Oral Questions — 4 June 2012 (17th Assembly, 3rd Session, pp. 801–858)

2012-06-04, 17th Assembly 3rd Session, pp. 801–858

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Oral Questions — 4 June 2012 (17th Assembly, 3rd Session, pp. 801–858)

2012-06-04, 17th Assembly 3rd Session, pp. 801–858

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Debates of June 4th, 2012

This is page numbers 801 - 858 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was work .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Motion To Elect Acting Speaker

Minister’s Statement 18-17(3): Devolution Update

Minister’s Statement 19-17(3): Aboriginal Tourism Forum

Minister’s Statement 20-17(3): Disability Awareness Week, June 4-8, 2012

Drowning Prevention And Water Safety Awareness

Decentralization Of Government Positions

St. Patrick High School Graduation Ceremonies

Disability Awareness Week, June 4-8, 2012

Need For A Sahtu Long-Term Care Facility

Homeowner Repair And Maintenance Assistance

Minimizing Impacts Of Federal Crime Legislation

Kakisa Community Profile

Passing Of Tu Nedhe Constituents

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Need For A Sahtu Long-Term Care Facility

Home Ownership Repair And Maintenance Assistance

Tourism Industry Investment

Mental Health Diversion Courts

Protected Areas Strategy Initiative

Recommendations Of The 2012 Elders Parliament

Dental Services In The Sahtu

Nursing Services In Wrigley

Mental Health Diversion Courts

Rat Pass Microwave Radio Facility

Written Question 4-17(3): WSCC Health And Safety Performance

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Deferral Of Consideration Of Estimates For Environment Activity

Deferral Of Consideration Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity Under Iti

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:32 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

Tim Mercer

Clerk Of The House

Members, it is my duty to inform you of the unavoidable absence today of the Speaker and the Deputy Speaker. Pursuant to

Section 48(2) of the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, the Assembly must elect a Member to take the chair and act as your Speaker today. I will entertain a motion to elect an Acting Speaker. Mr. Menicoche .

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Motion To Elect Acting Speaker, Carried

Prayer

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much. I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Thebacha , that the honourable Wendy Bisaro of the electoral district of Frame Lake do take the chair of this House as Acting Speaker for today. Mahsi.

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Motion To Elect Acting Speaker, Carried

Prayer

Tim Mercer

Clerk Of The House

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The motion is in order. To the motion.

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Motion To Elect Acting Speaker, Carried

Prayer

Some Hon. Members

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Motion To Elect Acting Speaker, Carried

Prayer

Tim Mercer

Clerk Of The House

The motion is carried. I would ask Ms. Bisaro to come forward and take the chair as Acting Speaker for today.

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Motion To Elect Acting Speaker, Carried

Prayer

The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you very much, colleagues. This is an unexpected privilege and pleasure. I’m looking forward to today’s proceedings. It’s a different experience for me. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. Premier McLeod.

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Minister’s Statement 18-17(3): Devolution Update

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Madam Speaker, I am pleased to report that we continue to make progress on devolution, one of this Assembly’s major priorities.

Recently we saw the leaders of the Sahtu step forward to re-engage directly in devolution negotiations with the Government of the Northwest Territories, Canada, the Inuvialuit and Northwest Territory Métis Nation by signing the Agreement-in-Principle.

As the MLA for Sahtu has noted, the best way to influence negotiations is to be at the table. The devolution process is only made stronger with the Sahtu back at the table.

We hope to welcome other Aboriginal governments back to the negotiating table. There is a place for each of them there and they also will have the option of signing on to the Final Agreement, if they wish to do so.

This government has been working hard to engage with Aboriginal leadership and build respectful relationships with Aboriginal governments. I know that we may not always agree on every issue, but I want to extend my appreciation to the Aboriginal governments that we have been meeting with, for their willingness to engage in respectful dialogue, build understanding of our respective priorities and concerns and to find common ground.

It has now been 16 months since we signed the Devolution AIP. We continue to make progress and hope to conclude negotiations by this fall.

Madam Speaker, devolution is about bringing decision-making over public lands and resources, and rights in respect of water home to the Government of the Northwest Territories. It is about having a more accessible, accountable and responsive government making important decisions around land and resource management. It is about bringing those decisions closer to the people most affected by them. This is something that is long overdue.

Through devolution, greater direct benefits from land and resource development will flow to the people of the Northwest Territories. We will also have access to resource revenues we do not currently receive. If the net fiscal benefit provisions outlined in the Devolution AIP were already in place, an additional $62 million would be available to us this year alone. That is money that we could use to directly benefit the people of the Northwest Territories. That is money that could fund education, health care, environment stewardship

and infrastructure in our communities and many other priorities of this House. Without devolution, these resource royalties will continue to flow to Ottawa.

Working cooperatively with Aboriginal governments who also own and administer their settlement lands is a key feature of our devolution discussions.

Chapter 6 of the AIP provides for an intergovernmental forum that would let our governments work together on managing lands and resources in the territory. With participating Aboriginal governments, we are finalizing an agreement that will fulfill this vision. We are also working on a resource revenue sharing agreement that will give Aboriginal governments 25 percent of the net fiscal benefit the Government of the Northwest Territories will receive each year. This will be over and above any resource royalties they collect directly from their own settlement lands.

And of course, all citizens – including Aboriginal residents – will benefit from the remaining 75 percent of the net fiscal benefit.

As we work on concluding negotiations and preparing for implementation of devolution, we know that there will be challenges. Resources and effort must be invested in implementation planning in order to meet our objective of seeing as smooth a transition as possible under devolution. With the support of this House, we are laying the ground for a successful transition. Early implementation planning work is well underway and will provide a solid foundation for us to build upon.

As Members know, implementation will require legislative changes. Federal legislation that is currently in place governing land and resource management in the Northwest Territories will need to be amended or repealed by Parliament in order to make room for this Assembly to pass laws governing land and resource management.

In order to implement devolution as smoothly as possible, the AIP makes reference to the Government of the Northwest Territories “substantially mirroring” existing federal legislation. This will allow for certainty and a smooth transition for stakeholders, as well as for staff who will be

joining the Government of the Northwest Territories public service, who are familiar with the existing legislative framework.

Special consideration needs to be given to the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act. This is unique legislation. It embodies commitments made in the Gwich’in Comprehensive Land Claim Agreement, the Sahtu Dene Metis Comprehensive Land Claim Agreement and the Tlicho Agreement. Those agreements set the model for environmental review and assessment in the Mackenzie Valley and the key features of that legislation must remain consistent with the commitments made in the claims. Devolution will not and cannot undo the commitment to have an integrated system of land and water regulation as set out in these modern, constitutionally protected treaties.

In Yukon, the Yukon Environmental and Socio-Economic Assessment Act remains federal legislation, with the Yukon government assuming virtually all operational responsibility for that act under a delegation. This type of approach, referred to as delegated authority, preserves the option of drawing down legislation at a later date, but allows for immediate operational authority for the regulatory system. This option is under consideration, and certainly appears to be working well for Yukon, but we will have to weigh the pros and cons carefully.

We also need to consider the time that would be required to mirror the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act and whether doing so could run the risk of delaying devolution, particularly since amendments to the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act are under consideration by Canada at this time, as part of the national regulatory improvement initiative. Ultimately, we will need to find an approach that works best for the people of the Northwest Territories.

