Debates of Feb. 14th, 2013

This is page numbers 1859 – 1898 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was work .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 10-17(4): Mineral Development Strategy Update

Success Of The Aboriginal Court Work Program

Aurora College Review

Previous Day’s Motion On Hot Water Heater Replacement Program

Assembly Of First Nations Student Video Contest

One Billion Rising, V-Day 2013 Campaign

Idle No More Movement

Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board Funding Cuts

Highway No. 7 Reconstruction

Congratulations On The Birth Of Kali Ann Martha Wood

Expanding Aurora College Business Administration Program

Keeping Jobs In The North And Northerners In Jobs

Condolences On The Passing Of Hay River Residents

Funding For Beaufort-Delta Education Council

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Employing Northern Workers

Nahanni Butte School

Transboundary Water Agreement

Reductions To The Mackenzie Valley Land And Water Board

Funding For Education Councils

Prevention And Promotion Programs For Seniors

Land Tax Assessment

Degree-Granting Program In Business Administration

Update On Government Response To Child And Family Services Act Review

Territorial Formula Financing Arrangement

Review Of Enbridge Pipeline Route

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Revision)

Tabled Document 18-17(4): Letter From Aurora College Business Administration Students Tabled Document 19-17(4): Letter From Dene National Office In Support Of MLA Motion On Federal Changes To The Environment

Tabled Document 20-17(4): Workers’ Safety And Compensation 2011 Annual Report

Tabled Document 21-17(4): NWT Days Media Activity Report

Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act

Extended Adjournment Of The House To February 18, 2013

Federal Changes To Environmental Law

Recorded Vote

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:31 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues.

Members, before we begin today – in addition to wishing you all a happy Valentine’s Day…

…I am going to beat Norman to the punch this year. I would like to send a special Valentine’s Day wish to my wife, Jenny, mother of my children, my best friend, my life partner. Thank you for your love and care, your patience – she’s got a lot of patience with me doing my job – and also for being an amazing mother to our children. I am only able to do the work because I have my wife’s support, Mr. Speaker. I know she cares. Happy Valentine’s Day to my wife, Jenny.

Back home up in Tuk, John and Mabel Noksana, John and Mabel, it’s their anniversary today. So happy anniversary to John and Mabel, and happy Valentine’s Day.

---Applause

I would like to draw your attention to the Canadian flags that are on your desks. Tomorrow, February 15th , is National Flag of Canada Day.

It was on February 15, 1965, that the first red and white Canadian flag, with its distinctive maple leaf, flew proudly over Parliament Hill.

Our Canadian flag is recognized all over the world as the flag of a people who cherish the ideals of democracy, freedom and respect.

I know we don’t see any maple trees in this part of Canada, but we proudly fly our Canadian flag all across the Northwest Territories as a symbol of our unity with all Canadians.

Please join me, colleagues, celebrating Flag Day for the great country we live in.

Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Minister’s Statement 10-17(4): Mineral Development Strategy Update

Ministers’ Statements

Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Mr. Speaker, the Northwest Territories has long been recognized as a land rich in resource potential. One of the priorities of this Assembly is to strengthen and diversify the economy, and as part of that priority, we identified the need to have a comprehensive, environmentally sustainable Mineral Development Strategy in place.

Mr. Speaker, as with the Economic Opportunities Strategy I spoke about yesterday, the Mineral Development Strategy is part of a bigger picture. It complements other initiatives the GNWT is undertaking, such as the Economic Opportunities Strategy, and other linked initiatives such as the Land Use and Sustainability Framework and a Northwest Territories Anti-Poverty Strategy.

It will also be closely integrated with the NWT Energy Plan. Both energy development and mineral development share the same key challenge: a lack of infrastructure across the territory. Affordable energy provision and mineral development needs infrastructure.

I am pleased to report that the Mineral Development Strategy is well underway and will play a key role in helping our communities to be sustainable, vibrant and free from poverty.

It was officially launched just a couple of weeks ago at the 2013 Mineral Exploration Roundup in Vancouver. This is the world’s leading technical mineral exploration conference and gave us the opportunity to signal to thousands of potential investors that we are ready to do business.

While the NWT has vast potential as an untapped source of diamonds, gold, rare earths and other minerals, attracting investment to the territory has sometimes been a challenge. We are aware that the complex regulatory process has often meant potential investors think twice before heading north.

But even so, mineral development is the backbone of the NWT economy.

Our four producing mines contribute $770 million in spending every year and employ more than 3,000

people. We want to ensure mineral development continues to play an important role in our economy and ensure the industry remains one of the largest employers of NWT residents. Our strategy will provide a framework to ensure our mineral resources continue to be developed in a sustainable way that benefits NWT residents and upholds our commitment to protect the environment.

By taking steps to develop a clear policy and direction for mineral development in the NWT, the GNWT is making a solid commitment to strengthening and diversifying our economy.

To advance the strategy, we produced a discussion paper to encourage a public conversation about our mineral development industry. This was distributed at the launch event and has already been sent to people and businesses throughout the territory that have a stake in the industry. It is also available on the ITI website and we are looking for responses from the public.

To encourage this conversation, I have appointed a three-person expert advisory panel to travel throughout the territory and to consult with other stakeholders around Canada. They are gathering feedback and will provide recommendations on drafting the final strategy. We expect to have the strategy completed by June.

Meetings took place in Yellowknife all last week, and Norman Wells and Inuvik this week. The panel is meeting with representatives and executives from diamond mining and mineral exploration companies, industry, training and educational institutions, Aboriginal organizations, local governments and local community organizations, as well as local chambers of commerce.

We have already received valuable input and recommendations about what a final Mineral Development Strategy should contain, and expect to receive even more as these meetings continue.

Our most important stakeholders are those that work in the mineral development sector on an everyday basis. They are the ones who make those initial investments that eventually benefit us all. We have entered into a partnership with the NWT and Nunavut Chamber of Mines to make sure that the strategy is comprehensive and that all key stakeholders have the opportunity to provide their input. I look forward to continuing this discussion in the months ahead. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 10-17(4): Mineral Development Strategy Update

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Abernethy .

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Minister's Statement 11-17(4): Success Of The Aboriginal Court Work Program

Ministers’ Statements

Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak to the success of legal aid’s

Aboriginal Court Work Program. This program has existed for over 30 years, and the court workers were brought into the public service over a decade ago. Our nine court workers are present in the visitors gallery today.

This program ensures that Aboriginal people charged with criminal offences receive timely and accurate information at the earliest possible stage of the criminal justice process. Our court workers also help residents with family law and other legal matters, and help residents navigate the legal aid system. They are also the point people for legal aid’s Community Outreach Program.

We are fortunate to have a group of dedicated and talented court workers, all of whom have made a long-term commitment to the people of the North. Our court workers are located in Behchoko, Fort Good Hope, Fort Simpson, Fort Smith, Hay River, Inuvik and Yellowknife. They travel into all the communities regularly with the court circuit.

