Debates of Feb. 10th, 2012

This is page numbers 321 - 352 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was work .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 9-17(2): GNWT Contribution To Betty House

Minister’s Statement 10-17(2): 20th Anniversary Of The Gwich’in Land Claims Agreement

Minister’s Statement 11-17(2): Return Of Prospectors Grubstake Program

Yellowknife Community Foundation

Jean Marie River And Maca’s New Deal

Aboriginal Languages Translation Secretariat

NWT Ski Week

Recreational Land Lease Policy Framework

Business Incentive And Northern Manufacturing Policies

Support For Territorial Logging Industry

Tourism Development Strategy

Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter

Recreational Land Lease Policy Framework

Return To Oral Question 13-17(2): Policy Regarding Carbon Monoxide Detectors

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Aboriginal Languages Secretariat

Patterson Sawmill

Tourism Development Strategy

Recreational Land Lease Policy

Recreational Land Lease Policy

Business Incentive And Northern Manufacturing Policies

Jean Marie River And Maca’s New Deal

Homelessness Issues In Regional Centres

Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter

Recreational Land Lease Policy

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Resume Consideration Of Item No. 11, Department Of Transportation, Interim Appropriation 2012-13

Concurrence Of Td 1-17(2), Interim Appropriation 2012-2013

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 10:02 a.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good morning, colleagues. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. Minister McLeod.

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Minister’s Statement 9-17(2): GNWT Contribution To Betty House

Ministers’ Statements

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the past number of years the Yellowknife Homelessness Coalition has been working on Betty House, which is an initiative to build and operate a transitional house for women and children that are homeless or at risk of becoming homeless. Betty House will help these women and children to stabilize, to move forward and to make positive life choices.

Today I am pleased to inform Members of the Assembly that the NWT Housing Corporation, on behalf of the GNWT, has signed a memorandum of understanding with the City of Yellowknife and the YWCA as representatives of the Yellowknife Homelessness Coalition, to provide a contribution of approximately $2.3 million towards the construction of Betty House.

The Yellowknife Homelessness Coalition includes representatives from a variety of non-government organizations, all levels of government, and other community organizations. This group has done considerable planning and fundraising for this project and I want to acknowledge and thank members of the coalition for their continued hard work on this and on other work they do related to homelessness.

I understand that Mayor Gordon Van Tighem from the City of Yellowknife, Ms. Lyda Fuller from the YWCA who are expected to operate this facility on behalf of the Homelessness Coalition, and Ms. Dayle Hernblad, the Homelessness coordinator for the City of Yellowknife, have joined us today in the Assembly and I want to recognize their contribution to this project.

During the engagement of the Shelter Policy review, we heard on many occasions the importance of advancing initiatives related to homelessness and transition housing. I am told that the GNWT contribution of about $2.3 million will have a significant impact on ensuring the completion of Betty House and we believe this initiative is a vital part of our overall priority of strengthening our approach to homelessness.

Homelessness is a problem in many NWT communities and through working with our partners in other levels of government and community organizations, we can continue to address this issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister’s Statement 10-17(2): 20th Anniversary Of The Gwich’in Land Claims Agreement

Ministers’ Statements

Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

On behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories, I would like to congratulate the Gwich’in people on reaching this significant milestone. Since 1992, the Gwich’in have worked hard to play an important role in the economy and benefit fully from the opportunities available to them.

The Gwich’in Comprehensive Land Claim Agreement was one more step to self-sufficiency and gave the Gwich’in greater ability to control their future. It gave the Gwich’in, within the Gwich’in settlement area, defined rights to land, water and wildlife and the ability to take

part in decisions about how these resources are managed. It also supported the Gwich’in way of life, one based on traditional relationships with the land.

Mr. Speaker, this government’s goal of a strong and independent North built on partnerships is dependent on the successful conclusion of land, resources and self-government agreements.

I look forward to working closely with the Gwich’in Tribal Council to strengthen our relationships as

governments. I’m confident that as we continue down this path, we will realize our vision as strong individuals, families and communities sharing the benefits and responsibilities of a unified, environmentally sustainable and prosperous Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, the Gwich’in Comprehensive Land Claim Agreement represents a commitment by all parties to a brighter future, one based on the recognition of Aboriginal rights and the social and cultural identity of the Gwich’in people, within the Canadian constitutional framework. I look forward to our ongoing work with the Gwich’in people to fulfill the vision that entered a new phase 20 years ago. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Ramsay .

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Minister’s Statement 11-17(2): Return Of Prospectors Grubstake Program

Ministers’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mining forms a major piece of the economic foundation of the Northwest Territories. Before mining can take place, we rely on the work of prospectors and exploration companies to identify potential mineral development opportunities. Today I am pleased to announce dedicated annual funding of $50,000 for the Prospectors Grubstake Program. This funding will be made available under Industry, Tourism and Investments Support to Entrepreneurs and Economic Development Policy.

The Prospectors Grubstake Program previously existed but has not been actively funded since 2008. We are pleased to announce its return after a five-year absence and look forward to the potential benefits it will bring to this territory.

This money will provide financial assistance to qualified Northwest Territories prospectors to search for new mineral deposits or to reassess previously known deposits. This grassroots exploration is part of our economic foundation and is a key element in the discovery of new potential mineral deposits.

Exploration creates jobs, generates income for Northwest Territories businesses and encourages infrastructure development.

The historical gold finds that led to the Giant and Con mines were the result of the work of prospectors. We cannot forget two geologists named Mr. Chuck Fipke and Mr. Stewart Blusson, the now famous prospectors who found diamonds at Lac de Gras, leading to the largest staking rush in Canadian history.

Their discovery has had a tremendous impact on our territory. It has led to three operating diamond mines: Rio Tinto’s Diavik Mine, BHP Billiton’s Ekati

Mine and De Beers’ Snap Lake Mine. Together, these three mines have employed hundreds of our residents and spent billions of dollars at northern businesses.

We cannot underestimate the potential for prospecting. Ultimately the efforts of one prospector could bring benefits that would be felt throughout the territory. While the existing mines bring immense benefit to Northwest Territories residents and communities, it is only with continued exploration that we will see this activity sustained and these benefits continue.

Mr. Speaker, building a diversified economy that provides all communities and regions with opportunities and choices is one of the goals of this Assembly. The Government of the Northwest Territories is dedicated to strengthening the Northwest Territories economy by providing support for entrepreneurs. With the allocation of this funding, we have reinforced the foundation for a sustainable mining industry. Through the Prospectors Grubstake Program we hope to see additional prospectors take

part in the mineral exploration activities occurring around the territory.

By encouraging and facilitating investment in our territory, this government will build a robust and sustainable mining industry, diversify our economy, and maximize benefits for Northwest Territories residents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Yellowknife Community Foundation

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

I would like to dedicate my Member’s statement today showcasing a not-for-profit group that has celebrated some very significant milestones. From its humble beginnings in the fall of 1991 as a steering committee, now 20 years later Yellowknife Community Foundation has become the pinnacle of excellence and a true gem for the community of Yellowknife and territory.

