Debates of Oct. 29th, 2004

This is page numbers 1073 - 1100 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Ministers Absent From The House

Recognition Of Nellie Cournoyea As Energy Person Of The Year

Canadian War Memorial At Vimy Ridge

NWT Council Of Sport And Recreation Partners

Need For A Medical Detoxification Facility

Territorial Power Rate Support Program

Community Support For Persons With Disabilities

Proposal To Establish Nahendeh Airline

Monitoring Consumption Of Fuels And Power

Critical Need For Drug Treatment Centres

Tuktoyaktuk To Inuvik Highway

Lack Of Addictions Treatment In The Nwt

Sobriety Challenge To Youth Of The Nwt

Community Services For Disabled Persons

Government Consumption Of Fuels And Power

Territorial Power Support Program

Availability Of Federal Economic Development Strategy Funding

Need For A Medical Detoxification Facility

Planning For A Medical Detoxification Facility

Staffing Addictions Treatment Positions

Development Of The Federal Strategy For The North

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Written Question 66-15(3): Programs And Services Available To Disabled Persons

Written Question 67-15(3): Funding For An All-weather Road In The Sahtu

Written Question 68-15(3): Trends In Drug-related Offences

Return To Written Question 32-15(3): Appeal Process For Housing Program Clients

Tabled Document 88-15(3): Community Futures Program 2003-2004 Annual Report

Establishment Of Addictions Treatment Centres

Extended Adjournment Of The House To February 9, 2005

Establishment Of Addictions Treatment Centres

Extended Adjournment Of The House To February 9, 2005

Issuance Of Special Warrants

Assent To Bills

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good morning, Members. Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Minister's Statement 71-15(3): Ministers Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Charles Dent will be absent from the House today to attend the federal/provincial/territorial Ministers of Culture and Heritage meeting in Halifax.

I would also like to advise Members that the Honourable Michael McLeod will be absent from the House today to attend to a personal matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 71-15(3): Ministers Absent From The House

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Minister's Statement 72-15(3): Recognition Of Nellie Cournoyea As Energy Person Of The Year

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, on Tuesday night while in Ottawa for the First Ministers' meeting, I had the opportunity to attend the Energy Council of Canada's annual dinner. I was pleased to attend this event as the highlight of the dinner was the presentation of the Canadian Energy Person of the Year for 2004, which I am thrilled to say is Ms. Nellie Cournoyea.

---Applause

The recognition of Ms. Cournoyea is a very deserving one. For most northerners, Nellie Cournoyea is no stranger. She is a former Premier of the Northwest Territories and current chair/CEO of the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation.

Born in Aklavik, Ms. Cournoyea was educated through the federal Aklavik Day School by Alberta correspondence courses. She worked at CBC Inuvik for nine years as an announcer and station manager, was a land claim fieldworker for the Inuit Tapirisat of Canada and a founding member and later administrator and land rights worker of the Committee of Original Peoples' Entitlement. She was the first managing director of the Inuvialuit Development Corporation after being part of the land rights negotiating team.

She also held the position of implementation coordinator for the Inuvialuit Final Agreement for several years and served on the board of directors of the Inuvialuit Petroleum Arbitration Board. Having decided not to run in the 1995 NWT election, Ms.

Cournoyea returned to the Beaufort-Delta in January 1998. She was re-elected chair/CEO of IRC, a position she holds today.

She has received many other awards including:

• Woman of the Year Award from the NWT Native Women's Association, 1982;

• Wallace Goose Award from the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation, 1986;

• National Aboriginal Achievement Award, 1994;

• Honourary Doctorates in Law, Lakehead University, 1995, Carleton University, 1996 and the University of Toronto, 1996.

The Energy Council of Canada is the Canadian Member Committee of the World Energy Council. It is made up of over 100 members from Canada's energy sector, dedicated to enhancing the effectiveness of Canada's national energy policy. The council seeks "to forge a better understanding of energy issues among the public and private sectors and the country at large, through discussion and exchange of information on all forms and aspects of energy." The primary goal, as Canada's pan-energy association, is to work with the sectoral energy associations to create a vigorous and effective energy strategy dialogue in Canada, engaging a broad range of players in industry and in governments.

Mr. Speaker, Members of the Legislative Assembly, please join with me in congratulating Ms. Nellie Cournoyea for being the much deserving recipient of this national award. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 72-15(3): Recognition Of Nellie Cournoyea As Energy Person Of The Year

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Canadian War Memorial At Vimy Ridge

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mahsi, thank you and good morning, Mr. Speaker. Earlier this year on a family vacation to Europe, my family and I took the opportunity to visit one of the most remarkable and inspiring places I've seen and that was the Canadian War Memorial at Vimy Ridge in France, Mr. Speaker. The time allotted won't allow me to go into a description of everything that we saw and felt, but it was a very calm and a very quite day in June when my family and I walked amongst the monuments. Those 30-metre-tall white marble spires dominating the landscape are indeed inspiring. The rows and rows of graves of

Canadians and other allied service people who gave their lives in that remarkable First World War battle and the tours of the tunnels and the front lines and the remarkable damage and carnage that happened during that battle were very humbling. They made me feel very grateful for the sacrifices of Canadian and other service people over the three years of that campaign, and they gave me a great feeling of pride, Mr. Speaker, for what our Canadian nation has done since then and today around the world.

