Debates of Feb. 28th, 1997

This is page numbers 955 - 983 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was community .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Workplace Education

Educational Bursary In Memory Of Al Woodhouse

Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division

Congratulations To Deegah Tatti

Impact Of Societal Labels

Gender Parity In Nunavut Legislature

Awarding Government Contracts To Local Business

Selecting Inuvik As A Conference Location

Need For Higher Education

Accusations Made Regarding Traditional Knowledge

Member Absent From The House

Insecurities Felt By GNWT Employees

Approach To Affirmative Action

Administrative Tasks Related To Division

Opening Of Fort Liard Community Hall

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Reductions To Wildlife Organizations

Accusations Made Regarding Traditional Knowledge

Future Work In Nunavut Conference

Participation In Future Of Work Conference

Monitoring Agreement With Bhp

Impact Of Electronic Backbone

Policy For Awarding Contracts

Division Negotiating Committee

Negotiated And Sole-sourced Contracts

Liability Under Negotiated Contracts

Application Of Nunavut Final Agreement To Inuvialuit Areas

Incremental Costs Associated With Division

Update On Northern Accord Negotiations

Monitoring And Implementing Policies

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Item 15: Notices Of Motions For First Reading Of Bills

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Good morning Members. I would like to thank Mr. Ningark for taking the chair yesterday. Mahsi cho. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 65-13(4): Workplace Education

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. Mr. Speaker, yesterday, I had the pleasure of speaking to a group of people at a forum on workplace education in the NWT. The forum included literacy workers, business people, representatives of union, aboriginal groups and community groups. You may remember that last fall I announced the NWT Workplace Education Strategy which is designed to broaden the territorial government's literacy partnership with large and small businesses, labour organizations and employers.

The strategy is designed to develop more opportunities for workers to develop their basic reading, writing, math and critical thinking skills. The Department of Education, Culture and Employment is supporting the strategy with $200,000 in funding during the current fiscal and in 1997-98.

Mr. Speaker, there are many reasons why workplace education is needed in the territories. Workers often have the entry level skills for specific jobs but may lack the skills to take on more demanding tasks or adapt to changes in the workplace. Changing technology, downsizing, revised health and safety standards or the use of new equipment can affect the nature of employees' jobs. People who do not have the skills needed to deal with these changes may feel that they have no option but to quit their jobs even though they have other skills and knowledge that are valuable to the organization.

Providing opportunities for people to develop their basic skills in the workplace increases the stability of the work force, which is good for business and provides greater job satisfaction for employees.

Mr. Speaker, workplace education can also increase awareness of safety and health issues, resulting in fewer job related accidents and health problems. About 100 people attended this week's forum. Guest speakers and facilitators from other parts of Canada were able to share their expertise and experience in workplace learning. People involved in some of the five pilot projects in the Northwest Territories shared their experiences and brought a unique northern perspective to the forum.

Mr. Speaker, although this is an area of adult education that has not received much attention, it is clear there is wide support across the Northwest Territories for this type of initiative. As a result of this forum, I look forward to seeing new partnerships formed and more opportunities for workplace education being offered to northerners in the coming months. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 65-13(4): Workplace Education

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 66-13(4): Educational Bursary In Memory Of Al Woodhouse

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last fall, many residents of the Northwest Territories were saddened to learn of the death of Al Woodhouse. Mr. Woodhouse taught in the eastern Arctic for many years before moving into a career in hotel management. After he left teaching, he continued to support the local school by working with teachers on various projects and providing work experience for students at the hotels he managed. Mr. Woodhouse was a role model who showed how the school and community can work together to provide the best education possible for young people.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to informed this Assembly that an educational bursary has been established in memory of Mr. Woodhouse. The bursary has been set up and will be administered by the Iqaluit Rotary Club and the Nunavut Research Institute. This partnership is appropriate, since Mr. Woodhouse was an active member of the Rotary Club and often promoted science education and research.

The objective of the annual bursary is to assist students from Nunavut to obtain post-secondary education in the sciences, technology, engineering or the application of traditional knowledge in science which can be applied to future work in Nunavut. Selection will be based on the future aspirations of the applicant for a career within Nunavut, their academic record and financial need. About $30,000 has already been donated to the bursary fund. Organizers are hoping to reach the $50,000 mark, at which point the bursary will be self- supporting. Each award will be about $2,000 and will be based on annual interest drawn from the principal.

Mr. Speaker, I want to congratulate the Iqaluit Rotary Club, Nunavut Arctic College and the Nunavut Research Institute for their vision in establishing the Al Woodhouse Bursary. It is an excellent way to honour the memory of someone who was committed to serving his community and who worked tirelessly to promote education. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 66-13(4): Educational Bursary In Memory Of Al Woodhouse

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to speak on the subject of the privatization of the government's petroleum products division or POL as it is sometimes referred to. As a Member of the Infrastructure Committee, I feel that I have some degree of understanding of the problems with the current manner in which petroleum products are delivered or sold to the smaller non-market communities. The reason Public Works and Services wants to divest itself of this responsibility, as I understand it, is because of inefficiencies in the present system.

There are about 27 PYs associated with this function, with the purchase and sales of the product through the revolving fund. I think it is important to note that in communities where there is a strong private market for petroleum products, this market is served by the private sector. When you get out into the smaller non-market communities, the reason the government is involved seems quite obvious to me. In those communities, the government is the predominate consumer of the product.