Mr. Speaker, I am not the only one to note the success of this program. Justice Canada recently released the result of the 2011 Northwest Territories Client Survey. This surveyed the program’s clients and found that all of them were either satisfied or very satisfied with the information they received from the court worker.

The survey also showed that 84 percent of the clients were referred to legal services, and that 95 percent of those clients in court had legal representation. These numbers reflect the breadth of coverage available through our Legal Aid Program, and that those in the criminal justice system are being represented.

Finally, I would note that our court workers play an important education role, with more than half of the clients reporting that the information they received from their court workers helped them understand the lawyers, judges and court personnel.

Mr. Speaker, our talented and dedicated court workers are making a difference for those residents who come into contact with the justice system. I will be pleased to officially welcome them to the House at the appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 11-17(4): Success Of The Aboriginal Court Work Program

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister's Statement 12-17(4): Aurora College Review

Ministers’ Statements

Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment is committed to strategic communications, coordinated program planning and delivery, and strong working relationships with its partners.

Aurora College is a key part of our educational system and plays a critical role in building a strong,

sustainable future for our territory. The college recently reorganized its operational structure and we are reviewing the improvements, analyzing the functional structure and identifying any gaps. We are working with the college to examine, inspect and report on current operations and clarify roles and responsibilities.

Our review includes working with staff to ensure an understanding of roles and responsibilities, operational processes, decision-making, and clear roles and protocols.

The department will use existing resources to fund this review, to cover the years 2009 to 2012, with the completed report and recommendations by March 31, 2013.

Mr. Speaker, as we work together to improve our processes and services, I would like to acknowledge that this is Aurora College Week. All three campuses and 23 community learning centres are hosting activities, including presentations, fundraisers, contests and games. This is an annual celebration of college spirit that brings together students and staff outside the classroom. The college is a strong advocate of community-based learning, and works to foster strong ties with communities. This celebratory week also encourages the public to learn about Aurora College’s many programs and opportunities for upgrading and training. The department proudly supports Aurora College and takes

part in celebrating Aurora College Week.

Mr. Speaker, our people are our territory’s greatest resource. We must make sure they have tools and opportunities to realize their potential. Having effective and efficient operations in place will not only strengthen our partnership with Aurora College, it will contribute to this Assembly’s goal of a strong and independent North. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 12-17(4): Aurora College Review

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Minister Lafferty . Item 3, Members’ statements. Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Previous Day’s Motion On Hot Water Heater Replacement Program

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Every morning in committee we discuss the previous day’s business, so I’d like to talk a little bit about yesterday’s business in this House. We’ll call it previous day’s business.

I’m disappointed that when the Members of this House passed a motion suggesting that we could possibly look at some money to put into the conversion of electric hot water heaters to diesel hot water heaters as a means of some energy

efficiency on this side of the House, that it was met with such disdain by the Minister of ENR .

I carefully read over Hansard, and actually you cannot read in the actual words the tone of what we felt over here after we passed that motion. Of course, we know we’ve been through six months of business plans, of course we know this wasn’t brought up before, but as Members on this side of the House, we do have the right to bring forth what we consider to be, collectively, a good idea at any time that we want to.

The Minister was clearly… Well, I don’t know what the word is; I have to be careful here. It appeared that the Minister was annoyed by our suggestion, and I do not appreciate that. Yes, there is possibility of LNG in the future.

Yes, there may be already many good initiatives going on, but this was a little idea that we came up with up on this side of the House and I felt like the response from the government, vis-a-vis the Minister of ENR , was very dismissive, I felt like the answer was condescending in the sense that we know we can’t pull out the power subsidy from our constituents right now, suggesting that that that’s the only place where we could get a little bit of money to change over electric hot water heaters to diesel hot water heaters.

Oh, well, let’s go back to the PUB then and let’s cut the subsidy for all the power rates in the Northwest Territories. That’s not an alternative. There’s lots of money being spent other places in this government other than with the power subsidy, where, if we wanted to find a little bit of money to do this, we could do so. But to throw that out there was almost like, oh, my gosh, no, we can’t do that, I mean, it struck fear in the heart of people to think that we as a group would possibly support such a pullback on that power subsidy. You couldn’t do that on short notice and in a rash kind of a way.

All I’m saying is we do have the odd idea over here, we like to put it forward. Thanks for the respect. If you could just give us the time of day. Thank you.

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Previous Day’s Motion On Hot Water Heater Replacement Program

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Assembly Of First Nations Student Video Contest

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, wish to rise here today and wish my wife of 21 years, Cindy, a happy Valentine’s Day.

Today I want to let all NWT First Nation students know from grade school to high school about an exciting national video contest that is being hosted by the Assembly of First Nations. AFN wants students to talk about their school and education. What do they like about their school? How is their school making a difference in their life? How would

they like to change it to make it even better? If they could change things, what change would they make and what would their education be if it was to be better? These are just some of the topics that students can choose from.

All students participating in this contest will have the opportunity to win a school visit by National Chief Shawn Atleo. A lottery will be held for all participants and a name will be chosen at random. The cool thing is that National Chief Atleo will visit the winner’s school before the end of the 2013 school year.

The students don’t have much time. This contest closes on February 28, 2013. So if you’re listening in, you can go to the Assembly of First Nations website at www.afn.com or e-mail to [email protected] .

I strongly encourage all NWT First Nation students to pick up a video camera or, for most of them, just to use their trusty old smartphone and get creative. Let’s see if we can have a winner here from the Northwest Territories. Good luck. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Assembly Of First Nations Student Video Contest

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro

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One Billion Rising, V-Day 2013 Campaign

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today is not only Valentine’s Day, as evidenced by my colleague Mr. Dolynny , but it is also the 15th anniversary of V-Day.

V-Day is an organized response against violence towards women. Today is also the launch of a new campaign, the One Billion Rising Campaign. One Billion Rising invites one billion people, representing the number of women on the planet who have been raped or beaten, to walk out of their jobs, schools, homes, and dance. I won’t be dancing today, but maybe next year we’ll all be dancing.

The One Billion Rising Campaign can be a catalyst. It can unify and strengthen existing anti-violence efforts, and it can lay the groundwork for new educational, protective and legislative endeavours throughout the world.

Here in the NWT, family violence is a huge issue and work is being done to address the issue of family violence in the NWT. The Coalition Against Family Violence, in existence for some time now, is a territorial interagency group that brings together individuals, non-government and government agencies to share information and put in place projects in keeping with their mandate. As a collaborative, they have a strong voice and bring a vast amount of expertise and experience to the table. Some of the initiatives that have developed include Family Violence Awareness Week, Take

Back the Night, White Ribbon Campaign and the healing program for men who use violence, as mentioned by Minister Abernethy .

Over the years, the coalition has developed an action plan to combat family violence. We are now on phase 3 of that plan. The action plan phase 3, was released last year with 19 recommendations. Many of those recommendations need funding for the coalition to accomplish them and to keep the coalition’s momentum going. The coalition has accomplished a lot, but the work is far from finished.