As I just mentioned, Canada’s regulatory improvement initiative is underway. The Government of the Northwest Territories shares Canada’s objective of improving the effectiveness and efficiency of the Northwest Territories regulatory system. We need only look at our sister territories in Yukon and Nunavut to see the difference that a clear, efficient and stable regulatory system can make in stimulating and attracting the mining sector, and the resulting economic benefits.

Although regulatory improvement is a nation-wide initiative driven by the federal government, we are working to ensure that northern views are heard and understood in that process. Madam Speaker, I am pleased to report that Canada has been receptive to receiving our suggestions, and we will continue to work with the federal government and Aboriginal governments to improve regulatory processes in the Northwest Territories.

Achieving devolution will be the culmination of decades of work by this government. It will bring tremendous benefit to all residents of the Northwest Territories and this government will achieve it.

Devolution is, of course, a subject that I frequently raise in my conversations with the Prime Minister and Minister Duncan, and the federal government continues to support devolution as a pillar of the Conservative government’s Northern Strategy.

With the continued support of Members of this House, devolution may soon be a reality. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 18-17(3): Devolution Update

Ministers’ Statements

The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Minister’s Statement 19-17(3): Aboriginal Tourism Forum

Ministers’ Statements

Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Our spectacular landscape, vibrant Aboriginal cultures, and beautiful arts and crafts are proving to be marketable attractions for visitors from around the world. With increased visitors, there are increased opportunities for our small and community-based business sector, which diversifies and strengthens our economy. Today I would like to speak about the progress we have made towards developing authentic Aboriginal tourism products in the Northwest Territories.

The Government of the Northwest Territories has provided significant investment over the last year to support efforts to grow the Aboriginal tourism sector. The Aboriginal Tourism Champions Advisory Council was established last July to provide strategic advice on the responsible development of Aboriginal tourism in the NWT. Its main mission is to oversee the planning, development and implementation of an Aboriginal tourism framework strategy.

Just last month the council hosted a two-day Aboriginal tourism forum in Detah, sponsored by the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment. The forum’s theme was “Sharing Our Culture” and provided an ideal opportunity for representatives from Aboriginal tourism operators and government to share ideas and set priorities for developing Aboriginal tourism.

Participants also heard from Aboriginal tourism operators from across Canada. These successful business owners shared best practices, experiences and information about Aboriginal tourism products in their areas. I am happy to report that the forum was a success.

I would like to thank MLA Robert Hawkins , chair of the Standing Committee on Economic Development and Infrastructure, for attending on my behalf.

Forum participants said they appreciated the opportunity to meet and hear concerns and ideas from other attendees, and to consult directly with those involved in the industry on how to advance Aboriginal tourism development in the NWT. Participants also said they looked forward to sharing their cultures with visitors to the NWT.

With information gathered at the forum, the council will now dedicate the next year to developing and shaping the actual strategy. The council is aiming to complete the strategy by spring 2013, and specific tactics in the strategy will be put in place soon after that.

Madam Speaker, we have great potential, capacity and enthusiasm in the NWT to develop and establish Aboriginal tourism, and share our diverse cultures with the world.

A strong tourism industry is a key element in achieving our Assembly’s goal of a diversified and healthy economy that provides all regions and communities with opportunities and choices. We must continue to do all we can to drive growth of the Aboriginal tourism sector in our territory. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 19-17(3): Aboriginal Tourism Forum

Ministers’ Statements

The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister responsible for Persons with Disabilities , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Minister’s Statement 20-17(3): Disability Awareness Week, June 4-8, 2012

Ministers’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Madam Speaker, this Assembly has a vision of strong individuals, families and communities sharing in the benefits and responsibilities of a unified, environmentally sustainable and prosperous Northwest Territories. Our vision includes persons with disabilities.

June 4

th to 8

th is Disability Awareness Week in the

It also means access to medical facilities and services, churches and grocery stores.

It means the world to the person who needs it.

Madam Speaker, the Department of Health and Social Services will continue to work with the health authorities and stakeholders to improve the quality of life of Northerners with disabilities by providing the appropriate access to sustainable programs and services.

Everybody has the right to live with dignity. Providing funding that gives opportunities for people with disabilities so that they can live more independently and contribute to their communities is important. The services that we offer through the health and social services authorities include home care, where home support workers provide assistance with personal care, light housework and meal preparation. Respite services that are offered through the Home Care Program provide temporary relief for families taking care of their loved ones who have disabilities. We also provide funding for supportive living.

Supportive living helps adults 19 and over with assistance to promote their independence, dignity, personal choices and being involved in the community through the provision of residential services and a day program.

The Department of Health and Social Services supports the work of the NWT Disabilities Council, the NWT Autism Society, the Yellowknife Association for Community Living, the YWCA, the Canadian National Institute for the Blind and the Canadian Hard of Hearing Association.

These organizations all provide invaluable support to persons with disabilities, promote inclusion and independence, and help to meet the needs and rights of persons with disabilities. I want to acknowledge the staff of these organizations for their excellent work and their commitment to persons with disabilities.

Madam Speaker, we also recognize the family members and volunteers who play a significant role in the care of NWT residents with disabilities.

To highlight NWT Disability Awareness Week, I am pleased to host the annual tea in the Great Hall. This is an opportunity to acknowledge the staff, volunteers and businesses that work to improve the quality of life for persons with disabilities in the NWT. Their efforts make a real difference. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 20-17(3): Disability Awareness Week, June 4-8, 2012

Ministers’ Statements

The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Drowning Prevention And Water Safety Awareness

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am very pleased to rise today to talk about an issue

that is important to each of us in this Assembly. That issue is drowning prevention.

We all know people in our communities whose lives are lost needlessly due to drowning. It is a needless waste of human life and potential. It is a devastating loss for our communities, people and families.

Between 1998 and 2008, an average of seven people annually drowned in the Northwest Territories. Eighty-four percent of the drownings were male and alcohol played a factor one-third of the time. Failure to wear a lifejacket was the major reason people drown. I am pleased to say that since 2008 the numbers have greatly improved, and last year there were no drownings at all. I believe it’s primarily due to an increase in the number of people who are wearing lifejackets instead of leaving them at home or on the floor of the boats.

The effort to persuade people to wear lifejackets takes many forms. This afternoon I had the privilege of having lunch with one of my constituents, a young lady from Trout Lake named Katrina Deneron, who entered and won a poster contest to promote the use of lifejackets. I will have the opportunity to introduce this young lady at the appropriate time and we will have a ceremony at the break to honour her.

In the meantime, I want to say that when the young people take the lead on this important issue, we need to pay attention, Madam Speaker. Mahsi cho.

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Drowning Prevention And Water Safety Awareness

Members’ Statements

The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you to the Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Decentralization Of Government Positions

Members’ Statements

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Over the last few months, we’ve been able to review business plans and now we’re reviewing the current operating budget. Throughout the process, one of my main concerns has been that there’s been a large amount of positions in headquarters and in Yellowknife.

At the beginning of this Assembly we set out as a priority that getting jobs in the communities was one of our priorities. Little of that priority has been seen or placed in the past business plans and the current budget reflects very little of that.

I have heard all the excuses, such as: it will come with devolution; we cannot move those positions; it costs more in the communities; employees need to meet more regularly. Excuses. Excuses why not. This decentralization of positions needs to start now. Devolution may take time and it may come with a bunch of excuses as well.