It is purchased by public housing authorities, government funded hamlets, government-owned infrastructures such as schools, recreation centres, health centres and most significantly the NWT Power Corporation which accounts for approximately 40 percent of the purchases. A minority or residual volume is purchased by private homeowners and consumers.

Privatization could mean a number of different things. Portions of this function, such as delivery and sales of product to private consumers, could quite easily be privatized. This would generate some economic and community development activity. Could we address the portions of the service which are seen as inefficient? If the will of the government is to completely remove themselves from this exercise, three things should be kept in mind. As an essential commodity, it would have to be regulated. If we give away the assets... Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Hay River is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mrs. Groenewegen , you have unanimous consent.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the will of the government is to completely remove themselves from this exercise, three things should be kept in mind. It is an essential commodity and, as such, should be regulated. If we give away the assets we will not easily get them back and we, as a government, are the major consumer of these products in the non-market communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

If I could remind the Members to please slow down for the translators. We do have Members in this House that require that. All the statements that are missed, those Members do not have the benefit of getting the full story. Just a reminder. Members' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Congratulations To Deegah Tatti

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Monday, February 24th was a very proud day for Steve Iveson and Phoebe Tatti. Their son Deegah graduated from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Training Centre in Regina.

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Congratulations To Deegah Tatti

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

I want to recognize their achievement today and have invited them to be with us here in the gallery. Deegah Tatti, who wanted to be an RCMP officer since he was four years old, is now officially Constable Tatti. He will be leaving shortly on assignment to the Hay River detachment.

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Congratulations To Deegah Tatti

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

His grandparents, Phyllis and Tom Iveson, along with parents Steve and Phoebe, were on hand in Regina to watch Deegah receive his diploma. Unfortunately, his grandparents from the Sahtu, Lucy and Frances Tatti, were unable to travel due to health but they sent their love and best wishes. Mr. Speaker, Deegah is a northern child, born, raised and educated here in the north. He left us

for a short while to further his education and training. Now he is back with us to take his rightful place in our society and will be working hard to make life better for all of us here in the Northwest Territories. I want to wish Deegah good luck and congratulate him and his parents. I am very proud to introduce them here today. Thank you.

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Congratulations To Deegah Tatti

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Impact Of Societal Labels

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, throughout our lives we all carry labels based on where we live, what we do and what roles we have in our families. Society also classifies us based on our income levels, our social standing, our cultural backgrounds and who we associate with or call friends. But with these labels come judgements and once you think of someone in terms of any one of those labels, you may unfortunately make a statement about their opinion and position before giving them a chance to speak.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to share an example with you. Over the past two weeks, since the Nunavut Leaders' Summit in Cambridge Bay, there have been a number of comments made by people and in particular representatives of women's organizations, questioning my comments and opinions on gender parity in the Nunavut Legislature. At this meeting, I spoke on behalf of the Nunavut Caucus and stated our position that a decision to include gender parity is one that, if implemented, would fundamentally change the concept of democratic government and should not be decided by a small group of politicians and leaders but instead be taken to the public through a plebiscite.

No government currently legislates who can or should serve in government based upon any personal characteristics, especially not their gender. To prove there is not a public consensus and a public agreement on this issue and to make a case for a plebiscite, I expressed my own personal view that legislating gender parity may discriminate and label women, rather than advance them. Again, let me stress that I expressed my opinion as a person and as a citizen of Nunavut to illustrate the fact that not all people, men or women, agree that gender parity should be included in the Nunavut government.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Aivilik is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Ms. Thompson , you have unanimous consent.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, since that time, my comments have been misrepresented in a manner which demonstrates some of my fears regarding the concept of gender parity. Some people have stated publicly that my comments were likely influenced and controlled by my male colleagues in the Nunavut Caucus and hence implied that, as a person and as a woman, I could not have formed or expressed this opinion on my own. I wonder if it ever occurred to these people that perhaps in expressing my opinion it was I who influenced my colleagues to come to an agreement regarding our position to support a plebiscite.

-- Applause

Mr. Speaker, it places an unfair and incorrect label and judgment that I can only speak as a woman instead of an equal citizen when, in fact, I represent all the constituents in my riding of Aivilik, not just the women.

-- Applause

Overall, the public and personal statements regarding my comments fulfil my fears that if women are legislated into the Nunavut government, their views and opinions may be called into question because of who they are rather than on the merit of their opinions, ideas or comments.

-- Applause

For the record, Mr. Speaker, I would like to declare my position in this government. Obviously, I believe a woman's perspective is just as important as any perspective in society and in government. I would not be standing here if I did not believe that. When I chose to run for a seat in this current government, I did not decide to do it because I am a woman or to limit myself to women's perspectives or to only speak on women's issues. I decided to do it because of who I am and what I believe in and because I wanted to make a difference.

I believe all issues facing government today, and in the future, are people issues. Mr. Speaker, I am a person first and foremost. I would like to thank the Members of this House for respecting and involving my opinions as an equal.

(Translation) When we had the meeting in Cambridge Bay, there has been a lot of talk about me on the news about this issue of gender parity, especially in regards to the women saying things about me. I was in Cambridge Bay as one of the leaders to meet with the Nunavut leaders. To those women who have made negative comments about me, I would like to say that I want to be able to talk about my feelings as a leader. I am not saying my opinion just because I am a woman and no one pushed me to say what I had to say.

