Debates of Oct. 31st, 1994

This is page numbers 609 - 640 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was corporation .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Rcmp Awards

Minister Absent From The House

Nunavut Economic Conference

Report On Council Of Ministers Of Education, Canada Meeting, September 26-27

Iqaluit Hunters Lost At Sea

Need For Caution When Driving

Appreciation Of Honourable Don Morin

Importance Of Well Maintained Firefighting Equipment

Inadequate Staffing Of Yellowknife Rcmp Detachment

Lack Of Police Officers In Small Communities

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Resignation Of Awg International Committee Representatives

Status Of Police Shortage In Yellowknife

Cabinet Policy For Ministerial Announcements During Session

Speech Therapy Services For School Age Children

Departmental Plans In Preparation Of Division

Benefit Of Federal Tourism Program To The Nwt

Time Frame For Announcement Of 1995-96 Funding Levels

Enforcement Of Land Claims Legislation By Rcmp

Minister's Liaison With Division Committee Re Ed&t Initiatives

Status Of Economic Development Agreement

Types Of Leases Being Used In Yellowknife

Funding For Upgrading Of Lake Harbour Airstrip

Status Of Search And Rescue Training Program

Halt In Construction Of Arctic Bay Arena

Written Question 26-12(6): Responsibility For Medium Sized Vessels In Ocean Waters Of The Nwt

Return To Written Question 2-12(6): Elders' Residences Operated By The GNWT

Return To Written Question 12-12(6): Effect The 22 Per Cent Proposed Surcharge Will Have On The Costs Of Power To Royal Oak And Miramar Con MinesReturn To Written Question 12-12(6) Asked By Mr. Ballantyne To The Minister Responsible For The Northwest Territories Power Corporation Concerning The Effect The 22 Per Cent Proposed Surcharge Will Have On The Costs Of Power To Royal Oak And Miramar Con Mines.

Return To Written Question 15-12(6): Percentage Of Women Receiving Mammography Screening In NwtReturn To Written Question 15-12(6) Asked By Mr. Dent To The Minister Of Health And Social Services Concerning The Percentage Of Women Receiving Mammography.

Item 10: Petitions

Committee Report 15-12(6): Report On The Northwest Territories Arts Council

Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Bill 21:

An Act To Amend The Fair Practices Act

Bill 16:

An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 2

Bill 18: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 4, 1993-94

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1995-96Committee Report 10-12(6): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Capital Estimates

Bill 7:

An Act To Amend The Arctic College Act

To Delete Clause 5 From Bill 7

To Delete Clause 19 Of Bill 7

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Good afternoon. Before we start on Ministers' statements, I would like to take a few moments to publicly thank an elder, Christine Balsillie, from Fort Resolution for the hours, time and work she has spent in designing this cape. It is very traditional and I hope it is reflective of the traditions of many of the types of work that many of the aboriginal women do in the Northwest Territories. It would be very nice with regard to indicating to our people of the north the work that native women and all women do. It will be displayed, in the future, in the Legislative Assembly. It is something that all northern people should be proud of. I would like to publicly thank her. Thank you.

---Applause

Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 44-12(6): Rcmp Awards

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Madam Speaker, I wish to inform the Members of the Legislature of a number of awards which were recently made by the RCMP in honour of a number of residents in the Northwest Territories.

Commanding Officer Chief Superintendent Brian G. Watt of the RCMP "G" division presented long service awards, along with two commendation citations to 10 individuals on October 28, 1994. The awards presentation occurred at approximately 3:00 pm in the great hall of the Legislative Assembly.

Three long service awards, for 25 years of service were presented to Staff Sergeant Rod O'Brien, Sergeant Jimm Barr and Corporal Brian Vanstone.

Five long service awards, for 20 years of service, were presented to Staff Sergeant Dave Grundy, Sergeant Rick McKillican, Corporal Glen Morash, Corporal Jon Forsythe-Erman and Corporal Ron Jones.

Charlie Thomassie of Resolute Bay was the recipient of the Commissioner's commendation to a civilian. The award was in recognition of the assistance given to the RCMP in the apprehension of an individual who was discharging a firearm in the community.

The commanding officer's commendation to an RCMP member went to Corporal Nolan Butts.

Madam Speaker, I am sure that the Members of the Legislative Assembly will join with me in congratulating these individuals. Mahsi.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 44-12(6): Rcmp Awards

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' Statements. Madam Premier .

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Minister's Statement 45-12(6): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Silas Arngna'naaq will be absent from the House until Wednesday afternoon to attend a fisheries Ministers' meeting in Victoria. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 45-12(6): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Keewatin Central , Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 46-12(6): Nunavut Economic Conference

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Madam Speaker, as Members are aware, I was absent from the House last week to attend the Nunavut economic summit in Rankin Inlet. This conference was organized by Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated and brought together representatives of all the major economic, political and Inuit organizations in Nunavut.

