Debates of Feb. 24th, 2014

This is page numbers 3851 – 3904 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was communities .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Point Of Privilege

Northern Lands, Northern Leadership

Northwest Territories Teachers’ Association 60th Anniversary And Thank You For Making A Difference

Decision-Making Process

Hospital-Induced Infections

Pedestrian Crosswalks Across Public Highways

Education Week

Investment In Traditional Economy In The Sahtu

Congratulations To East Three Elementary School Basketball Champions

Will And Estate Planning Seminar

Kakisa Wildland Fire Protection Plan

Junior Kindergarten Funding

Whati Hand Games Tournament

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Training And Skill Development Program In The Sahtu

Decision-Making Power Related To Devolution

Procurement Processes

Wildland Fire Protection Plans

Will And Estate Planning Services

Reporting Hospital-Induced Infections

Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Day Homes

Construction Of Four Mile Creek Bridge

Complaint Against Third-Party Renter

Written Question 11-17(5): Prevalence Of ‘superbug’ Bacterial Infections

Written Question 12-17(5): Housekeeping Cleaning Budgets In NWT Health Care Facilities

Written Question 13-17(5): Social Work Program At Aurora College

Tabled Document 48-17(5): Errata For Tabled Document 22-17(5), Northwest Territories Main Estimates 2014-2015

Tabled Document 49-17(5): Northern Lands, Northern Leadership: The GNWT Land Use And Sustainability Framework

Bill 12: Northern Employee Benefits Services Pension Plan Act

Bill 11: Petroleum Resources Act

Bill 10: Northwest Territories Lands Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Funding Increase For Ywca And NGOs

Target Wait Time For Legal Aid Services

Recorded Vote

Translation Of Legal Terminology

Recorded Vote

Funding For Evaluation Of On-The-Land Programming

Recorded Vote

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:33 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues. Mr. Hawkins .

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Point Of Privilege

Prayer

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise on a point of privilege. Although the matter has clearly been dealt with, upon further personal reflection this weekend, I decided that I wanted to specifically withdraw certain remarks I made on February 12, 2014, which were called into order by you this past Friday. The specific words I wish to withdraw and apologize for are: “It’s tantamount, in my view, of breaking the law.“

Mr. Speaker, I do this because, in my view, recognizing the dignity of this House, it is certainly the right thing to do and also because I’d like to move forward as we work on the job of the budget before us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Point Of Privilege

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 35-17(5): Northern Lands, Northern Leadership

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, later today, at the appropriate time, I will table Northern Lands, Northern Leadership: The Government of the Northwest Territories Land Use and Sustainability Framework. Completion of this document is a significant achievement and a major step in this government’s final preparations to assume new responsibilities for public lands, water and resources on April 1st .

The Land Use and Sustainability Framework establishes a policy foundation for the Government of the Northwest Territories as we assume our land management responsibilities after devolution. It is based on our years of work and collaboration with Aboriginal governments and stakeholders in land

use and conservation and reflects the special relationship that Northerners have with the land and the environment.

The vision of our government, set out in this document, is that land is life. It sustains and nourishes us spiritually, culturally, physically, economically and socially. Working together, Northerners will responsibly and sustainably manage the lands, waters and natural resources of the Northwest Territories for the benefit of current and future generations.

Principles set out in the Land Use Sustainability Framework will help us achieve our vision as we make decisions about land use and land management. Our decisions will be balanced and sustainable, considering ecological, social, cultural and economic values. They will be responsible and responsive, made in the context of sound environmental stewardship. They will be respectful of Aboriginal and treaty rights as well as third-party land interests and legal rights.

Decisions will be informed by our strong and respectful relationships with Aboriginal governments and Canada. Decisions will be relevant, made by Northerners, while providing residents with meaningful engagement and input. We will be coordinated and collaborative, involving the relevant government departments, external organizations and agencies as well as neighboring jurisdictions.

Our decisions and actions will be fair and equitable, recognizing that responsibilities for environmental stewardship and creation of resource opportunities should be shared equitably across all regions of the Northwest Territories. We are also committed to transparency and accountability in our decision-making processes, ensuring they are consistent and communicated.

The Land Use and Sustainability Framework is one part of a broader legislative and policy framework that our government has been putting in place to ensure that we are ready to manage our new authorities and responsibilities. That broader framework includes existing territorial legislation like the Commissioner’s Lands Act, Area Development Act, Community Planning and Development Act and Environmental Protection Act. Our legislative framework will continue to operate consistent with

our obligations in settled land claims and complement the management structures built within those agreements and in conjunction with federal legislation, such as the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act.

New mirror legislation and associated regulations called for in the Devolution Agreement, like the Oil and Gas Operations Act, Petroleum Resources Act, Northwest Territories Lands Act, Waters Act, Surface Rights Board Act, Reindeer Act and Archeological Sites Act, will also part of the broader framework.

Other elements of the overall policy framework include the Devolution Agreement, settled land claim and self-government agreements, the Sustainable Development Policy, the Water Stewardship Strategy, the Mineral Development Strategy, Economic Opportunities Strategy and the Cumulative Impacts Monitoring Program. As new land claims and self-government agreements are negotiated, they will also shape and inform this policy framework.

All these acts, agreements, policies, strategies and frameworks will operate together to ensure that Government of the Northwest Territories decisions and actions about public land, resources and water are consistent, based on sound policy thinking and reflect the priorities and values of Northerners.

Three departments will have primary responsibility for managing and administering the new responsibilities being devolved to the Government of the Northwest Territories. These include the new Department of Lands, the Department of Environment and Natural Resources and the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment. Together, they will be responsible for decision-making and regulation of activities involving public land, water and non-renewable resources guided by the broader framework of legislation, policies and strategies we have put in place.

The Department of Lands will support, manage, protect and administer the sustainable use of public land in the Northwest Territories. It will assume land management responsibilities being transferred from the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs and the federal Department of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development. It will manage all surface lands disposition, such as sales, leasing, permits, licences of occupation and rights-of-way. It will also manage inspections, enforcement and policy development for public lands.

Most importantly, the Department of Lands will be responsible for coordinating and conducting project assessments on public lands in the Northwest Territories, functioning as a “single-window” for development applications. This will ensure that Government of the Northwest Territories consideration of projects is coordinated, timely and consistent. It will ensure all our decisions on land,

water and resource development reflect northern priorities and values and uphold the public interest.

New responsibilities will be assumed by the Department of Environment and Natural Resources under the new NWT Waters Act and delegated to it under the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act. It will be the security holder and manager for water licences and be responsible for inspections and enforcement of water use. It will also be responsible for regulating the deposit of waste regarding activities and developments on or which impact public lands and water.

The Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment will assume new responsibilities for administering mineral exploration and development activities, including issuing prospecting licences, prospecting permits, mining leases and recording mineral claims. Industry, Tourism and Investment will also be taking on new responsibilities for onshore oil and gas development in the Mackenzie Valley.

As part of our devolution preparations, Cabinet recently designated the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment as the regulator for onshore oil and gas activities outside of federal areas and the Inuvialuit Settlement Region. Agreements for technical services and support from regulatory experts in other jurisdictions are being finalized.

Having the regulatory function sit with Industry, Tourism and Investment, rather than simply contracting a regulator from outside of the Northwest Territories, will ensure that knowledge and skills are transferred to, built in and held by people in the Northwest Territories. This model was arrived at by careful review and consideration of several possible models and is consistent with how Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Yukon have successfully regulated oil and gas activities for years.

After decades of negotiations and years of planning, we are on the eve of momentous changes in the Northwest Territories. We did not achieve this alone. With the support and participation of the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation, the Northwest Territory Metis Nation, the Sahtu Secretariat Incorporated, the Gwich’in Tribal Council and the Tlicho Government, the Devolution Agreement provides for continued, stronger intergovernmental relationships with Aboriginal governments through the Intergovernmental Council. The sharing of resource revenues with participating Aboriginal governments also supports this government’s commitment to strong Aboriginal governments.

I also want to thank the Members of this House, whose due diligence throughout negotiations and implementation planning was a critical part of the process.

The land and its resources are our common heritage and must be managed to the benefit of all

residents of our territory. Making the right decisions today to ensure a healthy and prosperous tomorrow for future generations is one of our greatest responsibilities as a government. Let us continue to work together, both in this House and with all of our partners, to make sure we get it right. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 35-17(5): Northern Lands, Northern Leadership

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister's Statement 36-17(5): Northwest Territories Teachers’ Association 60th Anniversary And Thank You For Making A Difference

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment wishes to recognize the dedication and service of the educators who have contributed to the well-being, support and education of our students.

The Northwest Territories Teachers’ Association was founded 60 years ago with just 60 teachers, including those from the Western and Eastern Arctic, eventually becoming a member of the Canadian Teachers’ Federation. As we proudly recognize this anniversary, the NWTTA now represents more than 800 teachers in 49 schools, demonstrating tremendous growth in the territory.

Throughout this growth, we have faced many challenges together and are always ensuring that we are working together to make the right decisions for the future of our territory. The NWTTA has worked hard to define and protect the rights of educators across the territory and has helped teachers and principals in their professional development.

Thank you for Making a Difference, established in 1998, has been highly successful in highlighting teachers and engaging students across the Northwest Territories. It has been a great source of encouragement and pride for hundreds of NWT teachers over the years and is a perfect example of the heart and vision of this organization. In 15 years the NWTTA has received more than 20,000 entries recognizing educators who changed their students’ lives.

Mr. Speaker, as we move to implement our foundational initiatives, including Education Renewal, Safe Schools and Early Childhood Development, it is more important now than ever that we work together, as we seek guidance and assistance with the development and implementation of these initiatives.

I would like to close by thanking the NWTTA for providing 60 years of excellent service in the Northwest Territories, and I wish all the best for the next 60 years and beyond. Through our ongoing work together, we will continue to improve our

education system for both teachers and students. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 36-17(5): Northwest Territories Teachers’ Association 60th Anniversary And Thank You For Making A Difference

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Colleagues, before we go on, I’d like to welcome back to the House a former Member, former Minister, former Speaker, Sergeant-at-Arms, Honourary Table Officer and Honourary Captain, too, Mr. Anthony W.J. Whitford.

---Applause

Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Decision-Making Process

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to follow up on the Premier ’s statement.

Cabinet’s vote against a proposal to keep decision-making in the regions was curious, and people are wondering why would they vote against the wishes of their own people.

As details emerge about the devolution of lands and waters to the NWT, people are noticing a disturbing undercurrent. In the process of transferring authority to the NWT, decision-making is being quietly moved from open public processes into the murky world of the GNWT bureaucracy and top secret Cabinet room. There is so much happening that it’s hard to see at first, but some examples are starting to emerge from the haze.

First, the authority to regulate oil and gas. Currently, this is done by the National Energy Board. They hold public hearings and anyone can participate and express their opinion. As of April 1st ,

this authority will transfer to the GNWT Cabinet.

Second, participation by departments in environmental reviews. Currently, each federal department, like Fisheries, Environment or Natural Resources, can intervene separately in environmental reviews. Their opinions are all considered by the board. As of April 1st , much of the

federal capacity will be transferred to GNWT departments like ENR, ITI and Lands, but all GNWT departments will be required to submit their opinions to the Department of Lands that will consider them and create a single unified GNWT position to be approved or not by Cabinet.

Third, authority to provide direction to NWT boards. The changes to the MVRMA in Bill C-15 take power and independence away from land and water boards and place it in the hands of the federal Minister. As of April 1st , some of that control will

then be delegated back to GNWT Ministers. Once again, a power shift from open, public process to secret, behind closed doors of the GNWT Cabinet.

Some may say that our government is public and accountable through this House and through elections, but nobody will deny that decisions made in Cabinet and in this House are political. Just like we don’t let Cabinet decide court cases, there are very good reasons to keep oil and gas, land use planning and land and water permits out of the political realm and under the control of impartial boards.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Decision-Making Process

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Cabinet is giving us the impression that we are creating a mirror-image system through our mirroring legislation. But these not-so-subtle changes are starting to look like a Cabinet power grab.

I will have questions. Mahsi.

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Decision-Making Process

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Hospital-Induced Infections

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.Let me start off today by sharing some very shocking numbers. Every year, over 220,000 Canadians develop infections during their hospital stay, and on average, these infections kill 22 patients every single day. To put this number into perspective, this is about the same number of Canadians who will die from breast cancer and leukemia combined.

This is the new reality facing our hospitals in the 21st century and it has now become a very massive

burden on our health care system. This is a fight we cannot afford to lose.

Right now the superbugs that pose the biggest challenges in our hospitals are Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, or MRSA; Clostridium Difficile, or called C. Difficile; Vancomycin-resistant Enterococcus, or VRE; and the latest threat is Carbapenem-resistant Enterobacteriaceae, or CRE. That’s a mouthful.

Collectively, right now one in every 12 patients in a Canadian hospital is infected by one of these superbugs and the NWT is not immune to these statistics. Unfortunately, we just don’t track all of them.

Just last week the Minister of Health and Social Services tabled the NWT Department of Health and Social Services Annual Report of 2012-2013, and within this report, on page 34, it states the incidence of Methicillin-resistant Staph A, and that’s the only superbug that it lists. This superbug has increased from a baseline of 28 cases per 10,000 patients to 46.6 cases in 2012-13. So what does that mean? It means that in almost a year it has doubled. In fact, if you look back to 2006 at three

cases of MRSA for 10,000 patients, we are nearly at a 15 times multiplier in seven years.