Mr. Speaker, there are still many veterans of World War II and the Korean War; 25, I understand, who live in the Northwest Territories. I salute them. I hope that we all do that on Remembrance Day on November 11th, and I want to express the gratitude that I have in a sense that I hope we never take for granted the sacrifices that they made to give us one of the most remarkable things and that is freedom to have our say, to speak our minds and for the democratic institution that we all work with and celebrate day after day. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Hear! Hear!

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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NWT Council Of Sport And Recreation Partners

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, leading an active lifestyle, getting outside in the fresh air and participating in sports improves peoples' lives. For elders, leading an active lifestyle can prevent diseases like diabetes and being active can help you to better manage an illness. For youth, being active improves self-esteem, their coordination and even their performance in school. Benefits of an active lifestyle are...(inaudible)... and one of the answers to a lot of our social problems in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, that's why I want to say that I'm glad that the implementation plan for the Northwest Territories Council of Sport and Recreation Partners is complete now and this is a very worthwhile initiative. Before this new council was created, a lot of small communities didn't feel like they were involved with sports and recreation. Recreation in the communities suffered. Programs weren't being coordinated very well, and there just wasn't enough money for them.

Mr. Speaker, I'm particularly excited by the NWT Council of Sport and Recreation Partners proposed duties. The new council will have an advocacy role, and they promise to engage and involve every community while respecting their individuality. The NWT Council of Sport and Recreation Partners is also promising to listen and respond to the communities. The council is going to ensure community support, which I think is a good initiative, Mr. Speaker, and a long time coming.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, the new council is supposed to make sure that all residents of the Northwest Territories have access to sports and recreation programs. Mr. Speaker, three years of consultation went into creating the council and it wasn't an easy process, but I think it is a very worthwhile initiative. The new council is supposed to be appointed by February 2005 and they are going to have their first meeting in April. I just want to wish them the best of luck. Mahsi.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Zoe . Item 3, the honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Need For A Medical Detoxification Facility

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to talk about the need for a medical detox facility in Yellowknife. I'd like to talk about this subject because I don't want Archie Tsetta and Vawn Ruthven, who are two of hundreds of northerners who struggled with drug and alcohol addiction problems, to have died in vain. Eighteen months ago, coroner's juries in both Ruthven's and Tsetta's case called for a medical detox facility, but the Minister of Health and Social Services has failed to respond to those recommendations.

In response to a report calling again for a new addictions strategy, including medical detoxing, Minister Miltenberger 's response was, and I quote "we have to make a fundamental decision about whether we want to put money into bricks and mortar or do we want to put money into programs at the community level."

Mr. Speaker, I think the money should go where the people need it most, and that is to a dedicated detox facility. That, to me, is fundamental, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, for some addictions like the addiction to crack cocaine, you need to be able to medically detoxify. Your withdrawal has to be managed safely and medically. Twenty percent of addicts die while going through delirium treatments, or the DTs. Currently, Stanton and Hay River are the only places in the North that have detox beds and these services are inconsistent. Stanton is currently spending $5,000 per week to care for addicts. That's $250,000 per year, Mr. Speaker. The time and resources used to deal with addictions takes away from the hospital's ability to deal with other medical issues. We have a serious drug problem in the Territories and it's only getting worse.

A while ago the RCMP found 541 grams of crack cocaine destined for Yellowknife in a truck that went off the road. At the beginning of this month police seized 193 grams of crack cocaine out of a hotel room in Hay River. One million dollars annually is spent on the drug trade in Hay River alone, and about $100,000 of that is for crack cocaine. Really, no one knows how much is spent in Yellowknife.

The RCMP have noticed a drastic increase in cocaine usage. The Nats'ejee K'eh Treatment Centre, who two years ago used to only treat those addicted to alcohol and marijuana, is now starting to see a rise in those addicted to stimulants like crack cocaine. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Need For A Medical Detoxification Facility

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Drugs are reaching the North from the highway system and the dealers are attracted by the high prices they can sell crack cocaine for in the North. The going rate is $120 per gram. That's $40 to $50 more a gram than it sells for down south. Mr. Speaker, apparently we have become a Disneyland for drug dealers. Our drug use is going through the roof, but we have very little to offer those who are addicted and those who need help. We have to be able to help addicts when they need help and we need to do it safely, humanely and effectively. We need a medical detox facility and we need one now, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Territorial Power Rate Support Program

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the last government and again recently there have been concerns raised about the cost of power in communities served by diesel generators. This is particularly of concern at this time because of the unprecedented high price of crude oil and the volatility of supply issues. I would like to see this government look at two things: first of all, a proactive and immediate response to anticipated riders in diesel communities. These communities need to be protected where the costs of other essential goods and services are already higher than other communities.

---Applause

For the longer term, a Territorial Power Support Program will go some ways towards addressing price increases, but the gaps in the Territorial Power Support Program, as related to small business, will be magnified by price increases and rate riders. This is why I believe the GNWT needs to take a serious look at the territorial support program now. Previous opinions and rulings of the Public Utilities Board have been quite categorical about the fact that their mandate is to regulate NTPC as a utility like any other, regardless of who the shareholder is.