The excuse that people need to meet on a regular basis or communicate, with today’s technology, that communication should be done easily through technology, through Face Time, through Skype, through e-mail, by phone. I believe that moving positions into the regions and communities will benefit all. Stronger communities will be less dependent on government programs and help the economy in those communities. People will come back to love Yellowknife and spend more money here.

I believe that these positions in the communities are an important future for the NWT. Quit coming up with reasons why not. Tell us on this side of the House how we are going to get the jobs in the communities to benefit the North.

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Decentralization Of Government Positions

Members’ Statements

The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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St. Patrick High School Graduation Ceremonies

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Today I’d like to dedicate my Member’s statement to recent high school graduates. In fact, I’d like to thank all graduates throughout the Northwest Territories for accomplishing their goals, including Aurora College.

I’d be remiss if I didn’t spend a bit of time today to congratulate the special class of 2012 graduates of St. Pat’s High School, who recently celebrated their march, prom dance, church service, and cap and gown ceremony this past weekend.

As a Member of this Assembly and as a proud father in attendance, it made me both happy and proud to see the fruits of much of our hard work and dedication on display. As Members, we sometimes tend to focus on large-picture education issues and trying to foster better education systems for our people. Sometimes we forget that our system is doing a pretty good job in delivering a solid performance.

With many witnesses, this past weekend was a high school of 94 St. Pat’s graduates with poise, faith and community spirit. As you listened to their graduation speeches, their toasts and their intentions after high school, you immediately received a sense of pride knowing that this new crop of community leaders had the right tools and attitude to attain their goals and dreams.

I would like to point out some thank yous, Madam Speaker.

To the administration of the Yellowknife catholic school system and to the teachers of St. Pat’s High School for all their hard work and determination in guiding our children for tomorrow’s challenges, thank you.

To the parents who helped the dry grad ceremonies and family entertainment, who put on a safe and memorable event for our students, thank you.

To all the family that came great distances to celebrate this event, safe journeys on the return home and thank you for sharing that special day.

To you graduates of St. Pat’s High School – and to all graduates, as I mentioned, throughout the territory – as you celebrate your accomplishments, I wish to leave you my sincere congratulations in attaining your goals. We hope that many of you will continue your pursuit in either the trades or post-secondary studies and it is the hope of this Assembly that you will return one day with your newly minted tools and talents and make the Northwest Territories your future.

Until that day, Madam Speaker, we await with open arms upon your return. Thank you very much.

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St. Patrick High School Graduation Ceremonies

Members’ Statements

The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Disability Awareness Week, June 4-8, 2012

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Today I also wanted to recognize that today is the kickoff for NWT Disabilities Week. I just wanted to add on to what the Minister of Health and Social Services had said and bring a couple more little items to attention for everybody across the Northwest Territories on how important and significant this week actually is.

According to studies, the approximate number of individuals that self-identify with disabilities in the NWT is one in nine. That is 11 percent of our population that self-identifies. The numbers could be higher and more significant. That’s why we need to take action. I’m really happy to hear that the Minister did make a commitment to working with all organizations throughout this government.

I’ve said this many times over in this Assembly and made some good comments about it. The NWT has a lot of great resources that we can build upon and invest in, but our number one resource is our people. Regardless of whether they’re disabled or there are other language barriers or anything, we have to invest in our people so that we can have a strong economic future.

I’d like to also commend all the hard work of all people working with people with disabilities. Specifically, the NWT Disability Council, who’s putting on some great events this week, and also the Inuvik Disability Council, who I volunteer for on numerous occasions and invest in the hard work that they do for people of the Northwest Territories and my community back home. Thank you.

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Disability Awareness Week, June 4-8, 2012

Members’ Statements

The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Need For A Sahtu Long-Term Care Facility

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Over the last nine years since I’ve been the MLA for Sahtu, I’ve been working with several governments and this government here, the last government and this government here, I really want to, I guess, express mine and my people’s appreciation to the 16

th and to this government here. We keep our eye

on the prize of a long-term care facility.

In the Sahtu, many of our people, the elders, people that need 24-hour care, often have to go outside the region to get the long-term care facilities that they need. For example, in the Dementia Centre here in Yellowknife there are five people from the Sahtu at that centre. There is one at the Aven Manor. There is another at the Stanton Territorial Hospital, one in Fort Simpson and one in Inuvik.

When the Minister of Health and Social Services and I went over to the Sahtu to do the community tour, we stopped in Deline, and the Deline people really expressed the need for a long-term care facility or a place where their elders can at least be placed at a home in their community. We talked about Norman Wells being a place where it was approved a long-term care facility would be put there.

My people want to come home. Too many of my people have gone out of the region and have died in those facilities, only to be brought back in caskets so that they can have their funeral. It really bothers my people that they have to go out and that’s possibly the last time their grandchildren, or their children, or their relatives see them alive. They are asking that the government keeps their eye on the prize to have a long-term care facility in the Sahtu and work with the people in Deline at looking

at a temporary place where they can at least have their elders come back and they can live their last days on this land with their own people.

I’m going to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services about the status of this long-term care facility in the Sahtu. Thank you.

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Need For A Sahtu Long-Term Care Facility

Members’ Statements

The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Homeowner Repair And Maintenance Assistance

Members’ Statements

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We have many problems of housing within our communities. In my region, in 2009 the NWT Housing Corporation considered 40 percent of the homes to be in core need. We are always talking about public housing, but we have lots of homeowners in the Mackenzie Delta. In Fort McPherson and Tsiigehtchic, almost half of the homes are privately owned. In Aklavik it is about one-third, but that is still about 80 houses.

Many homeowners have a hard time keeping their houses in good shape. Upkeep in Fort McPherson or Aklavik is a far cry from a situation in Yellowknife. If you want to replace a window, a door, insulation, or some siding, you will probably have to order it and then wait quite awhile before it arrives. When it does, the freight will add a lot of costs.

You can’t just call your contractor to do the work. In many small communities there are very few contractors. If you do find qualified people to repair or maintain your house, it is very expensive. Some homeowners just can’t afford it. This is especially true for elders who can no longer do the basic maintenance themselves. That is how good houses slide into core need. If it goes on too long, these houses become unfit to live in.

You know that the NWT Housing Corporation plans to improve its care of home maintenance programs. The goal is to make it easier to access and increase the assistance limit to $3,000. But these changes are not due until August. We will miss the summer season in the Delta and Nunakput.

You know very well that $3,000 does not go very far in most of the communities. I don’t see much home maintenance and training being done. I would like to see local teams making rounds of homes in need of repair and doing the work at an affordable cost. We could use the jobs too. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Homeowner Repair And Maintenance Assistance

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Minimizing Impacts Of Federal Crime Legislation

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have read the Justice department’s analysis of impacts resulting from the federal crime bill, the so-called Safe Streets and Communities Act. The law’s requirement for mandatory minimum sentences and limitations on additional sentences place huge new burdens upon our policing, courts and correction services, and possibly resulting in tens of millions of dollars more in expenditures, not to mention human costs.

According to the department’s estimate, the need to expand the North Slave Correctional Centre could cost $32 million and perhaps another $35 million for a new women’s facility in the South Slave. Impacts include increases in court days and legal aid, increases in appeals, increased police service at courts, more youth held in pre-trial detention and receiving longer sentences. The list goes on and on. The federal government is downloading its vengeance view of crime prevention and we foot the bill.

