Debates of June 26th, 1992

This is page numbers 788 - 804 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was board .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Assent To Bills

Special Approaches, Local Government

Report Of The Special Advisor On Gender Equality

Northwest Territories Canada Day Awards

Taxpayers' Money Going Directly To Registered Social Institutions

Possible Alternative Use Of New Legislative Assembly Building

Not Supporting Motion To Discipline Ministers

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Question O667-12(2): Elizabeth Ward School Average

Question O668-12(2): Daily Loss Figures From Expo '92

Question O669-12(2): Correct Tender Procedures Re Food Catering Contract

Question O670-12(2): Assurance That Tender Calls Will Not Be Changed To Proposal Calls

Question O671-12(2): Upgrading Water Reservoir, Lake Harbour

Question O672-12(2): Policy On Walk-in Freezers

Question O673-12(2): Progress Report On Kakisa School

Question O674-12(2): Cabinet Consideration Of Nunavut Political Accord

Question O675-12(2): Status Of Ice Crossing Between Hay River And Reserve

Question O676-12(2): Progress Re Airline Travel Points Strategy

Question O677-12(2): Progress Re Travel Points Accrual Scheme

Question O678-12(2): Reimbursement To Lake Harbour Hamlet For Expenses Incurred Re Construction Of Housing Authority Office

Question O679-12(2): Hay River Ice Crossing

Question O680-12(2): Martselos Services Versus Arctic College

Question O681-12(2): Access Road To Hay River Reserve

Question O682-12(2): Rejection Of Teacher Education Program Proposal, Beaufort-delta

Question O683-12(2): Interest Group Involvement In Triministerial Group Of Health, Social Services And Education

Question O684-12(2): Casino In New Legislative Assembly Building

Question O685-12(2): Policing And Clean-up Of Fort Providence Access Road

Question O686-12(2): Services Provided To Arctic College By Legal Division

Question O687-12(2): Status Of Akaitcho Hall Advisory Board

Question W45-12(2): Teaching And Administrative Positions Filled By Aboriginal People

Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

Committee Report 15-12(2): Report Of The Standing Committee On Rules Procedures And Privileges, Interim Report

Committee Report 16-12(2): Report Of Standing Committee On Agencies, Boards And Commissions On Final Report On The Workers' Compensation Board

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Hon. James Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Mr. Bernhardt , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Mr. Ningark , Hon. Dennis Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Todd , Hon. Tony Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 788

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Good morning. I have been advised that Her Honour, the Deputy Commissioner of the Northwest Territories is prepared to assent to certain bills this morning. Mr. Clerk, would you ascertain if the Deputy Commissioner is prepared to enter the Chamber and assent to bills?

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Assent To Bills

Assent To Bills

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Deputy Commissioner

Mrs. Maksagak

Please be seated. Mr. Speaker and Members of the Legislative Assembly, as Deputy Commissioner of the Northwest Territories, I hereby assent to Bill 2,

An Act to Amend the Engineering Geological and Geophysical Professions Act ; Bill 3,

An Act to Amend the Medical Care Act ; Bill 6, Purchasing Management Association Act ; Bill 18,

An Act to Amend the Young Offenders Act ; Bill 19,

An Act to Amend the Real Estate Agents' Licensing Act ; Bill 20,

An Act to Amend the Nursing Profession Act ; Bill 28,

An Act Respecting Interim Appropriations for the Government of the Northwest Territories for the Fiscal Year Ending March 31, 1993, No. 2 ; Bill 29, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1992-93 ; Bill 30,

An Act to Amend the Workers' Compensation Act. Thank you.

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Assent To Bills

Assent To Bills

Page 788

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Please be seated. Item 2 on the order paper, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 79-12(2): Special Approaches, Local Government

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Public Works uses several special approaches to make sure the local people are able to benefit from the construction of GNWT facilities. I would like to mention a few.

This year, a construction worker training program will be included in the construction of the Pangnirtung community learning centre, the Coppermine health centre renovations, the Coppermine community learning centre, the Baker Lake group home and the Fort Simpson student hostels. For each project, at least two workers will participate in construction trades training. The program has been developed by the NWT Construction Association with funding from Public Works, MACA, the Housing Corporation and Education. The construction worker training program will increase the number of Northerners with the recognized skills required for most NWT construction projects.

For two other projects, the construction of fire halls in Fort Resolution and Aklavik, construction management services will be contracted. The use of construction management services is a first step in community economic development and is appropriate when community businesses are very interested in construction activities but do not have the experience to manage a complete project. Construction managers assist with training and development of local businesses and ensure maximum use of local labour.

For some communities, where business activity is more established, DPW, with the approval of cabinet, will negotiate a construction contract. Negotiated contracts require the use of local labour and give developing contractors valuable business experience.

Construction activities benefit many Northerners. DPW will continue to find ways to ensure the capital projects managed by the department result in local benefits of training, employment and business development. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 79-12(2): Special Approaches, Local Government

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Ministers' statements. Mr. Patterson .