The purpose of this conference was to begin the process of developing a strategy to deal with the economic issues facing Nunavut prior to and after division. Judging from the tremendous participation in this conference and the interesting discussions during the course of the week, this conference provided an important starting point in the development of such a strategy.

Madam Speaker, I would like to commend the organizers of the conference, Nunavut Tunngavik Inc., for recognizing the need for this conference and for their hard work in making it a success.

Madam Speaker, I had the pleasure of being the keynote speaker at the closing banquet of this conference. I had an opportunity at that time to announce a number of important organizational initiatives that the departments of Economic Development and Tourism and Transportation have recently initiated.

Anyone familiar with the tourism industry in the Northwest Territories is familiar with the frustration in trying to develop a territorial-wide tourism strategy. The simple fact of the matter is that tourism operators in the eastern and western Arctic face very different challenges and have very different needs, both in terms of marketing and business assistance.

In an effort to deal with these differences, the Department of Economic Development and Tourism will soon initiate discussions with the private sector on the establishment of two separate tourism authorities for the western Arctic and Nunavut. These new organizations would be led by the private sector in partnership with government. They would be the primary agents responsible for the development of tourism in the east and west, for the delivery of tourism marketing programs presently being delivered by government and for the development of tourism strategies that better fit their region.

Secondly, Madam Speaker, the department will soon begin negotiations on a new economic development agreement with the federal government. It is our intent to negotiate one formal agreement with two sub-agreements for the western Arctic and Nunavut. These sub-agreements will recognize the different economic priorities of the two regions and serve as a model for the new economic development agreements for the two new territories.

Madam Speaker, as Members are aware, during the past 12 months, we have decentralized much of the decision-making and financial authority for both the departments of Economic Development and Tourism and Transportation from headquarters to the regional level. The next logical step in the process is to further reorganize these departments to ensure that there is one senior manager primarily responsible for the operational and planning decisions of the department in the western Arctic and in Nunavut.

I have instructed the deputy ministers of Economic Development and Tourism and Transportation to bring forward these recommendations prior to the end of the year. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 46-12(6): Nunavut Economic Conference

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Minister's Statement 47-12(6): Report On Council Of Ministers Of Education, Canada Meeting, September 26-27

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I wish to honour my commitment to keep this Legislature informed about the national agenda in education and our participation in it.

The Ministers of Education from across this country met in Charlottetown a few weeks ago and made a joint declaration concerning the importance of partnership, excellence and accountability in education.

In late May 1994, the Council of Ministers of Education Canada facilitated the first ever national consultation on education where 495 delegates attended. An attempt was made to involve all sectors of Canadian society: students, educators, trustees, government and education agencies, business and labour, as well as 10 organizations representing the interests of groups such as native Canadians, women and the disabled. The conference identified a number of broad areas for activity.

First, the participants agreed that a national report on education should be developed. People said this report should contain information on the state of education and provide a comparison to education in other countries. People across Canada recognize the challenges we all face in reforming and improving the present education system in this country.

Secondly, Madam Speaker, the Ministers of Education agreed to continue with the school achievement indicators program. This program will become part of the national report on education. You will recall that in 1993, a math test was administered across Canada. Last spring, a reading and writing assessment took place, and we plan to administer a science assessment this spring. Detailed information on the reading and writing assessment should be available in December.

We anticipate that based on preliminary results, we will be close to the national average for writing, but lower in reading abilities. These assessments give us an indication of the performance of our system compared to our curriculum expectations and to the performance of students across the country. The results will help us to identify problem areas and plan for improvements in our systems to better serve our students. Members will recall that we are developing a numeracy and literacy strategy designed to help improve our students' performance in these critical areas.

The third area Ministers agreed to was the need to further both research and planning in the area of distance education and open learning. The Ministers agreed to work on developing a basis for coordination and collaboration in this area. All Ministers see this as a way to increase access to education in a cost-effective manner. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 47-12(6): Report On Council Of Ministers Of Education, Canada Meeting, September 26-27

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Iqaluit Hunters Lost At Sea

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, this weekend, residents of my constituency, friends and relatives from all across the territories have become increasingly alarmed about 10 hunters from Iqaluit who were apparently returning from a walrus hunt last week at the end of Frobisher Bay. They sent an urgent distress call from their 12-metre longliner, about 100 miles from Iqaluit. The call was received by a nearby outpost camp at Tongait, about 11:00 pm last Saturday night. The call came in the midst of very strong winds, snow and rain. The hunters reported that their vessel was without power, drifting and taking in water.

Because of the difficulty transmitting radio messages this time of year, the news of the distress call could not be relayed to Iqaluit from the outpost camp until early Sunday morning. As soon as the message was received, a massive search effort began. Thanks to the presence of Canadian Armed Forces aircraft in Iqaluit for a military exercise, the rescue coordination centre in Halifax was able to mount a very thorough air search as soon as the news was received. An armed forces Aurora aircraft with the best air-to-surface radio was searching continuously all night, until relieved by another search aircraft early this morning. A Hercules and two twin otter aircraft have also been involved.

