Debates of March 29th, 2004

This is page numbers 403 - 454 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Homelessness

Language Leader Awards 2003

A Representative Public Service

Assisting Oil And Gas Development In The Sahtu

Practical Solutions For Homelessness

Tribute To Inuvik Speed Skating Coach Karen Polkoff

Recognition Of Army Recruit Arthur Lafferty

Issue Of A New Name For The Northwest Territories

Condolences To Family Of Former Chief Edwin Fabien

NWT Council Of Sport And Recreation Partners

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Assisting Oil And Gas Development In The Sahtu

Rationale For NWT Council Of Sport And Recreation Partners

Issue Of Name Change For The Northwest Territories

Supporting The Manufacturing Industry In The Northwest Territories

Community Franchise Recommendations Of The Robertson Report

Waiving Of The Business Incentive Policy

Waiving The Business Incentive Policy

Taltson And Bear River Hydro Projects

Power Rates In Colville Lake

Formal Consultation Standards For GNWT

Waiving The Business Incentive Policy

Written Question 12-15(3): Northern Oil And Gas Development

Written Question 13-15(3): Bad Debt Collections For Corporations, Boards And Agencies

Written Question 14-15(3): Government Investment Into The Northern Manufacturing Industry Over The Last 10 Years

Tabled Document 18-15(3): Deline Self-government Agreement-in-principle

Tabled Document 19-15(3): Second Year Activities Of Towards Literacy: A Strategy Framework 2001-2005, November 2003

Tabled Document 20-15(3): Amendments To

Schedule C Of The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act

Tabled Document 21-15(3): Expression Of Interest For Corporate Training For GNWT Employees

Extended Adjournment Of The House To May 26, 2004

Appointment Of The Human Rights Commission Members

Appointment Of The Director Of Human Rights

Bill 5: Tlicho Community Government Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Revert To Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Recommendation That Public Works And Services Adopt A Consistent Practice For Showing Compensation And Benefits Costs

Recommendation That The Government Formally Respond To The Auditor General's Report On Land Claims Implementation

Recommendation That The Aboriginal Affairs Budget Be Separated Into Multiple Activities

Recommendation Regarding Self-government Implementation And Incremental Costs

Recommendation To Establish Regular Reporting Of All Southern And International Travel

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allen , Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Mr. Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Yakeleya , Honourable Henry Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

David Krutko

My colleagues, I would like to direct your attention to the visitors' gallery, to the presence of former Speaker of the House, former Member of the House, Mr. Tony Whitford. Welcome to the House.

----Applause

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Handley .

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Minister's Statement 20-15(3): Homelessness

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, homelessness is a complex social problem. It does not lend itself to a simple solution or quick fixes. There are a number of departments involved in addressing different aspects of homelessness: Education, Culture and Employment, Health and Social Services, Justice and the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation. To ensure that we move forward in the development of a coordinated response and to optimize scarce resources, I have assigned the lead responsibility to the Minister of Health and Social Services , the Honourable Michael Miltenberger .

A coordinated response to this critical issue must address the many underlying causes of homelessness. Addressing those issues in addition to ensuring an adequate supply of appropriate housing, providing options for employment, ensuring adequate income and dealing with the results of inadequate housing such as increased family violence and health problems is essential if there is ever to be a long-term solution to homelessness.

In recent weeks, the government has initiated steps toward the development of a comprehensive, coordinated, interdepartmental strategy for addressing homelessness in the Northwest Territories. A number of meetings have been held between the various Ministers and officials involved in the delivery of homeless programs, as well as with the chairperson of the Yellowknife Homelessness Coalition, Major Karen Hoeft.

On Thursday, March 25th, the deputy minister of Health and Social Services attended a meeting of the Yellowknife Homelessness Coalition and confirmed the government's short-term priority to work with the coalition to provide adequate shelter space in the city of Yellowknife for next winter. We hope that the lessons learned from this work will assist in addressing homelessness issues in other centres such as Inuvik.

Over the next month, the Minister of Health and Social Services will work with his colleagues, other agencies, the homelessness coalition and other communities to arrange a workshop where issues and possible approaches to addressing homelessness can be identified. During the term of the 14th Legislative Assembly a draft homelessness paper was developed for discussion. This paper will be circulated for further discussion within the next month.

Mr. Speaker, these are some of the preliminary steps taken by this government to address the serious issue of homelessness. It is critical that we work together across government and with our non-government partners to ensure people across the Northwest Territories are able to access and sustain affordable, appropriate housing over the long term. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

----Applause

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Minister's Statement 20-15(3): Homelessness

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 21-15(3): Language Leader Awards 2003

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure today to recognize nine outstanding individuals who will receive the Language Leader Awards. These awards are especially meaningful as each of the award winners are nominated and chosen by their peers from the communities and regions. We need to ensure the grassroots work being done by leaders such as the people we are recognizing today continues. These people don't just talk about the importance of their languages; through their daily activities and lives, they demonstrate how important their language is.

I'm pleased to announce the 2003 Language Leader Awards:

For Chipewyan - the Deninu Kue Chipewyan Language Working Group for their work on a volunteer basis developing and promoting the Chipewyan language, including evening language classes, traditional sewing classes, a youth carnival and maintaining the Chipewyan Language Resource Centre.