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Minister's Statement 80-12(2): Report Of The Special Advisor On Gender Equality

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time today, I will be tabling the report of the special advisor on gender equality. In December 1990, Katherine Peterson was given a 16-month mandate to examine criminal justice and family law In the NWT and to recommend changes that would make the justice system more responsive to women.

In the preparation of this report, the special advisor travelled to all regions of the NWT to conduct public workshops and public meetings. A broad variety of women and men of all ages participated in this process. The special advisor also met with representatives of agencies involved in the administration of justice including the RCMP, Crown prosecutors, members of the judiciary and officials from the Departments of Justice and Social Services.

This report is the result of these extensive consultations. It contains 90 recommendations covering many areas and directed at various departments and institutions. I would like at this time to thank the special advisor for her excellent work.

The report is entitled 'The Justice House." The title refers to a metaphor used by the special advisor in her public meetings. If the justice system is conceived of as a house, it can be seen that, like any house, it is a product of its architects. In this case, the architects over the centuries were primarily white males. Women and aboriginal peoples were not consulted in the design of this house.

This report is all about treating women with respect. It is about acknowledging their needs, listening to their voices and acting on their concerns. It is about making certain that issues that are important to women do not continue to got ignored. As the report points out, women and issues that are important to them have often been ignored in the past; ignored in policies, in legislation, in structures and in the allotment of resources.

Implementation of recommendations will require a long-term commitment on the part of the government and of other agencies involved in the administration of justice. Many recommendations involve a number of different agencies and will require a large degree of co-operation and co-ordination. Many recommendations are directed at agencies outside this government. These will be passed on to those agencies with every encouragement to receive the recommendations favourably. As my department addresses the issues, we will encourage dialogue with interested individuals and organizations.

It will not, of course, be forgotten that now resources are difficult to come by in this time of restraint, both for this government and for most other agencies.

The question of how women are treated in the justice system must be seen in the context of widespread violence in our society that is directed toward women. This unacceptable situation is finally getting the attention it deserves, not just in this report, but in other forums as well. The report recommends a large-scale public awareness campaign aimed at changing attitudes about violence against women.

Some of the most important recommendations of the report concern the provision of services to victims of crime. Appropriately, it is recommended that the mandate of such services be established by the communities themselves. This approach is consistent with the direction my department is taking in the area of community justice initiatives. The department will explore means of providing assistance to communities in meeting their goals and aspirations, and will not impose solutions on the communities. In particular, we recognize the importance of hearing from a broad spectrum of women when we are pursuing avenues of change in the administration of justice.

Alternatives to the current justice system must develop as the result of co-operation between the communities and the government and as the result of the expressed desire of a community to assume responsibilities in this area. We must proceed with due caution and with a large measure of creativity as we look for ways to satisfy needs and remain fiscally responsible.

Another area in which the report contains substantial recommendations is that of training and education for those directly involved in the justice system. Again, this is an area that will require extensive consultation and co-operation with other departments and agencies involved. My department is currently initiating discussions on these matters with other departments.

The report identifies a great need across the Territories for public legal education so that people may better understand the justice system and how it affects them. The report also contains specific suggestions on how to make the justice system fairer by making it more easily available to more people. A number of these suggestions can be implemented in relatively short order, and my officials are working on them now. An example of this is ensuring that common-law spouses can obtain support from their former partners.

Mr. Speaker, this report contains many recommendations. Some of them may be acted upon quickly. Others will require extensive consultation and co-operation. A third group does not fall within the jurisdiction of this government but will be passed on to the appropriate agencies.

This government is committed to addressing shortcomings in the justice system where it fails to meet the aspirations of Northerners, both men and women from all cultures. With this report we have an important tool to help us achieve the goal of ensuring that the administration of justice in the Northwest Territories responds to the needs of women. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 80-12(2): Report Of The Special Advisor On Gender Equality

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Ministers' statements. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Koe .

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Northwest Territories Canada Day Awards

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to announce the Northwest Territories Canada Day youth awards. Canada Day, July 1, is approaching and events have been planned and will be held in most communities in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, today, as a committee member for the Northwest Territories Canada Day, I would like to announce that 10 young people from across the Territories were nominated for the 1992 Canada Day youth award, which was open to youth 18 years of age and under. The award is designed to recognize and reinforce the outstanding achievements and contributions of young people to their communities and, by extension, to the betterment of Canada. Nominations by sponsors of the youth, ranging in age from 15 to 17 years, were based on a criteria of community participation, promotion of Canadian values and environmental initiatives.

The 10 young people receiving the 1992 Canada Day youth award certifications are as follows: Naomi Antoine, Fort Simpson; Renanne Lafferty, Fort Simpson; Monique Reason, Fort Simpson; Kim Duong, Fort Simpson; Jacqueline Shouldice, Rankin Inlet; Terra Ward, Yellowknife; Stephen Mathison, Yellowknife; Chris O'Sullivan, Yellowknife; Trish Lange, Yellowknife; and Cygni Sumcad, Yellowknife. Presentations to these youth will be made at Canada Day ceremonies in Fort Simpson, Rankin Inlet and Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate these people on receiving these awards, and I encourage all of you and everyone listening to participate in Canada Day celebrations. Qujannamiik and mahsi.