What is further alarming with the relevance of these increasing cases of MRSA is that it is mostly affecting our seniors and elders in our population, and because our population is aging, we should be very careful with that.

In the end, I am greatly concerned that with an alarming statistic of one of every 12 patients infected with a superbug, which is an epidemic in my books, is our current health care system doing enough with just an awareness campaign as it states in this report? Or should we be following mainstream health care with better collection, analysis, monitoring and reporting to the public…

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Hospital-Induced Infections

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

…and should we retool our basic defence and superbug control with a more robust and well-funded housekeeping program?

I will have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Thank you.

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Hospital-Induced Infections

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Hospital-Induced Infections

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’m not prepared to do a statement today. Thank you.

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Hospital-Induced Infections

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Pedestrian Crosswalks Across Public Highways

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Crosswalks across public highways within communities is an issue across Canada and really highlights our government’s responsibility to promote public safety and enhance the feasibility and traffic controls at these intersections. Hay River does have a GNWT highway that runs the full length of our town.

Today I’d like to highlight the important public safety issues for the people of Hay River. The pedestrian crossing located on Highway No. 2 near The Rooster convenience store and gas station is more hazardous than it should be. Constituents have reported that it is a dangerous crossing, being a poorly lit corner, and it is confusing to drivers as the streetlights and the crosswalk lights look very similar from a distance.

We have a large residential area on one side of the area and the schools and all of the hospitals and many other places people work on the other side of the highway. So this is a crosswalk which is used very, very extensively. This may seem like a minor

issue, but last fall, unfortunately, a pedestrian was hit by a driver in that intersection.

This issue had already been raised to me prior to this accident occurring and the Department of Transportation did respond. They performed an investigation and made recommendations to improve the safety of that crosswalk last September. Since that time, the Minister of Transportation has passed on news that changes to the crosswalk are being considered to go ahead this summer. These improvements would include new lighting, improved signage and replacement of the overhead light flashing system.

I’d like to thank the Minister and his department for the work that they’ve done reviewing this Highway No. 2 crosswalk in Hay River and I look forward to seeing these improvements this summer.

I learned when I came from Ontario to western Canada that pedestrians have the right of way, but I think we need a very clear awareness campaign with reflective stripes and all kinds of other things to teach people that just because you have the right-of-way does not mean that you should step out onto the road. People need to look and live. Thank you.

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Pedestrian Crosswalks Across Public Highways

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Education Week

Members’ Statements

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciated the Minister of Education ’s speech today about thanking the educators and Teachers’ Association. I also would like to rise and thank those members, it being Education Week. I think there are a lot of people out there in the education world that are putting a lot of extra hours in and they should be thanked, especially during this week.

There’s a whole bunch of different teachers. There are teachers, there are teachers’ assistants and there are people in our district education authorities that help run it that are dealing with the management of education in the Northwest Territories. They all should be commended during this week.

I’d also like to congratulate them on their 60th anniversary, and I’m glad to know that a lot of those retired teachers are living in Hay River and we do appreciate the former teachers that we’ve had in the community. Thank you.

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Education Week

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Investment In Traditional Economy In The Sahtu

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

This is a two-year project, which is being led by the Sahtu Renewable Resources Board in partnership with the local Renewable Resource Council and the GNWT through the Department of ITI. In 2012-13 the traditional economy of the Sahtu region experienced unprecedented growth, driven by the emergence of major overseas markets for Northwest Territories fur.

Last year 106 Sahtu trappers sold 3,944 pelts, which injected a record of $725,000 into the local economy, including sales representing 27 percent of the total for the Northwest Territories. This has considerable potential for expanding production in several areas of the traditional economy, including subsistence harvesting, trapping, outfitting, arts and crafts and traditional knowledge.

Today our traplines are busy in the Sahtu, but at the same time we have what we call another trapline: industry. Our trappers are faced with a balancing out. Do we continue to live on the land, produce these fine furs, or do we go to work in the industry? They both bring us food and bring us money. One is a way of life, the other is becoming a way of life. We’re in this balance here. The Sahtu renewable resource councils and the board are going to the Sahtu communities and talking to people. How do we balance the two lifestyles? Our traditional economy comes from our land. As Premier McLeod said, our land is our life.

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Investment In Traditional Economy In The Sahtu

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Congratulations To East Three Elementary School Basketball Champions

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had the great pleasure and opportunity this weekend to attend some of the Junior Cager basketball games that happened here in Yellowknife. At this moment, I would just like to congratulate the East Three Elementary boys’ team who went undefeated this weekend, going six wins, no losses. On that sixth win that they had yesterday, they claimed the NWT territorial championships, the first ever for East

Three Elementary School in any banner of sorts. I just want to say they had some great games, had some great competition and showed a lot of sportsmanship, but a lot of leadership on the court as well.

I’d also like to thank the coaches, the teachers, the organizers, as well as there were a lot of parents that were there, this weekend which showed for a lot of support and really great sportsmanship in the crowd as well.

I want to take this time just to congratulate the young boys who I helped coach partway through the Steve Nash Basketball Program. But if I can recognize one individual at this time, it would be coach Jason Dayman. He’s put a lot of time and effort into these boys who also went on and played another tournament in the Yukon and in Inuvik.

With the short basketball season, I think they play about 18 basketball games in this short season. I’m very proud of the boys and I’m very happy for them. I want to thank the coaches for putting in the effort and the time that gave them the undefeated record this weekend. Good job, boys, going 6 and 0. Congratulations on bringing home the first banner to East Three Elementary School.

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Congratulations To East Three Elementary School Basketball Champions

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Will And Estate Planning Seminar

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to discuss the need for access to will and estate planning for our residents. We do have one GNWT lawyer, a community outreach lawyer, whose job it is to visit communities and provide legal services to our residents. But one lawyer can hardly even begin to make a dent in our residents’ needs around will and estate planning. There’s a huge need to educate people about the need to have a will and another huge need to give residents access to lawyers to draft their wills and help them do estate planning.

Employees of the GNWT have access to assistance with wills and trusts through our Department of Human Resources employee and family assistance programs, employees of large companies usually have access to planning through their company pension plan, and there are will and estate planning sessions offered in Yellowknife and some of our regional centres. But other residents, especially in our small communities, are left to their own devices to do the necessary planning for wills.

