made in those three respective departments were all met.

At the same time, we also committed to putting together a plan to amalgamate those three departments, set it up in an operational mode, and staff it. We have managed to do all those. In the meantime, we have tackled issues like the BHP project and now the protected area strategy. Things are happening as we speak.

One of the commitments that we want to make and one, that as a Minister am committed to looking at in a serious way, and which, of course, involves other Ministers such as Mr. Dent , is to look at the energy portfolio to find ways that could be of great benefit to the local communities, to private homes as well as to business and to industry; to look at ways to improve the use of electricity, the use of heating oil; to look for alternative and more efficient ways of providing lighting and heating to all sectors of our economy. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate, as do all the other Members I am sure, the workload that the Minister and his department and officials have had to carry in the last year. I would just like to point out, however, and I think that the Minister is aware of this, the energy savings is a way to save money that does not have to require job cuts or cuts to key program areas. It is basically a win/win situation. I would ask the Minister if he could just confirm more specifically his commitment. In the next year, he has indicated he would like

to start work on that kind of major policy. Will there be involvement of communities and MLAs and such in this process for this key policy? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, yes. I can confirm that, at least myself as a Minister, I am prepared to do work to undertake some sort of initiative which I can advance to Cabinet that would address the area that the Member is referring to. It is not that we have not done anything. What I am saying is that I need some more time to scope out the full area that I want to address. In the meantime, at the community level, just to give people some sense of what it is we are trying to do, we have studied work on helping two communities, Cape Dorset and Fort Simpson.

A team is going in with these two communities to address a way that could be used to do what you would call community energy planning, to address the very points at the local level that the Member is raising. I think that we are off to a good start and I would hope that in the course of the coming fall, perhaps, we may be in a position to speak to Members about something a little more comprehensive. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 312-13(4): Comparison With Other Jurisdictions

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be to the Premier . I spoke today in my Member's statement about two initiatives taken by this government with the support, encouragement and insistence of the Ordinary Members. My question to the Premier is, Mr. Speaker, will the government in the future when they are making Ministers' statements talk about the government initiatives giving more information and comparison about what other jurisdictions are doing? I think it is important to look outside of ourselves to see how we are actually doing here.

I think it would be important for the public of the Northwest Territories to know how we are doing and what we doing in comparison to other jurisdictions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will undertake to make sure that Ministers, when they are preparing their Ministers' statements, look at reflecting on what other jurisdictions are doing so that the general public in the Northwest Territories know how well they do have it in the Northwest Territories compared to southern jurisdictions. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 313-13(4): Negotiated Contracts

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of Public Works , Mr. Arlooktoo . I received from several companies some information. From the NWT Construction Association, a public notice from the Department of Public Works of an intent to negotiate a construction contract for the new Clyde River Community Learning Centre. I believe the value of this may be in the range of $800,000. I also understand that the construction of the Sanikiluaq air terminal was pulled off the public tender list and may be going to either a negotiated or sole-sourced contract. Again, this is a $1 million project.

Yesterday, the Minister said that these types of contracts are rare. Now these are the first of the contracts out of the chute for the coming year, Mr. Speaker. Both of them appear to be negotiated. Certainly, the one is negotiated as advertised. My question for the Minister is, is this the trend of government contracting in these tight economic times?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Public Works and Services . Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, no. It is not the trend. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister confirm how the Sanikiluaq air terminal will be advertised? Will it be a public tender or negotiated or sole-sourced contract? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, as I understand it, a decision has not been made about the Sanikiluaq air terminal building. But I will check with the Minister of Transportation to see exactly where it is at in the process.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister confirm that is it not true that through the public tender system, we can demand the amount of local labour and amount of local content and local accommodation that will be used. Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I would like to clarify again that the vast majority of contracts that this government

lets out are through the public tender process. I believe that the number I indicated the other day was more than 80 percent. In cases where the Cabinet decides to enter into a negotiated contract agreement, we ensure that there is a maximum training, maximum use of local labour. The contractors also have to live up to all other conditions that we place on all other contractors.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder if the Minister could confirm for me and he may not have the answer, if he could get the answer for me, under the federal system of tendering, could he tell me if the federal government allows negotiated or sole-sourced contracts? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I do not know about the overall federal government system, but I know about the Nunavut infrastructure component, the $150 million that the Minister of DIAND announced last year. The decision was made by them to use only the birthright corporations in Nunavut in a negotiated contract system. I could also find out what other processes they use and pass it on to the Member.