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Northwest Territories Canada Day Awards

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Taxpayers' Money Going Directly To Registered Social Institutions

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have heard over the last couple of weeks about the real concern of the commitment of this government to our social network. There is a concern that maybe the commitment this government has made to social services is on the decline. I would like to point out, Mr. Speaker, that when that happens there is a greater burden placed upon the public to raise the necessary funds for these non-government organizations to carry on their work. I am convinced that many of our non-government organizations can provide a service which, if the government were providing it, would cost twice or three times as much.

In that vein, Mr. Speaker, I would like to make a suggestion to the government. Because we know we can get a better bang for our buck in many instances when local organizations run programs, and since there is a real disaffection throughout the country about what the government does with the money that is given to it through taxes, would the Minister of Finance consider an option whereby individuals can get 100 per cent tax deduction for a contribution to a registered social institution in the Northwest Territories?

Instead of giving that $100 or $200 to this government, they give it directly to the organization that they know can give them three or four times the value for that dollar than this government can.

I am not suggesting our government is bad. All I am suggesting is that if you really want to encourage social agencies to do the work that they are increasingly asked to take on, our government should assist that I know it will result in a loss of revenue to our government, but we do it for political contributions. Every now and again an election comes up and you can get 100 per cent deduction for that contribution made to that campaign. I am suggesting the government look at that to empower people to put their money where they know they will get good value for it. Thank you.

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Taxpayers' Money Going Directly To Registered Social Institutions

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 790

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Possible Alternative Use Of New Legislative Assembly Building

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about the new Legislative Assembly building, a beautiful model which is displayed in the foyer outside. Mr. Speaker, as you know, and all of you know, I have been a staunch supporter of this project since its inception, although not quite for the purpose it was designed for. My original idea for this building was a sort of a "Club Leg" for the people of Whale Cove and other small communities. When the building is not being used, we could fly all the people in from the communities and they could have a nice three-week vacation in the building.

They would have running water, hot showers and a nice little lake in the back to go hunting and fishing. I hosted the Mayor of Whale Cove in the capital this week, and he seemed quite receptive to the idea. However, the Minister of Finance convinced me that we just could not afford to fly all these people in, given the current travel restrictions. I must say, Mr. Speaker, I concur with the Minister's wise counsel on this issue.

Mr. Speaker, I then got to thinking about a way we could turn this sucker into a sure-fired money-maker, and I think I have come up with the answer. I would note that this suggestion fits right in with the work of the standing committee on finance, of which I am chairman. In the fall and winter, we could continue to use the building for sessions, committee meetings and the like, but in the spring and in the summer we could convert the building into a four star resort and gambling casino.

If the Members take a close look at the model and plans for this building, they would see that conversion could be done for a minimum of expense. There are already enough rooms to accommodate 200, and the chairmen and committee rooms can serve nicely as games rooms. If you look closely at the Clerk's table, it is already shaped like a blackjack table.

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In the model, there is already a Porche parked outside. Instead of Bally's Resort and Casino I propose we call it "Ballantyne's Resort and Casino". In my plan, Mr. Speaker, we could have the best of two worlds; the seat of government for the NWT and a sure-fired money-maker. You know, after 10 or 15 years, we might even pay for it. Mr. Speaker, thank God it is Friday!

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Possible Alternative Use Of New Legislative Assembly Building

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 790

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Todd . I am not sure if the word "sucker" is a proper parliamentary expression, but I assume you are referring to a species of fish. Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Not Supporting Motion To Discipline Ministers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wanted to provide a little comfort to the other side, not too much comfort to the other side. Yesterday my honourable colleague, Henry Zoe , repeated over and over the accountability of Ministers for every dollar they spend. I believe that, Mr. Speaker, but I would also like to inform the House where I stand today. I feel, Mr. Speaker, that our colleagues on the other side should be given a chance to put things together. We have not given them enough time to really know where they stand or where they are going to be in the next six months.

Therefore, I will not be supporting any motion - this is my stand, mine alone - that is put to the floor to recommend that the Government Leader discipline a Minister or Ministers. I will leave that up to the capacity of the Government Leader herself. Unless the cabinet Members knowingly and intentionally - what was that four letter word - foul up, Mr. Speaker, I will not be supporting any motion to discipline the Ministers. Thank you.

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Not Supporting Motion To Discipline Ministers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 790

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Return To Question O663-12(2): Update On Review Of Fuel Purchasing

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Lewis on June 25 regarding an update of review on fuel purchasing. 100/130 aviation fuel is sold to operators of piston driven aircraft. This fuel product is the only leaded product sold by the revolving fund and, from an environmental perspective, leaded products are not recommended. Consumption of this fuel has decreased dramatically in the last two years.