When I became elected to this Legislature, I did not just want to help the women, I wanted to be able to express my opinions by helping all my constituents and I wanted to be able to say that here in the Legislature, I wanted to make some changes. That is why I was elected to the Legislature. I am not here to speak on behalf of just women. I wanted to make changes that the people of Nunavut wanted. I was talked about, behind my back, in regards to women's groups who said they were embarrassed about what I had to say. I want to tell them that gender equality is not what we want in the Nunavut Legislature.

We want to be there because we want to represent our people, not just the women in the north. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Thompson . Members' statements. Again, regarding Members' statements, they are

limited to two and a half minutes. When you double it, it is more than the allowable time for a Member to conclude his statement. I just want to remind the Members that you do have two and a half minutes. We have been here over a year now, we should be able to guess the amount of time required to do a Member's statement and a short time to conclude it. Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Gender Parity In Nunavut Legislature

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the last little while I have listened to news items and phone-in shows in Nunavut regarding gender parity by the different interest groups. As we have publicly stated, the Nunavut MLAs would like to see this issue brought to the people for a vote. Let the people use their common sense when they decide whether they will have an equal number of men and women in their Legislature or whether they will have representation by people based on merit.

Mr. Speaker, I spoke out against gender parity, not because I am a man, but because I am very aware of the rights of men and women as being equal within our democratic government and our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. At present, and since the mid-1900s, women have had the right to vote and to run for any office they wish. Men have the right as well, although their rights occurred well ahead of women's rights. My point here, Mr. Speaker, is that I wish to remind people that we are not hiding anything when we disagree on the gender parity issue.

The point is that we have that equality in this day and age and I do not think it is a fair statement to say that because women's rights are lagging in the north they are under-represented. Women have always been encouraged to run for office, Mr. Speaker. I implore more women to run for what they believe in. I encourage women to become leaders and to run on their own merit. I encourage women, as equals, to run against men and men to run against women as equals.

In this fair and objective manner, men need not have their freedom bound by having to run only against their gender and, vice versa, for women to run against only their gender for the sake of gender parity.

Mr. Speaker, every human being in Canada has similar rights and freedoms. Mr. Speaker, I would like unanimous consent to conclude my statement. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Evaloarjuk is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Evaloarjuk , you have unanimous consent.

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In this fair and objective manner, men need not have their freedom bound by having to run only against their gender and, vice versa, for women to run against only their gender for the sake of gender parity. Mr. Speaker, every human being in Canada has certain rights and freedoms granted as a Canadian. This freedom includes having the opportunity to run against a male or a female, whether he or she is black, white, Inuit, Dene or Metis. These rights are not divided into categories under "more equal than others" terms. These rights are straightforward and clear.

They do not discriminate. Mr. Speaker, I believe that was the intent of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and that is the fundamental reason for my not finding gender parity a necessity in the Nunavut Legislature. Women do have the right to run for office and I encourage them to do so for the new Nunavut Legislature, if they so wish. They are welcome and I encourage it.

Mr. Speaker, I hope my statement will encourage all people in Nunavut, men and women, to recognize we have those rights and freedoms to practice today if we so wish. That is why we are Canadians. Mr. Speaker, based on my constituents' phone calls and letters and having their support on this issue, I have been able to speak on it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Awarding Government Contracts To Local Business

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, my colleagues. Mr. Speaker, if you would allow me, I would like to give very special thanks to Yellowknife Stanton Hospital and also to a very special doctor, Doctor Wheeler. Thank you very much and keep up the good work. (Translation) This morning, Mr. Speaker, I would like to talk about private businesses that try to get contracts. I would like to say in Pangnirtung there is a construction company in the private sector and this construction company has just Inuit employees. It is an Inuit-run business. There used to be eight of them but there are only seven at this time.

I would just like to clarify for you, the people who want to get their own business have a hard time when they first start out and some of them are successful and some of them are not. Mr. Speaker, I would like to say the contracts that are provided by the NWT Housing Corporation to the private businesses should be tendered out and given to more private businesses and small businesses because contracts should be awarded to the local business people in the communities first.

The Inuit businesses or small businesses that start out in the communities cannot purchase any locally manufactured or locally owned material from their community, so they should be assisted by the government. I feel the local business people should be given the opportunity to get contracts from the government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Selecting Inuvik As A Conference Location

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to start by sending greetings back to my wife and children back in Inuvik.

Mr. Speaker, on February 19th, Mr. Kakfwi , the Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development informed this House that the process to develop a Protected Area strategy would begin in Inuvik in the week of March 3rd. I would like to thank the Minister for selecting Inuvik as the site to start this historic initiative. Not only will the meeting give the town a badly needed shot in the arm, Inuvik is a wise choice for this meeting. Inuvik means the place of man. Mr. Speaker, the word man is used in the broadest sense to mean people, mankind.

Since its birth, Inuvik has been a crossroads where people of many cultures from many places have met. The community is an everyday meeting place for the Gwich'in, Inuvialuit and non-aboriginal residents. It has been and remains a centre for research. The region has been a testing ground for new technologies and ideas. Inuvik is an ideal place to bring together the many varied interests which will be needed to develop a strategy that will meet the economic, social and environmental needs of the northerners in the future.