For Cree - Mary Cardinal. Mary is a devoted individual teaching children in the Head Start aboriginal language program, parent's language and craft classes, and performing translation work for the NWT Cree Language Program.

For Tlicho - David Gon. David has been a strong advocate promoting language through music, singing, writing, recording and performing in the Dogrib language. As well, David has been involved in many musical programs with students in the Dogrib region.

For French - Ann Marie Vigeant. Anyone who knows this dynamic lady knows that she is always eager to promote her language. Ann Marie has been vital in teaching after- school programs, adult French conversation classes, and organizing all francophone cultural activities in Fort Smith.

For South Slavey - Philip Constant. If you have ever listened to the local radio in Fort Providence, chances are you've heard Philip. He volunteers his time transcribing the stories of elders for learning materials and assisting elders to understand and interpret local issues important to them.

For North Slavey - Lucy Jackson. Lucy has been very active in her community of Fort Good Hope translating for workshops, organizations and corporations in the area. She is very active on the local radio station scene and uses her language in her capacity as a community leader.

For Gwich'in - Ann Firth-Jones. Ann has been instructing Gwich'in on her own time and has made sure that everyone in her place of work is learning a Gwich'in word of the day. As well, she's an active contributor to the Gwich'in newsletter in Fort McPherson and has ensured that the traditional crafts and community events have thrived in her home community of Fort Smith.

For Innuinaqtun - the Holman Sing-along Group. This traditional group has kept their language alive through sharing their songs in Innuinaqtun, including translating hymns and singing traditional songs throughout their communities for special occasions and in times of hardship.

For Inuvialuktun - Mary Tatti. Working as a resource person for language officers at the Inuvialuit Cultural Resource Centre in Inuvik, Mary has also been instrumental in working on the original dictionaries and subsequent updates. She uses and encourages others to use their language on a daily basis.

Mr. Speaker, through the work of these individuals and people just like them in each and every community of the Northwest Territories, we will ensure that all our languages not only survive, but thrive. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

----Applause

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Minister's Statement 21-15(3): Language Leader Awards 2003

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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A Representative Public Service

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is a known fact and an embarrassing truth that our legislature is the only jurisdiction in Canada without representation of women in Cabinet. Our sister territory, Nunavut, has really shown us how they can do much better in this regard and I'd like to congratulate them on having chosen two women Ministers in Cabinet; both of them in senior portfolios. Mr. Speaker, I understand fully that under our system of consensus government the Premier does not have full control over who gets to sit on Cabinet, but he does have the power and responsibility to take actions that would show that he does not support that and to show leadership of inclusion.

In recognizing that, I made a statement in the House on December 12th -- the day after the Cabinet was chosen -- putting the Premier and Cabinet on notice and challenging them to do what is within their power to take strong measures to improve this situation. I suggested to the Premier that in all important senior appointments of the government and boards, I expect to see an increased number of women and aboriginal peoples being selected.

Mr. Speaker, there are 13 departments and corporations that report directly to the legislature. Of those there are currently only two women deputy ministers. In the last legislature it had increased from one to two and at some point we had three. In this Legislature so far it remains at two. But in the last government, the secretary to Cabinet, the most senior deputy minister, was female and the principal secretary to Cabinet, the chief political advisor to Cabinet, was female for a significant period of its life.

Rather than improving on this score, Mr. Speaker, we have taken major steps backward. With the appointment of a male principal secretary and Cabinet secretary and shuffling of all male deputy ministers in different positions, we are now faced with the real possibility where not only will there be no women Ministers, but all of their key advisors in the room will be men also. I must say, Mr. Speaker, the Premier and Cabinet Ministers should be ashamed of creating and condoning this wall of male club at the top.

Mr. Speaker, for the mainstream male operators, it might seem quite normal to sit around the table where all the players are men. They might not even notice that something is amiss when this is happening.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

The Member is seeking unanimous consent conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent to conclude your statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, for the mainstream male operators, it might seem quite normal to sit around the table where all the players are men. They might not even notice that something is amiss when this is happening. But I'm telling you this is not acceptable in the year 2004. I must say over and over again that we must have a government that reflects the face it serves. We expect the Premier and Cabinet to take intentional and deliberate actions to make sure this happens: that our decision-making body has real representation from the other gender and all of our different regions and socioeconomic and cultural backgrounds.

I realize it has only been four months in the life of this government, but so far the ratio of all senior government and board appointments has been 100 percent male to zero percent female. This has to improve, Mr. Speaker, and the Premier and every Cabinet Minister sitting on that side has a collective responsibility to make it happen.

I want to put the Premier and Cabinet Ministers on further notice that I expect to see a marked improvement by the

time we meet again in this House in May and June. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

----Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Assisting Oil And Gas Development In The Sahtu

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm here to tell you today that the Sahtu is open for business. There were four wells being drilled near Colville Lake and two wells drilled just south of Tulita from this past winter's drilling season. Altogether, that makes six exploration wells and geographical programs running for a total of $56 million and 200 hundred jobs that have been created as a result of this exploration. This doesn't even begin to recognize the potential, Mr. Speaker.

It is estimated that by the year 2009, if all goes well, more than 6,000 jobs will be created during the three years of construction of the pipeline. Once the pipeline is shipping gas from the Mackenzie Delta, billions of dollars will flow into the Northwest Territories.