About 1:00 this morning, a large local vessel with 10 local men aboard left to assist with the search in the area, and very early this morning a fast Department of Fisheries and Oceans patrol vessel left to support on the water.

The latest news is that wreckage believed to be from a vessel has been seen from the air in the area where the boat is believed to have gone missing; about five miles south of Gabriel Island, and in the vicinity of Chase Island. The vessels at sea are now moving to that place and the air search will concentrate on the coast and islands in that area.

I'm grateful to have been kept fully informed by the Honourable Rebecca Mike and her officials in emergency measures. At this moment, the search goes on. We can only hope that the hunters have managed to somehow make it ashore, however, the situation is grave. All we can do now is pray for a miracle. Thank you.

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Iqaluit Hunters Lost At Sea

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Need For Caution When Driving

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In more than 40 years, Madam Speaker, apart from parking tickets, I have had only one traffic violation, and that was in your home town, Madam Speaker.

In 1972 I moved to Fort Smith from the eastern Arctic, and I hadn't driven for several years. I suppose I had forgotten all the rules; at least some of them. Although I had stopped before a school bus drop-off zone, I proceeded before the bus was in motion again; therefore, I had broken the law.

On Friday around 3:00 pm, Madam Speaker, I attended the ceremonies honouring many members of the RCMP in our great hall, and then I drove home around 4:00 pm. I proceeded up Franklin Avenue very carefully, since we received our first snowfall on Thursday night. I had occasion to use my brakes several times since people changed lanes and it made me think about the quick adjustments we have to make in our driving habits when winter finally arrives.

Turning right on Matonabee Street, where I have lived for the past 18 years, I suddenly realized that the vehicle parked on the opposite side of the road beyond the intersection was a school bus. In front of the bus was a mother and child waiting to cross the road. This mother, who I know, had already protested about the failure of motorists to honour the stop sign on the school bus. I admit to finding it difficult to apply my brakes in time to allow the lady to cross the road, although I did stop. Even when we know every speed zone and every traffic zone in our neighbourhood, bells should automatically ring when we see a large, yellow bus. It should be considered a moveable traffic sign.

People expect MLAs to set an example and to educate and make the public aware of many issues. So, tonight, Madam Speaker, on a related issue, when our streets will be full of eager, young trick or treating children, I urge Members and other members of the public to be extra careful and extra cautious. Thank you.

---Applause

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Need For Caution When Driving

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for High Arctic , Mr. Pudluk .

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Appreciation Of Honourable Don Morin

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am going to make a very, very short statement of appreciation. I'm sure my colleague, the Member for Amittuq , will share this with me. I would like to thank the honourable Minister, Don Morin , for keeping his commitment to me last session, March 25, 1994; for approving local status under BIP for us in Pond Inlet. Thank you.

---Applause

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Appreciation Of Honourable Don Morin

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Importance Of Well Maintained Firefighting Equipment

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, during the last session, I raised a concern of inadequate fire alerting systems within many of our communities as a result of aging, deteriorating systems which are proving to be difficult

and expensive to repair, and as a result of the rapid growth of our communities.

During my questioning of the government on this issue, it was discovered that, while MACA provides the capital and O and M funding for firefighting and alerting equipment, Safety and Public Services has the responsibility to inspect and monitor the equipment to make sure that it is effective. I note that last spring, after I raised the issue of problems of fire alerting systems, a Safety and Public Services representative undertook inspections of fire alerting systems in my constituency. Although I'm not certain of the results of those inspections, I appreciate the fact that there was interest shown by the government.

Madam Speaker, the most recent problem identified in my constituency, in both Coppermine and Cambridge Bay, respecting the firefighting system, is the aging of the fire trucks, particularly the difficulty and length of time required to order and receive parts for the fire trucks. On different occasions over the past summer, the fire trucks in both communities were unusable for weeks as a result of waiting for parts. Needless to say, this is a very dangerous situation of having the most critical piece of firefighting equipment unavailable to the community should a fire break out.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .

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Inadequate Staffing Of Yellowknife Rcmp Detachment

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, it is appropriate today that the Minister of Justice gave credit to the RCMP. I was at the awards ceremony last week and I think all of us have to recognize that we have a tremendous police force here in the Northwest Territories. But, unless we get that police force adequate resources, they won't be able to do their job.

Today, I want to talk about policing in the capital city. We are very fortunate in the capital city to have an excellent police force. The RCMP, with their limited resources, do a tremendous job. Staff Sergeant Grundy and the officers in the Yellowknife detachment are doing a lot with inadequate resources. But, the reality is, crime is increasing steadily. In Yellowknife, violent crimes are increasing at an alarming rate, drug crimes are up, and property damage is increasing. Even at the best of times, with the limited manpower here in Yellowknife, there are only five or six officers on duty.