The town of Inuvik has hosted big conferences and meetings in the past. Mr. Speaker, Inuvik always welcomes visitors. I am sure those who travel to Inuvik for the meeting on a Protected Areas Strategy will be greeted as warmly as other visitors and have a time which they will long remember. Mr. Speaker, all MLAs have been invited to attend the Inuvik gathering. I encourage my fellow Members to visit my community and participate in the deliberations on a Protected Areas Strategy. This is an opportunity to get on the ground floor of an exciting initiative that we will hear much about in the future. In closing, Mr.

Speaker, I extend a welcome to those who will meet in Inuvik. We all have a responsibility to look after the land, to manage it, to use it properly and protect it to meet our needs and the needs of our future generations.

Those deliberating at the conference in Inuvik have an important role to play in our future. They face a task that can be best completed by working together. I wish the Minister and the participants the best in their deliberations. Once again, Mr. Speaker, I would like to express my thanks to the Minister and hope the other Ministers will follow his lead by holding conferences in Inuvik as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Selecting Inuvik As A Conference Location

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Page 959

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Need For Higher Education

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 959

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the course of this Assembly most, if not all, of my colleagues have spoken on the importance of getting a good education. Today I would again like to stress this need for our residents to achieve the highest amount of education they can.

Mr. Speaker, in this changing world of ours, our people need to further themselves in order to compete in this everchanging society. The word is getting there but we must continue to keep education in mind for all our residents. We must support our young and old alike. We must find the ways to provide education to all.

Mr. Speaker, my colleagues have stressed the need for adult education to be offered in all communities and I believe we must find a way to see this happen.

Mr. Speaker, our residents have many opportunities for employment in the years to come. The different mining companies that are developing sites will need trained workers with relatively high economic skills. We have BHP that will be starting operations in the near future, who will require numerous trained staff and will remain within the next ten years. They will only hire individuals that have at least grade 12 education. This is one very good example of why our people need good educations. Mr.

Speaker, in my region as I stated in previous sessions, we have 26 residents attending college or university over the north and the rest of Canada. With more coming towards wanting to upgrade their skills and attend a variety of interesting studies, I hope they encourage all our people to get involved in education and fulfil their dreams. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Accusations Made Regarding Traditional Knowledge

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last night on CBC North a government employee, Frances Widdowson, made some comments on her views on traditional knowledge and the spiritual beliefs of aboriginal people. For myself, I was very offended by those statements and I do not believe it is the time for a government employee to downgrade aboriginal people's beliefs, thoughts or rights to speak their minds.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

This individual made accusations that the aboriginal traditional knowledge is not relevant nor their spiritual beliefs. Yet aboriginal people have been in the north for 10,000 or 20,000 years compared to Europeans who have come to North America in the last hundreds of years. I believe we are finally making a stride in recognizing traditional knowledge for what it is. It is knowledge which has been handed down for thousands and thousands of years by aboriginal people in one of the harshest climates in the world.

For an employee of this government to make accusations that her religious beliefs are stronger than an aboriginal right to recognize their spirituality of surviving in the country long before there were Bibles, religions or things that we take as religious beliefs in the sense of the European market.

I would like to close by stating there have been hundreds, if not hundreds of millions of dollars spent in the scientific community on research regarding polar gas, the Mackenzie Valley pipeline, the Norman Wells pipeline, and the mining industry by scientists who fly up here during the summer season to do their tests in a month or two month period, fly south, go to a university and analyze it over the winter and they say that information is more powerful than people who have lived here and collected this information for thousands and thousands of years. I would like to ask the appropriate Minister a question on this particular subject. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member Absent From The House

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Page 960

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you Mr. Speaker. I would like to inform the House that the honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Henry , will not be in the House on Friday or Monday. Before he left he mumbled something about catching a plane to meet the United States Secretary of State and something about the Middle East crisis. I did not catch it all, but I am sure he will do a good job.

-- Laughter

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Member Absent From The House

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, seriously, Mr. Henry will not be in the House today or Monday. He had to attend a previous engagement that he arranged quite some time before we decided to extend the session for a week a few days ago. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements, Mr. Picco .

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Insecurities Felt By GNWT Employees

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Page 960

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one of the things that continues to bother me about the GNWT is the secrecy and the MI5 approach to everything. This has the effect of silencing employees coming forward with ideas, solutions or sometimes criticisms. Mr. Speaker, from the entry level clerk to the senior managers, many of these individuals are afraid to say anything contrary about the government or give information because they fear for their jobs or fear they will be disciplined. Is this is the way to run a government, by fear? I think not. Is this some recent phenomenon? I think not.

Mr. Speaker, I will give you an example. I had a call a few days ago at my office. It was a middle manager for my constituency who wanted to make me aware of a certain situation. The call came after five Eastern Standard Time and was shrouded in low tones and whispers. It was like something out of Kafka. The point being a simple phone call to their MLA is so threatening to our employees they would rather not call because of fear of being disciplined. The question is why they feel this way.