The report concludes that without major new expenditures, “this situation is not sustainable for the longer term.” This in a jurisdiction suffering some of the nation’s highest level of family violence, poor educational achievement, substance abuse, homelessness, poverty and unemployment; all factors that fuel crime.

What this situation emphasizes to me is the desperate need to reduce the number of persons destined for courts and jails. Only prevention can break the chain of causes leading to crime and reduce the negative costs swamping the justice system. That is early childhood development to produce citizens capable of prosperous and law-abiding lives. It is an Anti-Poverty Strategy for coordinated action on the conditions that germinate crime. It is about humane, effective treatment of the high proportion of offenders suffering from mental illness, through the introduction of mental health diversion or wellness courts.

We are stuck with the federal law and its consequences, but progressive thought and action demonstrate that preventing criminality is the best way to fight crime. We must continue to protest this regressive federal action, but in the long term and the ultimate good of our society regardless of the justice system, we must emphasize prevention of poor choices and the fostering of healthy citizens capable of productive lives.

The Ministers of Justice and Health have made commitments in this respect. I will be asking questions of them in that regard later today. Mahsi.

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Kakisa Community Profile

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. On behalf of the people in my region, I want to say welcome to Kakisa. Kakisa was founded in 1962 when the Slavey people living near Tathlina Lake moved closer to the Mackenzie Highway. It is now home to 54 NWT residents. Close to 80 percent of the residents can speak in their own Aboriginal language.

Kakisa is a progressive, independent mining community we can be proud of. People recognize that the community can become more self-sustaining much more easily than a city. Leaders have expressed an interest in alternative energy in the central heating system and are willing to work with the GNWT to make that possible.

Traditional activities are very important for the residents of Kakisa. Many people take

part in traditional harvesting activities and almost all residents regularly eat foods harvested from the land. They are advancing the protected area from the community to where the Kakisa River empties into the Beaver Lake. The GNWT should be prepared to do all they can to support this initiative.

Most people in Kakisa own their own homes. According to the most recent survey, core need has dropped to 6 percent. However, that is no reason to have brand new houses sitting unoccupied in the community.

Leaders have also expressed the need for a larger gathering centre. As we all know, communities’ ties will strengthen the important decisions that can be make when people can meet in a comfortable, central location.

Kakisa is only a short distance from a beautiful campground and the spectacular Alexandra and Louise Falls. These attractions are a great opportunity for tourism and economic development. Leaders want to ensure management of tourism within their traditional land use area. There’s an ongoing need for meaningful, open dialogue between the community and the GNWT. Real progress must be made toward finalizing land use plans and solid government agreements.

Madam Speaker, Kakisa and other small communities in the NWT should be highly valued for the strong people who live there and care about what happens to the place they live. Kakisa is an example of a small community that can do great things when we offer the support they need to reach their goals. Kakisa is just not a stop on the highway, but a real place in the Northwest Territories. Mahsi, Madam Speaker.

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Passing Of Tu Nedhe Constituents

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Madam Speaker. Today I would like to acknowledge the passing of three Tu Nedhe constituents.

Marina Catholique-Norton was born January 21, 1954, and passed away February 22, 2012. Marina was only 48 years old and passed away in her sleep. Marina is survived by her husband, Robert Norton; her son, Lorenz Frank; sister, Mary Jane Michel; and brothers Herman, Joseph and Henry. Ray was considered to be her brother by her late parents, Pierre and Judith Catholique. Marina is also survived by numerous nieces, great-nieces, nephews, great-nephews, cousins, aunts, uncles and friends. Marina will be remembered for her kindness, generosity, laughter and a great sense of humour.

Henry Yelle was born February 13, 1934, and passed away April 24, 2012. He was 78 years old. He also passed away in his sleep. Henry is survived by his daughter, Beverly Buggins; sister, Margaret Sayine; nieces Marie McKay, Irene Sayine, Marie Sayine; nephews Marcel McKay, Jerry Yelle, Gary Yelle, along with numerous great-nieces and nephews. Henry will be remembered for his hunting and fishing skills along with his participation in the Canadian Rangers where he was a valued volunteer and had familiarity with the land in the Tu Nedhe area. Henry was kind and also had a great sense of humour.

Lawrence Fred Fabien was born June 25, 1944, and passed away May 12, 2012. He was 68 years old. He passed away unexpectedly from heart failure. Lawrence is survived by his brothers Eddie, Henry, Don, Robert; and his sisters Rita, Angie, Kaye, Helen and Lorraine, along with a total of 25 nieces and nephews. All of them had a real connection with Lawrence. Lawrence’s family describe him as a real kind gentleman with a great sense of humour. Lawrence retired from the GNWT Environment and Natural Resources after working 33 years of seasonal employment as a crew coordinator, fire technician, and fire base manager for the South Slave regional office.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted.

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Passing Of Tu Nedhe Constituents

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Lawrence was highly respected in his position at ENR. The DM and many ENR employees from across the North attended his funeral. ENR presented Lawrence’s family with a pulaski – an axe with a blade and a hook on the back – a hardhat, and a plaque to honour and remember him. Another fire expert described him as the best fire behaviour specialist she knew. All of Lawrence’s pallbearers were from

his fire crew and they were fully equipped with their firefighter’s uniforms.

Lawrence is also a part of the team that wrote the Chipewyan language dictionary, which was launched on March 26, 2012.

My sincerest condolences go out to the family and friends of Marina, Henry and Lawrence.

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Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Monfwi , Mr. Lafferty .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I’d like to recognize Colinda Blondin, who is here with us. She is originally from Behchoko. Welcome and enjoy the session.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. I’m pleased to see constituents from Fort Simpson in the Gallery. I’ll start off with Mr. Steven Thompson, who is a recent graduate of whom I attended his ceremonies on Saturday. The whole grad did an excellent ceremony; it was very unique. Also with him is his father, Mr. Shane Thompson. I’ll recognize Shane’s friend as well, Ms. Colinda Blondin. Welcome to the Gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I’d like to recognize Shane Thompson, as well; a good friend, and his family. He’s also a constituent in Fort Simpson but he originates from Hay River.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I’d like to welcome and recognize Shane Thompson. He’s been a very strong mentor and role model to a lot of youth in the Northwest Territories, including myself. Along with Shane I’d like to recognize his son Steven, who is a recent graduate, and congratulate him on that. I’d also like to recognize Colinda Blondin, who is a graduate of the Recreation Leaders Program and is doing a lot of great work with the youth, from what I hear.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Moses . I would like to welcome all people visiting us in the gallery today. It’s always nice to have an audience in here, and thank you for taking an interest in our proceedings.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 72-17(3): Need For A Sahtu Long-Term Care Facility

Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services . I want to know when the Sahtu long-term care facility will begin to see its construction.

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Question 72-17(3): Need For A Sahtu Long-Term Care Facility

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 72-17(3): Need For A Sahtu Long-Term Care Facility

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Madam Speaker. The plan is for some of the preliminary work to be done now and we’re hoping that the long-term construction… I think the target date for the long-term construction is to begin construction in the summer of 2013 and conclude it in the summer of 2015.