A recent recommendation from the NWT chief coroner, following the death of Alice Black in 2009, calls for a long-term public education campaign similar to an anti-smoking campaign, to curb the culture of acceptance of domestic and family violence. These are the sorts of things the coalition is working towards. On this day, V-Day 2013, we as legislators and policymakers must remember our role in helping the coalition achieve their goal of reducing family violence in the NWT. We in the NWT can join the one billion rising. Thank you.

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One Billion Rising, V-Day 2013 Campaign

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Idle No More Movement

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Idle No More supported the fast of Attawaspiskat Chief Theresa Spence which led to an important meeting between Aboriginal leaders and the Prime Minister on January 11th . Chief Spence helped

broaden the movement’s purpose to include concerns about living conditions in First Nations communities and especially about the broken relationship between Canada and its Aboriginal peoples.

The end of Chief Spence’s fast was not the end of Idle No More. Idle No More is organizing national events on February 14th , today, in solidarity with the

Women’s Memorial March, which is a national campaign for missing and murdered Aboriginal women, and Have a Heart Day, an initiative to support indigenous children. Creative acts of awareness, resistance and solidarity are being encouraged. Idle No More has done much in a very

short time to educate both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal Canadians about indigenous rights and issues, and I commend them. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Idle No More Movement

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board Funding Cuts

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to follow your lead and acknowledge my wife, Sue, of almost 13 years. I want to say, when you add the wind chill to that some days…

---Laughter

… it’s still 13 years happily married, Mr. Speaker.

A great deal has been said in the House and in the media this week about disturbing news that the Mackenzie Valley Review Board has fired, not laid off, fired six members of their staff. I am sure that every Member of this House would agree it is detrimental to the protection of our environment in the NWT, and our federal government Department of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada has failed to provide supplementary funding that is much needed and, as we all know, is necessary for this review board to do their work. This is not a case of doing more with less.

This is clearly a case of doing less with less. I only wonder when industry is all of a sudden going to catch up and realize what is happening, because this will affect their critical work that they need done.

However, what seems to be left out of this discussion, and it was absolutely critical not to pass it by, is what will happen to the remaining people here today. Those are those six people, constituents of ours, those six residents of Yellowknife that received the shocking news last Friday that their jobs were terminated effective immediately. These are real people, not just statistics. They’re people with mortgages, they have bills to pay, they have children to take care of. It’s a crying shame what happened to them.

I’m told that two of them were let go before their maternity leave even began. Another, a constituent of mine, is a single parent who does not have enough time in the review board to qualify for EI. This affects real lives.

Yesterday my colleague from Weledeh asked the Premier if the GNWT was consulted about the reduction of these six MVEIRB positions. I can advise this House that not even the affected employees were consulted about this in advance. So, in fact, there was no prior warning, and that’s a serious shame.

On Tuesday the Premier rightly observed that there was little the GNWT can do with respect to the MVEIRB board in ANSI’s funding position.

However, like anything, there’s always an opportunity. So later today I will be asking the Premier about what he can do with my suggestion, which will be about putting these people who’ve just been let go on a GNWT priority list because we have to show that we care. This is an interagency that does great work in the North and it’s critical. Let’s not abandon these people the way they were abandoned last week. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board Funding Cuts

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Highway No. 7 Reconstruction

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Love is in the House today.

---Laughter

I’ll continue mine with love for Highway No. 7. The government is sending clear messages that the Northwest Territories is open for development like never before. The mineral development, the Economic Opportunities Strategy, NWT Days in Ottawa and increased funding for tourism all show Canada and the world that the Northwest Territories is the place to invest. Yet, anyone driving north on Highway No. 7 from BC would wonder, do we really mean it.

Highway No. 7 is a gateway to the North. It enters the BC border to Fort Liard and to Fort Simpson and it also services the community of Nahanni Butte. I don’t need to remind government and the Department of Transportation on how the condition of that highway affects my constituents and travellers coming north. My constituents have always told me the highway makes our living and it brings work to us.

The community of Fort Liard is willing to partner with the GNWT this year to improve chipseal, but the millions of dollars budgeted for Highway No. 7 is like a band-aid on a broken leg.

The Deh Cho, one of the most spectacular regions of the Northwest Territories, and home to the Nahanni National Park Reserve, has seen less visitors every year. ITI recorded a total of 39 day-use visitors at the Deh Cho parks in 2011-12. Previous years saw 10 times that many.

The Prairie Creek Canadian Zinc Mine needs reliable transportation corridors to fulfill commitments in its socio-economic agreement and to its shareholders. Devolution is expected to bring new positions to our communities, and people relocating to the Deh Cho region will expect highway infrastructure that is reasonably comparable to other parts of Canada.

Already oil companies are travelling through my riding as they explore the central Mackenzie Valley shale play. We only need to look south to the boom

in northeastern BC and north to the Sahtu to see oil and gas potential to the Deh Cho region.

We cannot afford a treacherous highway. The tourism and benefits alone would pay for its reconstruction. If we take our communities and economic development in the Northwest Territories seriously, we need infrastructure that supports it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Highway No. 7 Reconstruction

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Congratulations On The Birth Of Kali Ann Martha Wood

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just a heads-up, this possibly could be the best Member’s statement that I’ve given to date.

---Laughter

Now that I’ve got your attention on this day of love, I had the great opportunity of getting such great news today on the birth of Ms. Kali Ann Martha Wood, the healthy daughter of Bryan Wood and my beloved little sister, Heather Moses.

---Applause

Kali Ann Martha Wood was born at 11:00 p.m. last night with a healthy weight of 8 pounds 22 ounces. I want to wish both Bryan and Heather all the best in their journey together, and their journey and responsibility to be great parents and to ensure the healthy growth and development of little Kali Ann. They have made two families very proud and made one proud uncle in front of you today. They will be great parents.

I’d like to ask the Members to join me in welcoming Ms. Kali Ann Martha Wood into the world and to welcome our newest resident of the NWT.

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Congratulations On The Birth Of Kali Ann Martha Wood

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Expanding Aurora College Business Administration Program

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. May I follow your lead and also wish happy Valentine’s Day to my most lovely wife, Marianne.

Business administration students at Aurora College have appealed for the creation of a third-year degree-granting program. I support that request. The current two-year diploma-granting program is filled to capacity. Currently, diploma graduates seeking a baccalaureate degree must transfer to a southern institution to complete their studies, or take distance education. Students say 87 percent of them – Mr. Moses might take note – have children, and point out that the demands of moving away to continue in a degree, deal with SFA at a distance,

raise their families and work multiple jobs is, “not a task for the faint at heart.”

Our students, obviously, have heart. But they say that a full degree program would encourage more current students to complete degrees and attract more students from NWT secondary schools to business administration programs, all of them ending up with higher credentials.

They’ve collected 36 signatures on a petition asking for the program expansion, which I will take later today. The petition says, “Courses and professional experiences found here are comparable to any other college in Canada,” and that they are very enthusiastic for the opportunity to learn and develop here in the North.

