Debates of March 2nd, 1998

This is page numbers 1205 - 1264 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Ministers Absent From The House

NWT Leadership In Developing Social Studies Curriculum

Arctic Winter Games

Northwest Territories Protected Areas Strategy

Appointment Of Cindy Caudron To The National Parole Board

Success In Addressing The Deficit Situation

Workers' Compensation Board Yearly Maximum Insurable Remuneration

Alcohol And Drug Tragedies In Smaller Communities

Construction Of The Wha Ti Fire Hall

Kids Help Phone-line Bowlathon

National Math Testing Results

Return To Oral Question 254-13(5): Legal Requirement For Contract Reporting

Return To Oral Question 270-13(5): Custom Adoption Commissioner For Inuvik

Return To Oral Question 284-13(5): Need For An Elders' Home In Broughton Island

Return To Oral Question 371-13(5): Organ Donor Identification

WCB Yearly Maximum Insurable Renumeration

National Mathematics Testing Results

Calgary Based Diamond Company

Assistance To Tl'oondih Healing Society

Addressing Social Problems

Workers' Compensation Board Division Plan

Status Of Keewatin Pilot Projects

Proposal To Meet In Fort Mcpherson

Tabled Document 70-13(5): Naturally North: The Natural Regions Of The Western Northwest TerritoriesTabled Document 71-13(5): Naturally North: The Natural Regions Of Nunavut

Tabled Document 72-13(5): Nti News Release: Opposition To Keewatin Pilot Project

Coordination Of Inter-jurisdictional And Inter-departmental Initiatives

Reallocation Of Departmental Surpluses

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

To Institute Compulsory Home Economics And Shop Programs In All High Schools

To Review The Income Support Program To Ensure Fairness And Equity

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Thompson . Good morning. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 81-13(5): Ministers Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Kelvin Ng will be absent from the House today and tomorrow to attend a meeting of Ministers responsible for Seniors in Victoria, British Columbia. As well the Honourable Goo Arlooktoo will be absent from the House for today and tomorrow to travel to Russia and Alaska to discuss trade opportunities and to promote the export of northern housing materials and expertise in the design, financing, construction and expediting of housing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 82-13(5): NWT Leadership In Developing Social Studies Curriculum

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good Morning. Mr. Speaker, as the only jurisdiction in the country that has a majority of aboriginal people, the NWT is in a unique position to provide leadership in developing school curricula that reflects aboriginal perspective. Education, Culture and Employment staff have been providing this leadership in developing a social study curriculum under the Western Canadian Protocol. Under this agreement, ECE staff are working with departments responsible for education in the four western provinces and the Yukon to develop common school curricula.

The Northwest Territories has strongly promoted the involvement of aboriginal people in developing the social study's curriculum and in ensuring that aboriginal perspective is included. As a result of the NWT's efforts and with the agreement of the other jurisdictions, aboriginal staff from the two territories and four western provinces took

part in a recent meeting of the social studies working group in Edmonton. Aboriginal staff are now part of the team designing the document which will provide a foundation for the social studies project. The participation of aboriginal people in this kind of curriculum project signals a change in the way curriculum is written in our country.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 82-13(5): NWT Leadership In Developing Social Studies Curriculum

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 83-13(5): Arctic Winter Games

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today it gives me great pleasure to speak to the Members about the young people from the Northwest Territories who will compete at the 1998 Arctic Winter Games being held here in Yellowknife from March 15th-21st. Sport has always been a positive way to develop healthy people and to build strong communities in the Northwest Territories.

Within a few weeks time, NWT athletes will be coming together to compete in this important circumpolar event. They will be joining athletes from Alaska, Yukon, northern Alberta, Greenland and Russia. In all, a total of nearly 2,000 athletes, coaches, officials and visitors will be participating in this important celebration of sport, culture and Arctic friendship.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to provide Members with some information about our NWT Team. The team is selected through regional and territorial trials. The selection process differs for each sport. The 1998 Arctic Winter Games Team consists of 352 participants, including athletes, coaches and mission staff from 35 different communities across the north. In addition, 120 officials from across the NWT will also be involved. Team NWT will be competing in all 19 sports including traditional events such as dog sledding, Inuit and Dene games, snowshoeing and Inuit wrestling.

I will be sharing with Members of this Assembly, a list of the athletes from each constituency, who have earned the right to represent the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to recognize the efforts of the hundreds of volunteer coaches, managers, chaperons and organizers whose time and commitment create this wonderful opportunity for our young people. I wish to also thank all the parents and other adults who provide the family support for our youth to reach their athletic potential, pursue personal excellence and develop socially and culturally within the context of fair and honest competition. There is still much to be done in these last few weeks leading up to the games.

Volunteering is a great way to experience the games and to extend our famous northern hospitality to our visitors. I encourage potential volunteers to please contact the Arctic Winter Games Office and they will find a job for you.

I hope that all Members of this House will be able to enjoy the Arctic Winter Games and support the young athletes from your constituencies. Later on, I will be providing Members with souvenir pins of the games which I encourage you to wear with pride.

Mr. Speaker and Members of this Assembly, please join me in congratulating the organizers, coaches, officials, staff and above all the athletes who will represent the Northwest Territories at the Arctic Winter Games. We wish Team NWT the best of luck in their competitions. May they compete in the spirit of friendship and goodwill? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 83-13(5): Arctic Winter Games

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Thompson . Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 84-13(5): Northwest Territories Protected Areas Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the creation of a Protected Areas Strategy for the Northwest Territories (NWT) is one of the priorities of this government. Once the strategy is in place, it will provide a framework for the overall development and management of a system of protected areas in the NWT.