On May 22, 1992, the director of petroleum products wrote to all aviation companies that operate in the North, indicating the significant decline in sales of this fuel. He asked if it would be possible to phase out stocking this product over the next two years. He also indicated that because sales are down, some of the current inventory will "go off* specifications and may have to be written off. Two companies responded to the letter. Because of their concerns, this initiative has been deferred for the time being.

Sales will continue to be monitored over the next few years and other options to supplying and storing 100/130 will be explored over the coming fiscal year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Question O663-12(2): Update On Review Of Fuel Purchasing

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Returns to oral questions. Mr. Allooloo .

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Further Return To Question O664-12(2): Assessment Of Students By Health Social Services And Education

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Antoine on June 25, 1992, with respect to the assessment of students by Health, Social Services and Education. The Departments of Health, Social Services and Education have provided a tri-ministry

committee on services to children with information which they have received from parents, advocacy groups and school boards on the need for specialized services, including assessment. The committee is now meeting directly with some of the health and social services professionals who provide specialized services. It has also met with one advocacy group.

Information from boards and divisional boards of education on the levels of support services to their students will be available to the committee in a report currently being prepared for the Department of Education by a consultant. The Department of Education has also developed a data base to collect information on the needs of students. This will be used to more accurately identify the needs for services.

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Return To Question O662-12(2): Approved Financial Assistance For Educational Leave Applicants

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Mr. Speaker, I have a further return to a question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on June 25. All 26 new applicants for the education leave program for 1992-93 were refused. All 14 applicants enroled in 1991-92 in post-secondary programs and receiving education leave were approved to continue to receive education leave. This represents 100 per cent approval of continuing students for 1992-93.

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Further Return To Question O634-12(2): Factors Considered In Advancement Of Children In Schools

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

I have a further response to an oral question asked by Mr. Gargan on June 25, further to my return to Question O634-12(2) on June 25, 1992. It is not the policy or the practice of schools in the Deh Cho Divisional Board to hold students back for their size or age. I would advise parents in Fort Providence, who are concerned that this practice might be occurring, to discuss their concerns with their children's teacher and principal, and the director of the Deh Cho Divisional Board of Education if they wish. I encourage these parents to meet with their children's teachers when schools open again in August. Parents must be involved in their children's education for children to succeed.

The Member for Deh Cho also asked for a list of all students who have not progressed in school since 1986. The names of students are considered confidential, but I can provide the Member with promotion rates by grade since 1986. In 1985-86, 79 per cent of students were promoted. In 1987-88, 80 per cent of students were promoted; and in 1988-89, 84.5 per cent of students were promoted. By 1989-90, 86 per cent of students in NWT schools were promoted. Figures for 1986-87 are not available.

A table with more detailed information on promotion rates has been provided directly to the Member asking the question, the MLA for Deh Cho, Mr. Gargan . Thank you.

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Further Return To Question O634-12(2): Factors Considered In Advancement Of Children In Schools

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Returns to oral questions. Mr. Pollard .

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Return To Question O618-12(2): Action Taken On Pipeline Spill

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have two returns, Mr. Speaker, one asked by Mr. Gargan on June 23, 1992. It concerned a spill on the pipeline. Late on May 4, a spill was detected on the IPL pipeline 25 kilometres north of Fort Simpson. The oil escaped from the underground pipeline through a pin-sized hole. The spill was estimated to be two cubic meters and covered an area measuring approximately six meters by six meters. The spill was contained on the IPL right-of-way by sandbags and absorbent material, restricting contamination to the immediate area of the leak.

The National Energy Board is the lead agency responsible for investigation of the spill. Follow-up by board officials is continuing.

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Further Return To Question O592-12(2): Policy For Tender And Proposal Calls

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, in response to a question asked by Mrs. Marie Jewell on June 22, 1992, concerning policy for tender and proposal calls: Mr. Speaker, contracts are entered into pursuant to the requirements of the Financial Administration Act and the government contract regulations that have been established in accordance with that act.

The two primary processes for entering into contracts are tenders and requests for proposals. With tenders, the exact requirements of the contract are known and are specified to interested parties in advance of the bids being made. The contract is awarded to the party that has tendered the lowest bid. As the lowest bid is the single deciding factor, the value of each bid is announced at the time of the public bid opening.

With requests for proposals, certain requirements cannot be pro-determined and outlined to the interested parties. Instead, a number of published criteria are used to evaluate the bids. Points are awarded in relation to those criteria, and the firm with the most points is awarded the contract. The dollar value of the bid is always one of the criteria. However, as it is only one of a number of criteria, the dollar value is not announced at the time the bids are publicly opened.

Variances from standard government contracting procedures do arise on an occasional basis, and are dealt with in accordance with the directions of the contracting officers from the Departments of Finance, Government Services and Justice. However, both the tender and request for proposal process cannot be used in the same contracting exercise. Once the decision has been made to use one of the two processes, the entire exercise is to be completed using the chosen process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Return To Question O583-12(2): Contract For Group Home Services In Cambridge Bay

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Bernhardt on June 19, contract for group home services in Cambridge Bay. Mr. Speaker, the proposal call for group home operators closed on April 27, 1992. On May 7, 1992, the regional proposal review committee met to review the proposals received from Ivik Enterprises, Garrells/Walsh and Emkay North Services.

