Debates of Feb. 15th, 1996

This is page numbers 17 - 42 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was communities .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Recognition Of National Citizenship Week And Heritage Day

Community Wellness

Potential Diamond Mine

Pangnirtung Capital Projects

National Citizenship Week

GNWT Staff Training Courses

National Citizenship Week

Proposed Rankin Inlet Tank Farm

Return To 5-13(2): Problems With Gjoa Haven Airport Lighting System

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Response To Igloolik's Petition For A Community Centre

Proposed Rankin Inlet Tank Farm

Costs For Transfer Of Nunatta Campus Programs

Advancement Of Maintenance Garage Project In Pangnirtung

Dust Control Problem In Gjoa Haven

Departmental Position On Chiropractic Services

Competitions Advertised For Deputy Ministers

Environmental Study Re Rankin Inlet Tank Farm

Timetable For Construction Of Clyde River Arena

Annual Mackenzie Bison Hunt Regulations

Possible Remedies Re Skyline Cable Systems

Streamlining Ui And Social Assistance To Assist In Upgrading

Status Of NWT Architectural Legislation

Social Assistance Policy On Rental Arrears Owed To Lhas

Status Of New School For Ndilo In Capital Plan

Written Question 1-13(2): GNWT Staff Training

Revert To Item 6: Oral Questions

Implementation Of Docking Facility In Clyde River

Amount Of Outstanding Rental Arrears Owed To GNWT

Financial Assistance For Itc Re Gun Control Legislation Court Costs

Minister's Assistance In Obtaining Costs Of Privatization

Public Housing In Natilikmiot Without Running Water

Training Session For Justices Of The Peace

Timing Of Renovations To Public Housing

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Sessional Statement

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine , Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 17

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, honourable Members.

Earlier this afternoon, Commissioner Helen Maksagak, the Honourable Ethel Blondin-Andrew, MP, the Honourable Charles Dent , myself and many others participated in a flag-raising ceremony to celebrate the 31st anniversary of the Canadian Flag.

The flag-raising ceremony was held as part of the Canada - Take it to Heart initiatives, where all Canadians are being asked to take time to honour those things that are important to us as individuals and members of the Canadian family.

Our Canadian Flag was raised for the first time in 1965, and for the past 31 years has been the most potent symbol of our identity and our sense of belonging to Canada.

There are so many reasons for joining together to celebrate this cherished symbol that identifies us as unique, proud and confident people. I hope that this event today on the anniversary of the Canadian Flag will strengthen our sense of belonging and our faith in this country as today and every day we realize how fortunate we are to live in a country like Canada, truly the envy of the world.

At this time, I would like to recognize in the gallery, our MP for the Western Arctic, Ms. Ethel Blondin-Andrew.

---Applause

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 2-13(2): Recognition Of National Citizenship Week And Heritage Day

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, we sometimes get so caught up in the day-to-day issues we face in Canada that we forget the many things that work right in our country and, for all the challenges we face, many things do work well. For the second year in a row, the United Nations has ranked Canada as the best country in the world in which to live. I believe we occasionally need to take time to reflect on the benefits of living in Canada and the contributions of the peoples who have helped build our country.

Heritage provides a foundation for each one of us. Our culture and heritage shapes how we see the world, how we learn and how we relate to others. Understanding our heritage helps us understand ourselves and gives each of us the self-confidence we need to meet the challenges in our everyday lives.

Heritage Day, February 19th, has special significance for the Northwest Territories. The NWT is made up of peoples of many different cultures, each of which has made important contributions to our society. Heritage Day presents us with an excellent opportunity to learn more about our own culture, and to learn more about our neighbours.

Heritage Day is a project of the Heritage Canada Foundation, which has chosen the contributions of Nordic Canadians as its theme for this year. To celebrate this theme, the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre will be holding special programs this Sunday and Monday. A significant event on Sunday will be the First Annual Knut Skibstad L'il Loppet ski race, which is being held to honour the late Knut Skibstad. Mr. Skibstad was a Canadian or Norwegian descent who worked as a cabinet maker and exhibit fabricator at the Northern Heritage Centre for 14 years.

The Heritage Centre will also host a series of children's activities on Heritage Day to promote awareness of Nordic Canadian cultures. Museums and heritage organizations in other NWT communities will also hold events and activities in celebration of Heritage Day.

Mr. Speaker, the Northwest Territories has a rich cultural heritage that stretches over thousands of years. There are many ways in which all northerners can learn more about their own culture and heritage. Some of these include visiting an elder and asking about his or her childhood; visiting a museum, heritage building or historic site; exchanging stories or traditions with someone of another culture; or, spending an evening looking at family photos.