The college president is quoted in the media as saying that some third-year courses offered through Athabasca would be discontinued last year due to some bumps in the road. But she’s also quoted as saying the Athabasca courses could be reinstated as early as next year.

Our society and the economy need these graduates. As a provider of educational services, this government must respond to the students’ enthusiasm for northern education and higher learning. We need to promote their opportunities and make every effort to keep these graduates and their families in the North. We can’t risk losing their energy to southern employers.

This Assembly and our Minister of Education needs to make sure this happens. I will have questions for the Minister of Education about removing any bumps in the road and having this program ready to smoothly accept third-year enrolment in the fall. Mahsi.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Keeping Jobs In The North And Northerners In Jobs

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to also send out my happy Valentine’s Day to the people. Somebody sent me a note here and it says, “I love you.” Whoever that is…(inaudible)…

---Laughter

…(inaudible)…also to my lovely wife, and I certainly send my love out to the people in the Sahtu, especially people from the Sahtu who are in the gallery and are friends. I want to say that.

I want to get on with my Member’s statement now after all these heartfelt sentiments I’ve said.

Keeping jobs in the North is my concern today. Industry and the Government of the Northwest Territories signs economic agreements before the production phase of any mining projects. Industry

agrees to use their best efforts to define priorities and keeping employment targets. Sadly, these targets fail to be met. We hear many explanations: lack of skilled workers, people unwilling to relocate to the Northwest Territories, addictions limit workers’ employability. However, only two mines include the Sahtu in worker points of pickup. People in the Sahtu have to travel to Deline or Norman Wells, if not Inuvik or Yellowknife, in order to work at one of the diamond mines. Oil and gas exploration is taking place in the Sahtu, but in the meantime, people have to work and need to work. They need to develop skills and experience so they can benefit from future opportunities closer to home.

Engagement with industry is, so far, the way we have chosen to hold mines accountable to the socio-economic agreements. Government makes an effort to work with industry that, in turn, has some expectations from this government. There are many areas where we can work as government with industry, to increase the presence of northern hire. We need to invest in a skilled workforce. If someone can’t get hired because of addictions, that person needs assessable treatment options. We need to teach life skills and help people experience a better, cleaner way to live.

We need to reduce the cost of living to make the Northwest Territories a more attractive place to live and work. We need good employment incentives. The Canol shale oil play can be an economic game changer.

How do we hold industry to account for the ways they work with people on our land? How do we ensure we get the most of the socio-economic agreements and negotiate in the future by making these agreements work today? We need to work for a common goal and find the best solution for people and industry. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Keeping Jobs In The North And Northerners In Jobs

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Condolences On The Passing Of Hay River Residents

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to wish everybody a happy Valentine’s Day here today, as well out in the Northwest Territories. I think we all need to appreciate our family and friends out there. One of the things that’s most difficult is when we have those families and friends who have passed away, and we’ve had a few people in Hay River the last while I’d like to mention.

Vern Tordoff, a long-term town councillor who passed away during Christmas. He will be missed.

Delphine McKay, a long-term resident of Hay River who helped out lots in the school. She will definitely be missed.

Mr. Bill Parker, who’s in a race car in the big racetrack in the sky right now hopefully tuning up his engines, helping the good Lord up there.

I think this is the best time when we need to thank our families and friends, and think of those people who have gone by. I think back of Ed Barnhart, a friend of mine who worked for me and this was his birthday.

As we open up our hearts, I’d like to challenge my colleagues here. February is Heart and Stroke Month and I’d like to challenge them. I have made a $100 donation and I’d like to challenge them to do the same.

I’d like to also give a big thanks to the Pages from Hay River North who were here this week: Grace Osted and Novie Bordey. I’d like to thank them for their hard work today and during this week. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Funding For Beaufort-Delta Education Council

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to wish everyone in the Mackenzie Delta a happy Valentine’s Day, and also to all my colleagues here, everybody who’s gathered.

The 2013-14 budget anticipates reduced staff in the Beaufort-Delta Education Council. Right now funding to our education council is based on the number of students expected to enroll in school, not on the needs of children or the hardworking teachers and administrators.

My constituents in Aklavik and Fort McPherson tell me that they need more teachers. In Tsiigehtchic there is only one teacher for up to three grades.

There are serious gaps in the student achievement between small communities and regional centres. There’s less structure for early childhood development that paves the way for learning at school. If anything, children in our communities need more one-on-one support with their teachers.

Even a child who grows up in a healthy, stimulating environment often needs extra help to succeed. School can be a positive, motivating experience for children when teachers have time and resources that they need. A manageable workload also helps attract talented professionals to our small communities, exactly where the 17th Assembly

wants to increase a number of positions.

The funding formula for education councils fails to recognize the teacher in Tsiigehtchic who’s managing three grades. We really need to look at how we support the schools in our hamlets and villages. As a government, we may not be able to put state-of-the-art facilities in each of the 33

communities, but all the students in the Northwest Territories deserve an equal opportunity to succeed. We should staff our schools in a way that gives our future children a chance to succeed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. Item 5, returns to oral questions. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Colleagues, I’d like to draw your attention to the presence in the gallery of Mr. Peter Kujawinski, Consul General of the United States of America for Alberta, Saskatchewan and the Northwest Territories. Peter is a career American diplomat who joined the state department in 1998. His previous assignments include postings to U.S. embassies in France and Israel. He also was posted to the U.S. delegation to the United Nations Security Council in New York. His most recent assignment was to the U.S. Embassy in Haiti. He has worked as a political counsellor and coordinator of U.S.

Assistance, promoting governance and rule of law. Peter is doing his first official visit to the Northwest Territories, and we would like to welcome the Consul General of the United States of America, Mr. Peter Kujawinski.

---Applause

He is quite the dog musher. We were out dog mushing yesterday. We had a good time last night.

I would also like to welcome Sheila Nasogaluak from Inuvik. Welcome to the House, Sheila.

Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I have a number of people I would like to recognize. First I would like to recognize Charlene Doolittle, who is the new executive director of legal aid. Charlene is the first Aboriginal woman to hold the position and lives here in Yellowknife.

I would also like to recognize our court workers who are really the heart and soul of the Aboriginal Court Worker Program. They are Val Watsyk from Yellowknife, Sally Card from Yellowknife, Daphne Lafferty from Fort Good Hope, Maureen Maurice from Hay River, Pat Waugh from Fort Simpson, Sheila Nasogaluak from Inuvik, Shari Olsen from Fort Smith and Rose Lamouelle from Behchoko. Through you, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank each of these individuals for all that they do for the people of the Northwest Territories. Their hard work, commitment and dedication are truly appreciated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I would just like to recognize Rose Lamouelle, who is here with us as well, one of the greatest court workers.