Each proposal was reviewed using the criteria and rating system as outlined in the Department of Social Services' contract manual which governs administration of the contracting process for the department and is based on the Government of the Northwest Territories' contract regulations. Government Services had a representative on the regional proposal review committee.

There are several criteria used to establish points to evaluate each proposal. The proposals from Garrells/Walsh and Emkay North Services were weak on all criteria and, in particular, did not address treatment methods which were identified in the terms of reference for the proposal call. This is necessary to provide proper care for children with the types of problems that bring them into care and into this group home. Ivik Enterprises addressed all aspects of programs for troubled children in care including self-help, life skills, social development and daily living skills.

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Return To Question O601-12(2): Social Implications Of Great Whale Hydro Project

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I have another reply to a question asked by Mr. Arngna'naaq on June 22 on the social impact of the Great Whale project. The issue of potential social impacts resulting from the proposed Great Whale hydro development project has been considered by the Department of Social Services. Having seen the impact of the James Bay project on the Cree and Inuit of northern Quebec, we are particularly sensitive to the possibility of harmful changes occurring in several NWT communities. While the most potentially devastating effects are, as I said last year, environmental, we cannot afford to overlook the risk of negative socio-economic impacts as well.

Consequently, although the department does not yet have the resources to conduct an independent socio-economic impact study, staff are monitoring the work undertaken by the various agencies already involved in the assessment review process. We will also be working actively with other government departments involved in the intervention process and with the affected communities, to help minimize any potential impact. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Further Return To Question O649-12(2): Block Funding For Capital Projects

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a return to a question asked by Mr. Lewis on June 25, sewage lift station, City of Yellowknife. For the 1992-93 fiscal year, the City of Yellowknife had requested capital funding of approximately one million dollars for the construction of a sewage lift station in the Frame Lake South area of the city. It was not possible for the Government of the Northwest Territories to accommodate this particular item in the 1992-93 capital plan.

The city has gone ahead and financed the project out of other funding sources because It regarded the project as urgent and seeks recovery of the funding from the GNWT in future years. The department recognizes the importance of the project to the overall system of water and sanitation infrastructure in the city, and undertook to reflect the project funding in the 1993-94 capital plan.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

There are six electrical inspectors in the NWT. The distribution of inspectors is: one electrical inspector in Inuvik to inspect all of the Inuvik Region; one electrical inspector in Iqaluit to inspect all of the Baffin Region; one electrical inspector in Hay River to perform inspections south of Great Slave Lake; two electrical inspectors in Yellowknife, as well as the chief inspector.

One of the two electrical inspectors is designated as the elevator inspector for the entire NWT; however, approximately 20 per cent of his time is devoted to general inspections in the Kitikmeot and Keewatin Regions, as well as electrical inspections in and around the Yellowknife area and in other regions as required.

There has been no decrease in the numbers of inspectors in the electrical/elevator safety

section of the safety division over the past year.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

The clinical services program is a very small mobile team of professionals providing assessment and counselling services for troubled youth and their families

Also, as MLAs have recently established a special committee on health and social services and since consideration is being given to amalgamation of the departments, it would be premature to consider decentralizing a service currently under review, before the options for possibly strengthening the service have even been considered.

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Ludy Pudluk

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Question O667-12(2): Elizabeth Ward School Average

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Education . In his return, the Minister indicated the amount of students that were promoted. He also gave me a list of the NWT average. The average that the Minister gave me, 78 per cent in 1986; 80 per cent in 1988, and so on. I would like to ask the Minister if this average he has given me is a territorial average, or is that the Elizabeth Ward School average?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a territorial average.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Could the Minister provide me with the Elizabeth Ward School average since 1986?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.

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Mr. Dent .

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Question O668-12(2): Daily Loss Figures From Expo '92

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This question is for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . Yesterday the Minister tabled a document with actual figures showing how operations were proceeding at Expo '92 as of May 31. Included in that document there was a cash flow projection that showed a daily loss of $342 projected. Could the Minister advise if this figure has been achieved during the month of June to date?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, approximately, yes.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure how close 'approximately* means, but I guess there is a real concern that this operation might turn into a severe lose of money for the NWT. Could the Minister advise that he recognizes the seriousness of the potential loss here, and will commit to this House that he will attend Expo as soon as possible to review the operations to ensure that the loss is kept to the absolute minimum?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, when I say "approximately" - - I receive the daily sales figures from Expo, each day by fax, but the other accounting, the salaries, the other expenses that Expo incurs, takes longer to come because it is sent over through the finance

section of Economic Development and Tourism, so that is why I say "approximately." I know from the daily sales figures, and I know approximately what they are expending, but it is the same kind of numbers as May, maybe improving slightly.