Last year, I brought up the fact, as did some other MLAs, that when we wanted to speak to the senior superintendents or senior bureaucracy in our ridings they are under the impression they could not speak to us on GNWT matters, although they were our constituents.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Approach To Affirmative Action

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Page 960

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to say a few words about the Affirmative Action Policy and approach. I raised some questions last year as to when this policy would be brought forward by the government to be reviewed by all the Members here. We urgently need to address this particular issue, Mr. Speaker. I am disappointed this has not been brought forward to us yet. Every day individuals apply to the Government of the Northwest Territories and the Affirmative Action Policy is in effect. People get effected by that. Every summer our students are caught up with this particular problem with their peers.

Problems of this policy are not going to go away through wishful thinking, Mr. Speaker. We need to review it and we need to review this soon.

The other day I asked the Premier for some detailed statistical analysis to be done of every area of government, so we can see where the successes and the failures of this government are in relationship to the Affirmative Action Policy. We need the statistical dissection or make-up of the government and also the boards and agencies run by the various regions whose success rates are nothing to write home about. The impact of that has great impact on our overall statistics. I am not content to accept blanket statements that our present Affirmative Action Policy is only 34 percent successful without detailed analysis to back this up.

My information attributes a higher rate in certain areas. If those areas are under-represented, let us find out why. Is it because of a lack of availability of qualified people? In the course of trying to correct our problems, let us not chastise or unfairly treat our employees that serve us so well, whose only short-coming is they were non-aboriginal or long-time northerners. When we are doing analysis, it would also be beneficial for the government to address how this policy was originally crafted by our political predecessor. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Approach To Affirmative Action

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife Centre is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Ootes , you have unanimous consent.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In researching the original development of the Affirmative Action Policy, some questions were raised that the draft policy would exceed what the Human Rights Commission would approve. The question needs to be looked at. How did the Department of Justice and the government of the day address concerns that this policy not exceed what the Human Rights Act would normally allow in under-represented programs in specially employment areas?

Let me tell you how I feel about this whole issue. I am supportive of ensuring the makeup of this government and its civil service is reflective of its population. I truly believe there are inequities to be solved. But is the Affirmative Action Policy the answer to solve that inequity? I do not know because I have nothing to go on, no convincing detail data. There are defenders of this policy and there are detractors. The other day, Mr. Henry stated that he wanted this policy eliminated. Let us stop right now and get the government to address this issue. Have them do the research and bring forward the data.

I am all for a revised approach that gets rid of the mistrust and suspicion this policy seems to create. In our jurisdiction, we are in an unique situation. We are one of four minority groups. The aboriginal people are in fact the majority of our population. While the original inhabitants of the north are the majority, they remain seriously under-represented in commerce, business and government. There is no good reason why they should remain economically and financially deprived in the north.

We have an opportunity to get the economic situations of the aboriginal peoples correct and not on welfare. The affirmative action policy needs full review and analysis. All of the stakeholders affected by that government policy need an opportunity to revisit the policy and honestly reassess its true intents. The Human Rights Act and employment equity legislation was served as our base to revamp our approach here in the north. In the north, we can do what the rest of the world could not do.

We could ensure the aboriginal people become fully educated and masters of their social and cultural change processes and wealthy by all measures of their traditional and Canadian ways of life. We need to do this in a fair and equitable way to all our northern citizens. I urge all concerned Members of this House to join me in a concerted effort to become a model of true success where one jurisdiction got the health and well-being of all its people right. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Administrative Tasks Related To Division

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Page 961

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to make some brief comments on the issue of division. As we see the end of the road coming with this particular budget process within the next week, it is time to turn our attention very quickly to division. We have been told and learnt in the last year and a half that we are behind

schedule on the biggest initiative that is going to face this government. Mr. Speaker, we have to move ahead with the administrative plans to split the headquarters as it now exists, delineate the staff that are going to be required in the east and start putting all of those pieces in place so that people know very clearly without any more fear and uncertainty as to the direction that is going to be taken by this government and the impact that it is going to have on the people affected.

Mr. Speaker, we have an obligation as a government to do this. We have to work with our partners, the federal government, NTI and the western coalition on formula financing. As a government, from an administrative point of view, we have an obligation to start to put the pieces in place, so that come April 1, 1999, both territories can start functioning. To avoid a huge snafu where people are scrambling around, nobody knowing where the light switch is in the building to write cheques and any number of possible nightmare scenarios that can be painted.

We have an obligation as a Legislature to move now and more quickly on that particular function because the administrative side is going to be critical in the first few days of each new territory after April 1, 1999. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements, Mr. Antoine .

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Opening Of Fort Liard Community Hall

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 961

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I had the opportunity to participate in the official opening of the Fort Liard Community Hall last weekend, Saturday, February 22nd. MLAs James Rabesca , Floyd Roland and Mike Miltenberger accompanied me along with staff Pietro de Bastiani, Edith Giroux and Kat Nicholson. Ms. Penny Ballantyne, deputy minister of MACA, on behalf of the Honourable Manitok Thompson , was along for this trip. Mr. Speaker, it is very important that Members of this Legislative Assembly take any opportunity to experience other parts of the Northwest Territories, for we do make decisions that affect the lives of everyone in the NWT. For that, I thank the Members for accompanying me on this trip.

Mr. Speaker, it was an eventful day in Fort Liard. The MLA Sharks played a hard fought hockey game against the community and we won the match 10 to 7.

-- Applause

We won under the watchful eyes of our coach, James Scotty Bowman Rabesca. Several of the Sharks most spectacular goals were scored by my colleague from Inuvik, who has an incredible reach and finesse around the goal.