---Laughter

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jackie Jacobson

Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I, as well, would like to recognize one of the hardworking court workers and that would be Shari Olsen from Fort Smith. I welcome her to the Assembly. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Mr. McLeod.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

I would like to welcome Sheila Nasogaluak, a constituent of Inuvik Twin Lakes, I believe. Welcome to the gallery. And to all the court workers up there, welcome

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a first for me on Valentine’s Day to be able to recognize the lucky guy who has been married to me for 35 years. I would like to recognize my husband, Rick Groenewegen, in the gallery today and also recognize Maureen Maurice, our court worker from Hay River. Welcome.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Mr. Dolynny .

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize, through you, a person from Range Lake who spends some time in this House here and who works for the protocol office. That is the lovely Carmen Moore. Thank you very much. And also, Consul General, welcome to the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to use the occasion, as well, to recognize both Val Watsyk and Shari Olsen. They are two friends of mine who have grown up in the South Slave for many years. As well, I would like to take the opportunity to recognize Pat Waugh, who I have known for a long time. As well, welcome to all the court workers. Thank you for your work.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. It is my pleasure to recognize… Firstly, I will go with the court workers, another one of the greatest and hardworking court workers is Mr. Pat Waugh from Fort Simpson, and also welcome Ms. Val Watsyk, a former resident of Fort Simpson. I see in the gallery, as well, Ms. Melaw Nakehk’o. It

gives me great pleasure to welcome Nahanni Butte students in the gallery here today. I would like to recognize the chaperones, Mr. Mike Matou, Ms. Tammy Matou and Joe Ekotla and the students individually, if you will bear with me colleagues, Kwinlin Matou, Riley Matou, Nathan Betsaka, Dianna Vital, Destiny Ekotla, Shawn Ekotla and welcome to Sydney Hope. Thank you very much for coming. I hope you enjoy the deliberations today. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Mr. Moses .

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to take the opportunity to welcome Ms. Charlene Doolittle, who has been a really good friend and also a former participant on the Death Race Team that we did down in Grande Cache. Welcome, and I congratulate you on your new position. I also would like to recognize Sheila Nasogaluak, who I have done work with on the interagency committee in Inuvik. She does a really great job and is a great ambassador for Inuvik. I would also like to recognize Shari Olsen, who I have known over the years through the recreation fields; Ms.

Melaw Nakehk’o, who is a preserver of our culture and our traditions and is doing a great job. I would also like to welcome the Aboriginal court workers that are here with us today and the Consul General. Welcome, and enjoy the afternoon. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Mr. Bouchard .

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

I would like to welcome the court workers, as well, especially Maureen Maurice from Hay River, Shari Olsen from Fort Smith, and also I would like to recognize one of my constituents, Mr. Rick Groenewegen, in the House today. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to recognize the best court worker in the Northwest Territories, Daphne Lafferty from Fort Good Hope. I also would like to recognize some friends, Rose Lamouelle and Pat Waugh who are also court workers and Charlene Doolittle whose family is from the Sahtu. Also, the other court workers here. I also would like to recognize the students from Nahanni Butte. It is good to see you come down this way to see us in action, and the rest of the visitors I would like to welcome. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thanks you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Blake .

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize the two Pages from Fort McPherson, Lloyd Prodromidis and Trent Villebrun, and also their chaperone, Ms. Andrea Tetlichi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . I would also like to welcome Mr. Rick Groenewegen in the House today. It is so cute to have them sitting up there together. I would like to welcome our students here. It is always so good to have youth and students in the House to see today’s proceedings. Welcome to the House. I would like to welcome all visitors in the public gallery here today. Thank you for taking an interest in today’s proceedings.

Item 7, acknowledgements. Item 8, oral questions. Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 68-17(4): Employing Northern Workers

Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are to the Minister of ITI . When the government and the mining companies signed a socio-economic agreement, they made certain targets and priorities. Why aren’t the mining companies reaching the target of hiring northern at 60 percent? They are only at 37 percent. What is the Minister doing to bring up those numbers so the government can hold to account the mining companies on the agreements they signed to operate in the Northwest Territories?

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Question 68-17(4): Employing Northern Workers

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 68-17(4): Employing Northern Workers

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Department of ITI is responsible for the socio-economic agreements that are reached with the mining companies, but responsibility for training programs that the Member is speaking of are the responsibility of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. I work very closely with Minister Lafferty and also with Minister Beaulieu through the Department of Health and Social Services in working with industry to try to find a way to ensure that opportunities for jobs and training accrue to residents here in the Northwest Territories.

We need to certainly do a better job at trying to find a way to get more people employed. It is only working with industry that we are going to be able to make some improvements on the numbers that are out there. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 68-17(4): Employing Northern Workers

Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, in the Sahtu, as I said, the mining companies don’t really hire people outside the Yellowknife area. The Sahtu is very little. We have to go to Deline, Norman Wells, Inuvik or Yellowknife to get on to the workforce. In front of me I have a list of graduates from the Sahtu. There’s 33 graduates, seven from post-secondary and 26 from the high school.

Can the Minister ask the mining industry if they could make up pick-up points in the Sahtu communities further than what they have right now

so that they can increase their mining workforce? We want to go to work. Let’s ask the mining companies to pull up their socks and get going.

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Question 68-17(4): Employing Northern Workers

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. Those discussions have taken place with the mining companies and, certainly, just recently there’s been a real change to the landscape when it comes to the diamond mines here in the Northwest Territories and perhaps even more change there. I think there’s a real opportunity, given what’s happened here, to ensure that pick-up points and people that want to be employed, that want to work at the mines here in the Northwest Territories have that opportunity. It’s certainly advantageous for the mining companies themselves to have a workforce located here in the Northwest Territories and we’re committed to, again, work with industry to see that happen. Thank you.

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Question 68-17(4): Employing Northern Workers

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you. I’d like to know from the Minister, where are the teeth in our socio-economic agreements. The mining companies have agreed to sign on to a target or a number that they’re going to meet once they want to do business in the Northwest Territories. They’ll say yes, we’ll do this, and they sign on, and after three or four years they don’t meet their targets, they’re coming very close to it, but where are the teeth in the socio-economic agreements that would hold them accountable to say you violated your agreement.

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Question 68-17(4): Employing Northern Workers

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. I think it really is a two-way street. Industry certainly signs those agreements in good faith with the Government of the Northwest Territories, but we have to ensure that we have the training and education opportunities for people to get the jobs. There’s also a personal responsibility factor that enters into this and people have to take responsibility for themselves, and I’m talking about the abuse of alcohol and drugs, and that is how we are going to see numbers improve when it comes to people being able to be employed here in the Northwest Territories by industry. Thank you.

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Question 68-17(4): Employing Northern Workers

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 68-17(4): Employing Northern Workers

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That’s where we fall short of supporting our people in the Northwest Territories. If they’re going to fall short and you know it, what programs and treatment opportunities do we have for our people so that we do not label them or blame them for the mining companies falling short?

We’re making excuses for the mining companies. What is this government doing to help our people to increase the number, not only in the Yellowknife area but also looking at the whole Northwest Territories? We should be hiring a lot of people right across the North.