Between now and then, however, four years will be spent in public consultation, technical studies, environmental field work, benefit plans and regulatory reviews. These are just the first steps to get the approval for the pipeline to be built. We have to get on with it, Mr. Speaker.

This government has a role to play and the government should be making it easier for these companies to get through all the consultations, environmental work and regulatory processes. Industry needs a one-stop shop, a coordinated approach. The government needs to train our people on how to negotiate with these companies to get all the benefits of exploration and development. We also need the government to encourage industry to work with us. We need help to form joint ventures so our people can get the training to build this pipeline and secure our future. We especially need the government to keep working on the settlement of land claims so all this development can proceed.

I can see an exciting future for our people, Mr. Speaker. We need the government's help. Thank you.

----Applause

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Assisting Oil And Gas Development In The Sahtu

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Practical Solutions For Homelessness

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm going to respond to the Premier 's ministerial statement today on homelessness. I was struck when I was listening to this today, Mr. Speaker, with all of the nice government and fancy jargon that goes with this and it just absolutely sometimes is amazing to me the words that we find to describe things. The average person must wonder what in heaven's name it means.

Mr. Speaker, the Premier said that homelessness is a complex social problem. It is a complex problem; I agree with him. However, I think the solutions might be a little simpler than what we are making. I think we are making the issue more complex than what it really is. He uses words like "as we move forward with a coordinated response." Now, these people are homeless, so I'm sure they're very interested in options for employment and adequate income. When I think of homelessness, I think of emergency-type situations.

Surely there's some middle ground between somebody sleeping on the street or sleeping on someone's sofa and figuring out how to build them an entire home addressed to their specific needs. Surely there's, yes, a need for long-term solutions, but sometimes, Mr. Speaker, I just wish this government could just be a little bit more practical.

When I listen to this, it sounds like we're going to build a whole religion around this or something. They have initiated steps, they've held a number of meetings, they've confirmed the government's short-term priorities, the government's long-term priorities. They're trying to learn lessons from the work that they're doing, they're arranging workshops. They have drafted a homelessness paper for discussion, then it will be circulated for further discussion. Then they talk about preliminary steps.

So they are meeting with folks and NGOs and stuff in the communities who are probably more on top of this, but, Mr. Speaker, when I listen to this I just can't help but think that maybe there's a practical solution. Like maybe someone should take a crowbar down to the Akaitcho Hall building there next to the school and tear some of the boards off some of these buildings that are boarded up in town and put a big wood heater in there or something. Try and just take, for once, a practical approach to an urgent need instead of, like I said, building a whole department or -- I don't even know how to describe it -- a whole doctrine around it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

----Applause

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Practical Solutions For Homelessness

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Allen .

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Tribute To Inuvik Speed Skating Coach Karen Polkoff

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to take this opportunity to recognize the efforts and dedication of Ms. Karen Polkoff of Inuvik. Ms. Polkoff is a tireless coach and a tireless volunteer with the Inuvik speed skating group. At a recent meet in Yellowknife, Mr. Speaker, the participants made a great deal of accomplishments which were made in recognition of Ms. Polkoff's efforts. On behalf of my constituency, the people of Inuvik and the speed skating community, a heartfelt gratitude is extended to her for her tireless efforts. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

----Applause

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Tribute To Inuvik Speed Skating Coach Karen Polkoff

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Recognition Of Army Recruit Arthur Lafferty

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to honour a young constituent of mine from Fort Simpson who has joined the Canadian Armed Forces. I was honoured to be at his signing-in ceremony and he's in the gallery today. He's the son of a former MLA who served in our House and his father served time in the Canadian Infantry. His name is Mr. Arthur Lafferty. He

enrolled today, which is a pretty significant event for Nahendeh, and I'd just like to commend him on his efforts and following through on his dream to do something that he has always wanted to do.

He will complete his basic training at CFB St. Jean, Quebec. Following this, he will commence basic infantry training in Wainwright, Alberta, then join the ranks of the renowned Princess Patricia Light Infantry. Thank you very much and way to be there, Arthur.

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Recognition Of Army Recruit Arthur Lafferty

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Hay River North , Mr. Delorey .

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Issue Of A New Name For The Northwest Territories

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue I want to address today is one that has come before territorial governments in the past and, in particular, the 13th and 14th Legislative Assemblies. The issue, Mr. Speaker, is the question of whether the Northwest Territories is the right name for our territory. The people of the NWT have spoken loud and clear on this topic and a vast majority have said leave it alone. Yes, there are a few individuals who -- for whatever reason, be it personal preference or leaving a legacy -- would like to see the name changed. Yes, there have been a few names tossed around.

Names such as Denendeh, Deh Cho, and I can't forget the most popular of all: BOB. Mr. Speaker, the last one I heard comes from my colleague, Mr. Yakeleya , and he suggests that we should be called Robin Hood because the federal government keeps robbing from us all the time.

Whatever the name, consensus has not and will not be easy to achieve on this issue. Our Senator, the Honourable Nick Sibbeston, has stepped up to the plate and has decided to take his turn at swinging the renaming bat. I hope, Mr. Speaker, that the pitcher is on target and the strikeout is fast and painless.