This is based on normal principles regarding allowable expenses and rates of return. It is then the mandate of this government to address the concerns of social and economic fairness to the regions and the constituents that we represent. This issue requires immediate attention. It will cost money, however, I consider it a priority of this government to mitigate the high cost of energy where that cost is prohibitive to economic growth or it denies residents a reasonable and affordable cost of living in our communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Community Support For Persons With Disabilities

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, growing up in Fort Norman as a young boy I first began to notice that not all people are born the same. Mr. Speaker, it was my grandfather who taught me this. You see, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Noel Gladue, my grandfather, was in his latest stages of his life as being labelled "normal person" as I saw him as a young boy. Mr. Speaker, shortly after that, my grandfather was confined to his wheelchair until he passed away in the early '80s.

Mr. Speaker, I watched on CBC last night about a young boy who was born disabled, and yet he made great strides to live his life to the fullest in spite of the challenges he faced everyday. Mr. Speaker, what my grandfather taught me, my brothers and sisters, was patience, persistence, life is what you make of it, and count your blessings, just do things.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Proposal To Establish Nahendeh Airline

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, mahsi cho. Today I want to address the issue of business opportunities. Everywhere in the North right now people are beginning to look ahead to the construction of the Mackenzie Valley pipeline. However, if we in the North are going to benefit from the opportunities the pipeline project is expected to bring, we need to be prepared, with businesses up and running for when the ball starts rolling. The opportunities that are expected to come will be diverse.

Construction of a pipeline will require a wide range of services, not all of them directly related to pipeline construction and engineering. One area that will see a significant increase in business opportunities is the airline business. Leaders in my riding have identified an opportunity there and are trying to take advantage of it. Chiefs from six communities have developed a proposal to consolidate existing local airlines into one large company that will be able to respond to the coming changes and take full advantage of them and profit thereby. The chiefs see the proposal as a way to take control of their own destiny.

I believe a proposal like this would be an efficient use of local resources and would contribute significantly to the economic independence of communities and would be a source of pride. As a government, we are supportive of such initiatives. In fact, one of our goals is self-reliant people and communities on the Northwest Territories. With this proposal, we must act quickly and efficiently or else there is a great danger we will lose out the

opportunity that is being presented to us. Once again, established southern interests mainly move in, take over and our wealth will move out.

Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, the government doesn't seem to understand the urgency of this issue for the chiefs. The Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, upon receipt of this proposal, indicated that historically it will take a year to process and make this proposal a reality; a year, Mr. Speaker. There probably won't be an opportunity a year from now. The opportunity will have been lost to some other investments somewhere else. I want to impress upon the Minister and the government the need to respond quickly to this proposal and treat it with the urgency it requires. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Monitoring Consumption Of Fuels And Power

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise again because I still have concerns about the rising oil prices. Mr. Speaker, I spoke yesterday to the Minister of FMBS about these concerns. Unfortunately, I felt that my answers were lacking any true lustre. Mr. Speaker, I am concerned again and I will have questions about the monitoring and consumption of fuel and power. I don't believe that I got solid answers on how we are doing this. So, Mr. Speaker, attention needs to be looked at this issue. It's a serious issue. We need direction.

I'm not suggesting that we need to spend oodles of government money that we do not have. I'm talking about a directive. I'm talking about conscious steps that we could be taking. As I said yesterday, we could be suggesting turn down those lights, turn down those heating register dials. We could be doing things like that. Don't let our cars idle as long. I'm not talking about well, we budgeted for this a year ago on an annual basis, we'll readdress this. I'm not talking about costly renovations either. I'm talking about simple, conscious choices.

Mr. Speaker, it's time this government gets running with those stone legs. Mr. Speaker, I think this government has lead feet on this issue. Unless this Finance Minister knows how to turn lead into gold, we're in real trouble, Mr. Speaker.

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Big trouble.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

We need a directive that looks at this problem. This is a simple solution. We need to personalize this solution as a commitment to the people of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Critical Need For Drug Treatment Centres

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to also talk about the critical need for a drug treatment centre in the NWT. This grave concern I have is not because of the numerous calls I have received in regard to this issue, it has also developed into something more personal now. This epidemic is becoming increasingly more visible in our everyday lives with close friends, relatives and families becoming victims to this crisis in only a matter of a few days or weeks, Mr. Speaker.

We are all aware that the migration patterns reveal a distinct urbanization trend toward larger centres and more noticeably by aboriginals. With these changes, the communities are faced with increased pressure on health programs, education and our housing programs, but we cannot forget about the increase in violent crimes, Mr. Speaker, which is now five times our national average; and the property crimes going up every month it seems, is 40 percent higher than our national average.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to encourage our government to initiate an action plan to address this public concern before we are faced with a full-blown epidemic, which gets totally out of our control. We need a plan which involves all governments and community organizations, a plan that encompasses goals on support programs and preventative activities for our youth and adolescents to treatment and aftercare of adults and families.