-- Applause

He reminds me of Jean Belliveau. Our defensive play was anchored by my smooth skating colleague for Thebacha. The Toronto Maple Leafs could use his skills right now. However, the truth to our success could be found in the top goal tending that we got from Fabian Hope, who was loaned to us by the community. Following the game, the community hosted a feast and drum dance and a dance to celebrate the opening of the community hall. This long awaited facility is a welcome addition to the community. It will be used for gatherings, community events, dances and meetings.

Well-used facilities such as this have a very positive impact on the communities and will help bring people together. On behalf of the residents, I extend thanks to the former and current Member, Ministers of Municipal and Community Affairs for providing the residents of Fort Liard with this much needed community hall. I would also like to thank Her Worship, Nicole Latour-Theede, and the hamlet council, Chief Harry Deneron and the band council, and I am running out of time, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask for unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Nahendeh is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have

any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Antoine , you have unanimous consent.

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Opening Of Fort Liard Community Hall

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you. I would like to thank the Metis local, Charley Hope and his hockey team and the entire community of Fort Liard for the hospitality afforded to myself and my colleagues during our visit to Fort Liard.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I would like to remind all the Members and my colleagues in the House today about the concerns raised from time to time by our staff and you, Mr. Speaker, regarding our health. After a brief visit to the beautiful Liard valley, my honourable colleagues have returned to this House with renewed vigour and a productive attitude. I can only attribute that to the healthy conditions experienced while visiting the Nahendeh country. I look forward to returning to spend more time with the people in Nahendeh once this House ends sometime next week. Thank you. Mahsi.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 962

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a pleasure today to recognize the mayor of Hay River, His Worship Jack Rowe in the gallery.

-- Applause

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Page 962

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize the Grand Chief for the Dene Nation, Mr. Billy Erasmus.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Erasmus .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to recognize the National Chief of the Dene Nation, Bill Erasmus, if he is still here. He is from the community of Ndilo and Yellowknife North constituency and Mr. Erasmus is doing a very good job with very few dollars.

-- Laughter

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

I would urge this government to learn a lesson on affirmative action from Mr. Erasmus . He has a staff of 10 and they are all women. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize my wife, a fine mother and an even better grandmother and the longest serving community librarian in the north, Jeri Miltenberger.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Picco .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 962

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Mr. Andrew Johnson, the RVP for UNW in the Baffin. Andrew says he had his hair shaved off in recognition of all the cuts taken by the UNW.

-- Laughter

He informs me that he is not going to let it grow back until the cuts are rescinded or until Mr. Todd takes him out for a night cap.

-- Laughter

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Page 962

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to introduce a former co-worker and vice-president of the Union of Northern Workers, Josie Gould.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 416-13(4): Reductions To Wildlife Organizations

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 962

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday during committee of the whole I raised questions in the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development. While going through that budget, I had come across information in respect to the wildlife committee and organizations and funding cuts. I would like to know with the motion put forward by Mr. Steen and passed by the committee of the whole, if the Minister would look at this area and reconsider some of the reductions that are happening to wildlife organizations. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I want to ensure the Members of the Legislature that motions that are made are taken very seriously. The motion recommends re-instating funding to

wildlife committees at the community level to the levels they were at in previous years. As all motions made by the Legislature, they will be taken to be considered collectively with the Minister of Finance . We will be responding once we have had time to review these and see if there is any way possible to respond positively to them. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is encouraging to hear that it will be taken seriously. I believe those organizations in the community benefit the people who need it the most, who are trying to be productive and help put food on their tables. I had raised a question yesterday in committee of the whole. If the Minister has the information available today with him. I know from my experience on the Inuit Hunters and Trappers Committee, there was a contribution agreement signed for five years. Is that agreement still in place?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I got home about 10 o'clock last night, but I do want to assure the Member I am taking this motion seriously. I actually took it home with me. Once there is some time to look at it with my colleagues and my department, I will be doing that. The specific information required, such as the contribution agreements made at the community level, will be reviewed as well. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 417-13(4): Accusations Made Regarding Traditional Knowledge

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of RWED . It is in relation to my opening statement regarding comments made by an individual on CBC North last night in relation to traditional knowledge and also the effects those comments may have had on how other aboriginal people and communities have taken it. Are those comments endorsed by this government?

This government is presently in the process of self-government talks with aboriginal organizations to bring them into the household of recognizing them through this government, through comments by the Premier , in regards to recognizing band councils and Metis locals and also Inuvialuit organizations. Are these comments in any way, shape or form being endorsed by this government?

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, there was an allegation made earlier in the year in a publication that this government was promoting religious beliefs through the imposition of this policy and that is categorically rejected by myself and the government. The policy says that any programs and services we deliver should recognize the spiritual values and beliefs that are held by the aboriginal people. We hold that to be a valid and legitimate position to advance.

We do not ask anyone to take on a belief they do not hold, just to respect that people have values and spiritual beliefs that must be recognized and taken into account when we advance our own work and develop our own policies when we develop our own programs and services. That is the position we take. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is there any way this government could possibly make a public statement in regards to those statements which may have offended any aboriginal organizations or aboriginal people?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, there is an individual that has taken liberty to have statements printed espousing their own views on the policy they allege we are imposing on them. I do not think there is any validity to the statements and I am not concerned myself to respond. I think there is both academic and scientific merit to giving recognition in respect to traditional knowledge.