---Laughter

Mr. Sibbeston claims the time is right, that our territory is maturing and is stable. However, Mr. Speaker, with all the land claims and self-government negotiations taking place at this time which have the potential of fragmenting our territory even further, I question whether stable is the right word to describe our territory.

Mr. Speaker, on February 23rd of this year, Hay River Town Council passed a motion rejecting the proposal of a name change and received overwhelming support. They further stated that they are proud of the unique history, tradition, cultures and identity associated with the Northwest Territories the world over. Mr. Speaker, we have spent a lot of money over the last few years promoting the Northwest Territories in the world and what it stands for.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Issue Of A New Name For The Northwest Territories

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The Speaker

David Krutko

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent to conclude your statement.

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Issue Of A New Name For The Northwest Territories

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Mr. Speaker, Mr. Sibbeston has taken an approach to this issue that I have a lot of questions about and I would like to ask our Premier some questions during question period as to where our government stands on this issue seeing that, in my opinion, we have some much bigger fish to fry. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

----Applause

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Issue Of A New Name For The Northwest Territories

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod .

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Condolences To Family Of Former Chief Edwin Fabien

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on Sunday, March 21st, 2004, Edward Fabien, a former chief of the Katlodeeche First Nation, passed away. Edward Fabien was a resident of the Hay River Reserve and throughout his life was an active member of that community. Edward had a long, distinguished career as the chief of the Katlodeeche First Nation. He was first appointed in 1965 by the elders and served as a chief until 1971. He was also one of the founding chiefs of the NWT Indian Brotherhood, which later became the Dene Nation. Mr. Fabien continued to be involved in local politics and helped establish what we know today as the Hay River Reserve.

Former Chief Fabien is survived by his children: sons, Roy, Frank and Lee Fabien; and daughter, Jackie Gibb; in addition to many grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Last Thursday the community, friends and family said good-bye to this great Dene leader, father and community supporter. On behalf of the people of the Deh Cho, I would like to send our condolences to his family and know that he will be missed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

----Applause

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Condolences To Family Of Former Chief Edwin Fabien

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Condolences go out to the family. Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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NWT Council Of Sport And Recreation Partners

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Sport and recreation and healthy lifestyles are more and more critical to our society, to the health of our population, to our enjoyment of this great land. We have many wonderful and successful partnerships in this between governments at all levels, between businesses here in the Northwest Territories, and, of course, a huge body of very dedicated and committed volunteers. Over time, though, Mr. Speaker, we have seen a number of different bodies come into existence and be recognized by government for some part or other in the sport and recreation milieu.

There are, I believe, seven different organizations that have now been recognized by this government. They're sharing a pie that hasn't really grown very much, if at all, in the last few years and now, Mr. Speaker, we're considering or -- if I have my information correct, we're beyond the consideration point -- we are going to be seeing the creation of yet another one, the NWT council of sport and recreation partners, in the very near future.

I know, Mr. Speaker, that especially among the volunteers in the territorial sporting organizations -- and they number in the hundreds and serve thousands of people in the

NWT -- even after a couple of years of working through some issues they're still not clear, Mr. Speaker, on what the objectives, what the vision, what the purpose of this new organization. I want to speak for those people here today, Mr. Speaker, to point this area out and to look at whether or not we're really, in creating this new organization, creating yet another layer of bureaucracy and administration for approval or consultation in what many see as an already top-heavy and over-governed system of sport in the Northwest Territories. I am going to be asking the Minister responsible for this some questions later on, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 407

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 407

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the gallery today, we have a young man I spoke about in my Member's statement, Mr. Arthur Lafferty; his mother, Christina Holman; his partner, Tracy Covalenche; friends, Indira Bagg and Jake Waugh; and members of the recruitment team, Captain Frank Bird and Warrant Officer Floyd Powder. Mahsi cho.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 407

The Speaker

David Krutko

Welcome to the House. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ramsay .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 407

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, I would like to again recognize a constituent: former Sergeant-at-Arms and former Speaker of this House, Mr. Tony Whitford. Thank you.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 407

The Speaker

David Krutko

Welcome. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. For those people who haven't gotten recognized, I would like to welcome you to the House. Thank you for coming.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 407

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize my constituency assistant from Rae-Edzo, Ms. Sherry Knapaton-Pain in the gallery.

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Page 407

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 98-15(3): Assisting Oil And Gas Development In The Sahtu

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 407

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my statement today, I spoke about the tremendous oil and gas development in the Sahtu. I explained how much our people need help in negotiating with the oil and gas companies in forming joint ventures and assessing and creating opportunities so that we can build that pipeline and get all the benefits we can from exploration and development. Will our Minister commit to working with the organizations in the Sahtu to determine what assistance they need in negotiations and how the department can assist them and when? Minister of RWED .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 407

The Speaker

David Krutko

Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Bell .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 407

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Certainly we recognize, as a government, the need to work with regional organizations and be supportive. The Member, in his statement, discussed the job opportunities that will flow from pipeline development. I think that is just the tip of the iceberg. The minute we have a pipeline, we have a conduit for gas to markets in the South. I think that we are going to just see an explosion in terms of activity. It is important that we are ready for it.