Mr. Speaker, I realize that this issue is not something that can be resolved overnight, but I do know that we have a responsibility to our northern residents, and especially our youth, to take immediate pro-action so that we are not left so far behind that we can no longer assist or provide the needed help that our residents require. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Tuktoyaktuk To Inuvik Highway

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I rise to speak on the Tuktoyaktuk-Inuvik highway. The deputy mayor of Tuktoyaktuk and I invited a number of MLAs to meet with the Minister of Transportation recently, and I thank them for attending. I also thank the Minister for hearing us out.

Once again, Mr. Speaker, the Tuk-Inuvik committee are planning to revitalize the committee. There is strong support to make this road a reality, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in a report by Ferguson Simek Clark in 1997, I know it is sort of outdated but, in the report, Mr. Speaker, a service road may be completed over time. The estimates of the annual cost of the road being done in five years, $7.2 million annually; 10 years, $3.6 million annually; and 20 years, $1.8 million annually; for a total of $40 million. However, this estimate may raise the cost of the amount in 2004. Mr.

Speaker, this government has always put the onus on the federal government. I understand this is the case. However, we should take the lead role to make this service road a reality in order to travel from coast to coast to coast.

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Transportation should work with the Tuktoyaktuk-Inuvik committee, and together

they may be able to put this partnership forward. In closing, Mr. Speaker, I urge the Minister of Transportation to immediately contact his federal counterpart to discuss this project about the Tuk-Inuvik service road. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Lack Of Addictions Treatment In The Nwt

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1077

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are well aware the toll that addiction to alcohol, drugs and gambling is having on our people and our society. The problem is getting worse every day, Mr. Speaker. We are also aware that the toxicity of the new drugs, especially crack cocaine on the street, is getting more intense and very unforgiving to those who come in touch with it. There is almost no second chance, Mr. Speaker. I believe we are also aware, Mr. Speaker, that we need an agreement that so much needs to be done by this government if we are ever to make inroads into what we are facing.

Otherwise, I don't believe it will be too long before this monster destroys most of our social, political, educational, and correctional infrastructures at a cost that no government can bear.

Mr. Speaker, a couple of weeks ago, I attended an unveiling ceremony of the new drinking and driving legislation sponsored by the Minister of Transportation . One phrase that struck me there was coroner Percy Kinney's description of alcohol addiction as a slow-motion, silent killer. Mr. Speaker, I believe we are now dealing with a bundle of slow-motion silent killers in addictions. We have a monstrous and multi-pronged addiction in alcohol, drugs, and gambling that our people are battling with. This government has to become a much stronger partner with the service providers and those who are suffering from these addictions.

Mr. Speaker, the third week of November is designated as National Addictions Awareness Week. The theme is to keep the circle strong. I have placed a beautiful hand-beaded ribbon on each Member's desk this morning. These ribbons are made and designed by Nechi Institute in Edmonton. I am hoping that the Members will either wear it or keep it close to them to remind us of the task at hand that we need to deal with and to really wrestle the monster down for the good of our territory and for our people who are suffering. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Sobriety Challenge To Youth Of The Nwt

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1077

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to put out a challenge to the youth in the Mackenzie Delta. Mr. Speaker, as a young leader and a young man 14 years ago, I can recall the elders of the Mackenzie Delta put out a challenge to myself and the other leaders in the Mackenzie Delta to set the example and be sober and be an example to others.

---Applause

I took up that challenge some 14 years ago and have been sober since.

---Applause

I would like to challenge the youth of our communities to stop drinking, stop the abuse with regards to alcohol and drugs, but also take on the challenge to be our role models in our communities. By challenging your friend, your brother, your sister and set the example for your younger brothers and sisters, you can definitely make a difference like I did to set the example for who we serve. As young individuals, you can make a difference. You can show other people in your communities that it is okay to be sober. It is okay to live a healthy life. It is okay to set the challenges to people around you.

You may not be speaking out in a public meeting, but by just taking on this challenge, you can show other people that they can also make a difference. Living in our small communities, we all have to be role models, and we realize that the challenges around us are vast in regards to alcohol, drugs and the abuse that happens in our communities. Again, I would like to put out the challenge to our younger people in our communities to be role models and not for yourself, but for your younger brothers and sisters, so that you can make a difference. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 337-15(3): Community Services For Disabled Persons

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1077

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I talked about the people with disabilities in our small communities and larger centres. My question today is to the Minister of Health and Social Services . In larger centres, there are support groups and NGOs that provide services to disabled persons. The same cannot be said for small communities. Can the Minister of Health and Social Services tell me what services are available for disabled persons living in the smaller communities? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Minister of Health and Social Services , the Honourable Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have a territorial organization for people with disabilities. In the communities, we have social workers and health care staff that work in the communities to assist people. We also have people in Income Support that work with people with disabilities. I know in housing-built units, they make them disabled-friendly where that is required in terms of ramps and such.