The Yellowknife Community Foundation, also referred to as the YCF, provides individual organizations with the means to support projects in our community and ensure that the generosity of others will last forever. Their mission is simple: to enhance the quality of life for the citizens of Yellowknife and surrounding area by identifying and addressing community needs. Armed with an inventory of over 20 scholarships and funds that cover the arts, health, trades, training, sport, environment, emergency services, aviation, post-

secondary studies, heritage and community development, the YCF is truly a 360-degree foundation.

In celebrating their 20th anniversary, the YCF recently announced that their permanent funds exceeded the $3 million mark and with an equally impressive record of over $500,000 of grants and scholarships given to many Yellowknife students and organizations over the years, this is truly a remarkable milestone.

Because Valentine’s Day is just around the corner, the Yellowknife Community Foundation is celebrating this weekend their Third Annual Valentine’s Black Tie Gala at the Explorer Hotel. This sell-out event boasts an evening of elegance, love, laughter and hope. The YCF uses this event not only as a fundraiser to support the foundation’s many civic causes but also uses it as a friend-raiser to magnify its great contribution to our society and community.

My fellow colleagues, please join me congratulating the incredible contributor to our northern society, the Yellowknife Community Foundation.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Jean Marie River And Maca’s New Deal

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Today I’d like to speak about Jean Marie River and MACA’s New Deal. Community capacity has been a major challenge since the Government of the Northwest Territories implemented the New Deal. For almost five years now, while some regional centres thrive, small communities struggle to take on the added responsibilities of managing infrastructure and self-governance. Jean Marie River’s population of 64 is one of these communities. The GNWT wants to transfer responsibility for local infrastructure beginning April 1st ; however, the hamlet wants to defer that.

To date, no one has been trained to maintain heating, plumbing, or electrical work in the hamlet’s few public buildings. They simply cannot afford to fly someone in from Hay River every time something needs to be fixed or checked. Currently the government does have the ability with in-house staff to do that; however, when they transfer it over, the full burden of the responsibility is on the communities.

MACA is committed to helping communities implement the New Deal. The department has responded to many growing pains in certain communities over the past five years but it seems Jean Marie River has not benefited from these resources. MACA must continue to provide training to residents who are willing to learn the skills

required for basic maintenance of public infrastructure. There is an opportunity to engage young people or seasonal workers. MACA can even train a small group of people to work together.

People leave our small communities because they feel like there are more opportunities and quality of life elsewhere. That’s true when things constantly break down and no one is available to repair them. Local infrastructure is closed and often vandalized, making problems worse than before. That was never the goal of the New Deal.

Independence and responsibility for municipal planning can enrich life in the communities. MACA should and must work closely with Jean Marie River to help meet its unique needs and come up with maintenance solutions that work.

I will be asking the Minister of MACA questions at the appropriate time.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Aboriginal Languages Translation Secretariat

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The other night I was watching the news and I was watching Mr. Harper’s visit to China. When he was talking to the head of state in China, I noticed that behind him and the Chinese head of state they had translators and they were conversing, but the translators were helping them understand the two different worlds and what they were talking about. I thought that the Northwest Territories needs to have a good look at how we support our Aboriginal languages in our communities. The government needs to look at sort of an Aboriginal translation agency or secretariat.

When we have Ministers come into our communities where the Aboriginal language is the first language, that’s where you get the best of the best to speak about their issue and their world view. Sometimes we have difficulty, and when I say we, in my region we have to run and look for the appropriate translator because health is a different issue, justice is a different terminology, and the same with ENR.

We have different terminology that we use, and the community people do their best when they provide these services and sometimes they’re unable to because for some reason, they are not available, or on medical leave, or in the bush or, really, they’re trying to do their best to translate that terminology for the proper meaning. The government asks us, as MLAs, who need to have translators at their public meetings, to get their message across and sometimes we do our best to provide that. However, sometimes our people say well, they’re not saying it right, get this translator.

I think it’s the government’s onus and responsibility if they could look at setting up an Aboriginal languages secretariat so then they could put their money where their words are and say yes, we will provide the translators for you. It is our responsibility that every agency and department has that service so people can speak and understand what’s been told to them and they can communicate that to that person in that department.

I ask the government if they would look at this agency and I will ask the Minister responsible at the appropriate time.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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NWT Ski Week

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All week we’ve been hearing news reports on CBC in the mornings, of the Ski Week and all the work that’s been going into promoting people getting active and enjoying the outdoors and living a healthy lifestyle.

As you know, skiing has a strong history in the Northwest Territories, specifically with the Territorial Experimental Ski Training program. At this time I’d just like to acknowledge two of those participants that took

part in the program: Ms. Sharon Firth and Ms. Shirley Firth-Larsson, who also just received the Diamond Jubilee Medal this week, earlier this week. They are both great ambassadors of not only the NWT but both live healthy, active lifestyles and are a role model to our Aboriginal youth and people in the Northwest Territories to get out, be active, follow your dreams and to participate in such programs as Ski NWT.

I’d also like to take this time to recognize that Ski NWT and skiing has a strong presence in the community of Fort McPherson, where they have a lot of strong snow-shoers and skiers that participate and will be going to the Arctic Winter Games. I would just like to recognize the group that are working there, the volunteers, the coaches and the families that support small communities.

Just with the Arctic Winter Games team coming up this year, we noticed that all of the Ski NWT team outside of Yellowknife are a strong contingent and only from one community, and that is Fort McPherson. We have to recognize the strong work that is going on there as well.

At this time I’d also like to recognize the NWT Rec and Parks Association on their efforts to initiate the Mackenzie River Walking Challenge, which is also getting people out and being active. As well, as Members of this Assembly and staff to get out, put a few minutes in, a few kilometres, you know, on their shoes to live a healthy, active lifestyle so that

we can make the best decisions in this House for the people of the Northwest Territories.

With that said, Sunday is NWT Ski Day across the Northwest Territories and I invite all Members to come out to the YK Ski Club and participate in being active, living healthy and supporting all of these great programs that Sport North and NWTRPA have initiated in the NWT. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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NWT Ski Week

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Recreational Land Lease Policy Framework

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the last 20 years or more, Yellowknife residents have been unable to lease land for a cabin or a campsite of their own. Some people have taken matters into their own hands and are now firmly established in the area as squatters. Our Department of Municipal and Community Affairs started to take action to deal with squatters a few years ago. In 2009 MACA placed a moratorium on recreational land leases and began work to develop a recreational Land Lease Policy framework. A consultant was contacted to study the areas around Yellowknife and Inuvik in particular and to recommend changes in the Land Lease Policy.