It’s not the first thing that people put on their to-do list, nor do many people realize how important it is to spend the money to get a will done, if they can afford it, that is. A will is one of the most important documents in anyone’s life. Without a will, settling estates can be complicated and costly for both the

government as well as relatives. When someone dies intestate – that is without a will – the government, the office of the public trustee, and/or the courts must get involved in settling the estate, paying bills, disposing of assets and inheritance and so on. It’s a cost to the government and ultimately to us, the taxpayers. How many residents die intestate in any one year, I wonder? How much does the GNWT spend dealing with the estates of our residents who have died intestate? I have no idea, but I’m sure the costs are considerable.

I would like to see the GNWT offer will and estate planning sessions to NWT residents in all of our communities on a frequent and regular basis. As a government, we would be better served to be proactive, spend a little money up front and ensure residents have access to lawyers whose law practices include will and estate planning, as opposed to dealing with the affairs of residents who die intestate after the fact.

Not every lawyer does estate planning work, nor do they all want to do that kind of work, so we need to hire the right people. They can be found. The access to residents can be made available if the will – joke intended – is there on the part of government. Thank you.

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Will And Estate Planning Seminar

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Kakisa Wildland Fire Protection Plan

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Forest fires pose a threat to many communities in the NWT. Every year millions of taxpayers’ dollars go to fire management efforts, from public education and prevention, to staff training, to air tankers and firefighting crews.

Last summer forest fires destroyed many hectares of forest in the Deh Cho region, demanding significant public resources to manage.

The community of Kakisa is at high risk of damage due to forest fires. This small hamlet, in the dense forest of the southern NWT, could be destroyed within a few hours, if not minutes, given the right conditions. Kakisa needs a reliable fireguard.

The Department of Environment and Natural Resources has completed the Community Wildfire Protection Plan for Kakisa in 2010. This plan identifies risks and recommendations for local forest fire management. At the time the plan was created, a full firebreak ran from the lake to the community access road, but the dense stand of spruce and pine nearby still limited its effectiveness. More trees need to be thinned in certain areas.

Community consultation needed to take place, with input from elders, to preserve traditional land uses before people started cutting brush in the area

surrounding the community. It is also uncertain whether the community fire department has the capacity to take on fire suppression activities. Some people felt that not enough community members were trained or available on an ongoing basis to help fight a fire.

Without a local first line of defence, the community has to rely on outside help to help fight a fire. Given the travelling distance and time it could take for help to arrive and how quickly a fire can spread, Kakisa could be in serious danger.

The community wants to move ahead on forest fire protection. The popular campground is a valuable asset in the community and they would like to advance an initiative to construct a walkway to link the campground to the hamlet. The infrastructure could serve as a strategic forest fire management tool. Debris from additional brush cutting could be used as home heating fuel.

The Department of ENR is very committed to forest fire management and has implemented some great programs over the last four years. It is time to revisit and renew the Kakisa Wildfire Protection Plan in time for the upcoming forest fire season.

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Kakisa Wildland Fire Protection Plan

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Junior Kindergarten Funding

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to stand up and use this occasion to revisit the issue of junior kindergarten. Last week the Minister made a statement, and that was his second statement in this particular House where he talked about junior kindergarten will be available for four-year-olds starting in the new year, and of course, it will be rolled out over three years throughout the various communities.

Let me first get the biggest issue out of the way. I don’t know anybody who is against junior kindergarten. There is nobody on this side of the House against junior kindergarten, and sometimes in our questions and answers it is described as over here we are against junior kindergarten when you question his policy methodology. I can frankly say, I haven’t spoken to everybody in the Northwest Territories and I am not sure that is even feasible, in the sense of my lifetime, by going door to door knocking on every door and saying, do you support junior kindergarten.

However, I do feel comfortable by saying, and I certainly feel very strong in saying that I could say everybody, in an overwhelming majority, would support the development of the Junior Kindergarten Program.

The one issue before us, and continues to be before us, articulated clearly by the school boards, being raised by Members, being raised by the public, is the funding model. That is only the issue.

The Minister of Education has decided, and certainly designed, that they will now work with producing 14 years of schooling on 13 years of budgeting, and to be clear for the public that don’t follow that, that is also when we include kindergarten as the 13th year.

Now they are asking for a 14th year, so you have your normal one to 12 plus kindergarten and junior kindergarten. It is like saying we are going to re-profile 7 percent of your funding. Let’s think about that, 7 percent of your funding. Let’s put it this way. If we had asked the Department of Education to re-profile their $305.6 million budget and we took and re-profiled 7 percent of their funding, that would almost be $22 million. I could only imagine them kicking and screaming and saying, it isn’t fair, we couldn’t run programs, we’d have to lay people off. I could imagine.

I don’t know where we’d start and certainly finish on what they would say. The point being, and the issue before MLAs, before the public, before the school board is the funding model.

I’m going to close by saying if the children, if the students, if families really mattered that much, then ask us for the money, we’ll find a way. Thank you very much.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Mr. Lafferty .

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Whati Hand Games Tournament

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. [Translation] I have an important thing to say. I know that there are a lot of things happening in our region. In the last little while in my region, in Whati there were hand games that were held in the community, and I want to express, to the community, a thank you and congratulations.

We had visitors from Alberta and all the people from the Northwest Territories. This was put on by the Whati community. The chief and council have prepared and hosted the hand games for all the people. They also had security for the community. I want to express my thanks and congratulations for taking care of all the visitors that came to their community.

There were over 40 teams that competed in the hand games. There were a lot of people, people from all communities that had a very good social event in their community. I’m very happy that it was properly done and the security was done and they had a good hand game. They have all returned home and I just want to say thank you to the Whati community.

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Whati Hand Games Tournament

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Bromley .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s my great pleasure to once again recognize Mr. Tony Whitford, a resident of Weledeh. Welcome, Tony.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Mr. Lafferty .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize the president of the NWTTA. Gayla Meredith is here with us and is doing an outstanding job as president and is recognizing the 60th year. Mahsi for being here.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Mr. Hawkins .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s with great pleasure to recognize one of our favourite constituents of Yellowknife and the Northwest Territories, and he’s already been recognized but it is always certainly exciting to stand up to recognize Mr. Anthony W.J. Whitford, who you so eloquently described has having almost every job in the Northwest Territories, certainly in this building at one time or another. He’s a hero to all. Thank you for coming, sir. Good to see you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 164-17(5): Training And Skill Development Program In The Sahtu

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

I want to ask the Minister, is his department working with the Sahtu Renewable Resources Board to come out with a plan that says if you want to be a trapper, here are the support mechanisms you can have to become a trapper for life, or if you’d like to change or have some type of balance working in the industry? Is there going to be a report after these two years of funding projects?

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Question 164-17(5): Training And Skill Development Program In The Sahtu

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 164-17(5): Training And Skill Development Program In The Sahtu

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Northwest Territories today has the best trapping programs in the country. The reason why our programs are so successful is because we work out of our regional offices to help deliver the

programs that we have, and in the area of trapping specifically we have a strong relationship with the local operations at the regional level through our department. As things change – I know the Member is talking about the potential economic development happening in the Sahtu – it’s even more important that we continue that close relationship with the hunters and trappers in that region. Thank you.