I will give you an example. With holidays and sick time today, for instance, in the city of Yellowknife, there are only three officers protecting a city of 17,000. My understanding is that the detachment is understaffed by six to 10 people, which I find unacceptable. I brought this situation up to the Minister in the past. The Minister assured me at that time that something would be done. I gave the example of Donny Brooks in front of the Gold Range Cafe. At times 100 or 200 people are outside that bar, fights break out, and three or four officers can do nothing. They have to sit and watch it unfold.

The situation now is that shoplifting, bicycle thefts and minor traffic accidents have to be ignored by the RCMP because they don't have the resources to deal with those sorts of investigations. It would be impossible today to deal with a major incident in the city of Yellowknife. There are no resources to conduct ongoing investigations.

So, the situation here in Yellowknife is becoming more and more of an issue. I appreciate the fact that the Minister is looking at innovative solutions to policing across the territories.

Madam Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to continue. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Inadequate Staffing Of Yellowknife Rcmp Detachment

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I also fully support any policing initiatives in small communities. It is important. But, the Minister has a responsibility to all communities. And, the situation that stands today is totally and absolutely unacceptable. I feel, and the people of my constituency and the people of this town feel, that the government has a responsibility to ensure that 17,000 people feel secure in their own community. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Inadequate Staffing Of Yellowknife Rcmp Detachment

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Lack Of Police Officers In Small Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I will also touch on the issue of policing. Madam Speaker, police officers assist us in many ways, not just in accidents and unfortunate situations. They are resource people for a lot of things in the communities. I haven't seen too many accidents in the communities, but we used to have two police officers in our community, and we don't have any at all at this time.

We used to have people replacing RCMP officers, although we didn't expect to have a lot happen in the community. I haven't seen too many problems, besides this summer, with not having police officers. We don't expect to have heavy caseloads for officers; but, we still have the right to have police officers in our communities just to feel safe. When police officers go on holidays, it must be ensured that there is someone replacing them while they are away, because accidents can happen anytime and residents need to feel secure. The topic of RCMP replacements while RCMP officers are on holidays should be considered more. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Lack Of Police Officers In Small Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Madam Premier .

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Further Return To Question 230-12(6): Tb Outbreak In Rae-edzo

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Zoe on October 24, 1994, regarding TB outbreak in Rae-Edzo.

Madam Speaker, since 1988, the Mackenzie Regional Health Service has dedicated a nurse to TB control in Rae-Edzo. An additional term nurse was hired for Rae-Edzo in January 1994 to assist in contact tracing, direct therapy and the development of a TB control database.

The regional medical health officer for the Mackenzie Regional Health Service has been assigned to direct an enhanced program of TB control, which includes prescribing of TB control drugs. Madam Speaker, I have a further return.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, speech therapy services for school-aged children are funded by the Department of Health and Social Services. This is outlined in the publicly distributed Health and Social Services brochure, Your Health Care Benefits, published in 1989.

- Out-of-territory speech therapy is funded as an insured service when there is a medical referral to the nearest approved hospital.

- There are no western Arctic children currently receiving speech therapy services outside of the Northwest Territories. However, this can change as needs arise.

- Any school-aged children who are referred and meet the criteria of the guidelines have their assessments funded.

Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Keewatin Centre, Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Allooloo on October 21st, with respect for the time frame for funding proposals for credit unions.

The department has been actively seeking potential sources of funding which might be used to start a credit union.

As I have stated before, we have received a proposal requesting $1 million in contribution funding from Arctic Cooperatives Ltd. It is our intention to table this funding request at the EDA Management Committee. Because this is under a new EDA funding program, it will be first reviewed at the Policy Committee level to determine its eligibility. We anticipate the Policy Committee will be meeting in late November. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Question 286-12(6): Resignation Of Awg International Committee Representatives

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 613

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. On today's radio newscast, we heard that the two Northwest Territories representatives on the Arctic Winter Games International Committee had resigned. In fact, the spokesperson for the International Committee, our friend, Mr. Gerry Thicke, blames this government as offering these two persons as scapegoats following a committee's decision to award the 1998 Arctic Winter Games to Yellowknife. Have the two Northwest Territories representatives on the Arctic Winter Games International Committee resigned?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am in receipt of a resignation letter from Mr. Cooper. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mr. Thicke, on the radio, indicated that both Mr. Cooper and Mr. Legaree had resigned. Has Mr. Legaree resigned?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My department informs me that over the weekend, when the meeting took place in Eagle River, Mr. Ian Legaree, in protest, handed in his resignation to the committee. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Did these two representatives offer any reasons as to why they were resigning?

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Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am not in receipt of a letter of resignation from Mr. Ian Legaree. However, I have a letter of resignation from Mr. Cooper dated October 26th, that his resignation would be effective October 31st. He outlines how many years he has been involved in the Arctic Winter Games and lets me know he has been privileged to be representing the Northwest Territories. He feels that it is advisable, for personal reasons, to tender his resignation and does so effective October 31st. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Also in the newscast, Mr. Thicke stated that these two representatives were forced to resign and blames the territorial government for forcing these two individuals to resign. Did you or your department ask for the resignations of Mr. Cooper or Mr. Legaree?