Much work has been done in developing information on protected areas issues for community groups and the general public. A quarterly newsletter keeps interested parties up-to-date on the development of the strategy. It also highlights the participation of various regions of the NWT and the roles different government departments can play.

Two other publications, which I will table later today, provide information on the various eco-zones of the north. This system of land classification is used across Canada and will help contribute to the framework for a system of protected areas. Entitled Naturally North, one publication focuses on the western Northwest Territories and the other on Nunavut. These booklets define the natural regions by describing the plants, animals and landscapes that make up each of the seven eco-zones in the Western Territory and the six eco-zones in Nunavut.

The Nunavut edition is available in Inuktitut and Inuinnaqtun. These publications will be distributed throughout the NWT to encourage participation in this important initiative. Thank you.

--Applause

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 348-13(5): Appointment Of Cindy Caudron To The National Parole Board

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, before the House recesses, I would like to take the opportunity to recognize one of my constituents, Cindy Caudron, who was recently appointed to the National Parole Board. I would like to extend my congratulations to Cindy and wish her every success with her new appointment. Cindy, her mother Doris and one of her older sisters have all been social workers in my riding of Hay River. Another sister is a social worker in Fort Smith. Mr. Speaker, Cindy and her family have displayed a commitment to social work in the north.

Cindy is a long-time northerner and has been a resident of Hay River since 1969. She attended school in Hay River and completed her post secondary education at Arctic College and the Nechi Institute outside of Edmonton. The curriculum at the Nechi Institute combines community addictions, counselling services, suicide intervention and organizational development with an aboriginal cultural perspective.

After obtaining her social work diploma, Cindy was assigned to the community of Fort Providence. It was here where she came to the attention of the National Parole Board. Cindy had developed a unique parole system incorporating the concept of community empowerment in the parole process. This innovative model is now in use in many other communities in Canada. Cindy represents the Northwest Territories, the Yukon Territory, Saskatchewan and Alberta on the National Parole Board. Although the parole board is headquartered in Saskatchewan, Cindy chooses to remain and fulfil, as much as possible, her board obligations from her home town community of Hay River. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 348-13(5): Appointment Of Cindy Caudron To The National Parole Board

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 349-13(5): Success In Addressing The Deficit Situation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, tomorrow we should conclude the 1998-99 budget. This will be the last joint budget of this territorial Assembly. Mr. Speaker, of late, we have been consumed and I think somewhat diverted by some of the tempests that have swirled about in this Legislative tea pot. It has detracted a lot from the good work we have

accomplished in the last three years. We have gone from a $150 million deficit to ending up this year with a surplus. That is good work on our part. There were a lot of hard work and decisions that were made by everybody, a lot of restructuring and other activity that had to take place to accomplish this. We could not have done it if we had not worked as an Assembly. Mr. Speaker, this is the last major initiative, in my opinion, of this Assembly. From here on in we are going to tend to operate as eastern and western Caucuses getting ready for division.

I see the focus now for myself, and I think, for western MLAs for nailing down adequate formula financing arrangements with the federal government and to do the strategic planning that is going to be necessary for us as a Western Territory to be ready and up and running smoothly April 1, 1999. As we labour these next long days ahead of us until tomorrow night, we should not forget that we have done good work here and we are leaving the budget in a lot better shape than when we first found it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 350-13(5): Workers' Compensation Board Yearly Maximum Insurable Remuneration

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I issued a constituency newsletter recently and in it I had a statement about the Workers' Compensation Board's YMIR, or Years Maximum Insurable Earnings. Members will recall that last fall we had legislation to change the YMIR from $49,000 to $52,000. In my newsletter I stated that an injured worker could collect up to $52,000 per year. I received some feedback on that statement from several people and it appears the true picture of the YMIR needs some explanation.

The most an injured worker can collect is 90 percent of the net of $52,000 after deductions of such items as CPP, UIC and income tax. For example, a typical northern worker who earned $52,000 or up, would see deductions of about $17,000 for a net pay total of about $34,000. The YMIR would be 90 percent of that $34,000. In fact, even the same worker earning $90,000 could only collect on a base of $52,000 less the deductions of UIC, CPP, income tax, et cetera and would only end up with about $34,000 or $31,000, about one third of his previous pay.

Many people up here in the north earn great high incomes. Should they become injured and go on compensation with a 100 percent disability, their standard of living would plummet dramatically. The point I am trying to make, Mr. Speaker, people should understand exactly what it is that they can expect and my statement today is to give people a sense of what the actual coverage is. Workers and especially employers here in the north need to be informed about this. Hopefully, later today during question period I can ask the Minister responsible some questions on this.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 351-13(5): Alcohol And Drug Tragedies In Smaller Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today with a heavy heart and a lot of stress which I have been under during the last week for the community of Fort McPherson which had to face a tragic death that was headline news in some newspapers in regard to a murder that took place. Along with that, we also lost a very respected elder. On Saturday, there was a passing of a young lady who was in the long-term care unit in Inuvik. Within the last week, we have lost three people in the community of Fort McPherson.