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Question 164-17(5): Training And Skill Development Program In The Sahtu

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Can the Minister of ITI inform the House, with the funding that we got from the federal government it will be geared towards promoting opportunities for employment and skill development training in both the traditional and the industrial sectors of the Sahtu regional economy, from that is there going to be some type of report or some type of plan that says you can be a trapper in these seasons and then you could switch to the industrial sector of the economy and go back to life on the land? Is there some type of plan that would see our people in the Sahtu having these types of opportunities in front of them?

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Question 164-17(5): Training And Skill Development Program In The Sahtu

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Thank you. It’s in all of our best interests to ensure that opportunities for employment are there on an annual basis and all throughout the year. I know some of the opportunity currently underway in the Sahtu is during the winter months. We need to ensure that there are opportunities for people year round, and if there is a way that we can put a bridge between the two to allow people to pursue their traditional economy and also be employed in the oil and gas sector in the Sahtu, that’s something that we should be looking at.

As far as a report goes on the money, there would be some expectation that we would have some kind of an evaluation and know where the money has been spent and its effectiveness. Thank you.

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Question 164-17(5): Training And Skill Development Program In The Sahtu

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

I know that some of the people in the Sahtu, especially the trappers because that’s their life and that’s what they want to do, also I know there are some people who love to trap but also see the wage economy in the oil and gas sector. I want to ask the Minister, is he working closely with the Sahtu Renewable Resources Board to say this is a program we could have in the Sahtu that could pilot, say, a trapper who would like to trap to get these furs, but also the trapping season might be a little difficult so they would move into the industry?

Is there a program that flow the trappers into an oil and gas industry type of employment to support them, because that would be crucial in terms of which way they want to go in the future.

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Question 164-17(5): Training And Skill Development Program In The Sahtu

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

I think each individual’s circumstances may, in fact, be different than the next person, but we could be potentially talking to Education, Culture and Employment about opportunities to bridge the two. Again, I think it’s very important that people have opportunities on a year-round basis. If there is that opportunity to work

with ECE to talk about training opportunities and how we can get the trappers that are trapping that want to be employed in the oil and gas sector as things continue to move along in the Sahtu, again, that’s something that we’re very much interested in doing. Thank you.

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Question 164-17(5): Training And Skill Development Program In The Sahtu

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 164-17(5): Training And Skill Development Program In The Sahtu

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last year there were 106 trappers that sold close to 4,000 pelts and injected $725,000 into the local economy of the Northwest Territories. We know that the Asian countries and the European countries are well versed in the Northwest Territories fur.

Is there any type of report as to the number of trappers now in the Sahtu that his department is tracking to see if we are going to pass the numbers that we had from last year’s report?

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

I don’t have the exact number of trappers in the Sahtu that we are tracking, but that’s certainly a number I could get for the Member. What I do know, and I know the Member mentioned it himself, is the amount of dollars that are flowing directly back to trappers across the Northwest Territories, and this is money that gets right back into the local economy and, in most cases, into the smaller communities. Last year that was $2.8 million directly back to trappers across the Territories, so it’s a significant amount of money that gets back into the economy.

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Question 164-17(5): Training And Skill Development Program In The Sahtu

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 165-17(5): Decision-Making Power Related To Devolution

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to follow up from my statement with questions for the Premier today, and they’re related to the three examples I mentioned earlier of decision-making power being moved from public boards to behind the closed doors of GNWT. I do believe that our Cabinet and their advisors are competent, so they must be aware of this power shift.

The question is: Is this a deliberate power grab, or is it an unintended consequence of the rush to implement devolution?

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Question 165-17(5): Decision-Making Power Related To Devolution

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 165-17(5): Decision-Making Power Related To Devolution

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess I’m not surprised the Member is already condemning devolution before it even occurs. It’s a month and a half away, and also, I would think he would support the fact that we’re reducing about 5,000 miles of red tape. It’s just mirror legislation,

and I’m not sure what he’s referring to when he’s talking about a power grab.

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Question 165-17(5): Decision-Making Power Related To Devolution

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I hope the Premier is satisfied that we have devolution, that we’re talking about implementing it here, so I won’t bother to respond to that.

Intentional or not, this power shift away from public boards is happening.

Where did the Premier and Cabinet get the mandate to set things in motion this way? Did this Assembly ask them to shift power away from public boards? Did our Aboriginal partners ask them to shift power to behind the closed doors of GNWT?

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Question 165-17(5): Decision-Making Power Related To Devolution

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

The Member should be pleased that the MVRMA will continue as a public board. We are not taking it. They will still be making those decisions and putting forward recommendations. The responsible Ministers will be putting them into effect.

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Question 165-17(5): Decision-Making Power Related To Devolution

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thanks to the Premier . Most of the legislation that we will be bringing forward to implement is not even available to the public yet.

Are these few examples just the tip of the iceberg? Are there any other power shifts from the public boards to behind the closed doors of GNWT that we have not discovered yet?

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Question 165-17(5): Decision-Making Power Related To Devolution

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

As I said, the MVRMA, the board will be dealing with applications for development and so there is no power shift other than the fact that the responsible Ministers will change, and that’s part and parcel of mirror legislation.

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Question 165-17(5): Decision-Making Power Related To Devolution

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 165-17(5): Decision-Making Power Related To Devolution

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Of course, that’s not the way it was a few months ago. That was the recent change with the federal government and it seems like we’re choosing to emulate the federal government here. The Premier is on the record, probably hundreds of times, saying we want an efficient and effective regulatory system. I note that he rarely mentions a fair system or an objective system, but I will assume that he would agree that fairness and independence are key.

How does the Premier propose to reverse these power grabs and put land and water decision-making and resource management decision-making back in the realm of fair and independent public review boards?

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Question 165-17(5): Decision-Making Power Related To Devolution

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

I’m sure the Member will be pleased to hear that this is not a power grab. It’s moving decision-making to the North, and those most affected by activity will be making the decisions. That’s what this is all about and I’m pleased in my Minister’s statement I used those words exactly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 165-17(5): Decision-Making Power Related To Devolution

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 166-17(5): Procurement Processes

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I have questions in regard to our procurement contract processes that we have. The Minister of ITI tabled a document in the House in our last sitting session. I just want to talk a bit about some of the concerns that are brought up from residents, especially the small businesses that can’t really out bid some of our bigger companies. I wanted to bring forth some of the concerns that they do have.