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Question 68-17(4): Employing Northern Workers

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. I’m not here to defend the industry, the mining companies. I think, again, they’ve signed these agreements in good faith. What I’m trying to say is it’s a two-way street. We need to ensure that we have the training, the programs that are available for people and I applaud the work that the Norman Wells Land Corp has taken on themselves in training a workforce there in the Sahtu. But as I mentioned earlier, I work closely with Minister Beaulieu and Minister Lafferty . We understand the challenge. We’re trying to meet that challenge. We meet with the mining presidents on a quarterly basis.

These issues have been raised and I want to assure the Member and this House that we are going to continue to move forward to try to address the concerns that the Member has brought up today. Thank you.

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Question 68-17(4): Employing Northern Workers

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 69-17(4): Nahanni Butte School

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’ve often spoken about schools in our small communities and I’d like to ask the Minister of Education , I had raised the issue about the school in Nahanni Butte, this being an older log structure. I’d like to ask the Minister, has he done any work in evaluating and seeing when they’d look at replacing that school in Nahanni Butte. Thank you.

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Question 69-17(4): Nahanni Butte School

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 69-17(4): Nahanni Butte School

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. This is an area that we are closely monitoring, especially with the small community schools. I did instruct my department to seriously look at those communities, whether it be a log structure and the space capacity and having a one class setting with three or four different grades. So those are areas that we are looking into right now to see what can be done. If there’s going to be some changes, then it would be through the capital planning process the following year. So that’s the area that we continue to push. Every year we go through the capital planning process, so that’s an area that we will be looking at. Mahsi.

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Question 69-17(4): Nahanni Butte School

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much. I guess when we’re looking at replacing the school, there’s lots to be considered. One of the things that can and should work is attaching a new school to the new community gymnasium. I think that would go a long ways towards supporting our education system and our youth, if we attached a new school to the gymnasium. Will the Minister consider that or involve that in the planning that’s going to start this fall? Thank you.

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Question 69-17(4): Nahanni Butte School

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. That is the capital planning process that we need to discuss with the school board and also with the community and my department. Also, with Public Works and Services as we move forward. The capital planning process, there is a protocol that we have to follow and criteria that’s laid out before us, part of the legislation. So, definitely, those are discussions that we need to have, along with other capital projects. Mahsi.

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Question 69-17(4): Nahanni Butte School

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much. I know I’ve spoken on this issue a few times in this House. I’d just like to ask the Minister, once again, how much work has been done, or else do we have to start again and then start working with the community and the education authorities on the Nahanni Butte school. Thank you.

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Question 69-17(4): Nahanni Butte School

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. Since the flooding, there’s been some work in play and we understand that the school was used for the community as well. We have to utilize the school for the students. So we’ll do what we can to have the facility in the best shape we possibly can for the community. Those are the discussions that we need to have for the capital planning process. If we need to identify funding, then we’ll be putting that forward as part of the process of capital planning and then the decision will be made, pending that time. Mahsi.

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Question 69-17(4): Nahanni Butte School

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 69-17(4): Nahanni Butte School

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to invite the Minister over to the community of Nahanni Butte. I think we’re targeting a June date and I’d like to ask the Minister to come over and look at the school himself, and even come and speak to the students at that time as well. Thank you.

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Question 69-17(4): Nahanni Butte School

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. I want to just highlight some of the work that has been earmarked as a scope of work is to look at the washroom fixtures, repairing and painting drywall and different work that has been highlighted. Yes, I’ve already indicated that I’ll be visiting the Member’s riding. There’s an invitation out, so in June, by all means, we’ll be visiting. Mahsi.

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Question 69-17(4): Nahanni Butte School

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Question 70-17(4): Transboundary Water Agreement

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier I commented or at least made the attempt to acknowledge that Idle No More did happen and it continues. I just wanted to highlight the shining example of some of the doable things that this government can do and that’s the transboundary water agreement.

Part of the exercise of the Idle No More movement is that it drew upon the commonalities of bringing two people together: First Nations and the non-indigenous people of the North. The common interest is the environment. So my question is to the Minister of Energy and Natural Resources. In terms of the progress of the transboundary water agreement, where is it going and at what point should we expect the conclusion of those talks? Mahsi.

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Question 70-17(4): Transboundary Water Agreement

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 70-17(4): Transboundary Water Agreement

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The discussions are focused and engaged mainly with Alberta. We had some preliminary meetings, as well, with BC and Saskatchewan, but the Alberta negotiations are the most critical. They are, we believe, within about two meetings away and the next meeting is scheduled for April. So sometime subsequent to that, before fall, we hope to have the negotiators prepared to initial an agreement that will lay out and meet the mandates that they were given from us and from the Alberta government.

Once that’s done, we have to turn our attention to concluding the agreements with BC, Saskatchewan, and we have to look at a rewrite of the Yukon agreement. Mr. Speaker, these are very important. The Alberta agreement will be a bit of a template, we believe, so that the ones with Saskatchewan and BC should not take as long as the Yukon. So that work has been progressing.

Our investment in water is going to be required on an ongoing basis. Then we have to look at monitoring, implementation and doing all this through the hard work of the transboundary negotiating team, as well as we have an Aboriginal Steering Committee that has been intimately involved in this process right from the development of the water strategy, all the way forward to the work that’s currently happening. Thank you.

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Question 70-17(4): Transboundary Water Agreement

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

My follow-up question is the Minister had indicated that more likely there will be a similar effort made in British Columbia. Can we expect a similar template agreement that could result from those discussions, because, of course, the rivers in BC flow into the Liard and into the Deh Cho or the Mackenzie. Is there a similar effort, perhaps in envisioning an end product that’s similar to the transboundary agreement with Alberta? Perhaps we could expect that for BC as well. Mahsi.

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Question 70-17(4): Transboundary Water Agreement

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The Member is correct; the intent is to conclude Alberta, and then move to British Columbia and Saskatchewan, and then up with the Yukon to look at mainly the Peel watershed. So that would be our next step after this. We are doing it sequentially, mainly tied to

capacity and the way the agreed-to work plan that was laid out. It will involve a very similar process. We are going to continue to have full involvement of the Aboriginal Steering Committee and we are going to do all the necessary work, but a lot of the groundwork, the template will have been worked through with Alberta. Thank you.

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Question 70-17(4): Transboundary Water Agreement

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

I think this government has provided solid leadership in bringing to the forefront the water resources that flow from Alberta into the Northwest Territories. I think we have created a path, created leadership and a model, which is what can be done if governments and First Nations work together. Would there be a similar effort, at some point, in terms of offshore water and coming into a management model that could be considered that this government will entertain at some point in terms of the offshore water resources in the Beaufort Sea? Mahsi.

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Question 70-17(4): Transboundary Water Agreement

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

All the related offshore issues tied to devolution will be negotiated and there will be a process triggered once negotiation is signed and implemented. Thank you.