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Question 314-13(4): Broughton Island Airport Terminal

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask a question to the Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine . In January, 1996 we had a meeting with the Hamlet of Broughton Island and Mr. Antoine was told, by the hamlet, that the Hamlet of Broughton Island wanted to receive a new airport terminal. I would like to ask Mr. Antoine if there have been any decisions made on the issue of the Broughton Island airport terminal? Have you done anything on this? I am asking this to the Minister of Transportation . Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, for the Broughton Island airport situation, the department has been, through the eastern transportation personnel, working on this issue. They are trying to figure out a way to provide the request that this hamlet has made. Yes, we have been working at it. Hopefully, we will be able to accommodate the municipality as things develop. Thank you.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also have another question for the Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine . You stated that you have been looking into this. I am asking if you can give me a written statement on what is happening up to today, stating what has been happening with the question that I have? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will provide the honourable Member with the development that is taking place in regards to the airport terminal building in Broughton Island. I will try to provide that information to him as soon as I can. Thank you.

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Question 315-13(4): Arviat Airport Lighting System

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Transportation . Mr. Speaker, capital projects help bring critical employment and business opportunities to our communities. Arviat was expecting to get a new airport lighting system for this year. Can the Minister indicate whether or not my community will get this lighting system? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the previous years the Arviat airport had a substantial amount of money, about $500,000, that was put into the five year capital plan in anticipation that the life of this airport and their lighting system would last maybe about 15 to 20 years. As you know, this is a five year capital plan. It is a planning exercise as the year of the actual project comes closer, which is the case in this year.

Last June, personnel from the Department of Transportation went into Arviat and took a real close look at the existing lighting system in Arviat. At that point in time, they determined that the present system could have an additional life of a few more years, like 5 to 8 years, if I recall correctly. This is how long the present system could last. As a result of that, the technicians determined that, perhaps, we could do maybe $50,000 worth of work this year.

I indicated to the Member earlier to our discussions, privately, that once we start looking at the system this summer, if it requires additional work, then we would put that additional work in its place. The information I have is that upon investigating the current system, it does not warrant a substantial amount of work as it was thought previously that it may have required that type of budget. Now it is a smaller budget. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is extremely disappointing to hear that, once again, Arviat will lose a very significant project. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister explain to me the process in relation to who makes the actual recommendation? I have some difficulty in understanding that, at one point, there is a need for a $500,000 retrofit to the airport lighting system, then, at another point, it is not needed anymore. Who actually makes the recommendation? Is it made at the regional level or at the headquarters level? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in this particular case, the technical people went into the communities and took a real close look at the equipment that was there. It was determined, at that time, that it only required about $50,000 worth of work and there was no need to allocate any more resources to that until it is warranted during the actual fixing up of this system. The technical people then report to the assistant deputy minister in the east and this information is moved over towards the headquarters here. During the budget restraint exercise this department had to take, we had to look at everything.

As a result of that, we did not target any community specifically, but we do not need that amount of resources to be allocated to this particular project. As a result, a decision was made here at headquarters level with myself involved, to determine that this project will have less resources put into it than was originally thought it would require. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot begin to tell you the negative impact that this will have on my community, where we suffer from anywhere between 70 and 80 percent unemployment. It could mean possibly four or five jobs short-term even, in the matter of three or four weeks. Mr. Speaker, we talk about community empowerment here, community involvement. Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is, was the community consulted before the decision was made to remove this from the budget or the capital plan? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am told that the hamlet was notified that there were going to be some changes to this particular budget. That is what I have been told by the department officials. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I have indicated, the smaller communities depend heavily on these capital projects to provide some short-term employment. Can the Minister tell me whether there was any consideration given to leaving the funding at least in the community to be used for other projects? Where the money could be used, for example, to extend the runway, which in itself, would provide probably four or five weeks work in the summer for three or four employees? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in this case, no, that was not a factor. This department has taken quite a substantial reduction in participating in the budget reduction exercise. I think that if you look at the total budget, we have taken quite a big hit and we have to do with less all over the place.

I just want to add that, since the honourable Member mentioned his community, that it depends on a lot of different projects to go into the community. I appreciate that. I could add that there are other projects that we have bumped up, last year and this year. I think we put money into the wharf one year ahead of

schedule from monies that came from other parts of the Keewatin, I believe. There are other projects in the honourable Member's constituency, not particularly in Arviat but in the other communities, that we have been able to put more resources into to help out the project. Like I said, again, if a project warrants that additional funds are required, then we try to find it from within the department. But, in this case, the lighting system does not require that amount of funding, so we took it out and we are doing minor repairs with it. If there are other projects that warrant additional resources, we try to find it from within the system. Thank you.

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