A month ago the result of that work was made public and comments were invited. The discussion paper suggests adding 35 new cabin lots and 17 casual or day-use lots in the Yellowknife city area. I truly appreciate the work done for this report and MACA has actively consulted with the public on this document since its release, but as I mentioned the other day, the consultation has come at the end of the process instead of at the beginning.

The Yellowknife public meetings pointed out a number of flaws in MACA’s work to date on this policy. I would like to mention what I heard from constituents. One, the study area was only a portion of the Commissioner’s land around this city. The First Nations whose traditional lands encompass this area have not been consulted. The consultant’s recommendations are based on a desk study. There was no on-the-ground evaluation of the study area. The current leaseholders and lake users were not consulted for their advice on the expansion.

The new lots are poorly placed, some on swampy land, some on a shoreline where water depth is two feet or less, many in close proximity to each other and/or existing lots.

The recommended lot placement completely ignores valid legal mineral claims in the area. Lastly, there was no research done to evaluate current actual use. We have no idea how many people use the Vee Lake landing boat launch on a

beautiful summer day. We have no idea how many snowmobilers use the area on a lovely winter day like today, yet we will be packing all of these new leases and day-use lots into one small area, the only easily accessible recreation area for Yellowknifers. The current lease owners are understandably concerned, and those looking to lease are still frustrated.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Recreational Land Lease Policy Framework

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

MACA’s discussion paper refers to the carrying capacity of an area. That is the amount of use a lake or a landmass can sustain. It is one of the concepts used for the study recommendations. But how can MACA accept the consultant’s recommendations without any idea of current use without any baseline data to measure the impact the addition of the new lots will have on the area?

A second most alarming issue is the inability of MACA to monitor and control land use in the study area and enforcement of the leases that they will let. The department has neither the manpower nor the equipment to do a job that they will be saddled with. Without that capability, we will quickly return to the squatter situation we now have.

The work to date has been good work. I am not advocating that it be thrown out. What I am proposing is that further work is needed, especially on-the-ground consultation with current users. Without further consultation, this government will overpopulate one small lake and strain it and its environment to the point of no return. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Business Incentive And Northern Manufacturing Policies

Members’ Statements

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to continue discussion on businesses and policies, BIP and the northern manufacturing policy. As I asked the Minister yesterday about whether these policies have been reviewed, and they had been completed last year to a year and a half. There must be some issues with the implementation of this policy then.

In my short term as MLA for Hay River North, I have had several constituents have concerns with these two policies and the fact that they have been implemented. They are often asking why they have to be their own watchdogs for this program and make sure the GNWT is spending money in the North by northern companies.

I believe that the Business Incentive Policy must be implemented throughout the departments and if it’s not an issue of the policy itself, it must be an issue with the training. How can we be expected to implement larger projects like the Mackenzie Valley Pipeline, Mackenzie Valley Highway and Tuk to Inuvik highway in the future when we’re having difficulties implementing the basic policies or expenditures we have now?

My questions today will be to the Minister of ITI on how we can improve the implementation of the Business Incentive Policy and the northern manufacturing policy. We need to maximize the dollars that the GNWT spends with northern businesses. Thank you.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Support For Territorial Logging Industry

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to stand up in this House again, sadly, to say that I have to repeat my statement again about the plight of an industry in Hay River that has been open and operating there since 1969, but this government, through their action and inaction, is going to allow it to fold. That is Patterson Sawmill. We are sitting in the Northwest Territories in a virtual forest; we are in the boreal forest. I don’t know how many ENR employees we have who look after forest management and yet we cannot eke out one single sustainable industry and support that logging industry to continue here in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, let’s be clear. It’s over unpaid stumpage fees. It’s over a debt owed by Pattersons to this government of less than $120,000. Now, surely we can muster the political will to somehow recognize that this has been a company that has existed in Hay River that employs people.

We as a government can expend millions of dollars on pilot projects and in testing things and let’s experiment and let’s see if this will get off the ground, and here we are, we have a company that employs six people, it’s a family business and they have been prohibited and stopped from going to work this winter to harvest logs in an assessed area because they owe this government less than $120,000. I think it’s shameful. There is no one else who has carried on a business harvesting our renewable resource of timber in this territory except for them.

How many debts have we written off as a government to businesses that were kind of sketchy to start with? Here is the catch-22 that the Patterson Sawmill is in: If they can’t get their permit to go work, they can’t pay their debt; but if they can’t pay their debt, they can’t go to work. That’s where they are stuck right now, in limbo, and I am

very unhappy, disappointed with this government that we cannot find a way to let this company get back to work. They’re not asking to forgive the money. They’re asking them to let them go to work so that they can pay back the stumpage fees. If a forest fire burns the whole place down, we go out and replant the trees, but somebody goes out and tries to create a little economy and a little industry by cutting down the trees and they can’t immediately pay the stumpage fees because of some difficult economic times and we’re going to shut ‘em down and we’re going to crucify them. Thank you.

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Support For Territorial Logging Industry

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Tourism Development Strategy

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had the opportunity to travel on the Alaska Highway many years ago and I was really impressed by the opportunity to just pull alongside the highway, stretch and take in the sights. But I was just stunned by the amazing beauty of the Alaska Highway and the many services that the government provides for tourists, for people to pull over and rest, maybe park their RV and take some pictures. That road was clearly impressive in terms of developing and to ensure that there is a plan for tourists. My statement relates to that very initiative.

In the Northwest Territories my constituency prides itself in being the gateway to the Northwest Territories. The economy in the Northwest Territories and Canada is in a downturn and tourism travel to the North is also slowing down.

In Enterprise, the Hay River Reserve, Kakisa and Fort Providence, we pride ourselves that we have gifts of natural wonders. Whether it be viewing the falls in driving into Enterprise, skidooing on the great lakes or canoeing on the lake, there is great potential for a successful Tourism Development Strategy.

We have artists, performers and amazing areas in the Deh Cho and arts and crafts such as moose hair tufting. Awhile back there was an initiative to ensure that the North was represented in terms of…(inaudible)…traditional arts and crafts artisans developed moose hair tufting slippers and it was noted that people from the North had amazing gifts. For that matter, we could also listen to the famous Johnny Landry, who is also a performer, and many artists that live in our communities and struggle to make a living and also ensure that we develop a vibrant tourism development economy for the Northwest Territories.

I just wanted to ensure that this government is aware that we have our natural strengths, we have our natural abilities, we have amazing gifts that are

just given to us in our back doors and we need to develop and ensure that we have good plans in place. I’ll be raising some questions on this matter later on.

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Tourism Development Strategy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to continue a discussion today on the downtown day shelter. Back in my December 13th Member’s statement and questions, I asked the government about its intention to extend the much needed services that are provided by the downtown day shelter to people who are homeless. In the Minister’s reply he talked about the department’s intention to continue that partnership with the City of Yellowknife, but he also continues to go on in the context of once the review is done, they will continue that funding.