The reason I stand here today with a heavy heart is because, as an elected leader, I came to this House hoping to make a change and make life better for the people I represent. I have passed many motions in this House. I have made many long, drawn out speeches in regard to the Tl'oondih Healing Program and the help it did for the few individuals who had the opportunity of taking it. I believe without that facility, I see a real increase in the number of crimes and violent deaths occurring in my community.

Since I was elected, Mr. Speaker, I have had to deal with four violent deaths in my riding, all alcohol related. It is a tragedy, especially when a young life is being taken. The thing that upsets me the most, Mr. Speaker, is that I have passed motions in this House and in committee of the whole. I have made several statements in this House in regard to the alcohol and drug problems we see in our communities and health problems we see in the lives of aboriginal people in aboriginal communities.

The cycle that we find our young people in is, where they are stuck in institutions, such as jails, young offenders' facilities and also group homes, they take the problem from the community and they allow the problem to go back home. These two young individuals who were involved in the incident in Fort McPherson were stuck in that cycle of life where they were stuck in institutions ever since they were young, 12, 13 year-old children. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member from Mackenzie Delta is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Krutko , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 351-13(5): Alcohol And Drug Tragedies In Smaller Communities

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. We have to break that cycle as leaders. I thought coming to this House, I was going to improve the life of the people in the communities I represent and not have to hear about a young friend of mine being buried at age 33, a young man who was a member of our band council, was involved in the community and was the radio operator at the airport, to see this young man on Friday and hear that he passed away on Sunday.

I ask for all of your support here today and the people across the north to hear this message: when are we going to change the lives of those people in the communities when it comes to alcohol and drugs which affect everybody in the community? We cannot continue to stand up and make statements every time an incident happens. We have to find a way to prevent these things from happening in our communities. I ask all my colleagues here today and the people out there in the other communities, we all have to work together to resolve this issue.

It has affected me greatly in regard to issues I have been raising for the last three years and now have to stand up in this House and make this statement again.

Please, help those people that need the help the most, those people who are desperate, those people who are without jobs, without any hope in the communities of going anywhere because they are unemployed. They are on welfare. There is no hope of jobs being developed out there and they look at all the younger people whom we are putting through our school systems. What opportunity do we have to get a better life for them if there are no economic opportunities in our communities? We have to look at the communities as a part of an overall community of the Northwest Territories.

We cannot look at one area where oh, there are diamonds in the ground, so let us go great guns over there. There is oil in the Beaufort; let us go crazy over there. Everything comes down to dollars and cents in this world, but what is the value of one person's life. With that, please, think about the people in those communities. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 352-13(5): Construction Of The Wha Ti Fire Hall

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to congratulate the Lac La Martre Development Corporation, Department of MACA and Public Works for the two-bay fire hall that will be constructed this year.

After several weeks of hard negotiating between the parties at the final hour last week, all parties came to an equitable agreement. This is good news for Wha Ti, as it will bring badly needed employment, training opportunities and, of course, a new fire hall. With many years experience the corporation will provide an efficient and hardworking team to the project, which will give the community a foundation of good fire protection.

I again, would like to congratulate all the parties involved and will celebrate the grand opening in a few months time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 353-13(5): Kids Help Phone-line Bowlathon

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to congratulate the Yellowknife Bowling Club on raising $62,000 for the Kids' Help Phone-line on Saturday.

--Applause

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Every year, there is a bowlathon that is held Canada-wide for the Kids' Help line. There is participation across the Northwest Territories, too, of course. The phone line is open for all children who have problems at home, at school or whatever. You can phone in anonymously. It is a 1-800 number. You do not have to tell your name. It does not matter what your problem is there are trained people who will help children. I understand there were more than 400 calls from the NWT last year.

This year, Mr. Dent , myself and Alex Arychuk bowled, and we had the good fortune to be graced with the presence of the Premier , who was not able to bowl last year because of his wounded knee. We played two games. The first game was a regular bowling game. The second game was what they call, glow bowling. You have flashing lights, glowing balls, loud dancing music, that type of thing. I do not really know what the Premier did as a youth, Mr. Speaker, but he really came into his own during the psychedelic game. He was bouncing around with eyes flashing and he doubled his score from what he got in his first game.

Mr. Speaker, the bowlers themselves got pledges for $31,000. This was matched by the Elk's Hall with an additional $31,000, for a total of $62,000. The league pledges have still not come in. They hope to get $64,000.

Our team would like to thank BHP, Diavik and all the individuals who also pledged. We would also like to thank Debbie Euchner, who has been the coordinator for the past two years, as well as all the volunteers who helped across the Northwest Territories. They are all to be congratulated. They have done a wonderful job and keep up the good work. Our kids need the help line. Thank you.

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 354-13(5): National Math Testing Results

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the recent testing done nationally in the area of math demonstrated a concern with the functional level of our students with the results. Mr. Speaker, results of national tests sometimes do not reflect the cultural diversity of the north. However, it would be interesting to note, if the tests that were done could be broken down by territorial region and location. For example, the majority of students at the testing level would have been tested in their second language in Nunavut. As a result, the assessments may not reflect the true level of our students.

However, as noted by Mr. Dent last week, there is some concern with the results. Are the results reflective of a problem with the curriculum or are they reflective of other problems? Mr. Speaker, later today, I will ask the Minister responsible for Education some questions on this matter. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return

asked by Mr. Picco on February 6, 1998, legal requirement for contracting reporting.