I encourage all Members of this Assembly and all residents of the NWT to take some time on February 19th to reflect on the many advantages of living in Canada and the importance of culture and heritage. Thank you.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 2-13(2): Recognition Of National Citizenship Week And Heritage Day

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 3-13(2): Community Wellness

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, this statement is a short progress report on the community wellness strategy. In the summer of 1995, an intensive round of consultation resulted in a directions document for community wellness. Following this, a series of regional and community meetings were held to develop plans for the implementation of the strategy across the Territories.

In conjunction with these meetings, a community action fund of $2.9 million was established. The fund allowed community groups to pilot a variety of initiatives. These initiatives were aimed at preparing communities to take on more responsibility for wellness programs and services.

I am pleased to say that interest in this initiative has been unprecedented. More and more communities are developing their own plans for implementing wellness initiatives for their residents. As you know, this government recognizes community wellness as a top priority.

As a result, I have been asked to finalize a framework that will allow communities to take on responsibility for the full range of wellness programs and services currently managed by our government. This framework will be complete by June 1996, and will empower communities to accept the transfer of resources by the beginning of the new fiscal year in 1997-98.

Mr. Speaker, this is more than simply a transfer of government programs and services. We all recognize that we cannot afford our current way of doing business. As well, communities have told us that the government's methods of delivering services are not always in keeping with the traditions and priorities of our residents. The most consistent feedback we have received is that the proliferation of government departments, boards and agencies in communities has been a source of frustration.

The framework will allow communities to accept responsibility for community wellness programs as part of a larger community empowerment initiative of this government. When it is complete, communities can be provided with block funding to deliver many of the programs and services that are currently delivered by government departments and agencies within the social envelope.

The funding arrangements will provide flexibility, allowing communities to develop their own priorities for service delivery. Ideally, the funding for government programs and services would be managed through a single organization at the community level, possibly the local governing body. This will promote consistency and ensure that services are linked and complementary to each other.

Standards for many of the wellness programs and services will need to be fairly general, Mr. Speaker, to give communities flexibility for their own unique solutions. However, some of the services are guided by legislation and communities will have to recognize these statutory limitations on their spending. The requirements of the Canada Health Act and the Education Act are two examples of areas where territory-wide standards will have to be met.

However, we are confident that, even in these areas, there is room for much more flexibility through block funding arrangements. More details will be made available as departmental business plans are finalized. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 3-13(2): Community Wellness

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Potential Diamond Mine

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 18

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Five years ago, the idea of North America's first diamond mine being located here in the NWT was a mere dream. Today it appears that such a mine is a definite possibility and one that I feel that this government, from the Premier 's remarks yesterday, supports.

Before this mine can proceed, it must meet with the approval of the Environmental Assessment Review panel appointed by the federal government. This week the panel is here in Yellowknife, hearing views of many different people. Many of the presenters are northern residents sharing their ideas from technical, cultural, environmental and social points of view. Northerners are recognizing the potential of the possible diamond mine, but also reminding us of the importance of our land, the wildlife and the environment.

The panel has also heard from groups outside of the Territories; in particular, my attention was drawn to the comments by a member of an Australian environmental group advising northerners who to listen to and what to believe. As I listened to the remarks, Mr. Speaker, I kept thinking of others who have told northerners what is best for them; in particular, the North has struggled as a result of those in southern Canada and in Europe who know better than us about the fur industry, about what is humane and what is not humane.

These groups or individuals have taken trapping as a way of life from many northerners and cannot be allowed to influence northerners regarding a potential economic means to survive in the event of a complete ban of fur products.

Mr. Speaker, while the experiences of others can be valid, we live in a unique part of the world and have unique ways of doing business. I believe the environmental panel, which includes northerners, will focus on the concerns and issues of northerners, rather than advice from those in other parts of the world who think they know what is good for us.

I hope the panel will make recommendations which will help northerners and BHP build a long and prosperous future together, one which will benefit the people of the Northwest Territories as well as the company. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Pangnirtung Capital Projects

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon to my colleagues. Mr. Speaker, on January 24, 1996, I was pleased to be asked to participate in a teleconference with the mayor, councillors and officials from the hamlet of Pangnirtung and the regional office of the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs in Baffin. We discussed capital priorities for Pangnirtung at that meeting. We discussed a number of capital projects, and some of those capital projects such as dump sites and sewage disposal sites, sealift staging. We were told that the projects are on

schedule and are okay.

On another topic, the hamlet requested that a new dump truck should take priority over a new bulldozer. The hamlet asked that the dump truck be moved forward and the bulldozer moved back. They were told by the officials that it should not be a problem. However, when the hamlet requested moving the maintenance garage project ahead to the 1996-97 capital plan since it is a priority for the community, the regional superintendent said that the 1996-97 capital plan might be cut and he was not sure if it was going to be possible to move the maintenance garage forward.

I would like to inform the honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs that the maintenance garage is a strong priority for the hamlet of Pangnirtung. It is necessary to prolong the life of hamlet vehicles. The new maintenance garage is an investment for our government since it will make the hamlet equipment last much longer.

I welcome the chance to participate with the officials in our government...