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Question 72-17(3): Need For A Sahtu Long-Term Care Facility

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Minister and I had a tour in the Sahtu and we stopped in Deline. We talked to the people in Deline. The people in Deline know that the old long-term care facility was shut down in 1994 and that it hasn’t been opened since. The people want to know, there are some units there that some of the older people wanted to see if the Minister could consider, with asking his colleagues, if some of those units could be opened so that they can bring some of the people back from outside the region so they can come back and stay there for the last days of their life on Earth.

Has the Minister made any progress in seeing where this request that has been asked by the people of Deline to see if it’s being taken seriously, to ask if the Department of Health could open possibly maybe six units in Deline’s old long-term care facility?

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Question 72-17(3): Need For A Sahtu Long-Term Care Facility

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

The building itself, both buildings and the outbuildings that the long-term care or what was referred to as the senior citizens home in Deline does belong to the NWT Housing Corporation. Right now it’s being leased out to Health and Social Services and we are using the main part of the building. The community wishes that part of the building would be opened up and the administration of health and social services, I think their home care programs and counselling and so on that were in there, would be moved to one of the out buildings.

At this time there needs to be an evaluation done by ourselves and NWT Housing Corporation to determine how we could feasibly move the individuals that are working in that building to the outbuildings, or another location, in order to turn that back into a senior citizens home.

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Question 72-17(3): Need For A Sahtu Long-Term Care Facility

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

The issue of the long-term care facility in the Sahtu has been long-standing. Like I said earlier my Member’s statement, I’m grateful for

the 16

th and I’d certainly appreciate the 17

th Assembly and this government here to keep their eye on the ball or the prize to build a long-term care facility in the Sahtu region. This is the only region without a long-term care facility. I want to ask the Minister, since this is the first one we built and I think it’s the only one that’s going to be built in the Sahtu, what is the Minister doing to work with the people in the Sahtu to prepare for the long-term care facility in terms of construction, training, programming, staffing. What is the Minister doing with the Sahtu people?

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Question 72-17(3): Need For A Sahtu Long-Term Care Facility

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

This new 18-bed long-term care facility is intended to be a regional long-term care facility for the entire Sahtu. There is a plan to fill all the positions in the building with people from the Sahtu. I believe that there will be as many as 27 people in the building. It’s going to be a long-term facility with a new, modern health care attached to it. The plan is to have all the people right from the registered nurse to the aides that work in there to the cook to the cleaning staff, everything, that they would be trained. We’re going to be scheduling some training in there so that place is run by the people from the Sahtu.

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Question 72-17(3): Need For A Sahtu Long-Term Care Facility

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 72-17(3): Need For A Sahtu Long-Term Care Facility

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Can the Minister briefly tell me if there are some plans in place with this government and the Sahtu through the Sahtu Health and Social Services, or some other government agency that the department is overseeing, that they from time to time could monitor the progression of the building of the long-term care facility, where they would be able to monitor and keep checks and balances as to the progression of this entire long-term care facility?

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Question 72-17(3): Need For A Sahtu Long-Term Care Facility

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Yes, we can do that. We can work with the Sahtu Health and Social Services to ensure that they keep tabs on the project and that we communicate the progress to the people in the Sahtu. Thank you.

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Question 72-17(3): Need For A Sahtu Long-Term Care Facility

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Question 73-17(3): Home Ownership Repair And Maintenance Assistance

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In follow up to my Member’s statement, I have questions for the Minister of Housing .

Will the Minister make changes to the CARE program right away so that the northern communities can take advantage of this this summer? Thank you.

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Question 73-17(3): Home Ownership Repair And Maintenance Assistance

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation , Minister McLeod.

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Question 73-17(3): Home Ownership Repair And Maintenance Assistance

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The CARE program has been in existence for awhile. There are opportunities for those that are in need of repairs to access the program. The CARE program, as it sits right now, is fairly sufficient and people are given a lot of opportunity to apply for the program. Thank you.

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Question 73-17(3): Home Ownership Repair And Maintenance Assistance

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

It doesn’t seem fair that the maximum amount of assistance available through the CARE program is the same everywhere. You will get a lot more done for $3,000 in Yellowknife than in Aklavik. Will the Minister take local costs into account and adjust the CARE program? Thank you.

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Question 73-17(3): Home Ownership Repair And Maintenance Assistance

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

The Member makes a good point and it’s one that we’ve had discussions about as a corporation, the fact that it does cost more to do business in some of the higher arctic communities than it does in some of the South Slave communities.

We are looking at it. The Member referencing the $3,000, that would be the Preventative Maintenance Program. The CARE program actually has a maximum of $92,000 that folks can access to do repairs on their home. But the Preventative Maintenance Program is one that is designed and a lot of seniors take us up on that, for some maintenance on their homes. We are looking at the option of funding communities where the costs are a lot greater than some of the South Slave communities. Thank you.

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Question 73-17(3): Home Ownership Repair And Maintenance Assistance

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

When the Housing Corporation does repairs for public housing in small communities, could arrangements be made for its crew to assist private homeowners? Thank you.

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Question 73-17(3): Home Ownership Repair And Maintenance Assistance

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

We’re quite proud of the fact that in some of our small communities a lot of the work that is done on public housing units is from people within the community. As far as assisting, I mean, there are opportunities there to assist people that need to repair their own homes. Obviously, there is going to be a cost to it, because it’s not part of our mandate. It is home ownership and homeowners are responsible for all maintenance of their unit. However, we do have a lot of programs that are designed to assist homeowners wanting to do some repairs on their units.

The option is there but it’s not one that we would consider because we need those folks to be doing the work on the public housing units and then home ownership can make other arrangements. Or they may use them, but again, it’s the cost to the homeowner. Thank you.

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Question 73-17(3): Home Ownership Repair And Maintenance Assistance

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Your final supplementary, Mr. Blake .

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Question 73-17(3): Home Ownership Repair And Maintenance Assistance

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have no further questions at this time. Thank you.

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Question 73-17(3): Home Ownership Repair And Maintenance Assistance

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 74-17(3): Tourism Industry Investment

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Today my questions will be for the Minister of ITI .

To set the tune, I guess, for today’s questions, tourism, promotional monies, our territory versus the Yukon. Very similar in nature and I think it’s a great comparison tool. Our territory spends just under $4 million a year and we turn over about $110 million to the economy at about 70,000 guests and people that visit us every year. In retrospect, the Yukon spends twice as much – about $9 million – and they get about $200 million to the economy and over probably four times more visitors.

With that, I want to ask the Minister, obviously under the terms of the 2012-2013 marketing plan, under that plan there is an approved Tourism Marketing Advisory Committee. This is under the watchful eye of the Minister. Can the Minister indicate to me that all monies and all provisions of monies for marketing – because again, monies are important – translates to dollars here for the economy? Have all monies been given and all opportunity given to this marketing arm so that they can ploy their strategies? Thank you.

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Question 74-17(3): Tourism Industry Investment

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The Minister for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Minister Ramsay .

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Question 74-17(3): Tourism Industry Investment

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. That question is similar to one that I had responded to from MLA Menicoche earlier during this session. He was saying that we are cutting back the marketing initiative to NWT Tourism. But, in fact, that is not the case. There is, through Tourism 2015, marketing money, and I believe that this isn’t the case. I would be more than happy to discuss this situation with NWT Tourism. Thank you.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

The Minister is indicating a 2015 initiative. I’m referring to the 2012-2013 marketing plan initiative. Again, can we get clarification whether or not there have been any holdbacks of monies for initiatives or marketing initiatives for this fiscal year? Thank you.