I know when they designed the new seniors' units, they are all designed to be disabled-useful and friendly. We have, across government, a number of services that are available for people with disabilities. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the Minister listing off a number of services and programs available for people who are disabled in the smaller communities. Mr. Speaker, I understand that in some of the smaller communities, the staff is so limited and possibly so overworked that they have very little time to look after the needs of people who are disabled. Can the Minister tell me specifically as to how much time is given to the people who are disabled by the Health and Social Services staff? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the amount of time is obviously going to be dealt with on a case-by-case and need basis. There is no set formula that indicates an amount of time for specific concerns or issues or problems. So there are also the efforts that are going to continue on in terms of trying to expand the homecare services that are available to assist people to stay in their homes longer and more comfortably, but there is no set formula that dictates any given time. It is based on individual case need. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to hear that the homecare services will be expanded and looked at in the small communities. Can the Minister tell me what funding is available to local governments and NGOs that deliver programs and services to disabled persons at the smaller community level? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that is a fairly broad question. If it is to deal with house construction, if it is to deal with actual program delivery, if it is to deal with specific client concern in the school, all would have access to different funding arrangements, different funding pots that may exist. There is also federal government money that may be available to do with the disabled as well. So there is a range of funding agencies out there that could be accessed by the community depending on what the particular circumstance is. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Your final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister tell me whether the recent review of the disabled services in the Northwest Territories investigated the delivery of services at the community level? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there was a strategy that was done, an action plan for persons with disabilities, and the response has been worked on by the government across departments that are involved in education, health, housing and MACA. That response has been built into the various business plans of the departments. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 338-15(3): Government Consumption Of Fuels And Power

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1078

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise again with questions to the Minister responsible for FMBS with regard to my Member's statement today as well as my Member's statement yesterday that was made with regards to my concerns of the consumption of fuels and power with the Northwest Territories government. Mr. Speaker, I would like to hear today in the context of reasonability, what is this government doing to monitor fuel and power consumption of our government assets; that would be buildings, cars, etcetera? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for FMBS, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I stated in response to the Member's questions, overall, each government department has a different role to play. One is to look at their own assets and see if they are making proper use of them. As well, we do have a number of programs that are out there to help support individuals with the impact of the high cost of power, as well as the Seniors' Fuel Subsidy Program. So, Mr. Speaker, there are a number of things that go on, but I could not give the Member a specific example, for example, the Department of Health may be doing around its consumption of heating fuels.

There have been initiatives undertaken to try and lower the cost of O and M. As I stated yesterday, through the normal budgetary exercise, as departments come forward, when they come forward for items around forced growth, we send it back to them and ask for further substantiation on some initiatives that are out there and try to ensure that they are making

the best use of the resources that are provided to them. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I won't go to the length of yesterday's transcripts, but I will refer to pages 2380, 2381, 2382, and 2383. I will just paraphrase to put it all together. The Minister spoke about departments consulting with RWED, the Department of Housing. He talked about on an annual basis. Some of these problems we can't build into a budget exercise, anticipated costs, operational things are being done. We realize that there are going to be some impacts, but to mitigate them, we have to work forward at the time with real bills. Mr.

Speaker, I am basically talking about the fact that we could be doing things. Yesterday I said let's be proactive. Let's get a directive from this department, from this Minister, about turning down the lights. These are things we can do. Engage the Arctic Energy Alliance and say come up with a five-point plan. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . I didn't hear a question there, Mr. Hawkins . Do you want to rephrase that and ask a question? Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could this government engage the Arctic Energy Alliance in getting something like a five-point plan on simple steps we can do, because we need to personalize this problem? We need to pitch in.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is a question I believe should be more appropriately directed to the Minister of RWED . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the Member is referring specifically to our ability to reject the costs that it will have internally for our own GNWT assets. We do have a program that the Minister of Finance referred to yesterday, the Energy Conservation Program. This program does provide financial assistance to territorial and community-funded departments, boards, agencies, non-profits, to undertake capital projects that will result in long-term reductions in the usage of electricity, heat, energy, water, et cetera. I think it is a very good program. There are a number of examples that have been funded and are usually funded in partnership.

The organization has to come forward with some equity as well, but in the areas of lighting, space heating, ventilation, and issues to deal with building envelope, the servicing of water, electrical systems, I think there have been many good initiatives. The goal here is to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels and to make sure we are doing things as efficiently as we possibly can. I think the Member has already indicated that we have a very difficult time projecting what the cost of fuel will be. One thing we know for sure is if we can lessen our reliance on it, Mr. Speaker, we are in better shape, and we are aiming to do that. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If all three Ministers are going to be dealing with this, maybe I will send my next question to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, I am not sure if we just continue to direct it to the Minister of Finance or what. I look for direction, but I will direct it to the Minister of Finance and allow you to redirect it as appropriate. Mr. Speaker, we need to tighten our belts. That doesn't cost money. Mr. Speaker, it has been mentioned that we use the Arctic Energy Alliance and we have been. We fund them through our programs. We can do this. I am not talking about expensive renovations, Mr. Speaker.

Can the Minister of FMBS direct all departments to use Arctic Energy Alliance solutions to solve some of these crises? We can tighten our belts. It doesn't cost thousands of dollars; it costs just a little time and effort. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the support for the Arctic Energy Alliance. I think the Member makes a very good point. This is something that is funded by a couple of government departments and by the Power Corporation. I think there has been a lot of good work over the years and a lot of merit in continuing to work with this organization to find solutions, especially in the case of this organization, primarily on demand side issues. As a government, we recognize that we do need an energy plan, both for supply side and demand side issues. We will be moving that agenda forward.