The requirement to publish a list of payments to contractors which exceed $5,000 was a decision of this government and is not a requirement of the Financial Administration Act.

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Samuel Gargan

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you. On behalf of Mr. Ng , if I may, Mr. Speaker. There was a question asked by Mr. Roland on February 10th, with respect to custom adoption.

The Department selected a candidate for the post of custom adoption commissioner for Inuvik following nominations from the community. On February 13, 1998, the custom adoption commissioner training package was mailed to the candidate. The Minister will make an appointment once this person successfully completes the training package. This appointment is expected to be made in the near future.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Enuaraq on February 11, 1998 asked with respect to an elders' home in Broughton Island.

The Department of Health and Social Services supports the promotion of independence for elders by providing home care services which enables the elder to stay in his home community for as long as possible.

We recognize that at times the needs of elders become much greater than can be provided for by the family and the home care supports. Sometimes, it is necessary for the elder to move to a facility which can provide the necessary care.

As it is not economically feasible to construct long-term care homes in each community, we are promoting the use of regional long-term care facilities for such a service. In the case of the Baffin region, the facility would be the Iqaluit Elders' Home or for an even higher level of care, the Baffin Regional Hospital in Iqaluit.

We have consulted with the regional health care providers on the current status of the needs of the elders in Broughton Island. At this time, there are elders who are receiving minimal support services, such as medicating or supported living. We are pleased that the elders are successfully being supported in this way, enabling them to remain in their home.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Last, Mr. Speaker, if I may, with respect to a question asked by Mr. Henry on organ donor identification.

Some provinces use the driver's licences for organ donor information. In Alberta, the organ donor agreement is incorporated on the health care card. This system has been in place for the last three years and has not caused any confusion with other jurisdictions.

The Department of Health and Social Services are looking at the possibility of including organ donor information on health care cards. Currently, only 25 percent of the entire NWT population hold a valid driver's licence,

whereas the majority of residents hold a valid NWT Health Care Card. This approach would provide greater coverage of NWT residents.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today, I made a statement about the amount of money a person on 100 percent disability gets in the case of an accident from the Workers' Compensation Board. There seems to be little knowledge by many people out there of the fact that because we set the YMIR at $52,000, the impression is that the person may get $52,000. I do not think that is the case. Can the Minister instruct the Workers' Compensation Board to provide a better explanation or a publicity program to let both workers and employers know what the actual amount will be that a worker may receive in the event of an accident? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Ootes is correct. This is a frequently asked question, what exactly is the net take-home pay, et cetera, for injured workers as it relates to the YMIR. I will speak, once again, to the Chairperson, Joanne Deneron, of the Workers' Compensation Board, and see, as they have done in the past, if they can continue to explain, both to employers and workers, what the net impact of YMIR means, what the recent increase was and how it affects the injured workers. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

The concern also is the amount of money that a potential high earner ends up with. Those who may have been in the $60,000, $70,000, $80,000 range, really take a drastic cut. With the help of the Workers' Compensation Board, does the Minister have any intention of addressing this particular issue, of changing the YMIR again down the road in a short

while? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

The current fiscal position of the Workers' Compensation Board is really a full credit to not only the management of the Workers' Compensation, but to the board of directors. I would only caution my colleague by saying that has only happened in the last four or five years. Prior to that, of course, they were in fairly difficult times because it is all contingent on how successful their investment policy is, what the markets are, et cetera, because they are not only in North American markets, they are in offshore markets.

Their ability to compensate is based upon, in my opinion anyway, their fiscal positions, at least their investment side. The YMIR itself is a recommendation made by the board of directors to the Minister, who then has the House approve it. I have said on a number of occasions my preference would be that the board of directors would make that decision and it would require legislative approval. However, I know the board of directors meets or reviews the YMIR, as they do pensions and everything else, on an annual basis.

I will bring the concern raised by my honourable colleague to the Chairperson and to the board later next week. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I just caught a comment by the Minister at the end. Is it possible for the board to change the YMIR or does it have to be done through legislation?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Unfortunately, in my opinion, as the Minister responsible, it has to be done through legislation. As Mr. Henry and others spoke about earlier last week, there is clearly a need to revamp the legislation that covers the Workers' Compensation Board. I have said that. Unfortunately, I have also said that our legislative agenda is choked. Certainly, right now, the board of directors provides the Minister with the recommendation, who then moves forward on legislation for the YMIR.

I know the board does review YMIR as it does all its others, both in the accident and pension funds, on a yearly basis, based upon their need, financial ability, et cetera. Certainly, this board has acted in a fair and reasonable way. I do concur with my colleague the cost of living in this part of the country is very, very high and difficult to live on the kinds of net dollars that come about here. I would say, from my experience as the Minister for some time, there are a significant number of our injured workers who now, understandably so, reside in the south. Thank you.