It’s no surprise to anyone in this House, and certainly the community, that I’m a definite supporter of the downtown day shelter and I agree with the principles of why it exists. The department’s objectives of that contribution agreement were built around the fact that we should provide a warm place for clients to access washrooms, telephones, et cetera. It also provides support and referral information to other agencies and to operate between 7:00 in the morning and 7:00 at night seven days a week.

From the sounds of that, some if not most of those particular objectives are being met, but the sad case of the reality here is not all of them are being met. At the same time I’m hearing several complaints over the last couple of years regarding many serious issues, such as on-site drinking, substance abuse, abuse to staff, and quite frankly, I’ve heard other things I dare not say in this House.

With that being the case, I’d like to talk today about how we’re going to address some of these particular problems. I emphasize I am a supporter of the downtown day shelter, but it cannot exist in the same type of partnership that it’s existing in now.

It would be technically correct if the Minister of Health and Social Services says to me, oh, Mr. Hawkins , that’s a John Howard Society problem, they must deal with this; and he may be technically correct. However, as long as the GNWT’s money is going in as a partner, as a full partner, as a major partner in this objective, we do have a say as to what is happening down there. We should have a say before we renew this particular contract.

I will say without any hesitation that the environment there needs to be safe, respectable,

positive and it must provide referrals to other agencies out there. We must create an environment that is safe, respectful and positive, I say again.

I will be asking questions to the Minister of Health and Social Services , because we must meet these mutually agreeable objectives. Because we care for these people, we wouldn’t waver on any of these.

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Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Recreational Land Lease Policy Framework

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Public consultation towards the recreational leasing policy framework has no sooner been launched than they’ve gone off the rails. Overwhelming feedback from First Nations, leaseholders and the public has demonstrated such basic flaws in MACA’s process and planning that we’re back at square one. How much more wise it would have been to start with consultations, especially given the dearth of MACA’s knowledge and capacity.

Incredibly, the rights of First Nations have not been taken into account. MACA failed to provide the consultation documents directly to the Yellowknives Dene when the process was launched and the Minister should have consulted with the YKDFN before the public discussions began. The result: The YKDFN has called for no new leases until completion of the Akaitcho process.

MACA recommendations are based on inadequate and verified research. The 35 new leases proposed includes a 300 percent increase on one lake alone and is based on an office exercise without site visits to verify suitability. Worst of all, no effort was made to tap into the intimate knowledge of local leaseholders. Recommendations failed to acknowledge that an explosion of Walsh Lake leases will swamp the already inadequate facilities at the Vee Lake landing. There is no recommendation or cash to provide landing infrastructure to accommodate a doubled or tripled parking and docking demand.

Most fundamental is the illusion of land management supposed by the recommendations. MACA has a responsibility for managing lands but no familiarity with the land. MACA has responsibility for regulating land use but admits to having essentially no capacity for enforcing the regulations.

What does this mean for the future? This consultation is intended to result in a policy for the whole NWT. The fundamental clause of this effort gives little confidence in a result that will meet our land management needs throughout the NWT. Possibly most chilling is a commentary this makes on our prospects for devolution of land management. The federal government is doing

nothing to control squatting on federal Crown land, devotes no resources and tolerates a squatting free-for-all. This is the resourcing and good stewardship we propose to take down in a devolution deal?

We need to take the time to do this right and start over. I’ll be asking the Minister questions on how he proposes to turn this work around.

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Recreational Land Lease Policy Framework

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Return To Oral Question 13-17(2): Policy Regarding Carbon Monoxide Detectors

Returns to Oral Questions

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Dolynny on February 8, 2012, regarding policy on carbon monoxide detectors.

The Member enquired as to government policy on the installation of carbon monoxide detectors and their usage in public housing in the NWT.

I can advise the Assembly that the 2008 National Building Code requires that all buildings heated by a fuel-fired appliance have a carbon monoxide detector hardwired into the electrical system. This is not a requirement for houses built prior to 2008.

All public housing units built subsequent to 1995 have carbon monoxide detectors hardwired into the electrical system. In older units we have taken steps to install detectors, including using battery operated carbon monoxide detectors when hardwiring was not possible. The carbon monoxide detectors are checked at least once a year as part of the local housing organization’s regular preventative maintenance schedule.

I appreciate the Member raising this very important issue and I strongly encourage all homeowners in the NWT to install a carbon monoxide detector in their homes in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Oral Question 13-17(2): Policy Regarding Carbon Monoxide Detectors

Returns to Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m pleased to recognize our partners in Betty House that we have in the gallery with us today: Ms. Lyda Fuller from the YWCA, Ms. Dayle Hernblad from the Homelessness Coalition with the City of Yellowknife, and I think we also have sitting

up there Ms. Kate Wilson, who has done a lot of work with YWCA.

Last but not least I’d like to recognize a gentleman that I’ve had an opportunity to work with for a number of years in my capacity as Minister of MACA : the mayor of Yellowknife, the outgoing mayor of Yellowknife, Mr. Gord Van Tighem. It’s been a pleasure working with you, sir.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize and express appreciation for all the work of the Homelessness Coalition and especially mention Mr. Mayor Gordon Van Tighem, a resident of Weledeh.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, wish to make special recognition of a couple of people here today. Of course I would like to recognize Chase Yakeleya, who is a good friend of my kids. I as well would like to recognize someone special in the gallery: Kate Wilson. We’ve been good friends for many, many years; way back when we used to be neighbours in Willow Wood. Hello, Kate.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

I’d also like to recognize two Pages that are here with us today: Laura McLeod and Jessi Pascal from the community of Aklavik.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would first off like to recognize a hardworking Page from the riding of Frame Lake, Brenda Joyce-Hotte, who has been working with us all week. I believe she will be back next week to work hard for us again.

I would also like to recognize the members of the Homelessness Coalition who are with us, particularly Mayor Van Tighem, my mayor and also the president of the NWT Association of Communities; Lyda Fuller and Kate Wilson with the YWCA; Dayle Hernblad, who is the city’s homelessness coordinator; and last but not least,

Amanda Mallon, who is a Homelessness Coalition co-chair but also my very hardworking constituency assistant. Welcome all.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize one of the Pages who is going to school here in Yellowknife but comes from Trout Lake: Ms. Sheyenne Jumbo, daughter of Ruby Jumbo. Also of note, she is an author of a Slavey book. Welcome.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, want to recognize the members of the Yellowknife Homelessness Coalition that are with us today. In particular I wanted to recognize Mayor Gordon Van Tighem, who has put in 12 years of great service to the city of Yellowknife and I know the Association of Communities is going to miss Mayor Van Tighem when he’s gone. I want to wish him all the best.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . I, too, would like to welcome Chase and Cheryl into the House today. Welcome. It’s always good to see you.