I think the Arctic Energy Alliance can play a key role in this regard. We certainly look forward to the advice of the GED committee on issues that relate to energy and this conservation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what is the plan to deal with these increasing power bills and oil bills? Is it just to pay after the fact, or is there any plan to mitigate that potential significant bill that will be increased this year? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the Member knows, from the discussion at committee, that

the Power Corporation, for instance, has been working on issues related to hydro development and other renewable sources of energy. This is around the theme of trying to lessen our reliance on fossil fuels. In some regard, we are hostage in the short term to the crisis of oil. There is not a lot we can do in the very short run to lessen that reliance.

I think, as the Member heard yesterday, the Finance Minister has sent out a directive to departments to come forward to make sure that they update the projections because of the cost of oil which is very volatile, but to do their best to come forward with some understanding of the impact that this will have. We will have that discussion in Cabinet. We saw recently $55 a barrel for oil. It has come back a little bit to $50.

It dropped some $2 a barrel yesterday with the announcement on something that seems as fickle to us as an indication from China that they will be raising interest rates going forward to cool off their economy somewhat. I think this speaks to how interlinked and interwoven these issues are on a global basis. It's very difficult for us to influence the price of a barrel of oil but, as I've indicated earlier, we can do as much as possible to lessen our reliance. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Bell . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for Minister Roland with respect to the Territorial Power Support Program to offset the high cost of power in the communities that are on diesel generated power. Mr. Speaker, this program has been in place for a while now and it is an attempt to level the rates for the small communities. I believe for residential consumers it's to bring the rates down on the first 700 kilowatts of power consumed in a month, and for small business for the first 1,000 kilowatts of power used. Mr.

Speaker, I would like to know what the government has done to prepare and anticipate for there being a rise in the cost of this subsidy program in view of anticipated riders because of the high cost of fuel, if the government has built this into their financial plans. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister responsible for FMBS, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the area of the Territorial Power Support Program, as the Member stated, is to try to even out the cost of providing power to residents of the Northwest Territories, and we have, over the last number of years, been increasing the amount because of the growth and demand -- more houses out there as well as people in the North. We feel, however, initially when we put the plans together that there was no anticipation of such a jump in the price of oil, hopefully it will continue to come down somewhat.

A lot of it depends on when fuel was purchased and how that falls out in the next resupply and having that impact, and then we would have to look at making possible further adjustments.

For this year we have estimated that we would be fairly close to the previous year's targets. For example, in 2003-2004 the Territorial Power Support Program cost in the area of $7.2 million. That is something that we are concerned with, in earlier questions yesterday as well as today, about what can we do. It is fairly difficult to try to plan ahead if we are not sure, for example, a rate rider going forward will get approved. So that makes it a bit more difficult to try and project some of those changes. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with regard to the Territorial Power Support Program, as well, because the rate is already set, the consumption of subsidized power is set at 700 and 1,000, as I previously mentioned. Anything exceeding that is going to, if the rate for power goes up, impact residents and businesses quite significantly. I'm wondering if the Minister has given any contemplation to how we might address that. Has the Territorial Power Support Program been reviewed lately to find out if those are realistic levels; 700 and 1,000? When was the last time the Territorial Power Support Program was reviewed for adequacy? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Two questions there, Mr. Roland , you can answer one or both.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the work that we do on an annual basis in preparing for budgets and so on, we do look at the rates as they are and the impact that they would have, more for a budgeting process. I don't have information offhand as to when the actual work was done on looking at the 700 kilowatt hours per month or the 1,000 kilowatt for small business. We haven't done that work since we took office. It is something that we have to keep in mind; if we change those we also change the cost drivers in that. If it is something the Members of the House would like us to do a review on, we can look at doing that. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I think it would be a very good time to do a review of that. I don't think that the territorial power support program is adequate when it comes to the support for small business. We hear this from the small communities and, of course, this always precipitates discussion about a single-rate zone. Mr. Speaker, I have my own thoughts as to whether or not applying a single-rate zone is the solution to this problem. I think that there are other things that could be done. The one gap I recognize is with the small business support.

Could the Minister please indicate what that costs and what kind of uptake there is on that for small business? I think it is very inadequate, but what kind of uptake in cost is there? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the subsidy we have for small business is 1,000 kilowatt hours per month at the subsidized rate, but beyond that then it is full cost recovery in the sense of the rates themselves. We know that it's out there, it's an application-based program. I don't have the actual percentages right now, but it has been discussed and we know that it depends on the amount of income businesses have on an annual basis if they qualify or not. The uptake hasn't been as high and it fluctuates on a year-to-year basis, but I will get the information for the Member. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister commit to taking a look at this territorial power support program, perhaps even working with Members on this side of the House to address this? I think it's very timely right now, I think it's fairly safe to say that there are going to be some price riders coming into effect, and I think particularly we need to address the business support. I think that the cost of running a business in small communities is hindering economic development and I see this as a good solution. Will the Minister commit to coming forward with a process and a plan to review these subsidies? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think in the whole area of energy and the impacts on our government, this program is one of those that would be a good thing to sit down with Members of this Assembly and go through to see if there are changes that we can make within the fiscal environment we operate in as well. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . I just wanted to ask the Minister with regard to the federal northern strategy funding that came from DIAND earlier this year, at what stage is that funding in our system, so to speak, Mr. Speaker? Thank you very much.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to apologize, I would like some clarity from the Member. I am wondering if the Member is referring to the Northern Economic Development Strategy money, the $90 million that was referred to in the Throne speech. If that is the case, I can get into some detail. Thank you.