I would like to ask the Minister about sole-source contracting, not the process behind it but at what point is this government going to start looking at doing a better job of getting some of these sole-source contracts out into the public process, and what is this Minister going to do about trying to get that back into a more public discussion so we get contractors who are able to do the jobs and also make it more fair for all contractors? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 166-17(5): Procurement Processes

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are transparent; of course, the Contracts Over $5,000 Report is tabled in the House. Members have a chance to go through that book, and if there are specific questions regarding any of those contracts in the report, Members can ask questions about those specific contracts. Sole-source contracts are just another tool that is available to government to allow us to do our jobs and carry out the work of the various departments.

I can’t, again, speak to specific contracts unless the Member asks a specific question to a specific contract. Thank you.

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Question 166-17(5): Procurement Processes

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, when this government goes into sole-source contracts or negotiated contracts with a big firm or company, are there any provisions put in these negotiated contracts where the main contractor has to have a certain percentage of local subcontractors, the smaller guys, the guys that have the small businesses? Is there a percentage in that negotiated contract when any of the Ministers or when the Minister goes forward and proceeds with a sole contract? Is there a percentage set out so that when the small businesses in the communities and across the Territories get a piece of the pie? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 166-17(5): Procurement Processes

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Again, it is in the governments’ best interest to ensure that dollars spent here in the Northwest Territories by our government stay in the Northwest Territories, and that is certainly an objective. We have, I know the

Member mentioned, negotiated contracts. That is another policy separate from our policy on sole-source contracts. Again, it is there so that we can build capacity here in the Northwest Territories, so departments can look at various contracts that are going to enable groups around the Northwest Territories to build up that capacity and employ local people and ensure that money stays in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, going back to the report that was tabled in the House, I’m glad that the Minister did mention trying to keep money in the Northwest Territories. In the report it states that there is about $51 million that is not in the NWT contracts that this government goes into that does contracts for, and I know there are some services that can’t be provided here in the Northwest Territories to do some of these contracts; that goes down to training.

How is the Minister going to try to bring those numbers down, that $51 million that we go out of jurisdiction with contracts and keep that money here in the Northwest Territories and look at supporting our businesses either through training or education, but making sure that our contractors in the Northwest Territories have some of that money, that that money actually stays here in the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, we need to continue the dialogue with all departments and ensure that when we are contracting, whether it is any of the various modes of contracting that this government does, an eye is to keep those dollars in the Northwest Territories. Not always are we going to be able to get the goods or services here in the Northwest Territories. There are going to be examples of when we have to go outside, but again, it’s our government’s goal to ensure that the procurement dollars that we do have end up staying here in the NWT for us. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 166-17(5): Procurement Processes

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do have a Business Incentive Policy that the government goes by. However, there are some clauses in there and I think we need to discuss those. I brought it up in the House before about how we have businesses from the South that win the BIP process by having some companies, one, two and sometimes three, in their proposal. What is the Minister going to do to fix that? Sometimes small business doesn’t even get to do the work they were asked to do in the proposal, they are just used to get the BIP points.

What is the Minister going to do to effect the change so our small businesses do get the work and our contractors that do bid on the projects get the work as well? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

The Business Incentive Policy is there so we can support businesses here in the Northwest Territories. Again, it is another tool that this government uses to ensure dollars stay in the Territories. I’ve been here just over 10 years and this issue about BIP comes up at least once a year.

We’ve had a number of revisions and changes to it over the past decade, and if the Member and Regular Members feel it’s necessary to go through another process of taking a look at BIP, how we can improve it, areas we feel we should be looking at, that’s something I would be happy to sit down with the Regular Member and Cabinet and discuss ways that we can improve upon the Business Incentive Policy that we have today. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Question 167-17(5): Wildland Fire Protection Plans

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources . Recently in Canada we experienced the unfortunate tragedies with forest fires overtaking communities. Here in the NWT, we are seeing recent trends of drought conditions.

Of course, in anticipation of the forest fire season, I want to ask the Minister whether all communities at risk of forest fires have a community protection plan in place. Mahsi.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I agree with the Member; this is a serious concern. We have an initiative to work with communities through FireSmart, the communities across the North, all those in the boreal forest. Some are more advanced than others. The intent is to work with all communities to look at those types of plans. Thank you.

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

The community that I represent, Kakisa, I think the recent effort in 2012 was participating with ENR to develop at least a baseline to prepare for the eventuality that a fireguard will be established.

How often are community wildfire protection plans reviewed and updated? Mahsi.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

We work at this on an ongoing basis, so most communities are at different levels of activity when it comes to those particular plans. Once they’re in, then the issue becomes maintenance, which tends to be problematic in some cases, especially given the rate of regrowth. In others, we are just struggling to find resources and use existing resources and fire crews, if they’re not busy, to work with

communities. I don’t have the set

schedule before me, but we do tend to get this done and maintain it. Thank you.

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Is the Minister aware of any actions taken by the Ka’a’gee Tu First Nations in response to recommendations made in the Community Protection Plan? Mahsi.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

No, Mr. Speaker. I’d have to ask the Member to refresh my memory. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Nadli .

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand, in 2012 the community had identified a need for a fireguard around the community.

Will the department commit to work with Kakisa to update the Wildfire Protection Plan prior to 2014? Mahsi.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I am as happy to say yes to this fourth question as I would be happy to say yes to the first question. Yes.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 168-17(5): Will And Estate Planning Services

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are addressed to the Minister of Justice . I’d like to follow up on my statement and ask him a few questions about whether or not we can do something about providing will and estate planning for our residents. I know it will take some time to establish a program, but in the meantime there are certainly some tools that are available to our residents, or could be available to help our residents.

I refer the Minister to the GNWT public trustee web page. It’s under the Department of Justice and it states: “The public trustee is independent from the Department of Justice. The Department makes this web

section available on behalf of the public trustee. A separate website will be established in the near future.” This is a huge opportunity for Justice and the public trustee to provide information to residents on wills and on estate planning. I would like to know from the Minister when the public trustee will have its own website. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Minister of Justice , Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can get that level of detail for the Member. In regard to will and estate planning in the communities, we did hire a new lawyer in August of 2010. We do have a Community Outreach Program at the Department of Justice. We’ve been to all communities in the Northwest Territories with the

exception of, I believe, three. In January we were again in Wrigley, Fort Simpson, Gameti and Fort Smith. When this Outreach Program is in the communities, anything that community members want to raise through that program is available to them. That includes will and estate planning for folks who need that type of assistance. So we do have that available to residents around the Northwest Territories.

On the website issue regarding the public trustee, I will get that information for the Member. Thank you.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister for that and I appreciate his commitment to get the information. I do appreciate the fact that the government has a community outreach lawyer, but when a community outreach lawyer goes to a community, they aren’t just dealing with wills and estates. They are dealing with any legal service that a resident in a community needs and I think we need to specifically target will and estate planning. In the end, we will be saving money because the office of the public trustee will not be dealing with people who die intestate.