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Question 474-13(5): National Mathematics Testing Results

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, following up on my earlier Member's statement about the national test results in math. Can the Minister of Education let us know what areas or regions of the Northwest Territories were included in that test? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, all regions of the Northwest Territories were included. Almost all schools participated. Out of 50-some schools in the territories, there were eight or nine that did not participate. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is it possible to break out the results by region and community? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the School Achievement Educators Program, testing, the territories to date has been treated as one jurisdiction, and there is no way to identify the results by what region of the territories they come from.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, the testing results just became public last week. Has the department had an opportunity to analyze or will they be analyzing the reports and the findings of the national test?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The work has started to review the results of the test. In about six or eight weeks there will be a more detailed, technical report that will be issued, which will provide us with more opportunity to develop some plans for the future.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, the analysis that will be done by the Department of Education, would that be made available to the Members, the NWTTA and other interested parties so they would be able to review the information and maybe work pro-actively and hopefully, change and turn around those test scores? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The detailed report to which I referred, Mr. Speaker, is actually prepared by the Council of Ministers of Education of Canada. The report that came out last Thursday or Friday was just a

summary report and there is a much more detailed report that comes out in six or eight weeks. The department will involve its partners, the divisional education councils in assessing where we go from here. It is important to mention, that this year we have across the Northwest Territories introduced a new math curriculum. This test would not reflect that new curriculum because these tests we are getting the results for now were conducted in the Northwest Territories last April. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . Mr. Speaker, this morning I heard an interview on CBC with a woman from a company working in the diamond-related industry. I am not exactly sure what the nature of their business is. However, she certainly sounded much more familiar with the north, with the nature of the work aboriginal people do in terms of art and that type of thing than the gentleman from De Beers had, when he spoke to us in England. Can the Minister expand on the nature of business this Calgary company is doing and why we would like them to set up shop here in the north?

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The Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand the company is in the business of buying rough diamonds to get into cutting and polishing, which is the business they are in. They are based out of Calgary, with a subsidiary in Antwerp. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister elaborate on how large an organization this is? Is it a small company or one of worldwide reputation?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I cannot give details on the company. They are one of many companies that are interested in accessing rough diamonds in the north, in setting up a cutting and polishing industry. We are discussing this with a number of other interested companies and entrepreneurs. The positive thing about it is, they had thought about setting operations in Calgary. We contacted them and invited them to come up and look at the option of setting up operations here in the north. As they said publicly, they are now reconsidering their original decision. There is a positive note in the newscast. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What types of advantages could we look forward to by getting them to actually set up shop here in Yellowknife, rather than in Calgary? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the possibilities are companies can train and/or just hire experienced workers in the diamond industry, workers who know how to cut, polish and work with diamonds. We think there are possibilities for setting up operations either on a factory basis or on a cottage industry basis. It certainly means there are spin-off opportunities, if such possibilities are realized through support industries such as the sale and maintenance of tools, possibly other activities that would be required as a result of operations like those being set up here in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, many of us have spoken about the benefits of having a secondary diamond industry in the north here, including the honourable Minister. Could the Minister indicate what we, as a government, would be willing to do in order to either assist and to woo this particular company or some other similar company to set up

shop here in the north, in terms of concessions or training? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The companies that we have contacted and the diamentaires whom we have talked to, we have been having general discussions with them for the last year or so. It is important to note that many of the things that are required before firm commitments are made are not in place yet. However, we have made it known that we will do what we can to create a positive work environment for the diamond industry to be established here in the north.

It means looking at areas of taxes, training dollars, providing monies either in terms of loans or contributions, to ensure it has a positive environment in which to be established. We have made no definite or extraordinary commitments other than those we use conventionally to encourage businesses to start up here in the north. Thank you.

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Question 476-13(5): Assistance To Tl'oondih Healing Society

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Premier . It is in regard to my Member's statement, the circumstances where we find ourselves in the Mackenzie Delta with these violent deaths we are seeing, where there seems to be an increase. I would like to ask the Premier if he could possibly assist me in regard to the motion that was recently passed in committee of the whole of previous motions which have asked for support to the Tl'oondih Healing Society.

I would like to ask the Premier if it is possible, as the Premier and the leader of this government, that they can try to find some sort of financial arrangement between the regional health board and the Department of Social Services and Health, to sit down and look at a possible, viable way of maintaining that operation.

In the last year, the Tl'oondih Healing Society has put forth four proposals to hold different types of workshops to assist people in the community with different healing matters. To date, they have only received one approval which will be a program run later on this week. Can the Premier possibly assist me in this matter, in regard to the motions that have been passed in this House, and if there is a way to find some workable financial arrangement with the regional health board and the Tl'oondih Healing Society? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We all realize the problems that we have in the Northwest Territories with drugs and alcohol. I will request the Minister of Health to work with the health board, as well as the Member's community, in the Fort McPherson, Inuvik, Beaufort-Delta area, to see how they can make use of that facility and work together to deliver programs in the region that are needed. Thank you.

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Question 477-13(5): Addressing Social Problems

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The communities, in regard to the government, were seeing a real increase in costs, especially when you look at the $1 million we had to come up with through supplementary to offset the costs of the overtime that we are paying guards and people transporting inmates from the communities to Yellowknife, or wherever. We have to find a more workable solution to deal with the young offenders and how they are dealt with, not just by putting them in group homes, but deal with the anger and frustration that these people take with them and try to find a way to deal with them in the communities.

In the case of these two young men, we have to find a way to work it through. I would like to ask the Premier if he could also keep that in mind with all the money being spent elsewhere, if we can keep as much of those resources in the communities to assist with these types of problems? Thank you.

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That is a new question. I will ask the Premier to respond.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I agree with the Member. We have to try to solve our problems at the community level. We have to work with our community members as leaders to try to solve our social problems. We are committed as a government to do that. I know before there was a travelling program for rehab in our communities.