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Enuaraq , your time is up.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Mr. Speaker, I am seeking unanimous consent.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for High Arctic is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Enuaraq .

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Mr. Speaker, just one correction: Member for Baffin Central , instead of High Arctic. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

My apologies.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

When the officials say they cannot answer a question, I hope that the message is communicated to the Minister.

Later today, I will be asking the Minister whether she has any news about the important request from the hamlet of Pangnirtung. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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National Citizenship Week

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to say a few words about the celebration we had here at the Legislative Assembly at 1:00 today to mark National Citizenship Week. It was a very meaningful ceremony for me. I came to Canada as a young boy in the early 1950s with my parents when they emigrated from our native Holland after the Second World

War. Over the decades, my family has really learned to appreciate the wonderful country that Canada is.

In order for us -- my family, that is -- to become Canadian citizens, we had to be resident here for four years. On the very day of our fourth anniversary my father filed application forms for all members of our family to become Canadian citizens. People from around the world want to emigrate to our country to become citizens here.

To celebrate National Citizenship Week, the federal government has distributed an activity guide with ideas on how we can celebrate this special week. It's called "Canada - Take it to Heart." All of us here should encourage our citizens and organizations in our communities to participate in some of these activities suggested in the guide so that we continue to build on our unique heritage and identity. All northerners should be encouraged to participate in ways that are important to them and, in the process, continue to build this country that remains the envy of the world.

National Citizenship Week is a very special week for us all. This week is also the 31st anniversary of the unveiling of the Canadian red maple leaf flag; I believe it was today. I am very proud to say that I was on Parliament Hill when Prime Minister Pearson declared that the maple leaf be Canada's official flag and as it was raised on the Peace Tower on Parliament Hill. Our red maple leaf is recognized and respected around the world. I want to ask all of us here who represent many different cultural, aboriginal and ethnic backgrounds to think about the strength of Canada this week and to look up with appreciation at the Canadian flag on the standard flying outside this building. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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GNWT Staff Training Courses

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have had the opportunity to review the GNWT staff training courses calendar for 1996. I discovered that 88 courses will be available over a period of five months. Mr. Speaker, after reviewing this list of courses, I strongly question priorities set by our government.

Mr. Speaker, courses that are offered in high schools and in the first year of college and university -- such as working with basic IBM, Wordperfect 6.1 for Windows and Lotus 1, 2 and 3 -- will be offered to the employees this year. There are courses listed for employees who are interested in entering the enforcement area. I wonder if this is being offered so the government can recruit its own employees into the enforcement areas. I understand that this course was offered by Sir John Franklin High School to a student in 1994.

I became more baffled when I noticed that communication courses would be available to senior managers. This alone gives the impression that senior managers are hired without the necessary communication skills to perform their duties.

This government has never met its target of 50 per cent aboriginal hire. Based on that, anyone can assume that 50 per cent of public service employees taking any list of courses over the years could have been aboriginal employees. Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Finance stated in the last session that the deficit was due in large part to higher social program costs than budgeted for. According to the list of courses, social programs are also available to government employees.

Courses are available to help employees break out of their comfort zones and unworthy habits as well as for those wishing to live with increasing fulfilment and those who wish to feel more productive and less pressured. Mr. Speaker, I trust those who have contributed largely to the deficit may be the poor on social programs who use those courses that have been available to them.

Mr. Speaker and colleagues, for courses to be delivered, the government has to pay costs for newspaper advertisements of tenders for instructors, travel from destination points for employees and instructors alike, pay for accommodation costs and expenses...

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Rabesca ...(Microphone turned off)

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James Rabesca

North Slave

May I have the unanimous consent of my colleagues to continue speaking?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for North Slave is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement.

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, for courses to be delivered, the government has to pay the costs for newspaper advertisements of tenders for instructors, travel to and from destination for employees and instructors alike, pay for accommodation costs and expenses, printing of calendars, course fees, including salaries and benefits of the employees while they are on courses. Mr. Speaker, there is no way to measure whether the courses have been successful over the years because in order to do that one would have to find a way to determine if the employees acquired their skills in the workplace after completing the courses they have taken.

Mr. Speaker, I strongly feel that the government has not made strong enough efforts to provide adequate adult education or training programs, especially in the three outlying communities within the Dogrib region. We have to continue with the pilot projects but because they are so short term, there are no constructive ways for this government to determine the success of the short-term programs. Mr.

Speaker, I would suggest to the Department of Education that they eliminate the training courses for government employees in order to invest heavily where it is most needed, such as education and training programs for constituencies like mine that don't have enough adult education programs and courses.