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Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Not to my knowledge.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .

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Question 287-12(6): Status Of Police Shortage In Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Justice . Madam Speaker, on a number of occasions, I have brought to the attention of the Minister of Justice the shortage of policing resources in the city of Yellowknife. The Minister of Justice has assured me he would evaluate the situation. What has the Minister done over the past few months to address the serious shortage of policing resources in the city of Yellowknife?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, there are a number of elements to be considered in addressing a request like this. As the Member knows, there are a number of small communities that are without the presence of RCMP officers. These communities are still waiting to hear when and if it will be possible to station RCMP officers in these communities.

The RCMP has been facing cutbacks and restraint for a number of years, at least through the last two governments. It is also a great financial strain on the RCMP to be caught in the middle of a billings dispute between the federal government and this government in relation to the $2 million bill outstanding for additional RCMP being called in to handle the Giant Mine strike. That, after a year and a half, has seen no response from the federal government.

The needs of Yellowknife, as a growing metropolis, are also demanding additional RCMP resources, or at least policing resources. The RCMP is also looking at what is becoming a real concern about the over taxing of their present resources: that is, is it safe for the RCMP members to be stationed alone and to work under the present conditions that they do, and are the allocations done to the best use possible?

There is no specific response to the Member at this time, except to say that it is a larger picture that we're working with and trying to address. At some time or other, the Members of this Legislature, in fact, may do well to get an in-person presentation from the commanding officer of the RCMP, since none of us enjoy a panoramic view of what it means to police the Northwest Territories, a jurisdiction of 1.5 million square miles with 76 communities in it. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I find the response quite unacceptable; it's exactly the same response I got seven months ago and nothing has happened in the interim. My supplementary question to the Minister is, could the Minister tell me exactly what is the shortfall in police officers in Yellowknife presently? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, sorry about that distraction. What the Member is drumming at is, is there going to be money so that we could do something additional for Yellowknife. That was a very nice roundabout way of telling him at this time that there isn't. But for the last couple of years, we have been trying to give additional resources to the RCMP. The Member knows that we're facing deficit situations with additional federal cutbacks looming in the next year. Certainly the message is fairly clear from the Minister of Finance , Paul Martin. I guess the question is have I quit trying; and, the answer is no.

If there is some possible way to, for instance, bring the funding up to where it should be and should have been for the last few years, I will try to do that so at least the actual funding for the RCMP to carry out their contract to us is done at a level where they don't have to have vacancy holding patterns in order to meet the contract that they hold with us. All I can tell the Member is we keep trying to find the money.

But, for instance, whatever additional money we can find, if we cannot get the federal government to agree to arbitration to settle the outstanding bill on the Giant Mine strike, that's a $2 million potential loss if we don't get them to agree to arbitration. If we agree to arbitration I think we can expect most, if not all, of that back. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you. I asked the Minister a simple question and it was a very interesting biblical answer I received from the Minister. My understanding is that there's been a study on policing needs in Yellowknife. Could the Minister please inform this House exactly what is the shortfall of police officers in the city of Yellowknife as of today? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, the opinion, I think, of most elected people across the Northwest Territories is that we are short of RCMP in every community across the Northwest Territories. I'm sure Yellowknife feels no different, and the elected people of Yellowknife feel no differently, and in the minds of RCMP members themselves, I'm sure they would like to have additional police officers stationed everywhere in the Northwest Territories. As I say, the best people to talk to it directly would be the RCMP. I think it's worth considering to invite them to speak directly to Members of this Legislature since it is a concern, not only to Yellowknife, but to every Member of this Legislature. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

My final supplementary, Madam Speaker. My understanding is that the shortfall in the city of Yellowknife is between six and 10 police officers. I have gotten the same response back from the Minister on a number of occasions: there's the big picture, there's the global picture. The reality is that obviously policing needs have to be dependent on statistics, population, crime rates. There are some very verifiable statistics on which one bases decisions; it's not all based on politics.

So my question to the Minister is, the situation in Yellowknife is critical, the situation in Yellowknife stands on its own, will the Minister look at the situation in the city of Yellowknife with a view to addressing this particular situation? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, about a year and a half ago, shortly after I had taken over the portfolio of Justice, I communicated with the commanding officer of the RCMP. At that time, I discussed the same issue as I did with the new commanding officer, Mr. Watt, who came into the job shortly after that: that it's my job, primarily, to pass on the needs of communities, as I see them, through the eyes and the voices of the Legislature and the Members in it. It's his job to meet the policing needs with the existing resources he has under the existing contract. Between the two of us, we should try to work together the best we can under the environment.

It's not this government that has been holding the RCMP to less than what they should have been funded for in the first place. But it's been this government's commitment to try to find the money to bring them back up to speed, so to speak, and that's what I've been trying to do. The RCMP have been assured that that's what I'm still trying to do. As recently as Saturday night, when I met with the Commissioner of the RCMP from Ottawa, the same message was given to him: that we would try to do that.