I’d like to thank our Pages for all the hard work you’ve done this week. Thank you very much.

I’d like to also welcome His Worship Mayor Gord Van Tighem. It’s always good to see you here in the House, Gordon. It was always good to be working with you in the past too. Thank you for all the hard work you’ve done.

I’d like to welcome all visitors in the public gallery here today and thank you for taking an interest in our proceedings here today.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 40-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Secretariat

Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Government of the Northwest Territories Aboriginal Languages Plan was tabled in the House just about a year ago. The plan states the vision of a time soon to come. The Aboriginal languages are used extensively on a daily basis to communicate in NWT homes and the communities as well as within the organizations and agencies providing services to the public. I want to ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment if he would look at advancing this further by establishing an Aboriginal languages agency or secretariat in the government to continue on with this plan.

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Question 40-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Secretariat

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 40-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Secretariat

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Since we delivered that report in October 2010 on the NWT Aboriginal Languages Strategy, that is part of the plan. A recommendation came out of that document, enhancing even further, identifying an action on the establishment of a secretariat with the responsibility of oversight of the GNWT Aboriginal languages services. That is part of the recommendation that came into effect within the report. We are working towards those options that we are going to be discussing. We are discussing that at the current stage with our department and during the 2012-2013 business planning process there will be more discussion.

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Question 40-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Secretariat

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

I’m very pleased to hear the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment talk about working towards this plan and also that it will be coming up in the business plans. I want to ask the Minister if in the interim, as we work towards this plan, there are mechanisms in place that will involve the regional translators as communities have different dialects and languages so that he’s already started to put together some plans in place where the regional input will be taken also into the office of the secretariat.

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Question 40-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Secretariat

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I think that’s the very reason why we gathered over 200-plus Aboriginal language experts in 2010, in March and April. Based on what we’ve heard from them, the report came as a package and it does highlight the importance of revitalizing and preserving our language. We are going to be reaching out to the regions. We need to hear their input into the project that we’re going to be working on. Definitely, by all means, we’re going to be reaching out to the MLAs and also to the regions as well. Mahsi.

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Question 40-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Secretariat

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Would this Aboriginal secretariat be one of the permanent secretariats within the government, or would it be just within the 17th Assembly’s business, or are we looking at 20, 30 years, maybe longer, to establish a strong, permanent secretariat office within the government?

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Question 40-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Secretariat

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

When we first did a consultation and had a forum on the Aboriginal Languages Strategy, this is short term, and also we need to think long term how it’s going to have a potential positive impact into the regions, into the communities, into the whole Northwest Territories. In 2012-2013 it is a step forward for us and through the business planning process we need to identify funds to carry forward the wish of the people. We will continue the process. Mahsi.

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Question 40-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Secretariat

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Your final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 40-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Secretariat

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The territorial government receives funds for the French from the federal government as one of the recognized languages in Canada. Has the Minister communicated that to the appropriate Minister in Ottawa to advise them that there are other Aboriginal languages that need funding such as the one that we’re getting for this French and that this government will seek stronger dollars to implement our language programs? Can the Minister advise me?

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Question 40-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Secretariat

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I’d like to thank the Member for asking that particular question because it is an important question. Since we’ve tabled the document in the House in 2010, I’ve had two or three different visits and meetings with the Minister responsible and also correspondence, and he is fully aware of our Languages Strategy. I’ve also met with the national grand chief, Mr. Atleo, and delivered the same messaging. It’s a shared responsibility. The Northwest Territories, federal, the communities, we need to all work together.

This is a big document that will see some positive impacts into the Northwest Territories nationally and internationally, so we will continue to press that with the federal government. Mahsi.

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Question 40-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Secretariat

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 41-17(2): Patterson Sawmill

Oral Questions

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At the expense of starting to sound like a broken record, let me again ask the Minister, I don’t know, ITI, ENR, I don’t know who wants to answer this question. First of all, let’s confirm that Patterson’s ability to go out and cut timber this winter is being denied on the basis of a debt owed to this government of less than $120,000. Thank you.

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Question 41-17(2): Patterson Sawmill

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The Minister of Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 41-17(2): Patterson Sawmill

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are a number of timber licences. There is an existing operational licence for cutting firewood, I believe. Thank you.

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Question 41-17(2): Patterson Sawmill

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

That was not an answer to my question. I’m talking about Patterson’s involvement in the industry of cutting wood for commercial purposes other than firewood. I know that they have cut firewood this year, but they cannot operate their business on the revenue generated by firewood. The outstanding debt relates to the harvest of commercial grade saw timber in previous years and they were unable to pay the stumpage fees due to a number of economic difficult hardships, and this is not uncommon to many types of business. I would like

to again ask the Minister if the Patterson sawmill is being precluded from cutting timber this winter for commercial purposes of a saw grade level because of a debt outstanding to this government of less than $120,000. Thank you.

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Question 41-17(2): Patterson Sawmill

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I have considerable concern about talking about the details of a file and specific figures and all the issues related to that in this forum. I’m very happy to talk to the Member about this. The Member and I have had numerous discussions about this. I recognize the concern about Mr. Patterson, but I am not in the position, I don’t believe, as Minister, to discuss details of individual files. Thank you.

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Question 41-17(2): Patterson Sawmill

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Well, I do have Mr. Patterson’s permission to discuss this in public on the floor, because we have exhausted every other possible avenue. Mr. Patterson has come here. He’s met with the Minister of ITI . I have sent numerous correspondence, letters, texts and e-mails to Mr. Miltenberger about this and I have not got satisfaction. This is where we are today out of desperation, because we cannot get a satisfactory solution to this problem.

Last week Mr. Patterson called me and offered to cobble together a $15,000 payment on this outstanding debt if he could just get out there, get this approved and continue to hold this debt on the books until such time as he has a chance to make the money to pay it back. I’m not asking for forgiveness of this debt, just asking for it to be put into abatement until such time as he can get to work and keep his business going.

I understand the Minister’s difficulty in that he doesn’t want to discuss the details of this, but I have been given permission to ask this. I would like to ask the Minister, in view of the value of waste wood that sits in Patterson’s yard, and this proposed pellet mill, and the value, the economic value that could be in that waste wood that sits in Patterson’s yard right now as a result of this new pellet mill coming on stream, has the department looked at some of the prospects, some of the good prospects that could see the economic viability of this business be improved as a result of this? Thank you.

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Question 41-17(2): Patterson Sawmill

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

There is activity; there is a proponent for a wood pellet plant that has done a lot of work. The issue of the supply of waste timber in the yard that the Member for Hay River South has raised has been raised with the proponent. At some point it may have that value, should the project go ahead, but at this point that is probably two to three years away. At this point the proponent had indicated that he was not in a position to buy that product in anticipation of his mill possibly going ahead. We are aware of it. We’ve looked at it. We’ve tried to consider it. We’ve talked

very directly to the proponent and that has been factored into the considerations. Thank you.