Mr. Speaker, I feel training courses being offered to the public service employees have been a waste of public funds and no doubt help contribute to the deficit issues. The government must hire the best qualified individual to work with the people of the North and only those who are interested in retiring with us in our North. Mr. Speaker, we have been seen as living off social welfare and not contributing to society as a taxpayer. Only through the government's financial investment an education and adequate training programs and employee initiatives can we alter the grey lines on social welfare and not be seen as making devastating impact on the government's deficit problem.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I feel that the only way our people on social programs can help this government is if this government puts financial investment in our people so they can be in a better position to assist the government to eliminate the deficit problem. Later today, I will be providing the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment with several written questions on this subject. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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National Citizenship Week

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a while ago we raised the Canadian flag outside of this building. I participated in that and I was very pleased to do so. I am very proud to be a Canadian. The Canadian flag means a lot to me: that we are free citizens, that inside Canada we are free to move anywhere in Canada; that we have freedom of speech with regard to how we wish to be governed; we are free to express our ideas; and, we have the freedom of religion, of which there are many different ones in Canada.

I have travelled outside of Canada three times since I was born, Mr. Speaker, and every time I return to Canada, I am always very pleased to be back home. I'm always very thankful that I'm Canadian. Looking at the flag, I think of many cultures who live in Canada and how they can work together and cooperate with one another. I'm very pleased to live in Canada. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Proposed Rankin Inlet Tank Farm

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue I will speak on today is the proposed tank farm for

Rankin Inlet. Mr. Speaker, prior to Christmas in the first sitting of this House, I raised the concern and the fear that the residents and community leaders of my riding had regarding the Eastern Arctic resupply contract. I stated that I was requesting a detailed report to be presented to this House prior to any contracts being awarded. Mr. Speaker, included in my remarks, I asked for assurances from the Minister of Public Works that there would be no negative impact on the cost of living for the residents of my riding. Mr.

Speaker, in my statement I also said that any other related contracts that may be issued should not have a negative impact on my riding. Mr. Speaker, the Rankin Inlet tank farm is a related contract and it will have a major impact on the Kivallivik region.

Mr. Speaker, a few months have passed since I made this request. To this date, no consultation has occurred. It is only fair that I qualify the lack of consultation by stating that there was willingness on behalf of the Minister of Public Works and the Minister of Transportation to come to my riding, but unfortunately, due to poor weather and the cancellation of the Nunavut Leaders' Summit, this consultation did not take place. Mr.

Speaker, the bottom line here is that the consultation did not take place but still the government continues to move ahead and enter into negotiations against the wishes of the KRC, the Keewatin Regional Council, and the majority of the residents of the Kivallivik region. These negotiations involved the construction of a multi-million-dollar tank farm and also involved a 20 to 25-year lease on this project.

Mr. Speaker, I ask for support from my colleagues to continue.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Kivallivik is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? Conclude you statement, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was recently asked if I personally thought that the Rankin Inlet project was feasible and if I thought it would save government dollars. Mr. Speaker, my answer to that question is I really can't say at this time. That project could be the best deal since the invention of the honey bucket, but without being provided the details and accurate facts and figures, I can't offer an informed opinion.

Mr. Speaker, before I conclude my statement, I would ask the honourable Minister of DPW to give some further review and thoughts to the following key points: Does the Minister have the mandate to enter into a multi-million dollar contract for 20 to 25 years, in view of the fact that division is only three years away? Can the Minister state unconditionally that there will be a cost savings in view of the fact that it appears we have no firm capital cost that has been concluded and finalized? Mr. Speaker, it appears to me that it would be difficult to make this sort of a statement.

If you don't know what capital costs are associated with this project, how can you determine what the cost-savings are going to be? We don't know what the lease costs are for the project, at this time.

Can the Minister assure this House that when dry good costs rise, they will be subsidized for the long term and not just the short-term period of two years. What will be the amount of the subsidy? Mr. Speaker, can the Minister provide information to the fact that prices will not increase once the fuel is delivered or taken from the tank farm and delivered to the other eastern communities?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday the honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark , asked about the recent failures of the runway lighting system at the Gjoa Haven airport.

The existing lighting system has become unreliable and the department will remedy the situation immediately. Our small communities depend on reliable air transportation services and anything less is unacceptable.

I would like to tell the Member that the Department of Transportation has acquired a temporary replacement lighting system for the runway. The replacement system is being tested this week in Yellowknife and will be sent to Gjoa Haven next week for installation. The department expects to have this temporary replacement system installed and operational by the 1st of March.

By way of explanation, Mr. Speaker, the existing system was installed by Transport Canada in 1984 when the technical standards of the day did not require protective conduit for buried electrical cables. This protective conduit may not have been necessary in southern Canada, but with the freeze-thaw cycle in our northern locations, the standard has proven inadequate and caused many maintenance problems.

The Department of Transportation made repairs to the lighting system this past summer and hoped they would keep the system working a few more years until it could install a new airfield lighting system scheduled for 1998. Unfortunately, the system has deteriorated much faster this winter than the department had expected.

In any case, the department will install the new runway lighting system over the next two weeks. I certainly regret any inconvenience or distress the Member or his constituents may have experienced as a result of the recent lighting failures. I can assure him that the department will restore safe and reliable service at the airport as soon as is humanly possible. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mrs. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Tommy Enuaraq on February 14, 1996.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 22

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the honourable Member for Hay River , Mrs. Groenewegen , asked a question with regard to the subsidization policy on alcohol in the Northwest Territories on February 14, 1996.

Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories does not subsidize any of the costs associated with the transportation or distribution of liquor.

The retail price of liquor sold in communities varies, depending on what it actually costs to transport and distribute the liquor to that community.

For example, the same case of 12 bottles of a well-known brand of domestic beer would sell for $20.15 in Inuvik, for $18.05 in Hay River and for $21.55 in Iqaluit. These retail prices include the cost of the product itself, as well as transportation costs, distribution costs, bottle deposit fees, administrative costs and a flat mark-up for government revenue.

The government is very aware of the very legitimate concerns outlined in the

preamble to the honourable Member's question, with respect to social cost associated with the abuse of liquor products. The NWT Liquor Commission is committed to ensuring that its procedures and policies for the distribution and sale of liquor do not encourage the irresponsible or illegal use of alcoholic beverages in any way. As always, we would be pleased to receive input from honourable Members and from the northern public on ways in which our liquor control system can be improved. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to recognize today in the gallery the Deputy Commissioner of the RCMP, Frank Palmer, who is in charge of RCMP operations out of Ottawa. With him is Superintendent Bill Sweeney, who is in charge of criminal operations in "G" division and Chief Superintendent Mr. Grimmer, who is the commanding officer of "G" division. With them is Nora Sanders, the acting deputy minister of Justice.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Rabesca .

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize some students of the Native Women's Association, some of whom are from my constituency. I guess they are somewhere in the gallery.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a very famous person who appears in our living room every evening at 8:00 p.m.; Mr. George Tuccaro.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 17-13(2): Response To Igloolik's Petition For A Community Centre

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 22

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . We received a letter on January 24th and I'm sure the Minister received that letter. I got a copy from Igloolik. Back in February 1995, during the 12th Assembly, there was a petition that was sent to the Minister regarding a community centre in Igloolik. That particular Minister responded in April 1995 that that Minister would be able to provide a response. To date, the residents of Igloolik have not received a response. It was going to be included in the 1995 capital plans under the five-year plan, but apparently it is not included there.

I had a meeting with the Minister of MACA in February and she informed me that she was going to get her officials to check into it. To date, we still haven't heard a response. I wonder if the Minister can respond to my question. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mrs. Thompson .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the budget is not completed at this time, to date we're not sure how it's going to be. Once we find out about our budget, I'll be able to get back to Mr. Evaloarjuk 's

question. I apologize for not responding sooner than we said we would. As soon as we find out about our budget, the request and the priorities set for his community will be worked on with him. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister responsible for Public Works . Maybe I should wait until the honourable Member returns.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I want to remind the Members that if a Member is missing in the House, you cannot make reference to that. You can direct the question to the Minister who is responsible for it, or maybe redirect it. Go ahead, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will direct the question to the now-returning Minister of Public Works .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Again, I have to say that you're out of order. It's unparliamentary to make reference to the absence of a Member in the House, whether it's the Ministers who are doing it or ordinary Members who are doing it. It is against the rules to make reference to a Member who is absent in the House.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Pardon me, Mr. Speaker, I didn't realize that the honourable Minister was absent from the House.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I still am hearing from here the Member making reference to a Member being absent in the House. I just finished telling the Member that it is against the rules to make reference to any Member who is absent from this House. Mr. O'Brien , oral questions.

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Question 18-13(2): Proposed Rankin Inlet Tank Farm

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 23

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

My apologies, Mr. Speaker, and also to the honourable Minister. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Public Works ; it involves the construction of the tank farm in Rankin Inlet. I'm asking the Minister if he can provide to this House information regarding the environmental impact study, the terms of reference for this study and also a breakdown of how these savings are going to be achieved once this tank farm is constructed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, previously through Caucus I had told Members that we would be providing background information today. That will be provided. This will help Members to become familiar with all aspects of the project in preparation for the detailed briefing on February 22nd.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. O'Brien , supplementary.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is it possible that this information as background can be discussed here in this House? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Again, Mr. O'Brien , it's a hypothetical question. The Minister and none of the Members have the material necessary to respond in the House, so I must rule the question out of order.

---Ruled Out of Order

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 19-13(2): Costs For Transfer Of Nunatta Campus Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 23

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I asked the Minister of Education about the transfer of programs from Nunatta Campus of Nunavut Arctic College. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister of Education provide to this House a breakdown on the cost to transfer these programs, including the cost of student married accommodations, impact of student travel costs, and the administration costs before the program transfer are implemented? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I responded to the Member yesterday, I have asked the college to demonstrate how it intends to meet the costs of program relocation and to provide that information in detail to my office by March 31st. After having that information, I will certainly be prepared to share it with the Member.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

That wasn't my question. My question was if the Minister was prepared to table that information in the House. The reason for my question, of course, is that public money spent by this government should be available to the public. I appreciate the information coming to me, personally, but I would like to have that information tabled in this House for the public to see these costs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I don't have that information right now. As I said, the information is to be available to my office by March 31st. Following that date, if the Member wishes to raise the issue in the House, I would be prepared to respond so that it becomes part of the public forum. It has to be remembered that the purpose of these public funds is to provide a regional fairness and balance in the programs that this government or college provides.

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Hear! Hear!

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

So the reason for the program relocation is to ensure that college programs are available across Nunavut.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, having been an employee of Arctic College from 1987 to 1992, I am fully aware of the philosophy behind the college. Mr. Speaker, again I have to reiterate that I am not against the decentralization of college programs if it makes administrative, logistical and financial sense to do so. Mr. Speaker, this House keeps talking about financial cutbacks, reductions and lay-offs, yet we continue on to spend $1.30 to liberate $1. Mr. Speaker, this is not the issue. The issue is the cost of the decentralization of programs. Mr. Speaker, the cost has not been proven to me.

Has the Minister looked at the transfer of programs that are currently being offered in the West and having those programs devolved to Nunavut instead of transferring programs within Nunavut to other campuses?

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I would like to remind Members when you are directing questions to Ministers that you limit it to one question and not a multiple of questions. Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the distribution of programs is something that is always under consideration by the colleges and where they are being offered. The goal is to ensure that there is equity of access as much as can be offered across the Northwest Territories. We have a complicating issue, which is our fiscal climate at this point in time. There is no new money. The question of whether or not we are going to add programs in, changing the East/West balance, I can't commit to doing that.

I can commit to say we will continue to examine where programs are offered, where they are most needed and where we have the most students who can take advantage of it. We will ensure that we do our best, given today's fiscal climate, to provide reasonable equity of access.

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Samuel Gargan

Final supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am very pleased to hear the Minister say that. My final supplementary question is, is the Minister aware that transferring the management training and social services programs will leave the new capital of Nunavut without programs essential for the capital. Because the impact of social change due to forced growth of being the capital, Mr. Speaker, we all realize that Iqaluit has the biggest social changes as the new capital. With these transfers, we will not have the programs to train our people to deal with them. Has the Minister asked the board to look at this?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister seems to be implying that people cannot be trained in different regions. In the West, we have courses that are offered in Inuvik that aren't offered in the other two campuses. We have courses that are offered in Fort Smith that are not offered in the other two campuses. The regional balance of programming doesn't necessarily mean that all programs are offered at one campus. We have to be willing to make sure that students can be allowed to attend courses at various places. That will take place.

Added to that, with division taking place, there is tremendous potential for Nunatta Arctic College to pick up on third-party training. The Iqaluit campus is strategically located to maximize the third party paying for extra training opportunities. The college has a good history across the Northwest Territories of seeking out third-party funding to offer courses. I am confident that the Iqaluit campus will not see a dramatic slow-down in the number of courses offered or a dramatic drop-off in students. I am confident that the college will be out there looking for partners to make sure there are still a lot of quality programs offered at that campus. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 20-13(2): Advancement Of Maintenance Garage Project In Pangnirtung

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During my Member's statement, I mentioned that I would raise a question to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . Can the maintenance garage project that the hamlet of Pangnirtung requested be moved a year earlier? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mrs. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will get more information and take that question as notice. I will respond to him later. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 21-13(2): Dust Control Problem In Gjoa Haven

Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. My question is directed to the honourable Minister for Public Works and Services . It is regarding the concern in Gjoa Haven. Every summer, Mr. Speaker, Gjoa Haven experiences a build-up of dust in the community. I met with the hamlet council of Gjoa Haven about three weeks ago. They have indicated to me that the dust build-up is a health hazard. Secondly, the dust is getting into equipment and vehicles, so subsequently there is wear and tear which can be very costly to the community and to the government.

My question is, will the honourable Minister look into the matter before the summer of 1996 and communicate with Gjoa Haven on what can be done to resolve the problem?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the problem of dust control is something that occurs in many of the communities in Nunavut simply because most of the communities, or practically all of the communities, don't have paved roads.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Except for Rankin.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

I will look into the matter. I'm not sure what can be done. As everyone knows, we don't have any new monies, as was said earlier. However, I would be pleased to look into it.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister. The Minister has indicated to the House that the problem is not unique to Gjoa Haven but is a problem across the Territories. I believe that the problem is unique to Gjoa Haven. For one thing, the community is situated on sand and secondly, the minerals, the rocks around the community are soft white-coloured rocks and I believe there are, in fact, impurities in the stone. I ask the Minister to look at the situation seriously and get back to the community. Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said before, I will be in contact with the community to see what can be done.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 22-13(2): Departmental Position On Chiropractic Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services . I would like to ask the Minister, if he would be so kind, to give his department's position on the practice of chiropractic, which I'm aware is practised in the Northwest Territories but I don't think has any real legal standing. I think its an area of potential benefit to the North. I would like the Minister to give his department's position. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member is correct that chiropractic isn't currently recognized under any legislation in the Northwest Territories. I am aware of certain chiropractors that are pursuing with the department, having their services covered to be eligible to be paid under our health care services. At this stage, Mr. Speaker, I'm aware of it as well as some possible legislated changes required to allow for midwifery, to allow for traditional aboriginal healing practices, and possibly things such as physio-therapy.

I am willing to take a look at chiropractic services over the course of the coming year to see whether or not we can include them as insured services, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to thank the Minister for his very positive reply. I have one supplementary question and that's with regard to a possible liability given the lack of legal standing. Are we also, in relation to that possible dilemma, in any of kind of dilemma due to the fact that I believe WCB makes use of services and I believe it's covered under GSMIP, which is part of the government's benefit package? So, we're making access to a service that for all intents and purposes, has no legal standing. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm not positive about the liability aspect of chiropractic services at this stage. I will check into the matter and get back to the Member. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 23-13(2): Competitions Advertised For Deputy Ministers

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is addressed to the Premier . Considering that the government has been considering the amalgamation of a number of government departments for the past several months and considering that this would likely cause a redundancy of deputy ministers in our government who have to be compassionately treated, as all staff -- using the words of the government and the Premier -- why did the Executive Council publish a public competition for two deputy minister positions in the January 27th and 31st issues of southern issues and the News North?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The honourable Premier , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's very normal to advertise for positions in this government, especially senior management positions. We're looking to find out who's out there, who's interested, and who would like to come to work for this government. We do that by advertising in the paper and, hopefully, we'll get some good applications. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Considering the sensitivity of our employees are under these days with lay-offs and so forth, I feel that this sends a message out to the employees that they're not qualified for these types of positions. Additionally, this is an extra expenditure to this government. I would like assurance from the Premier that this will not occur again for the morale of our staff. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Existing deputy ministers, I would encourage them to apply for these positions; they can apply just like anyone else. I cannot assure the Member that advertisements to fill senior management jobs won't be in papers in the future. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm wondering what value the Premier places on our present employees? I certainly wouldn't look to the outside to hire employees when we have a very efficient staff within the GNWT to take any one of these positions; there are many, many people there. We're looking at lay-offs and with amalgamation of three departments, there must be redundancy there. I would like assurances -- and I would ask the question again -- I would like assurances that first priority be given to our existing staff considering the lay-offs. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 26

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me assure the Member that I do respect and I do value the services of the deputy ministers of this government. But let me also assure him that they will be given due consideration if they do apply. There will be times in the future of this government that we will have to advertise or we will look for people that are not within the existing ranks of government to do specific jobs, so I cannot assure the Member that he will not see any more advertisements, as such, in newspapers. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 24-13(2): Environmental Study Re Rankin Inlet Tank Farm

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 26

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I direct my question to the Minister of Public Works . I will try to come at this question from a different angle this time. Can the Minister tell me whether or not an environmental study has been commissioned or started for the Rankin Inlet tank farm project?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, at this time there are several initiatives that are related to this project including terms of reference on how the project will be completed. Included in those are issues that he raised, including an environmental assessment. It has not been done to date. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm going to make an assumption that the Minister is stating that an environmental study, a review, has been initiated. I'm asking the Minister at this point in time, if he's willing to table at least the terms of reference for the environmental impact study regarding this particular project? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I don't have the information on hand. I will take this question as notice.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 25-13(2): Timetable For Construction Of Clyde River Arena

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 27

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further to the comments made to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs regarding the skating rink in Clyde River, the response received was that the 1997-98 fiscal year plan included that project and that was the scheduled timetable. This was discussed by the residents in Clyde River, Mr. Speaker, and they said they want to see this project begin in the 1996-97 fiscal year. The response was that it is too slow for the people in Clyde River and they would like to see this project forwarded a year ahead of schedule. Can you revisit this concern within your department? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 27

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mrs. Thompson .

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Page 27

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Currently, with the budget not defined at this time, it is difficult to predict what will be scheduled for the communities. We do want to include consideration of their priorities, including the budget that was planned for their community. I can sit down with the MLA and discuss their priorities, as well as with the residents of Clyde River so they can start receiving block funding that was being discussed yesterday by the Premier in his sessional statement. That is what I can say at this time. Without the budget being defined, it's difficult to go anywhere beyond that at this time. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 26-13(2): Annual Mackenzie Bison Hunt Regulations

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 27

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi . I would like assurances that no changes have been made to the current regulations regarding the annual Mackenzie bison hunt for this current year. Also, that no changes will be made to those regulations without all northerners having the opportunity to have input into the process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 27

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi . That was two questions.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Presently we have been having some discussion or are about to initiate discussions with the people in the Fort Providence area as well as the Dogrib communities to review the regulations that govern access to bison on those particular areas. We are contemplating possible changes to regulation. We would be in a position, probably, to suggest that they would not be immediate; that is, they would not take immediate effect.