Our young people, who are in our educational system where we have to work, with our leaders in the community, our education societies, our divisional boards of education, as well as our divisional health boards to make sure there is proper programming in the school, so people are aware of problems that exist, and they come up with solutions together to solve these problems at the community level. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 478-13(5): Workers' Compensation Board Division Plan

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for WCB . Mr. Speaker, can the Minister give us a status report or rather an update on the plans the WCB has as it relates to division? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My understanding is there were discussions earlier last week, with

What is important for everybody to understand is the WCB is slightly different from everybody else. WCB members are funded by the employers and not by the government. We have to be extremely cognizant of that. Any additional expense, for example, that may come about because of it, has to be paid through the fiscal condition of the WCB or an increase in the rates et cetera.

My understanding at this stage of the game is, there is a desire to look at the possibility of two boards. However, there seems to be some legal, jurisdictional problems associated with that. That was the advice I received earlier last week. There is the desire possibly to expand, not necessarily to put a Nunavut WCB in place, but to expand some of the jobs that are currently in place. For example, the two jobs in Rankin Inlet and two in Iqaluit on the Occupational Health and Safety side of things, not necessarily on the WCB side of things, but on the Safety Officers and Mining Inspectors. There is some desire there to look at moving some of those jobs out east.

The whole thing boils down to, who is going to pay and what the cost is. It is a little early in the process for me to really give my colleague a clear indication of how I think it is going to unfold. I know that significant discussions will be taking place by the officials and by the players and the Interim Commissioner's office and the Western Coalition. It would be fair to say, there is some disagreement as to how we should go about this. Probably, in the next two or three weeks, we will have greater clarity, and I would be prepared to communicate with my colleague by letter on that. I do not have much more to report than that. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, given the fact that we are looking at two separate wings or organizations for east and west, would the Minister see some of these jobs going into the smaller communities like Arviat and Baker Lake? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I do not want to give my colleague the impression this is going to happen because it is too early in the process. As discussions unfold, I would be prepared to keep him abreast of what is happening. Right now, there are some fairly intense discussions and there are differences of opinion amongst all the players. Until I get a little more clarity at the official's level as to what their desire is, I am not trying to avoid the question, I just do not have the answer because it is still in fairly serious negotiations. What I will say is that contributors to the fund, employers, have to pay the bill. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, can the Minister tell us who are the parties involved in these discussions and negotiations and, in particular, who are the individuals who are negotiating from the east?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

The parties who were negotiating are the same parties negotiating all of the division: the Interim Commissioner's office, the Western Coalition, ourselves in terms of the WCB, the GNWT. These are the players who are sitting down trying to work out an appropriate compromise for Workers' Compensation. Both the Workers' Compensation and the NWT Power Corporation are issues that I red-flagged months and months ago. Somehow, we have to try to come to some consensus as to how we are going to deal with it. Again, I am not trying to avoid the question.

At this time, in fairness to my colleague, I cannot give him any real clarity as to how it is going to unfold because it is still very much early in the process in terms of trying to determine an appropriate course of action. We have to take a look at what the legal ramifications are, and we also consistently have to remember who pays at the end of the day. Thank you.

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Question 479-13(5): Status Of Keewatin Pilot Projects

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, recently NTI had a meeting in Cambridge Bay and they were discussing the Keewatin pilot project. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask a question to the Minister responsible for MACA , who is also responsible for the Keewatin pilot project. NTI recently passed a motion with their opposition at this time to the Keewatin pilot project. Also, Baker Lake pulled out of this proposal. Can the Minister of MACA update us as to the current status of the project? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not aware of the motion that was passed at the NTI/Cambridge Bay meeting. I cannot speak to that. The pilot project is just a proposal and it is still going forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, recently NTI had a news release. In the news release, there is opposition to the Keewatin pilot project. My next supplementary question is, has the office of Interim Commissioner written support for this project? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I would like to say that the Keewatin pilot project is just a proposal. I have not had any response from either NTI or the Interim Commissioner that I know of, that have been directed to me personally, as the Minister responsible for this project. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in their press release they said they have written to the Minister. I do not understand why the Minister is saying she never received a letter from NTI opposing the Keewatin pilot project when their press release states they have written to the Minister opposing the Keewatin pilot project?

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I realize the meeting in Cambridge Bay just happened last week, so that letter is probably on its way and will come to me. I am just not aware of it today. It might be on my desk or in the department. I do not know why NTI would be opposing the Keewatin pilot project and not give me any detailed information why they opposed it up until today. When I see the letter, then I will know why and what their reasons are. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I understand NTI is not opposed to the Keewatin pilot project. The NTI recommends maybe the government should wait until division to get this project going. What will be the status if this goes on? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Supplementary To Question 479-13(5): Status Of Keewatin Pilot Projects

Question 479-13(5): Status Of Keewatin Pilot Projects

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I will rule the question out of order because it is hypothetical. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 480-13(5): Proposal To Meet In Fort Mcpherson

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Premier . I would like to ask the Premier in light of the incidents that have happened in Fort McPherson, is it possible for him, along with the Minister of Health and Social Services and Justice , to work into their schedules a public meeting next month in Fort McPherson with the people to talk about the different areas I have mentioned? Thank you.