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Question 70-17(4): Transboundary Water Agreement

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Final, short supplementary, Mr. Nadli . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 71-17(4): Reductions To The Mackenzie Valley Land And Water Board

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to follow up on my Member’s statement on the Mackenzie Valley Review Board employees, those six employees that were fired. Mr. Speaker, if I may, the review board is almost like an arm’s length, a bit of a reach on some of the work we do here, but they were unceremoniously fired last week. My question to the Premier is, and I’m going to link towards a devolution type of relationship because they are an agency we depend on.

Would the Premier be willing to look at assisting those employees, those six Yellowknifers that were fired, by putting them on our priority staffing list to ensure they at least have a fair opportunity to help bring forward some of their important expertise to service here in the Government of the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 71-17(4): Reductions To The Mackenzie Valley Land And Water Board

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 71-17(4): Reductions To The Mackenzie Valley Land And Water Board

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Right now the Northwest Territories is the only jurisdiction in Canada that has seen a decrease in population. So, of course, we’d be interested in trying to find ways to have these six people find gainful employment. The MVEIRB is a creature from the federal government and we do have a process for the orderly transfer of employees that will be devolved from the federal government to the

Government of the Northwest Territories. I’d be very interested in contacting these six individuals and trying to find employment for them within the Government of the Northwest Territories. As a matter of fact, I recently checked and I think we have about 100-some vacant positions in Yellowknife right now, so I definitely think we can do something about it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

A perfect answer, Mr. Speaker, a perfect answer.

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Question 71-17(4): Reductions To The Mackenzie Valley Land And Water Board

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Question 72-17(4): Funding For Education Councils

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Can the Minister explain how the department determines the level of funding of the education councils? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 72-17(4): Funding For Education Councils

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 72-17(4): Funding For Education Councils

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. On an annual basis, it’s all based on student enrolment, the formula funding we’ve had in place for quite some time now and we follow that process. The funding goes directly to the school boards and at their discretion, such as how many staff they want to hire, programming in the schools and so forth. So we work closely with the schools at that level. At the end of the day, we provide funding to them based on formula funding of the student enrolment. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 72-17(4): Funding For Education Councils

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Can the Minister explain where we are going to be losing the seven positions in the Beaufort-Delta Education Council?

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Question 72-17(4): Funding For Education Councils

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Again, Mr. Speaker, the Beaufort-Delta, the decision is made at the regional level in the communities. We, as a department, work closely with them as well. As you know, we are going through some changes. We are engaging the communities, stakeholders, on educational renewal and part of that is discussing accountability and the overall school system. So part of the discussion we are going to be having is capturing that line of discussion. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

That was actually my next question. Will the department review its funding formula to recognize the unique needs of the small communities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 72-17(4): Funding For Education Councils

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

A really good question. This is an area that we are undertaking right now. Part of the criteria, the six pillars that we are discussing are small community schools. That would capture that and also the accountability when

it comes to funding. Those are the discussions that we are engaging in. We’re hoping by this fall we’re going to have a product to release to this House and also the general public about what we heard and we want to move forward on. So I‘m glad the Member is raising the profile, because it is part of the discussions as we move forward. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 72-17(4): Funding For Education Councils

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Blake .

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Question 72-17(4): Funding For Education Councils

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

The last question I was going to ask is what was the timeline in which you expect this report to be done. Can we expect these changes for the loss of those positions? Can we assure those teachers who have moved to the Northwest Territories that their positions won’t be lost in the fall? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 72-17(4): Funding For Education Councils

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Teachers are our most valuable asset in the educational system. We’ll do what we can. We also work closely with the NWTTA and BDEC with our department to try to retain those individuals in the communities. We are going through the engagement process now, so my department will be working closely with BDEC, and the NWTTA is also involved at that level. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 72-17(4): Funding For Education Councils

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 73-17(4): Prevention And Promotion Programs For Seniors

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The other day I made a Member’s statement on our seniors and prevention and promotion. When this side of the House asks for dollars to deal with chronic management, we’re not asking for long-term facilities, we’re not asking for beds, we’re not asking for workers to fill those long-term facilities, we’re asking for prevention and promotion program. Programs that are going to keep our elders living an independent lifestyle, promote our language, our culture, and keep those…(inaudible)…alive.

The other day we had the Minister of Human Resources mention that he moved some dollars into Education, Culture and Employment for training and development of our government staff. I’d like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services today if he’d be willing to look at the same option and take some of the dollars in his budget and possibly move it into another department, possibly Municipal and Community Affairs, so that they can start supporting some of these great programs that do great work for our senior citizens, such as the Elders in Motion program, Nordic Walking Program, through the NWT Recreation and Parks Association. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 73-17(4): Prevention And Promotion Programs For Seniors

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 73-17(4): Prevention And Promotion Programs For Seniors

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Any of the budget moves from Health and Social Services or other departments are first vetted through the appropriate committees. We do have a lot of intergovernmental work that goes on right here in this area. Currently, we are trying to work with trying a program that’s run federally, called Aging in Place. That is part of our continuing support for seniors, and that’s just trying to do some health programs and other programs that are needed to keep the people in their homes and prevent them from going into long-term care. Thank you.

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Question 73-17(4): Prevention And Promotion Programs For Seniors

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Over the years, some of these non-government organizations have been operating out of the same budget and they stretch the dollars as far as they can go. I’m asking the Minister, is he willing to commit, should it come from committee, to allocate some of those dollars to these NGOs so they can provide the programs. Like I said, obviously, when we talk chronic disease management, the department thinks of long-term care facilities. We want prevention and promotion programs, and we have a lot of great organizations out there that are running these programs. Is the Minister willing to commit those dollars, should he get a recommendation from committee? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 73-17(4): Prevention And Promotion Programs For Seniors

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

The department has money earmarked into prevention. I could do a presentation, have the department do a presentation to committee in the area that the committee may want to look at moving.

We have met with the NWT Parks and Recreation Association, as an example, and had good discussions, and we support a lot of their initiatives. However, at this point, we have been concentrating on the fact that 40 percent of all our hospitalizations are due to chronic disease, and we’re trying to look at the prevention of the five main diseases that are causing 40 percent of our hospital admissions. So we’re working as a department, but if there is an NGO that would be supportive and we could gain a lot of value from that, we would be pleased to work with them as well. Thank you.

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Question 73-17(4): Prevention And Promotion Programs For Seniors

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, there’s a reason why our hospital admissions are at 40 percent and there’s a way we can stop that by investment into prevention and promotion programs now. We talked about investment this whole last two weeks, and the sooner we do it, the sooner we can drop those numbers down. We don’t want it to rise at all.

In our hospitals we also have some elder day programs. I’m looking at all avenues to protect our senior citizens. Would the Minister look at these elders day programs, do an assessment and look at how we can provide more services, whether

financially or in a staffing situation, so that we can provide more programs, active, independent, traditional, cultural programs for these elders who are able to do these day programs in the hospitals? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 73-17(4): Prevention And Promotion Programs For Seniors

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Part of our overall objective is to create more of the elder day programs. I and the deputy minister have been to Inuvik to look at the Elder Day Program that’s run out of the Beaufort-Delta hospital. We consider it to be very successful. There have been requests from some of the communities up there, and other communities, as well, to run a day program like that so that people who are preventing the elders from moving into long-term care and taking care of them at home, can go to work, and so on, while their elders are in a safe, secure day program. That’s something that we see as a great benefits to government overall.