I’d like to know from the Minister if he would consider, he and the department, looking into a different kind of program to provide lawyers to residents. We need education and we also need access to lawyers. I think via an NGO, it’s possible we could do some of that work.

Would the Minister consider dealing with NGOs or negotiating with NGOs to provide will and estate planning assistance to our communities? Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

That is a good suggestion. Another opportunity may exist through on-line information and services provided to residents across the Northwest Territories on will and estate planning. I will certainly check with my officials at the Department of Justice to see what information is out there for folks. If we can look at providing more opportunities to have questions answered with regard to will and estate planning around the territory, that is in our interest to do that. I would certainly look forward to any further discussion I could have with the member and the Standing Committee on Social Programs as we move forward to try to address her concerns. Thank you.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

It’s nice to know that the Minister and I are on the same page. My next question was going to suggest that the Minister look at our neighbour to the west, the Yukon, who have some excellent information on-line. They have plain language information for residents. They have a fact sheet on estate planning, which is one of the resources that they have there and I think that’s something that we certainly could do. So I appreciate that the Minister has indicated that this is something we can do.

Is the Minister making a commitment to do some of that work and to provide some of these resources? Can he give me any indication of when we might be able to see something concrete? Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

This government has made a commitment to improve services to residents around the Northwest Territories and a lot of that has to do with getting the good services available to folks on-line. I know we’ve just recently done some with legal registries; I know there’s registration now on-line at the Department of Transportation. We are making an effort in that regard, and certainly if there are examples out there and if the Yukon has an example of how that information can be put on-line and utilized by people in that territory, that’s something that we could certainly look at.

As far as a timeline, I wouldn’t want to make a promise I couldn’t keep. That’s something I’ll take back to the department and hopefully be able to provide the Member with some kind of a response in the very near future. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Minister. Yes, I figured that you really weren’t going to give me an answer right now, but I appreciate that you will come back to me at some point in time and advise when I might be able to expect this kind of a program.

I imagine the Minister doesn’t have this information with him, but I’ll ask the question anyway and he can hopefully get back to me. Do we have any idea of what the average cost is to the government when somebody dies intestate? Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. I don’t have that detail with me, but again, I’ll make a commitment to get that information to the Member and to the House. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 169-17(5): Reporting Hospital-Induced Infections

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Health and Social Services .

The recently tabled Department of Health 2012-2013 Annual Report mentions Methicillin-resistant Staph aureus at 46.6 cases per 10,000 patients. However, on the same department website there’s an epidemiology newsletter, called Epi North 2012, Volume 22, Issue 1, which states during a similar reporting period of 16 months, field epidemiologist Katie Rutledge for the department reported laboratory results of 267 cases with 345 MRSA

infections. Factoring and removing the extra four months and when you compare apples to apples and case management reporting, this leaves a disparity of these lab results reported to what is being underreported in the annual report. Can the Minister account for this difference? Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That’s an incredibly detailed question, but I will certainly get back to the department to see if we can figure out what that discrepancy has resulted from. Thank you.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you. Detail is my middle name.

Going back to the alarming statistic that, on average, one in 12 Canadian hospital patients are being infected with a superbug, if we looked at that recent table of 46.6 MRSA incidents per 10,000 cases, if my math is correct that works out to 0.06 in 12 NWT hospital patients being infected.

Can the Minister account as to why the NWT is reporting such a low number to this national Canadian statistical average? Thank you.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

We obviously take these types of situations very seriously and we are doing a number of things within the department and our authorities to control infections but also report on infections. One of the things that we have done is we have defined minimum competencies and skill sets for all practitioners within our system, and we review and modernize existing infection and control standards and standards for sterilization on a regular basis. We’ve also implemented a surveillance system of reportable infections and we’re working to develop, or we have developed and implemented reporting and compliance mechanisms.

So with respect to the detailed specifics that the Member is asking, I don’t have those in front of me, but I’d be happy to go to the department and get that detail for the Member. Thank you.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

That was a great paid political announcement, but it didn’t answer my question. I believe the reason why we don’t see the same numbers statistically is that we don’t reflect that in our accounting, we don’t count these superbugs. In fact, we do not report any other superbug other than Methicillin-resistant Staph aureus and there are a lot more bugs out there that make these alarming statistics.

Can the Minister indicate why his department consistently does not data collect, analyze, monitor and report these other deadly superbugs in our NWT health facilities? Thank you.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

There are a number of infections that are not reportable under the Public Health Act because hospitals are required to monitor these under their own set of regulations. However, as we get copies of lab results and other things, we’re able to determine where some of these exist.

With respect to a greater level of reporting on these particular infections, certainly I’d love to have some more discussion with the Member as well as committee to find out or to improve the system that we have in place. Thank you.

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Question 169-17(5): Reporting Hospital-Induced Infections

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 169-17(5): Reporting Hospital-Induced Infections

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to work with the Minister on that one. I’d appreciate it.

It has been stated by many infectious disease specialists that our cleaners are, in many ways, the front-line gatekeepers against superbugs, but these days we know that with shrinking budgets and hospital demands, this department is all too easy a target for cuts.

Can the Minister indicate what his department is doing to strengthen our cleaning services in all our health care facilities to combat these superbugs? Thank you.

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Question 169-17(5): Reporting Hospital-Induced Infections

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

We have a new NWT Infection Prevention and Control Manual that was released in 2012. It contains all the standards of practice required by health care facilities to prevent and control the spread of infectious disease. The manual has been distributed throughout the Northwest Territories. Health and social services authorities have a lead responsibility to implement and audit these standards within their facilities and client service settings, but we have sent that out to all authorities. Thank you.

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Question 169-17(5): Reporting Hospital-Induced Infections

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 170-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Day Homes

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I used my Member’s statement today to talk about junior kindergarten and certainly the impact of re-profiling 7 percent of their funding model without working together with them. While I explained and it was certainly illustrated during my Member’s statement, what if we took 7 percent of the Department of ECE’s budget how they would go kicking and screaming.

Now, let’s talk about the broader picture now being forgotten about this whole situation, which are the day homes. Ironically, that’s part of the reason why this whole shift of junior kindergarten has evolved.

So, as such, what changes are now going to take effect to the day homes that the Department of Education, Culture and Employment is now going to have to address? Quite frankly, there are rules that you are only allowed to have two under two; you’re only allowed to have six kids maximum. So, in essence, the government is not only taking one or two of the kids away, you’re almost destroying their funding model by potentially taking half of the kids away, which may make these day homes in Yellowknife unaffordable and certainly unfeasible Thank you.