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Question 74-17(3): Tourism Industry Investment

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

I am not aware of any. I’ve got that question into the department, again, in relation to some of the comments made earlier during the sitting of the House. I will try to get a response back to the Members. There may be some confusion over some of the marketing money and how it rolls out to the organization. If that is the case, we’ll try to iron things out so that folks know

that there is no holdback. That money is going to be available. Thank you.

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Question 74-17(3): Tourism Industry Investment

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Again, I do appreciate the Minister for coming forward with that. Can the Minister indicate, if he is indeed looking into that, when would we be able to expect that to the House? Thank you.

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Question 74-17(3): Tourism Industry Investment

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

As soon as I get some clarification on where the confusion is, I will get that information to the Members of this House. I believe it is in relation to $400,000 for marketing under the Tourism 2015 plan, and we’ll get that ironed out for the Members.

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Question 74-17(3): Tourism Industry Investment

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Minister Ramsay . The Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 75-17(3): Mental Health Diversion Courts

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Justice .

In December I asked the question to the Minister of Justice regarding the establishment of mental health diversion courts. This mechanism is commonly used to more effectively deal with the high numbers of offenders suffering from mental illnesses and addictions. It also avoids the administrative cost burdens that will result from the new Bill C-10 provisions that we discussed earlier.

I’ve since met with the Ministers of Justice and Health and Social Services to discuss mental health diversion courts and wellness courts, and the Minister promised actions and confirmed them in a written reply to my oral question. I’m asking: Could the Minister update us on the status of this work since December, including the research he mentioned is underway on the Yukon wellness court? Thank you.

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Question 75-17(3): Mental Health Diversion Courts

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The Minister of Justice , Minister Abernethy .

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Question 75-17(3): Mental Health Diversion Courts

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Work continues to be ongoing. As a matter of fact, our director of court services has just got back from the Yukon, where she was meeting with counterparts in the Yukon to review the actual wellness court that exists in that jurisdiction. We aren’t looking at just that model. We are looking at a number of models and pulling information together.

Currently, a terms of reference to support the work of the interdepartmental committee, which will examine the feasibility of a specialized court as well as consider ways to improve service delivery for mental health services, has just been completed. Those terms of reference are now up and running. From there we’re going to develop a work plan. We hope to have the work plan done by the end of August, and then work on the analysis done by the

end of this fiscal year, so we can share it with committee and Members to figure out the next step and which model we want to pursue, how we want to move forward. We have to have those three steps done by the end of this fiscal year.

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Question 75-17(3): Mental Health Diversion Courts

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I appreciate that update from the Minister. In the December statement, the Minister said he would be working with the Health Minister on prevention and treatment options, and I think that’s what the Minister was talking about. I’m wondering, given that this work is ongoing, and hopefully we’re going to come up with a good solution, is the Minister aiming at avoiding the costs of Bill C-10 through his prevention program or is his strategy to come up with the dollars for new facilities and services and so on. What is the goal? What is the strategic direction of this Minister in consultation with his other colleagues taking?

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Madam Speaker, if and when we get this court in place, this will obviously be a particular tool that is available to us to help offset the cost by keeping some of the low-risk offenders out of our facility. It is something we need to do. It is something that we are pursuing. As I indicated, we hope to have something available to share with Members so we can actually set a direction on which model we want to use.

In the meantime, we are managing within to make sure that we can handle the number of inmates coming into our facilities. We do know that we do need to upgrade the facility in Fort Smith, the female facility. That needs to be done regardless of Bill C-10 and that is something we need to do. We know that when we build it, we need to build it thinking about the future, not just the present. It will have to be larger than it is. We are focused on right now trying to manage the load, not have to pursue additional space and finding ways to get the lower risk inmates out of the facilities appropriately.

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Question 75-17(3): Mental Health Diversion Courts

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Madam Speaker, I would like to mention that, of course, this all started with motions in the 16

th Assembly. There has been a lot of time

for the government to react to those requests. We started discussions, I would say, within two weeks of being elected, so this has been going on since October. Every time that I meet, there are promises made of when they are going to… Now we are talking the end of August for plan at the end of this fiscal year.

Does the Minister find this satisfactory? How does he see it in terms of the timing of the consequences of this crime bill and the implementation of these ephemeral programs that keep receding in time? Thank you.

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Question 75-17(3): Mental Health Diversion Courts

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Madam Speaker, this is actually the first time that I have indicated any deadlines that we are going to be moving forward, in particular with the work plan for August 12

th and

then having a decision point for the end of the fiscal year.

Right now we don’t have a significant demand on our system. A lot of the acts on Bill C-10 haven’t actually come into effect yet, so we still have time. We are still in the planning phase, trying to make sure we can accommodate these changes when they come forward. We know this court is a valuable tool. We want to continue to pursue it, but honestly, we would rather get it right, than right now. Thank you.

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Question 75-17(3): Mental Health Diversion Courts

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 75-17(3): Mental Health Diversion Courts

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thanks for those comments from the Minister. I think we are at least in total agreement on the last statement he made. We do want to get it right.

One of the administrative mechanisms the Minister has mentioned is a move to an integrated case management, meaning that GNWT treatment and client service that work cooperatively to bring the various available programs to bear in helping individual clients. This would break down the cycles and improve the effectiveness of the individual programs. What progress has the Minister made on that front? Mahsi.

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Question 75-17(3): Mental Health Diversion Courts

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

This is one of the items that is actually falling under the work plan and the terms of reference that I mentioned earlier. The departments, including MACA, Housing Corporation, Justice, Education and Health, have been working together on these types of initiatives, trying to find ways to break down some of these barriers. We will continue to do so. We will find some solutions hopefully that will improve service delivery in this area in particular. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Question 75-17(3): Mental Health Diversion Courts

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Question 76-17(3): Protected Areas Strategy Initiative

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Energy and Natural Resources. As you all know, the Protected Areas Strategy initiative is a collaborative effort from two levels of government, including the federal government and the GNWT, also along with NGOs, First Nations, and it has been an initiative that has been fairly successful throughout the Northwest Territories. It makes the effort to identify special ecological cultural futures of community initiatives and to try and set aside those lands for protection. Can the Minister give an update of the various PAS initiatives across the NWT? Mahsi.

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Question 76-17(3): Protected Areas Strategy Initiative

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 76-17(3): Protected Areas Strategy Initiative

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We have a list of protected area strategies at different stages. In the Deh Cho we have the Edehzhie, we have Sambaa K’e, Ka’a’gee Tu, the Buffalo Lake, river and trails at K’atlodeechee, the Jean Marie River cabin cultural conservation area which is step five. They are all in step five. Then we then move on to the Sahtu and the Tlicho.

I am aware of the restrictions in the House of reading excessive detail. I would point out that we have had discussions with the Minister of Environment for the federal government, who is committed to trying to continue to include the candidate sites that have been identified throughout the Northwest Territories and the long history of the Protected Areas Strategy. I would be happy to share this detailed information with the Member. Thank you.

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Question 76-17(3): Protected Areas Strategy Initiative

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Madam Speaker, what is the position of the GNWT in terms of selecting areas for candidate areas for PAS initiatives at the local level? Mahsi.