With regard to whether I know what the potential loss is there, I am very well aware of the potential loss, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we went into it knowing that if we did not go into it and did not proceed with the fair, that the loss would be a minimum of $2.5 million not counting liabilities and potential court cases. We are,iIn fact, more than $2.5 million at the present time. I am well aware of that, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, will I go to Expo - I have a very busy schedule, Mr. Speaker - if it is absolutely necessary. I will advise the House, though, that I have dispatched one of the staff from Economic Development and Tourism, Mr. Kit Spence, who was an architect of this particular fair. Mr. Spence has met with myself and all the directors who are involved in the various aspects of the exposition. He has taken their concerns into consideration and has taken the verbal report that we received from Mr. Nerysoo into consideration. I have instructed Mr.

Spence to go there to try to resolve some of those problems and report back to the deputy minister, and hence to myself, as soon as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is some concern that the NWT project at Expo is not performing financially as well as it was expected to. I wonder if the Minister could advise if we have people on staff who have extensive experience at running retail operations or retail restaurant operations.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, we do have experienced managers there in the arts and crafts area and also in the food and retail area. Yes, they have quite considerable experience in that regard.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Member for Thebacha .

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Question O669-12(2): Correct Tender Procedures Re Food Catering Contract

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask a question to the Minister of Education . Mr. Speaker, I have asked over the time of our session with respect to a tender bid, or a tender call, regarding Arctic College catering food services contract On May 25, there was a notice for an invitation to tender. The Minister of Education has stated in this House, on June 20, that this tender was not considered a tender once it was opened. It was considered a proposal call.

However, the Minister of Finance has, to date, told me that the contract with tenders, the exact requirement for contracts is to be known and specified to interested parties, and the contract is awarded to the party that has tendered the lowest bid, As the lowest bid is the single deciding factor, the value of each bid is announced at the time of the public bid opening.

I would like to ask the Minister of Education why the tender procedures were not used when opening the bid for tender call regarding the cafeteria food services at Arctic College. Thank you.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I stated in this House, on the advice of the experts, the people who deal with the contract openings and awards in the Department of Government Services, the college was advised, because of the criteria set out in the tender, that this should be treated as a proposal. Ever since the Member has questioned me on this topic, I have directed the college that this should be treated as a tender, as it was advertised. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, can I ask the Minister of Education if he is indicating to this House that the proper policy procedures and the procedures in respect to the Financial Administration Act were not followed through in this particular tender call?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Perhaps the Minister of Finance could answer that question.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, as I understand it,

there were four bids received in this regard. The bids were duly opened. At the time that they were opened by the person opening them, an error was made and they considered them to be a proposal call because of the way the documents looked. Consequently, the numbers were not announced at that tender opening. Because there was an error made and because you cannot change a tender call into a proposal call or vice versa, there was a meeting between Justice, Government Services, Finance and Arctic College.

It was decided that the only error was one of omission in announcing the numbers at that particular tender opening. So each of the tenderers was advised of the numbers, and there was a selection made from one of those tenderers. So it did not change from a tender call into a proposal call, although we freely admit that an error was made at tender opening when the numbers were not announced.

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Supplementary, Member for Thebacha .

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Question O670-12(2): Assurance That Tender Calls Will Not Be Changed To Proposal Calls

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 794

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the honesty in respect to addressing this issue because there has been a problem in regard to it. Can I get assurance from the Minister of Finance , the Minister of Justice , the Minister of Government Services , and from the Government Leader that, in future, any invitation to tender by this government will not be changed and considered as proposal calls after the bids have been opened?

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Page 794

John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, that assurance is given. I might point out that the same kind of problem was experienced with Arctic College in the Baffin. At that time, and this was after the Fort Smith issue, because the tenders had not been opened, the tender was quashed and it will be going out to tender again. So there was another error that was stopped, and everybody will be treated fairly. But the Member has our commitment that there will be no flip-flopping back and forth between proposal and tender calls and vice versa.

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Question O671-12(2): Upgrading Water Reservoir, Lake Harbour

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 794

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . In Lake Harbour, our water reservoir has been a problem for quite a long time. There has been some plans to improve the reservoir. In the springtime it gets hard to got water from It because it gets muddy. Does the Minister have any plans for the improvement of the water reservoir or upgrading of the pipes to the deep end of the lake?

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Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I will take the question as notice.

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The question is taken as notice. Mr. Gargan .

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Question O672-12(2): Policy On Walk-in Freezers

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 794

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have about three files here with questions and note the responses I have not received. But I was dealing with other things that I had neglected in representing my constituency. However, I apologize to my constituents for that. I would like to ask the Government Leader with regard to a motion that was passed December 12th of last year regarding the walk-in freezer for Kakisa. At that time, the department indicated that there was going to be a policy that would be developed by MACA, DPW and Renewable Resources to come up with a way to address that issue. Is a policy now in place on how communities can got walk-in freezers or freezers?

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Ludy Pudluk

Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, over the years we have developed many policies on freezer allocation to communities and who is going to be responsible. Another policy has been developed; however, we are trying to work It into the budget because there is a cost implication to that. So the Department of Renewable Resources is looking at the policy that has come forward at this time and to see how that can be worked into the budget for this fall. Presently, the Department of Public Works has a budget for $936,000 per year and $19,500 per community freezer. This is for the operation and maintenance of the community freezers that presently exist.