But all the policing needs of the communities across the north stand on their own, I agree with that. I agree that the policing needs of Yellowknife can stand on their own as well. But it is true, for instance, that the Giant Mine strike didn't happen in Iqaluit, and it didn't happen in Inuvik, and it didn't happen in Resolution; it happened right here in the capital of the Northwest Territories. There is a billing dispute of $2 million. Now, that's a policing need of Yellowknife that's very specific. The jurisdiction falls under the federal government.

The federal government had the power to move into a strike that was starting to escalate and get very ugly. There were calls from everyone to do that; it wasn't done. The problem now, even at this date, is if we don't do anything to get the federal government to recognize it, the same thing can happen again. We would still be stuck with another bill that's unpaid. And the RCMP are the ones who are suffering from this dispute at this time. I raise it because it's a huge billing dispute that's unique to Yellowknife.

We need to recognize that the funding shortfall here is starting to cost us. We've agreed with the Commissioner of the RCMP, Mr. Murray, that we should both try to get the federal government to recognize that, one way or the other, they have to do something. In this case, a specific policing need arising in the city of Yellowknife is going to have a big impact on the level of policing across the territories unless we come to some resolution fairly quickly on it. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We heard a very interesting statement from the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism today, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Government Leader , since many of the announcements that we have heard today came from Mr. Todd about how economic development should proceed, what latitude do Ministers have in making public announcements about organization and policy of government while the House is sitting, where normally such statements are made?

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Question 288-12(6): Cabinet Policy For Ministerial Announcements During Session

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 616

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I don't have the announcement right here so, Madam Speaker, I will take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 616

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Question 289-12(6): Speech Therapy Services For School Age Children

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 616

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services. Madam Speaker, the Minister has confirmed that the Department of Health and Social Services is responsible for funding speech therapy services for school-aged children. It is my understanding that the two speech therapists serving the western Arctic and the Kitikmeot have had to limit their services to preschool-aged children because of workload.

Since Health and Social Services has now confirmed it is responsible, I would like the Minister to outline for us just how new school-aged children who are referred to speech therapists are going to be assessed and treated?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 616

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Health and Social Services, Madam Premier .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 616

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, the Member is quite correct in saying that the speech therapists we presently have are tremendously over-burdened with their workload and not all students requiring speech therapy are able to be seen. I am attempting to address how we're going to solve that problem. But, I want the Member to know that we're quite aware that, among many other things, this area has been determined as a problematic impediment to children with learning disabilities.

Madam Speaker, I would like to confirm to the Member that we are doing everything we can to resolve that particular situation, with the acknowledgement that we know we are understaffed in that area. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Dent .

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Question 289-12(6): Speech Therapy Services For School Age Children

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 616

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister. Madam Speaker, to serve about the same population as the western Arctic and the Kitikmeot, the Yukon has six speech therapists working for their Department of Health, plus one in private practice who is often called upon by the department. I'm glad to hear the Minister is looking at increasing the number of staff in our department. Would she give us an outline of when she expects to have the staff increased in the speech therapy department?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 616

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Health and Social Services, Madam Premier .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 616

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I wish I could be more positive on exactly when we could do that, but the Member is very aware that it is not only the speech therapy area that we're trying to address. Madam Speaker, I will try to do it as quickly as possible, given the fact that the need is not only in Yellowknife and this region; it is spread out across the Northwest Territories. Just trying to reach those communities has been very difficult, even with the travel schedule. Madam Speaker, I will try my best to look at the resources we have during the next couple of months to see where resources can be deployed and where we can set priorities on areas of major concern.

Madam Speaker, I was just reading a report on new findings of the problems that students have in learning if they have a speech impediment. I believe that, with the new statistics that were out, whether they are in the Northwest Territories or across Canada, the numbers are much greater than previously thought. Madam Speaker, this is an area we will try to address as soon as possible. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 616

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Question 290-12(6): Departmental Plans In Preparation Of Division

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 616

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to Madam Premier . The Minister of Economic Development , Mr. Todd , has advised us that he is restructuring two of the departments he is responsible for in preparing for the future division of the Northwest Territories. I would like to ask Madam Premier , are there any plans in any other departments similar to what the Minister of Economic Development is planning? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 617

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 617

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I believe that, for whatever we try to do in the Northwest Territories, we are trying to readjust our thinking to accommodate the new time line we have for 1999, and to plan in that direction no matter what we do, whether it is a readjustment of resources or decentralization. As we are moving ahead, we are trying to work, keeping in consideration that fact that Nunavut will be here in 1999.