We are currently looking at that day program and other day programs in the hope of expanding the program and are working in that direction, to expand the program in other communities. Thank you.

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Question 73-17(4): Prevention And Promotion Programs For Seniors

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 73-17(4): Prevention And Promotion Programs For Seniors

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just one last quick question and it comes back to the views of our Beaufort-Delta Leadership Council, and that’s intergovernmental work and how we can work together to be more efficient in the service delivery of our programs and our dollars.

Is the Minister willing to work with the Department of Justice, or even the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, to see how we can work in getting our elders into those departments to promote culture, to promote tradition, to promote values and teachings of on-the-land programs, language in the schools? Is he willing to do that and, if so, what’s the timeline of getting these programs started? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 73-17(4): Prevention And Promotion Programs For Seniors

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, in my role as Minister responsible for Seniors , I would be very pleased to have a discussion with the Minister of Education and the Minister of Justice to see if we can increase the role or add some more responsibility for seniors to go into the schools or into any of the other facilities where there are our people, and see if the elders can assist them and assist the students in the schools, with the culture and whatnot. We’d be pleased to do that. We think that would be important and something that I think has been tried, and I think it’s been proven that it’s a positive thing. I would be pleased to work with the two Ministers to be able to do that. Thank you.

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Question 73-17(4): Prevention And Promotion Programs For Seniors

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 74-17(4): Land Tax Assessment

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We’ve had Members say that answers are excellent. Perfect! We’ve had Ministers say that questions are excellent. Boy, this must be Valentine’s Day.

My questions are for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . As I often start my paragraph, I have an idea. MACA is responsible for assessing the value of improvements and land in all of our communities. As part of that responsibility, they send out assessments to every landowner or leaser on an annual basis.

I would like to ask the Minister what would be involved in including a line on that assessment which would indicate what the previous year’s assessment had been. For this reason: every five years there’s a general reassessment in tax-based municipalities necessarily, then assessments change, they usually go up, unfortunately, sometimes they may go down. But there are opportunities for landowners to appeal assessments, either through a territorial appeal board or a municipal appeal board, but it isn’t something that people always keep right at their fingertips, their previous year’s tax assessment.

If there was one extra line added on a tax assessment indicating the previous year’s, that would trigger to the person receiving the assessment whether or not they wanted to exercise the right to appeal. Could the Minister ask me if that would be possible? Or, ask me… Tell me whether that would be possible. Thank you.

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Question 74-17(4): Land Tax Assessment

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, that was the best Member’s statement I’ve heard all day.

---Laughter

And I would like to ask the Member if that is possible.

No, the Member makes a good point. It is one that I will explore with the department to see. It is very simple. It is actually a good idea to have the number from the previous year. I will explore that and see if we can get that included on the assessments that go out to clients. Thank you.

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Question 74-17(4): Land Tax Assessment

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, that is an excellent answer. I pay taxes in more than the Northwest Territories, so I can tell you that in other jurisdictions, this is a practice. I am sure it would require some change in the software that produces the tax assessments and so on.

Would it be possible for the Minister to perhaps have his department do a little inter-jurisdictional research to see how this is carried out, how this is accomplished in other jurisdictions? Thank you.

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Question 74-17(4): Land Tax Assessment

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, we will commit to the Members that we will do a bit of

research. If there is a slight upgrade we need to make, I think this is a good idea that would work for those out there. I do pay taxes, too, and I don’t have an opportunity to see what I was assessed at last year. We will explore that, and do a little bit of research and see if we can implement it here in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Question 74-17(4): Land Tax Assessment

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 75-17(4): Degree-Granting Program In Business Administration

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . My statement today dealt with the appeal from the Aurora College second year business administration students for the reintroduction of a degree-granting program. What action has the Minister taken to investigate and respond to this very positive suggestion? Mahsi.

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Question 75-17(4): Degree-Granting Program In Business Administration

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 75-17(4): Degree-Granting Program In Business Administration

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. When we first heard of and also received information from the students, we passed it on to the college immediately because the programming falls on the college campuses. We encouraged them that they need to explore those areas, how we can best deliver this programming. It is not only business, there is also social work that grants a degree program that the students have asked me, I believe it was two or three years ago here in this building. From there, we have been working on that as well.

Those are just some of the areas that I need to work closely with the college and to potentially deliver a degree-granting program here in the Northwest Territories.

I do agree; we need to have those students here attend our own campuses. There are a lot of benefits involved in that. We will continue to make that dialogue with the college. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I appreciate the comments from the Minister. I appreciate his direction to college to get after this. The president of Aurora College was quoted in media, saying that the past three-year Aurora College programs were withdrawn because of some bumps in keeping them. I know that is the business of the college, but I am wondering if the Minister would know what those bumps are and what action is being taken to clear them away. Mahsi.

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Question 75-17(4): Degree-Granting Program In Business Administration

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

With any program delivery through the colleges, there are always challenges, whether it be enrolment or the programming itself. There are all kinds of

challenges that we’re faced with. We have to get through those barriers, those obstacles that may be in the way. That is what we are doing right now. We are discussing how to best get around that, to deliver those degree-granting programs here in the Northwest Territories. That is what we want to see. That is what I would like to see, as Minister responsible, and to have university-granting programing here in the Northwest Territories.

Our North is booming and we need to have those highly skilled people with the qualification as a professional in the Northwest Territories to be retained in the Northwest Territories. That is what we are pushing with the college and other sectors, as well, through our partners in southern institutions too. Mahsi.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

The Minister and I are on the same page there. We really would like to keep these students here, and engaged, and up working here as opposed to getting jobs elsewhere by going to schools down south.

The level of student commitment is indicated by the fact that, although 87 percent of the students are parents, they are making education a priority and juggling their parenting jobs and studies to get ahead. Forcing these students to leave their home territory for these advanced studies would be yet another burden. We want them to stay here, as we have said.

Will the Minister commit to report to committee on options for reintroducing three-year programming – I assume he will work with the college on that – and, specifically, plans for creating a degree-granting business administration program this fall.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

As I have stated, those are the areas that we are currently exploring with the president, college staff and the Board of Governors. Like the Member, I do not want to see those parents going elsewhere, but here in the Northwest Territories to get educated. We will do what we can to deliver those programs.

Right now we have a diploma program. Obviously, third and fourth year are down in southern institutions with our partners. We will see what we can do to deliver that effectively and immediately in the Northwest Territories. The fall may not be an appropriate time, but definitely that is our target to push this forward and deliver that as soon as possible here in the Northwest Territories if it all works. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 75-17(4): Degree-Granting Program In Business Administration

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 75-17(4): Degree-Granting Program In Business Administration

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks again to the Minister. Yes, with 30-some students in second year, I think