We have regional petroleum advisors as our eyes and ears on the ground who work with negotiations, but I will acknowledge that I think past governments haven't paid enough attention to this very important file. We need to make sure that resources do flow. That is why I am particularly excited and encouraged that we are seeking to create a joint Member and Cabinet Member committee to address these issues and provide strategic advice and let us know where we can make improvements in terms of government programs and services.

The other point that I would make, I guess, is that there is quite a bit of federal help and federal resources available, but it is a matter of us working with the federal government to coordinate our approach and making sure that local communities and organizations can tap into these resources. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 407

The Speaker

David Krutko

Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Supplementary To Question 98-15(3): Assisting Oil And Gas Development In The Sahtu

Question 98-15(3): Assisting Oil And Gas Development In The Sahtu

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 407

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to hear about the initiative of the joint committee on oil and gas. Mr. Speaker, will the Minister commit to working with the organizations in the Sahtu to determine the assistance they need in forming joint ventures and how he can assist and when?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 407

The Speaker

David Krutko

Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Bell .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 407

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, again, I think that this is certainly the role of the department. We need to focus as much attention on this as possible to make sure that the business opportunities do accrue to northerners. I had a chance to meet with the Petroleum Services Association of Canada. I had an interesting discussion. It was enlightening for me to know that many of the business opportunities, many of the employment opportunities, likely won't flow directly from the Producer's Group and will be subcontracted to these service organizations. It is important that we work closely with them to understand their needs.

I did make a point that we learned from our experience with mining companies. The most successful business approach was meaningful joint venture, not store-front

companies; not paying lip service, but meaningful partnerships. These folks acknowledged that that was their intention as well. I look forward to building on this and building on that initiative. We have a lot of work to do. Certainly, my department will coordinate with other government departments; with the Department of Education, Culture and Employment in terms of training and also with the federal government in this regard. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

The Speaker

David Krutko

Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 98-15(3): Assisting Oil And Gas Development In The Sahtu

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, also, would the Minister consider looking at the land claims agreements in the Sahtu region, where economic measures is a

chapter that is being negotiated. It has been 10 years since the land claims were settled and to see how the people of the Sahtu region could benefit from that negotiated chapter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

The Speaker

David Krutko

Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Bell .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think, certainly, the work that we will do as a joint committee -- I know the discussion we have had around the terms of reference acknowledges and makes this point very clear -- with our programs and services have to recognize the commitments that have been made, particularly by our government, in land claims agreements and also hold the federal government to the same test. The Auditor General recently reviewed some implementation agreements in terms of land claims and I think offered a fairly scathing review of implementation.

It is important that, when the rubber hits the road, these land claims agreements are adhered to, are fully supported and our programming and services, we will go in lock step with those commitments that we have made. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

The Speaker

David Krutko

Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Minister, for one of the biggest forces in getting the pipeline off the ground and working through the Mackenzie Valley, the treaty needs of the people in the local communities in the regions. The Minister informed the House as to what steps he will take with the Department of Education, Culture and Employment in terms of assessing the treaty rights in their regions. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

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David Krutko

Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Bell .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think a good first step was the creation of the Maximizing Northern Employment Program, and the 14th Assembly got that work underway. I think the nature of many of the employment opportunities that will flow from this development is very technical. It will require a fair deal of education and training. We recognize that. We acknowledge that, and we know that we have a challenge on our hands. Some of the work may be sporadic in terms of construction. We think there is ongoing work in exploration and other opportunities.

It may be the case that, as we train people, after taking advantage of these opportunities, they will become more transient and move around the world to utilize their new expertise. I think that would be a good problem to have, Mr. Speaker. I have had discussions with my colleague, the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . This, certainly, is one of the greatest hurdles and greatest challenges on the horizon. If we don't adequately build a capacity and aren't able to train our people, we can be assured of one thing. That is that the jobs will flow to southerners. I don't think that is acceptable. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 6, oral questions. Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Question 99-15(3): Rationale For NWT Council Of Sport And Recreation Partners

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, my question this afternoon is for Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . It relates to the imminent creation of the NWT council of sport and recreation partners. Could the Minister advise what are the issues and problems that are going to be resolved with the creation of this new sport governing body in the NWT? Thank you.

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Page 408

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David Krutko

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Zoe .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the honourable Member for Great Slave knows the history of this new NWT council of sports and recreation partners; it is going to be established next month. We have interim people who are helping us to establish this new sports partners. They are going to be in full operation maybe in the fall time. As I indicated during my opening comments, I was in a hot seat all day. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

The Speaker

David Krutko

Supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, I am afraid I am going to have to use my second question to repeat my first one. What are the issues or the problems that require the creation of yet another governing body in support of recreation? I would really like to know why this organization has to be brought forward. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

The Speaker

David Krutko

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Zoe .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Many communities, recreation associations and individuals identify the need for improved government structure for the management of the NWT sport and recreation

programs and services. So we initiated the full process of gathering all the partners together and had a discussion paper. That particular group made recommendations to the previous Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs .

Through their recommendations, they created this new Northwest Territories sports and recreation partners. These partners, Mr. Speaker, are the Aboriginal Sports Circle of Western Arctic, Beaufort-Delta Sahtu Recreation Association, Mackenzie Recreation Association, NWT Recreation and Parks Association, Sport North Federation and their territorial sport organization. These are the people who are going to be forming this new council.