It is supported by scientists and academics alike that there is value in traditional knowledge and that respect must be given to those and that the cultural context in which spiritual and cultural values are held must be taken into account when we deliver programs and services. That is the view we take. We reject any notion that values have no place in the scientific community. Even on environmental assessment programs, scientific evidence as well as the values of the people involved are requested and are demanded to be taken into account. This is the way that we operate at this time. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will there be any reprimand for the individual for going public and making her views known and slandering an aboriginal view of a cultural group which consists of over 50 percent of our population. Will anything be done to reprimand that individual?

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the views printed by the individual or individuals will be dealt with by the academic and scientific community in the appropriate manner and they will be, as you would say, dispatched in a very appropriate way. That will be done by their alleged colleagues. Whether or not that particular employee acted in an appropriate way is not one that I wish to comment on. I leave these types of management issues to the deputy minister of the department, who is responsible for dealing with employees according to our policies and practices. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to the overall question about traditional knowledge and the exact cost of compiling that information versus scientific knowledge, I would like to ask the Minister if he would consider ensuring there is adequate funding and resources for traditional knowledge research to be compiled by aboriginal organizations or cultural organizations? Thank you.

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have contracted a consultant who is working with my office to provide me with some advice on how I can act in a way that is consistent with the position we have taken, which is that traditional knowledge is and should be an integral part of the way this government provides programs and services in a wide range of areas. I will be actively encouraging the development of an approach that will further enhance the use of traditional knowledge and the recognition of it by this government through the way we deal with employees with programs and services and the way that decisions are made by government right across the departments. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 418-13(4): Future Work In Nunavut Conference

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Deputy Premier. Following the meeting in Cambridge Bay, I understand there is a major conference being held in Iqaluit next week entitled: Future Work in Nunavut. It is my understanding that the Deputy Premier may be attending this conference. What involvement will the GNWT have in this conference? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Deputy Premier, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, it is true that I had made plans and I do have tickets to go to Iqaluit on Monday to attend this important conference. The Assembly still has to consider and approve the Housing Corporation budget which I must attend to. Depending on what happens in the next couple of days, I may very well have to stay here for consideration of the budget next week. However, the government has been intimately involved in the preparation of the conference. I understand we have contributed about $100,000 towards it. The staff of Mr. Dent 's department have been assisting wherever they can.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. O'Brien , supplementary.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if it is not possible for the Deputy Premier to attend this important conference, would it be possible for another Minister to attend in his place? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I would have to check with the Premier . We do have a back-up plan that we are working on, in that much of the conference will be organized through up-links with satellites using video-conferencing. We are trying to make arrangements to attend through video-conferencing here in Yellowknife. That is the plan we are working on.

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Samuel Gargan

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, following up on the same line of questioning as Mr. O'Brien on the Future of Work conference being held in Iqaluit. Because we have not finished our budget deliberations, I am not able to attend either, although I had indicated to the NIC that I would be attending. I would like to follow-up on the tele-conferencing and the video-conferencing. Can Mr. Dent inform this House if Members of this Assembly, like myself and other Members of the Nunavut Caucus who wanted to be at the meeting, will be able to participate through tele-conferencing and video up-links? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe that Mr. Arlooktoo indicated in his answer to Mr. O'Brien that he had been investigating the possibility of participating in the conference through a video link-up. I am

advised at this time, we have not yet managed to confirm that a video link-up will be available. If it is, I can assure the Members they will be advised and given every opportunity to participate as that develops. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the conference being held in Iqaluit on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday of next week is subject around the future of work and that includes job-sharing and flexible time and so on. What departmental officials from Mr. Dent 's or from the government would be attending the conference in Iqaluit?

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Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we will have the people who are involved in the college and adult educators in the region attending the conference. Mr. Mark Cleveland, the assistant deputy minister for Culture and Careers, had intended to attend the conference but yesterday received notification that the federal Department of Human Resources Development wished to continue some negotiations that we have ongoing with them and he will have to travel to Edmonton on Monday, so cannot attend. I do know that we see this as an important conference. The department has been, as Mr.

Arlooktoo said, fairly extensively involved in the committee organizing the conference and I can say with some certainty that there will be a large presence from Education, Culture and Employment and the college at the conference next week. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister for RWED regarding the agreement signed with BHP. This is the biggest project to come down the pipe for the Northwest Territories for a long time and we have signed an agreement that covers a wide range of areas. Could the Minister indicate the kind of monitoring mechanism that we are going to have to keep a handle on the wide range of issues that have been addressed under that agreement? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are a number of agreements that were signed, namely the environmental agreement and the socio-economic agreement. As far as the environmental agreement is concerned, there is a mechanism that is laid out in the agreement, namely the establishment and setting up of a monitoring agency. I understand the parties have been working to set that up and it is targeted to be set up by the 7th of April. The agreement and the stakeholders are working well. We are on target as far as that particular agreement is concerned.