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Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. The Minister is absolutely correct; that was my reference in the question earlier.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is something that I have been having a fair amount of discussion on and the department has been working on for a number of months now with the DIAND officials. There is a Northern Development Ministers' meeting being held in Chibougamou, Quebec, right now that I wasn't able to attend because of session, but my deputy minister is there in attendance, working with the two Ministers from the other territories, Ministers Kenyon and Simailak. They are in agreement on several fundamental principles as to how this money should role out.

We have communicated those to the federal government, to the DIAND Minister and to Minister Ethel Blondin-Andrew who has responsibility for this program. The $90 million we feel there was some discussion about doing some funding announcements and trying to role out at least $10 million of that between the three territories this year. We've had further discussion, it's been taking awhile to get project approvals. I think we are at the point now where we would prefer to see us go forward April 1st with the whole $90 million, hold the $10 million this year.

It would be very difficult for us to spend that $10 million effectively before year end, so our preference would be to talk about a $90 million strategy next year.

In addition, we are not interested in new administrative mechanisms or regimes that would talk about and determine the rollout of this money. All three territories have economic development agencies that are more than capable of handling this money. We would like to see bilateral deals with the federal government and see us make the decisions on the programs as opposed to a policy committee in Ottawa.

So those are several of the things that we are discussing now and we are hoping that we will have an announcement from Minister Ethel Blondin-Andrew soon in this regard. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for providing an adequate breakdown of where we're at with the process. My other concern, Mr. Speaker, is that the priorities are northern priorities and not direction from Ottawa where to spend the funding that they have allocated for us, for this year or, indeed, if, as the Minister says, that we start allocating on April 1, 2005. I just want to get assurances from the Minister that any of the priorities will be priorities. Thank you.

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Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is certainly our position. The federal government had sought to, as I had mentioned, have a policy committee in Ottawa to determine which projects could qualify for this money. We don't feel that is adequate. We feel those decisions need to be made in the North. We are prepared to defer the $10 million that would need to be spent this year in a very quick manner, we don't think effectively, probably, and talk about the $90 million going forward. But that would be based on decisions made in the Northwest Territories for the Northwest Territories, and likewise for Nunavut and the Yukon.

I think the longer-term solution here is a northern economic development agency much the same as Western Economic Diversification or Atlantic Opportunities. We've been pushing that and the federal Minister, Minister Ethel Blondin-Andrew, certainly seems to like the idea as well. Having said that, we don't want to see this $90 million held up as we work towards the formalization of such an organization. So we think that a northern economic development agency is a long-term solution for the $90 million over the next few years. We want to see those decisions made in the respective territories. Thank you.

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Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I guess once we identify ourselves as say an economic development agreement or a similar type region, what typically happens with a lot of these agreements is that we offer low interest loans or even no interest loans to stimulate the businesses, Mr. Speaker. I was wondering if the Minister had had any thoughts towards that area in terms of this strategy, in terms of stimulating our regions and our businesses. Thank you very much.

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Yellowknife South

The delivery mechanism I think that we have in mind, should it be successful in getting through the House and getting support of Members, is the new BDIC which will have regionally-focused program delivery. Largely the mechanisms used to deliver economic development lending and programs in the regions now would be those going forward, at least initially. I think there will be some evolution and some progression there as regions and communities gain the capability to deliver the programming themselves.

But we think as a transition, it would make sense to keep the current mechanisms in place and our idea would be to see our $30 million, or whatever our percentage of this money, go through the BDIC and make sure the regions are involved. Those in fact are the people who have their ear to the ground and are working with people in communities and understand the needs in these communities. It would be my preference that those are the ones reviewing projects.

Low interest loans are certainly a very good idea. I think we are more likely to look at loans as compared to contributions or grants, because we can make and stretch loans farther, especially if we are able to partner with other federal agencies, with Aboriginal Business Canada, and make our money go further and help more people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to get clarification from the Minister. Did the Minister say that some of the money would be earmarked towards the business development centres in the regions? Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All this is predicated on us getting a successful agreement with the federal government. In the end, the $90 million is federal money and they could determine that there are strings to be attached or that there are criteria to be met. We have given them our preference and our suggestions; we think they are strong because the three territories are in agreement. We hope that they will see the merit in doing it in this manner.

At this point I don't have enough detail to tell the Member exactly the mechanism that we would use, other than to say if we get our hands on this money, the regions will certainly be involved in program delivery. It doesn't make any sense to have headquarters making determinations on the viability and validity of projects in the regions when they are not in fact there working with people on a day-to-day basis. So it will be regional program delivery, and I will certainly commit to that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of Health and Social Services , the Honourable Michael Miltenberger . I go back to my Member's statement when I spoke of coroner's jury recommendations on the fact that the Northwest Territories and the city of Yellowknife needs a medical detox facility. I don't know if the government and the Minister do not pay heed to coroner's juries or Regular Members, and I know it was an issue in the 14th Assembly and I know it's an issue in the 15th Assembly, Mr. Speaker.