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Question 480-13(5): Proposal To Meet In Fort Mcpherson

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier

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Question 480-13(5): Proposal To Meet In Fort Mcpherson

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1214

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not aware of the travel plans for the Minister of Justice or the Minister of Health and Social Services in the next month. I am aware of mine and I am booked solid for the next month. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Supplementary To Question 480-13(5): Proposal To Meet In Fort Mcpherson

Question 480-13(5): Proposal To Meet In Fort Mcpherson

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1214

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Premier make an attempt to travel to the Mackenzie Delta to deal with the concerns of the people in the Mackenzie Delta within the next couple of months if he cannot do it next month?

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Supplementary To Question 480-13(5): Proposal To Meet In Fort Mcpherson

Question 480-13(5): Proposal To Meet In Fort Mcpherson

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Further Return To Question 480-13(5): Proposal To Meet In Fort Mcpherson

Question 480-13(5): Proposal To Meet In Fort Mcpherson

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will check my travel plans and work with the Member to see if I can get up there in the near future. Thank you.

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Further Return To Question 480-13(5): Proposal To Meet In Fort Mcpherson

Question 480-13(5): Proposal To Meet In Fort Mcpherson

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents.

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Tabled Document 70-13(5): Naturally North: The Natural Regions Of The Western Northwest TerritoriesTabled Document 71-13(5): Naturally North: The Natural Regions Of Nunavut

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 1214

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following documents entitled, "Naturally North, the Natural Regions of the Western Northwest Territories" and "Naturally North, the Natural Regions of Nunavut". Thank you.

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Tabled Document 70-13(5): Naturally North: The Natural Regions Of The Western Northwest TerritoriesTabled Document 71-13(5): Naturally North: The Natural Regions Of Nunavut

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Tabling of documents. Mr.

Barnabas.

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Tabled Document 72-13(5): Nti News Release: Opposition To Keewatin Pilot Project

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to table a document, NTI press release from February 26, 1998. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tabled Document 72-13(5): Nti News Release: Opposition To Keewatin Pilot Project

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 16, motions. Mr. Krutko .

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Motion 14-13(5): Coordination Of Inter-jurisdictional And Inter-departmental Initiatives

Item 16: Motions

Page 1215

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to read the motion.

Coordination of Inter-Jurisdictional and Inter-Departmental Initiatives

WHEREAS the responsibility for the preparation of strategies to address intergovernmental and international issues and maintaining official contracts between the Government of the Northwest Territories and federal, provincial, Yukon and circumpolar governments rests with the Executive under the Intergovernmental Affairs Program;

AND

WHEREAS the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs coordinates Government of the Northwest Territories participation at comprehensive aboriginal land claims, self-government and treaty entitlement negotiations, monitors Western Constitutional development and represents the Government of the Northwest Territories in related processes and fosters good aboriginal relations;

AND

WHEREAS the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development has the broad responsibility to respond effectively to economic, natural resource and environmental issues of concern to the Northwest Territories;

AND

WHEREAS the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development undertakes to develop trade and investment strategies and provides advice and acts as a link nationally and internationally in business, arts and crafts, manufacturing and marketing;

AND

WHEREAS there is an apparent lack of a coordinated effort on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories to address inter-jurisdictional issues of concern and development initiatives in the western Arctic region, taking into account the interests and participation of all affected aboriginal organizations and territorial and national governments.

NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Kivallivik that the Government of the Northwest Territories formulate, in consultation with all affected parties, a policy to effect the interagency and inter-jurisdictional cooperation necessary to facilitate the development of comprehensive agreements between governments and land claimants respecting, but not limited to, the environment, wildlife management, economic development, trade and tourism and social and cultural development;

AND FURTHER, it is recommended that a comprehensive management board, consisting of all party participation, be established to coordinate the negotiation and implementation of these agreements. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Motion 14-13(5): Coordination Of Inter-jurisdictional And Inter-departmental Initiatives

Item 16: Motions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion, Mr. Krutko .

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Motion 14-13(5): Coordination Of Inter-jurisdictional And Inter-departmental Initiatives

Item 16: Motions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in regard to the motion I believe there is a lot of inter-jurisdictional work that has to go on, especially when it comes to aboriginal people who are related to other aboriginal people living in Alaska, the Yukon, Greenland, northern Quebec or Labrador. There is always that link to aboriginal groups regardless if it is the Cree in the southern territory, northern Alberta or Manitoba.

There has to be more efforts made by this government to entice the economic opportunities of aboriginal groups and governments, to start pulling their policies together to recognize there is an economic opportunity here for aboriginal groups to form joint ventures and start dealing with environmental issues such as the Porcupine Caribou or dealing with the seal hunt in eastern Canada or hydro development.

We have to start formulating our policies so they are simpler and easier to understand. Right now you go from one department to another to try to find information on who is responsible for aboriginal people when you talk about international or inter-jurisdictional issues. Through this motion, I am hoping that the different departments and agencies within the government can sit down and identify all these different policies and responsibilities and can consolidate them into one policy that can oversee everything. With that, I seek the support of my colleagues on this motion. Thank you.

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Motion 14-13(5): Coordination Of Inter-jurisdictional And Inter-departmental Initiatives

Item 16: Motions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Motion 14-13(5): Coordination Of Inter-jurisdictional And Inter-departmental Initiatives

Item 16: Motions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, while I can appreciate the intent of the motion, I see it as a very complex sweeping motion. We have had no real time to look at or consult with the partners referred to in the motion. I do not know what the impact would be on all the current processes and negotiations currently underway. I do not know what type of board the motion refers to and of course the issue of potential cost. Given those factors, but the main one is the shortage of time and lack of opportunity to discuss this and look at the impact and implications, I cannot support this motion. Thank you Mr. Speaker.