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Question 41-17(2): Patterson Sawmill

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Your final, short supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 41-17(2): Patterson Sawmill

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It will be short. I’d like to ask the Minister of ENR is there not a policy, a program, a loan, a fund, anything within this government that could bridge the gap so that Pattersons can go to work, harvest timber, partake in the pellet mill future, which is on the horizon. This is not like a business that has no prospect for the future. It’s the only one we have in the Northwest Territories. Is there not, in this government-wide system, anything that could help the Pattersons? Thank you.

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Question 41-17(2): Patterson Sawmill

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

In our dealings with Mr. Patterson we have come to the clear recognition, as the Member has commented about this, we need to respond as a government. We have polled the departments around the table. We have been acting on that collective advice and recommendations based on all of the aspects, not just ENR’s or not just ITI’s or not just Finance’s.

What I will commit to the Member is I will ask and we will do one more, another review and I will bring the parties around the table, keeping in mind the passionate plea from the Member to be as proactive and supportive as possible. I will commit and I will personally be involved in that review. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Question 42-17(2): Tourism Development Strategy

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the Northwest Territories we boast about our natural resources, whether it be oil and gas or diamonds. We really have a lot of potential. One thing that I think in many instances that we take for granted is the sustainable potential for tourism. My question today is to the Minister of ITI . What is the GNWT or ITI doing to further tourism development in the Northwest Territories?

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 42-17(2): Tourism Development Strategy

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am sure of the Member’s enthusiasm about the opportunities as I listened closely to his statement. I think it is by working with our folks across the Territories that we are going to develop a sustainable tourism industry here in the Northwest Territories. We are currently looking at a Tourism 2015 plan. A big component of that Tourism 2015 plan includes a component of Aboriginal tourism, which would certainly include cultural tourism as

well. I know in the Member’s riding we are looking forward to the completion of the Deh Cho Bridge and using that as a springboard to further tourism in that area. Thank you.

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

I would like to thank the Minister for his response. Too often we are faced with many challenges presently here in the Northwest Territories and, for that matter, all over Canada. Small businesses sometimes are faced with challenges such as finding funding. One common response that people get in terms of trying to start their small businesses and implementing them is market disruption. What kind of commitment could the Minister make to small businesses that exist or plan on stating a tourism initiative in the Northwest Territories? Mahsi.

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Before I was elected to the House in 2003, I worked for some time as a tourism development officer in the North Slave region. That is the role and the function of tourism development officers. I would suggest that businesses that are interested in getting into tourism and developing tourism product in the Deh Cho and the South Slave and my colleague’s riding would get in touch with the department officials in the region and work through how it is that we can help them get into business to provide further tourism products here in the Northwest Territories and specifically in the Member’s riding. Thank you.

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, my final question is to the Minister. The Minister did mention that the department is looking at developing a plan for year 2015. I understand there are initiatives to ensure that people are involved from a broad perspective. How does he ensure that the community perspective, and also at the same time the Aboriginal perspective and also at the same time small businesses are involved with this initiative? Mahsi.

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Mr. Speaker, there certainly is an Aboriginal component to Tourism 2015. There is an advisory panel, as well, on Aboriginal tourism that is part of Tourism 2015.

The future is very bright. I think we have a number of things that are putting the Northwest Territories on the map. Currently, I would like to suggest that the Northwest Territories is the reality show capital of Canada. We have Ice Road Truckers recently came back to the Northwest Territories to film the new season. We have NWT Ice Pilots, a very successful show, and also Licensed to Drill, a new television series is filmed in the Northwest Territories at sites I believe just outside Tulita and in the delta, and also Arctic Air. We have a number of commercials. I hope Members have seen that television show and saw the commercials.

We are doing our best to market the Northwest Territories. I think, in that effort the big winner is the beautiful landscape that we have here in the

Northwest Territories and showcasing that to residents across this country and globally, as well, because that show is successful on-line as well. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 43-17(2): Recreational Land Lease Policy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are addressed to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . I want to follow up on some of the points that I raised in my Member’s statement. I attended one of the two public meetings that were held here in Yellowknife. In listening to the back and forth and in listening to the responses from Municipal and Community Affairs staff, there was an indication that there was a possibility for more consultation. I would like to know from the Minister what process is intended to be followed now. What steps will MACA take? What is MACA going to do going forward?

How are they going to ensure that they get the right information so that we get the right policy put in place? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 43-17(2): Recreational Land Lease Policy

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The steps going forward, we have released a discussion paper, as the Member had noted in her Member’s statement. We had to get something on the table for the public to latch on to. The next steps are to consult with all affected stakeholders and use all the information we gather to do the final framework. Again, this is just a discussion paper; it is not the final product. We will be working on getting the final product out by June 30th of this year. Thank you.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, thanks to the Minister. I hope by final product he means a report and not implementation, but I will come back to that.

One of the things that was glaring and obvious in the meeting that I was at, is that there has to date been no formal consultation with First Nations, the Yellowknives Dene whose traditional lands this area sits within. There has been no direct consultation with the users of the area, whether they be current leaseholders or day-use users. I would like to know from the Minister whether or not that specific consultation will be done. Thank you.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

The discussion paper that we put out, we will consult with all affected stakeholders before we release the final drafting in June. The final draft is actually not the implementation, as the Member had noted. It would be a draft taken into consideration, all the

comments that we have heard during the consultation process. Thank you.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Again, thanks to the Minister. I would like to know from the Minister, because this is another area that, in my mind, where lack of information was glaringly obvious. There was no assessment of current use of particularly the Vee Lake and Walsh Lake areas and a couple of small lakes around it like Jackson and Banting, I believe. I would like to know from the Minister if we are talking about a June 30th final document, how will

the department get that current use evaluation, that data, how will they get that prior to June 30th . I think

it is vitally important that they have that data in order to have a good framework and policy going forward. Will the department do that work that is required? Thank you.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

I believe the department has done some work in identifying the density of the cabins out in these particular lakes as they have done around the airport like in Inuvik, just to ensure that there is room for growth and able to get more cabins on there. Some of that work is done. Again, I will assure the Member that we need to make sure we get a good product out there and this is one that we are going to take our time, make sure we get the right product out there before any kind of implementation because it is very important to residents not only of the lakes surrounding Yellowknife but the residents of Airport Lake in Inuvik too. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I totally agree with the Minister that we want to get it right and I think there are a number and certain parts of information that are lacking. The density study unfortunately was done from a desk, it wasn’t done from on the land, and that, in my mind, is lacking.