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Question 170-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Day Homes

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 170-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Day Homes

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. This whole implementation of junior kindergarten has been positive news. As the Member alluded to earlier with his statement, there’s a lot of support on this particular piece of work that has been in the works for some time now, the last few years. We are mindful of the day homes, the operators in the Northwest Territories.

We’re doing this for the whole Northwest Territories and the Member touched on two under two, there’s also three under three that we’re fully aware of and my department is working diligently with the operators, the day home operators and other operators within the city of Yellowknife and also in the whole Northwest Territories so we can mitigate and work and provide support to those individual operators. Taking the four-year-olds out of their facility will allow more focus on the zero to three. Those are discussions we’ve been having with the operators as well.

So, we will be providing support mechanisms to those operators in the Northwest Territories. Mahsi.

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Question 170-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Day Homes

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

I’m glad the Minister has started to touch on this whole broader problem, which is he says he’s mindful of day homes and certainly he’s going to look at providing support, but let’s talk turkey. What kind of support is he actually referring to, because we all know you can do two under two, as the Minister even highlighted, you can have three under three. So potentially he’s taken 50 percent of their funding model to exist away from these day homes that are trying to provide necessary daycare and certainly family support for these young people.

So, in essence, what is the Minister really doing and how much money is this going to cost this government that he’ll have to come back to the Assembly and ask for? Thank you.

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Question 170-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Day Homes

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. Those are the key detailed discussions that we are currently having with the operators to justify and find out the cost factor. As the Member knows, there are various subsidies available to the operators, whether it be the rent, the mortgage, the support

mechanism is currently there to subsidize those operators. There is part of the O and M as well. Based on the discussions that we’re going to be having, we need to move forward on that and then provide feedback on what’s the best approach. Those are the discussions that we’ll continue to have with the open dialogue with them.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

It was just a few days ago in this House this Minister issued an edict saying that it will be done, it shall be done, and it’s going to start this year. Not only that, he said he was going to solve a problem, which is there weren’t services available in the communities. All noble things that we support, so let’s stop focusing on these types of things.

Let’s get back to the money. If you’re going to issue these types of edicts and tell the NWT residents you’re doing this and, darn it, it’s coming, how much money is this happening and why haven’t you planned this and costed this out? Why are we sitting here having discussions when we should already know that if you’re taking 50 percent of these funding models away from these good folks at home taking care of children, what have you left them? You should know what this is going to cost before you pull the legs out from underneath them.

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Question 170-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Day Homes

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

We have to keep in mind that we are providing free junior kindergarten across the whole Northwest Territories, and especially those 10 communities that are without licenced child care programming. The communities will definitely be benefiting from this program that we’re initiating. It’s a three-year phased approach, so the daycare, the home care operators… Again, I must emphasize that we are providing the supporting mechanism in place. It’s been there before, it’s always been there, and we’re going to enhance it further as we move forward on implementing a junior kindergarten. There is a lot of support and we’re moving forward on this.

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Question 170-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Day Homes

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 170-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Day Homes

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, yet again the Minister tries to divide this as a big town against small town, against small communities, whatever the case may be. The fact is that there seems to be no plan whatsoever to cover this funding model, and it’s okay, Mr. Minister, you can say you just don’t know. When you do that and you feel better, we can all start working and building from there.

When the Minister says we’re going to enhance, let’s put the dollar on the table and tell me what type of dollar you’re going to have to come back to this Assembly and ask for, because we want to know because nobody out there knows, and all they know is they’re losing half their kids, which is their funding stream because you’re taking them away. How are they going to operate?

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Question 170-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Day Homes

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

It was in this House that I mentioned the zero to three, what kind of funding that will be allocated based on what their needs are, whether it be the cribs and other certain necessities that are required. Those are the supports that we are going to be providing to the zero to three, the day homes, the operators in the Northwest Territories. I can lay that out to the Members again, the detailed information. I’ll be more than glad to do that.

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Question 170-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Day Homes

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 171-17(5): Construction Of Four Mile Creek Bridge

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are to the Minister of Transportation . I understand that the construction of the Four Mile Creek Bridge was halted due to some environmental issues with the regulators, and I want to know what is the status now of the Four Mile Creek Bridge close to Tulita.

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Question 171-17(5): Construction Of Four Mile Creek Bridge

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 171-17(5): Construction Of Four Mile Creek Bridge

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Transportation staff had met with Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada in Norman Wells on February 18th . We presented a water

management plan that was deemed acceptable by the Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada, and with that the work order on the Four Mile Creek Bridge was lifted.

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Question 171-17(5): Construction Of Four Mile Creek Bridge

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

With this recent work stoppage with the Four Mile Creek Bridge, will the department or will this Minister see if it’s salvageable by this winter? I know there’s not much time left, but this is an outsider contractor coming in to work in our area. I’m not too sure what happened, but somebody goofed on this one here, so certainly it causes some concern for us in the region here.

Is this work salvageable? Can we do as much as we can before the winter road is closed?

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Question 171-17(5): Construction Of Four Mile Creek Bridge

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

The department, using two contractors from Tulita, started to do some dewatering on the bridge on the 22nd , this past

Saturday, so the work is proceeding and the intention is to complete the work that was scheduled to complete, so we’re back to work there.

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Question 171-17(5): Construction Of Four Mile Creek Bridge

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

I appreciate the quickness of the Minister. I want to ask the Minister, is this bridge on schedule, on time, within budget to be completed within the scope of the project that was presented to us for allocating funding to it?

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Question 171-17(5): Construction Of Four Mile Creek Bridge

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I don’t have the original

schedule with me, but as I indicated, the

department is working with two local companies that have the machinery under our direction. We are providing support for planning and design and any geotechnical engineering is being provided by another engineering company called TerraTek. With that, we’re hoping that the work will be on schedule, but I don’t have the exact dates with me. I don’t know if there’s been a slight adjustment or not here in the House.

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Question 171-17(5): Construction Of Four Mile Creek Bridge

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 171-17(5): Construction Of Four Mile Creek Bridge

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I ask the Minister of Transportation , once he gets his full briefing from the department on this Four Mile Creek Bridge, if he would provide it to me and the Members of the House to know that this work will get done, will get on the books of completion, because from what I’m understanding, the work in the Sahtu will continue to increase and the bridge is important for the community and also important for the oil and gas activity that’s happening in the Tulita district.

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Question 171-17(5): Construction Of Four Mile Creek Bridge

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I would be pleased to provide that information on the dates. I know that once the bridge is complete there, that would become the permanent structure that will be used for that crossing on the winter road going into the future.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 172-17(5): Complaint Against Third-Party Renter

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am going to use this occasion to ask questions to the Minister responsible for Housing . Quite often I’ll have complaints sent to my office, called in or certainly e-mailed in, about health and safety issues. Whether they’re about leaky windows, heat not on, ste