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Motion 14-13(5): Coordination Of Inter-jurisdictional And Inter-departmental Initiatives

Item 16: Motions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Ootes .

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Motion 14-13(5): Coordination Of Inter-jurisdictional And Inter-departmental Initiatives

Item 16: Motions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, no doubt the intent of this motion is very well meant, but I have difficulty like Mr. Miltenberger , in grasping the impact of this motion, without having a lot more time to digest it, look into it and to discuss it. I feel it is a very complex and sweeping motion like Mr. Miltenberger has said. That gives me a certain amount of concern. I would like to have, perhaps in the future, the Member

address this again if it does not go forward. At this time I cannot support this particular motion simply because of the dramatic impact it could potentially have and without consulting various organizations and individuals, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Motion 14-13(5): Coordination Of Inter-jurisdictional And Inter-departmental Initiatives

Item 16: Motions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

To the motion. Mr. Erasmus .

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Motion 14-13(5): Coordination Of Inter-jurisdictional And Inter-departmental Initiatives

Item 16: Motions

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will be supporting this motion. I would have hoped that we had more time to discuss this and perhaps make a few minor changes. However, there is a lot of work that has to be done in this area. There are land claims and other agreements that have been made between various aboriginal governments, between ourselves as the GNWT and the federal government and they do need to be coordinated in some fashion. Hopefully, this motion will wake up various people such as the Cabinet and perhaps the federal government that something has to be done.

It may not be exactly as outlined in here, but I am in favour of this motion because I believe that something has to be done and time is not standing still, Mr. Speaker. Just because we are working towards division, does not mean that we cannot work on other things as well. For that reason I am supporting the motion. Thank you.

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Motion 14-13(5): Coordination Of Inter-jurisdictional And Inter-departmental Initiatives

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Picco .

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Motion 14-13(5): Coordination Of Inter-jurisdictional And Inter-departmental Initiatives

Item 16: Motions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will be voting in favour of the motion as presented by Mr. Krutko . Although Mr. Miltenberger is correct, it does seem broad sweeping in a scope. It is only a recommendation being brought forward by this House. In the Infrastructure Committee we had identified on numerous occasions the problem with overlap within different government departments dealing with Aboriginal Affairs. For those reasons, I will be supporting Mr. Krutko and his motion. Thank you.

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Item 16: Motions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

To the motion. Mr. Krutko .

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Motion 14-13(5): Coordination Of Inter-jurisdictional And Inter-departmental Initiatives

Item 16: Motions

Page 1216

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, my honourable colleagues. It is important. We have a lot of policies and economic programs in this government that are outdated. We have to somehow pull them together, looking at the economic circumstance we find ourselves in and the land claims being settled with division coming up. We have to find ways of looking at these old policies and the way economic programs are run in the territories as to how they fit the uniqueness of the territories and uniqueness of the people it represents for the majority of the people in the territories who are aboriginal people.

There is a real close tie between aboriginal people and the different cultural groups they are part of. For myself, I am a Gwich'in person. The group I represent is originally from Alaska, the Yukon, Northwest Territories. It is the same thing with the Cree in the southern part of the territories. They go into Manitoba, Alberta and Saskatchewan. It is the same thing with the Inuit in the east. There is a connection between Greenland, Labrador and northern Quebec. We have to keep in mind that, when we talk about people, we talk about a group of people, in regard to aboriginal people.

Just because they put boundary lines up around us, does not mean we are cut off from the people we represent. It is important we take those boundary lines down and have people working closer together. Hopefully, through this motion, the government can see that and try to foster a relationship between aboriginal people in North America in general and not just restricting us to the Northwest Territories. This is the intention of the motion. With that, Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask for a recorded vote.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Mackenzie Delta has asked for a recorded vote. Question has been called. To the motion. All those in favour?

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Motion 14-13(5): Coordination Of Inter-jurisdictional And Inter-departmental Initiatives

Item 16: Motions

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Clerk Of The House

Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Krutko , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Barnabas , Mr. Picco , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Erasmus and Mr. Steen .

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

All those opposed?

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Clerk Of The House

Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Ningark . All those abstaining? Mr. Kakfwi , Mr. Morin , Mr. Todd , Mr. Dent .

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Motion 14-13(5): Coordination Of Inter-jurisdictional And Inter-departmental Initiatives

Item 16: Motions

Page 1216

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The results of the motion, for: 7, against: 3, abstentions: 4. The motion is carried. Motion 15-13(5). Mr. Picco .

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Motion 15-13(5): Reallocation Of Departmental Surpluses

Item 16: Motions

Page 1216

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you. Relocation of departmental surpluses.

WHEREAS, the 13th Legislative Assembly has identified its main priorities through the public release of the document entitled, "Agenda for Change;"

AND

WHEREAS, the Legislative Assembly's Agenda for Change and Vision for the Future speaks of a healthier, better educated and more self-reliant citizenry;

AND

WHEREAS, the Agenda for Change affirms that the old and expensive way of doing things must be changed;

AND

WHEREAS, the fiscal year-end is quickly approaching and a number of GNWT departments have experienced and might anticipate budget surpl