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Question 76-17(3): Protected Areas Strategy Initiative

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

This process is supposed to be community driven, which is what we focus and try to maintain as well as trying to find other supporting agencies to assist with that process, but initially there has to be some drive at the community level. Thank you.

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Question 76-17(3): Protected Areas Strategy Initiative

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Madam Speaker, is there a position at the GNWT in terms of ensuring that there is a balance between conservation and also economic initiatives? Does the GNWT have a policy on that? Mahsi.

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Question 76-17(3): Protected Areas Strategy Initiative

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

We do have a Sustainable Development Policy. Work is underway for the Land Use Sustainability Framework which will incorporate that sustainability policy into a broader land use framework. We do try to strike the balance across the North in terms of land that is open for development and land that has been put aside for conservation and protection purposes. That figure ranges anywhere from 45 to 50 percent. It has to be unencumbered, 50 to 60 percent. Thank you.

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Nadli .

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Question 76-17(3): Protected Areas Strategy Initiative

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. What steps would the department entertain to ensure that the success of the PAS initiative for the Ka’a’gee Tu First Nation is concluded? Mahsi.

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Question 76-17(3): Protected Areas Strategy Initiative

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Madam Speaker, there is work underway. Recent meetings were just held. The GNWT, in order to assist this program, has to get its thinking clear both on the boundary, which they haven’t finally resolved, as well as the issue of surface and subsurface protection. Other than that, this process I think has

moved forward. I understand the meetings were very productive. We intend to get back to the rest of the parties through this process in the near future. Thank you.

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 77-17(3): Recommendations Of The 2012 Elders Parliament

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister responsible for Seniors . Over a couple of weeks ago, we had an Elders Parliament here. They went through a lot of work. My experience working with these elders is they are very experienced. One of our values growing up in the North is to respect our elders. I wanted to ask the Minister responsible for Seniors what is his commitment to the motions that were brought forth during the Elders Parliament. How serious is he going to take these motions that put them into action or see something come out of them in this Assembly? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Minister responsible for Seniors , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 77-17(3): Recommendations Of The 2012 Elders Parliament

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister Responsible for Seniors

Mahsi cho, Madam Speaker. To date, I have had the staff – that is my own staff here in the Legislative Assembly – review the Members’ statements to see, firstly, which of those statements and maybe some work that we are actually already working on in Health and Social Services, seniors or the disability files. Thank you.

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Madam Speaker, I asked for a commitment to see these recommendations, motions put through in this government, if not sooner. We get a lot of discussions here and I don’t want to have to ask another question and get whether a commitment of yes or no and not discussions. It seems like I’ll have to use a second question to get a yes commitment or a no discussion commitment. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister Responsible for Seniors

Thank you. I wasn’t thinking that the Elders Parliament was specifically a seniors’ issue, I thought it was an Elders Parliament that was more of a parliamentary thing. So I looked at that from not as a Minister responsible for Seniors , but looked at the Member’s statement for Minister responsible for Health and Social Services, Seniors and Persons with Disabilities and said I would ask the staff. I had asked the staff to look at the statements to see which one of those statements pertained to the three areas that I’m responsible for, to see if there wasn’t work already being done in those areas. If there wasn’t, we’re going to review it to see if we

can incorporate that, too, if we felt it was within government’s mandate. Thank you.

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

That was a good answer. As the Minister responsible for Seniors and ensuring that seniors have an accurate and fulfilling life in their early years and be able to continue on our traditions, culture and language, would the Minister be willing to look at these motions and be willing to address them as the Minister responsible for Seniors and not the Minister responsible for what was discussed? It was the seniors who brought this forward, after all. Thank you.

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister Responsible for Seniors

Yes, I’m willing to look at those statements and review them to see if they’re relevant to the work that we could be doing. Thank you.

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Minister Beaulieu . Final supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 77-17(3): Recommendations Of The 2012 Elders Parliament

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. That’s kind of what I wanted to get right off the start. That leads me to my second question. I have a couple here.

As the Minister responsible for Seniors , is he willing to look at the one motion that is relevant to the clientele and people that he represents, and work within his Cabinet to look at the motion in regard to the public housing rental scales in which there were recommendations made from the seniors brought forth by the Seniors’ Society, as well as made from this side of the House? Is he willing to do that and look at addressing that issue?

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Question 77-17(3): Recommendations Of The 2012 Elders Parliament

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister Responsible for Seniors

I know that initially when this issue was being contemplated through the media and so on with elders, I’ve had initial discussion with the Minister of the Housing Corporation . After the motion was made by the elders, we’ve had another discussion. I am prepared to work with the Minister of Housing to look at that decision. Thank you.

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Question 77-17(3): Recommendations Of The 2012 Elders Parliament

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Minister Beaulieu . The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 78-17(3): Dental Services In The Sahtu

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have some e-mails here based on the dental services that we have in the Sahtu, and usually when these issues come to us as MLAs, it comes to us in the form of emergency services either by the dentists’ service there in Inuvik or in Yellowknife and that we ask our Health department to either reimburse for hotels or travel. I want to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services , I know this is a federal non-insured health benefit and for First Nations people. We also have residents who are not First Nations. Our dental services in the Sahtu are not very good. Over the weekend in Tulita and Norman Wells, the first thing I got was: What’s

happening with our dental services? We don’t have dental services. People are travelling out of Norman Wells to get dental services in Inuvik or in Yellowknife. I want to ask the Minister what’s the situation with our dental services in the Sahtu. Are we going to have a permanent dentist there?

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Question 78-17(3): Dental Services In The Sahtu

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Minister of Health and Social Services , Minister Beaulieu .

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Question 78-17(3): Dental Services In The Sahtu

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Currently we’re having difficulties filling dental therapist positions right across the territory where they’re needed. In the Sahtu there are two dental therapist positions, both of which are vacant. It’s causing some problems, and also the fact that dental services are a federal responsibility for First Nations people.

So, again, we recognize the issues, and what I’ve asked the department to do now is to work with the federal government to develop an oral health strategy, and we’re going to look at that to see if there are areas that we can work together with the government and with the regional health authorities to develop something that will work. It’s a very difficult area. Thank you.

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Question 78-17(3): Dental Services In The Sahtu

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

The Minister has sort of outlined a strategy for the Sahtu in terms of dental services. I want to ask the Minister what, between now and that strategy being implemented, is his department doing to look at the emergency services that people are seeing in Good Hope, Norman Wells, Deline, Tulita and Colville Lake. People are flying out of the communities using their own money and then coming to the department and coming to me and saying can we get this reimbursed, because they need to get the services done right away.

What is the Minister doing in this time frame so that people then could not be so concerned when all the services are deemed emergency? This is ridiculous in this day and age. What can the Minister do to help the people in the Sahtu get away from this situation?

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Question 78-17(3): Dental Services In The Sahtu

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

We have encountered that situation numerous times. We have recently received some situations such as that from the Sahtu with the requests for reimbursement. At this time I don’t know what the response is on that specific item. I don’t have the information with me, but I had contact with the client, and had the discussion with that particular client, and sent the information to the system and have not heard back from the client whether or not there was a refusal to pay his dental bills or anything. I was assuming that it was taken care of, but I will follow up on those issues and we will handle all of the issues the same way as we’d handled that issue. Thank you.