Even in the thinking of government, we are trying to make decisions along those lines. I think that can be done from a central agency or by putting out people in the field. We are trying to make sure we are ahead of the game but, at the same time, not taking away from the fact that the federal government has clearly indicated that they would financially support the upgrading of requirements for two territories. At the same time, life has to go on, and we try to program our thinking with the realization that a decision has been made and our thought patterns have to reflect those decisions. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 617

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Supplementary, Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 617

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I recognize that Madam Premier is saying that there are processes in the department now for addressing issues in relation to division. But, I would like her to be more specific. I asked if there are plans currently under way in other departments for dividing up their responsibilities, in preparation for division. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 617

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 617

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, in attempting to address this issue, I don't want to leave the impression that a magical division of powers is necessary at all times. There is an attitude of addressing issues as they come up. We have to begin to think about the time of division. Now, whether it is moving people around with the resources we have, or having a different way of doing things, we, as a government, are committed to trying to think in a forward fashion.

There is going to be division in 1999 and the fact is, we have to continue to support programs and services and cause the least amount of disruption possible. At this point in time, the process is to try to accommodate the fact that changes have to be made and accommodation has to be made to the differences in the level of program services and direction between two territories. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 617

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .

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Question 291-12(6): Benefit Of Federal Tourism Program To The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 617

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Economic Development . Recently, the Prime Minister announced a $50 million program to enhance tourism across the country. My question to the Minister of Economic Development , what will be the concrete benefit to the Northwest Territories of that announcement which was made with much fanfare across the country? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 617

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 617

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. I concur with the honourable Member; it was a good decision made by the Liberal government. The discussions are under way right now. The Prime Minister has appointed -- I don't remember the gentleman's name right now off the top of my head, but he will be in the Yukon, I believe, sometime in the next couple of weeks. My office is communicating with his office to come to Yellowknife to discuss where we may participate in this highly new, creative, innovative and exciting proposal.

So there will be discussions with respect to our involvement. At this time, we haven't sat down with the organizers. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 617

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 617

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I think we're all overwhelmed by the magnitude of this particular program; $50 million in 1994 is an extraordinary amount of money. However, my understanding is that the federal government is looking at coordinating the tourism approaches of the federal government with the provinces. I wonder what discussions have taken place or are anticipated between our government and the federal government in order to coordinate our approaches to tourism.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 617

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 617

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Well, there are always ongoing discussions with respect to our relationship with the federal government; whether it's tourism in the EDA program or just co-management of some of our marketing strategies. This is a very specific initiative announced by the federal government. It was only recently announced in the Globe and Mail; I believe a week or so ago. As I indicated earlier, we intend to sit down with the gentleman who has been appointed by the Prime Minister to see where we're going to participate in this important initiative. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Page 618

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Good afternoon. Madam Speaker, there were some telephone conversations last week back and forth with Ottawa, both with ourselves and Yukon. I think each of us was stressing the fact that there needs to be some certainty as to how much money will be in the new formula for the next fiscal year as we are preparing budgets for next year. I think we now have got the point across to the federal government that there needs to be some certainty for us. So I would anticipate that sometime in the next three months we should get some certainty from Ottawa if we cannot get it faster than that, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 618

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I believe that the Minister of Finance and his officials are well advanced in preparing the operations and maintenance estimates for the Government of the Northwest Territories for the new fiscal year. In fact, I believe that the Standing Committee on Finance is scheduled to review those main estimates in January of 1995. I would like to ask the Minister of Finance , on what assumptions as far as the federal deficit grant is concerned has he and his officials prepared the O and M budget for 1995-96 for the GNWT? Thank you.

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Page 618

John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, we have not yet concluded the O and M budget for next year, which I know the Standing Committee on Finance is anxious to see before Christmas. The assumptions that are always used when putting together budgets are trying to ascertain what the economy of Canada will be next year, trying to look at what the population increases or decreases might be. So it's just the normal kind of premise. Even though we will not have a signed agreement effective April 1st, we're using what we would normally use in the existing formula to project revenues for next year, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

I understand, Madam Speaker, that the budget will be prepared assuming the very best; that present funding levels will continue to be stable, as Mr. Irwin stated in his recent press release. I guess I would like to ask the Minister of Finance , if he expects to find out firm details within three months, could we receive news about the levels of funding to the Northwest Territories in the federal Minister of Finance's budget, to be brought down sometime in February, 1995? Is that when we might hear for sure where we stand? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, I would not anticipate that we would hear at that particular time. I would think that we would hear prior to being in the budget session next winter. So I would say it may happen before Christmas, but certainly I would see it happening before the session. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 618

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Justice , related to work done by RCMP. The RCMP are under contract to this government to enforce laws, and it's my understanding that they're empowered to enforce all federal legislation. We now have various land claims in the north and they're all enacted by federal legislation, therefore it should follow that RCMP should be empowered to enforce land claims legislation. So my question to the Minister is, can the Minister confirm whether this is the case or not?

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Page 618

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Question 293-12(6): Enforcement Of Land Claims Legislation By Rcmp

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi. I'm aware of the arbitration mechanisms in some of the claims. In the agreements, there are different categories of lands. A lot of it, depending on the category, is now private land. There are provisions within the claims for access; to access these private lands and use these lands. So, if someone trespasses on private land, who can the landowner call? Can they call the RCMP and ask them to enforce the trespassing provisions within the agreements?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, I should take the question as notice, since the Member also commented that the RCMP are mandated to work with all federal legislation to ensure they are enforced. I'm not certain that is the case, for instance, with drugs and narcotics, or the Food Administration Act. I'm not sure that the RCMP covers all of that under the policing agreement. So, I will answer the specific question you raised and also the general issue of what all the RCMP are presently responsible for enforcing. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

I understood the honourable Minister was taking the question as notice. Once Members take a question as notice, there is no need to given an explanation. Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Question 294-12(6): Minister's Liaison With Division Committee Re Ed&t Initiatives

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I note in Mr. Todd 's Minister's statement today about the Nunavut economic summit that he made a few very important announcements. One has to do with the establishment of two tourist boards, as well as the establishment of what really looks like two separate departments of Economic Development and Tourism and, possibly, the establishment of two offices to administer the economic development agreement.

Since these announcements represent pretty major changes in the way we administer government in the Northwest Territories, and since we have a special committee, a strong committee, for the division of assets, liabilities and so on, I would like to ask the Minister -- since he's a Member of that committee -- has he discussed these major changes with that committee?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. First of all, I don't see them as major changes. I think they are part and parcel of an orderly transfer of what is going to happen in 1999 and, no, at this time, I haven't discussed this with the committee.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The question of whether something is major or minor is obviously a question of judgement. I would like to ask the Minister, since he's responsible for other departments in addition to the Department of Economic Development and Tourism, and since this reflects the way he would like government to be administered, does he have plans to do the same thing with any of his other responsibilities?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I think it is incumbent upon all departments and all services in government to prepare an orderly plan for the division of the territories in 1999. Thank you, Madam Premier .

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Just to correct you, Mr. Todd . It is Madam Speaker. Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Lewis .

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister, Madam Speaker, since he's a member of the Special Joint Committee on Division and since he is there because he holds Cabinet rank and has responsibilities, if these are just minor things, then what kinds of things is he referring to that committee that we need to look at, in anticipation of division?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Madam Speaker, I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. Maybe the honourable Member could assist me in clarifying it.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Mr. Lewis , do you want to try to rephrase your question?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Madam Speaker, maybe it is the wrong

interpretation of this document, but as I understand it, two senior level people are going to be established to look after

economic development; one in the east and one in the west. Since this, in effect, creates two departments -- which I consider to be major and which Mr. Todd obviously doesn't -- would he give us an example of what major things are being referred to the Special Joint Committee on Division? Because, establishing two departments, or virtually two departments, I consider to be major.

Could he give us an example of the kinds of major things that he is referring to this committee, from his perspective as a Cabinet Minister, so that the issues of division can be properly dealt with in the committee, which we set up especially to deal with division issues?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

There seems to be some misinterpretation by the honourable Member, Madam Speaker. I'm not talking about creating two new positions, I'm merely talking about assigning current positions for the specific purposes of developing a strategy for the orderly transfer of those departments for 1999 in Nunavut. And, of course, any of the stuff that would come forward by these people would be vetted through the Special Joint Committee on Division. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Question 295-12(6): Status Of Economic Development Agreement

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , what is the current status of the economic development agreement between the Northwest Territories and Canada? Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. It is good to be back. We are still under the current EDA agreement. Negotiations will be beginning very shortly with respect to a new agreement. As I indicated in my speech earlier, what I would like to see is an agreement that addresses the particular interests of each geographical location in the territories, but it would be negotiated as a whole. I think that's correct, Madam Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, along with Mr. Todd and other Members of the Assembly, I was at the Nunavut Tunngavik Search for Tomorrow conference on an economic strategy for the Inuit of Nunavut. I heard a lot of support at that conference for localized decision-making and for a reduction of red tape in programs to assist business. Delegates seemed especially convinced that the EDA agreement has become unduly centralized and bureaucratic.

So, my supplementary question to the Minister is, does the Minister agree with these concerns about an overly centralized and bureaucratic process acting as a barrier to businesses seeking assistance under the present EDA? Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Well, the short answer, Madam Speaker, is yes. We are trying to streamline the EDA. I think anybody who has been involved in politics or out of politics knows, historically, how time consuming it is. I would like to point out that, hopefully, the new EDA, as it is negotiated, would bring about the kinds of changes that were not only identified at the economic summit in the Keewatin last week, but have been identified over the last three or four years by many Members of this House, and in particular by many people directly affected by it.

It is our intention, if it is at all possible in government, to try to streamline it and to make it a little more effective in its delivery. Certainly, we are trying to reach that accommodation with the federal government at this time. Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you. The Minister, in his answer, referred to more effective delivery. I would like to ask the Minister, does he believe that more effective delivery could be accomplished by more localized and regionalized decision-making on EDA applications for assistance? Thank you.

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John Todd

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