As far as the socio-economic agreement is concerned regarding contracts and employment commitments, the deputy minister for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development is the person designated to be responsible for overseeing that the agreement and the commitments made in it are met. We have internal discussions right now on whether there is a more appropriate mechanism required to ensure there is compliance and that the commitments are met in a timely way and we have some effective way to monitor that. That is currently where we are. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate a possible timeframe regarding the monitoring of the socio-economic agreement and the possible new mechanism that might be put in place? I agree that the deputy minister is far too busy to be able to single-handedly, effectively monitor and some other alternate mechanism is going to be required. Could the Minister indicate a possible timeframe for that? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Once the session is over and the officials within the respective departments have some time to dedicate to other ongoing work in a timely way, I would be able to indicate to Members in the next couple of weeks what type of timeframe we have and whether we do require a specific mechanism within the government to ensure that we meet the commitments made within the socio-economic agreement in an effective way.

For instance, the Department of Health and Social Services, Education, Culture and Employment, as well as my department, are some of the departments that have responsibilities laid out in the socio-economic agreement. Right now, there is a working group that are detailing exactly what those commitments are, plus trying to establish exactly how we can meet those commitments.

Having said that, it will be senior managers, deputy ministers, that will need to meet in order to advise myself as the lead Minister and the respective Ministers within the involved departments whether there is a better way to meet those commitments within the agreement; what better way might be recommended by them. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This particular initiative has a possible 30-year life and there are other mega-projects and mining projects of a similar nature looming on the horizon. It is going to be critical as a government that we have a mechanism beyond one person to be able to monitor that something as significant as that has an influence on all areas. Would the Minister bring forward the plan when it is agreed to, so we could see the kind of structure that is going to be there to monitor the training, the economic benefits and the social impacts, given the magnitude of this project and the kind of fundamental planning that has to be done. Thank you.

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is true that these are incredibly significant achievements that we have made. Commitments that are made by this government, by other stakeholders, have the potential to bring significant benefits to the people of the north, to the businesses and the communities that we have up here. As a Minister and as a government, we have an obligation to ensure we look at every way possible to maximize the opportunities before us and to ensure that the commitments that are made by the stakeholders are lived up to.

We have an obligation to make sure members of the public and Members of the Legislature have some measurable way, some way that is provided to them, that gives them the assurance that, as a government, we are doing everything we can to maximize the opportunities and to make sure the commitments made are lived up to in the full sense. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 421-13(4): Impact Of Electronic Backbone

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government has boldly embraced the Internet. We have signed a multi-billion dollar contract to provide the backbone for the electronic highway in all territorial communities. I know the Internet is a very valuable source of information. It has changed many of the ways that we do business. I agree that it would be nice for every NWT community to have access to the net but, in our rush to be part of the technological revolution, I want to make sure we have thought of all the impacts. I have an area of concern that I want to raise today.

Mr. Speaker, my concern is the impact that this electronic backbone is going to have on existing service providers. As we try to provide services where there are none through this huge contract, I am not sure the government has thought about those who already provide this service in some communities. These business people have made significant investments to give people access to the electronic highway. Will they be able to compete with government-supported big business?

In November, one of my colleagues asked about the impact of the digital communication network on the existing service providers in some of the communities. The Minister was unable to give a clear indication of what was happening at that time. Can the Minister tell this House what arrangements have been made to ensure existing service providers are not negatively affected as a result of the GNWTs' contract for the electronic backbone? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, I will take that question as notice. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The question is taken as notice. The time being 12 o'clock, we will recess to 1:30.

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Samuel Gargan

I would like to call the House back to order. We are on item 6, oral questions and I have Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 422-13(4): Policy For Awarding Contracts

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This morning I made a Member's statement regarding people with their own businesses in the communities. The NWT Housing Corporation is going to get people to construct and erect housing in the communities, when are they going to give out contracts or tenders to the public? I want to get clarification from the Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation on what their policy is for awarding contracts. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, I answered a question yesterday when I was asked by a Member how these policies or guidelines can be resolved. We are trying to get some information at this time to give to the Members. We are in support of private businesses that do contracts in the communities, for the small businesses to be able to try to get some contracts for construction of housing. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 423-13(4): Division Negotiating Committee

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for division. Recently the government struck a committee to assist in the negotiations for the new financial arrangements regarding division. Can the Minister tell the House who is involved in this committee and if the committee has met to date? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My honourable colleague is correct. There is an arrangement being reached to bring all the associated parties to the table to move towards negotiating two new formula arrangements. I have just drafted a letter to all the parties in the north asking them to come to a meeting with the leadership and their officials, so we can discuss and take a look at where there might be common positions that we have and we hold, so we can move forward as one when the federal government calls the first meeting sometime in April. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when the two formulas are devised, will they come from the existing budget? If not, how will they be arrived at? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

My apologies, Mr. Speaker. I did not have my hearing aid in and, as some Members have often said, I do occasionally have selective hearing and, in this case, I had selective hearing and did not hear the honourable colleague.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. O'Brien , your second supplementary.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question was regarding the two new formulas. Will they come from the existing budget? If not, how will they be derived? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is an important question and while it has not yet been clearly defined what approach we will be taking with respect to the new financial arrangements, it would be my position that what we are looking at is two new formulas. We would have a starting position on those formulas by costing the status quo in the west because that is what we have had right now with provision for adjustments change as the constitution discussions unfold. We want to move quickly to cost the Footprints in the Snow Two decentralized model.

We will then move forward through federal finance, seeking their support in finding the appropriate levels of funding that are required for both territories based upon the costing that we intend to undertake in the next 60 to 90 days. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker