Debates of Jan. 23rd, 1997

This is page numbers 157 - 188 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was community .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Education Week

Protected Areas Strategy For The Nwt

Tobacco Revenues

Absence From The House To Attend The Canadian Presiding Officers' Conference

Housing Shortages In Smaller Communities

Nunavut Revenue Generation Initiatives

Difficulties Experienced By Constituents In Receiving Social Assistance Payments

Concerns Regarding The Implementation Of Community Empowerment Initiatives

Meeting In Fort Smith To Discuss The Mackenzie River Basin

Funding For Alcohol And Drug Treatment Facilities

Restructuring Of The NWT Liquor Licensing Board

Successful Yellowknife Businessman Ronnie Hauck

Gjoa Haven Student Exchange Program

Concerns With Federal Government Proposal For A New Mining Royalties Regime

Relocation Of The Keewatin Health And Social Services Regional Office

Return To Oral Question 66-13(4): New Education Act

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Housing Shortages In Clyde River

Impact Of Reductions Made To The Water And Sewage Services Subsidy Policy

Tobacco Revenues

Decision To Replace The Chair Of The Liquor Licensing Board

Decision To Replace The Chair Of The Liquor Licensing Board

Safety Concerns Regarding Highway No. 3 Between Yellowknife And Rae

Fungal Contamination Of Fuel Oil

Policy On Mid-winter Evictions

Social Worker Vacancy In Arctic Bay

Internet Service In Smaller Communities

Process For Advertising Sessional Business

Meeting In Fort Smith Regarding The Mackenzie River Water Basin

Funding For Alcohol And Drug Programs

Safety Concerns Regarding Truck Traffic On The Ingraham Trail

Clyde River Housing Vacancies

Status Of Negotiations With The Nwtta

Action Plan For Division Decisions

Revenue Generation Through Taxes On Gambling

Revenue From The Sale Of Alcohol

Update On Northern Employment Strategy

Dispute Resolution On Division Issues

Responsiveness Of The Federal Government On Division

Recruiting For A Senior Position

Item 10: Petitions

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable John Todd , Honourable Manitok Thompson

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God, we ask for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 157

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 26-13(4): Education Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Merci, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as Members are no doubt aware, this week we are celebrating Education Week in the Northwest Territories. The purpose of Education Week is to increase the public's understanding of the importance of education, and to highlight the work of education bodies and schools in providing high-quality education for NWT students. To stress the important link between the education system and the community, this year's theme is Education - A Community Partnership.

Today, I want to highlight a few of the many Education Week activities taking place across the Territories.

Moose Kerr School in Aklavik has a full

schedule of events planned. Students have invited the community to a fish bake and will hold drum dance demonstrations throughout the week. One class has made placemats on the value of education, and donated them to a local cafe.

To help people in Inuvik understand the links between the community and the education system, activities have included a scavenger hunt that took participants to the offices of nine organizations which are partners in education.

There are many activities in the Sahtu region also, including a science fair at Chief T'Selihye School in Fort Good Hope, parent and child sessions at the Computer Club at Chief Albert Wright School in Tulita, a speech about the importance of staying in school by a representative of the Department of National Defence in Norman Wells, photo day for students and families at Colville Lake School, and a radio phone-in program on education partnerships in Deline.

The Chief Sunrise Education Centre on the Hay River Reserve and Joseph Burr Tyrrell School in Fort Smith are focusing on reading throughout this week. The principal of Deninoo School in Fort Resolution will give a public presentation on empowering the community in education.

Students in Arviat have a number of assignments planned that encourage them to think about things they learn at home and in the community.

Mr. Speaker, the whole community is a place of learning. People in the communities are the ones who should create a vision for learning and make decisions about it. Education Week is an excellent opportunity for people to learn more about education programs in their community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 26-13(4): Education Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 157

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 27-13(4): Protected Areas Strategy For The Nwt

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On August 8, 1996, the Premier and the federal Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development announced a joint commitment to develop a Protected Areas Strategy for the NWT by the end of 1998.

The people of the north have expressed a need for a balance between conservation and development. Finding this balance is perhaps the most critical task facing the new Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development. We need a strong economy to support and provide opportunities for all our people. However, we also need to identify and protect a range of representative and unique natural areas. Protecting these areas is important to maintaining biodiversity, and the rich natural and cultural values which contribute to our quality of life.

This government has accepted the challenge of leading the process of developing a Protected Areas Strategy. We will work cooperatively with the federal government, aboriginal organizations, land claimant boards, environmental representatives, the mineral, oil and gas sector as well as commercial fishing, tourism and forestry interests. Communities and the public will also have an important role to play.

Mr. Speaker, in an effort to begin to develop these partnerships, I have invited groups to a conference in Inuvik during the first week of March. The purpose of this conference is to establish a cooperative approach to developing a strategy. At this stage we need to hear from many different voices and we need to provide a forum for these voices to hear each other and to find common understanding. For the strategy to be successful in defining natural areas which northerners most value, people must work together.

The NWT is in a strong position. We have an advantage over every other jurisdiction in Canada, as most of the Northwest Territories remain undeveloped. We have the unique opportunity of combining scientific and traditional knowledge.

Mr. Speaker, the development of a Protected Areas Strategy will be a lasting contribution from this government to the people of the north and Canada. I look forward to a successful and productive conference in Inuvik. Mahsi.

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Minister's Statement 27-13(4): Protected Areas Strategy For The Nwt

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Ministers' statements. Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Tobacco Revenues

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today, I would like to make a statement in response to the statement made by the Minister of Health yesterday, on Weedless Wednesday. Mr. Speaker, I think the statement made by the Minister is very good. It addresses the problems we have with our children picking up the habit of smoking. I do not condone this habit, and I encourage children in my area not to smoke when I see them doing it, particularly my own kids. Mr. Speaker, this is a very good thing that we encourage the children not to smoke, but like everything else, those of us that do it know better than anybody else the results of this habit, and how hard it is to break this habit.

Yesterday, Mr. Speaker, the Minister identified that it cost society a lot of money in social and health problems in relation to smoking. Today, at the appropriate time, I will be asking the Minister of Finance to identify the benefits of smoking, because like everything else there are two sides to a coin. I will be asking him to identify the amount of money and the amount of revenue that is received in taxes from those who do have the habit. Perhaps, Mr. Speaker, he could address just what he is doing for the benefit of those who smoke, from this money that they get from us.

I would also like to point out at this time that, like a Weedless Wednesday, perhaps there should be a Weedful Thursday. Thank you.

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Tobacco Revenues

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Steen . Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Absence From The House To Attend The Canadian Presiding Officers' Conference

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to advise the House that I will not be in attendance in the House tomorrow. I will be leaving this evening to attend the 14th Canadian Presiding Officers Conference in Edmonton, Alberta on behalf of the Speaker, the Honourable Sam Gargan, who will stay here to fulfil his commitments in the Speaker's chair tomorrow. I have never been to a Presiding Officers Conference, but there will be business sessions.

So, just so you do not think I am going there for a holiday, I will tell you what some of the business sessions are entitled, Management of Question Period, Relations between Speakers and Deputy Speakers, Development and Jurisdictions, on which I will be giving a report on the developments in our jurisdiction, Outreach Programs and Educational Initiatives by the House. There will be a round table on the outreach programs, and then I will be chairing a business session entitled, Designation of the Official Opposition and the presenter for that will be the Clerk from the Yukon.

I am looking forward to this and will report back to the House, but that is the reason for my absence tomorrow. This is a close-by conference. I must say that there was one in Malaysia, Fredericton, New Brunswick and quite a number of locations. This is a much less exotic destination, but I am pleased to attend on behalf of the House. Thank you.

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Absence From The House To Attend The Canadian Presiding Officers' Conference

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . I wish you a safe trip. Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Housing Shortages In Smaller Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My colleagues, I just wanted to make a statement regarding the lack of housing in our communities. For example, in my community in Clyde River, our bad housing situation is so obvious. Presently, the CBC had something on the air and also on the Northbeat, regarding the housing situation. What the program was showing, is based on the true facts about the housing problems. Last time when I was in my community in Clyde River, just recently, some families in their homes, for example, have 18 people in one household.

If I were to visit one of my neighbours, I would see some families living in their house and the children would sleep on the floor because they are lacking rooms such as bedrooms. If we were to go to Clyde River to look at the little houses called matchboxes, they are still in existence. They were built in the early 1960s, when I was a child, and they are still in existence. They should not be in existence any more. Although they are very scarce in our area in Clyde River, they are still in existence. The problems with our housing, they cause numerous social, family problems and so on.

There are numerous problems, and I would like to address some my concerns with our Minister for Housing a little later on. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Housing Shortages In Smaller Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Nunavut Revenue Generation Initiatives

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier in this House, I spoke about the continued reliance of this government on federal funds to operate our government. Approximately, 82 cents of every dollar spent by this government comes directly or indirectly from the federal government. On April 1, 1999, and beyond, the new government of Nunavut will be at about 98 cents of every dollar spent coming from the federal government. Mr. Speaker, this may seem at first to be pessimistic, but it need not be.

The elected officials in Nunavut will have to explore new areas to bring new monies and new revenue generating possibilities. That is why I wrote several letters before Christmas to NTI, our MP Jack Anawak, and met with officials in Ottawa in November. I am pleased that three of my suggestions are now beginning to take off.

The Nunavut stamp idea has been brought forward to the Canada Post Corporation, the Nunavut coin has been forwarded on to the Honourable Diane Marlow in Ottawa, and the Premier of the Northwest Territories recently wrote to encourage and support the idea of declaring 1999 the year of Nunavut. This was followed by meetings I had with the heritage officials in Ottawa.

Mr. Speaker, these ideas are beginning to take fruit, and new revenue streams are about to come into Nunavut. In Iqaluit, over the past several months, we have been continuing to work on our cold weather testing facility and enhancing the airport's ability to be marketed, in order to generate jobs and revenue to benefit our residents. We have to be pro-active in our approaches to developing new markets for our renewable resources such as fish, caribou, and seal products. The opportunity for further exploration and mineral finds seems to be very positive.

Fur prices have never been higher this decade, yet fewer people are trapping. We should be looking at ways to have hunters and trappers encouraged to expand this area. A tax could be introduced on gambling or games of chance winnings. I will be asking the Minister of Finance about these areas later.

Mr. Speaker, while today, and maybe tomorrow, we will be in the throes of deficit reduction and lay-offs, we have to look for alternatives to our current situation. We have to pay today, for the largesse of previous governments and expenditures. Mr. Speaker, we have to offer the people of the Northwest Territories more than just lay-offs and cut-backs. That is not the legacy the 13th Assembly wants to be remembered for. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Nunavut Revenue Generation Initiatives

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Difficulties Experienced By Constituents In Receiving Social Assistance Payments

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also have concerns directed to social services. There are social service recipients who have not received any assistance since December. Arctic Bay has requested for social service recipients to be continued in their community, because it is continued in some Baffin communities. Later on today I will be asking a question to the Minister responsible for Social Services , regarding this issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Difficulties Experienced By Constituents In Receiving Social Assistance Payments

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Concerns Regarding The Implementation Of Community Empowerment Initiatives

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is in regards to the whole idea of community empowerment and also the accountability of communities. Right now, I find in my constituency, a real problem, especially in the cuts that have been put forth in regards to reductions to the water and sewage program. In one case, in the case of Aklavik, they were cut by $70,000. In Fort McPherson by $75,000. Those incidents are affecting, not only the municipalities to deal with their deficits, but also to try and get out of them. It is also affecting my constituents in regards to delivery of these important services.

In the case of Arctic Red where you have 10 individuals living in a home, having water delivered twice a week is a little bit rash, considering all the water we have in the north. I think that these type of incidents should not have to occur, especially in this age, and also with the resources that we have. In some cases, it is not exactly perfect drinking water, but we have to live with it. I will be asking the Minister later regarding letters that have been sent to her on behalf of the Municipal Councils in Aklavik, McPherson, and Tsiigehtchic, in regards to this problem that has arisen through the cuts to that program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Concerns Regarding The Implementation Of Community Empowerment Initiatives

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Meeting In Fort Smith To Discuss The Mackenzie River Basin

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, in Fort Smith, there was a very informative community meeting held with people from a number of communities as well as four different jurisdictions: British Columbia, Alberta, the federal government, and, of course, the Northwest Territories. The issue had to deal with water and the fact that the western Arctic is the ultimate downstream jurisdiction, affected directly by the decisions of our neighbours in British Columbia, Alberta, and Saskatchewan. It was very clear that there was a significant impact by what is happening with the Bennett Dam. In addition, we found out there were record high snow falls and rainfalls last year.

To me, as an MLA, one of the biggest concerns was the very clear lack of coordination among the jurisdictions. When we got in that room for the meeting, it was the first time some of those officials had seen each other from the different jurisdictions or talked to each other, even though they are directly involved in the same kind of work in measuring and evaluating the same type of water systems. I am hoping that out of this meeting will come a method that we can have coordination of information so that there is warning of any changes to the river systems.

I am hoping that the Minister for RWED will be able to work with his officials to push the other jurisdictions to develop a daily working relationship. In the long term, at the political level, we have to continue to pressure the British Columbia government to sign the MacKenzie River Basin Master Agreement. The GNWT has signed it, as has Alberta, and it needs B.C.'s signature so that we can move ahead on these critical issues related to water and the affect that they have throughout the land. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Meeting In Fort Smith To Discuss The Mackenzie River Basin

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Funding For Alcohol And Drug Treatment Facilities

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Honourable colleagues, I rise today again on the issue of funding for four alcohol and drug treatment facilities, and I refer to the way this government operates. The more things change, the more they seem to stay the same. I came here thinking of change, and although on the outside it seems we have made great strides in change, I have just come across some information that makes me feel like I have not been here for a year yet. It is like I have come back into the House for the first time to argue the same points. We have changed many of the departments. We have 10 departments, Mr. Speaker. Yet, we have the

equivalent of 17 or 18 D.M. level staff, deputy minister level staff. I would say for 10 departments and so many deputy ministers level personnel, are we really changing things, or are we covering them up? I could see a number of those positions being deleted, so to speak. Instead of helping a few, we would help many. I feel a few of those positions might fund Delta House. I would say, Mr. Speaker, as a government and as elected Members of this Assembly, we seriously have to take a look at what we are doing. Are we making change, or are we just changing the colour of the paper?

I think we need to have a look at that. I am going to be questioning later on, hopefully I can get a few questions in, to a number of Ministers on the concern of financing of the drug and alcohol treatment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Restructuring Of The NWT Liquor Licensing Board

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, across the NWT, there are a number of government boards in place. These boards help ensure that programs and services are operating as per the legislation approved act and guidelines. One of these is the NWT Liquor Licensing Board. In the past, this board has had up to nine members. I, myself, sat as a member of this board. Last year, in September, the Standing Committee on Resource Management suggested this board could be as effective with fewer members. The government agreed, and has taken the move to reduce the board to five members.

Mr. Speaker, I support the effort to be more efficient. However, I am concerned about how this action has taken place. I have expressed my concerns to Mr. Antoine and received some answers. Unfortunately, the answers I received did not relieve my misgiving about how the board was restructured. There was a commitment in the restructuring to ensure that one of the five seats was still held by a Yellowknife representative. While this representation is far less than the three out of the nine under the old board system, it gives some recognition of the large number of liquor establishments in this city.

In any organization, it is nice to have fresh ideas, however, it is always useful to have some continuity of service as well. I find it disturbing that the Minister decided to replace the entire board, even though he indicated that the three Yellowknife members on the board were highly qualified and motivated. It seems to be a case of taking the easy way out, rather than making the hard decision between some fairly qualified people who have worked hard to fulfil their duties.

I find it particularly difficult to understand why the Minister did not give some consideration to at least keeping the chairman on until the end of his term, one year from now. After admitting that the chairman was a hard working efficient and dedicated individual, instead, the Minister swept this competent individual out in a way which mistakenly left the public impression that there was some problem with his chairmanship.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Henry , time is up.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I request unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do I have any nays? You have no nays. You have unanimous consent.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The former chairman did a very good job during his term. He would have provided the Yellowknife representation that the Minister wants and would have brought continuity to the board. Mr. Speaker, I am sure that a new board will do a good job, however, if we want to be able to attract the best people to these types of positions, we need to be more considerate in how we treat them and deal with their re-appointment. Later on today, Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for Mr. Antoine in this regard. Thank you.

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Restructuring Of The NWT Liquor Licensing Board

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 160

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Successful Yellowknife Businessman Ronnie Hauck

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 160

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we often hear about the roads, the eye glasses, division, and many other such areas. This session I also hope to talk a bit about some of the people in my community who are making a difference. Today, I want to talk about a success story. The success story is about a small business which is providing a service in our community. It is about a young man who has achieved success despite personal challenges. Mr. Speaker, most Yellowknifers know Ronnie Hauck. He is the friendly operator of his own delivery business called Ron's Independent Courier Service.

In fact, Ron delivers mail here every day. I understand the Minister of Finance helped Ron get his business started two years ago. Mr. Hauck is a mentally challenged gentleman who has had the support from many, including the Association for Community Living and his hard working mom.

Ron has achieved success because he is very serious about what he does. He provides good service to his customers, he is reliable, responsible and he is always friendly. In fact, he stops to talk to you and to see how you are doing. As a government, we talk about helping people to help themselves. Mr. Hauck is an example of what people can achieve with support systems, which allow them to maximize their potential.

I wish him continued success in this business. I also hope we can keep in place the types of support systems that helped Mr. Hauck to become a successful businessman.

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Successful Yellowknife Businessman Ronnie Hauck

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Gjoa Haven Student Exchange Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 160

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it has been brought to my attention that 10 students at the Tsiigehtchic Hamlet in Gjoa Haven have been chosen to go on a student exchange this March to Oakville, Ontario. Then in April, 10 students of Oakville will have the occasion to visit Gjoa Haven. Students and staff involved with this exchange are very excited about the opportunity to travel to southern Canada to learn and share about each other, to teach them about the Inuit culture. The Gjoa Haven students plan to take

the visitors out on the land, as well as demonstrating cultural games and events throughout the week-long visit in Gjoa Haven. Although this exchange is made possible with generous sponsorship of Vision Canada, the students need to raise an additional $3,000. The students are asking for support for any contribution towards this enlightening exchange. It would be greatly appreciated, Mr. Speaker, if anyone or any organization would support this exchange and we look forward to receiving a contribution. I think the visit is beneficial to both, to learn about the two different cultures. Thank you.

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Page 161

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Concerns With Federal Government Proposal For A New Mining Royalties Regime

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 161

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I made a statement in the House before Christmas on the federal government's proposal to raise mining royalties in the NWT. I would like to follow up on those comments today. Let me begin with a quick recap. The Northern Affairs Department has released a discussion paper which says the current royalty regime is unclear and produces revenues that fall below international standards. The department wants to clarify the rules and increase the government's income from mining.

To do this, it has proposed a royalty increase. The higher rates are offset somewhat by a flexible system of allowances that help companies lower their royalty burden in given years. Mr. Speaker, the discussion paper presents a rational proposal if it is taken in isolation. However, it is unclear to me whether it gives due consideration to the overall cost of mining in the north. I am mostly concerned with how the proposals will effect future projects.

Let me give you an example. The discussion paper recommends ending the three year royalty holiday for new mines. This will raise costs during critical start-up years. At the same time, new federal environmental review rules shift more of the costs of the approval process to the companies that propose projects. Is it possible that the end of the royalty holiday, coupled with new environmental review expenses, could act as a disincentive to development? Companies could use their various allowances to keep start-up costs low, but what is left for the future when markets slump, or other costs go up?

During this Session, I will be writing to Northern Affairs with details of my concerns and questions. I look forward to reporting the department's reply to this House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 161

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Relocation Of The Keewatin Health And Social Services Regional Office

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 161

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I received written confirmation from Mr. Ng that the community of Baker Lake has lost its status of being the regional office for Social Services for the Keewatin region. Mr. Speaker, five employees have been transferred to Rankin Inlet, which will become the new home of the regional office.

Mr. Speaker, no consultation took place with the community by the health board regarding these extreme measures. Mr. Speaker, how can this be justified in light of the fact that this community suffers from between 75 and 85 percent unemployment and the other community has an unemployment rate of 18 percent? Mr. Speaker, the point I am making is, when we talk about community empowerment, this flies directly in the face of the process that we are trying to put forth. Mr. Speaker, I have some very serious reservations about the process and how it is being delivered. Thank you.

-- Applause

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Relocation Of The Keewatin Health And Social Services Regional Office

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 161

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Dent .

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Return To Oral Question 66-13(4): New Education Act

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 161

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a reply to a question asked by Mr. Evaloarjuk on January 21, 1997, regarding the Education Act. Mr. Speaker, The Education Act came into force on July 1, 1996 after an extensive consultation process.

Community Education Councils were renamed and are now called District Education Authorities. Members of these District Education Authorities are now elected at the same time as elections are held for the governing body of the community. This was done after consulting with communities in an attempt to reduce the cost and frequency of elections held within a community.

The length of the term of office for the members of the District Education Authority is directly tied to the length of term of office for the governing body. If the term is two years for the governing body members then the term will be two years for the District Education Authority members. If the length of term for the governing body is for a length other than two years, then the length of the term for the District Education Authority will be three years.

Prior to this Act coming into force, many communities had councils which had elections every year. This occurred because the members had terms which were staggered. Half of the council would be elected serving the last part of their term when the remaining half began their new term. Although there were positive features associated with this approach, local education authorities told the department through consultation that they wanted longer terms. They also requested that the terms of all members begin and end at the same time.

Mr. Speaker, the number of members elected to a District Education Authority was also established in consultation with communities. An Authority may be made up of five to seven members, and every Authority confirmed the number of members which is now identified in regulation. Igloolik, for example has seven members. Changes to the number of members, from seven to six or five, for example, may be made by request to the Minister where a community desires a change.

Also, Mr. Speaker, residents of the education district may petition the Minister to change how they are established and how they operate, according to the Act and regulations. This process is described in the Petition Regulations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Oral Question 66-13(4): New Education Act

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 162

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 162

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Mr. Peter Ernerk who is a former Member of this Legislature, member of the Nunavut Implementation Commission and he is also a well-known commentator on Inuit affairs.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 162

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 162

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Elizabeth Colin, from Fort McPherson. I believe she is up there. Welcome to the Assembly.

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Page 162

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ningark .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 162

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr Speaker, I would like to recognize Mr. George Porter from Gjoa Haven. Mr. Porter is a member of District Education Authority, a member of the Board of Governors from Arctic College, Nunavut Water Board, Nunavut Social Development Council and the Seniors' Society of the NWT. Thank you.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 162

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 162

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a constituent today, Mr. Lloyd Brunes, a very active member of our community with the Seniors' Society and many other things, and former Public Works superintendent for the town of Hay River for about a hundred years.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 162

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ng .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 162

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize members of the NWT Seniors' Advisory Council. Some of them have been recognized already, but in their capacity as members of this Council, we have Ms Esther Braden, President from Yellowknife, Mr. Peter Ernerk from Rankin Inlet, Mr. Lloyd Brunes from Hay River, Ms Elizabeth Colin from Fort McPherson, Mr. Don Brannigan from Fort Smith, Mr. Abe Okpik from Iqaluit, and of course Mr. George Porter from Gjoa Haven. We also have with the Advisory Council, their Executive Director, Ms Barb Bond. Thank you.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 162

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Picco .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 162

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as Mr. Ng just said, in the gallery today is a well-know Iqaluit elder and it would take me all day to talk about the awards and the presentations made to this gentlemen. Mr. Abe Okpik is a well-known Inuk elder from Iqaluit. He has the Order of Canada, and is a very good friend of mine. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 162

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ootes .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 162

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to also recognize Mr. Abe Okpik from many years ago when we worked together, and Mr. Peter Ernerk. Mr. Ernerk holds the distinction of being the first Cabinet Minister of the Government of the Northwest Territories, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 162

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. O'Brien .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 162

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize my constituency assistant, Mr. Nick Arnalukjuak from Arviat. Also a former co-worker of mine, with whom I worked in Arviat, now residing in Iqaluit, Scot Marriot.

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Page 162

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Are there any further recognition of visitors in the gallery? Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 90-13(4): Housing Shortages In Clyde River

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 162

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I spoke earlier in my Member's statement in regards to Clyde River housing conditions. I would like to direct this question to the Minister of the Housing Corporation , Mr. Arlooktoo . What is the most recent policy on matchbox social housing of the territorial government? What is the policy on that type of housing? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Question 90-13(4): Housing Shortages In Clyde River

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 162

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Housing , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Question 90-13(4): Housing Shortages In Clyde River

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 162

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, in answer to the honourable Member for Baffin Central , I will look up the exact policy on the matchboxes, and I will take this question as notice and return to him at a later time. (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 162

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 91-13(4): Impact Of Reductions Made To The Water And Sewage Services Subsidy Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 163

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . In regards to my opening statement about the cuts that have been taken in regards to the water and sewage subsidy especially in my region, my riding. There seems to be a real problem with the deficit situation that the hamlets are finding themselves in, and also the charter community. Is your department doing anything in the way of trying to resolve this problem with those communities?

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Question 91-13(4): Impact Of Reductions Made To The Water And Sewage Services Subsidy Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 163

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs . Ms Thompson. Welcome back.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 163

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was having a difficult time moving into the storm in Rankin, cooking hamburger soup. I will be getting a briefing with my department on the water sewage problems. Actually, I am having a meeting with the MLA, David Krutko , tomorrow morning at 8:00, and some of his community's members, on these issues. As soon as I get updated on the water sewage program in my department, I will know more about this issue. I am also concerned about that, so we will work with these communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 163

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Supplementary To Question 91-13(4): Impact Of Reductions Made To The Water And Sewage Services

Question 91-13(4): Impact Of Reductions Made To The Water And Sewage Services Subsidy Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 163

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, just on that, maybe the Minister could inquire and get some information in regards to the amount of water that is being served in the communities, and the number of times those deliveries are made to those particular houses, because I believe that, in the case of Tsiigehtchic it is twice a week, and I do not think that is adequate service that we are delivering to our residents.

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Question 91-13(4): Impact Of Reductions Made To The Water And Sewage Services Subsidy Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 163

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Ms Thompson.

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Question 91-13(4): Impact Of Reductions Made To The Water And Sewage Services Subsidy Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 163

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will get updated on the water sewage program with those communities from my department and I will be able to meet with the Member on these issues as soon as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 163

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Steen .

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Page 163

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is addressed to the Minister of Finance . Mr. Speaker, as I said in my opening Member's statement today, there is a fair amount of revenue generated through taxing of the tobacco commodity. This has not been identified in such a manner as to show that those who smoke, and probably those in the same class would be those people who drink, are always the people that are identified as the bad guys. We contribute to all kinds of problems that the government has to pay the cost of.

In that matter, Mr. Speaker, for people that drink, facilities are allowed to be built for them to continue with this habit, but in regards to people that smoke, there does not seem to be any consideration for the fact that this habit is quite wide spread in the Territories. In fact in government buildings there does not seem to be an allocation at all as to recognize and respect that people do have these kinds of problems and therefore have some kind of facilities, like this building here, whereby they can respectfully continue their habit without interfering with the general public.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to point out that as a general rule, those who smoke are very polite about it when they are asked not to do it in a public place. They get very little recognition for the fact that the amount of tax that is generated by them. Therefore, my question to the Minister of Finance , Mr. Speaker, how much revenue is generated a year by the tobacco commodity in the Territories? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My understanding is that, on average, we generate somewhere around $1.3 million on a monthly basis from revenues on the sale of tobacco products. Thank you.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Just for clarification, Mr. Speaker, did he say monthly basis or annual basis?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

That is on a monthly basis, I am told, approximately $1.3 million in total revenues, depending on the seasonal adjustments. So it is on a monthly basis. Thank you.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister identify whether or not any of this revenue is actually earmarked to go directly back to addressing this problem in the Territories? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, all revenues, whether it be from liquor, whether it be, since we are talking about the sin taxes, from tobacco, go back into the general fund and monies are allocated through the budgetary

process that is determined through this House to the departments who look after whether it is in health care, or whether it is in drug and alcohol centres. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to Mr. Antoine . In making changes to the Liquor Licensing Board prior to Christmas, Mr. Antoine decided to end the term of the chairman with one year still remaining. Can the Minister explain when he made the decision to replace the chairman? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would gladly answer this question. However, for the information of this House, the responsibility of the Liquor Licensing Board has been devolved to the Department of Finance. However, in response to the honourable Member, Mr. Williams' position, and any positions on the board, is at the pleasure of the Minister. With the advice from the Department of Safety and Public Services before Christmas, we looked at the different options that we had before us, so it was in the plans for sometime, and the decision was made in December, I believe. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry . Perhaps, you were not aware which Minister was responsible for the position, but if you wish to redirect your question to the appropriate Minister, you may do so.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Antoine has answered the first part. I would suggest that these decisions relate to his time, so he may be better able to answer the questions. If I may, the Minister mentioned that the appointments are at the pleasure of the Minister. Can Mr. Antoine tell me what that means? Does that mean just at a whim, you are here today, gone tomorrow? Would it be standard that, at pleasure, if you are not living up to the expectations of the position that you would be at pleasure and be removed accordingly. Could the Minister answer that for me, please?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member cannot direct a question to a former Minister that is no longer responsible for that department. So, I will redirect it to the Minister of Finance as a new question. The Minister of Finance . Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder if my honourable colleague could repeat the question so I may be able to answer it in an appropriate manner. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Antoine made it very clear when he responded to my first question, that these appointments are at the pleasure of the Minister, and what I wish to know, if Mr. Todd could answer it for Mr. Antoine , what the definition of pleasure is? Does that mean that when I have just woken up one morning and feel a little funny I dispose of a person? Or does it mean if the person is fulfilling their responsibilities, they would probably continue on? What does at pleasure mean? Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Convention is in the House, or precedents have been established in most cases where we are appointing board members or chairpersons to boards of this government that we would seek MLA involvement as well as public interest groups, that we may ask, from time to time for appointments, Mr. Speaker. Based on that, these appointments are made or recommended by the appropriate Minister, and in some cases can be appointed directly by the Minister, in other cases, require Cabinet approval.

The process, historically, has been to seek both MLA and the public's interest in board appointments. There are occasions when it would go to Cabinet for approval and there are other occasions where it is the Minister's sole jurisdiction, and these appointments are made. My understanding is that, if my notes serve me correctly, the previous Minister did correspond with the MLAs with respect to seeking their advice as he sought others on appointments to the Liquor Board.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Todd is accurate in his statement and may be of the understanding that the previous Minister did request solicitation of names who would be appropriate as appointments to the board. I, for one, did not get that request from the Minister. I do have a copy of a letter that was sent to me over a year ago, asking for nominations for boards members, but that is a year ago, and I believe, it is standard practice to have those sent out in a much more timely basis. The question I would have of Minister Todd is, did Mr. Antoine ask him for input for a new chairman of the Liquor Licensing Board?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Again, just to remind the Members that the Minister responsible for the Liquor Board is Mr. Todd . I would like the Members to direct their questions without making reference to what the previous Minister did. Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I believe the Minister did send out letters to all MLAs seeking input to the board appointments. I do not recollect one way or the other, at this stage of the game because it was before Christmas whether or not there was a specific reference to the chairperson or not. I know that there was correspondence sent out to MLAs on the appointment of the board in general, but I cannot at this time recollect whether I was asked, or others were asked, about chairpersons. It is not uncommon for us to seek requests from everybody on board appointments, and within these new board appointments, appoint a chairperson. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the chairman of the Liquor Licensing Board, the previous one has been dismissed from his position. As of yesterday, the individual, Mr. Williams has not received any notification, other than a telephone call, that he was no longer chairman of the board. I would like to ask the Minister responsible for the Liquor Licensing Board, Mr. Todd , if that is an acceptable standard to deal with residents of the Northwest Territories who offer their services to this government, in such areas as the Liquor Licensing Board? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, it is not an acceptable standard, and it is not one that we try to accomplish. I would suggest to my honourable colleague, that if there has been no correspondence between Mr. Williams and the ministry, than I apologize for that. If it was done, it was done in error, rather than any malice. I will look into the matter, and if such has happened, I will write a letter to Mr. Williams and apologize on behalf of the ministry. Thank you.

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The Speaker

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Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is difficult to ask this question without referring to what the previous Minister's has actions he has taken. But, if we call it the board, if that is acceptable to yourself, the complete board was replaced by the previous Minister. Mr. Speaker, I was told that it was a tough decision to do, so rather than make the tough decision, the entire board was replaced, now, including the chairman. Mr. Williams was not replaced to the new board. One of the old board members was replaced, and my question to the Minister is, why would this have taken place?

Why would the chairman, if it was committed that the chairman was an excellent motivated hard working individual, why would another board member who was the old board, get re-appointed, but the chairman, who had still had time left, not get re-appointed? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Most people that we appoint to boards, say it would be the exception rather than the rule, are appointed based upon their abilities and of course their continuing, their performance, et cetera. It is not uncommon for people to be changed on boards, even though they have done an excellent job. We do it all the time. It is just common practice. I do not know why one board member got appointed over another one. I understand that the old board member who is the new board member on the existing board was Mr.

Reni from Iqaluit, and perhaps, it was felt that there is a greater degree of participation by western people on the board because there is a great deal of more action within the liquor commission. So, I suspect that there was a requirement to have a solid, stable, sound, individual from the eastern Arctic, considerably one lone voice, and who better than somebody of Mr. Reni's character, and, of course, the tenure he has put in the country and the commitment he has made to the liquor. So, I think it just boils down to that, nothing else. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be to the Minister of Transport, Mr. Antoine , and it is to do with the Mackenzie Highway portion between Rae and Yellowknife. We heard Mr. Rabesca speak of this two days ago, and follow up with several questions. Then, as well, Grand Chief Joe Rabesca from Rae raised this issue publicly about the safety of the highway. As we know the highway will see a substantial amount of truck traffic this particular winter, and, of course, over the years the traffic on that highway has been increasing.

I understand, there are some 160 curves on the portion from Rae to Yellowknife, and as Mrs. Groenewegen mentioned yesterday, the Mackenzie Highway is a beautiful highway until you get to Rae. It is a very, very dangerous situation, and could result in fatalities. I guess my concern, Mr. Speaker, is that I do not hear any reassurances that the Department of Transport is addressing this safety problem, and I am wondering if the Minister could tell us if he is prepared to reduce the speed of trucks on the highway so that the concerns as addressed by Mr.

Rabesca , Grand Chief Joe Rabesca, the citizens of Yellowknife and Rae, and others that travel the highway will be addressed.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in regards to the highway between Rae and Yellowknife, I drive it quite often myself, my constituency being in Fort Simpson. I know that the road has got a lot of curves in it, and I know the safety concern is there, but if you drive according to the speed limit, you should not have any problem. The condition of the road, that the workers keep it in, and they are doing the best that they can, is excellent. The only problem that I see is the northern

section of the road. It is narrower and has more curves in it as you indicated.

Mr. Speaker, the department has approached all the industries that are involved in using the road, the trucking firms, within the last month, and have made it clear to them the concern that we have as a department in regards to the safety. We also have talked to the different law enforcement officers, the RCMP, our own bylaw officers in the communities, and the highway patrol. So, everyone is on alert that we are very concerned about the amount of traffic that we anticipate this winter on the highway between Rae and Yellowknife.

The department has been making these initiatives. I think these are very good initiatives to take. In regards to lowering the speed limit, we could do that. In fact, as an example, we have done it in other parts of the North. As you know, or perhaps you do not know, in my constituency around Fort Simpson this year, there is some logging activity going on. There are logging trucks that are going close to Fort Simpson down to the BC border. As a result of that, the department has lowered the speed limit from 90 to 80.

Because of the similar types of conditions on the Liard Highway, where it is a little bit narrower and there are more curves in the road, when these big trucks are barrelling down on you, you want to go into the ditch sometimes. Because of that we have lowered the speed limit, and we could consider that similar type of decision as well. We will look at that. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, the increase in traffic will likely start fairly soon, within the month, because of the transportation of materials for the BHP mine will commence the moment the winter road is open at the end of the Ingraham Trail. Like the honourable Minister, I have experienced trucks driving on the Ingraham Trail. Because the trail is very narrow, it is very, very important that the speed limits, et cetera, be adhered to.

I am wondering if the Minister can look at beefing up highway patrols and ensure that the speed limits are adhered to, specifically and certainly during that particular period of two months. I believe it is, from start of February to the end of March, when it is likely the most dangerous, and my question for the Minister would be, can he look at beefing up highway patrols during that period, and to also address Mr. Erasmus ' concern at that time to check that lights are on. After all, we have passed legislation to that effect. Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, our concern this winter mainly is on the Ingraham Trail because of the amount of traffic that we anticipate will be using that part of our highway system. Yes, our concern is safety. Our highway patrol officers have been notified already. We will re-emphasize that to see if we could see ways on how to beef up or increase the highway patrols.

We will also be instructing on the headlights issue as well since you mentioned it. There are headlights, lights on, it is law boards that are going up, signs that have gone up. That is the law now to have your headlights on at all times. Therefore, the RCMP who patrol the communities as well as the highways, our highway patrol, and the bylaw officers of the communities have been notified that it is law now. That will be enforced as well. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the Minister made reference to that particular portion of the highway, Rae to Yellowknife, to be restructured, but I wonder if he could advise us again, and just refresh our memories as to what the timing for that particular program is.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the restructuring of the highway between Rae and Yellowknife, is in the five-year capital plan. It is probably going to be subject to change before that, but we anticipate that in the next three years, hopefully, we would initiate the actual restructuring of that

section of the highway according to the five-year capital plan. You know that the five-year capital plan is a planning tool, it is not really realized until the year of the construction itself. We have a couple of years before we actually move ahead with that. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker. Yes, if I heard the Minister correctly, he recognizes that we do need to address the problem of this particular

section of the highway, and he is prepared to look at reconstructing this within the three year time frame.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this restructuring of the highway between Rae and Yellowknife is a very major undertaking in terms of the amount of dollars that would be required to reconstruct the whole 90 odd kilometres of this highway. It is a very substantial cost per kilometre, and because of that we would like to look at it as part of a highway strategy even though it is in the five-year capital plan. It is part of a bigger strategy that we are developing.

As I said earlier in my statements and specifically to your question, yes, we would like to move ahead and start reconstruction of the highway within the next three years. That is to start it, the completion will take longer than that. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 96-13(4): Fungal Contamination Of Fuel Oil

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 167

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, following on the line of questioning of the last couple of days on the growth of fungus and bacteria in our fuel supply, that has been found, I know it is a very important topic John, ...found in Iqaluit. As the Minister said it is present in other fuels but inactive. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister for Petroleum Products tell me if it is the policy of this government to buy the cheapest fuel available.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Public Works and Services . Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, when our Petroleum Products Division does go out for tender for fuel, the cost is a very major aspect of the proposal call. So, yes, it is a big factor.

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Samuel Gargan

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that the situation regarding the bacteria in the fuel that has been found in Iqaluit, that could also be present in other communities, is a direct result, as Mr. Arlooktoo now has just said, of buying the cheapest fuel available. Mr. Speaker, there is a point in time when we have a fiscal reality and we should look at economies of scale and buying the cheapest product. In this case, it now seems that we have fungus and bacteria in the fuel. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister for Public Works tell me if the result of the fungus and bacteria is because there is a large amount of water in the cheap fuel that has been purchased?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I told the Member yesterday that the department has taken samples from different tanks in Iqaluit and another community. The results of those tests are expected next week. Once those are in, I will share it with the Member. I do not have the results yet and I cannot give any further information, because I do not have it.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the past several year in my research on this topic, I have found that there has only been one other instance, and that was in 1967, of fungus or bacteria growing in fuel in the eastern Arctic. That case was on a DEW line site which caused major problems with a DEW line generator. Mr. Speaker, someone is at fault here with the purchasing of fuel. I understand, Mr. Speaker, that there are problems in Repulse Bay with water in that fuel, and some indication in another community. Mr. Speaker, the buck has to stop somewhere.

Can the Minister tell me who is responsible for the purchase of below-grade fuel? The consequence is that when we bring fuel into Iqaluit, or bring fuel into Coral Harbour or bring fuel into Rankin Inlet, it has to stay there for a year. We do not have the luxury of putting it in a truck on the road and shipping it back out. If it is causing damage to the NTPC generator or, in some cases, it would seem to people's furnaces, that is a major concern. My question is, where does the buck stop? Who is ultimately responsible for this? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the information we have to date indicates to me that it is not because of cheap, contaminated fuel. We have taken samples to be tested and until those are confirmed, I cannot answer the Member's question.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, this is shocking to me that the Minister cannot say who is responsible for this. Maybe it is not important to the people of the Northwest Territories. Maybe the media has fallen asleep at the wheel. Maybe there is just me. I am getting indications from phone calls and everything to my office that there is a greater concern out there than people are seeing. Again, I ask the Minister is he responsible for petroleum products? As the Minister of the Crown, he is. Then where does the buck stop? I see there are three of them thinking about this question now.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I realize that it is an important issue, although I did get several calls yesterday and this morning asking why we were dealing with fungus in tanks when there are many other important issues to deal with.

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Some Hon. Members

Hear, hear! Bravo!

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

It was not me, but somebody told me that. All I am saying is until we know exactly what the problem is, I cannot discuss solutions here. We cannot start fixing something if we do not know if it is broken or not.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 97-13(4): Policy On Mid-winter Evictions

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 167

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have recently been made aware that there have been a number of

families evicted from their homes in the community of Rankin Inlet. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of the Housing Corporation . I would like to know what the department's policy