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Question 78-17(3): Dental Services In The Sahtu

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you. Is it possible that this Minister and this Cabinet could look at some situations in the Sahtu where he could get a dentist, Adam Dental or out of Inuvik, they could go into the

Sahtu, spend a good quality three months, four months in there to look after the people’s teeth? Because right now it’s on an emergency basis. Right now there are no dentists in the Sahtu, not even in Norman Wells. There are people who are not First Nations who are buying airline tickets to go to Inuvik or to Yellowknife to get their teeth looked at. The nurses are handing out antibiotics. People are going into the hospital with a sore tooth. They’re not able to see a dentist until the antibiotic kicks in and starts working. So what can this government do? What can we do to help the people in the Sahtu?

Can we do something to get a dentist in there right away to start looking after the teeth of the people in the Sahtu?

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Question 78-17(3): Dental Services In The Sahtu

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I’m not familiar with the specific contract with the dentists in the Sahtu. I don’t have that information. What I am familiar with, or what the department is trying to do over a longer term to address this issue, we clearly recognize that good oral health leads to good health, period, and we see this as a preventive item. The department contracts an actual dentist to work with a dental therapist. Unfortunately, those two positions in the Sahtu are vacant at this time.

Under normal circumstances where the therapists are filled, then that dentist works with the therapist to promote oral health with the Well Baby Program, in the Healthy Family Program and also in the schools in order to promote good oral health. That’s what we’re doing.

For emergency services right now, I could have the department check on who the dentist is that we have contracted in the Sahtu, from which organization, and get back to the Member to determine what our next course of action should be.

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Question 78-17(3): Dental Services In The Sahtu

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 78-17(3): Dental Services In The Sahtu

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I look forward to the Minister’s discussion to see how we can work out this situation. The fact of the matter is our contract is not working with this government. Something is wrong. The contract isn’t working. Either the dentist or ourselves or the federal government, something is not working. That should tell you enough that we do not have a dentist in the Sahtu.

We have some oil companies in there. Surely this government can talk to the oil company, can talk to the town, can talk to the native organizations, talk to somebody and say let’s get a dentist in here. Let’s clear the barriers and get a dentist in here.

Right now people are having toothaches. Kids have toothaches and are going to the health centre where the nurse is giving them antibiotics and telling them to stay home unless their parents really can gather the money to fly them. It costs about $1,100 just to fly a person out to get their teeth checked. It’s a health concern. This can kill a lot of people.

I want to ask this government, are you willing to save some people’s lives? Get a dentist in the Sahtu. What can the Minister do to help us get a dentist here? Can he open some of the creativity in this government to get a dentist in the Sahtu? Can he do that for us?

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Question 78-17(3): Dental Services In The Sahtu

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Dental services are not an insured service by the Government of the Northwest Territories. Along with our government, Nunavut and Yukon, we have engaged in discussions with Health Canada. It’s not a simple process where I can make a commitment to send a dentist in. It’s not an insured service. This takes time for us to develop something. We need to work with Health Canada. They’re the ones that are responsible for the dental services in these communities. It’s something that I could continue to work on. I could maybe keep the Member informed as to how our discussions are going.

I recognize that it’s a big issue in the Sahtu and I will keep him informed as we continue our discussions with Health Canada.

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Question 78-17(3): Dental Services In The Sahtu

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 79-17(3): Nursing Services In Wrigley

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. I’d like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services questions about nursing services in the community of Wrigley. I know my colleague from the Mackenzie Delta raised it last week in the House about nursing in our small communities. I know that last term we almost had a deal where nursing services would be provided in the Mackenzie Delta and Wrigley. I just want to know what initiatives has the Health Minister been working on lately in returning these health services to these small communities.

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Question 79-17(3): Nursing Services In Wrigley

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 79-17(3): Nursing Services In Wrigley

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The way we are approaching all communities to provide what services are needed, we’re trying to use a primary care team, which refers to trying to provide a service in the communities where the services are needed. Right now we are reviewing right from the smallest communities in the North to Yellowknife exactly what services are needed. Right now the standard is that communities that have more than 250 people are eligible for at least two registered nurses. We don’t have a formula to cover communities that have under 250 people. What we’re trying to do is provide a service in those communities on a fly-in basis, bringing nurses into the community and so on.

Through the Primary Care Program what we’re trying to do is provide a service. Perhaps one possibility that we’re trying to examine was to have licenced practical nurses. Perhaps licenced practical nurses could cover off the majority of the nursing that’s needed in communities that have a population under 250.

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Question 79-17(3): Nursing Services In Wrigley

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

That’s not the original excuse government gave last term. They said it was a safety issue in Wrigley that they won’t return nurses there. I fought very hard to get an assurance that there’s RCMP dedicated to Wrigley. Then that happened and still government won’t move on nursing for Wrigley. I want to ask the Minister once again, what has his department been doing to work towards returning nursing services to Wrigley.

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Question 79-17(3): Nursing Services In Wrigley

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

My assumption of what the last government may have said would be that they have RCMP and nurses in the community for safety reasons, so at the times in which the nurses could potentially be called out in the evening for emergency situations and so on. I don’t know if that was an excuse, but I don’t know if there are RCMP in Wrigley at this time as well.

What I’m saying is that as a department we are looking at each community and what their needs are. We have situations and have reviewed situations. For the amount of work that would be required by a nurse in the communities where there are under 250, with the call-outs and the requirement for nursing in those communities, it was less than what would be needed to have two nurses in the community, two registered nurses. Two registered nurses is the minimum of nurses that would be in a community in order for them to cover off for each other.

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Question 79-17(3): Nursing Services In Wrigley

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

We’ve said it on this side of the House many, many times, the time for reviewing is over. You’ve already done those reviews. You know the needs of my communities. When is the Minister going to work towards returning nursing services to Wrigley?

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Question 79-17(3): Nursing Services In Wrigley

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Like I said, we’re going to be working with the communities to look at what is needed. I could stand up and say now that no, we’re not going to put two nurses back in Wrigley because there isn’t enough work for them in that community. However, we don’t want to give that kind of answer. What we want to do is we want to work to see what is needed and provide what is needed, not just put two nurses in a community because that’s what people say is needed in the community.

What we’re saying is if there’s a need for less than one nurse, requirement for a job of less than one nurse in a community, maybe we need to have a variety of care workers in a community in order to compensate or cover what is needed in that particular community.

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Question 79-17(3): Nursing Services In Wrigley

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 79-17(3): Nursing Services In Wrigley

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. The last government was willing to do it. What has changed? Why is the Minister giving us a different story?

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Question 79-17(3): Nursing Services In Wrigley

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

The last government didn’t do it, though. That’s why it’s still here. We are trying to deal with it now. We are trying to provide a service that’s needed.

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Question 79-17(3): Nursing Services In Wrigley

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The Acting Speaker

Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 80-17(3): Mental Health Diversion Courts

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I want to follow up on my earlier questions with the Minister of Justice , if I may. I just want to start by noting that six months ago in this House, when we had our first conversation in the House about the topic of mental health courts and so on, I did in fact ask the Minister at that time when we could see recommendations coming forward that we could actually get going on the ground. The Minister at that time did respond that: “I hope to have that to the Members shortly after Christmas” – this was December 14

th – “as far as when the actual

recommendations come out. We might need a bit more time.” So again, that’s the December 14

th Hansard. I wonder if the Minister agrees that he did make some commitments on the timing that were a little more progressive than what we heard earlier today.

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