As I indicated, we have primary goals for this particular group: to provide a forum so communities and partners can have a voice in sports and recreation planning and decision-making; to initiate a discussion with sports and recreation partners and regional representatives on how we can streamline decision-making, improve program coordination and identify new ways to act as resources; to promote opportunities for all NWT residents to access sports, recreation and physical activity programs that are integral to improving health in community development. Those are our three primary goals of this new council. Thank you.

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Page 409

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David Krutko

Supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 409

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for that information. I am going to see that I get a couple more details on this. How many people are involved in this? Is there a budget figure given? The point I am getting at, Mr. Speaker, is that existing organizations, and especially the territorial sporting organizations, are concerned that meagre levels of resources are going to be further eroded by this new organization. I don't want to take away from the purposes the Minister has outlined. But I am looking for some securities and some stability so that our existing organizations are going to be able to continue. Can the Minister give that assurance? Thank you.

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Page 409

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Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Zoe .

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Page 409

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the honourable Member for Great Slave realizes, this new council is going to use their existing budget that they have under Sport North. By getting all of these people together, it is to streamline the decision-making of that whole group. Therefore, when I met with the Sport North Federation, there was no concern raised pertaining to this new council. I indicated to the Member when he asked the question of me, if the president of Sport North has discussed any concern pertaining to this new initiative. When I met with him, he didn't raise any concerns. Thank you.

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Final supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Page 409

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, could the Minister advise what performance measures or what indicators of performance? Is it going to be meeting its objectives? How is this new council going to be measured for its success? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 409

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Obviously, time is going to determine how effective this group is. Once we have them into operation, our department will be working very closely with this new council so that we will monitor them. They will be making recommendations specifically to different programs and services that our department provides. They will be initiating other types of programs for the benefit of all the residents of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Question 100-15(3): Issue Of Name Change For The Northwest Territories

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 409

Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I stated in my Member's statement, the issue of name change for the Northwest Territories seems to have surfaced again, this time with our Senator, the Honourable Nick Sibbeston. I would like to ask our Premier if our government has a position on this issue, considering that we have heard from the public at least twice on this issue. Does our government have a position on whether we want to see a name change or not? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, our government's priorities are determined by the discussions we have here in this House as well as by other groups and agencies who provide us advice or direction on what should be our highest priorities. Mr. Speaker, to date, I have not had anyone tell me that the name change should be on our short list of high priority items we need to achieve as a government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am glad to hear the Premier say that, that he does look at priorities. Is the Premier prepared to look at what Members' priorities are as far as name change is concerned, what their views are on that and relate those views to the Senator? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, when the Senator first raised this issue, he did contact me. At that point, I did tell him that I had received no advice from Members that this should be a priority. We have other things that we wanted to focus on. Unless I hear otherwise, then I will continue to give him that same message whenever I speak with him. Thank you.

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Page 410

Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this issue has been before us before. We have heard talk about it before. I am wondering if the Premier could tell me if government does know how much it would cost if the government should change the name of the Northwest Territories to something else. Has there been a cost analysis done of what it would cost this government if that should happen? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Laughter

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, in spite of the suggestion of the other side that we do a study on it, I will not do one on this. There is no estimate that has been done on it. It would depend on how we did it if it was a name change, whether we did it in all one sweep or whether we did it over time. But, at this point, the issue has not reached the point in its importance that I would even think about doing any kind of study at this time. I realize the Members were joking in asking that we do a study on this. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess we can look at it as a joke, but from the people's perspective out there, that is one issue that they talk about all the time. We talk about changing the name of the Territories and what we have spent to get the Territories to where it is today and what it would cost to change the name. I am going to ask the question to the Premier on process.

The Senator mentions, in his pamphlet that he put out, "that eventually I would introduce a bill to change the name of the territory in the Senate, perhaps as early as this fall." Could that possibly happen that way, that now the name of the Territories would change at the federal level and where we wouldn't even have an input into it? Is that possible? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I believe that, technically, that is a federal decision. It could happen that way, but I would be amazed if there was ever an effort on the part of the federal government to change the name of the Northwest Territories without consulting with the people in the territory. So I don't believe for a minute that that would happen by fall. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6, oral questions. Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 101-15(3): Supporting The Manufacturing Industry In The Northwest Territories

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 410

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am going to ask some questions today of the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . I will take up where my colleague, Ms. Lee , asked some questions in the House on Friday. I read through the Hansard and, to be quite honest, I was not satisfied with the responses the Minister provided. So I would like to ask some further questions, Mr. Speaker.

I am just wondering how long the Minister and the government have known about the need for market housing at the community level in the Northwest Territories. I would suspect I could almost answer that question for the Minister, that they've known for a long time, Mr. Speaker, that it is a need. I want to know what efforts the government has made to work with the manufacturing industry here in the Northwest Territories to get this project going, or if they've even done it at all. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

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Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . I heard two questions, Mr. Minister.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the initiative for market rent housing in the communities has been around for some time, as the Member has answered in response to his question.

---Laughter

The issue has been raised in a number of different reports, and the Special Joint Committee on Non-Tax-Based Community Affairs had heard this concern in their consultations in the different communities, also the members of the Social Programs committee of the 14th Assembly raised it and stressed that something had to be done. So the issue is not a new one. It is something that we are finally attempting to rectify. We know there is a huge need out there. As to consultation with the manufacturing community, I don't have that detail. I will commit to finding out who was contacted and see if I could release that information. Thank you.