As part of reassessing the community freezer program, other ways of using this money will be, for example, turning over to the hunters' and trappers' associations, band councils, or the appropriate agencies to maintain community freezers, or It could be used to purchase chest-type freezers or discontinue the use of large-scale community freezers.

So because of the cost implications, the last policy proposal that was put forward had quite extensive cost implications. So we are trying to work it into other alternatives and what people can handle within a budget. So yes, we are developing it. A policy was developed and the cost implications are being examined to see if we can deliver It to communities. From time to time, particularly in small communities, it may be appropriate, for example, rather than building a community freezer, to allow the community to have a certain amount of funds so that each individual can purchase a very large chest-type freezer.

These are the cost implications that we are struggling with right now. Yes, it is an active file and we would like to see it through, but with what we came up with the last time, there were a lot of cost implications as a community freezer.

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Question O673-12(2): Progress Report On Kakisa School

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 794

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, 12 days before Christmas there was a motion passed by Mr. Lewis with regard to a request for a small school to be built in the community of Kakisa. Mr. Speaker, the Government Leader has already made a commitment in the community capital plan process, and one of the requirements is for communities to make motions on their priorities. One of the priorities is for a small school for the settlement of Kakisa, and the settlement passed a motion to request a small school. I would like to ask the Minister of Education if he would tell me what the progress is on that.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The school for Kakisa will go into the capital planning process. Thank you.

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Question O674-12(2): Cabinet Consideration Of Nunavut Political Accord

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 795

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs . Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that the negotiators for the GNWT, the federal government and TFN have reached agreement on a political accord pursuant to

Article 4 of the Nunavut final claim. As I understand it, this accord has yet to receive the approval of this cabinet. Could the Minister tell the House when this political accord is expected to go to cabinet for consideration?

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Ludy Pudluk

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I think that as soon as this session is over, we can start to make some plans about taking care of some business like the accord and have a realistic plan as to when we can bring It to the attention of cabinet I am unable to give you an exact time and date, but I think it would be in July.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 795

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, wherever we think we have some basis to recover costs or to have the federal government cover costs of initiatives, we do that. It is also understood, politically, that in areas where we have responsibility and where we take initiatives, that we have to accept some of the costs ourselves. As to the exact nature of who is going to pay for what in this process, I am not able at this time to give you details. Thank you.

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Question O675-12(2): Status Of Ice Crossing Between Hay River And Reserve

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 795

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Transportation . There is an ice crossing between Hay River and the Hay River Reserve beside the bridge that is used by the RCMP, ambulance, Housing Corporation, and the public. Everybody seems to agree that the crossing provides immediate access to the Reserve and it is merited, but they seem to be dumping all the responsibility of maintaining the road on the Hay River Reserve. I would like to ask the Minister whether the ice crossing between Hay River and the Reserve is considered a public access road.

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The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Mr. Gargan , could you indicate again which Minister you were directing your question to.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

My question was directed to the Minister of Transportation .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will look into the problem for the Member. Thank you.

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Question O676-12(2): Progress Re Airline Travel Points Strategy

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 795

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier . Mr. Speaker, on December 12, 1991, the Premier responded to a question I had asked indicating that her government would be investigating some method of accruing travel points for airline tickets for use by the government. I wonder If the Premier could report on any progress in this field.

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The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I would like to inform the honourable Member that we have put that into our whole financial planning, and I have given that responsibility to the Minister of Finance to incorporate how we can best achieve the goals of utilizing travel points that were obtained through government travel for the benefit of NWT residents. I will defer further questions on that to the Minister of Finance .

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Question O677-12(2): Progress Re Travel Points Accrual Scheme

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 795

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, my question, then, is to the Minister of Finance . Could the Minister of Finance advise what progress has been made in trying to set up a scheme to accrue travel points that are obtained through the purchase of tickets for government travel to the government.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as we heard yesterday in the public accounts report, and as Members know the report of the Auditor General earlier, government travel is somewhat of a problem for us at the present time, and we recognize that. We are addressing

government travel in general, but in particular with regard to these points, there has been a lot of consideration given to eliminating the points as a benefit to the employee who accrues them.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Minor hockey.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Minor hockey is a good one, Mr. Todd . Primarily aimed at the young people in the Northwest Territories, Mr. Speaker, to allow them to travel more around the Northwest Territories. That is one of the things we are presently working on. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ludy Pudluk

Oral questions. Mr. Pudlat .

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Question O678-12(2): Reimbursement To Lake Harbour Hamlet For Expenses Incurred Re Construction Of Housing Authority Office

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 796

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, I have a question to the Minister of the Housing Corporation . We are appreciative in Lake Harbour that there will be a housing authority office which is more decent than the old one because they were staying in an old building, and we are very appreciative that they now have a new office. While they were building, the people who were responsible for the gravel put in too much, and the hamlet office had to pay more. So the hamlet has written to the Housing Corporation to see if they can get the money back. I wonder if the Minister is aware if the hamlet has been paid in regard to the gravel. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 796

The Deputy Speaker

Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My understanding is that the contractor and the NWT Housing Corporation have a dispute. The hamlet got stuck with the bill somehow. They are working on it to address the situation. I understand it has been outstanding for some time, since December, so I would just like to reassure the Member that it will come to a conclusion in a very short period of time, by July. Thank you.