I’d like to ask the Minister, there’s another area that hasn’t yet been handled, from what I’ve seen, and that would be the ownership issue of letting leases on land that’s been claimed by prospectors where there are mineral claims, and also how is he going to handle the ownership issue of Yellowknives Dene First Nations land. Thank you.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you. Obviously, these are very important questions and ones that we need to address. Part of the consultation between now and when we get the final draft framework done, we need to make sure that we have all these questions answered, the ownership issues taken care of so as we go to implement the framework there’s not a lot of confusion. So we hope to clear up a lot of confusion before we actually get into implementation. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to follow up on my colleague’s questions to the Minister of MACA on the whole business as per my statement earlier. I’d like to start by saying that I do appreciate the department going after a renewal of this policy. It was desperately needed and I think there are a lot of lessons obviously being learned along the way and that’s what I want to do is improve this process.

I’d like to start by asking the Minister if he could explain how it is possible that the Yellowknives Dene First Nation and the central holders and users of these lands had not even received the consultation documents until they heard about them from somebody else and asked for them, much less being included in consultations before the public process began. How could this happen in this day and age? Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This whole process was one, as the Member said, that was much needed. It was one that was actually endorsed by Members of the 16th Assembly to start to carry out the work as they felt there were a lot of squatters out there and the issue needed to be dealt with.

As far consulting, we do our best to try to consult with all affected stakeholders in this. As I responded to Ms. Bisaro , we are trying to get a product out there that they can actually see and make their assessments and comments based on the discussion paper. So it’s not a perfect scenario, but it’s one that the department has worked very hard at trying to address the issue of cabins and squatters that was brought forward and endorsed by Members of the 16th Assembly. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you for the response there, but that’s very lame, Mr. Minister. This is a First Nation we’re talking about here and the fundamental first thing we know in consultation on anything that we do involving the land is to talk immediately and thoroughly with the First Nation. So I hope the Minister will ask his staff, inform his staff on that protocol. It certainly should be routine by now.

Regarding the recommendations, MACA has admitted that the consultant plotting new lease sites did not even leave his office and walk the ground. Area leaseholders, a gold mine of knowledge and experience, were not consulted for their input, preparing informed options. The area is underlain by mineral potential and mineral leases active for 40 years, yet MACA was unaware. We’ve since found out that recreational leases are packed into shallow, and weedy and inappropriate bays. Any weekend trip to the Vee Lake landing would have

revealed that parking and docking are already bursting with users.

So could the Minister comment on why recommendations were brought forward without any on-the-spot visits to proposed lakes and facilities before consultation with the people who already live on the lakes, or site examination of the facilities now in place? Mahsi.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, I’ll try and stay away from lame answers and give the Member the answers that he wants to hear.

As far as I know, we didn’t GPS track the worker that was supposedly glued to his desk and not on site. So I’m not aware of that. I will follow up and find out how many site visits we actually have done. According to the Member we’ve done none but again, without a GPS strapped to our employee, we’re not sure if he’s gone out or not. So I will follow up on that for the Member. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you. I appreciate the Minister’s response. The next question I have is enforcement. Again I am astounded that a department with the responsibility of regulating land use has essentially no familiarity with the land and admits it, and they’re responsible for regulation and they admit they have no capacity and yet they propose no remedy. Or at least I have not heard one so far. At the same time, MACA is proposing to double a number of leases here and the past leases are in complete disarray in terms of any adherence to regulations. We lack the enforcement.

So why is the Minister proposing new leases when we can’t enforce the regulations we have and will he go forward to address our capacity for enforcement? Mahsi.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

It is our intent to grant new leases once the whole framework is done and we’re able to. We are a government for all the people in the Northwest Territories and we do have folks that are sending us communications saying that they think this is long overdue. They think this is a good idea. So we have to listen to them too.

As far as the enforcement goes, the Member is correct; we have been lacking in our ability to enforce in the least little bit. As part of the business plan process, we’re hoping to bring forward recommendations and get feedback from committee. Obviously this is one, because if we are putting a regulation in place, we need to have the capacity to enforce them. So I can assure the Member that we will work on getting that capacity so we’re able to enforce. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Minister’s response. I recognize that this, and maybe much of this, has been inherited by this Minister, but now is the time and opportunity to

address these and I appreciate the Minister’s commitment.

My last question is on the greater issue of our land legacy. We’re in devolution negotiations; we’re proposing to take down the existing federal land management program with no additional resources I know of. As we know, federal enforcement is no enforcement. So we’re inheriting this huge deficit and I called on the Minister during the last Assembly to write the federal Minister, start a correspondence, ask him for priority action to begin enforcing the law. So will the Minister provide us with the correspondence he’s had to date on this with DIAND or whoever, and his perspectives on the implications of this to our devolution negotiations process? Mahsi.

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Question 44-17(2): Recreational Land Lease Policy

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you. The Member is absolutely correct that when devolution does happen, it is something that we will inherit and we have to make sure that we’re best positioned to deal with all of the federal squatters on Crown lands. So we need to position ourselves to deal with that.

I will again commit to the Members that I will update them on any correspondence I have with DIAND as to our concerns with what we may be inheriting. Again, rest assured to Members that we will do our best to ensure that when we do take this over from the federal government, we will be in a position to be able to do the job and do it well. Thank you.

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Question 44-17(2): Recreational Land Lease Policy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Question 45-17(2): Business Incentive And Northern Manufacturing Policies

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated in my statement, I am quite concerned with the implementation of the Business Incentive Policy and the northern manufacturing policy. My question today is for the Minister of ITI and it concerns that BIP and northern manufacturing policy.

How are the departments trained in the implementation of the Business Incentive Policy and northern manufacturing policy?

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Question 45-17(2): Business Incentive And Northern Manufacturing Policies

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 45-17(2): Business Incentive And Northern Manufacturing Policies

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That’s a very specific question and I would suppose that training of staff at the departmental level would take place through the deputy ministers’ committees, I would suppose, and that information would filter down to the departments. There undoubtedly are training sessions that are conducted by the BIP folks at ITI with the various departments. That’s how I would see the training of

departmental staff taking place. I can get a further detailed response for the Member, if he wishes. Thank you.

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Question 45-17(2): Business Incentive And Northern Manufacturing Policies

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

I’m looking forward to that information. My next question is concerning, as my colleague for Hay River South had indicated yesterday, we’ve had some businesses that have been trying to talk to some of the different departments about the services they provide. This may be something the Minister may need to get information on, as well, but how are the different departments informed of the new products and services that companies in the Northwest Territories are added to the Business Incentive Policy listing, I guess?

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Question 45-17(2): Business Incentive And Northern Manufacturing Policies

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

If a company does avail themselves of new equipment that would enhance the services that they could provide, I think that would be part of the salesmanship of the company to get out to both government and private sector to ensure that people know what type of equipment they have and what services they can provide. The Government of the Northwest Territories certainly wants to be a partner with northern businesses and ensure that opportunities are maximized to the greatest extent possible when we do look at procurement here in the Northwest Territories.