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Page 410

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would suggest that the Minister undertake to find that information out. If I could quote the Minister from Hansard last Thursday, "Our time frame right now hasn't allowed us to deal with the value-added, built-in-the-north issue." That's a direct quote from the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . They haven't worked with the manufacturing industry here in the Northwest Territories. Are we

supporting the manufacturing industry in the Northwest Territories or aren't we? By waiving the BIP I don't believe we are. I want to know, Mr. Speaker, how much has this government spent on propping up our fledgling manufacturing industry here in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't have an answer to how much was spent in the manufacturing industry over our history. However, Mr. Speaker, I want to point out that we are looking at and we are meeting with developers that have come forward. We have talked to the Construction Association that is willing to look at this as an opportunity to look at a made-in-the-north solution.

We have a number of different ways we can attempt to deal with it. The bottom line, however, does not change; that we have to have units in the communities that we can provide at affordable market rate, competitive rent. Failing that, we would not be able to move forward. We have done a survey with many boards and agencies in the communities, we had questionnaires sent to the private sector companies in non-market communities to assess the size of the dwellings needed, the type of structure, the number of units required and other housing factors. We have to realize that there is a need.

There is more exploration needed in this issue. We certainly have heard the Members in Committee of the Whole about their desires for this to be handled within the Northwest Territories, and we will continue to talk to the developers, the Association of Communities and the Construction Association, and look at different ways. If it means going with smaller units, if it means pilot projects, we're willing to look at that. Thank you.

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Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for his response. I don't agree with the Minister. I think the government hasn't done enough to work with the manufacturing industry here in the Northwest Territories, and I want to ask the Minister will he put the brakes on this tender that closes this Friday so the Housing Corporation can in fact work with the manufacturing industry here in the Northwest Territories, so the jobs stay here and the money stays here, instead of going south? If it closes on Friday, it will go south. We'll lose the money, we'll lose the jobs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

----Applause

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, once again, I would like to make the Members aware that if I go through the request that the Member is making, to stop this process, that would mean no units in the communities for this year. We have huge pressure from the different organizations, from the different communities, to do something and do it quick. I would also like to point out that the tender process is open to northern bidders, and if it comes down to me saying whether or not I would defer these units, these modular homes into the communities, I would have to say no. Thank you.

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Item 6, oral questions. Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Page 411

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Premier , with respect to some power-related issues. Mr. Speaker, in the 14th Assembly, this government undertook something that has become known as the Robertson report, which covered quite a few different areas. The report ultimately contained 22 recommendations, and I think was quite a good and comprehensive piece of work that was done. I would like to ask the Premier if he has an idea, just in a ballpark, what we might have spent on that report in the 14th Assembly. Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I don't know exactly what we spent on the report, but the preparation of the report and a lot of related and subsequent research that was done on that report cost the government, I believe, somewhere in the neighbourhood of $700,000. But that included more than just preparing the report itself. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am also wondering how many of the 22 recommendations that were contained in that report have been acted on to date. I think there were some good recommendations that came out of that work. Specifically, one of the recommendations related to the protection of the asset of the Power Corporation as it relates to the franchises for providing power in the NWT communities.

At the time, we were going through an interesting scenario where other people were coming in from outside and trying to bid on what they thought were profitable communities in the North, to come in and just pick one community and provide diesel-generated power in that community. So one of the recommendations related to franchises, and it related to grandfathering the existing franchises and then forming a monopoly for the remaining

communities so that it would create some surety and some ability to plan on the part of the Power Corporation. So I would like to know what was the decision that was made with respect to the recommendation on franchises. Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, this goes back before this government, to the 14th Assembly, but at that time there was a decision to not have any franchise changes until we had looked at all the recommendations and created more of a strategic plan for the generation and delivery of energy throughout the Territories. So there have been no franchise changes in the 14th Assembly. The government did not support what was referred to as cherry picking and take what's profitable. To this date, our government also has the same view. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's my understanding that a number of the community franchises are not signed and in place right now with the Power Corporation. Legislatively, what instrument do we have to prohibit a company coming in, other than the Power Corporation, and competing for power supply in those communities? Right now, at the present time, what's stopping that from happening? Thank you.

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Mr. Premier .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, there are some franchises that have terminated and have not yet been signed off, but we are in the process of doing that. To my knowledge, there really isn't anything that would prevent someone from coming in and setting up a competing structure if they wanted to. In most situations, they would have an incredible task on their hands if they wanted to handle both generation and distribution. Mr. Speaker, I expect that if they were to try and set up a whole new system or duplicate a system, the Public Utilities Board may also come into play on that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Premier if he has any plans or if this government has any plans to put something in place from a legislative point of view, that would create a monopoly for those communities which are presently being served by the NWT Power Corporation, to prevent such a scenario from happening. We know that in Fort Simpson it almost did happen, where an outside community came in and took that particular community out of the NTPC revenue base and mix. Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, the Member is correct, that there were 22 recommendations in the Robertson report. Franchises certainly was one of them. That is something we are looking at, and certainly will take into consideration the issue about having people come in and try to provide energy services in selected communities. So our intention as we put together our action plan on the Robertson report, which we fully intend to do, is to prevent that kind of cherry picking from happening.