I am wondering what it is going to take for the Minister of Health and Social Services and this government to get a dedicated detox facility in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, for the record, I would like to note clearly that we pay very close attention to the reports from the chief coroner, and in fact we respond in detail to all the recommendations that pertain to Health and Social Services, as I did on January 20, 2003, and July 14, 2003, in regards to the two inquests and the findings. Both those referenced medical detox. I welcome the debate in this House and hopefully outside of this House the discussion about addictions and the best way to deal with addictions. We have chartered off on a course of action through our Mental Health and Addictions Strategy.

With regard to the medical detox, given our planning, given our fiscal realities, we are working with the four facilities -- Stanton, Hay River, Inuvik and Fort Smith -- to identify the number of beds in each facility to do medical detox. Clearly, Stanton, with its superior level of capacity and capability, will be the one where other patients would come to after they are initially stabilized in other communities. So we do have some capacity and that has been the approach we have taken, as opposed to going ahead to build a standalone medical detox centre. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister how come the Northwest Territories does not have a withdrawal management unit currently in place and, Mr. Speaker, if I could, what specifically, if a person is addicted to crack cocaine, are their alternatives in seeking treatment in the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, as I indicated, we have capacity at Stanton to do medical detoxification for alcohol and drugs. That's what we have in place. It is not a formal withdrawal management unit but it is the capacity that we do have. There is also a social withdrawal program that is run through the Salvation Army and some local groups like Crack Busters that have started. If there is further more dedicated treatment, then we would be looking to southern jurisdictions if that is what is required, as we have done on a client-by-client basis so far. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister, when he talks of having a look at the facilities that are currently in place, what is his intention on getting a withdrawal management unit? To me, that only makes sense, Mr. Speaker, and I would like to ask the Minister, when is the withdrawal management unit going to be set up here so that addicts have somewhere to turn? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated in one of my previous answers, I welcome this debate and discussion. If there is a concern with the plan that was agreed to previously in terms of mental health and addictions, and there is a need to amend it after two years of having it in place, then I am prepared to look at that through the work with the Social Programs committee. As all the Members know, we have to plan around any kind of capital expenditures that may be decided on or agreed to and look at the capacity of the current facilities and the resources and the manpower.

So if there is a clear indication that we are looking for a change, then, as Minister of Health and Social Services , I am prepared to work with the committee and the communities and stakeholders to see where we can get the resources and try to adjust it. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the treatment centre in Yellowknife closed in 1999. It has been an issue since the closure of that treatment centre, Mr. Speaker. I know the Minister welcomes a debate, but this was brought up two, three and four years ago, and still the government hasn't addressed the need for a treatment centre. If there is a will on this side of the House, Mr. Speaker, to look at a treatment centre for Yellowknife, I am wondering if the Minister will be responsive and will see to that happening. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would argue that we have responded, maybe not to the Member's satisfaction or to the degree that he would think acceptable, but as we balance the many priorities, dementia units, shortage of housing, the fact that we have a budget that has to meet its fiscal targets that have been set by the Minister of FMBS, that we have responded. We responded in the best way we can with the resources we have. If there is an interest, as I have indicated, I am prepared to sit down and talk to the Members. I am prepared to talk to the

stakeholders and the communities and see what resources we could possibly reprofile or what case can be made for any kind of improvement in services, but we have made our best efforts, I believe. Thank you.

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question is also directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services with regards to the lack of medical detox facilities in Yellowknife and other communities. I just want to ask the Minister if he can tell us, the Members, and the public in general, in the five-year capital acquisition plan of the GNWT, going up to 2008 or 2009, there is approximately $60 million that is allocated for capital infrastructure requirements. That is not counting all this extra money that they are getting out of the federal government when the new health care reform comes through.

I am just wondering if the Minister would consider or why is he not considering putting a formal medical detox centre on the capital acquisition plan in the next five years. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am prepared to have that debate about the best approach, the numbers, the need, and is it the best course of action and the best investment to build a separate, standalone facility, or is it best to look at expanding the service at Stanton, and what is possible in Hay River, Inuvik and Fort Smith. The money that is allocated in the capital plan is clearly identified for urgent capital projects across the Northwest Territories. We have yet to find out the final numbers of what is available from the federal government for the new health care money.

When that comes in, of course, we will be considering this issue along with many others in terms of how to best spend whatever funds may be available. Thank you.

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure really what the Minister's sense of urgency is, but, to me, I think this is a very urgent matter, and I think it is something that should be a real priority for the Department of Health on healing facilities and treatment programs that are available to residents, especially residents of Yellowknife that already have a large influx of people coming in all the time every year and the population is steadily growing.

With regard to one of the facilities that does offer some kind of assistance to people who are looking for treatment for their addictions, there is the Salvation Army. I know that the clients who are treated over there are treated through referrals by corrections services and the self-admitted people who are going there for treatment on their own is double that, but there is no funding allocated for that and there is no funding provided by this government for the self-admitting program.

I was just wondering if the Minister could let me know and the other Members and the public know why, if he is looking at outside sources of treatment and not a standalone system, why doesn't the government provide more funding, or any funding for that matter, for that program. Thank you.

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