While I can't suggest that all people of the Northwest Territories are even interest in having input into regulations governing bison hunting and access to bison, I would be very interested in hearing suggestions from the Member should he have suggestions now or in the future about how we could allow for public input into changes to regulation or draft regulation, should we propose them. I would be prepared to consider how we can provide, for instance, the public of Yellowknife and perhaps the Deh Cho and other areas that would be interested in having input in these types of regulations. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, my question is to Mr. Kakfwi . I'm not sure whether I heard you saying that we could anticipate no changes to this hunting season. I believe I heard you saying that. If you could clarify the accuracy of that.

Also, as a suggestion for input, the communities of Ndilo, Rae and local communities in this particular area including Yellowknife, I would suggest running an advertisement in the newspaper, having a public meeting with your officials to have input to find out from your department officials what areas they are presently working on and what they would be proposing to make changes to. If I could have an answer to at least your comments earlier. I had understood you had said there would be no changes to the hunting regulations for this hunting season. Can you clarify that? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 27

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When we speak of changes to regulation, very often the discussions also centre around when they should come into effect. So I give assurance to the Member that we will provide for some reasonable input by the general public in this vicinity, in his case, to changes to regulation. That would also include suggestions as to when and if there will be changes to regulation and when they will take effect. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 27-13(2): Possible Remedies Re Skyline Cable Systems

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 28

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice and it's with regard to a company: Skyline Personal Cable Systems; a company of dubious character that came skulking into the North a number of months ago selling illegal cable systems to the people, about 120 or so who have been out of pocket now for a number of months, often to the tune of $2,000 each. Of course, this company has since gone back south from whence they came, unfortunately taking a bunch of money from unsuspecting northerners who acted in good faith.

I appreciate the information the Minister has provided to date, but I would appreciate if the Minister could indicate to the House what could be done, what sort of redress do these northerners have in terms of possibly getting their money back and seeing justice done. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the suggestion is that there doesn't appear to be any wrongdoing on the part of this certain company; no criminal wrongdoing. However, there could be some suggestion that people who have come into contact with them and who have suffered as a result of any business they've done with them should get some advice from consumer and corporate affairs or else seek legal counsel. At this time, I would not be prepared as the Minister of Justice to provide any further direction other than that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The constituents who I've talked to find it very hard to understand why something that is if not illegal, so borderline illegal, would not be addressed.

Whereas, we have no problem if somebody steals a can of tuna, we will send him to jail for 30 days. This kind of white collar activity cannot get prosecuted and people can't see justice done. I would ask the Minister if he would possibly reconsider asking his officials to be a little more enthusiastic in their attempt to contact officials in Calgary, where this company came from. If they have done it up here, they have done it to others. It just seems too easy to say we can't do anything. They can rob and pillage us within the fine line of the law and can get away with it.

I would ask the Minister if he would reconsider asking his officials to contact the authorities to see whether they could coordinate an attempt to bring these individuals to some sort of justice. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure how much further we can go. The people of Smith are citizens of the Northwest Territories, the same as everyone else, and we do share a concern. Unscrupulous companies and business people are being perceived as going out to do some harm to the well-being of citizens. In this case, the business transactions are not of a criminal nature. It is more in the area of whether or not, as consumers, they have been sold a bag of goods that isn't worth the amount of money that has been transacted.

Consumer affairs may be the best route to pursue because these are individual complaints about a business transaction. They should seek legal counsel. At this time, we do not perceive it as an interest of the Government of the Northwest Territories to engage the Department of Justice, besides the briefing note that we had shared with the Member for Thebacha .

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 28-13(2): Streamlining Ui And Social Assistance To Assist In Upgrading

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 28

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education with regard to the problem of individuals receiving UI and then they want to better themselves by attending programs through Arctic College. There seems that there is a problem when you try to move ahead to get the skills to go into other areas and get off UI/social assistance. It seems like there is a real barrier there for individuals who want to move ahead. They either get cut off of UI or they are put in the situation where they have to go back to Social Services and go through that system.

There is no clear direction that has been spelled out to simplify a lot of these problems that we have a lot of our clients running into. They make an attempt to better their lives by getting educated and moving into a sector in the workforce. Unemployment is high in the smaller communities and usually the UI process takes so long to get to begin with, by the time you are in the system, you are looking at a few months down the road.

I wonder if the department has made an attempt to look at streamlining with the federal government with regard to social assistance, UI and the Department of Education so it isn't so difficult. That way they wouldn't be penalized for making an attempt to proceed to move ahead in life. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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