But at the same time, also leave it open for northerners who may want to try some alternative methods of generating energy on their own, whether it's solar panels or possibly even generators that they would set up in their own businesses to produce both heat and energy. So we don't want to exclude everyone from having input, but we do want to prevent people from coming in and picking out those that are profitable. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6, oral questions. Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Question 103-15(3): Waiving Of The Business Incentive Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to pursue questions on the BIP issue. Mr. Speaker, last Friday in Hansard on page 826, the Minister of RWED ...My question is to the Minister of the Housing Corporation . I do want to say that the Premier and Ministers McLeod and Bell on Friday made commitments to this House to provide various stats and figures, based on which they made the decision to waive the BIP. It was supposed to be done before session and we still don't have it, so I have to pursue more questions. Mr. Speaker, I am not clear about how these decisions came about to waive the BIP.

There was a suggestion that this decision was made in the last Assembly. Then there is a suggestion that we have to go now, we can't put a brake on or else all projects will fail. So I would like to ask the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation who decided to waive this BIP, this Cabinet or the last Cabinet? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there was a commitment made on Friday to provide information to the Members, and I have followed up and we're expecting that information to be here shortly. In response to the question on who made the decision, the initiative was developed in the 14th Assembly, however, the Cabinet of the 15th Assembly confirmed and it was to go ahead to proceed with this whole initiative. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I wonder if anybody notices the irony that the Cabinet could take a whole assembly to make a decision like this, but Members on this side have no say whatsoever. We get two weeks' notice and we have to go with it or else. We are being told over and over the government will not revisit this, that he will not put any brakes on this. Mr. Speaker, I think there is less than full information that we know about what is surrounding this contract. All the Ministers have suggested that they are waiving the policy, because having the policy in this contract has the potential to increase the cost.

The Ministers also suggest that they have to go with the most economically feasible one, and that northern contractors have the option to apply, suggesting that everybody is open to bid on it and whoever bids the best will get it. But, Mr. Speaker, I have information that suggests that the Minister and the government is really going for the southern contractors. So I would like to know from the Minister whether or not there has been any direct communication between the department with the southern contractors to see this contract go to the south. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm not aware of anybody in the south who has been contacted. There may have been some contacts made in terms of assessing what the average cost of these units would be, but I have not seen any information in that regard. We are quite comfortable that there are many, many people picking up the tenders, including northern people interested in bidding on these things. But in response to the Member's question, no, I am not aware of any companies that were contacted, at least not any that have been brought to my attention. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would suggest that the Minister speaks to his officials and confirms as to whether or not southern companies were contacted about this contract and, if so, whether any northern contracts were contacted as well. Mr. Speaker, my last question; I do not understand the rationale that if we put a break on this tender process until some questions are answered that are being raised by the Members in this House, that we're not going to see housing this fall. I don't understand that rationale. I would like to ask the Minister again whether or not he would consider extending the time by one month? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you. As the request from the Member indicates, there seems to be some dissatisfaction with the communication. We are having a Cabinet meeting on Thursday, and it's something I will bring up for discussion. However, we have to keep in mind if this project is deferred by a month, we certainly will not meet the barge deadlines and, therefore, may not be able to go ahead. However, I will commit to the Member that I will bring it forward for Cabinet's discussion. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will continue where my colleague, Ms. Lee , left off. I have some more questions for the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . The Minister states that if we delay the tender, that the units will not get into the communities, and I must say I don't disagree. This has to happen and it's the timing of the whole thing. But, Mr. Speaker, what evidence is there that the Housing Corporation has consulted and communicated with northern manufacturers? Will the Minister provide this House with that information? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I already made the commitment that I would go back to my officials and get that information. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will remind the Minister that the tender closes on Friday, which would in effect cut the northerner manufacturers out of the equation on this tender. When the Minister speaks of it being less expensive by waiving the BIP, where is the proof of this, Mr. Speaker? Can the Minister show us the proof? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what was done in this instance was a general average of what it would have cost for mobile homes to be utilized. In terms of proving it would be more expensive, that's a very difficult task as the Member knows. All we can provide and use as estimates is a best-case scenario, which is a general average, and a worst-case scenario, and anything in between. There is potential for up to a 15 percent increased cost. We will provide that information to the Members. Thank you.

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Supplementary. Item 6, oral questions. The Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 105-15(3): Taltson And Bear River Hydro Projects

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, my questions are for the Premier with respect to power-related issues. Mr. Speaker, information would indicate that with respect to the Taltson Hydro Dam expansion that our government has invested a fair amount of money in posing that question as to whether or not that is a good idea, and whether or not there is a market for additional hydro from the Taltson River, at least $1 million on an engineering study and at least $1 million on an environmental study.

The market that is being targeted for that hydro is from mining companies, and we have heard reference to the Snap Lake mine as one of the potential customers for that. Mr. Speaker, I realize that we need to invest money in order to make money, and this seems to have some financial viability for the Power Corporation and ultimately for this government, but I am wondering how confident the Premier is with respect to those markets given the amount of money that is being invested in pursuing this Taltson expansion. Thank you.

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