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Question O679-12(2): Hay River Ice Crossing

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you. With regard to the question I asked before regarding the ice crossing road between the town of Hay River and the Reserve, the Minister indicated that he would look into the problem. I would like to ask him if he has taken it as notice.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, I will got my department to see if we can get a meeting together between the town of Hay River, a member from the reserve, and maybe Mr. Gargan , to see if we could work on the plan so that the maintenance of the ice bridge could be ironed out. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I also asked the Minister whether or not he considered that ice road a public access road.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Mr. Speaker, I am told that the ice bridge is within the municipality of Hay River. Thank you.

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So is it a public access road, then?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Mr. Speaker, since it is a part of the municipal land, I would have to check with the Town of Hay River. Thank you.

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The Minister is taking that question as notice. Oral questions. Member for Thebacha .

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Question O680-12(2): Martselos Services Versus Arctic College

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Education . Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of Education , with respect to a Supreme Court judgment in the Territories which was filed on May 8. On February 28, Justice de Weerdt of the Territorial Supreme Court heard a civil suit filed by Martselos Services Limited against Arctic College, and on May 8, Justice de Weerdt filed his judgment, finding that Arctic College awarding damages to Martselos Services for a breach of contract. This had to do, again, with improper tendering procedures used at Arctic College. Can the Minister advise this House as to the status of this particular case? Thank you.

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Titus Allooloo

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this point I could not comment directly on the judgment as it is currently under review. However, the college followed established GNWT procedures for tendering, and sought legal counsel prior to awarding the contract in question. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, can I get clarification from the Minister as to whether this judgment is under review by the college, or is it under the appeal process of the court system?

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Titus Allooloo

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My understanding is that the case is under review by the courts.

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This question is not really adequate at the moment because It is before the court. I believe It is upheld now. If someone wants to ask a question like this, next time I will have to rule it out of order. Oral questions. Mr. Gargan .

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Question O681-12(2): Access Road To Hay River Reserve

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Transportation . In March, I wrote a letter to the Minister with regard to a concern I have regarding the access road to the Hay River Reserve. There has been an increase in traffic on the access road. There is also an anticipated increase once they have the alcohol and drug treatment centre there, the Dene Cultural Institute, and also the senior citizens' home. Does the Minister have any plans to address the increased volume, and is there going to be any improvement to the access road? I have not been too successful to date in addressing the issue.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recognizing the importance of the community access road to local communities, the Department of Transportation has stepped up its maintenance service on community access roads for the last two summers. The department has hired a brushing crew from the reserve to clean brush along the right of way and to improve the driving site distances. The annual resurfacing and application of the calcium chloride will strengthen the driving surface, improve driver comfort and also make it more safe. We are working with members of the reserve to see if we could gradually enhance the road access.

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Question O682-12(2): Rejection Of Teacher Education Program Proposal, Beaufort-delta

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A question to the Minister of Education regarding the rejection of the teacher education program proposal. It seems that when proposals like this are rejected, Ministers got their assistant deputy ministers or deputy ministers to sign letters of rejection, and when there is good news to be transmitted, Ministers sign those letters. My concern and a concern of residents in the area is that they feel the proposal for a teacher education program in the Beaufort-Delta area was not given a fair chance. Will the Minister and his department be revisiting the proposal and reassessing the need for a teacher education program in the Beaufort-Delta area?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I mentioned in this session, we are reviewing all the teacher education programs so that government can be more effective and more efficient. All the teacher education programs are being reviewed, and one of the things we are doing is reviewing the proposal that was put together by Beaufort Sea Divisional Board of Education.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

There are teacher education programs in Iqaluit and Fort Smith and community teacher education programs in Rankin, Rae and Hay River, but there is none in the northwestern parts of the Territories. My plea to the Minister is to please look at this. When do you expect the assessment of the teacher education program to be complete?

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Amittuq

Before the beginning of the school year.

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Question O683-12(2): Interest Group Involvement In Triministerial Group Of Health, Social Services And Education

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education . Just a follow-up on the question I had yesterday on the assessment. I know you gave me an answer, but I just want to be clear as to how concerned groups, concerned parents and school boards could become involved in this tri-ministerial group of Health, Social Services and Education. They are discussing how to improve the delivery of all services to children. How could interest groups and school boards become involved in this process?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My understanding is that the tripartite ministry group will be talking to divisional boards and partners in education, which includes communities and the interest groups that are interested in the school system. Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Is this process that you are talking about happening right now? Is there a time frame in which this process will be concluded? I am saying this because we have a few months now until the next school year, and I think one assessment needs to be done. I was wondering It you could give me an answer of how long this process is going to take.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this point I do not kn