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Question 45-17(2): Business Incentive And Northern Manufacturing Policies

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Another area of concern that some of the businesses in my riding of Hay River expressed is the bundling of packages. The departments may have a larger project that includes everything. When they’re building a road, they may include the signage. They may have an engineering contract that includes the drilling. My question to the Minister is: How does the Business Incentive Policy extend to subcontractors that are working for the companies that have the actual contract with the GNWT?

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Question 45-17(2): Business Incentive And Northern Manufacturing Policies

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

This is a very important point to make here. I think some of the recent changes that we have seen with BIP is how those design-build RFPs are evaluated. I share the Member’s concern, that oftentimes the local subcontractors don’t get the work and the work goes someplace else.

I think we’ve done a great deal of work, working with the Construction Association here in the Northwest Territories and other stakeholders, to ensure that we come up with an evaluation criteria that is going to allow the maximum extent possible of local and northern content so that those dollars stay in the North and continue to work to benefit our economy here in the Northwest Territories, not somebody else’s economy. I appreciate the Member’s concerns that we are putting our best efforts to looking at that. I know Public Works and Services has done a good job on that as well.

Going forward, the evaluation criteria are something that we are going to address in a serious way.

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Question 45-17(2): Business Incentive And Northern Manufacturing Policies

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final supplementary, Mr. Bouchard .

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Question 45-17(2): Business Incentive And Northern Manufacturing Policies

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Minister’s comments. My next question is along those lines. How do we encourage the different departments to break down those contracts? Like I had indicated in my Member’s statement, I am concerned that at this level we’re having difficulties getting maximization from northern businesses. When we get into larger projects, how are we going to deal with that? How can we encourage the GNWT and departments to break down these contracts to maximize the northern businesses?

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Question 45-17(2): Business Incentive And Northern Manufacturing Policies

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

I think, in answer to the previous question, a step in the right direction is the evaluation and the criteria to get the government to evaluate RFPs and a waiting system that is going to give more weight to proposals that maximize northern content. That would include subcontractors, engineering services, whatever the case may be. I think, going forward, that is an area that we certainly have to pay attention to as a government. We again need to maximize those benefits to local businesses and northern businesses here in the NWT, not south of our border and in other places.

That’s something that I’m intent on pursuing. I know this government is very interested in maximizing the dollars that stay in the North.

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Question 45-17(2): Business Incentive And Northern Manufacturing Policies

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 46-17(2): Jean Marie River And Maca’s New Deal

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to ask the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs some questions, some old questions on the New Deal. Under the New Deal they’re turning the facilities over to the community of, specifically, Jean Marie River. The issue was that they had committed to train people to have local resources to help maintain and upkeep the facilities. To date they’re not in a capacity situation. I’d like firstly to ask the Minister what the current status of the New Deal is, as it deals with Jean Marie River.

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Question 46-17(2): Jean Marie River And Maca’s New Deal

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 46-17(2): Jean Marie River And Maca’s New Deal

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’ll try to give some new answers to old questions. The New Deal is one that’s been embraced very well by the community governments. Obviously, there are challenges as far as capacity goes in some of the responsibility that they’ve inherited. But the communities have come along really well, working with our partners at

Local Government Administrators program. There’s a training program that Jean Marie River is actually one of the recipients of some funding for, to help train one of the local band members to eventually be in a position to take over the operation of Jean Marie River.

As far as the infrastructure goes, we do work with the communities quite closely to make sure that they’re positioned to be able to handle the infrastructure and maintenance that comes with it. I know in Jean Marie River’s case they have been working with Public Works and Services to do some of the maintenance until they’re better positioned to handle the maintenance themselves.

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Question 46-17(2): Jean Marie River And Maca’s New Deal

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I guess the facilities and assets do get transferred to the community come March 31st . Is that assistance still there up until March 31st or does it end March 31st ? That’s the issue that the

community of Jean Marie River is talking about: that they’re not ready yet, and it’s very, very costly to bring in outside services to the community.

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Question 46-17(2): Jean Marie River And Maca’s New Deal

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Obviously, we’ll do our best to make sure that we don’t leave Jean Marie River on their own as far as the maintenance goes. We’ll work with the community to try to come up with – they usually work with our departments very closely – a maintenance plan, capital plan, and so forth.

Again, we need to make sure that our communities benefit from the transfer, if it means training opportunities for their local residents. There are some cases with some of the communities that have inherited the New Deal where they’ve kind of bundled together and hired maintenance people to make a tour of their communities and take care of the maintenance. We’ll work very closely with the community of Jean Marie River to ensure that they’re not left out on their own without any assistance from MACA.

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Question 46-17(2): Jean Marie River And Maca’s New Deal

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

So is it the Minister’s intent, with regard to Jean Marie River, to continue with the deal as it is, which means transferring the facilities over to the community come March 31st ?

They are anticipating an impact to their budget.

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Question 46-17(2): Jean Marie River And Maca’s New Deal

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

That was the intent of the New Deal right from the beginning, to transfer all assets over to the community and have them responsible for the maintenance of the infrastructure. Again, we work with them and make sure that we’re not setting any of these communities up and putting them in a position where they fail. That’s not our intent. We’ll work very closely with the community but the intent is still there to transfer all assets over to the community.

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Question 46-17(2): Jean Marie River And Maca’s New Deal

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 46-17(2): Jean Marie River And Maca’s New Deal

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I guess one of the questions that they did

ask me is: Can the transfer be delayed until the question of sustainability and ability to maintain the assets are in place?

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Question 46-17(2): Jean Marie River And Maca’s New Deal

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Obviously, I’m not going to make that commitment here on the floor, but I can assure the Member that I’ll have discussions with the officials, see where Jean Marie River is at, see what challenges they’re facing and if there’s any possibility of delaying. I’ll work with the Member and the officials to ensure that Jean Marie is in a good position to succeed once everything’s signed over to them.

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Question 46-17(2): Jean Marie River And Maca’s New Deal

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 47-17(2): Homelessness Issues In Regional Centres

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of Housing with regard to his Minister’s statement that he gave earlier today. Before I begin I just want to commend all the hard work that the department of housing has been doing with the Yellowknife Homelessness Coalition and the creation of the Betty House. However, you have to understand that homelessness is more than a Yellowknife issue; we see it in all our communities. We see it more in the regional centres. I want to ask the Minister what work has been done in the regional centres such as Inuvik, Hay River, Fort Smith and Fort Simpson to deal with the homelessness issues that are arising in those communities as well.

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Question 47-17(2): Homelessness Issues In Regional Centres

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 47-17(2): Homelessness Issues In Regional Centres

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the communities themselves, they have very active groups that try and look after the homelessness issue in their communities. We would work with these communities. The one in Yellowknife here, most of all we helped with the infrastructure. Then the groups are usually responsible for the operation of facilities. If there are groups out there that have ideas and plans and want to sit down with the Housing Corporation, we’re always more than willing to listen to any plans that are out there. As far as